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01:03<dfna>I am seeing something like dl.google.com, when i do apt-get update (in wheezy),,,
01:03<themill>Do you have chrome installed?
01:04<dfna>Yes
01:04<themill>That would be why
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01:04<dfna>Themill: Thanks
01:06<dfna>Themill: I am using chromium
01:07<dfna>themil: chrome and chromium are diff ,right
01:07<jm_>yes
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01:10<themill>!show sources.list dfna
01:10<dpkg>dfna: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}
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01:25<jm_>chrome adds /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list
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03:15<luckyuser>Debian channel. :D
03:15<luckyuser>I never knew this existed.
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03:26<devil>luckyuser: there is many channels that start with the d we all like
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03:26<luckyuser>xD
03:26<devil>my guess is, there is ~ 50 debian channels
03:27*devil lingers in ~ 10 of them
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03:28<devil>of course they are dedicated to fractions of debian
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03:41<EmleyMoor>Query related to jessie - since upgrade, in gnome-terminal, Claws Mail and others, clicking a scroll bar seems to "jump" to that position - what do I do to go a window full at a time now?
03:42<EmleyMoor>(I note I can use the wheel on my trackball, but there isn't one on my laptop)
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03:45<musca>EmleyMoor: Pgdown-key?
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03:46<EmleyMoor>musca: Not in terminal...
03:46<EmleyMoor>OK in others
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04:12<yaclm>Hello! I have Debian 8 installed and found a very strange directory http://pastebin.com/P8eQ1Ghz. It seems to be just a slink to itself http://pastebin.com/Fe5wL9jv No idea what causes this. Do you think this slink is safe to delete?
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04:16<themill>yaclm: /usr/bin/X11 used to be a place that things actually looked for programs. Nothing should still do so but...
04:17<jm_>it's the same here, and I never noticed any issues with it
04:17<yaclm>themill, okay, I found more of these structures in /dev/fd/4/dev/fd/4/dev/fd/4/... it seems to be 'normal'
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04:29<TomyWork>i have a problem with my apt repo caused by people building and deploying the same version twice. now when trying to install that version, they get "size mismatch". Do you think I could just rename the file in the repo and reindex it or would APT care about the "wrong" name?
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04:30<jm_>I suppose apt-get update should solve it if you update the index
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04:41<TomyWork>jm_ thanks. i also tried running apt-ftparchive with "-o APT::FTPArchive::AlwaysStat=true", but that just took longer and did no good
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04:42<jm_>TomyWork: you mean it does not update the index?
04:42<TomyWork>actually, let me touch the files and try again
04:44<TomyWork>jm_ it didnt discard the cached entries, no
04:45<jm_>TomyWork: wait, cached where?
04:45<TomyWork>in the cache db
04:45<TomyWork>but i was wrong
04:46<TomyWork>it all worked, apparently
04:46<TomyWork>i was just silly and didnt apt-get update first :D
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05:18<EmleyMoor>Just started my "permanently testing" VM to update it to stretch. Still have one outstanding issue to solve with jessie on this machine (courier-imap-ssl not starting due to it seemingly not being able to handle its lockfile)
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05:22<smurf>hi
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05:24<smurf>‫hey
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05:35<Fenhl>trying to upgrade to jessie and getting this error: http://hastebin.com/idusazebup.txt
05:35<Fenhl>any ideas?
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05:40<jm_>did you check BTS?
05:40<Fenhl>jm_: what is BTS?
05:40<jm_>!bts
05:40<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS
05:43<Fenhl>jm_: it does not appear to be on there
05:43<jm_>Fenhl: then submit a new bug
05:45<Fenhl>jm_: I can't install reportbug because I get the same “unmet dependencies” error
05:46<jm_>Fenhl: tried uninstalling pyhon-dev first?
05:46<jm_>and/or python?
05:48<Fenhl>jm_: same error
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05:49<jm_>Fenhl: put your attempt on pastebin (use debian.net paste site -- /msg dpkg paste)
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05:52<Fenhl>jm_: http://paste.debian.net/171522/
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05:52<jm_>Fenhl: I don't see which command you ran
05:52<Fenhl>jm_: apt-get remove python python-dev python3 python3-dev 2>&1 | pastebinit
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05:54<jm_>so that's even worse
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05:55<jm_>maybe the easiest thing is to skip python command in postinst and worry about it later
05:56<Fenhl>how would I do that?
05:57<jm_>edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/python-minimal.postinst and add exit 0 before the python command
05:57<jm_>then run dpkg --pending --configure and try to proceed
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06:00<Fenhl>jm_: dpkg --pending --configure http://paste.debian.net/171525/
06:01<jm_>Fenhl: it's exit zero not exit oh
06:01<Fenhl>oops
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06:04<Fenhl>jm_: fixed that, new error: http://paste.debian.net/171526/
06:04<jm_>Fenhl: yeah try using apt to fix that
06:05<Fenhl>jm_: as in, `apt-get -f install`?
06:05<jm_>Fenhl: yeah or maybe just dist-upgrade first
06:06<Fenhl>okay running `apt-get -f install` then `apt-get dist-upgrade` seems to be working
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06:07<Fenhl>it's hitting the syntax error in /usr/lib/python3.4/site.py a lot
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06:07<jm_>so other postinst-s call the same thing then
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06:09<Fenhl>last few lines of output: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/eN3QC1nX
06:09<Fenhl>jm_: so I'm supposed to remove all of these too?
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06:10<jm_>Fenhl: well you saw what trying to remove them did earlier, it would probably be worse now unless you uninstall them with dpkg I guess
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06:12<Fenhl>how is this even a syntax error? As far as I can tell it's perfectly valid Python
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06:14<jm_>no idea, I don't use python, tried searching for that but gave up soon after not finding anything interesting in first few hits
06:15<jm_>I also don't understand why it's calling python2.7 for a file in python3.4
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06:15<Fenhl>wait, that's the problem
06:15<Fenhl>it's valid Python 3 but invalid Python 2
06:15<Fenhl>if it's being executed with Python 2 then that's the problem
06:16<jm_>well I don't know - why don't more people not notice this? what's different for them? I have no jessie system with python here to check
06:16<Fenhl>I guess most people don't have Python 2 anymore? But I needed to install it for some program that still uses it
06:17<jm_>they do since python 2 was the default in wheezy, i.e. I have 2.4, 2.5, 2.6 and 2.7 on my wheezy system (bummer, need to get rid of this mess)
06:20<Fenhl>then maybe it's the other way around — most people are still using Python 2 only
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06:21<jm_>I also have several python 3.x versions installed on the same system, will see how my upgrade goes next week
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06:22<Fenhl>whatever the case, I seem to be stuck halfway between wheezy and jessie and I have no idea how to fix it. So any input would be appreciated
06:22<jm_>so maybe try running one of those commands with python3.4 and see if it works
06:23<Fenhl>which command?
06:23<jm_>the one from postinst that fails
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06:30<rfree__>I produce .deb files for my debian with kernels, named foo-1.1.deb foo-1.2.deb foo-1.3.deb Is ther a way to tell apt to automatically find the newest of this kernels and install? it can NOT be just other revision because it changes modules/API. and to remove old ones.
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06:30<rfree__>if not, then how would you write it... e.g. a tool in C that uses... libdpkg? to query this information, decide what package to install/remove and then calls apt?
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06:32<jm_>you could do what debian does and provide a meta package which always points to the latest kernel and install that
06:33<jm_>and then apt-get update would work
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06:33<rfree__>jm_: hm indeed that could be the simplest solution
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06:37<Fenhl>jm_: how do I know which command that is?
06:39<jm_>Fenhl: uhm look at the file you added exit 0 to and look a few lines down
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06:42<Fenhl>jm_: that also hits syntax errors because there is code written for Python 2 in there
06:42<jm_>Fenhl: then I'm affraid I can't help further and I hope I won't hit the same thing next week
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06:59<Fenhl>jm_: okay so I asked in #python on freenode and they say that the command can safely be skipped (as I suspected, since compiling Python code is merely a speedup and not a requirement). Any ideas on how to find all the postinst scripts that call it?
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07:00<jm_>Fenhl: grep?
07:01<jm_>pplus you already know which those are due to syntax errors
07:01<jm_>w(you saw those when upgrading)
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07:03<jm_>grep 'python.*compile' /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.postinst forgot what the exact command was so adjust the regex
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07:45<Fenhl>jm_: that only finds the one where I already inserted the exit. dist-upgrade still fails
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07:45<jm_>Fenhl: check postinst for one that fails then
07:45<jm_>or maybe check the output of apt-get to get the exact error and when that happens
07:46<Fenhl>jm_: I'm not sure how to tell the path from the output of apt-get dist-upgrade: http://paste.debian.net/171542/
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07:48<jm_>Fenhl: subprocess old pre-removal , so it's not *.postinst but *.prerm
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07:52<Fenhl>jm_: `grep 'python.\.. -m compileall' /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.prerm` gives no results
07:52<Fenhl>or even 'python.*compile'
07:52<jm_>Fenhl: put one of the failing scripts on pastebin
07:53<jm_>looks like the command is pyclean -p python-apt in this case
07:54<jm_>(that's for the python-apt package)
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07:56<Fenhl>http://paste.debian.net/171544/
07:57<jm_>yeah you looked at the same one as me, so grep for that instead
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07:57<Fenhl>it appears so, but I can't find the point where it imports or runs compileall
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07:59<jm_>maybe it doesn't do that for all packages, i haven't looked at that
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08:00<Fenhl>oh, so looking at the manpage pyclean appears to be doing the inverse of compileall, which I hope can also be ignored
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08:01<jm_>or you can find those files and delete them manually if that's not the case
08:02<Fenhl>I'll ask in #python to be sure
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08:21<Bram>Hi all, I have some jessie upgrade issues concerining redmine. if i do an dist-upgrade it wants to remove redmine. so i do an apt-get install redmine prior to that. that helps.. but it does not has all the requires packages to run.. Need to apt-get install some additonnal ruby packages..
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08:37<yoll>hi
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08:38<yoll>i create package for debian 7.6 from debian 7.8
08:38<yoll>during package install dpkg show me 'debian-7.8'. How i may fix that?
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08:44<petn-randall>yoll: What package did you create?
08:44<petn-randall>,v redmine
08:44<judd>Package: redmine on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.0.1-2; squeeze-security: 1.0.1-2; squeeze-backports: 1.1.2-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.4.4+dfsg1-2+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 2.5.1-2~bpo70+5; jessie: 3.0~20140825-5; stretch: 3.0~20140825-5; sid: 3.0~20140825-7
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08:45<petn-randall>Bram: Looks like you have some 3rd party packages which cause problems. You'll have to show us some output, check what dpkg sent you:
08:45<petn-randall>!tell Bram -about bat
08:45<yoll>petn-randall: commercial software.
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08:47<petn-randall>yoll: Can you show us observed behaviour, and expected behaviour? Best with all the output → http://paste.debian.net
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08:50<leta>Hi all! I installed Debian Jessie on Lenovo X201T. Unfortunately, I can't enable the trackpoint to work as intended with the middle click...
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08:50<leta>To be a bit more clear, the trackpoint itself works, but the scrolling with the middle click does not...
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08:53<yoll>petn-randall: i get 'Setting up PACKAGENAME (1.3-debian7.8)', but i need 'Setting up PACKAGENAME (1.3-debian7.6)' or 'Setting up PACKAGENAME (1.3)'
08:55<themill>yoll: the version string is the one that is in the debian/changelog. The version string should uniquely identify the package you are making. Don't reuse versions.
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08:56<Bram>petn-randall, I have 0 3rd pary software installed.. Ill revert my testing VM to get the assosiated apt-get messages hang on.
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09:03<ary>Hi. Why Debian's copy progress bar is not exact? When the bar finish, the copy window doesn't close. I need to wait for some long time to unmount the driver.
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09:04<themill>ary: the copy process finishes before the data actually hits the disk. This is always the case (and is true for all operating systems) and is normally a good thing. It's just annoying on usb drives.
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09:05<themill>You can mount the filesystem with the "sync" option to slow down the progress to match the kernel writing to disk...
09:05<Bram>petn-randall, http://paste.debian.net/171554/
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09:22<petn-randall>Bram: Did you have your machine up-to-date before trying to upgrade to jessie?
09:24<Bram>Yes it is fully updated
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09:25<petn-randall>Bram: Sorry, busy at work, but maybe someone else on this channel can look into it. Looks like either packages that weren't in wheezy blocking the upgrade, or a genuine upgrade bug to jessie.
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09:28<Brigo>Bram, can you paste the output of apt-cache policy ?
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09:31<Infiltrator>Recently (probably the last 1~2 weeks?), my laptop does not suspend (in gnome3, if that's relevant) when closing the lid until I re-open it, when it proceeds to lock the screen and suspend. I checked /proc/acpi/button/lid/C241/state when it's open normally and just after closing it, and it shows "open" and "closed" as expected. Is this a gnome itself issue?
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09:33<Bram>sure Brigo, http://paste.debian.net/171560/
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09:34<root>hello
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09:36<mtn>Infiltrator: what changed in the last 2 weeks as you seem to say it was fine before?
09:36<Brigo>Bram, there is no problem there, i am clueless :-(
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09:39<root>hello!What was
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09:59<msb>Hello, I'm running dist-upgrade on sid for the first time after the jessie release and I get an error related to xorg upgrade: xserver-xorg-video-intel depends on xorg-video-abi-18 which according to apt is no longer provided by xserver-xorg-core (which instead provides xorg-video-abi-19); the package info page at https://packages.debian.org/sid/xserver-xorg-video-intel claims that it can still
09:59<msb>satisfy the abi-18 dependency; on to the question: is my package db broken or is it business as usual with packages still rolling bulk in unstable after the freeze which I should patiently wait out?
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10:00<petn-randall>msb: Probably business as usual. Welcome to our "not even ready for the *next* release" branch :)
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10:01<msb>petn-randall: thank you, I'll try to enjoy my stay :)
10:01<root>Funny than
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10:02<root>逗比
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10:04<t-richards>Most useful email I've ever read: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/10/msg02070.html
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10:05<t-richards>Somehow I missed `libpam-systemd` on my new jessie install, it's been driving me crazy for a number of hoours
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10:15<Infiltrator>mtn: Just upgrades.
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10:15<Infiltrator>My guess is more systemd breakage. :P
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10:15<mtn>Infiltrator: running jessie or....?
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10:16<Infiltrator>mtn: Aye, jessie. -next is no longer the channel for jessie because it's been released, right?
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10:17<mtn>Infiltrator: and it worked fine after going stable or after you installed it?
10:17<root>逗比们
10:17<Infiltrator>I was running jessie beforehand, and it was fine for at least a few months before about two weeks ago.
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10:18<petn-randall>root: This channel is english only.
10:18<root>你说什么
10:18<petn-randall>!cn
10:18<dpkg>如果您想要得到中文的協助,請加入伺服器上的 #debian-zh (irc.oftc.net) 頻道,加入方法為在輸入框中輸入 "/server irc.oftc.net" 和 "/join #debian-zh" (不要加引號),謝謝您的合作!
10:19<Infiltrator>Oh, is that what those question marks are? My screen used to render them fine before. :(
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10:19<root>你是不是翻译的
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10:32<petn-randall>!tell root -about cn
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10:57<root>hi
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11:39<catinaonesie>fuck
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11:44<xav>hello
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11:46<xav>anyone who switched from squid to squid3?
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11:50<towo_nb>!anyone
11:50<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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11:55<xav>To migrate from squid to squid3 I changed my squid.conf like this: header_access to request_header_access, and header_replace to request_header_replace. I'd like to replace my user-agent, it does not seems to work.
11:55<xav>I tried request_header_replace after and before request_header_access
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11:56<xav>If request_header_access User-Agent is allowed, I get the real user-agent
11:57<xav>If request_header_access User-Agent is not allowed, I get nothing
11:57<xav>no replacement
11:58<xav>I also tried to play with reply_header_access and replace, just in case, doesn't work either
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12:00<xav>Is it a bug or do I do not understand it?
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12:09<SamB_laptop>how do I get NetworkManager to notice I dropped wlan0 from /etc/network/interfaces?
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12:10<abrotman>SamB_laptop: you can restart n-m
12:10<SamB_laptop>oh wait, I may have misread this menu ... it says "device not ready" for wireless ...
12:11<SamB_laptop>any idea what that means?
12:11<smuxi>means it is frigid
12:11<SamB_laptop>is that a sex joke
12:11<smuxi>indeed
12:12<SamB_laptop>should I just punt and string ethernet cable the rest of the way across the room?
12:13<SamB_laptop>oh, hmm, dmesg gives me the impression it's been begging HARD for some firmware
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12:19<safinaskar>how to install qt 5 for development to jessie (from repos)?
12:20<SamB_laptop>really it seemed rather excessive; it seemed to be asking with such frequency that multiple requests had timestamps with the same integral part
12:20<safinaskar>i installed qt5-qmake and qtbase5-dev (with --no-install-recommends), but this seems not enough
12:20<safinaskar>(because linking still fails with vtable error)
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12:20<SamB_laptop>safinaskar: that's from backports?
12:20<safinaskar>so, what i should install more?
12:20<safinaskar>SamB_laptop: no. from jessie
12:21<SamB_laptop>oh, wait, backports was for people developing on wheezy, wasn't it
12:21<SamB_laptop>!qt
12:21<dpkg>Qt is a cross-platform application framework developed by Digia. http://qt.digia.com/ #qt on irc.freenode.net.
12:21<SamB_laptop>hmm.
12:21<SamB_laptop>!debian-qt
12:22<SamB_laptop>https://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/ should tell youj who to talk to
12:23<abrotman>SamB_laptop: again, try to msg the bot before you fill the channel with crap
12:23<abrotman>dpkg: tell SamB_laptop about bottell
12:23<safinaskar>SamB_laptop: so, i should send e-mails to this people? well, there must be a simpler method
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12:25<blast007>safinaskar: what are you trying to do?
12:27<safinaskar>blast007: i want to install qt 5 for development to jessi
12:27<safinaskar>blast007: *jessie
12:27<blast007>well, that bit was obvious :)
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12:28<blast007>are you trying to compile some existing QT5 based software? are you getting errors somewhere?
12:28<safinaskar>blast007: no, i want to start my qt 5 project
12:28<safinaskar>blast007: and it doesn't link
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12:29<bike>whot, http://security.debian.org/ not resolving
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12:29<safinaskar>blast007: again, i installed qt5-qmake, qtbase5-dev (with --no-install-recommends). now, when i try to link my project i see vtable errors
12:29<bike>there we go
12:30<blast007>maybe some of the recommended packages would have helped with that?
12:30<safinaskar>bike: it is resolving on my computer
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12:31<safinaskar>blast007: all they seems unrelated (they contain sql, opengl etc in their names)
12:31<bike>safinaskar failed for a little while here, doing an apt update, then tried http, no go| Cannot initiate the connection to security.debian.org:80 (2001:a78:5:0:216:35ff:fe7f:be4f). - connect (101: Network is unreachable)
12:31<blast007>k
12:32<safinaskar>bike: this means dns gives you IPv6 address, but there is no IPv6 on your computer
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12:34<bike>isp glitch i suppose
12:34<safinaskar>bike: try to temporary disable IPv6 on the system using command "sysctl net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=1"
12:34<safinaskar>bike: then you can enable it again using "sysctl net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=0"
12:35<safinaskar>bike: (as root, of course)
12:35<bike>noted, will try that if it reoccurs
12:35<bike>thx
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12:36<blast007>the apt version in Debian Jessie also seems to support options to force it to IPv4 or IPv6. http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/9940/convince-apt-get-not-to-use-ipv6-method
12:36<imMute>I'm having some trouble making a package that uses dpkg-divert. the diversions are working fine in the preinst/postrm, but when dpkg tries to unpack my package, it still complains about conflicting files (which were diverted). it seems like dpkg-divert isn't actually working. could someone help?
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12:37<bike>blast007, interesting
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12:43<imMute>YAY, figured it out. turns out my .install had trailing slashes whihch meant that the dpkg-divert was using filename like "/usr/bin//foo" which is not strictly equal to "/usr/bin/foo"
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13:21<Fenhl>after inserting `exit 0` before all occurences of `pyclean`, the same appears to be triggered by `update-python-modules` http://paste.debian.net/171591/
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13:22<Fenhl>I'm starting to think there may be something more fundamentally wrong with my Python installation and I would appreciate any help with this since I feel like I have no idea what I'm doing
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14:09<alvarito>hola
14:09<alvarito>hi
14:11<musca>hello alvarito, you have reached the debian linux support channel. How can we help you?
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14:47<awal>I did a heavy web search but it seems that there is not a simple calendar app for linux?
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14:47<abrotman>to do what exactly
14:48<awal>Evolution have calendar but I'm looking for an app that just show days, month and year calendar, like
14:48<awal>abrotman: just for check calendar, date and months offline
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14:49<abrotman>awal: "cal"
14:49<awal>for example which day is may 20. I'm using basic wm's (flux and openbox)
14:49<awal>ok, let me check that
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14:50<awal>abrotman: cal? is that a pack?
14:50<abrotman>no
14:50<abrotman>it's a command
14:50<awal>ah, ok
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14:51<awal>abrotman: thanks a lot. thats exaclty what I want. never heard about cal. thanks
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14:53<abrotman>awal: Have you heard of "Linux in a Nutshell" ?
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14:54<awal>abrotma: no
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14:55<abrotman>awal: I'd recommend you obtain a copy, you can get used copies for fairly cheap from Amazon
14:55<abrotman>dpkg: tell awal about grounding
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15:03<awal>abrotman: ok, (Y). interesting. got the 3d edition from http://www.itc.edu.kh/bib/ebook/storage/Linux%20In%20A%20Nutshell%203rd%20Edition.pdf thanks for the info
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15:07<john>hi anyone here working with live dvd am having problems with non-free not boting
15:09<blast007>john: what happens when you try?
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15:09<john>opens splash screen and then just hangs after a while with cursor blinking top left
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15:10<ompaul>john: CTRL ALT F2
15:10<ompaul>does that help?
15:10<john>have tried both cinnamon and xfce and have checked md5 sums everything seems ok
15:10<awal>john: I just want let you know that official debian dvd and live ones don't include non-free firmwares. As I know there is no non-free live cd images
15:10<john>does that give another option for booting
15:11<blast007>awal: they're "unofficial" ISOs, but they're on cdimage.debian.org
15:12<john>awal have a look here http://live-systems.org/
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15:13<john>ompaul will have to go off to try alt f2
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15:15<awal>blast007: seems that now with jessie there is non-free live, yeah (not when wheezy as stable v). http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.0.0-live+nonfree/
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15:15<john>awal on that page i listed there has been non -free on older versions
15:16<blast007>john: it might help you get more information if you disable the spash screen as well. At the initial boot screen where it had some boot options (live, failsafe, install, etc), press Tab when on the first option, and delet the 'quiet' and 'splash' keywords from the line at the bottom, and press Enter to boot
15:16<blast007>delete*
15:16<awal>john: yeah , seen that :)
15:17<john>blast am going off now to give it a try but basically not serious as the normal not non-free is perfect will let you klnow now now
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15:29<topkek>I'm playing around with systemd-analyze, and I wonder: Why does keyboard-setup.service take 159ms to start?
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15:31<john>blast007 you there
15:31<blast007>yes
15:32<john>works if I start in failsafemode
15:32<john>my mb bios is dated 2006 and nvidia is 8400 so maybe a bit dated
15:32<devil>topkek: how long do you expect it to take?
15:33<topkek>I don't know, but it is the thing that seems to take the longest to start right now
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15:34<topkek>I realize that it's still far from terrible, but it still seems to take long compared to other services
15:35<john>strange though quod libet does not play on either free on non free without gstreamer 1.0 being installed thought they would include that as this is the defaault player anyway am sure it will be sorted in future
15:35<devil>topkek: you could look into systemd-analyze critical-chain to investigate further
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15:37<devil>topkek: you can also run 'systemd-analyze critical-chain keyboard-setup.service' directly
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15:39<topkek>devil: thanks, I was already wondering where it was ;)
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15:45<topkek>devil: that command doesn't seem to tell me much more...
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15:45<topkek>I think I'll try to see if I can just get rid of keyboard-setup
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15:47<topkek>I mean, look this is just terrible ;)
15:47<topkek>systemd-analyze
15:47<topkek>Startup finished in 920ms (kernel) + 599ms (userspace) = 1.519s
15:48<babilen>horrible
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15:49<topkek>you know how much I could accomplish if only I could save 100ms more?
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16:04<asbe>hi
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16:06<SleepyHead>hi
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16:44<randy`>can someone explain why the new torbutton is so buggy?
16:44<randy`>ops wrong channel
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16:50<punkunity>hello everyone
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16:51<punkunity>im in sone kind of dependecy hell with wine1.7 after a very fresh install of Sparky
16:51<punkunity>https://www.zerobin.net/?f863df0a895d453e#sh0zUk7f9qYjKeBiFgp5Ywt8B9C8K7ooVt5bdflUdvg=
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16:52<punkunity>i have to leave soon, but I will check back later if anyone replied. its all goood, and ty for yourr time
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16:52<devil>sparky?
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16:52<Brigo>sparky??
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16:52<devil>and I thought it was called Jessie
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16:53<punkunity>word. my bad guys
16:53<punkunity>i thought i was posting in another room
16:53<devil>:)
16:53<punkunity>it IS a debian testing system supposedly
16:53<jhutchins>punkunity: stretch?
16:53<punkunity>but i know how it works
16:53<punkunity>indeed jhutchins
16:53<devil>punkunity: good
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16:53<punkunity>good thing this aint the arch crowd ay?
16:54<punkunity>;)
16:54<devil>haha
16:54<jhutchins>punkunity: So the other room was probably @debian-next?
16:54<punkunity>I need SparkyLinux
16:54<devil>jhutchins: sparky linux
16:54<punkunity>its a distro based on debian testing
16:54<Brigo>let me check:
16:54<devil>!sparky
16:54<dpkg>SparkyLinux is a Linux distribution based on <testing>. It is not supported in #debian. http://sparkylinux.org/ See also <based on debian>.
16:54<punkunity>word thanks
16:54<devil>np
16:55<punkunity>i cant find their room lol
16:55<punkunity>#sparky and #sparkylinux no go
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16:56<devil>maybe they don't have one
16:56<punkunity>lmao
16:56<devil>checked on freenode also?
16:56<punkunity>i am there with you actually
16:56<punkunity>hahahha
16:56<devil>well, I tried
16:56<punkunity>idk. ill figure it out later. you guys have been great
16:56<punkunity>good night
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16:56<punkunity>be back in an hour or 2
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17:08<dioo>Hi, I'm trying to compile a custom version of VLC on raspbian and I have a couple questions regarding APT.
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17:08<dioo>If I understand correctly, in any given release, there is always only one version of a given package, right?
17:09<Brigo>dioo, right
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17:09<dioo>Brigo: Ok, so I see that VLC in jessie (well, raspbian jessie anyway) is 2.2.0, so I checked out that tag in VLC's git and tried to compile
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17:10<Brigo>,v vlc
17:10<judd>Package: vlc on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze-security: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze-backports: 2.0.3-5~bpo60+2; wheezy: 2.0.3-5+deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2.0.3-5+deb7u2+b1; wheezy-security: 2.0.3-5+deb7u2+b1; squeeze-backports-sloppy: 2.0.5-1~bpo60+1; wheezy-backports: 2.1.5-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.2.0~rc2-2; sid: 2.2.1-1; stretch: 2.2.1-1; wheezy-multimedia: 1:2.0.6-dmo3;
17:10<judd>jessie-multimedia: 1:2.2.1-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 1:2.2.1-dmo2
17:10<jhutchins>punkunity: #linuxiarze.pl on freenode - I suspect it's not in english.
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17:10<jhutchins>punkunity: It's not.
17:10<dioo>but it says my libdvdnav is too old
17:10<dioo>configure:31330: $PKG_CONFIG --exists --print-errors "dvdnav >= 4.2.1"
17:10<dioo>Requested 'dvdnav >= 4.2.1' but version of libdvdnav is 4.2.0
17:11<Brigo>dioo, there is no vlc package in jessie but jessie-multimedia.
17:11<dioo>,v libdvdnav4-dev
17:11<judd>No package named 'libdvdnav4-dev' was found in amd64.
17:11<Brigo>and it is 2.2 as yu can see.
17:11<Brigo>and dioo:
17:11<Brigo>!raspbian
17:11<dpkg>Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/
17:11<dioo>,v libdvdnav-dev
17:11<judd>Package: libdvdnav-dev on amd64 -- squeeze: 4.1.3-7; wheezy: 4.2.0+20120524-2; wheezy-backports: 5.0.1-1~bpo70+1; stretch: 5.0.1-1; sid: 5.0.1-1; jessie: 5.0.1-1; experimental: 5.0.1-3
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17:13<dioo>Brigo: Ok, quick general APT question then: is it required for vlc's jessie version to be build-compatible with libdvdnav-dev in jessie?
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17:13<dioo>As far as Debian is concerned anyway
17:14<Brigo>dioo, yes, of course. If it is dinamically linked as usual.
17:15<Brigo>dioo, or you can install the libraries with another version and depend on them. But it is complicated
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17:15<dioo>Brigo: I don't mean at runtime. I mean, does it happen that a maintainer would patch vlc so it detects libdvdnav-dev 5.0.1 (which it *seems* not to in my case)
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17:16<Brigo>dioo, but libdvdnav-dev 5.0.1 is already in jessie.
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17:17<dioo>Brigo: Yes, and the vlc configure script seems to not detect it
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17:17<dioo>Anyway, this is probably too raspbian-specific to discuss here
17:17<Brigo>dioo, vlc 2.0 from raspbian.
17:17<dioo>Brigo: vlc 2.2.0 from git
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17:18<SamB_laptop>hmm, fbset has some rather ... strange effects here ... I have both a TV and a VGA monitor attached, I can't seem to be able to reconfigure the mode on the TV; switching to a smaller framebuffer resolution just leaves extra bits lying around from when I had it using the whole of the TV's resolution ...
17:18<Brigo>dioo, then i think debian 2.2 package should detect libdvdnav-dev 5.0.1 as long as it dependes on it.
17:19<SamB_laptop>and now I unplugged the TV and plugged it back in and it doesn't get its output reenabled
17:19<dioo>Brigo: Ok, thanks
17:19<Brigo>dioo, np :)
17:20<SamB_laptop>(from the computer, I mean)
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17:22<Brigo>dioo, i am checking and jessie-multimevia vlc doesn't depend on libdvdnav.
17:22<Brigo>SamB_laptop, then your card/driver doesn't detect it (check logs) or you graphical environmet (usually gnome) don't care.
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17:23<dioo>Brigo: Interesting, I didn't know raspbian reconfigured that (although I suppose I should have expected it in hindsight)
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17:31<Maxow>Hey, I am looking for a reliable, cheap ($5-7/month) vps, do you know any ?
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17:34<Brigo>yes, join #waveride and ask there.
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17:53<SamB_laptop>robots.txt that blocks repository overview pages considered harmful
17:55<SamB_laptop>search engines that will nevertheless list them in search results aren't so bad though
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18:02<juhaj>Any idea what's wrong: cron does not execute stuff from /etc/cron.d/ anymore after an upgrade a couple of weeks ago. Other directories and user crontabs work fine.
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18:03<dondelelcaro>juhaj: I'd guess that the permissions are wrong
18:04<juhaj>dondelelcaro: It's not just one script, it's all of them, and the scripts and their permissions haven't changed
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18:04<dondelelcaro>juhaj: right; what are the permissions on /etc/cron.d and the files in /etc/cron.d?
18:05<juhaj>-rw-r--r--
18:05<dondelelcaro>ok, and the directory?
18:05<juhaj>As they always were (and still are on machines where they still get ran)
18:06<juhaj>drwxr-xr-x
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18:06<dondelelcaro>cool; which version of cron do you have installed?
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18:08<juhaj>cron 3.0pl1-127 and anacron 2.3-23 – same as on a working machine
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18:08<juhaj>There are no log entries either
18:08<dondelelcaro>hrm; OK. yeah, those are all working for me too. and the cron files are owned by root, right?
18:09<juhaj>Yes
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18:09<dondelelcaro>try running cron with cron -f -L 15; and see what it's doing
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18:11<juhaj>It just reported skipping @reboot jobs (as expected) and went on to sleep
18:12<juhaj>But then again there aren't any jobs that ought to have been ran right now anyway
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18:13<dondelelcaro>yeah; you can probably strace it to make sure it's reading them, but that wouldn't tell you why it's not actually running them until it's time for them to be run
18:13<juhaj>Hm... strace says open("/etc/cron.d/debsecan", O_RDONLY) = 7 so it does take a look in the directory
18:13<dondelelcaro>cool; so it is at least reading them
18:13<juhaj>I'll make test script which is ran every minute...
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18:17<juhaj>Hm, it just says "CRON[1146]: (root) CMD ([1147] touch /root/bah)" and manages to create the file
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18:18<juhaj>So I'm none the wiser as I haven't changed anything (except I ran cron from a shell instead of systemctl)
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18:20<knugen>Is there any easy way to tell if it's even possible to install Debian on a certain system? I'm thinking about installing it for use as a workstation on my "old" gaming-machine, currenty running Windows 7, but i think it may be some problems due to "too new" hardware
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18:21<juhaj>knugen: There won't, but you can always try a live-cd or live-usb-stick
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18:21<ex-parrot>honestly almost any system will work knugen
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18:23<knugen>ex-parrot yes, i totally believe that i can install the system. But i don't wanna waste really expencive graphics, ssd:s, 8-core cpu etc if i can't handle everything in debian. Have been googling around for a compatibelityguide but without success
18:23-!-ditto [~ditto@ip4d169786.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined #debian
18:23<ditto>Hi.
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18:24<knugen>juhaj th live-usb, is that wheezy? i'll might try to boot that up later then, i totally forgot debian even had a live-distro
18:24<ditto>I need some help. Just switched from Win7 to Mint 17 Mate.
18:25<ex-parrot>in what way wouldn't they be compatible?
18:25<ex-parrot>those all sound emminently compatible
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18:25<ditto>I would like to add a workplace/ desktop.
18:25<juhaj>knugen: Jessie was released, you know? ;)
18:25<ex-parrot>ditto: you may want to try mint's IRC
18:25<ditto>ops, good call.
18:25<knugen>juhaj i meant jessie. just too well banked-in with wheezy :D
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18:26<ditto>Got confused. Sorry. Debian is superb also. :D
18:26<ex-parrot>:D
18:26<juhaj>knugen: there is a "hardware compatibility list" at http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ but needs pci-ids
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18:34<xxavi>hi
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18:34<xxavi>I'm running Jessie with KDE ; when I reboot/shutdown/sleep ; Debian into in freezy mode ... someone can help me ?
18:36<Brigo>xxavi, i cannot understand the question, sorry.
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18:38<SamB_laptop>xxavi: it freezes when you try to turn reboot, shut it down, or make it sleep?
18:38<SamB_laptop>er. s/turn //
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18:46<punkunity>https://www.zerobin.net/?f863df0a895d453e#sh0zUk7f9qYjKeBiFgp5Ywt8B9C8K7ooVt5bdflUdvg=
18:46<punkunity>anyone wanna chime in on this?
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18:47<xxavi>SamB_laptop: yes
18:48<devil>xxavi: you are asking in 2 channelks at the same time
18:48<devil>-k
18:49<xxavi>devil: after few minuts
18:50<devil>xxavi: is it kde?
18:50<xxavi>devil: as desktop, yes
18:51<devil>xxavi: well, keep it in here anyways, more people here
18:51<devil>xxavi: youi could look at journalctl -xb 1
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19:01<xxavi>devil: http://sprunge.us/GUij
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19:05<devil>xxavi: I said, you could look at it :)
19:05*devil is off to bed
19:05<xxavi>devil: good night
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19:57<root>hello
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20:02<quietone>Hi, my wireless just stopped working, error messages logged every 5 secs. 1) how to stop the error logging, 2) how to know if it is the hw?
20:02<quietone>Network controller: Qualcomm Atheros AR93xx Wireless Network Adapter
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20:03<Brigo>quietone, that is not an error message.
20:04<quietone>Brigo, yes. I thought maybe someone would ask for info on the adapter.
20:05<Brigo>quietone, that's right, but the error itself it's important too :)
20:05<Brigo>or even better, the log :)
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20:15<quietone>http://paste.debian.net/171748/
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20:21<r2ood2oo>where did the kfreebsd channel go?
20:21<root>呵呵
20:21<blast007>r2ood2oo: It's at #debian-kbsd according to the bot here
20:22<root>No living it
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20:23<root>Good cold
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20:23<finetundra_>how do I set a static ip
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20:25<root>I do not know, Google search bar
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20:31<Brigo>quietone, still there?
20:31<quietone>Brigo, yes
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20:32<Akronym>finetundra_, depends... either via the network settings of your desktop environment (if any is used) or via /etc/network/interfaces
20:32<Brigo>quietone, it is a driver bug.
20:32<Akronym>*narf*
20:32<Brigo>you can stop network-manager daemon, unload kernel module and load it again and then start N-M again.
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20:34<quietone>Brigo, don't know how to upload kernel module and load it again. If I stop network-manager do I also loose my ethernet connection?
20:35<Brigo>quietone, right, you will lose it. If not, you can deactivate the wifi.
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20:36<quietone>Brigo, is turning it off with the gui the same as deactivating the wifi?
20:37<Brigo>quietone, yes, i meant that, bu i don't use the gui, so i don't know the exactly names :)
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20:39<quietone>Brigo, ok. but I am confused. The last kernel update I took was on the 2nd. It seems odd that it took nearly 4 days for the wifi too fail
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20:39<Marcin_PL>Hello :) I just installed pure Debian instead od previously used Mint-Debian and now I cannot find program gpointing-device-settings (I didn't installed Gnome, just Mate, but it's gone from the repo). I really need this, OR – sth. that can use middle button in Thinkpad's trackpoint to emulate mouse wheel.
20:39<Brigo>quietone, no it isn't. We hope it will fail just from time to time :)
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20:40<Brigo>Marcin_PL, you can configurate mouse from mate configuration menu.
20:41<Brigo>system preferences mouse, in my system.
20:41<Marcin_PL>Brigo: It's not enough or my trackpoint isn't recognized properly.
20:41<Marcin_PL>Google says gpointed… is a debian package, but it's gone now?
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20:43*Marcin_PL found https://packages.debian.org/sid/utils/gpointing-device-settings – why I cannot see that in repository?
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20:43<Brigo>,v gpointing-device-settings
20:43<judd>Package: gpointing-device-settings on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.5.1-3; wheezy: 1.5.1-6; sid: 1.5.1-6
20:43<quietone>Brigo, oh. I'm looking for the kernel module
20:43<Brigo>it is not in jessie.
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20:44<Brigo>quietone lsmod will list the loaded kernel modules.
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20:44<Marcin_PL>judd: Can I just download it and run, id dependencies will be OK?
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20:45<Brigo>Marcin_PL, judd is a bot.
20:45<Marcin_PL>:) Sorry
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20:46<Marcin_PL>I tried to be "legacy" and find out something related in repository, but nothing works for me.
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20:47<Brigo>Marcin_PL, what the proble with your mouse?
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20:50<Marcin_PL>Brigo: It's a small notebook, Lenovo Thinkpad X61s. It has only the trackpoint. No wheel, three buttons and the stick. Buttons are recognized well, but I need feature to emulate mouse wheel with the stick, when middle button is pushed down.
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20:51<Marcin_PL>And gpointing-device-settings did the trick under Mint.
20:53<Marcin_PL>I see I also cannot run flash under Chromium… huh
20:53<Brigo>Marcin_PL, you have to install the pepper flash plugin package.
20:54<quietone>Brigo, thanks. there are 4 modules. You suggest that I use modprobe to remove them all and them reload them?
20:54<Brigo>quietone, yes,
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20:55<quietone>Brigo, thank you very much. I can try that later.
20:55<Brigo>quietone, of course you can reboot too :)
20:56<quietone>Brigo, lol. that's my backup plan if I mess it up.
20:56<Brigo>quietone, a backup plan, nice. :)
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20:57<Brigo>Marcin_PL, try mouseemu
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20:58<Marcin_PL>After installing pepperflash there is a puzzle board saying "right click to play flash" (always it was left click…) and when I do there's a menu "inspect element" that do what it should do (not playing flash).
20:59<Marcin_PL>Mouseemu – I can run it just as root, and it does nothing. Weird.
21:00<Brigo>Marcin_PL, did you install pepperflashplugin-nonfree ?
21:00<Marcin_PL>RIght, but I got also other one, maybe I should uninstall that…
21:01<Brigo>Marcin_PL, try /usr/share/doc/mouseemu/README.Debian
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21:02<Marcin_PL>Uninstalling flash-nonfree didn't help at all.
21:03<Brigo>Marcin_PL, try to reinstall pepperflashplugin-nonfree
21:04<Marcin_PL>I did it now, trying...
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21:06<Marcin_PL>OK, I got it... Huh.
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21:09<Marcin_PL>It is a popup-menu that has "run this element" as far as "inspect…" under any flash, and well, it's not VERY comfy, but OK. But I got plugin YoWIndow, that has icon in Chromium, that popups a "window" with flash… And there is only "inspect element". Argh. Pains of switching to almost-the-same-system… Pointing to "almost". :)
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21:13<Marcin_PL>And how to enable fingerprint reader? I must add, I leaved all /home as it was during installation. I installed fprintd and dependencies…
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21:13<Brigo>Marcin_PL, afaik, chromium and flash are the same in all linux system.
21:13<Brigo>Marcin_PL, i have never used figerprint readers, sorry :)
21:14<Marcin_PL>Brigo: I can see first tim e that pepper-flash, normally I used flashplugin-nonfree (also present in Debian) or mozilla-flashplugin-something
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21:14<Marcin_PL>OK, I'll try to recognize that. It's really useful. :)
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21:15<Brigo>Marcin_PL, flashplugin-nonfree is for icewease/firfox, pepper is for chromium.
21:15<Marcin_PL>Especially under Linux, when You must type pass quite often
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21:16<Brigo>Marcin_PL, i go to go, bye, bed time. :)
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21:16<Marcin_PL>Brigo: Maybe Mint (LMDE!) uses newer Chromium? E.g. Chrome has flash builded-in.
21:16<Marcin_PL>OK, BIG thanks, Brigo!
21:17<Brigo>Marcin_PL, debian, at least, download chrome and grab flash from there and put in into chromium
21:17<Marcin_PL>Haha, I'd have to recompile that and maybe do some back-engineering, I guess :)
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21:17<Brigo>you should have something as /var/cache/pepperflashplugin-nonfree/google-chrome-stable_38.0.2125.111-1_amd64.deb file
21:18<Marcin_PL>Maybe there's some config file to use just left click into pepperflash…
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21:22<Onions>Hello guys
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21:22<Onions>i just installed debian 8 and i noticed that the cpu utilization is very high
21:22<Onions>due to systemd-udev and systemd-journald
21:22<Onions>is this expected behavior?
21:23<Onions>it is an amd64 pc
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21:28<Onions>as soon as i posted the question the cpu went down lol
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21:31<awal>Fresh Jessie install in an old thinkpad t61 interl core 2 duo / 2 gb ram but I get a frozen screen during a few seconds almost every time I login in X. I thought it's mate bug so I installed xfce but I have same issue. Any suggestion where to look exactly?
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21:37<shellos_>Well hi
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21:38<You>test
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22:28<awal>How to know which gtk theme is in use via terminal?
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