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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-05-02

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00:50<shadows>what configuration is suggested for tablets that have no keyboard?
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04:15<anon25>Hi
04:16<anon25>I can't find package postgresql-9.1 in Jessie
04:16<shadows>anon25: 9.4?
04:17<shadows>or do you need specifically 9.1
04:17<anon25>I need 9.1 to migrate data to 9.4
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04:19<shadows>https://packages.debian.org/source/jessie/postgresql-9.1
04:21<anon25>ok, only the source available
04:21<anon25>thanks
04:22<shadows>easy enough to build if you know the routine
04:22<shadows>pbuilder build yaddayadda.dsc
04:22<anon25>ok, will try
04:23<shadows>anon25: what arch?
04:23<shadows>amd64?
04:23<anon25>amd64
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04:24<shadows>yeah I have that kind of setup here. It takes maybe 20 minutes and a beer for an idiot like me to figure out how to make pbuilder go
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04:25<shadows>the rest is type a command and it does all the work for dependencies and everything for you
04:26<anon25>ok
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04:45<luckyuser>SempliceLive
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05:12<anon25>shadows: ahah after compiling package I got... postgresql-plperl-9.1.deb !
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05:30<shadows>huh
05:30<shadows>that's it?
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05:38<EmleyMoor>Anyone ever seen a problem with courier-imap-ssl not starting, due to not finding /var/run/courier/imapd-ssl.pid.lock, but courier-imap not being similarly affected?
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05:51<maestro>hallo
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05:51<maestro>I want to change the format of my clock and I don't find the way
05:52<maestro>I want the clock to appear like this: 20150502 115200
05:52<caz>wich clock you use?
05:52<maestro>Have no clue
05:52<maestro>caz
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05:53<maestro>In wheezy I had to edit the file /usr/share/gnome-shell/ui/js/dateMenu.js
05:53<caz>click right on your clock and propryety
05:53<maestro>or something like that
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05:53<caz>ok
05:53<maestro>No, there's nothing to find regarding changing the time date format
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05:54<maestro>So, I'd like to know which file should I edit in this new gnome3.16
05:54<caz>sudo vim /usr/share/gnome-shell/js/ui/dateMenu.js
05:55<maestro>yes, that was the file I had to edit in Wheezy
05:55<caz>a ok
05:55<caz>you'r in jessie
05:55<maestro>In Jessie that file is not ther
05:55<maestro>e
05:55<maestro>yes
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05:56<caz>then i don't know sorry, I use XFCE now
05:56<maestro>Thank you caz
05:56<maestro>I'll keep asking
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05:56<maestro>Maybe somebody knows it...
05:58<caz>I looking on the web, but I supposed it's to recent for have an answer
05:58<caz>not "recent" early *
06:03<caz>maestro, https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/617/fixclock/ I don't know, if it's work on 3.16 and if this is good thing. I prefere the way to edit file directly, but maybe this can be a solution for one moment
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06:05<caz>and gnome-tweak-tool can't help you?
06:05<caz>https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/795/format-clock/
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06:15<fLoo>anyone has an idea why bridge-utils under fresh jessie are messing up the routing table ?
06:15<fLoo>i've got br0 and the default route still tries to route via eth0
06:15<fLoo>eth0 is not configured at all
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06:16<fLoo>also eth0 gets started up with the exact same ip as br0 does (in wheezy eth0 got started without ip)
06:16<fLoo>why is this ?
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06:27<valdyn>fLoo: bridge-utils does not do that afaict, this comes from networking scripts, show your interfaces file
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06:30<[UP]Crystal>"Search Google for this image" does not work in Chromium on Jessie. Is someone face the same problem ?
06:30<fLoo> http://paste.debian.net/170728/
06:33<[UP]Crystal>Disregard, seems like a known but in Chromium. -->> http://goo.gl/F2eWSW
06:33<[UP]Crystal>*bug
06:35<valdyn>fLoo: have you rebooted with that config?
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06:35<fLoo>yes
06:35<fLoo>here is my bugreport https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=783956
06:35<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/783956 in bridge-utils (open): «Debian Jessie / Bridge-Utils»; severity: normal; opened: 2015-05-01; last modified: 2015-05-01.
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06:39<valdyn>fLoo: quite interesting, i have 5 systems with bridge, none of which show us
06:40<fLoo>upgraded or fresh install ?
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06:41<valdyn>fLoo: sid and upgraded and the 5th is fresh but also uses systemd-networkd, not ifupdown
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06:41<fLoo>well i use fresh install without systemd network config
06:42<fLoo>that produces the shown error
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07:08<valdyn>fLoo: please run "systemctl list-units | grep ifup"
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07:13<gabriel_>Hi, yesterday I upgraded from jessie, I had a problem with the fstab file. Now a lot of files are mising
07:14<gabriel_>one of my hdds is with really old files
07:14<gabriel_>what could happend?
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07:18<svetlana>from jessie to what?
07:18<gabriel_>I mean from wheezy to jessie
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07:27<EmleyMoor>I'm also trying to enable vino on this machine - I call up the screen sharing dialog, but the switch at the top left will not stay "ON"...
07:28<EmleyMoor>Does this require that I let network-manager manage my network interface?
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07:39<DrZaius>my computer fails to boot. it says with some moving red stars at the left: "a start job is running for LSB: Basic SELinux management (6min / no limit)"
07:40<DrZaius>i cant even loggin... can anybody help me?
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07:52<debiandeb>Is it possible to report bugs through here?
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07:53<DrZaius>debiandeb: no, but you can use reportbug
07:53<DrZaius>(the program)
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07:58<debiandeb>DrZaius: how can you see if your bug has been added to the list of bugs? can you see it in any url?
07:59<DrZaius>debiandeb: after you enter the package name, it will show you the bugs for that package and you can search there
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07:59<DrZaius>or you can see it on the web, yes... bug.debian.org/packagename
07:59<DrZaius>bugs*
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08:00<debiandeb>DrZaius: and if the bug is not specific to a packet? for instance, a but in a cd image
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08:01<DrZaius>theres is a bunch of psedo-packages
08:02<DrZaius>https://www.debian.org/Bugs/pseudo-packages
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08:05<TomasCZ>Hello, long term user of debian, helper for teamspeak3 question: on Jessie client crashes(segfault) quite often. Putting quality of it aside, I see couple things. Client was almost running fine on 32bit upgraded to jessie.
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08:13<DrZaius>other than debugging it and reporting bug...
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08:15<TomasCZ>http://paste.debian.net/170752/
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08:17<TomasCZ>DrZaius, yea I guess, just first asking if anything comes to mind when looking at it. Now system is clean 64bit jessie where I have trouble. Also on old OS I had grandr installed, in new only arandr is available.
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08:18<DrZaius>TomasCZ: i cant do much... check the package bugs and report them if they have not been reported
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08:19<TomasCZ>Since I'm around ts3 for some time, my bet is that it is ts3 to blame. Just asking if something obvious is missing from libs side of things. Also as symptoms nothing from keyboard can be used with ts3. I can't type or use shortcuts with it.
08:22<TomasCZ>DrZaius, thanks, I'll wait if someone doesn't post anything and then head towards reporting. Haven't seen anything like this reported tbw.
08:22<DrZaius>if its not happening to many people, i would try removing configurations or starting the program with a new user
08:22<DrZaius>maybe it is something of your own configuration
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08:28<TomasCZ>DrZaius, Tried, can't confirm that.
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08:48<Xylon>is there a channel for oldstable questions?
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08:48<adries>bom dia
08:49<Xylon>I find it surprising that nginx is in /usr/sbin
08:51<mgv>Xylon: would you expect a regular user to run nginx?
08:51<Xylon>Hm I dunno
08:51<mgv>/usr/sbin/ is for things that only root uses, and daemons such as nginx fit here as they are typically only run via init scripts
08:52<Xylon>I'm writing a daemon in python and I'm wondering where will be the best place to put all it's files.
08:52<Xylon>it would be a mess to put them in /usr/bin or /usr/sbin
08:52<Xylon>maybe /usr/lib?
08:52<mgv>put them in /usr/local/ under the appropriate subdirectories
08:52<svetlana>mgv++
08:53<Xylon>ah, OK, thanyou :)
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08:53<mgv>you're welcome
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08:58<mgv>Xylon: I don't know about Python, but in Perl you would create a Perl distribution that you can install with perl Makefile.PL && make && sudo make install, and this will install everything in the appropriate places (/usr/local/bin /usr/local/man /usr/local/share/perl). Surely python does this too with their distributions
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08:59<mgv>so you should probably create a python distribution and install it just like you would install any other python distribution. the installer will know where to put the files
09:00<Xylon>hm, yes, I guess I skimmed over those parts of my python book when I was first learning
09:00<Xylon>wanted to get into the code
09:00<Xylon>I will research this
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09:01<mgv>a web search for 'python packaging' found this, maybe it helps: https://packaging.python.org/en/latest/
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09:02<Xylon>Ah, yes, this will be perfect!
09:02<Xylon>thankyou!
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09:51<radjo>please help
09:52<lostatwork>!ask
09:52<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
09:52<radjo>i have this laptop
09:52<radjo>http://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/19/product-support/product/inspiron-15-7537/drivers
09:52<radjo>and after installation debian 8
09:53<radjo>network doesn't work
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09:53<radjo>i don't know how to setup network
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09:54<radjo>because that realtek card
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09:54<EmleyMoor>Please stop using Enter/Return so often - it makes your messages difficult to follow.
09:55<EmleyMoor>So... it's a Realtek card -s
09:56<EmleyMoor>... do you know which one?
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09:57<radjo>i don't know really, on dell supoport site i found my laptop and find it's Realtek RTL8411B-US
09:57<radjo>driver
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09:59<EmleyMoor>It's the same driver as the 8111
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10:01<radjo>how to install that driver because i doesn't have connection on my laptop
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10:03<peter1138>Hmm, doing dist-upgrade to jessie, it has hung on starting distcc
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10:04<peter1138>Continues if I kill off distccd
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10:13<dixsonhoepp>Buenas, alguien sabe como instalar wine en debian 8 64 bit
10:14<EmleyMoor>!es
10:14<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
10:16<dixsonhoepp>Gracias
10:16<radjo>great :D my wifi working now and now all is simple :D :D :D
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10:26<dixsonhoepp>as I install wine on debian 64 bit?
10:27<dixsonhoepp>debian 8
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10:28<dixsonhoepp>as I install wine on debian 64 bit?
10:28<dixsonhoepp>debian 8
10:29<OldOneEye>hi, i need help finding and installing my ati raedon hd 5650 driver
10:30<mtn>dixsonhoepp: https://wiki.debian.org/RunningWindowsPrograms
10:30<mtn>OldOneEye: tried the debian wiki yet?
10:31<OldOneEye>yes i tried google
10:32<mtn>OldOneEye: debian wiki does not equal google ;)
10:32<OldOneEye>i tried
10:32<OldOneEye>im not that newb
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10:36<martingale>OldOneEye, just so we can help you the best we can, what problem are you having that you think that driver will solve?
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10:37<xxavi>hi
10:37<OldOneEye>i checked my graphic in system about and its a wrong video driver
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10:38<martingale>xxavi, hi, what can we help you with?
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10:38<OldOneEye>Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 0x209) tats wat i got instead of radeon
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10:38<martingale>I don't think radeon makes open source drivers
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10:39<xxavi>martingale: yes, I'm running Jessie, it when change to sleep (in KDE) mode; it's freezy ...
10:39<martingale>oldlaptop, are you sure gallium isn't just the open source reverse engineered version of the driver you want?
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10:39<kiwi`>is this the correct image if i want the latest live cd of debian: http://mirror.netcologne.de/debian-cdimages/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/debian-live-8.0.0-i386-gnome-desktop.iso
10:39<xxavi>martingale: how can I debug this issue ?
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10:40<martingale>kiwi`, I would recommend using the net install if you have a good connection
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10:40<OldOneEye>yeh go for net install
10:40<kiwi`>link to the netinstall anyone?
10:40<martingale>xxavi, i've never used KDE so I don't know how much help i'll be on that subject
10:40<martingale>https://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/
10:40<xxavi>martingale: ah, ok, thanks anyway
10:41<martingale>kiwi`, for 64bit, use amd64, for 32bit use i386.
10:42<martingale>xxavi, how do you change to sleep mode? is it through a kde menu?
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10:45<xxavi>martingale: I don't change, KDE change automacally
10:45<OldOneEye>any help?
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10:46<martingale>OldOneEye, you never responded to my earlier question
10:47<martingale>xxavi, are you looking to disable the auto sleep?
10:48<OldOneEye>???
10:48<OldOneEye>i answered
10:48<martingale>oldlaptop, i asked "are you sure gallium isn't just the open source reverse engineered version of the driver you want"
10:49<martingale>the only responses i got from you were "yeh go for net install" (unrelated) and "any help?"
10:50<OldOneEye><OldOneEye> Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 0x209) tats wat i got instead of radeon
10:50<martingale>OldOneEye, yes I see that, i asked another question after that
10:50<mtn>heh
10:51<OldOneEye>u didnt ask a question
10:51<valdyn>OldOneEye: is libgl1-mesa-dri installed?
10:51<martingale>oldlaptop, i asked "are you sure gallium isn't just the open source reverse engineered version of the driver you want"
10:51<OldOneEye>oh im not sure
10:51<martingale>(granted i forgot the question mark)
10:51<OldOneEye>how can i check?
10:51<valdyn>martingale: llvmpipe is the gallium cpu rendering, not gpu
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10:52<martingale>valdyn, thanks that's what i needed to know
10:52<OldOneEye>yeh it should be radeon hd 5650
10:52<valdyn>OldOneEye: apt-get install libgl1-mesa-dri
10:52<OldOneEye>in the past i didnt need help wen reinstalling this laptop, now i find nothing on google and wiki
10:53<OldOneEye>ok one sec
10:53<OldOneEye>its already installed
10:54<valdyn>OldOneEye: show us your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
10:54<martingale>oldlaptop, not sure if this is what you want, but do you have the package "xserver-xorg-video-radeon" installed?
10:54<OldOneEye>in query?
10:54<valdyn>!paste
10:54<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
10:56<martingale>OldOneEye, your problem may also be answered in https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo
10:57<valdyn>ah, the firmware
10:57<martingale>in my experience, firmware-linux-nonfree solves many hardware problems
10:57<valdyn>yea, its easy to forget about it
10:57<valdyn>nothing pulls that one...
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10:59<OldOneEye>ok thanx need to restart brb
11:00<martingale>OldOneEye, make sure to let us know if it fixed the problem
11:00<OldOneEye>ok thanx brb
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11:04<OldOneEye>get i test 3d and opengl?
11:05<OldOneEye>looks fine
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11:05<OldOneEye>Gallium 0.4 on AMD REDWOOD tats wats there now
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12:00<stegbth>hi everybody
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12:01<stegbth>i upgrade a xen dom0 and domU from Wheezy to jessie
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12:02<stegbth>first i can't start the DomU via pygrup anymore, now i started with debian kernel vom Dom0, now OpenVPN in DomU doesn't answer any requests any more
12:02<stegbth>i see incoming packets but very seldom outgoung (with tcpdump)
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12:03<stegbth>but i don't see any error in kern.log or messages
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12:08<jake_>What happened to the Alternatives Desktop Environments option on the Debian netinst image?
12:09<mtn>jake_: I think it is now in tasksel. makes it even easier
12:09<muep>at least when I just installed jessie, the installer had many DEs available at the tasksel step
12:09<jake_>mtn: So it asks, GNOME, KDE, LXDE, Xfce there?
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12:10<mtn>jake_: gives you the options, yes\
12:10<jake_>What options are there? Is MATE or Cinnamon there, because they are now in the official repos?
12:11<mtn>jake_: yes I think so. why not go look?
12:11<jake_>I will
12:12<jake_>Is MATE is there, that's fantastico
12:13<jake_>Wouldn't it be nice if the installer asked you if you wanted to use systemd or sysvinit?
12:13<jake_>Or would that complicate things too much?
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12:16<peter1138>Urgh, gdm3 won't start ;(
12:16<mtn>jake_: apparently the devs didn't see any use for it ;)
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12:16<jake_>mtn: Why? Do they just... want everyone to use systemd?
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12:17<jake_>:O
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12:18<jake_>That would be nice, choose systemd or sysvinit, and through popularity-contest, if sysvinit is the most popular, they use it as default, and if systemd is the most popular, they use systemd as default.
12:18<mtn>jake_: there is an option to switch to sysvinit, but systemd is the official init system in debian.
12:18<SynrG>jake_: no. it was deemed sufficient to mention it in the release notes.
12:18<SynrG>jake_: which are quite clear how to install without systemd
12:18<jake_>mtn: Oh, I know, of course, but it would be nice.
12:19<jake_>SynrG: I know, I know
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12:19<SynrG>it's just going to confuse users to give them a choice here
12:19<SynrG>people think "but more choices is always good" and they're wrong. additional choices when most people are ignorant of the difference just causes more support headaches
12:19<jake_>SynrG: "It's going to confuse users"? I'm not sure anyone needs Ubuntu-tier users.
12:19<SynrG>no. more subtle than that
12:20<mtn>SynrG: simplicity is good
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12:20<SynrG>"it's going to drag down the whole project, increasing the cost of support with no tangible benefit overall"
12:20<mtn>SynrG: sorry, wasn't really meant for you :P
12:20<jake_>We don't want to dumb down users, Debian already supports GNOME as default.
12:20<SynrG>this isn't about dumbing down
12:20<SynrG>look, it's in the release notes. it wouldn't be there at all if we thought we had dumb users
12:20<jake_>It would only be temporary.
12:21<jake_>So you can see what the default would be next release.
12:21<SynrG>the only dumb users are the ones who don't read the release notes and then rail out at us afterwards about the lack of an option. then insist "but nobody reads release notes" to justify themselves
12:21<SynrG>and i've had my fill of those this week
12:21<jake_>SynrG: What are you implying? :) I did read them, fag
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12:21<SynrG>this isn't the forum to discuss improvements to debian
12:22<mtn>or for insults
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12:23<SynrG>or for homophobic slurs
12:23<jake_>It would be used, not as a long-term solution, but to see if users would install systemd on it's own merit rather than because it was included with their distro.
12:23<SynrG>jake_: look, you said "dumb down". i wasn't meaning specifically to insult you by repeating this word
12:23<jake_>I know
12:24<SynrG>i'm talking about installing debian intelligently
12:24<jake_>I'm not insulted
12:24<SynrG>debian treats its users as intelligent by writing release notes explaining how (for those who care) to install or upgrade without systemd.
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12:24<GoGi>when exactly does dist-upgrade remove packages?
12:24<SynrG>i think that's quite sufficient. an option is just going to equip those who honestly don't know the difference or care with a way to shoot themselves in the foot
12:25<jake_>Those who don't know nor care should be using another distro
12:25<SynrG>in your opinion. one i don't share.
12:25<SynrG>so you think debian should only be for elitists?
12:25<jake_>Okay, but most people know what init system they like by now, right?
12:26<SynrG>most people in your social circles, perhaps. don't presume that represents the whole world of debian users.
12:26<jake_>Then there could be a writeup about relative merits and disadvantages
12:26<SynrG>we should do one of two things: take it to PM, or drop it. this is way OT for support
12:27<jake_>It's just an idea
12:27<SynrG>sure. an idea discussed to death on debian-devel mailing list before the release
12:27<jake_>The "don't give users choices" is a dangerous outlook. That's why we have GNOME 3.
12:27<SynrG>no need to rehash all the old ideas here and now
12:27<jake_>SynrG: Really? I didn't know
12:27<jake_>I didn't know it was already talked about
12:27<SynrG>i didn't say that. "don't give users choices where doing so would do more harm than good".
12:27<SynrG>it was.
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12:28<SynrG>so. end it? there are people here needing support
12:28<jake_>SynrG: Well then, maybe it's a good idea ;)
12:28<SynrG>read the prior discussion and you be the judge.
12:28<jake_>Link or sholud I just Google?
12:29<SynrG>search lists.debian.org/debian-devel ... i'm sorry, i don't have a link
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12:29<SynrG>to specific threads, that is
12:29<SynrG>also the BTS (bugs.debian.org)
12:29<sney>there was also one on bugs.debian.org that paultag.. yes
12:29<SynrG>but i think debian-devel discussion links to that bug
12:29<SynrG>may be easier to find it through the list
12:29<muep>there have been literally dozens threads with hundreds of messages in them
12:30<SynrG>yeah. sorry i can't be more help there
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12:31<jake_>I don't see it
12:31<jake_>What was the topic/subject?
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12:32<jake_>Did you see Russell Coker's Anti-Systemd People post? Man, what a cuck
12:32<sney>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=727708 this is the bts one. for -devel, just search by roughly the same date as subjects will vary
12:32<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/727708 in tech-ctte (closed): «tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.»; severity: normal; opened: 2013-10-25; last modified: 2014-05-06.
12:32<jake_>Thanks
12:32<sney>and please keep non-support questions out of #debian in the future.
12:33<jake_>sney: Okay, sorry
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12:33<SynrG>also relevant is http://bugs.debian.org/762194
12:33<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/762194 in tech-ctte (closed): «Automatic switch to systemd on wheezy->jessie upgrades»; severity: important; opened: 2014-09-19; last modified: 2015-04-15.
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12:34<SynrG>there are references to that about the installer. sorry, i don't have a separate bug against the installer. don't know if one was filed
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12:35<jake_>SynrG: Well, thanks
12:36<jake_>Here: "I wish for a menu entry in the advanced part of the installer to be able to install a new system with sysvinit-core or upstart!"
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12:37<lostatwork>well you are not going to get it
12:37<jake_>Mah nigga, that's what I said
12:37<jake_>lostatwork: Okay, okay
12:37<jake_>What was the reasoning against it?
12:37<jake_>Just the confused users one?
12:38<jake_>Oh, I see
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12:38<SynrG>... counting from ten ... remember the part where i said this needs to go to PM or /dev/null?
12:38<SynrG>i don't want to have to enforce that
12:38<jake_>"Yes, debian installer is frozen."
12:38<jake_>SynrG: I thought this was general debian discussion
12:38<SynrGy>no. it's support. and this is not a support question
12:38<SynrGy>it's a development question
12:39<jake_>SynrGy: Okay, okay, is there a #debian-questionsthatpeopleondebiandontwantthere
12:39<SynrGy>also, since the release has already gone out, it would have to be development for stretch.
12:39<jake_>SynrGy: It's already done.
12:39<SynrGy>normally #debian-offtopic, but they're thoroughly sick of it
12:39<jake_>Not strech, but systemd
12:40<jake_>SynrGy: Okay, I'll drop it
12:40<jake_>I missed all the drama, I guess
12:40<sney>quite.
12:41<jake_>Nice B)
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12:47<jake_>This is a REAL support question: If I install without systemd, will init scripts be installed with packages or just systemd unit files? Will I have to spend more time writing scripts myself?
12:47<muep>my impression is that most packages that ship systemd services will also ship init scripts
12:48<jake_>That's good, and the scripts are still being maintained?
12:48<jake_>Is it the same for e.g., runit? I like runit better.
12:48<jake_>SysVinit was never very good
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12:50<SynrGy>the cost to developers of supporting multiple init systems is a real concern. in this release, some compatibility packages exist to reduce the development burden, while continuing to support those different users who make that choice. my advice here is "try it and see". i suspect things will more or less be as easy as it was in wheezy to run whichever your preferred init system is. and maybe even easier now
12:50<SynrGy>.
12:50<sney>sysvinit scripts are no longer being maintained actively, iirc, but that's not a standard that changes very often (or at all) so they should continue to Just Work with sysv as long as both are available
12:50<jake_>SynrGy: Fabulous
12:50<muep>I guess the init script maintenance activity likely depends a bit on how interested their respective maintainers are in doing that kind of work. likely at least known fixes to bugs will get applied
12:50<SynrGy>we're too new into this territory to know how much it will change in future
12:50<jake_>sney: All right!
12:50<SynrGy>no crystal balls, either
12:51<jake_>muep: Yes, I suppose.
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12:54<jake_>Well, this is nice to know if I ever want to use Debian, but I never liked it too much anyway.
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13:31<diego>my system fails to boot up correctly. dmesg points out that I have problems because /usr is in another partition and it is not mounted... i see this link but I''m lost. http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/separate-usr-is-broken/
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13:42<valdyn>diego: why lost? Cant get rid of seperate /usr ?
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13:49<diego>after jessie dist upgrade was carried, my debian doesn't boot up properly, LVM2 partitions don't get mounted. help
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13:56<EmleyMoor>diego: What kind of filesystems are on them?
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13:59<valdyn>diego: when the system fails, do you get the busybox rescue shell?
13:59<diego>EmleyMoor: http://paste.debian.net/170848/
14:00<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... ext4 shouldn't be a problem...
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14:01<diego>I saw something weird during startup
14:01<valdyn>some people remove lvm2 when upgrading to jessie
14:01<diego>I can send my dmseg
14:01<petn-randall>diego: Did you check the release notes before upgrading? https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#initramfs-tools-issues
14:01<valdyn>diego: boot up, tell me if you are getting into the rescue shell
14:02<diego>It did, I set the nofail and I get a regular login screen but my regular user "diego" has no home
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14:03<valdyn>diego: anything else not mounted?
14:03<petn-randall>If it boots far enough for a login prompt, /usr is mounted fine ...
14:03<diego>then I run su, execute vgchange -a y, getting all my partitinos up
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14:04<diego>petn-randall, not really as I can asure ... when i do login the /home is empty
14:04<diego>after vchange they are mounted
14:05<petn-randall>diego: I didn't talk about /home, I talked about /usr.
14:05<diego>then I configure my nic and I'm able to ssh to my laptop that is how I get the info for you to see
14:06<valdyn>diego: you need to answer questions to get help
14:06<diego>rebooting in order to check so
14:06<valdyn>why reboot..
14:06<valdyn>"df"
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14:08<diego>this is my dmesg http://paste.debian.net/170850/
14:08<diego>valdyn I did already su and vgchange -a y... and that mounts the lvm2
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14:10<valdyn>diego: thats not mounting
14:10<valdyn>diego: thats also not what i asked
14:11<valdyn>diego: you can run "df" to see what is mounted
14:11<diego>df says: /dev/mapper/Rubidio-root..... mounted on /
14:12<diego>udev on /dev
14:12<diego>tmpfs on /run
14:12<diego>tmpfs on /dev/shm
14:12<diego>tmpfs on /run/lock
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14:12<diego>tmpfs on /sys/fs/cgroup
14:13<diego>/dev/sda2 on /boot
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14:13<diego>/dev/sda1 on /boot/efi
14:13<diego>and that is all
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14:13<diego>ls /usr returns nothing
14:14<diego>as i said first I login as diego, then i run su, later I run vgchange -a y
14:15<OldOneEye>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CspcIm7NodE <--- Russia's Hybrid War Campaign: Implications for Ukraine and Beyond
14:16<OldOneEye>sry
14:16<OldOneEye>i didnt know tat would paste over all servers im on
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14:17<diego>I read "Configuration setting "activation/thin_check_executable" unknown" and then / logical volume(s) in volume group "Rubidio" now active
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14:18<diego>and suddenly some system.fsck[778]:/dev/mapper/Rubidio-usr: clean,....
14:18<diego>home var and git
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14:21<diego>petn-randall, I'm reading that link
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14:25<diego>It says that I should not use UUID but /dev/mapper/vg-lv... as I do http://paste.debian.net/170848/
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14:26<diego>I'm baffled
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14:30<valdyn>diego: the first vgchange -ay by your system is failing, as soon as you vgchange -ay manually the dependent jobs continue in same way
14:32<valdyn>diego: what is backing the volume group? a single partition on a single disk?
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14:36<diego>valdyn: I have 2 hard disks and the partitions run across both as i can remember
14:36<diego>at some point i run out of space so I had to
14:37<diego>I'm not quite sure if I understood your question. did I answer you fine?
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14:41<valdyn>diego: yes, that might explain why / mounts but most partitions do not
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14:42<diego>ouch I used lvm2 just cause i could spand through several hd as needed
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14:44<diego>well I'm stuck
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14:50<valdyn>diego: i have no good idea how to solve this. Try adding "rootdelay=5" to your kernel line in grub when booting
14:51<valdyn>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=715184
14:51<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/715184 in lvm2 (open, confirmed, d-i, patch, squeeze): «lvm2: fails to boot with root on lvm, as wait loop for slow disk is too late»; severity: important; opened: 2013-07-06; last modified: 2014-09-06.
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14:51<valdyn>thats probably basically your problem, except in your case it doesnt hit / but the other filesystems
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15:06<diego>back
15:06<diego>valdyn: what do you suggest?
15:07<diego>I see Configuration setting "activation/thin_check_executable" unknown. during startup
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15:26<SuperMiguel>Hello im having an issue with wireless and debian :) i have a intel 6205 wireless card and i have loaded the firmware-iwlwifi, then i loaded wicd but it keeps saying no wireless networks found, but running iwlist scan shows a bunch of wireless AP, any ideas?
15:28<sney>is the wicd daemon running?
15:28<SuperMiguel>no it was a stupid fix, just added wlan0 to the preferences
15:28<SuperMiguel>i guess it is not there by default
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15:35<sney>also if the interface is mentioned in /etc/network/interfaces, other network tools will ignore it by default
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15:37<diego>what does it mean systemd-sysv-generator[142]: [/etc/init.d/root-systemproofd:13] ignoring: Invalid argument ??
15:38<sney>means there's something on line 13 of /etc/init.d/root-systemproofd that systemd doesn't like
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15:41<diego>does it take into acount commented lines??? INIT INFO is bigger than 13 lines and is commented
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15:43<sney>those aren't really comments, they're LSB stuff.
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15:46<diego>well I dont see then what is wrong here: # Should-Stop: $network, root-file-server
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15:47<sney>is there an actual problem or were you just wondering what that message means?
15:48<peter1138>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=766028 boo :(
15:48<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/766028 in src:nvidia-graphics-drivers (open): «causes segfaults in wine compiled with bindnow»; severity: important; opened: 2014-10-20; last modified: 2014-12-29.
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15:49<diego>sney: i do have one, yes. Can I pm'
15:49<bltzfsck>is there a channel on this server for raspbian-specific discussion?
15:49<sney>diego: no, keep support questions in the channel.
15:49<sney>bltzfsck: it's on freenode. #raspbian and #raspberrypi both cover it
15:50<bltzfsck>sney: thanks much
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15:52<diego>here I go again. I did upgrade my distro to jessie. now my debian boots up wrong. I have this fstab http://paste.debian.net/170848/ and this is my dmesg http://paste.debian.net/170850/ I don't know why my LVM partitions are not getting mounted
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15:53<diego>sorry LVM2
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15:54<diego>so far I managed to place nofail and the system goes beyond an emergency shell upto a fairly usual login screen where I can log in as root
15:55<sney>I think I saw something in a listchanges/listbugs entry about this but I can't remember where it was because I don't use lvm
15:55<diego>df shows no /usr, no /var, no /home neither my /opt/git
15:56<sney>I doubt that systemd-sysv-generator message is related though.
15:57<diego>funny thing is when I summon vgchange -a y after it's done magic happens and LVM2 partitions get mounted... I have no clue how to guess what else is failing either
15:59<diego>that is the 3rd line I can read on boot up screen that happens to be the 851 at dmesg
15:59<diego>851th
16:00<diego>I am utterly lost... my skills with linux are so poor
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16:04<zavik>hello guys
16:04<diego>sney, I think valdyn and judd pointed out my problem earlier but my laptop run out of batt and I missed the thing
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16:14<diego>valdyn: judd: sney: I read about https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=715184 but I don't understand how to proceed... besides it is marked as fixed
16:14<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/715184 in lvm2 (open, confirmed, d-i, patch, squeeze): «lvm2: fails to boot with root on lvm, as wait loop for slow disk is too late»; severity: important; opened: 2013-07-06; last modified: 2014-09-06.
16:16<diego>judd: what am I supposed to do ? it says it was fixed
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16:16<diego>this is my very first time
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16:22<devrikx>diego: I had similar issues with my hypervisor; never fixed, but I can relate. If the bug is closed, open a new bug or reopen it; if it's just a message from a developer/contributor saying they fixed it, but bug is not closed; then send a message to that bug reiterating your issues
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16:22<devrikx>https://wiki.debian.org/reportbug
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16:25<diego>devrikx, thanks: now how do I use that tool from a system that doesn't work? 0:)
16:25<devrikx>lol good point
16:26<devrikx>you can just email in that case
16:26<diego>there should be a mobile phone tool that uses photos or videos to show the bug
16:26<diego>:D
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16:29<jhutchins>Yet another example of what lvm does best: offer someting else that can go wrong.
16:30<diego>devrikx, funny point is that someone told me to try to summon vgchange -a y then lvm2 works and magically debian mounts everthing
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16:31<diego>althoug the system is not fully working
16:31<diego>then I can manage to get my eth0 NIC up and running
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16:32<diego>and that is all i know to do
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16:35<devrikx>yea, I'm not the most practiced with lvm and getting it to mount at startup; I was having a similar issue...had to manually mount it (though lvm stuff for me was additional, apart from the OS data so system works fine for me...just no VMs till I mount)
16:38<diego>I'd love to be able to diff my /etc with a functional /etc I know my distro upgrade went wrong but where? when did it happen?
16:38<diego>I just went to my sofa!!! :D
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16:53<valdyn>diego: nothing wrong with your upgrade
16:54<valdyn>diego: what is wrong is the lvm scripts in the initrd
16:54<valdyn>diego: the fix *may* be just adding a "sleep 1" there, but i dont know, and thats certainly no well thought out solution...
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16:56<diego>bugreport says something about initramfs-tools/scripts/local-top/lvm2 and then rebuild initramfs
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16:57<diego>I know how to add the lines there but never did a initramfs rebuild whatsoever
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16:57<diego>I let you all know
16:57<valdyn>diego: that bug is similar to your problem, but its not exactly it
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16:58<valdyn>!initrd
16:58<dpkg>[initrd] Initial ramdisk, or god's way of punishing you for using a pre-built kernel image... and you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem, see <can't mount root>. A great system for those who understand modules or need/want root in LVM and/or md RAID. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initrd . See also <initramfs>, <kp mantra>.
16:58<valdyn>!initramfs
16:58<dpkg>from memory, initramfs is the new <initrd>. See http://www.ducea.com/2006/10/10/debian-etch-kernels/ for Sarge and Etch kernel differences (forward looking as we know it prior to etch's release), or ask me about <initramfs debug>. See also <targeted>. http://wiki.debian.org/initramfs
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16:58<valdyn>ok, thats not very useful
16:59<valdyn>diego: its regenerated when you run "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)"
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17:00<diego>ok... anyways I see no scripts under /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts
17:01<diego>bugger!
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17:07<diego>is lvm2 a module? can I load it in boot time?
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17:21<ahall>Where was the bug on LVM2 boot problems on Jessie/systemd?
17:21<ahall>I got in too late to see that bit.
17:22<ahall>It won't mount /usr (on LVM) before trying to boot and so fails
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17:24<diego>ahall, my fstab http://paste.debian.net/170848/ and my dmesg http://paste.debian.net/170850/
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17:28<ahall>diego, is that working for you?
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17:28<diego>no
17:30<ahall>Ah. Mine's close to the same, but / isn't on LVM.
17:30<ahall>I'm trying "nofail", but I doubt that'll work.
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17:33<diego>I get /dev/mapper/vg0-root mounted on root, and also the swap but usr, var, tmp, home and /opt/git wont
17:34<diego>it gets stuck during boot up trying to fsck then
17:34<ahall>I'm getting initrd-switch-root failing.
17:34<ahall>It can't find os-release, which is a symlink to something under /usr, which isn't there.
17:36<diego>I tried nofail on the rest... doesnt change the results
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17:37<diego>google throws me to https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/LVM
17:37<diego>hope to see if i can
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17:38<ahall>nofail didn't help me either
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17:41<diego>the bugreport says it is fixed
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17:41<diego>I am able to log in, then vgchange -a y. then debian mounts the partitions
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17:42<ahall>Which bugreport?
17:42<diego>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/715184 in lvm2 (open, confirmed, d-i, patch, squeeze): «lvm2: fails to boot with root on lvm, as wait loop for slow disk is too late»; severity: important; opened: 2013-07-06; last modified: 2014-09-06.
17:42<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/715184 in lvm2 (open, confirmed, d-i, patch, squeeze): «lvm2: fails to boot with root on lvm, as wait loop for slow disk is too late»; severity: important; opened: 2013-07-06; last modified: 2014-09-06.
17:43<diego>if i check the file that they say it fixes the bug
17:43<diego>the lines are there
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17:43<diego>the problem to me is the file lives under /usr
17:44<diego>which doesn't mount until I did that trick
17:44<diego>so no real fix to me
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17:44<diego>I will copy the scritp to /etc
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17:45<ahall>Hmm, the bug is still open. That sure sounds like the symptom.
17:45<CptCrunch>We got a 10 gigabit connection to a NAS. Was wondering if I could put kvm images on it using libvirt. If so how would that be done best .... nfs ?
17:46<diego>is it still open? i missed where does it say so
17:46<CptCrunch>prolly not the best way to do things but speed is not super important in this case
17:47<diego>could or should?
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17:51<diego>ahall, i read from that arch linux link the next: Add lvm2 hook to mkinitcpio.conf for root on LVM
17:51<diego>In case your root filesystem is on LVM, you will need to make sure the udev and lvm2 mkinitcpio hooks are enabled.
17:51<diego>udev is there by default. Edit the file and insert lvm2 between block and filesystems
17:51<ahall>diego: 715184 is marked as fixed, not as closed
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17:51<ahall>OK ...
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17:51<diego>but I dont see mkinitcpio in debian
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17:52<ahall>I don't think it's there. It's probably some dracut thing in debian.
17:52<ahall>I'm trying to reboot into at least a root shell.
17:52<ahall>Oh wow, I got my system to boot
17:53<ahall>I think your problem is different from mine, but here's what I did.
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17:53<ahall>I got the error that os-release couldn't be found, and then the boot dropped me into an emergency shell.
17:53<diego>I'm all ears
17:54<ahall>The file existed, but it's a symlink to ../usr/lib/os-release, and *that* didn't exist because /usr wasn't around.
17:54<ahall>So from the emergency shell I manually mounted /usr and replaced the symlink with the actual contents of the file (will paste in a bit)
17:55<ahall>So that /etc/os-release was a regular file.
17:55<ahall>Then I rebooted it it came up, and mounted all the volumes.
17:56<ahall>FWIW, my os-release is http://paste.debian.net/170903/
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17:57<ahall>Now I can start trying to fix the initrd, I guess.
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17:59<diego>I don't see an error like that on my dmesg
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17:59<diego>where did you read yours?
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18:00<ahall>From the rdsosreport file when I got dropped into the emergency shell.
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18:01<diego>btw It doesn't work for me to copy /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/local-top/lmv2 into /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts/local-top/
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18:02<ahall>I'm guessing you'd have to regenerate the initramfs after you do that. Dracut does that, but I don't know exactly how to run it. I've never had to. :)
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18:02<diego>regenerate whaaat!! i mean how?
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18:03<CptCrunch>sock puppet comes to mind ...
18:03<diego>where was that rdsosreport file?
18:03<ahall>I forget the whole path, but it's only there when you get dropped into the emergency shell, and it tells you where it is then.
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18:05<ahall>Ah, /run/initramfs/rdsosreport.txt
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18:06<diego>empty for me
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18:06<CptCrunch>can't you two just /msg
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18:07<diego>sorry CptCrunch, asap
18:07<ahall>CptCrunch: I thought we weren't supposed to. Leaves the conversation in the logs and all that.
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18:08<closingin>hi all, do someone know how to get firestarter on debian jessie ?
18:08<closingin>seems like it's been removed ?
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18:10<CptCrunch>There is no current release of this source package in Debian "jessie".
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18:11<closingin>what's the best alternative based on iptables so ?
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18:15<CptCrunch>On my debian machines I am not using a firewall but on Fedora there is a nice tool imho http://www.firewalld.org
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18:16<closingin>CptCrunch, is it a gui ?
18:16<CptCrunch>yup
18:16<CptCrunch>There is a nice one for SELinux too
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18:17<closingin>Gonna give it a try
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18:20<CptCrunch>Its clean and ... well nice. For SELinux if you like that sort of thing I quite like "SELinux Manaement GUI" Think the guys over at Red Hat made it but I would thing it is in Debian too.
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18:30<closingin>it's in the packages at least
18:30<closingin>:)
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18:32<closingin>but, it doesn't have a front end gui
18:32<closingin>?
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19:40<quentusrex_>are there any issues with having the nvidia-graphics-drivers package installed, then installing a newer version of the driver from the NVIDIA .run release?
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19:49<diego>I have plenty *.dpkg-new inside /etc/ how do I solve that?
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19:55<blast007>quentusrex_: you should not use the packages from nVidia directly unless you want to break your install.
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19:55<quentusrex_>blast007, how so?
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19:56<blast007>it overwrites files and is not a method that is supported
19:56<blast007>if you go that route, you're on your own
19:57<blast007>the supported method is documented at https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
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20:11<denis>on parles-tu en français ici ?
20:11<somiaj>!fr
20:11<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
20:12<denis>ok thank you
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20:14<helium>Hi, just upgraded from Wheezy to Jessie on a small headless server and can't get apache2 to work properly - browsing shows "Index of" but no files and doesn't display files. Any ideas?
20:15<somiaj>helium: have you double checked the config, could it be the module that generates the file list just isn't enabled or explicity disabled in the config?
20:16<blast007>helium: did you check the release note for Jessie? https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#apache-httpd-incomat <-- that also links to an Apache 2.2 to 2.4 upgrade document.
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20:18<helium>blast007: I wondered if that was the problem so I purged apache2 and reinstalled. Still no luck...
20:19<helium>somiaj: I don't particularly want the file list (in fact I'd rather not) but it doesn't serve the files either!
20:19<blast007>so did you read the release note and the upgrade guide or not?
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20:20<helium>blast007: I've read what I can find but I couldn't see anything that specifically applied. Having purged and reinstalled, does that still apply anyway?
20:21<blast007>purging doesn't necessarily get rid of all your configuration files
20:21<blast007>you'll have to go through your configurations and logs to see why it is doing that
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20:25<helium>blast007: ok, having fun trying to get my head around systemd already. I had a stock installation, so would it be extremely lazy to purge apache2, delete /etc/apache2 and reinstall?
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20:25*helium not having a good Sunday morning....
20:26<blast007>or diff the two directories to see what is causing your issue
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20:33<helium>blast007: ok, purged apache2, deleted /etc/apache2, reinstalled. My browser can connect to apache2 but the server STILL won't serve any files!
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20:34*helium now tries his hand at the dark arts of systemd's journals.....
20:35<helium>blast007: journal shows no errors....
20:35*helium starts tearing his hair out...
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20:45*helium succeeds!!
20:46<helium>blast007: it is such a stupid error! My original root for the webserver was /var/www whereas the new root is /var/www/html - which, not suprisingly had nothing in it!
20:47*helium feels like a real idiot and leaves the forum blushing
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20:53<devsterknight>how do I know which packages will require reboot before installing them? and how can I install them without rebooting?
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20:54<centrx>devsterknight, no packages force a reboot
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20:54<ryouma>kernel might
20:54<ryouma>or is that fixed?
20:54<centrx>devsterknight, The only packages that require a reboot to activate are the kernel and sometimes libc6
20:54<devsterknight>uh, that's weird, sometimes I have the reboot-required at login
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20:54<centrx>ryouma, but it doesn't force it, it's just necessary to use the new kernel
20:55<ryouma>ah
20:55<ryouma>devsterknight: checkrestart will suggest some programs to restart
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20:55<devsterknight>and delete the reboot-required and reboot-required.pkgs?
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21:28<phobiac>So... there's probably a lot of "oh god updaing the jessie borked my system" going around. I've got a problem that I'm having a ton of trouble finding the source of. I cannot connect to the internet at all.
21:29<svetlana>( https://h-node.org/soundcards/view/en/177/Intel-Corporation-82801H--ICH8-Family--HD-Audio-Controller--rev-03- .. snd_hda_intel module is installed and loaded but i hear no sound )
21:29<svetlana>if you can't connect to the internet then i would suggest to check dmesg for more details
21:30<phobiac>So far the best I've gotten is that it looks like the dhcp client script isn't working, an it appears the source of that is that ip isn't installed
21:31<paxmark9>phobiac, clean install or dist-upgrade Also do you have non-free enabled. Are you connecting via eth or wifi?
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21:31<phobiac>paxmark9: dist-upgrade, non-free is enabled, eth, and (just in case) it's an ARM system
21:32<phobiac>I'm currently talking to it over a serial interface because it's headless :/
21:33<diego>thanks to whoever mentioned pruging unused old packages!! solver partially my problem with lvm2
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21:35<phobiac>I seem to still have ifconfig but the I have no clue how to fix the fact that the ip command just isn't available
21:35<paxmark9>phobiac your skill set might be more than mine.
21:36<phobiac>paxmark9: That's no good, I'm lost! Haha. Thanks for trying to help though.
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21:43<svetlana>phobiac: download the relevant package to that system by hand and install it to make the ip command available?
21:44<phobiac>svetlana: I
21:44<phobiac>svetlana: I've realized that may be my only option
21:44<phobiac>Trying that now
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21:53<diego>phobiac, if internet is not working try ifconfig eth0 up;ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.2/24;route add default gw 192.168.0.1
21:54<diego>that should set up a NIC eth0 statically in a private LAN address .2 with a gateway at .1
21:54<phobiac>diego: it turned out the iproute2 package was absent from my system
21:54<svetlana>phobiac: I'm wondering how you managed to remove that package in the first place :-)
21:54<phobiac>So I didn't have the ip command
21:54<phobiac>svetlana: I am too!
21:55<phobiac>It works now, time to see what else the update borked
21:55<svetlana>I might suggest to check /var/log/apt/history.log for that
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21:55<svetlana>by default debian upgrades _rarely_ break things so narrowing it down to something speciic would be useful and appreciated :-)
21:56<diego>svletana, what is he, me too, supposed to look there for?
21:56<phobiac>svetlana: actually I just now went into my sources.list and I think I know the problem
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21:56<phobiac>one of my deb lines used "stable" but all the others used "wheezy"
21:56<phobiac>so I got like... 1/4 of an update
21:57<phobiac>I'll make a copy of the log and look it over later though
21:58<svetlana>ah! user error. maybe there should be a script (and a package) to do this routine task but it's such a fragile file...
21:58<phobiac>svetlana: Yeah, entirely on me for not checking before a dist-upgrade
21:59<svetlana>at least a semi-automated warning that you've got different versions probably would work, I dunno. that's what the confirmation prompts when removing packages are meant to be for in the first place :)
21:59<svetlana>so I fear that re-iterating the need to read what it asks could be more useful than overcomplicating the thing and having users rely on lack of warnings while continuing to ingore the 'yes/no?' prompt
21:59<phobiac>svetlana: maybe something went you do dist-upgrade that checks if you're using the branches or the codenames and gives a big warning if you have a mix?
22:00<phobiac>you can only do so much to fix a PEBKAC
22:00<svetlana>then people would start thinking 'ok i have no big warnings, screw it i won't read the prompt' and that'll be outright bad
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22:02<phobiac>I feel pretty dumb about this considering it's such a basic thing
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22:02<phobiac>Oh well, I've learned now
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22:10<phobiac>Thank you for your help!
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22:36<svetlana>:-)
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22:45<diego>systemctl --failed says 23 are failing
22:45<diego>socorro, help , apua minua!
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22:50<diego>http://paste.debian.net/170933/
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