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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-05-08

---Logopened Fri May 08 00:00:28 2015
---Daychanged Fri May 08 2015
00:00<phillipsjk>Based on that, this page: https://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x says I need to use the r8712u driver
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00:03<phillipsjk>...which is listed by lsmod
00:03<somiaj>phillipsjk: dmesg | grep firmware
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00:05<phillipsjk>r8712u: Loading firmware from "rtlwifif/rtl8712u.bin" (second line is almost the same from firmware:
00:06<somiaj>phillipsjk: everything seems fine, could be just a flakey card. is network manager not showing the network you want to connect to?
00:06<phillipsjk>Not at the moment.
00:07<phillipsjk>enabling/disabling networking does not seem to help (it does on my laptop with a different adapter)
00:07<somiaj>phillipsjk: are you enabling/disabling with a hardware switch on the device?
00:07<somiaj>phillipsjk: paste the output of 'iwconfig'
00:07<somiaj>phillipsjk: use paste.debian.net
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00:10<timy>Are there any SSH clients for Windows that support AES-GCM and/or Chacha20-Poly1305?
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00:10<somiaj>timy: does putty not suppot those?
00:11<somiaj>timy: also I would ask in ##windows on freenode, I fail to see how this is a debian support question (:
00:11<phillipsjk>bash: iwconfig: command not found
00:11<phillipsjk>(as root)
00:12<root>0.0
00:13<sney>phillipsjk: install wireless-tools
00:13<somiaj>phillipsjk: wonder if that is your problem,
00:13<somiaj>,v wireless-tools
00:13<judd>Package: wireless-tools on amd64 -- squeeze: 30~pre9-5; wheezy: 30~pre9-8; sid: 30~pre9-8; jessie: 30~pre9-8; stretch: 30~pre9-8
00:13<phillipsjk>so I may need to install wireless-tools and wpasupplicant
00:13<root>phillipsjk: Call me?
00:13<phillipsjk>root: sorry :)
00:13<somiaj>phillipsjk: yes you should isntall both of those.
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00:14<phillipsjk>I know ifconfig gives a similar error if I try to invoke it as a normal user (/usr/sbin is not in the path)
00:14<root>phillipsjk: Nothing :)
00:15<somiaj>phillipsjk: yea you need to run these commands as root, but if you don't have iwconfig installed sounds like you are missing some important wirless pakages
00:15<timy>Jessie finally has a version of SSH that supports chacha20. It's much faster than AES.
00:15<phillipsjk>rot13 is faster than AES...
00:16<phillipsjk>"equivalent" security I assume.
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00:16<root> CH 6 ][ Elapsed: 25 mins ][ 2015-05-08 12:06 ][ paused output
00:16<root>
00:16<root> BSSID PWR RXQ Beacons #Data, #/s CH MB ENC CIPHER AUTH ESSID
00:16<root>
00:16<root> C0:61:18:6D:04:44 -78 100 13536 12064 5 1 54e. WPA2 CCMP PSK MERCURY_6D0444
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00:16<timy>I don't see rot13 in sshd_config.
00:17<phillipsjk>not sure ssh ever supported it ;)
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00:20<phillipsjk>if I have to install many more packages, it may be easier to temporarily move the machine closer to a live ethernet port.
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00:20<root>Help me crack chant
00:21<root> CH 6 ][ Elapsed: 25 mins ][ 2015-05-08 12:06 ][ paused output
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00:21<root> BSSID PWR RXQ Beacons #Data, #/s CH MB ENC CIPHER AUTH ESSID
00:21<root>
00:21<root> C0:61:18:6D:04:44 -78 100 13536 12064 5 1 54e. WPA2 CCMP PSK MERCURY_6D0444
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00:21<sney>:/
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00:23*phillipsjk has been tempeted to try to crack routers using default passwords with 9 decimals just to see how long it would take.
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00:24<phillipsjk>(my gut says less than a day with GPU assistance)
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00:39<phillipsjk>hmm wireless-tools wants libiw30...
00:39<somiaj>phillipsjk: gotta keep copying stuff over or find a wired connenction for the time
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00:40<phillipsjk>I know :)
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00:51<phillipsjk>now iwconfig basically says nothing interesting (most numbers are 0) is happening (trying restarting machine yet again)
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01:01<phillipsjk>here is the iwconfig output: http://paste.debian.net/172964/
01:02<phillipsjk>I guess I am about ready to give up on the thing. I have avoided such wireless adapters over binary blob hassles in the past.
01:03<phillipsjk>I could try the windows XP driver with an NDIS wrapper, but doubt it will work much better.
01:04<somiaj>phillipsjk: that looks fine, restart network-manager, maybe the networks will show up there.
01:04<somiaj>phillipsjk: do one thign for me, 'grep wlan0 /etc/network/interfaces'
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01:07<phillipsjk>hmm, that is an empty response. I have eth0 in the file, but no wlan
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01:08<somiaj>phillipsjk: good, that means network-manager is not ignoring your device
01:08<somiaj>phillipsjk: restart network amanger and see if it just works now that you have wireless tools installed, if not I can explain how to manually connect to your ap
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01:15<phillipsjk>running 'service network-manager restart' as root did not seem to do much. I had already manually configured the network.
01:15<somiaj>phillipsjk: you are on jessie right? using systemd? 'systemctl restart network-manager'
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01:18<phillipsjk>The first command actually restarted the service. The command you just gave resulting in the error: "Failed to get D-Bus connection: Unknown error -1"
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01:19<somiaj>phillipsjk: must not be using systemd.
01:19<somiaj>phillipsjk: anyways network manager see the wlan0 device and any networks yet?
01:19<phillipsjk>I don't think I ever did anything special to disable it.
01:20<somiaj>phillipsjk: what version of debian are you running?
01:22<phillipsjk>/etc/debian_version says 8.0
01:22<somiaj>strange, you should have systemd by default and it shoudl be able to connect to dbus, not sure why it didn't work
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01:24<phillipsjk>well, the kernel oops on unplug tells me something is messed up :P
01:26<phillipsjk>Thanks for the help.
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01:50<phillipsjk>weird, I was able to unplug the wireless adpater without a kernel oops.
01:50<somiaj>sounds like bad hardare if you are getting oops from that usb device
01:51<jm_>I would rather say a kernel bug
01:52<somiaj>well probably a bug in the crappy realtek drivers. But my experience has always been bad hardware. (though it was always much more core things giving me issues)
01:52<phillipsjk>Apparently my BIOS firmware is buggy.
01:53<phillipsjk>(found the kernel complaining about that in dmesg)
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02:19<phillipsjk>omg, unplugging, plugging in again let me select the network of my choice: and the connection actually got established for the first time.
02:19<somiaj>most likely do to missing firmware. The detecting the devices sounds like buggy hardware/drivers
02:20<somiaj>sorry most likely do to missing wireless-tools (:
02:20*phillipsjk is not sure if it is even going to be reliable enough for a "project" computer
02:20<phillipsjk>but I installed the wireless tools :?
02:20<somiaj>phillipsjk: I mean why it works now as opposed to before
02:21<somiaj>the buggyness with the hardware I don't know what to say, could be a kernel bug but could require differen thardware
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02:22<phillipsjk>I will restore my normal work-load and see if it flakes out overnight.
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02:30<di0x>root: you want the pass?
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02:30<di0x>why you dont click the back button of reset or you dont have access
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02:31<di0x>well with that amount of data in 12 hours you can crack with airoscript good luck
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02:34<di0x>u need 250.000 for start trying
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02:35<thebullion>hey
02:37<space_escalator>howdy
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03:40<leta>Hi all!
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03:41<leta>I recently installed Debian on my laptop and I am very happy with how it behaves... However, every once in a while, my graphical environment chrashes...
03:41<leta>*crashes
03:43<leta>The menu, panel bar, windows and switching function do not work as they should... Here is an example what it looks like: http://postimg.org/image/wu8byyehl/
03:43<leta>I use Debian 8 with cinnamon... Any ideas??? :)
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03:46<jm_>tried looking in ~/.xsession-errors when this happens?
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03:49<leta>No.
03:51<leta>Ok, I will use my laptop as normal until this happens and then I will investigate xsession-errors
03:51<leta>Thanks! :)
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04:22<Imperator>hey, I just got a lenovo d120 server to tinker with, I'm trying to install debian onto it, which version of debian should I be downloading?
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04:28<jm_>Imperator: latest stable
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04:33<Imperator>but should it be powerpoint or 64 bit pc etc.?
04:33<jm_>what kind of cpu does it have? how much RAM?
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04:42<Imperator>ram: 4gb DDR2 667 MHZ
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04:43<SynrG>old. is that a 64-bit processor or 32-bit?
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04:43<Imperator>intel xeon e5430
04:43<Imperator>2.66ghz, 1333 mhz, 64 bit
04:43<jm_>then go with 64bit
04:44<jm_>amd64
04:44<Imperator>thanks so much
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05:02<adhawkins>Just upgraded one of my machine to Jessie. Getting strange 'no space left on device' messages at time.
05:02<adhawkins>df -h, df -i and free all show plenty of space available.
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05:02<adhawkins>It seems to happen reproducably when I type 'reboot'.
05:02<adhawkins>Any suggestions?
05:02<adhawkins>http://paste.debian.net/173070/
05:02<adhawkins>http://paste.debian.net/173069/
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05:09<SynrG>adhawkins: perhaps something is filling up tmpfs?
05:10<Brigo>SynrG, which one?
05:10<Brigo>adhawkins, what filesystem are you using?
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05:10<SynrG>er, /tmp is what i meant
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05:10<SynrG>which will be cleaned on the reboot
05:10<SynrG>which means, no evidence left over
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05:13<adhawkins>Brigo: ext4 I think, let me check.
05:13<adhawkins>SynrG: I don't think tmpfs is filling up.
05:13<adhawkins>If I do a df -h, then immediately reboot, I'll get the message even though df shows lots of space.
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05:14<adhawkins>SynrG: /tmp is on the root filesystem, which has 30 odd gig of space.
05:14<Brigo>adhawkins, so you get the message only when you run reboot?
05:14<adhawkins>Sorry, 13G
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05:14<adhawkins>Brigo: That's the main time I've noticed it, yes.
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05:14<Brigo>adhawkins, no /tmp, tmpfs. You have severals.
05:15<adhawkins>Brigo: Yes, but they all have plenty free acfording to df and df -i
05:15<Brigo>adhawkins, may be checking the logs you can see the problematic filesystem, if any.
05:15<adhawkins>Trouble is, I don't know which filesystem the message is being generated for...
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05:16<adhawkins>Ah, hold on.
05:16<adhawkins>May 8 09:58:21 xcp-mbserver systemd[1]: Failed to add watch on /run/systemd/ask-password: No space left on device
05:16<adhawkins>That's some sort of 'notify' I guess?
05:17<adhawkins>Is there any way to find out how many are in use?
05:17<adhawkins>max_user_watches is 8192
05:19<SynrG>yes, /run is on a tmpfs (on my system at least)
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05:20<adhawkins>I think I've worked out what is using all the watches, it's my backup app.
05:20<SynrG>ah
05:20<Brigo>what is a watch??
05:21<SynrG>and where are they put?
05:21<Brigo>ah, inotify stuff, right?
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05:22<adhawkins>Yes.
05:22<adhawkins>I suspect that's the issue.
05:23<SynrG>so you can just tune it up if it needs more?
05:23<SynrG>or else change configuration to use less ...
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05:37<adhawkins>SynrG: Yes, I think either option is viable.
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05:40<adhawkins>SynrG: Ok, increased it significantly, and the error on reboot has gone away.
05:41<adhawkins>Thanks to you and Brigo for your help.
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05:41<Brigo>adhawkins, yw :)
05:41<SynrG>adhawkins: yay
05:41<SynrG>np
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06:41<fabzor3>I am Running the LXDE Spin of Debian 8. I am trying to select my sound card (I have 3 sound devices), through PulseAudio Volume Control, but when I try and load the mixer, I get a dialogue box saying "Connection to PulseAudio failed. Automatic rety..." I have tried restarting the pulse daemon but it still says that, I have checked the all the PulseAudio packages are there in Synaptic, and yes, I even rebooted a few times. I am even ha
06:41<fabzor3>ppy to blacklist my other 2 devices for ever as a workaround, since I wont be needing them on this system. But of course I haven't been able to work that out so far. Any ideas anyone has on the subject would be much appreciated. Even a link to a forum post would be helpful. Thanks all.
06:42<jm_>have you checked that PA is indeed running?
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06:48<fabzor3>Hi jm_ do you know a reliable way to do that?
06:48<jm_>fabzor3: use ps to look for the process
06:48<fabzor3>i have gone su... services..pulseaudio stop then start
06:48<fabzor3>like the normal service way
06:48<fabzor3>will do
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06:54<fabzor3>jm_, I was not familiar enough with the syntax of ps to work out how to use it yet
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06:54<fabzor3>but if I run "pulseaudio --check" I get the message "W: [pulseaudio] core-util.c: Failed to open configuration file '/home/fabzor3/.config/pulse//daemon.conf': Permission denied
06:54<fabzor3>"
06:55<SynrG>so you've screwed something, probably running it as root in your home dir
06:55<SynrG>don't do that
06:55<SynrG>check ownership of the entire contents of ~/.config/pulse
06:55<jm_>fabzor3: ps auxw|grep pulseaudio
06:55<fabzor3>okay, thanks
06:55<fabzor3>will not root as much in the future in home dir
06:55<jm_>and yeah don't start it by hand
06:56<fabzor3>fabzor3@N30N:~$ ps auxw|grep pulseaudio
06:56<fabzor3>fabzor3 4644 0.0 0.0 12720 2208 pts/1 S+ 20:56 0:00 grep pulseaudio
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06:57<jm_>yeah not running but no surprise due to the above
06:57<fabzor3>so that actually looks happy, well at least the daemon does
06:57<fabzor3>but yeah thanks SynrG im going to check that ownership now
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06:57<fabzor3>oh so its not running
06:58<fabzor3>Error opening directory '/home/fabzor3/.config/pulse': Permission denied
06:58<fabzor3>AHUH
06:59<jm_>note how the output said "grep pulseaudio" - the smart way is to use either grep "[p]ulseaudio" or | grep -v grep
06:59<fabzor3>cool
07:01<fabzor3>okay I set myself as the owner of that pulse config folder
07:01<fabzor3>by running chown fabzor3 /home/fabzor3/.config/pulse -R
07:01<fabzor3>HOLY BALLS
07:02<fabzor3>I was just going to reboot and...
07:02<di0x>;-)
07:02<fabzor3>I just saw that it had already popped up
07:02<jm_>reboot wouldn't help with this
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07:08<fabzor3>I just rebooted since flash was playing up
07:08<fabzor3>and guess what works perfectly
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07:08<fabzor3>just wanted to say that that tech support was pretty amazing
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07:09<fabzor3>what was that like 2 minutes?
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07:09<fabzor3>thanks again, keep it up!
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07:10<cicada>How do I access root? I'm the only user. Most of my files have permissions set to root and I cant access them
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07:11<jm_>cicada: are you using debian?
07:11<cicada>yes, wheezy
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07:12<cicada>I exaggerated when I said "Most of my files". Some of them are set to root permissions, and I cant open them.
07:13<stemid>sudo bash
07:13<jm_>well try using sudo or use su or login as root and fix things
07:13<cicada>funny thing is that I am logged in as root
07:14<jm_>that makes no sense, put some example on pastebin (/msg dpkg paste)
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07:14<cicada>some files have this lock icon on them
07:14<jm_>what if you try to access them in a terminal?
07:15<cicada>gimme a min
07:16<cicada>I get the cant access error and permission denied
07:16<jm_>put that on a pastebin
07:16<cicada>okay
07:16<jm_>the command, ls output etc.
07:16<jm_>(ls -l)
07:17<stemid>cicada: id command says you're uid 0?
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07:17<cicada>id says uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root)
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07:18<cicada>I'm new to debian so I'm tring to adjust/learn
07:18<stemid>could be posix acls, try getfacl filename
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07:19<cicada># file: somefile # owner: root # group: root user::rwx group::r-x other::r-x
07:19<cicada>with getfacl ^
07:20<stemid>looks normal, and on second thought I'm not even sure debian ships with acls enabled.
07:20<jm_>cicada: please paste it on the pastebin directly
07:20<cicada>"You are not the owner, so you cannot change the permissions"
07:22<stemid>cicada: you should paste the whole output, what command you run when you get that error.
07:22<stemid>on the pastebin
07:23<jm_>!tell cicada -about paste
07:23<jm_>see the message from dpkg
07:23<cicada>okay, I'll do that
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07:34<cicada>http://paste.debian.net/plainh/ec9e9b29 I can access the files through 'cd' but cant open them manually, i've linked two pictures
07:35<cicada>http://i.imgur.com/3bVH8I1.png
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07:37<jm_>your commands show no problem accessing files, why are you looking in /run? do you know what /run is for?
07:37<jm_>and what user is the GUI running as?
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07:39<cicada>how do I change what user the GUI is running? I logged in with my username
07:39<cicada>I honestly dont know what run is for
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07:40<cicada>like when I do a mkdir, it creates the file with the lock icon on it
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07:42<jm_>ok, so you're doing just fine, use your regular user for majority of work and only use root when really needed, as for /run - it's fine, your regular user does not have access to all the files
07:42<jm_>don't use mkdir as root and then access it in GUI as your normal user, create the dir as regular user instead - where are you trying to create the dir?
07:42<cicada>in my home folder
07:43<cicada>I used the root terminal
07:43<jm_>if you're doing it in /run, don't - run is a temporary file system in memory, its contents are lost on reboot
07:43<jm_>ok so that's your problem - create it as your user, not as root
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07:43<cicada>nono I didnt try to do it in run
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07:43<jm_>yeah it takes some time before you type, I read it, and then I type it and you read it :)
07:44<cicada>Thanks for your time :)
07:44<tuv0k>The playback of this movie requires a ITU H.264 decoder plugin which is not installed.
07:44<tuv0k>I get this from Video
07:44<jm_>so when you want to create stuff in your home dir, use your regular user to do it (you can do it in a terminal as normal user if you want to)
07:44<tuv0k>VLC plays the file, just wondering what Video is missing to play the video?
07:44<jm_>tuv0k: is that what vlc says?
07:45<tuv0k>no
07:45<tuv0k>Totem or Video as it's called in Gnome now
07:45<tuv0k>vlc plays it fine
07:45<cicada>jm_: oh drat! I realize now. It was my stupidity :P Thanks again!
07:45<tuv0k>Codec ITU H.264
07:45<jm_>aha try installing different gstreamerx.y-plugins-foo packages (base/good/ugly etc.)
07:46<jm_>cicada: no problem, enjoy
07:46<tuv0k>I've tried them all
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07:46<tuv0k>good/bad/ugly
07:46<maxy>tuv0k: totem recommends: gstreamer1.0-libav, gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly, gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio, totem-plugins
07:46<maxy>Are all of this installed?
07:46<jm_>hmm not sure then, maybe someone else who actually uses gnome/totem can help then
07:47<tuv0k>maxy, yes
07:47<maxy>It also suggests gnome-codec-install, which seems do be a helper for the problem you are seeing.
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07:47<cicada>Also, do you know a resource where I may learn about how debian works? Where do I start? It seems daunting, but I'm up for it.
07:47<Tanmay>Hello all
07:48<tuv0k>maxy, gnome-codec-install < no package like that in my repos
07:48<jm_>cicada: which part of debian?
07:48<jm_>,versions gnome-codec-install
07:48<judd>Package: gnome-codec-install on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.4.7+nmu1; wheezy: 0.4.7+nmu1; sid: 0.4.7+nmu2
07:48<cicada>what's the best part to start with? All's the same for me at the moment.
07:49<jm_>so not in jessie, that may be why
07:49<Tanmay>lol no java :P
07:49<jm_>!tell cicada -about grounding
07:49<tuv0k>yeah
07:49<jm_>cicada: got the URL-s for docs?
07:49<tuv0k>I'm jessie'd up
07:49<cicada>jm_: I'll look it up now, thanks.
07:49<jm_>cicada: see what dpkg told you
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07:50<cicada>great
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08:33<skarm>Hi all. I am using Debian testing and about a week after jessie released, my system started to show the internal sound as "headphones - internal sound". The speakers do not play any sound. Other USB headphones are recognized when connected and are working as expected. Do you have any suggestions?
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08:35<blast007>skarm: testing/unstable support is in #debian-next
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08:36<skarm>OK. Thank you.
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08:39<someirc>E: GPG error: http://ftp.de.debian.org wheezy Release: The following signatures
08:39<someirc>were invalid: NODATA 1 NODATA 2
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08:39<someirc>how to fix this? started on one of my computers, while identical sources.list works well on another
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08:41<someirc>sources.list has: deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main
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08:43<someirc>oh, it's my isp. fucking idiots
08:43<someirc>showing html warning screen hijacking http pagesa
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09:16<becca_KB1WRP>What's the best approach to switch my default shell to zsh? I'm running Linux Mint Debian Edition which is based on Debian Jessie
09:16<stemid>chsh
09:16<becca_KB1WRP>I primarily use terminator for my interaction with the bash shell
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09:16<blast007>!mint
09:16<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
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09:17<becca_KB1WRP>blast007: you would be surprised, but the mint folks on spotchat don't know much about Debian Edition
09:17<blast007>then my suggestion would be to run a distribution that has better support, like Debian :)
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09:19<becca_KB1WRP>blast007: Thank you for the suggestion, I will consider that, in the meantime, any chance you have some suggestions on what you would tell someone running a debian distro...
09:19<stemid>chsh
09:19<blast007>you were already given one suggestion
09:19<becca_KB1WRP>Or I can just say I'm running debian Jessie which some nice people compiled the cinnamon desktop for
09:19<becca_KB1WRP>yes, I'm googling chsh right now
09:20<stemid>just open a terminal and type chsh
09:20<blast007>Debian Jessie already comes with Cinnamon as an option...
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09:20<blast007>if you're running Mint DE just for that, that's kinda silly
09:20<becca_KB1WRP>blast007: Really, I didn't know that, I haven't found a good description of what the real differences between the two are
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09:21<blast007>Jessie was released as stable recently.
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09:23<becca_KB1WRP>blackcat: that means that Jessie is an LTS now?
09:24<becca_KB1WRP>oops sorry blackcat
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09:24<becca_KB1WRP>blast007: that means that Jessie is an LTS now?
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09:25<blast007>https://wiki.debian.org/LTS
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09:25<becca_KB1WRP>thanks
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09:36<srbaker>heya folks
09:36<srbaker>i'm trying to run the android emulator, it says it needs KVM support (/dev/kvm is missing)
09:36<srbaker>this is new to me. how do i figure out if i can have this?
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09:38<TobiX>srbaker: Try "sudo modprobe kvm"
09:38<becca_KB1WRP>does debian allow PPAs?
09:39<TobiX>dpkg: tell srbaker about kvm
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09:40<blast007>becca_KB1WRP: you shouldn't use PPAs on Debian, and third party repos in general should be avoided.
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09:40<becca_KB1WRP>blast007: okay, as a philosophical point, or as in they simply don't work
09:41<TobiX>!ppa
09:41<dpkg>[ppa] Personal Package Archive (see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas or <launchpad>). PPAs are either: (a) an easy way to grab packages based on nightly-builds/VCS snapshots or (b) an easy way for any idiot to publish a package of extremely poor quality (remember, you will run the maintainer scripts as root during install!). Choose your repos wisely. No equivalent exists for Debian yet. Ask me about <why not use a ppa>.
09:41<blast007>they likely will not work since they are built against Ubuntu releases
09:42<becca_KB1WRP>blast007: thanks
09:42<TobiX>The dpkg quip is sligtly offending IMHO ;)
09:42<becca_KB1WRP>TobiX: Agreed, but distro wars are always crazy
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09:44<TobiX>becca_KB1WRP: Well, based on Sturgeon's law, dpkg's text is not wrong ;)
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10:08<becca_KB1WRP>blast007: I'm looking for an install image for Debian with Cinnamon, but there doesn't seem to be one, is that the case, or do you know of a link
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10:09<blast007>the netinstall (and probably CD1/DVD1) lets you pick which desktop environment you want during the install
10:09<becca_KB1WRP>blast007: thanks
10:10<blast007>it will ask partitioning and after the base system packages get installed
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10:10<becca_KB1WRP>makes sense
10:10<blast007>er, it will ask after partitioning and after the base system packages get installed*
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10:30<orjan->just intalled jessie with lxde, running xmonad, what program handles power management like suspens hibernate, is it systemd nowdays?
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10:41<khelil>#debian-fr
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10:43<awal>orjan-: lxde doesn't have a power manager utility. systemd, logind handles that right.
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10:45<awal>orjan-: you can create menu entries and keyboard shortcut for systemctl for suspend, reboot....
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10:48<awal>modifying the related openbox file. I dont now if xfce4-power-manager will be able to handle that too under lxde. that pack requires xfce deps and recommends. xfce4-power-manager do the job for me under fluxbox loaded via fbautostart but xfce is installed here
10:48<pebrille>Which channel shall I use when I've a question regarding network setup IPv6?
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10:52<awal>pebrille: if you are doing that under debian, I think it's fine asking here
10:52<pebrille>Anyway, I have here a freshly installed debian jessie and it doesn't fetch an IPv6 via DHCP even though I've configured "iface eth0 inet6 dhcp". Only when I say "systemctl restart networking.service" it fetches an IP... Shall I report a bug or what did I do wrong?
10:53<orjan->awal: ok, any link to read about howto setup systemd key shortcuts?
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10:54<somiaj>pebrille: you shouldn't need to restart networking.service. But by dosen't fetch, you mean when you run 'ifup eth0' it doesn't get an ipv6 ip?
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10:57<orjan->awal: can I run systemd suspend/reboot etc as a user?
10:58<awal>orjan-: what you want exactly? suspend, reboot your machine manually using menu entries and keyboard shortcuts being in xmonad or make systemd reboot, poweroff...your machine automatically?
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10:58<pebrille>somiaj: I mean when the server boots.... I want the interface to come up automatically. Which it does, but there's only a stateless address. Only when I restart networking it also gets a stateful IP
10:59<orjan->to make keyboard shortcuts in xmonad to suspend and hibernate, I can reboot shutdown if I log out
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11:00<somiaj>pebrille: do you have an auto eth0 line in your /etc/network/interfaces file?
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11:01<pebrille>somiaj: yes I have.. tried both, with and without auto. No change in effect
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11:01<somiaj>pebrille: and ifup eth0 works jsut fine, because that is what should be run if there is an auto eth0 line at boot. that networking.service looks like an old sysvinit file that really shouldn't be used to restart your network.
11:01<somiaj>pebrille: you don't have any thing else configured to manage your interface? network-manager? wicd? networkd? (I think you ahve to explicity tell systed to use it on debian systems)
11:02<pebrille>no, I haven't installed any of these packages
11:02<awal>orjan-: you can do that running "systemctl suspend/reboot/poweroff/hibernate" using terminal or create a keyboard shortcut in xmonad for those commands. For do that you will have to check xmonad config file. I dont know how keybinding works in xmonad
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11:04<somiaj>pebrille: systemctl status networking.service (paste the output of that)
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11:05<orjan->awal: ah ok I see, I just needed the commands that I will use to make keyboard shotcuts, I know how to make those, thanks. The commands can be run as a user right?
11:05<somiaj>you may have to add your user to a paticular group, I woudln't know which one though
11:07<awal>orjan-: I use fluxbox/openbox, sorry I dont know about xmonad config files. the command you crate should just execute "systemctl suspend" for example. In fluxbox one do that in .keys file , example "Mod4 Mod1 End :Exec systemctl suspend", you will have to check how things work in xmonad. yeah , as standard user in X you will be done.
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11:08<orjan->awal: thanks, yes I kow how to conf xmonad if I just have the correct command.
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11:09<awal>If you aren't logged in X I think you must be root for execute that
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11:10<pebrille>● networking.service - LSB: Raise network interfaces.
11:10<pebrille> Loaded: loaded (/etc/init.d/networking)
11:10<pebrille> Drop-In: /run/systemd/generator/networking.service.d
11:10<pebrille> └─50-insserv.conf-$network.conf
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11:10<awal>orjan-: man systemctl
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11:10<orjan->awal: ok
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11:11<awal>for stuffs related with lid... check /etc/systemd/logind.conf
11:12<pebrille>somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/173238/
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11:13<SynrG>! Disable lid suspend
11:13<dpkg>Edit /etc/systemd/logind.conf and add HandleLidSwitch=ignore . See 'man logind.conf'.
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11:14<SynrG>Didn't read the whole backlog so I don't know if that's relevant
11:14<orjan->awal: ok, making notes
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11:16<somiaj>pebrille: we need more lines on the error you are getting, 'systemctl -o verbose status systemctl' this should giv us more lines letting us know what the error is.
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11:18<crane>how can i debug a start/stop script with systemd? i'm having trouble to start my openvpn server
11:19<pebrille>somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/173240/
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11:20<somiaj>crane: systemctl status servicename is a good tool to start with
11:20<somiaj>pebrille: sorry typo, 'systemctl -o verbose status networking.service'
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11:25<crane>somiaj: thx! problem was layer 8 ;)
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11:30<pebrille>somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/173246/
11:31<somiaj>pebrille: hmm, still learnign systemd myself, but no that is way to verbose. I want the actual logs
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11:32<somiaj>pebrille: systemctl -n 100 status networking.service
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11:34<pebrille>http://paste.debian.net/173247/
11:35<pebrille>which seems unreasonable to me since the interface has a link local address
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11:36<somiaj>pebrille: I was hoping there was more lines above line 11 that would say why dhclient is not getting you an ipv6 address. My only guess is the service is being run to soon during boot, but I was hoping for a more detaled error.
11:37<pebrille>maybe set VERBOSE=yes in /etc/default/networking ?
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11:39<pharm>topic
11:39<somiaj>pebrille: yea I don't know what the issue is. the output makes me think there is more info dhclient is saying why it can't get an ipv6 addy at boot. But I don't see why.
11:40<pebrille>so file a bug then?
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11:42<somiaj>pebrille: do more research. It could be an issue with your network or device. Again I don't see any thing telling me why it can't get an ipv6 addr, just that it didn't you see the logs
11:42<somiaj>maybe look into journalctl and see if you can get more detailed info.
11:42<pebrille>hmm well the network is defenitely fine, as well as the DHCPv6 server setup...
11:43<somiaj>pebrille: this might work, journalctl -n 100 _SYSTEMD_UNIT=networking.service
11:43<somiaj>pebrille: that is why it is an issue with boot ordering or something that is not ready at teh time it is run at boot, which is why I'm trying to get some error messages and logs that say what is going on.
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11:44<pebrille>http://paste.debian.net/173250/
11:44<pebrille>doesn't seem to help
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11:46<pebrille>journalctl isn't showing any relevant information
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11:48<somiaj>pebrille: maybe check /var/log/syslog, for whever dhclient would repport errors to
11:48<pebrille>there is no dhcp message in there at all
11:49<pebrille>this is the only network messages in syslog http://paste.debian.net/173252/
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13:16<samkod>I'm running debian jessie with xfce for the very first time. So far I'm loving it. One thing I can't figure out is the sizing of the icons on the panel
13:17<samkod>My panel row size is set to 24 along with my notification area icons. However on certain themes icons like the application menu show up as 16x16
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13:18<samkod>Does anyone know how to fix this? Other themes its fine. Right at 24x24
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13:22<rafoufoun>hi all
13:23<bitfreak>hi there
13:23<rafoufoun>I'd like to know if one of you has a MSI GE620 with Debian installed here :)
13:23<Blazze>hello. :)
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13:26<bitfreak>I don't sry, I have another problem. ^^ With the new Debian 8.0 Jessie I could connect to a WPA2-WLAN, but the internet is going down after some seconds. Does anyone now this problem?
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13:27<Brigo>bitfreak, what wifi are you using?
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13:27<rafoufoun>@bitfreak yes, me. But I think it's my router beause I have the same issue with my W8
13:27<bitfreak>on my Windows 7 i dont have this problem
13:28<bitfreak>the thing is, i have this Problem on two PCs
13:28<bitfreak>and i tried it on two different networks
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13:28<s0cket>ok, first of all, is this the right place to ask about nvidia drivers?
13:28<Brigo>s0cket, if you are using debian, yes.
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13:29<Brigo>bitfreak, can you paste the output of lspci -nn|grep Network ?
13:29<s0cket>ok, so I installed the latest non free drivers, and my resolution is locked to 640, i have no idea how to set it up to recognize up to 1080p
13:30<Brigo>s0cket, how did you install the latest non free drivers?
13:30<s0cket>that's one of my problems, I forgot the method I've used,one sec
13:31<s0cket>https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#jessie
13:31<blast007>rafoufoun: are you having a specific issue?
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13:32<Brigo>s0cket, that wiki is a bit old. you could install it just wiht apt-get install nvidia-driver
13:32<bitfreak>"03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Qualcomm Atheros AR9462 Wireless Network Adapter [168c:0034] (rev 01)"
13:32<Brigo>,pciid 168c:0034
13:32<judd>[168c:0034] is 'AR9462 Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Qualcomm Atheros' with kernel module 'ath9k' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:0034 http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k_htc http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k
13:32<retrospectacus>!ath9k
13:32<dpkg>ath9k is a completely free (no proprietary HAL) Linux kernel driver supporting PCI/PCIe 802.11n wireless LAN devices with Atheros chips. It does not require firmware from userspace. See https://wiki.debian.org/ath9k for more information and supported devices. For Atheros 802.11n USB device support, ask me about <ath9k_htc>, <carl9170>.
13:33<retrospectacus>should just work
13:33<rafoufoun>blast007: yes, it seems that my laptop is never on low power consumption mode. On the MSI GE620 laptop, there is a light indicating the power consumption mode. Blue = low, orange = high. With Debian installed on, the light is always orange and the battery do not last very long. But with Trisquel I had not any issue
13:34<s0cket>anyway, the driver is installed and working, as I can access the nvidia x server settings and I've checked the output of glx info
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13:34<bitfreak>okay thanks, I try to install it
13:35<s0cket>but, when I try to add a custom resolution using xrandr(the native res is not available in any settings, not debian panel, nor nvdia one)
13:35<s0cket>it gives me an error "X Error of failed request: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)"
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13:35<Brigo>bitfreak, your wifi is supported by that driver as you can see in https://wiki.debian.org/ath9k
13:35<awal>Anyone have tried mps-youtube?
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13:36<bitfreak>how can I install it witout internet connection on that PC?
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13:38<s0cket>also, Brigo, "nvidia-driver is already the newest version." when I ran that command
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13:40<Brigo>s0cket, so you already installed it. right
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13:40<Brigo>s0cket, what desktop are you running?
13:41<s0cket>what do you mean by that? I'm running Debian 8 stable
13:41<diasydios>hello
13:41<s0cket>64 bit
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13:42<Brigo>s0cket, gnome, kde?
13:43<s0cket>$DESKTOP_SESSION gives me "defaul", so I have no idea
13:44<s0cket>I didn't choose gnome or kde while installing, I ran with default options there
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13:45<Brigo>i am asking because those desktops have handy display configuration utilities
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13:46<Brigo>s0cket, other solucion could be creating a xorg.conf file and edit it.
13:46<s0cket>I've done the automatic one using nvidia-xconfig
13:47<rafoufoun2>S0cket, do you have Optimus on your computer ?
13:47<Brigo>s0cket, and have you try to edit it?
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13:48<s0cket>rafoufoun2, no, Brigo, no I didn't, since every time I did on other installs it messed up in one way or another. I have no idea where to start there and what exactly needs editing
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13:52<Brigo>s0cket, check my old xorg.conf in http://paste.debian.net/173310/
13:53<Brigo>s0cket, i think you only have to add the Modes "1920x1080" .... line into the display subsection
13:53<Brigo>s0cket, you should make a copy of the file an try it.
13:53<s0cket>after I add it I have to do a reboot so that it appears on the modes list, right?
13:55<Brigo>s0cket, or just restart de display manager, but rebooting will be easier.
13:56<Brigo>s0cket, you can check available modes in /var/log/Xorg.0.log, at the end. And posible errors.
14:00<s0cket>ok, i'm going to try editing xorg.conf file for now, here's the Xorg.0.log output in the mean time
14:00<s0cket>http://pastebin.com/VHNUjFGG
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14:04<Colloguy>After upgrading to jessie, I'm stuck at low resolution. It might be related to the boot message "radeon kernel modesetting for R600 or later requires firmware-linux-nonfree",
14:04<Colloguy>but http://xorg.freedesktop.org/wiki/RadeonFeature says the radeon driver *does* support modesetting for my R600 card.
14:04<abrotman>Did you install the firmware?
14:05<abrotman>the radeon driver still uses firmware
14:06<Colloguy>oh, the table means the radeon driver supports KMS in conjunction with the firmware
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14:07<Colloguy>is it possible to run the display at a higher resolution without installing the firmware?
14:09<s0cket>so, editing xorg.conf did nothing
14:09<s0cket>I guess I'll have to proof-read the log file then
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14:10<Brigo>s0cket, i have to go now, but i will come back late. If you are still here i coul check that log :)
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14:12<abrotman>Colloguy: not AFAIK .. that firmware is sort of required for a lot of better functionality
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14:16<Colloguy>drats. It used to get the native resolution of my monitor in Wheezy with that card and no firmware.
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14:20<sdffdssdf>Can you people please convince all the projects on freenode to move to OFTC?
14:21<sdffdssdf>freenode bans all Tor exit nodes, has removed its own .onions (and even when they were there, they forced you to reveal your IP address to them), and now bans even commercial VPNs. Short of using insane setups that are likely to be banned any day, or using your home connection (unacceptable), there's just no way to get to speak to 99% of IRCers...
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14:25<abrotman>sdffdssdf: Please don't do that here, this is a support channel
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14:49<fanto666>hello, unattended-upgrades does not upgrade libreoffice packages, debug reports 'now marked delete', is this known problem? Other packages were updated without problems
14:49<fanto666>(wheezy i386)
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16:24<Marcin>koledzy pytanko mam pomoze ktos?
16:24<Marcin>uzywalem stable 7 od 2013 roku
16:24<Marcin>robilem update zawsze
16:25<nihad_dk>hello …need some help. I wanted to enable SFTP on my server so i don’t use unencrypted ftp connection. followed a guide i found online, and it worked. but ssh is not allowing connections. it says only sftp connection allowed. how to have both SFTP and SSH.
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16:26<nihad_dk>user i wanted to have ssh and sftp access is member of sftp group. does this have anything to do with this? :)
16:27<nihad_dk>if so, what group should user be member of.
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16:29<s0cket>ok, I'm back again after 2 hours of googling and messing around with xorg.conf, I still didn't solve my problem.
16:29<Hobbyboy>I'm certain that both ssh and sftp are enabled by default
16:29<s0cket>so the problem is that I've installed the proprietary nvidia driver, but I can't change the resolution past 1024x768
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16:31<s0cket>the most likely reason is, I'm using a vga cable so there's no edid information sent, I've tried disabling edid check in xorg.conf but it still doesn't work
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16:32<nihad_dk>@Hobbyboy i couldn’t connect using sftp to my server. it’s clean install.
16:32<Hobbyboy>is openssh-server installed?
16:33<nihad_dk>@Hobbyboy “openssl is already the newest version.” according to apt-get yes.
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16:35<retrospectacus>nihad_dk: you screwed it up somehow. Simple "apt-get install ssh" would allow ssh and sftp with no further configuration, guaranteed.
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16:36<nihad_dk>@Hobbyboy when i try to access ssh that worked fine before. it prompts for password and after that says. “This service allows sftp connections only.” root ssh works just fine
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16:37<nihad_dk>retrospectacus: probably. I am thinking it might be with user groups. as i’ve added users to sftp group to allow them to use sftp. perhaps they need to be member of “ssh” group
16:37<retrospectacus>I guess. There is no need to use groups at all
16:39<Guest4592>I am trying out Jessie with the Mate Desktop Environment & I want to install it but the Desktop has INSTALL SID? I thought sid was 'unstable'? How do I install Jessie?
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16:40<retrospectacus>nihad_dk: any system user can use ssh and sftp if ssh is installed (and the user has a valid login shell). There is no need to add them to any group.
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16:40<Hobbyboy>Have you tried resetting openssh?
16:41<blast007>Guest4592: what ISO did you boot from?
16:41<Guest4592>the "live" iso
16:43<nihad_dk>Hobbyboy: i’ll see if undoing changes restores ssh operations as it was before. tried only partial undo, of line that “disables” the sftp over ssh port… but that didn’t do anything. will roll back all changes and see..
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16:43<Guest4592>blast007, actually I did not boot from ISO but I burnt an image to disk & Iam running live from disk
16:43<nihad_dk>Hobbyboy: thsi is the line Subsystem sftp /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server
16:43<nihad_dk>#Subsystem sftp internal-sftp
16:44<blast007>Guest4592: well, right.. I mean, what ISO did you use?
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16:44<Hobbyboy>If you comment that out, that disables sftp altogether
16:45<s0cket>I just don't understand why do I do this to myself. I know linux is shit. why do I keep trying to use it on a workstation that would be so much better off with windows. None of these things EVER happen there. Want to install a video driver? good luck messing around with your fucking OS kernel, then messing arround with your display server configuration for days just to get it to show SOMETHING. then fail to set the reso
16:45<s0cket>this is literally every linux experience that I've had for the past 8 years
16:45<Hobbyboy>nihad_dk: You need this one uncommented: Subsystem sftp /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server
16:45<Hobbyboy>s0cket: How did you install the drivers?
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16:46<s0cket>it's a secret. I've used sudo apt-get install
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16:48<blast007>s0cket: fwiw, I've had issues with my VGA CRT display doing paste 1024x768@60Hz, but haven't tried anything beyond using xrandr to add/set new modes (1280x1024@85Hz and 1600x1200@75Hz).
16:48<nihad_dk>Hobbyboy: now i’ve got ssh restored. sftp not working… :D
16:49<Hobbyboy>Can you pastebin your sshd config?
16:49<blast007>s0cket: I'm to the point of assuming my display just doesn't tell the system the correct information (since I've had similar results with the intel drivers, and both the free and proprietary nvidia drivers)
16:49<s0cket>it doesn't, you're correct
16:50<Guest4592>blast007, "debian-live-8.0.0-i386-mate-desktop.iso"
16:50<nihad_dk>retrospectacus: following the guide mentiones adding #Match group sftponly to sshd_config … that’s why i changed users group. as users need to change files that might be shared by group
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16:52<nihad_dk>Hobbyboy: http://pastebin.com/k0szk5BH
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16:54<Hobbyboy>I can see why it wasn't working before
16:55<nihad_dk>in that state, ssh is working, sftp is not.
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16:56<Hobbyboy>is openssh-sftp-server installed?
16:57<blast007>Guest4592: looks to show the same thing on my Debian 8 Gnome live DVD. It may just be a typo. Though it looks like the install window is part-way off the screen on my system, so I don't think I could even use that to install.
16:57<Hobbyboy>and did you restart the service after updating the config?
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16:57<blast007>Guest4592: using the normal install media might be a better option.
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16:59<Guest4592>blast007, HMMM? I just looked under"System Tools" & it has Install sid there too?
16:59<miffe>Hello, is there a way to get efibootmgr in rescue mode?
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17:00<blast007>Guest4592: I mean use the normal installer ISOs, not the live ISO
17:00<nihad_dk>Hobbyboy ssh and proftp have been restarted after changes. not sure about openssl-sftp being installed i guess it is. as it allowes sftp connection when ssh is disabled. :D
17:00<Guest4592>blast007, Yes I will download the 'normal' install now - thankyou -'b'ye!
17:01<Hobbyboy>ok
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17:02<retrospectacus>nihad_dk: I have no sftp package installed and have not done any congfiguration at all, and any normal user can use ssh or sftp no problem
17:02<retrospectacus>nihad_dk: perhaps you followed a guide to configure users to *only* be able to use sftp, no ssh
17:04<s0cket>"Due to buggy hardware or drivers, your monitor's correct resolutions may not always be detected" how about your buggy piece of shit with ass backwards configuration that is x server??that can't POSSIBLY be the reason right??
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17:04<s0cket>buggy hardware that ONLY has bugs on linux
17:05<retrospectacus>s0cket: who are you talking to
17:05<s0cket>MYSELF
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17:05<blast007>s0cket: well, on Windows, there might be more hard-coded hacks that workaround all those buggy hardware devices
17:05<nihad_dk>retrospectacus: din’t install anything either. ssh and proftp is default now. i’ve reverted to that. so it might be that groups are the reason why it doesn’t work. i mean. it does work for root users. so its only non-root users that it doesn’t work for.
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17:06<retrospectacus>you don't need any ftp server like proftpd either
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17:08<retrospectacus>1) install debian with zero packages 2) install ssh 3) create a user 4) it works
17:09<retrospectacus>you do not need an ftp server. You do not need to create or manange any groups. You do not need to edit any configuration
17:09<retrospectacus>I don't know what guide you followed but it apparently was not what you wanted
17:10<nihad_dk>i understand. but my ftp client doesn’t connect to sftp server on default config.
17:11<retrospectacus>then use a better client. Afaik any modern one will support sftp
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17:12<retrospectacus>note that sftp is not ftps (it is much better). Sftp uses port 22 same as ssh
17:12<nihad_dk>it is suppose to be modern. :D it has dropdown option for different connection types.. when selecting sftp no juice. regular ftp work. ftp tls no juice ..
17:12<blast007>nihad_dk: what OS are you trying to connect from?
17:12<retrospectacus>nihad_dk: on debian, run sftp localhost
17:12<nihad_dk>that’s why i went and searchs for debian enble sftp. :D
17:13<nihad_dk>blast007: OS X and transmit client.
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17:14<nihad_dk>retrospectacus: it works and it works on my os x as well.. but only thru terminal. not thru gui
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17:15<blast007>then why would you think that it was a server-side issue?
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17:19<nihad_dk>my previous statement that sftp localhost works was wrong. i was on my local machine when i tried it. :D thought i was on server. … when trying to sftp user@localhost on server… it tells me /etc/ssh/ssh_config: line 54: Bad configuration option: PermitRootLogin
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17:20<nihad_dk>but line 54 contains this : #KerberosAuthentication no
17:20<koollman>nihad_dk: /etc/ssh/ssh_config or /etc/ssh/sshd_config ?
17:20<nihad_dk>aaa… :D
17:20<nihad_dk>minor detail… :D
17:21<retrospectacus>that would only affect your ssh client on the server, but seems likely you messed something else up, possibly in sshd_config
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17:26<nihad_dk>retrospectacus: most probably…
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17:28<nihad_dk>forgot to mention… users do not have home folders… they are jailed (chroot) to /var/www
17:29<nihad_dk>perhaps home variable is the reason for sftp not allowing access?
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17:33<Darby_Crash>hi to all folks :)
17:33<nihad_dk>filezilla throws this error message Error: Received unexpected end-of-file from SFTP server
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17:35<seba78>hello, I see this message on boot: Job rpcbind.service/start deleted to break ordering cycle starting with basic.target/start. I have jessie mate, I face the same problem with jessie xfce with my laptop
17:35<retrospectacus>nihad_dk: yes user's home must be defined and exist and be readable by the user, some rules like that
17:35<seba78>almost forgot, both SO are 64bit
17:36<retrospectacus>nihad_dk: get ssh working, then sftp will work for the client
17:36<seba78>and always in both I have the separate home partition
17:36<awal>Since kernel 3.16 I was affected bu this bugs https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=773661 https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=79261 in two debian machines (Jessie and Sid/Stretch) installing in legacy bios mode. Today I did a fresh Jessie installation in UEFI mode (boot mode set to uefi, secure boot and legacy OPROM disabled) and problem solved. Rebooted a few times and no error messages, 0 errors at all. So I think that the errors
17:36<awal>discussed in the bugs are uefi related.
17:36<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/773661 in src:linux (open): «linux-image-3.16-3-amd64: drm error messages on boot»; severity: minor; opened: 2014-12-21; last modified: 2015-02-11.
17:36<retrospectacus>nihad_dk: server sshd log should be revealing (syslog or whatever it is with systemd)
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17:38<retrospectacus>awal: ignore it
17:38<retrospectacus>seba78: what is the problem?
17:38<nihad_dk>retrospectacus: thanks. getting ssh working… i just realised i never tried to connect to ssh and sftp with the same user… doing so ssh says actually that users home folder is not existing.
17:38<retrospectacus>there you go
17:39<seba78>retrospectacus: actually I see only this message, but the machine goes well
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17:39<retrospectacus>great
17:39<seba78>:)
17:39<awal>retrospectacus: I did yeah. But it's very annoying and it seems that some people experiment crashs in X and no boot at all because of those errors. It's a pleasure now see my debian personal / working machine booting without errors :)
17:40<seba78>I asked only to understand if something's wrong
17:40<seba78>or maybe if it could be easy to solve it
17:40<seba78>but nothing more
17:40<seba78>fortunately...
17:40<seba78>:)
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17:42<seba78>awal so I can say that I'm luck
17:42<Darby_Crash>seba78, is this the message on boot? Job rpcbind.service/start deleted to break ordering cycle starting with basic.target/start
17:42<seba78>you had reinstall the so
17:42<seba78>yes on boot
17:43<seba78>on my desktop I have also the msg for path, like this:
17:43<awal>seba78: your issue is maybe related with https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=763315
17:43<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/763315 in systemd (open): «systemd: Dependency loop between basic.target, nfs-common, rpcbind,...»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-09-29; last modified: 2015-04-09.
17:43<nihad_dk>i now know what to work on. thanks for all your help retrospectacus and blast007 … just thought that it could be nice to have different users running for different hosts and services but not having home folders for those users. and these users being able to sftp to files (domain folders) they own.
17:44<nihad_dk>*hosts = domains
17:44<seba78>thanks awal that was the first bug I looked but I don't if they solved it
17:44<seba78>and since it was september 2014
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17:45<seba78>i thought that when jessie came out the thing was already solved
17:45<seba78>but i naturally i was wrong
17:45<seba78>:)
17:45<seba78>*i don't know
17:45<awal>the bug have severity 'normal'
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17:46<awal>which systemd version you have?
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17:46<seba78>thanks judd
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17:47<seba78>How can i control that awal?
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17:47<awal>apt-cache policy systemd
17:47<seba78>ok :)
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17:48<seba78>systemd:
17:48<seba78> Installato: 215-17
17:48<seba78> Candidato: 215-17
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17:48<seba78> Tabella versione:
17:48<seba78> *** 215-17 0
17:48<seba78> 500 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ jessie/main amd64 Packages
17:48<seba78> 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
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17:51<Darby_Crash>is last version
17:51<seba78>ok
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17:53<Darby_Crash>i think that it's all seba78 :)
17:54<seba78>ok
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17:54<seba78>:)
17:54<seba78>thanks all anyway
17:54<seba78>:)
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17:55<Darby_Crash>it isn't fixed
17:55<seba78>fine
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17:57<awal>seba78:do you get same errors booting with sysvinit?
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17:58<seba78>sorry awal but I don't know what you mean
17:58<awal>maybe your system won't boot at all with sysv . if you run gnome. not sure...
17:58<seba78>i run mate
17:58<seba78>and on the other pc xfce
17:59<seba78>ok I understand, you're telling me that maybe with gnome I could've problem in booting also
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18:02<awal>seba78: NO, that's not what I mean. I mean next time you reboot your machine select advanced option entry in grub and boot with sysvinit, then look if you get same errors. in the bug it's said that maybe it's nfs-common related no systemd....
18:02<seba78>ah ok fine thanks
18:02<myztic>good site for checking hw compatbility with debian before buying? (so no copy-paste lspci output)
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18:04<awal>you can check http://www.linux-laptop.net/
18:05<myztic>should have mentioned: self built server
18:06<myztic>got a t520 that will outlive me as it seems, will quite do the job for a few more years ;)
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18:07<myztic>Well I should be fine, I stuck with Intel wherever possible and the Linux Kernel of Jessie is relatively new
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18:16<Ir0nsh007er>original : * Debian backports security fixes and new features, judging software by comparing the version number of the Debian package to the upstream version number does not take this into account I need translate in french plz
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18:18<seba78>i try to reboot with sysvinit :)
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19:08<seba78>I just saw the procedure to boot with sysinitiv, honestly I prefer a dynamic init, at the moment I keep systemd hoping for a possible fix. By the way thanks awal for the support :D
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19:09<seba78>*a future possible fix
19:09<seba78>goodnight
19:09<seba78>see you ;)
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20:52<dioo>Hi, I upgraded to Jessie on my VPS, but now django won't start (there's an issue importing _psycopg.so). I notice that uname -a reports a 2.6.32 kernel. I'm guessing this is the root of the issue?
20:52<sney>did you upgrade to wheezy first? that's a squeeze kernel
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20:55<dioo>sney: I don't think I can upgrade the kernel (/boot is empty)
20:55<sney>yeah, it's the kind of thing you often can't do on a vps
20:55<sney>at least you can't do it manually. contact your vps provider
20:55<dioo>sney: Ok, will do
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21:11<FloppyMcDisk>Hello?
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21:22<brute>install debian 8 into vbox and vmware resulted in "oops " screen both had 1gig memory is it video memory? or 2gig ram default?
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21:23<brute>the screen happens during boot
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21:43<Celelibi>If a bug has been fixed in a newer upstream version, is it a good enough reason to change the severity of a bug report from whishlist to normal?
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21:43<Celelibi>The actual bug is that gprolog sometime give a wrong result.
21:44<somiaj>Celelibi: I would put a comment that the bug is fixed in upstream, and then just let it get closed when the new upstream package is made.
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21:45<Celelibi>bug #705740 mention some bugfix exists.
21:45<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/705740 in gprolog (open): «gprolog: update to newer version»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2013-04-19; last modified: 2013-04-19.
21:46<Celelibi>But yeah, maybe an actual example of buggy program would speed things up a tiny little bit.
21:46<Celelibi>(Given that the bug is more than 2 years old, I kinda doubt it.)
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21:47<somiaj>could it be the matian just doens't have time for this anymore, and that is why he hasn't packaged a new upstream version. Seems to be an older bug.
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21:47<somiaj>yea looks like the package hasn't been updated since squeeze, it could just be orphaned.
21:48<somiaj>Celelibi: that package looks to have very little support, not sure the best course. You can of cours use uupdate or something similar and try to make your own pakage from upstream.
21:49<Celelibi>I build the new upstream version.
21:49<somiaj>As for getting the newer version packaged in debian, not sure the best approach since it does have a matianer on its list.
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21:49<somiaj>looks like the last time the matainer did anything in that package was 2008
21:49<somiaj>http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/g/gprolog/unstable_changelog
21:50<somiaj>If you make a new package that fits with debian policy you may be able to find a sponsor to upload it. Not sure the best course of action with teh matainer seeming to be inactive on this package.
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21:57<dioo>Hi, does anyone use django? I get a weird error where it's importing python3 modules (in between imports of python2.7, as specified)
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22:02<mait>Just upgraded to Jessie, emacs24 and vm.
22:02<mait>ERROR: vm is broken - called emacs-package-remove as a new-style add-on, but has no compat file.
22:02<mait>emacs throws errors mentioning defun*
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22:03<mait>Should vm work in Jessie?
22:04<mait>(vm is the Kyle Jones View Mail mua for emacs)
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22:06<dioo>#Question: why does 'apt-get autoremove' want to remove apache2.2-bin when replacing libapache2-mod-wsgi-py3 by libapache2-mod-wsgi?
22:06<mait>Symbol's function definition is void: defun*
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22:08<mait>dioo: In Jessie it is apache 2.4 - so apache2.2-bin can go away.
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22:11<dioo>mait: Ok. Looks like you're right. Thanks :)
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22:13<awal>Having gnome power manager and xfce4 power manager why fbautostart (loaded with fluxbox) starts the xfce one not the gnome one?
22:14<somiaj>dioo: autoremove only gets packages that were installed automatically. So that was probabaly pulled in when you isntalled 'apache2' package, the upgrade made it no longer need the older version.
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22:25<dioo>Not sure if this is a bug, but after wheezy to jessie upgrade, libapache2-mod-wsgi upgraded to libapache2-mod-wsgi-py3 (yet python-django wasn't upgraded to python3-django).
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22:31<kingsley__>Does the following one-liner display the UTF-8 block character "▒" for you?
22:32<kingsley__>xterm -u8 -fn '-adobe-courier-bold-o-normal--24-240-75-75-m-150-iso10646-1' -e "echo The next line should be a UTF-8 block character ; echo "▒" ; echo The previous line should be a UTF-8 block character ; sleep 5"
22:32<somiaj>dioo: jessie has both python 2.7 and 3 stuff. Seems as if libapache2-mod-wsgi is still in jessie and depends on python 2. It might be you had some other package that required the apache2 mod to be changed the the pythone 3 version.
22:32<kingsley__>At least for me, it does not.
22:33<somiaj>dioo: I wouldn't call it a bug, seems to be some paticular to the software you have installed over changing just some stuff to python3.
22:33<somiaj>dioo: you could run 'aptitude why libapache2-mod-wsgi-py3' to see which package pulled it in.
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22:34<kingsley__>For what it's worth, I'd also be interested in knowing if
22:35<kingsley__>xterm -u8 -e "echo The next line should be a UTF-8 block character ; echo "▒" ; echo The previous line should be a UTF-8 block character ; sleep 5"
22:35<kingsley__>renders the UTF-8 block character "▒".
22:38<somiaj>kingsley__: you might want to see if you can find xterm more specifc support. I know it supports utf-8, does running
22:38<somiaj>does running uxterm help?
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22:39<kingsley__>somiaj: Yes, you suggestion and question seem reasonable to me.
22:39<kingsley__>uxterm didn't help.
22:40<kingsley__>Having said that, I'd be interested in knowing if it works for you.
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22:40<somiaj>I have never paid much attention to utf8 and not sure if my terms are configured for it or not. (:
22:42<kingsley__>somiaj: If I asked you nicely, would you please be willing to try...
22:42<kingsley__>xterm -u8 -e "echo The next line should be a UTF-8 block character ; echo "▒" ; echo The previous line should be a UTF-8 block character ; sleep 5"
22:42<somiaj>kingsley__: I can't even see utf8 characters in irc, copying and pasting may loose the character as all I see is ?
22:42<somiaj>kingsley__: but this is due to the server my irc client is on.
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22:43<somiaj>kingsley__: what character are you trying to use?
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22:44<kingsley__>somiaj: Oh... do you see anything between the double quotes following the echo example I gave a few lines ago?
22:45<somiaj>kingsley__: I see a ?, what character is this, I have a utf-8 list and they all seem to be working for me
22:46<kingsley__>It's the U+2592 character at http://www.utf8-chartable.de/unicode-utf8-table.pl?start=9600&number=128
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22:46<kingsley__>Maybe your web browser supports UTF-8.
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22:47<kingsley__>I'd describe the character as looking like a tall, gray, block.
22:47<somiaj>kingsley__: I'm albe to paste the character from my browser into my xterms just fine. So it works
22:47<somiaj>kingsley__: its just my irc client has some utf-8 issues I never tracked down.
22:48<kingsley__>somiaj: Please do ...
22:48<somiaj>kingsley__: I said I am able to just fine.
22:48<kingsley__>$ xterm -u8 -fn '-adobe-courier-bold-o-normal--24-240-75-75-m-150-iso10646-1'
22:49<kingsley__>and try copying the UTF-8 charatcer from your web browser into the xterm.
22:49<kingsley__>Can you see it in the xterm?
22:51<kingsley__>somiaj: ^
22:51<somiaj>yes that was what just fine means
22:52<kingsley__>Was the working xterm run with "-u8" and "-fn '-adobe-courier-bold-o-normal--24-240-75-75-m-150-iso10646-1'"?
22:53<somiaj>oh you are using a paticular font
22:53<somiaj>that is an old font (not xft) I would be surprised if it had utf-8 characters
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22:54<somiaj>it worked, but I doubt I ahve that font on my system so it probabaly fell back to an xft font.
22:54<kingsley__>somiaj: That's interesting.
22:55<kingsley__>Thank you very much for indulging my curiousity.
22:55*mait decides vm works, but not my customized elisp...
22:55<somiaj>kingsley__: yea I don't have that font, Warning: Cannot convert string "-adobe-courier-bold-o-normal--24-240-75-75-m-150-iso10646-1" to type FontStruct
22:55*kingsley__ wonders how to tell which fonts support UTF-8 block characters.
22:56<somiaj>use xft fonts and you should be fine.
22:56*kingsley__ hoped the substring "iso10646-1" was significant.
22:56<somiaj>I just use xft fonts in my xterm, not sure why you are trying to use the old stanadard of fonts, haven't seen those for a while now.
22:57<somiaj>I set my font info via .Xdefaults, I'm using "xterm*faceName: Lucida Console", "xterm*renderfont: true", "xterm*faceSize: 9"
22:58<somiaj>when you hit ctrl-right-click on an xterm do you get a menu to select utf-8 fonts and true type?
22:58<somiaj>but I'm no expert on xterm, you may get better support from an xterm channel
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23:00<kingsley__>Yes, when I hit ctrl-right-click on an xterm, I get a menu to select "UTF-8 Fonts", and that line is already prefaced with a check mark.
23:00<kingsley__>Here's the big but.
23:01<kingsley__>BUT, the xterm doesn't render a UTF-8 U+2592 block character that I copied from a web browser.
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23:08<kingsley__>somiaj: I'm happy to report that ctrl-right-click -> true type fonts allowed my xterm to render the UTF-8 block character.
23:08<kingsley__>somiaj: Thanks!
23:12<kingsley__>Now if I can just figure out how to enable true type fonts with a command line option to xterm.
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23:15<somiaj>kingsley__: why not just set up .Xdefaults
23:15<kingsley__>somiaj: I think .Xdefaults may be OK too.
23:16<kingsley__>At the moment, I'm looking for a good font on my computer.
23:16<kingsley__>For what it's worth, tt seems to me that ...
23:16<kingsley__>$ fc-list :fontformat=TrueType -f "%{family}\n" | sort -u | less
23:17<kingsley__>may list the true type fonts that are installed, and they can be tested with
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23:17<kingsley__>$ xterm -fa 'Andale Mono' -fs 20
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23:27<punkunity>need help with this issue
23:27<punkunity>https://www.zerobin.net/?d2371052216c48ff#Xv/+gnliDUwfLhZxv9Adfd2LZxzEFC4mF41Bd6iMw40=
23:29<sney>!pieces
23:29<dpkg>rumour has it, sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
23:29<punkunity>lmao
23:30<punkunity>i dont remember adding sid repos tho
23:30<sney>sid immediately after a stable release is the bumpiest ride available.
23:30<sney>well, you've got them.
23:30<punkunity>indeed
23:30<punkunity>i was kinda wondering abou that
23:30<punkunity>ahhh well
23:30<punkunity>its not really messing a lot up, just makes it a pain to remove those packages
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23:49<punkunity>livin on the edge brah
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