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---Logopened Wed May 06 00:00:03 2015
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00:04<Az-24>can someone tell me what keeps wiping out /etc/network/interfaces? tried removing network-manager, but after that it is still wiped out, but with like "eth0 allow-hotplug" stuff in it. All i need is a dang static ip entry for my wired isolated lan, eth0, and another entry for wlan0
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00:05<Az-24>wlan0 is my wifi, i had that working when i first installed, but cannot get my wired eth0 configured right.
00:05<SamB_laptop>Az-24: network-manager doesn't even do tat anyway
00:05<somiaj>Az-24: I can't think of anything that would be modifing that file.
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00:06<Az-24>ive read since last night about this, but all the stuff i can find is like 10 years old
00:06<somiaj>could it be you are on a temproary file system so your changes just aren't saved?
00:06<SamB_laptop>I don't think it ever actually modified the file, only totally ignored when some interfaces were meant to be managed using it
00:07<Az-24>im using a 16gb flash drive with jessie and persistence
00:07<SamB_laptop>which was thankfully fixed some time ago
00:07<somiaj>so a live system? Wonder if it is an issue with your persistence, and stuff just isn't being saved.
00:07<SamB_laptop>yeah, could it be that /etc just isn't being persisted?
00:08<Az-24>i doubtit, because ive changed passwords, and things like hostame
00:08<Az-24>err, hostname
00:09<somiaj>well there shoudln't be anything modifying that file, so my guess would be something strange with peristance.
00:10<Az-24>hmm, thats gotta be it, just isnt going to work. But ive came so far!
00:10<somiaj>but it only happens after a reboot right?
00:10<Az-24>yes
00:11<Az-24>like i had it all seemed to be configured manually, but after reboot the interfaces file is overwritten, and only contains 2 lines with the loopback interface
00:13<somiaj>I haven't messed with the live systems, do they have some automatic network configuraure at boot?
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00:14<Az-24>as far as i can tell, dhclient does some things on boot. I was going to purge that as well, but im sure i need it for wlan0
00:14<somiaj>well dhclient will only do something if it is being called.
00:14<somiaj>but that could be another possibility. It has some auto network configure boot seperate of the interfaces file which writes a new one during the configuration.
00:15<somiaj>But i'm unsure on this.
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00:16<somiaj>Az-24: yea that is it, the live system has some auto network thing you need to disable.
00:16<somiaj>Az-24: https://lists.debian.org/debian-live/2014/01/msg00061.html
00:17<Az-24>i uncommented some stuff in the dhclient.conf, ""alias eth0" blah blah, it added another entry for eth0, along with the hotplug one, the first one is correct, so i guess trying to figure out whats putting hotplug stuff in the interfaces file is next.
00:17<Az-24>cool, giving it a look
00:17<somiaj>seems you just need to add the boot option, ip=frommedia
00:21<Az-24>sweet, this is going to be awesome if this fixes it!
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00:57<Az-24>*somiaj* that worked btw, and thanks.
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01:10<somiaj>Az-24: yea once I figured out it was a live system I could try to deduce what was going on. (:
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01:36<sammcj>Hi, I'm trying to get Pacemaker version 1.1.10 on either Jessie or Wheezy. Wheezy only has 1.1.7 which is very old and Jessie doesn't have any due to bug 678922 - Just wondering if anyone else has encountered this and has a solution or an ETA on when Pacemaker will be back in Jessie?
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01:39<somiaj>,v pacemaker
01:39<judd>Package: pacemaker on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.0.9.1+hg15626-1; squeeze-backports: 1.1.7-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.1.7-1; sid: 1.1.10+git20130802-4.1; experimental: 1.1.11-1
01:40<somiaj>!tell sammcj about ssb
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01:40<somiaj>you can try to backport/compile it yourself. You can probabaly insatll the sid version in jessie (note this is only due to them being really close, I woudln't recomdend this and the ssb packport factoid may work better)
01:40<somiaj>you will of course have to deal with that bug and any security support for it.
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01:57<sammcj>somiaj check out http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/debian-ha-maintainers/2015-May/004182.html
01:58<sammcj>Rik would be a great maintainer for the HA stack
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01:59<somiaj>ahh it is the file system for an openVZ container it seems.
02:00<somiaj>opps wrong network.
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04:06<EmleyMoor>I'm guessing this is really an upstream thing - anyone else noticed that gnome-terminal is now much less user-friendly?
04:07<babilen>how so?
04:08<muep>in my experience, it is mostly the same, apart from some colour changes and suchlike
04:09<EmleyMoor>babilen: A lot of the old options on the menu are just not there any more and you have to know the keys to use them
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04:10<babilen>Could you give (an) example(s) ?
04:11<EmleyMoor>Well, on mine, "New Tab" isn't on the File menu. Also, it seems you can't rename a tab from within Terminal
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04:13<EmleyMoor>Only way to do it seems to be to use xttitle
04:14<babilen>I'd simply use ctrl-shift-t for that and really never had the need to rename them, but I understand what you mean now
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04:23<EmleyMoor>babilen: Another "gone" possibility is to have the "dark" terminal in a "light" frame... I used to use that setting for user terminals and light for root ones.... now you have to have the dark frame with the dark terminal.
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07:56<inkbottle>[Iceweasel:] Hi, when I browse the web, "firefox" manages very well to display pdf documents. Now I do: "firefox /home/.../mydoc.pdf" and it ask me what external viewer I want to use. How to fix that?
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07:57<inkbottle>I'm asking google, I might should have done that before
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08:14<oscarlambrun>salut
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08:34<finetundra>good morning everyone, what would be the best way to set a static IP?
08:35<mtn>finetundra: network manager, if you use it
08:36<finetundra>mtn, should that be installed by default?
08:36<mtn>finetundra: depends. which desktop did you install?
08:37<finetundra>lxde
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08:37<mtn>finetundra: hmm, don't know. do you have a networking icon on a panel? if so, right click it.
08:37<finetundra>ok
08:37<finetundra>what then?
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08:38<mtn>finetundra: look for options for the kind of network you want to edit or adjust. look for ipv4 tab and make you edits
08:39<finetundra>ok, in the ipv4 tab. what do I look for?
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08:41<l4mbd4>Hey there
08:41<finetundra>hello
08:41<l4mbd4>I'm having a problem with my testing box today...
08:41<l4mbd4>So I wanted to update my packages as usual...
08:42<l4mbd4>apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade && apt-get autoremove, that is
08:42<mtn>finetundra: first change method. do you want to set dns, too?
08:43<l4mbd4>I have apt-listbugs installed, and it gave out:
08:43<l4mbd4>Retrieving bug reports... Done
08:43<l4mbd4>Parsing Found/Fixed information... Done
08:43<l4mbd4>serious bugs of openssl (1.0.1k-3 → 1.0.2a-1) <Outstanding>
08:43<l4mbd4> b1 - #770605 - openssl: Removes symbol without SONAME bump
08:43<l4mbd4> Merged with: 768476 768522 769023 770278 771169 771993 781094 781929
08:43<l4mbd4>Summary:
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08:43<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/770605 in openssl (open, experimental): «openssl: Removes symbol without SONAME bump»; severity: serious; opened: 2014-11-22; last modified: 2015-05-04.
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08:44<finetundra>mtn, um I don't know. I guess my isp's but I'm gonna have to go find it. I don't usually manually set my DNS. Or a static IP for that matter
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08:46<mtn>finetundra: choose manual and fill it out. you will need to know the gateway, ip address you want, etc.
08:46<l4mbd4>... sorry for flooding, I'm not too experienced with this... I pasted my apt-listbugs output in here: http://paste.debian.net/172079/
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08:46<petn-randall>l4mbd4: What is your question?
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08:47<finetundra>mtn, ok. will I be able to set my IP from there as wel?
08:47<finetundra>*well
08:47<l4mbd4>What I thought is, how to exclude that package version until it gets updated again? I mean, only that specififc version!
08:47<mtn>finetundra: yes
08:47<finetundra>awesome.
08:47<l4mbd4>I only found out about blocking a package from updating at all...
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08:48<petn-randall>l4mbd4: Which version of Debian are you running?
08:48<l4mbd4>I'm running a current debian box (updated yesterday)
08:48<l4mbd4>sorry, testing branch, which I mentioned in the beginning
08:49<petn-randall>l4mbd4: Oh, in that case you're in for a rough ride. Welcome to the staging area of our next release. :)
08:50<petn-randall>!tell l4mbd4 -about pin
08:51<l4mbd4>Hm ok I know about pinning, but how can it accomplish what I want?
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08:54<root>http://pan.baidu.com/s/1bnEqXKb
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09:06<myztic>how can I accomplish monitoring every single manipulation of a file by any program?
09:08<Flensburg>,i inotify-tools
09:08<judd>Package inotify-tools (misc, optional) in jessie/amd64: command-line programs providing a simple interface to inotify. Version: 3.14-1+b1; Size: 24.2k; Installed: 61k; Homepage: https://github.com/rvoicilas/inotify-tools/wiki/
09:08<Apollo>myztic: ionotify
09:08<Apollo>so what Flensburg said
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09:10<myztic>Apollo, inotify?
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09:11<Apollo>yes
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09:11<myztic>Apollo thanks, that all I need, I'll read into it :)
09:11<myztic>*that's
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09:14<inkbottle>About the wrong handling of local PDF files I spoke of earlier, rm mimeTypes.rdf solved the problem.
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09:29<stevenm_>Lo, is there any reason 8 lacks libnss-mysql-bg ?
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09:36<petn-randall>stevenm_: I'm guessing it got replaced by something newer.
09:37<stevenm_>petn-randall, I can't seem to find what that would be though :S
09:37<petn-randall>,vlibnss-mysql-bg
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09:37<stevenm_>peter1138, on squeeze it was just known as libnss-mysql
09:37<petn-randall>,v libnss-mysql-bg
09:37<judd>Package: libnss-mysql-bg on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.5-2; wheezy: 1.5-3+b1; sid: 1.5-3+b1
09:37<OdyX>Who's maintaining the judd bot ?
09:38<petn-randall>stevenm_: Start here, https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/libnss-mysql-bg
09:38<stevenm_>already been there
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09:40<OdyX>ah. I was thinking jessie would need to be added, but that package is not in there :)
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09:49<peter1138>stevenm_, ? :D
09:49<stevenm_>sorry I meant petn-randall :)
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09:55<stevenm_>OdyX, yeah - but why is it not there?
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09:57<themill>Because of the RC bug that it still has
09:57<stevenm_>this? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=731759
09:57<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/731759 in wnpp (open): «O: libnss-mysql-bg -- NSS module for using MySQL as a naming service»; severity: normal; opened: 2013-12-09; last modified: 2013-12-09.
09:57<themill>no
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09:58<stevenm_>aha https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?archive=no&bug=729986
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10:01<themill>(which is why petn-randall pointed to the tracker right at the start)
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10:02<stevenm_>ok well I see the RC part of the tracker now for future reference
10:03<stevenm_>this RC bug exists in the existing published debian 7 package
10:03<stevenm_>so this bug can exist - but just not re-exist?
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10:22<EmleyMoor>OK - any further advice on how I can permanently fix the courier-imap-ssl not starting at startup problem?
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11:38<debmate>When adding contrib and non-free, do I add to all repos listed in source.list?
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11:40<Brigo>debmate, not for security.
11:41<debmate>updates and main then?
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11:53<l4mbd4>hmm, I still haven't understood how I can make apt and aptitude ignore a certain version of a certain package
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11:54<petn-randall>!tell l4mbd4 -about hold
11:56<l4mbd4>ok, but if I understand it correctly, it doesn't do what I want, because it ignores it forever until I tell the system to not ignore.. but I need a way of only ignoring until a newer version has arrived... or do I understand something wrong here?
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11:57<petn-randall>l4mbd4: I wouldn't over-engineer this.
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11:58<l4mbd4>It's just because I know that I'll eventually forget about the rule and won't try again later, resulting in an always outdated package...
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12:00<MasterPiece>How can I get a cloak on my account ?
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12:00<babilen>"/msg nickserv help set cloak" (and please ask such questions in #help or #oftc)
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12:03<SynrG>l4mbd4: here's what i do. i use apt-listbugs in conjunction with it's automatic pinning of packages with RC bugs. periodically i just remove all automatically-generated config snippets. if apt-listbugs shows there's still an RC bug, it will prompt me again and i'll put it back on hold
12:03<SynrG>l4mbd4: so it's just a matter of cultivating the habit to do that pinning pruning on a regular basis
12:04<SynrG>if you're tracking testing, removing those every week is a reasonable schedule. if you don't want to have to remember, you could get cron to remove them
12:05<l4mbd4>hmm yes, that sound better already
12:05<l4mbd4>sounds*
12:06<l4mbd4>I mean it's still not completely automated, but if nobody does that, I guess it'll be quite hard to do :D
12:07<l4mbd4>I think I'll give that a go later, thank you
12:07<SynrG>or you could "expire" those pins the minute you're done with them. that way the next time you upgrade, you just need to reset the pins
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12:08<SynrG>that may lead to more work resetting pins, but less lag between the time a new version becomes available and the time you get it
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12:08<SynrG>it's not so much that it's hard, but rather, it may not be easy to make a solution that would make everyone happy, so better just to let each admin deal with it ad hoc
12:09<SynrG>after all, rm <path-to-preferences-snippet> really isn't that hard
12:09<SynrG>if it's something you really care about, you'll go look and remove the pin
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12:10<SynrG>most times, leaving the pin there until later (say, around release time) is not too disruptive
12:10<petn-randall>Note that many bugs that are reported on a newer version might also exist in the older version, so it might not always make sense to hold on the upgrade. Every individual case must be verified by hand. Welcome to testing :)
12:10<SynrG>yeah. and oh, btw, see #debian-next
12:11<SynrG>as that's where we support testing/unstable
12:11<l4mbd4>I thought apt-listbugs would only list new bugs?
12:11<ary>Hi. how do I change my login background??
12:11<SynrG>l4mbd4: apt-listbugs lists bugs that would be introduced by performing an upgrade
12:12<SynrG>l4mbd4: if you undo the pin, the package becomes a candidate for upgrade, so apt-listbugs will see it and prompt you
12:12<l4mbd4>Doesn't that imply that it isn't on the current version?
12:12<SynrG>correct
12:12<SynrG>that's normally how i discover there's an RC bug
12:12<l4mbd4>So, if I'm running testing I shouldn't be on here?
12:12<SynrG>granted, most of my systems are either unstable or a testing/unstable mix
12:13<SynrG>not "shouldn't". let's just say it's suboptimal
12:13<SynrG>it clutters this channel with non-stable concerns
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12:13<SynrG>and it misses help that might otherwise be available over there
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12:13<l4mbd4>Ok, there was your look into the future then :D
12:14<astronaut>i upgraded to sid and it uses glamor acceleration for intel. is it expected such radical changes in sid or is it a mistake?
12:15<l4mbd4>haha there you go :D maybe you should make more clear that this is only for stable :D
12:15<SynrG>isn't change implicit in the name "unstable"? i'm not sure why you think this might be a mistake
12:15<SynrG>also, immediately after a stable release, expect testing and unstable to be turbulent
12:15<l4mbd4>look at microsoft windows, where unstable doesn't mean change
12:15<l4mbd4>maybe he was misguided by that
12:16<ary>Hi. how do I change my login background??
12:16<SynrG>it's a bad time to be on either if you dislike change.
12:16<SynrG>if you're misguided about the purpose of unstable, you really shouldn't be on it
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12:16<SynrG>it will only cause you grief
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12:17<SynrG>l4mbd4: maybe you should see the channel topic, "testing/usntable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net)"
12:17<SynrG>but who checks channel topics, eh? :)
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12:18<l4mbd4>not me as you can see :D
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12:20<l4mbd4>I only went as far as #debian, where it said "Meant for Debian users support. Any questions related to using Debian are welcome."
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12:33<unraised>I installed debian jessie from the console using cd1 installing only the core packages (didn't connect to the internet). Now that I connect to the internet I can't install build-essential.
12:33<unraised>E: Package 'build-essential' has no installation candidate
12:34<towo_nb>apt-get update
12:34<unraised>I tried that: apt-get update && apt-get install build-essential
12:34<towo_nb>unraised, and i think you miss a valid debian mirrot in your sources.list
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12:35<peterS>unraised: yeah you want a line in /etc/apt/sources.list something like: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian jessie main
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12:36<unraised>I have deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main
12:37<towo_nb>you need a base mirror
12:37<peterS>unraised: well, the security repo is not complete, it only gets updates, not base packages
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12:38<unraised>Oh, ok let me try adding a mirror
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12:40<unraised>peterS, adding your mentioned mirror worked. Given a mirror, how do I tell if it has base packages or not? I thought that is what "jessie main" was selecting.
12:43<RudeViper>I just did a fresh install of Debian 8. On first boot after install all I get is this on my screen: http://pastebin.com/dvemPfdB
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12:44<SynrG>RudeViper: did you finish the whole install? "recovering journal" sounds like maybe you didn't
12:45<RudeViper>yes I did - followed the onscreen prompts
12:45<di0x>recovering journal fsck -a /dev/sdx?
12:45<SynrG>right to the very end when it tells you to reboot now?
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12:46<RudeViper>yes
12:46<SynrG>maybe it always says recovering even when there's nothing to recover and i just don't notice it, then
12:46<Apollo>did you manually reboot by pushing the button?
12:46<di0x>also wrote halt pushing the button
12:46<RudeViper>Apollo: no it did it on it's own
12:47<SynrG>RudeViper: so the installer did prompt you to reboot?
12:47<RudeViper>SynrG: yes
12:47<SynrG>k. how long did you wait after that message?
12:47<SynrG>was there any drive activity after that?
12:48-!-mode/#debian [+l 787] by debhelper
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12:48<RudeViper>didn't notice if there was any drive activity - used a usb stick for install... I'll try it again - maybe I moved to quickly
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12:49<SynrG>RudeViper: was the USB stick your installer media or the target for the installed system?
12:50<RudeViper>SynrG: installer media
12:51<RudeViper>ok redoing it now - this time chose graphical automated install - might be better
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12:53<SynrG>RudeViper: it seems unlikely a reinstall will fix it, but you're welcome to try
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12:53<SynrG>RudeViper: but i'm close to the end of what i personally can help with.
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12:57<SynrG>the only bug i could find bearing that message is #774579 but it may be coincidence only, as in that bug report there are other visible consequences missing from your report
12:57<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/774579 in src:linux (open, moreinfo): «linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64: Kernel fails to boot - cannot find root»; severity: important; opened: 2015-01-04; last modified: 2015-01-06.
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12:58<SynrG>the "cannot find root" and drops to a busybox shell isn't happening in your case?
12:58<ary>Hi. how do I change my login background??
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12:58<SynrG>ary: gnome? gdm3?
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13:00<SynrG>ary: if gdm3, i think https://wiki.debian.org/GDM has the answer
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13:09<ary>SynrG, that answer doesn't work for me.
13:09<ary>SynrG, I tryed that.
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13:11<SynrG>ary: the question is really: do you know you use gdm3?
13:11<SynrG>you didn't answer that
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13:11<K-202>Hello. I have debian 8 and openjdk 64bit. I want to compile JavaMe app but it needs 32-bit. I installed 32-bit openjdk. What next? I probably need to change the default java VM/sdk somewhere
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13:19<ary>SynrG, I am shure. Is gdm3.
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13:21<ary>K-202, dpkg --add-architecture i386 then you must to install development 32bit librarie apt-get install pakage:i386
13:21<ary>K-202, before install the pakage run apt-get update first
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13:30<jessienewb>good evening everybody: im in the middle of an installation and have a short question. I am installing Debian 8.0 Jessie and it's asking me if i want Debian desktop environment or gnome or xfce, ... If i want Gnome 3, do i need to select GNOME or is "Debian desktop environment" enough? Thank you
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13:34<ary>jessienewb, Select Gnome3
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13:35<ary>SynrG, I am using GDM3 mate
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13:35<CaBa>hi
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13:37<jessienewb>ary: you can choose "debian desktop environment", gnome, xfce, kde and so on. but now i found out you dont need to select gnome, the debian deskopt environemnt IS gnome3 :) thank you anyways and have a good time
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13:40<CaBa>if i want to secure NFSv3 with IPSec - is there any way to make sure NFS doesn't run when the line isn't secured with IPSec?
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13:40<CaBa>I guess if I'm using IPSec in transport mode there isn't?
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13:41<ary>jessienewb, when i installed my jessie i selected gnome. lol
13:41<valdyn>CaBa: you bind to an ip that will go ipsec or not at all
13:42<valdyn>CaBa: do you really need to secure it using ipsec or is ipsec just your idea of a solution?
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13:43<jessienewb>ary: maybe you can choose now between gnome3 and gnome2 at login?
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13:46<valdyn>jessienewb: debian desktop environment includes gnome, its probably more than that
13:47<muep>my guess would have been that it is currently equivalent to selecting gnome
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13:47<muep>but in some future release, the same UI could give something else if the default changes and the user does not pick a specific desktop
13:47<ary>how can I change my login background???? I am using GDM3 and this: https://wiki.debian.org/GDM doesn't work for me. Any solution?
13:47<muep>this is just a guess, though
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13:48<CaBa>valdyn: more the latter i guess - is there a nicer solution? this is a really small setup and shouldn't require too much configuration / infrastructure
13:49<CaBa>valdyn: so you are saying i shouldn't use ipsec in transport mode but rather in tunnel mode and use a dedicated secure subnet?
13:49<valdyn>CaBa: or native nfs4 encryption
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13:50<CaBa>valdyn: nfs4 seems rather complex to set up compared to v3
13:50<valdyn>CaBa: souce or dest based routing is not really hard, even for a small setup
13:50<valdyn>CaBa: kerberos is hard, yes
13:50<CaBa>valdyn: and i read people are still using ipsec with v4
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13:50<CaBa>valdyn: there is no way to use v4 without authentication but with encryption?
13:51<valdyn>CaBa: ipsec is also a vpn, so uh, theres a difference too
13:51<secret>why not use openvpn
13:51<CaBa>secret: performance is a matter, too
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13:51<secret>so what, openvpn is fine
13:51<secret>is more secure i think
13:51<di0x>openvpn and self signed certificates its a headbreaker
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13:52<valdyn>CaBa: you *export* to specific ips, thats one solution to your problem, source or dest based routing is another
13:52<di0x>yes it is but you can run PPTPD with radvd too
13:52<CaBa>valdyn: well i'll see. thanks for the input on that
13:52<secret>OpenVPN has no major vulnerabilities and is considered extremely secure when used with a secure encryption algorithm such as AES.
13:52<di0x>silly method very valid
13:52<jessienewb>i read jessie supports uefi completly now but no secure boot. has uefi any advantages with debian?
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13:53<di0x>and came to any page online with the *excuse me* moco$oft windows.
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13:53<secret>CaBa: its default UDP mode on a reliable network OpenVPN should perform better than L2TP/IPSec.
13:53<valdyn>CaBa: i use source based routing to make sure some programs go via vpn while everything else does not. You however probably have a fixed set of destination ips, where you can just use /etc/exports
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13:55<di0x>i listen openvpn has moved the default port to.. 5000?
13:55<di0x>sure thing but i dont remember
13:56<secret>di0x: OpenVPN can be easily configured to run on any port using either UDP or TCP.
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13:56<di0x>yes but by default the team has changed the default base port on next version
13:56<di0x>i know i know i thinks its 1400 next will be 5000x?
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13:57<di0x>by default :)
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13:57<K-202>Enter a path to the Java 2 SDK: /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.7.0-openjdk-i386
13:57<K-202>./sun_java_wireless_toolkit-2_5_2-ml-linux.bin: 1: ./sun_java_wireless_toolkit-2_5_2-ml-linux.bin: /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.7.0-openjdk-i386/jre: Permission denied
13:57<K-202>no way to use 32-bit JVM?
13:57<secret>di0x: I did not know, so they move fra 1194 to 5000?
13:57<secret>di0x: do you have sounce on that?
13:57<di0x>yes
13:58<di0x>of course w8.
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13:58<ary>how can I change my login background???? I am using GDM3 and this: https://wiki.debian.org/GDM doesn't work for me. Any solution?
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13:59<di0x>Starting with version 2.0-beta17, OpenVPN's default port number has been changed from 5000 to 1194 per an official port assignment by IANA in November 2004.
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13:59<di0x>https://openvpn.net/compat.html
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13:59<secret>ary: go to /usr/share/backgrounds
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13:59<di0x>oh inverted world, it was reverse
14:00<secret>haha
14:00<blast007>ary: have you done any research for this yourself?
14:00<retrospectacus>ary: what is the problem with those instructions
14:00<secret>but well remembered
14:00<di0x>yeah also my finger has shasked
14:01<secret>haha
14:01<ary>retrospectacus, I changed and doesn't work. Login screen keeps with the same Background
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14:01<rss>anyone tried nvidia 346.59 driver on sid with 4.0 kernel
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14:01<secret>rss: why?
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14:01<secret>rss: is should work, if not try to dpkg reconfigure nvidia
14:02<rss>i have a hp zbook with nvidia k2100m graphics card and want to try a 4.0 kernel
14:02<blast007>rss: testing/unstable support is in #debian-next (as per topic)
14:02<ary>blast007, i done search mate. Found that wiki how to. If it is supoused to work, doesn't work on my jessie.
14:02<valdyn>rss: doesnt work
14:02<valdyn>rss: nvm, works
14:02<blast007>ary: "doesn't work" isn't enough context to work with
14:02<valdyn>rss: but not just with a debian kernel
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14:02<valdyn>rss: so.. roll your own
14:02<rss>oops sorry wrong channel appolgies
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14:04<ary>blast007, here is my greeter.dconf-defaults: http://paste.debian.net/172130/
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14:05<secret>ary: picture-uri='file:///usr/share/images/desktop-base/debian-login-wallpaper.jpg'
14:05<secret>why .jpg?
14:05<blast007>ary: dconf, or gconf?
14:05<secret>is should be png
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14:09<blast007>may just be a typo on the wiki (it says gconf-defaults, not dconf-defaults)
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14:10<ary>secret, jpg doesnt work??
14:10<ary>blast007, dconf
14:11<rtype>hello all!
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14:11<elbuenperrito>burp burp
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14:13<rtype>I have a squid3 with ntlm authentication on AD 2012, all is running good. But the authentication transactions between squid and AD are not encrypted. I search on the web but i have no idea about how can i solve this. Can everyone help me for this please ?
14:14<ary>blast007, on my wheezy is dconf-defaults
14:14<ary>lets see if it helps: http://paste.debian.net/172138/
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14:15<blast007>like I said, it's probably a typo on the wiki
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14:18<blast007>Actually looks like it might just be outdated information. Squeeze used gconf-defaults, but wheezy and newer uses dconf-defaults.
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14:20<ElDiabloWar3Evo>I had suspend working in debian 7, but when i upgraded to debian 8.. suspend no longer works. The button is gone from gnome, and using the "hold ALT" then press power button to suspend locks up my system and I can't get back online via keyboard, mouse, or tapping the power switch (if you press and hold it turns off the system)
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14:23<ary>blast007, there is no solution for my case?
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14:27<ElDiabloWar3Evo>how do i install the old suspend system from debian 7 into debian 8?
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14:32<duende>hola a tod@s
14:33<duende>tengo un problema con las x que no me inician
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14:33<duende>cuento un poco lo que me a sucedido
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14:34<duende>estaba instalado las ultimas actualizaciones de debian jessie y al hacer un dist-upgrade a la hora de reiniciar el sistema ya no levantaba el entorno grafico
14:35<duende>ahora tengo la version sid pero no se como volver a jessie
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14:35<duende>alguien puede echarme una mano? ya e probado a reconfigurar las x pero me sigue sin funcionar
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14:36<valdyn>ElDiabloWar3Evo: have you tried running "systemctl suspend" ?
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14:37<ElDiabloWar3Evo>i'll go try that
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14:39<jean_brat>hi
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14:47<Maxow>Hey, I am going to take a Digital Ocean server soon, any one wants to give me his referral link ?
14:49<l4mbd4>I don't have one, but I'm appreciating your kindness
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14:51<Maxow>This chanel helped me quite a lot in the past, it's the easiest way for me to help someone in return
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14:55<l4mbd4>That's a great attitude, not all people are like that...
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14:56<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Test
14:57<babilen>FAILED
14:57<lostatwork>ing
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14:58<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Systemctl suspend works, but what do you suggest to have a script to do that and logout before it suspends?
14:58<babilen>ElDiabloWar3Evo: Please don't do this in support channels such as this one
14:58<ElDiabloWar3Evo>I was testing my name sorry
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14:59<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Any suggestions on having Debian logout after the command systemctl suspend?
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15:00<l4mbd4>Doesn't it have to switch the runlevel to make suspend happen? Maybe that's astarting point, but I am no expert
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15:01<valdyn>ElDiabloWar3Evo: this was just to see if suspend is broken or only your interface to suspend is broken
15:01<valdyn>ElDiabloWar3Evo: obviously its the 2nd
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15:02<ElDiabloWar3Evo>What do you suggest to fix the suspend system on the login screen?
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15:02<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Valdyn: is there a configuration file to fix it?
15:04<retrospectacus>why would you want to be logged out on suspend? That's not what suspend is
15:05<valdyn>he probably means screen lock
15:06<valdyn>ElDiabloWar3Evo: you tried alt-poweroff Icon? or did you hit the actual pc power button?
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15:10<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Valdyn: alt-power. There was no suspend button
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15:10<RudeViper>Reinstalled and getting the same error - this time I know for a fact I didn't pull the usb drive out - it's still in
15:10<ElDiabloWar3Evo>When I pressed the combo it showed a pause button
15:11<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Valdyn: Is the pause icon suspend?
15:13<ElDiabloWar3Evo>When pressed, it would blank my monitor and still be running .. It never suspended. I had to hard power off .. No buttons would get me out of the lockup
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15:13<ElDiabloWar3Evo>I have it 5 minutes before doing a hard power off.
15:14<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Have - gave
15:15<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Suspend is usually instant with no issues, although hibernate has never worked
15:15<awal>Midori crashes opening some websites like www.wordreference.com if advertisements blocker (adblock plus) extension is activated. Deactivated that extension all works fine, no crash. I want report a bug but I no understand what happens exactly. Launching Midori via terminal I get this http://paste.debian.net/172167 Any clarifications?
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15:16<ElDiabloWar3Evo>What is midori?
15:16<l4mbd4>It reports a segmentation fault at the end
15:16<ElDiabloWar3Evo>If it is a browser, why not just use iceweasel?
15:16<awal>midori is a web browser
15:17<awal>yeah I use iceweasel, but trying things ...
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15:17<l4mbd4>If he wants to use midori, let him use midori
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15:17<abrotman>awal: so file a bug, ask the maintainer how to get more information
15:17<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Just saying. Iceweasel is very solid.
15:17<l4mbd4>I mean he wasn't really asking "What alternatives are there to midori" but what the logs mean
15:18<ElDiabloWar3Evo>L4mbd4: your right
15:18<awal>l4mbd4: +1 :)
15:19<di0x>firefox 31 here
15:19<di0x>chromium is not the same since 6 months ago
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15:20<awal>ElDiabloWar3Evo: just let you know that I run Firefox/iceweasel as default webbrowser since it's first release...
15:20<di0x>they dont load the news of rt plugin
15:20<di0x>firefos does chromium/chrome doesnt
15:20<awal>abrotman: oh, ok, so I can just past that in the bug and ask for more info in the bug?
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15:21<di0x>chromium is a NSA browser since 2015
15:21<abrotman>you ask how *you* can provide more info
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15:21<awal>ok, ok.
15:21<di0x>well i meant is not clean
15:21<di0x>its like if you use a proxy with firefox
15:21<di0x>they can watch
15:22<di0x>a third party is watching no joking
15:22<di0x>use firefox meow
15:23<di0x>also you can use a privoxy with a tunnebroker and get fallback
15:23<di0x>just try
15:23<di0x>brb coffee is there! with ice cubes arent jelaous.
15:24<abrotman>!enter
15:24<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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15:25<di0x>also have you created a client certificate with ...+.......++.........+..+.....+ ?
15:25<di0x>very random just kidding?
15:25<di0x>manually :=P
15:26<di0x>you can disgrace your old identity by simply writing dots and + on a freeshell service3
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15:26<di0x>time stimated: 2 minutes
15:26<retrospectacus>di0x: unless you have a debian question or answer, take it elsewhere
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15:26<di0x>okay
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15:42<awal>Installing jessie without access to internet using dvd1 image installs gnome by default and tasksel doesn't give choice for choose another DE :( Now I have to reinstall again. tab for edit command line and put desktop=xfce at the installer boot prompt still supported in jessie installer?
15:43<SamB_laptop>awal: does dvd1 have others on it?
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15:48<awal>SamB_laptop: Not sure. With internet access (wired cable plugged and network mirrors configured tasksel gives choice (gnome, kde, xfce, mate, cinnamon and lxde) . if no internet, no choice, only gnome. I think that only gnome is included, if one select xfce or another DE, that choosen DE is downloaded durring installation
15:48<babilen>I used the netinst and tasksel had different DE offerings in the "Desktop" task ...
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15:48<babilen>The installers should be the same, just with a different preselection .. so I wonder why it wasn't offered to you
15:48<babilen>(maybe just expert, havne't used anything else in years)
15:49<SamB_laptop>perhaps dvd1 assumes it won't have access to the 'net
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15:49<SamB_laptop>which, to be fair, awal did state was the case
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15:51<awal>probably yeah. I was expecting that the dvd1 (large image) will include all DE as with wheezy, but it's not the case.
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15:53<awal>for me it's ok, I can use netinst, but I'm going to travel and where i'm going there is no internet and I want do some debian install for friends
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16:03<SamB_laptop>awal: perhaps if we were to push KDE and GNOME down to DVD2, the rest would fit on DVD1 ;-P
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16:05<awal>SamB_laptop: thats a good idea yeah. 80% of world still with old hardware and have no access to internet all the time. so sound's good your idea
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16:06<awal>I'm traveling exactly to Algeria. there internet speed still at 1mb. 80% of people go to cyber-internet for connect to the web. using netinst is a big deal
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16:08<awal>World isn't only Europe and Noth America. Being universal as it want to be, Debian project should consider that, I think so
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16:15<l4mbd4>But don't forget it's already great :) You could forget that with windows e.g. anyways
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16:22<awal>I prefer the wheezy installer. one can select advanced option durring installer boot prompt and select the DE he wants. I believe it's a space problem, gnome, kde, xfce, lxde, cinnamon and mate can't fit all together in the dvd1. probably soon individual dvd images will be available for each DE as it's done in the past
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16:26<SamB_laptop>awal: or, who knows, dvd1+dvd2 might be all you need -- it does offer to scan additional discs, right?
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16:29<SamB_laptop>awal: oh, there are some alternates for CD-1 though
16:29<SamB_laptop>now idea how comprehensive those are
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16:31<SamB_laptop>er. s/now/no/
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16:31*SamB_laptop wonders how you're supposed to know whether you need packages from a given disc without downloading it
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16:33<mica>je tam slovak?
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16:34<Maxow>Hey, I am going to take a Digital Ocean server soon, any one wants to give me his referral link ?
16:34<devil>Maxow: english only
16:34<devil>err
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16:34<devil>mica: english only
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16:34<mica>chod do pice!!
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16:35<Maxow>devil : I tought you were telling me that my English is terrible x)
16:36<devil>Maxow: nope, you just came in when I started writing, so autocomplete picked you :)
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16:39<peterS>SamB_laptop: in general there's no convenient way to know. The disc contents are ordered by popularity, so that most packages you want are on the first few discs
16:39<mica>norland and slovak 3/2
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16:40<peterS>SamB_laptop: most people, though, rely on just-in-time Internet download of individual packages. The physical media, while still important in certain use cases, is much less used today than 20 years ago. Beyond the installer, that is.
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16:52<awal>SamB_laptop: No, installer doesn't offer to scan additional cd's/dvd's. But later I download dvd2 and see what includes, pretty sure it includes only extra package. I'll see...
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16:54<awal>that's true, in the past debian installer ask's for scan additional cd/dvd. i wonder why the jessie one doesn't
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16:55<mogullex>hi
16:55<mogullex>hola
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16:55<mogullex>i need help with my linux ...
16:56<retrospectacus>!ask
16:56<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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17:12<zenith>Hi. Do you ppl use debian for bank errands? Just checking how secure debian is =)
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17:14<mogullex>?Ç???
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17:15<zenith>Just checking if its safe to do that. I wont but im just curious if ppl use it to pay bills and stuff like that =)
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17:16<Texou>hi. Does someone use weechat to connect here? and ssl?
17:18<myztic>zenith Debian is a "secure" OS, but the biggest insecurity most of the time is the user anyways. So yes, you can do all of those things with Debian (naturally)
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17:19<emer>#Debian-it
17:20<Texou>hmmm
17:20<zenith>cool. thanks. I have read the links i got before about not to break debian. it was good reading =) im a bit careful (dont know better word in english) when testing out new stuff =)
17:20<log_hhl>Texou: i am
17:20<log_hhl>using weechat with ssl and cert
17:20<myztic>Texou You know there is a #weechat on Freenode?
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17:21<Texou>log_hhl: oh nice. Could you tell me why Weechat says
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17:21<Texou>myztic: right, I tried, not success. It seems the problem is related to certs in Debian
17:21<Texou>because what I get is what I show above, but also "gnutls: this cert isn't trusted"
17:22<l4mbd4>let's ask the other way around zenith, what are you using currently
17:22<zenith>l4mbd4: Windows on main computor
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17:26<l4mbd4>let's phrase it like that: i doubt that windows is more insecure than debian
17:26<l4mbd4>ah nooo, i meant SECURE
17:26<l4mbd4>:D
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17:26<zenith>hehe i read it ones, then twise.. and had a few thoughts :P
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17:27<awal>:D
17:27<zenith>..but i get the point =) Just need to get to know this new way before i feel comfy =)
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17:30<awal>zenith: any gnu/linux OS is more secure then windows/mac, and debian is considered one of the most secure and rock solid gnu/linux OS. but all that depends on your habits in the jungle web. ther is no a 100% secure system. google "securing debian"
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17:32<zenith>awal: i know enough to know that no system is 100% secure, and that in most cases its the user that "destroys" the security by bad habits and installing all kind of sh*t. Ill do that, thanks =)
17:32<log_hhl>Texou: sorry didn't have that problem here, but did you import the cert?
17:32<di0x>indeed zenith
17:33<di0x>my debian allowed a rule iptables --to-source PTR
17:33<Texou>log_hhl: hmm maybe not. I have just discovered a tutorial about this, I try to follow it
17:33<di0x>7.0 3.2
17:33<log_hhl>Texou: http://www.oftc.net/NickServ/CertFP/ this one?
17:33<di0x>a ptr have letters
17:33<di0x>anyone have idea why si so possible
17:34<di0x>im using the ptr right now
17:34<Texou>log_hhl: http://www.oftc.net/NickServ/CertFP/#automatically-identifying-using-ssl--certfp
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17:35<log_hhl>Texou: thats OK, if you have problems with it -> #oftc and ask there
17:35<Texou>ok thanks
17:35<log_hhl>np
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17:37<zenith>im off now. thanks for all the help. much apprishiated =) cya later
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17:46<di0x>awar :D~
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17:46<di0x>where are you from?
17:46<di0x><awar> Moscow
17:46<awar>diOx
17:47<awar>i'm not
17:47-!-paxmark9 [~paxtormar@198.144.158.14] has joined #debian
17:47<di0x>i know i was kidding
17:47<di0x>italia berlusconiana?
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17:47<awar>diOx you speack italian language?
17:48<di0x>no molto prego
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17:48<awar>ok, my english is very bad
17:49<Corsov>Good evening to everyone
17:49<di0x>il mio italio e horroroso piu nostri podimo parlare en il privado
17:49<retrospectacus>hi Corsov
17:49<awar>So, in this moment we have a servant of the banks
17:49<Corsov>What's going on, guys?
17:49<retrospectacus>!chat
17:49<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
17:50<di0x>excusi
17:50<Corsov>!chat
17:50<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
17:50<di0x>comprendido
17:50<awar>ops. We must change the room
17:50<awar>##chat
17:50<di0x>awar piu parlare en il #moocows
17:50<di0x>isto no is el freenode
17:51<di0x>k
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17:56<lith_>hello
17:57<l4mbd4>hi there
17:57<lith_>need some repo help sud apt-get is spiting errors
17:57<lith_>W: GPG error: http://www.deb-multimedia.org testing InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 5C808C2B65558117
17:57<lith_>W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs:
17:57<lith_>7638D0442B90D010
17:57<lith_>W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs:
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17:57<l4mbd4>You have to import the gpg key from deb-multimedia
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17:58<di0x>apt-get install debian-keyring
17:58<di0x>gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 1F41B907
17:58<di0x>gpg --armor --export 1F41B907 | apt-key add -
17:59<di0x>mm not sure if work? please check my source first https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1139127/how-to-trust-a-apt-repository-debian-apt-get-update-error-public-key-is-not-av
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18:00<di0x>just http://openwritings.net/content/public/excerpt/gpg-error-nopubkey-5c808c2b65558117
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18:01<di0x>ah kick
18:01<di0x>sorry
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18:18<eg>hey ddudes
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18:19<eg>hey d
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18:19<Guest4384>eg: Hey
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18:19<eg>wassup
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18:19<Guest4384>eg: My nickname doesn't appear to be d any more
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18:20<eg>how r u dude?
18:20<retrospectacus>eg, Guest4384 do either of you have a Debian question?
18:20<eg>yeah
18:20<retrospectacus>!ask
18:20<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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18:20<retrospectacus>chatting is not allowed.
18:20<eg>whas better debiyan or ubuntu?
18:20<retrospectacus>debian of course.
18:21<Guest4384>retrospectacus: Yes.
18:21<eg>even better than trusty tahr?
18:21<eg>that would be a big claim
18:21<retrospectacus>immensely better
18:21<retrospectacus>if you want to discuss further, go to #linux - it is not a debian support issue
18:22<eg>hmmm, could u maybe give me a few reasons why - I am wanting to change to debiyan, but need to face ridicule of co-workers
18:22<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell eg about why debian
18:22<Guest4384>I was installing Debian 8.0 to a laptop computer. The installation of additional software failed. Now I have no graphical user interface. How do I fix this?
18:22<eg>then how r u seeing what we are typing?
18:22<Guest4384>Debian boots fine but it's hard to use
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18:23<eg>Try reinstall another version - probably a bug in the software or something of the version 8.0
18:23<eg>Its quite a common problem with that version
18:24<Guest4384>eg: I don't think I should trust you
18:24<retrospectacus>good call Guest4384
18:24<eg>Dont trust anonymous starngers on the internet - common sense
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18:26<retrospectacus>Guest4384: propably need to upgrade your video drivers, or just try a different desktop environment
18:27<eg>I have debian squeeze installed - giving numerous problems - what to do?
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18:28<eg>hey h
18:28<retrospectacus>!squeeze
18:28<dpkg>Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" was released on 2011-02-06 and is the <oldoldstable> release: http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110205a . Squeeze security support ended on 2014-05-31, but ask me about <squeeze-lts>. Squeeze is the three-eyed space alien. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze ; ask me about <install squeeze> <squeeze release notes> <lenny->squeeze>. Currently <6.0.10>. Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager.
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18:28<eg>I use squeeze cause of its hacking capabilitites
18:28<h>hola :)
18:28<retrospectacus>eg: upgrade to wheezy, then jessie
18:29<retrospectacus>eg: those won't go anywhere
18:29<eg>not a fan of jessie
18:29<eg>also had a slew of problems
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18:29<eg>h - m o f?
18:30<tattoli>fly away troll
18:30<eg>hey tatolli
18:30<eg>wassup?
18:30<retrospectacus>chatting is not allowed.
18:30-!-mode/#debian [+o SynrGy] by ChanServ
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18:30<Guest4384>retrospectacus: Do I have to do the install again?
18:30<retrospectacus>Guest4384: no
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18:31<Akronym>Guest4384, probably no... but could you be a bit more verbose on 1.) how you installed debian 2.) any errors during installation 3.) what hardware do you run debian on?
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18:31<Guest4384>There were two things checked in the additional software list, default desktop environment and basic system programs or something like that. Could I install those groups post-installation?
18:32<retrospectacus>Guest4384: yes but you already did
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18:32<Guest4384>I installed from a USB flash drive with netinst.iso
18:33<retrospectacus>Guest4384: do you have a file /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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18:33<Guest4384>I had network connection. Everything went fine until that stage of installing additional software. The installer spent like an hour downloading 1500 different packages and when it finished it said it failed. So I did it again and unchecked everything. That's why I have nothing.
18:33<SynrGy>you said "The installation of additional software failed". did you not have network at the time?
18:34<SynrGy>sounds like you either had no network, or for some other reason couldn't contact the mirror you selected
18:34<SynrGy>ah
18:34<SynrGy>di you have limited space?
18:34<SynrGy>do*
18:35<Akronym>or he just thinks it didn't work as gfx has issues and only tty login works
18:35<Guest4384>I have 40 GB of disk space. It's a Fujitsu Siemens Amilo laptop computer with like 500 MB of RAM and an i386 type processor.
18:35<retrospectacus>Guest4384: do you have networking now?
18:35<Guest4384>I have networking now
18:35<SynrGy>i see. "when it finished it said it failed". was the message no more specific than that?
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18:37<Guest4384>SynrGy: Not really. Big warning sign and I don't remember what else. I choosed "Next" but it took me to the list of different installation stages. Additional software stage was highlighted so when I pressed "Next" again, the list appeared again and I unchecked everything because I just wanted to get over with it.
18:38<Akronym>A lot of windows metality :)
18:38<Akronym>mentality even
18:38<retrospectacus>Guest4384: you can install a desktop of your choice and/or look into your video drivers, which may be neccesary for certain choices of desktop
18:39<Guest4384>I don't think it told me any specific reason for the failure. I would have written it down
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18:40<Guest4384>retrospectacus: What about the basic system programs? What was in there?
18:40<Akronym>Guest4384, in general the error messages are helpful, maybe not for everyone on this planet, but it would have been nice to see if one in here could have read the error message ;)
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18:41<retrospectacus>Guest4384: you can run "tasksel" as root to use that screen again
18:41-!-mode/#debian [+o SynrGy] by ChanServ
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18:44<SynrGy>Guest4384: in /var/log/installer/ are logs from your install
18:44<SynrGy>Guest4384: might be clues in there as to the specific nature of the failure
18:45<SynrGy>Guest4384: specifically, tasksel --new-install
18:46<SynrGy>(sorry, that last statement was clarifying the tip retrospectacus gave)
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18:47<RudeViper>what is Expert Install? What does that mean exactly on Debian 8?
18:47<Guest4384>retrospectacus: You asked whether I have /var/log/Xorg.0.log. It doesn't seem so.
18:47<Akronym>RudeViper, more control over the installation, more questions, more experience needed.
18:48-!-mode/#debian [+l 755] by debhelper
18:48<RudeViper>Akronym: thanks
18:49<SynrGy>RudeViper: a better question is "is there something in there i need?" and the answer is "probably not", but if you can be more specific, we can help
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18:50<retrospectacus>Guest4384: then indeed you haven't installed a desktop environment (or at least haven't tried to run it)
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18:51<Guest4384>SynrGy: Ah, yes, there are logs there. I did try restarting the install afterwards to see whether I could only do the additional software part. I don't know if that messed up the logs.
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18:51<SynrGy>Guest4384: possibly
18:52<Guest4384>retrospectacus: Yes, when I booted after the installation just a tty appeared and asked for login credentials. The username and password work.
18:52<SynrGy>Guest4384: did you run the installer twice, or just go back to a prior step without exiting?
18:53<Guest4384>SynrGy: run it twice
18:53<Guest4384>didn't finish the second time
18:53<Guest4384>because it started asking for the partitioning again
18:53<SynrGy>so if you see timestamps consistent only with your second attempt then yeah, the earlier logs are probably lost
18:53<SynrGy>but if you see timestamps consistent with only your first attempt, then you can check for the errors there
18:54<SynrGy>i think the logs are only saved at the end
18:54<Guest4384>Actually I don't have internet connection right now. It seems too complicated to set up the WLAN
18:54<Guest4384>I'll guess I'll try
18:54<retrospectacus>Guest4384: if you are using netinst with no network, installing anything additional probably won't work
18:55<retrospectacus>best bet is to get Ethernet
18:55<Guest4384>retrospectacus: WLAN was much easier to set up in the Graphical installation, you know?
18:55<Guest4384>and it did spend a lot of time downloading packages
18:55<SynrGy>graphical or text install, doesn't matter. they both have the same stuff for setting up WLAN
18:56<SynrGy>but yes, setting up wifi either in the installer or desktop is easier
18:57<retrospectacus>in your current situation if you don't want to reinstall again, Ethernet would help a lot
18:58<Guest4384>retrospectacus: I don't have it. I'm reading the Debian Wiki to learn to set up the WLAN in my new Debian.
18:58<retrospectacus>ok. let us know if you have questions
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19:00<Guest4384>What's a wireless mode?
19:01<SynrGy>as in "Managed" vs "Ad-Hoc"?
19:01<Guest4384>I'm adding the line wireless-mode [MODE] to the interfaces file
19:01<retrospectacus>you want managed
19:01<SynrGy>which is probably the default anyway
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19:02<Guest4384>oh? ok
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19:03<retrospectacus>it is the way you want the radio to behave. Managed (client of master), Master (AP with clients), or ad-hoc (peer-to-peer, no master)
19:04<Guest4384>So I did # ifup wlan0. After several DHCPDISCOVERs I got "No DHCPOFFERS received. No working leases in persistent database - sleeping." What's wrong?
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19:06<Akronym>Guest4384, it means the system did ask for an ip address, but did not get one. Possible reason: wlan setup wrong
19:07<Guest4384>I made my Wi-Fi open for this to be easier. I put wireless-essid [ESSID] in the interfaces file.
19:07<SynrG>probably needs wpasupplicant for WPA
19:07<Akronym>Guest4384, oops... never do that, it is not much harder with wpa, just one option more (max two)
19:08<SynrG>well, i wouldn't say "never", but it's risky
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19:08<Akronym>SynrG, different levels of paranoia apply ;)
19:09<retrospectacus>you could put a static IP and gateway (and dns server(s) in /etc/resolv.conf) to skip DHCP
19:09<Akronym>I doubt dhcp is the issue here
19:09<SynrG>don't use any punctation with the wireless-essid, i think ... just a space
19:09<SynrG>that's one way to screw it up
19:09<Guest4384>Akronym: max two? There's like 6 steps in the WPA-PSK here https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line
19:11<Guest4384>SynrGy: the ESSID is just like "A123" so no problem with that
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19:12<SynrG>i mean, no quotation marks around the value, for instance
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19:13<SynrG>i didn't mean embedded punctuation
19:13<SynrG>so, e.g. wireless-essid A123
19:13<Akronym>Guest4384, I see two, wpa-essid and wpa-psk
19:14<Guest4384>My /etc/network/interfaces has "# my wifi device / iface wlan0 inet dhcp / wireless-essid A123 / wireless-mode managed"
19:14<Guest4384>ok redoing the commands worked. I have connection
19:14<SynrG>what was different the second time?
19:15<Akronym>Guest4384, make a note: don't forget to switch to encrypted wireless later on, basically asap.
19:15<Guest4384>Order? Restarting the wireless router? Either of those.
19:15<Akronym>brb
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19:16<SynrG>k
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19:17<Guest4384>Akronym: you see two? what about "Restrict the permissions of /etc/network/interfaces, to prevent pre-shared key (PSK) disclosure (alternatively use a separate config file such as /etc/network/interfaces.d/wlan0 on newer Debian versions)", "Use the WPA passphrase to calculate the correct WPA PSK hash for your SSID" etc. Why are those steps in the article?
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19:18<SynrGy>Guest4384: question: does this system move?
19:19<quentusrex>Anyone know of a 'decent' way to get the Nvidia driver 346 or higher installed onto a jessie system?
19:19<SynrGy>if it is mobile, you probably don't want to configure it with a single static key anyway
19:19<Guest4384>Akronym: I will switch to mobile broadband when graphical user interface is installed. the router is just temporary anyway.
19:19<quentusrex>experimental is only at 343 right now...
19:19<quentusrex>GTX 960 card needs 346 or higher...
19:19<SynrGy>i would either use a wireless manager (preferred)
19:19<Guest4384>SynrGy: move as in travel the Earth? yes
19:19<SynrGy>or else wpasupplicant (a little bit trickier, but not bad)
19:20<SynrGy>once you get the desktop installed, you'll probably just want to use NetworkManager which will be installed by default
19:20<SynrGy>you'll tear out the /etc/network/interfaces stuff
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19:21<Guest4384>SynrGy: Of course. I wouldn't use the console if it wasn't the only option.
19:21<Guest4384>SynrGy: I will tear out it? I don't understand.
19:21<SynrGy>NetworkManager wholly replaces configuration via /etc/network/interfaces
19:22<SynrGy>in fact, NM will ignore any interface mentioned in /e/n/i by default
19:22<ragnarok>hi. i use pbuilder to build package as default... im research how to pass a enviroment variable to insede the chroot hanlde bu dpkg-buildpackage... i know that i can set the dpkg-buildpackage options
19:22<SynrGy>so you need to remove the lines you added for NM to be able to even consider that interface eligible for use
19:22<Guest4384>SynrGy: Is this in reply to the WPA-PSK steps in the Wiki that I pointed out?
19:22<SynrGy>it's in reference to my line that precedes it:
19:22<ragnarok>i mean , pass variable to dpkg-buildpackage inside the chroot
19:23<SynrGy>20:20 < SynrGy> once you get the desktop installed, you'll probably just want to use NetworkManager which will be installed by default
19:23<Guest4384>SynrGy: Oh, right, ok. So I can't just forget the lines that I wrote? I have to manually delete them afterwards?
19:23<SynrGy>yes, you will have to go back in there and manually delete them
19:23<SynrGy>otherwise the normal GUI configuration of Wi-Fi won't work
19:23<Guest4384>SynrGy: Ok thanks for telling me
19:24<SynrGy>,v nvidia-driver
19:24<judd>Package: nvidia-driver on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.65-2~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.65-2; sid/non-free: 340.76-1; stretch/non-free: 340.76-1; experimental/non-free: 343.36-1
19:25<SynrGy>quentusrex: so yeah, as you said, there is no package ... so, no "decent" way yet
19:25<quentusrex>SynrGy, so I checked in the upstream, and in the package git repo it appears to be setup to support the 346 release
19:25<quentusrex>I'm trying to build that version of the package now
19:26<Guest4384>The tasksel --new-install command is good. It's now installing. Though "2h 17min" remaining again.
19:26<SynrGy>fun
19:26<Guest4384>I'll go outside. Thanks for the help.
19:26<SynrGy>no problem, and good luck
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19:31<SynrGy>quentusrex: hm. that driver is a month old. it's anyone's guess if-or-when it will be packaged and uploaded to experimental
19:32<d3crypt>I am having trouble with the touchpad drivers on Jessie
19:32<d3crypt>anyone else had any similar issues?
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20:02<quentusrex>SynrGy, looks like the upstream svn repo for the package has the foundations for the 346 driver release
20:02<quentusrex>I'm testing that branch now
20:02<quentusrex>thanks
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20:17<mark_infinite>hello?
20:17<retrospectacus>mark_infinite: welcome to #debian
20:18<mark_infinite>can anyone help me with java?
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20:18<musca>hello mark_infinite
20:19<mark_infinite>hi
20:19<retrospectacus>for Java programming help, try ##java on freenode. If you have questions about installing it on debian or so, ask here
20:19<mark_infinite>ty
20:19<mark_infinite>freenode?
20:19<mark_infinite>another server?
20:20<retrospectacus>yes. type /server chat.freenode.net ..then after it connects up, /j ##java
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20:20<mark_infinite>ty very much retrospectacus. I appreciate that :)
20:20<retrospectacus>np. Good luck
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20:31<buddybenj>I want to enable the root user (which is the default setting in Debian), but I can't because I need root permission to enable root :/
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20:32<buddybenj>and sudo gives me bash: sudo: command not found
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20:34<Ir0nsh007er>su
20:34<Ir0nsh007er>apt-get install sudo
20:35<buddybenj>su asks for the password for the root account, which isn't enabled
20:35<buddybenj>and apt-get asks for the root account aswell
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20:39<buddybenj>I guess I could re-install debian, but that would take a while
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20:42<blast007>buddybenj: If you install debian without a root password, it installs sudo. If you install with a root password, it does not install sudo. (At least with Wheezy and Jessie)
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20:44<Akronym>buddybenj, or use a live distro from a cd or usb which supports "chroot" (all should do I guess) and use chroot to "enter" your debian installation as root user, which can then set a password for himself
20:44<buddybenj>I installed with a root password, then accidentally disabled the root user
20:44<buddybenj>so, now I don't have sudo or a root password
20:46<awal>Amd64 iso image supports installation in uefi mode (tried it and all fine), not very sure about i386 (seems that it supports installation in uefi mode too). What about multiarch iso? should it should support uefi too ehm, as both amd64/i386 do it?
20:46<awal>a stupid question, obvious maybe but wanna be sure ;)
20:47<buddybenj>Also, if I do choose to have a root account, is it recommended that I use sudo? Or should I just log in to root whenever I want to do a root command?
20:47<Akronym>buddybenj, almost a religious question... both have advantages and disadvantages (if one wants to call it that)
20:47<di0x>you always edit /etc/sudoers
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20:48<di0x>i have sudo enabled
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20:48<blast007>you don't edit that file directly. You run 'visudo' to edit it.
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20:48<di0x>aha
20:48<buddybenj>visudo says command not found
20:48<di0x>well i edit with nano good to know
20:49<di0x>nano /etc/sudoers
20:49<blast007>buddybenj: well, right, you don't have sudo installed :)
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20:49<di0x>root ALL blabla
20:49<Akronym>buddybenj, visudo belongs to sudo, sudo not installed == visudo not available
20:49<di0x>add your username down root changing root for your account
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20:50<Akronym>buddybenj, as said, chroot is probably the fastest / easiest way to set either a root password or install sudo
20:50<di0x>i miss debian chroot i used arch-chroot..
20:50<blast007>di0x: he doesn't have sudo installed. and again, don't tell people to edit the file directly. and visudo doesn't necessarily use vi to edit it. (on my wheezy box with default settings, it uses nano)
20:50<di0x>okkkk
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20:51<buddybenj>Akronym: That would require me making a live CD, which would probably take longer than just re installing.
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20:51<buddybenj>So, why does debian not install sudo if you choose to make a root account? I would assume root is not recommended if you already have a root acount?
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20:52<Akronym>buddybenj, your call... but grml-small (the live distro I'd suggest) needs only 250MB... can't be more than a complete install
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20:52<theycallmescrublord>Is this an alright channel to ask for help or would there be a more appropriate channel?
20:53<buddybenj>OK. Also, what is the difference between su and su -?
20:53<Guest4384>theycallmescrublord: This is an alright channel for Debian help.
20:53<Akronym>buddybenj, every gnu/linux system has *always* a root account, it basically can't work without. That said, you HAVE a root account, the system itself uses it all the time, you just can't access it.
20:54<buddybenj>ah, thanks for the clarification
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20:55<Akronym>buddybenj, and you can't access it... well... one could say it is a bug, but on the other hand, debian may not always protect a user to shoot in his own foot, so... ;)
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20:57<buddybenj>OK, but I don't understand the difference between su and su -
20:57<rjsalts>Akronym: not entirely true, you could have other accounts that have been given parts of roots powers with the linux capabilities
20:57<rjsalts>buddybenj: the one with the - is a login shell
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20:58<Akronym>rjsalts, true... in that case that user would be root in those situations, just with a different name.
20:58<rjsalts>Akronym: or, with a specific power of root
20:58<buddybenj>Thanks.
20:58<Akronym>buddybenj, simply said, "su -" loads all roots user variables, "su" doesn't
20:59<theycallmescrublord>I am having an issue installing the build environment for mozilla firefox android and it goes through and then prompts me to install packages i continue and it throws me this error, http://pastebin.com/WaSd3y15 , I asked some people over at mozilla's IRC servers and one guy said that it looks like apt is trying to un-stub it.
20:59<Akronym>buddybenj, if in doubt, use "su -"
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21:00<buddybenj>One more question, if I have a root account (that I can access), is there any point to making my account an administrator account? What is the difference between root and administrator?
21:01<Akronym>buddybenj, depends how one (you?) wants to see it. You can say a user that is allowed to use "sudo" is an adminstrative account
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21:02<somiaj>buddybenj: depends on what you mean by administrator account. How many adminstratiors you have, and so forth.
21:02<Akronym>buddybenj, don't confuse the windows thing, where every user can get administrative rights and essentially become "root" (as windows calls him "Administrator")
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21:03<rjsalts>in the gnome gui an admin user is someone with sudo access
21:03<buddybenj>Ah, thanks.
21:04<Akronym>buddybenj, in the linux-world, root is THE adminstrative account / role, whilst "adminstrator" is just a word that may mean several things but has no real meaning historically for linux
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21:05<rjsalts>you could give yourself every linux cap, but that would be a bad idea
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21:05<buddybenj>Also, why is sudo safer is nobody needs to know the root password? Wouldn't that make it less safe since people who don't know the root password can run things as root?
21:06<rjsalts>you need to be given access in /etc/sudoers
21:06<Akronym>buddybenj, that depends how you set-up sudo... it may ask for the users password before it runs any command
21:06<rjsalts>and you can lock it down to individual commands
21:07<rjsalts>i.e. bob can only run sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 reload
21:07<Akronym>buddybenj, if you are the only user and your own "adminsitrator", the difference is rather theoratical
21:08<rjsalts>s/i.e./e.g./
21:09<buddybenj>Akronym: But then the user just has to know their own password instead of the root password, so I don't see how that's any safer?
21:10<Akronym>buddybenj, and you can use su / sudo at the same time, so you may choose after some time using both which method to get root rights you prefer
21:10<Akronym>buddybenj, who says it's safer? It really depends how you configure sudo AND how you behave.
21:10<rjsalts>buddybenj: because they don't get the privilege automatically a nefarious program can't take over the whole computer, just the user account
21:10<rjsalts>buddybenj: at least in theory
21:11<rjsalts>whereas running as root the nefarious program can do anything
21:11<rjsalts>unless you've confined it with selinux policies or something
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21:12<Akronym>does jessie install and enable selinux by default?
21:12<rjsalts>I don't think so
21:12<Akronym>anyway, good night folks...
21:14<buddybenj>Isn't the point of root to make it so only people who know the root password can run commands that require root? Where's the safety if any user can run a root command just by knowing their own password (because every user knows their own password)?)
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21:15<theycallmescrublord>I am running into issues with a stub-package, does anybody have any ideas on how I can track them down and fix them?
21:16<rjsalts>buddybenj: only people who're in the sudoers file will be able to run sudo to invoke the commands they're allowed to run as the user they're allowed to impersonate
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21:17<buddybenj>So in gnome making a user an administrator just gives them access to sudo?
21:17<rjsalts>buddybenj: yes
21:17<imMute>buddybenj: also, with sudo you can restrict what commands users can run. if they know the root password, they can run *anything*.
21:17<buddybenj>Alright, that makes sense.
21:18<buddybenj>So, administrator is pointless if you don't have sudo
21:18<rjsalts>in the gnome user preference tool, yeah
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21:18<buddybenj>Alright, thanks.
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21:18<rjsalts>although it might be using policykit or some other thing instead of sudo
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21:22<Doctor_Pi>I'm having some issues downloading a key for a particular id.
21:26<Doctor_Pi>gpg --keyserver keyring.debian.org --recv-keys 6294BE9B
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21:28<Doctor_Pi>I get can't open 6294BE9B
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21:29<Doctor_Pi> 6294BE9B is the key id of the key that signed SHA512SUMS
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21:32<imMute>Doctor_Pi: that command worked for me, seemed to take a few seconds to complete for some reason.
21:35<Doctor_Pi>imMute: oops I had only one dash in front of recv-keys
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21:41<megamanx1978>My lxde menu is empty how do I fix that?
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21:42<Doctor_Pi>imMute: the man page on the gnupg.org website only has single dashes. Something's wrong with the web page rendering.
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22:03<theycallmescrublord>Can somebody help me with an apt issue?
22:04<imMute>theycallmescrublord: only if you actually explain the issue.
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22:07<theycallmescrublord>How can i fix this, apt throws it and it also prevents the install of other software, http://pastebin.com/KkSwbH6Z .
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22:07<megamanx1978>My lxde menu is empty how do I fix that
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22:08<theycallmescrublord>It throws that when i do apt-get update & something similar when i try and install the mozilla build environment.
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22:11<imMute>theycallmescrublord: that line should be commented out in your sources.list
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22:12<theycallmescrublord>imMute: where would that file be stored?
22:12<imMute>theycallmescrublord: /etc/apt/sources.list
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22:15<theycallmescrublord>imMute: It works, I will have to make note of that in case I run into similar issues in the future. Thanks for your help!
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