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---Logopened Sat May 09 00:00:39 2015
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00:19<kingsley__>somiaj: I'm 99% back in the land of 1000 happy dances. Thanks again.
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00:37<Imperator|2>hey, I've just gone to install AMD64 debian jessie onto my server and it's saying that it needs non-free firmware
00:38<sney>unfortunate side effect of broadcom server nics
00:38<AlexLikeRock>Imperator|2, edit and add nano /etc/apt/sources.list
00:38<sney>get the firmware-bnx2 package to provide it
00:39<dpkg>bnx2 is a Linux kernel driver supporting Broadcom NetXtreme II 1Gb (BCM5706/5708/5709/5716) Ethernet controllers. Firmware from userspace is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-bnx2 package to provide. To provide firmware for device use at Debian installation time, ask me about <installer firmware>. See also <bnx2x>.
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00:40<sleser>guys is it complicated to up upgrade from 7.8 to 8 ?
00:42<sleser>am i going to loose everything i had before ?
00:42<AlexLikeRock>just wait
00:42<sleser>so itll come for update ?
00:42<AlexLikeRock> not touch you personal data
00:43<sleser>so i just wait and update will come ?
00:43<AlexLikeRock>any more
00:43<AlexLikeRock> bye
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00:44<sney>!release notes
00:44<dpkg>Release notes for Debian 8 "Jessie" are at . See also <wheezy->jessie>, <install guide>.
00:44<sney>sleser: ^ there is a section on upgrading in the release notes.
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00:59<Imperator>going through installing Debian, I'm trying to do partitions, but it won't detect the two 750gb SATAs I have installed
01:00<sney>you're the server guy from before? are they on a raid controller? if so they need to be set up as volume(s) on the raid controller before the installer will see them
01:02<Imperator>got given an old server and I've never done this before, thanks
01:03<sney>np. if the controller is old and complaining about a bad battery, set the disks up as separate 1-disk RAID-O volumes or JBOD if the controller lets you.
01:03<Imperator>it's a bunch of fun cause it's been completely wiped
01:04<sney>that way you can do redundancy in software if you want it, and it's less likely to lose data due to flaky hardware
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02:18<sleser>for me this upgrading from weezy stable to jessie stable looks dificult i read the instalation infos its so large i cant remember or do it
02:18<sleser>id like some ones help to guid me trough it not tonite
02:18<sleser>another day
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02:19<sleser>yeh and im sorry that i iritate with things all the time too that instalation notice for me is too large because i dont understand what im looking to do . im looking just to upgrade . and bsides upgrades there just too many info there like
02:19<sleser>ok another day g-nite
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04:54<orjan->hi, I can do systemctl suspend in terminal and it works fine but and I can wake up by rasing the lid on the laptop, is it possible to wake up from keyboard?
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05:36<somiaj>orjan-: if a machine can be woken up from a keyboard is a function of the bois. Many do have an option, my bios allows me to wake on pushing escape.
05:36<somiaj>orjan-: some bios let you configure this.
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05:38<somiaj>orjan-: many laptops just touching the power button will resume it from suppsuend.
05:39<orjan-> somiaj thanks will try
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06:12<berarma>What's the easiest way to share a printer in a local network with other Debian systems?
06:13<azzenovic>Hi guys I am using jessie on hp620 laptop . upon boot I have failed to load/save rfkill switch status rfkill message . however the wifi is perfectly working . How can I fix this and make that message disappear ?
06:14<dpkg>CUPS (formerly Common Unix Printing System) provides a portable printing layer for Unix-based operating systems and supports the Internet Printing Protocol. To install, ask me about <cups setup>. See also <debug cups>. ##cups on
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06:29<berarma>Thanks musca, I think cups isn't configured by default to be used in a network. I'm always getting some kind of problem. The printconf package mentioned below doesn't exist.
06:29<berarma>!cups setup
06:29<dpkg>rumour has it, cups setup is "aptitude install cups cups-bsd foomatic-db". Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy! Optionally install the printconf package to automatically install attached printers. To troubleshoot printing problems, ask me about <debug cups>.
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06:33<dorian>help mon sev veux pas s allumer
06:35<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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06:55<l4mbd4>Anyone know how to come by this glitch?
06:55<l4mbd4>I'm also using nvidia proprietary drivers
06:56<l4mbd4>But I need them for 3d applications
06:57<l4mbd4>oh wrong channel sorry! ignore above messages please
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07:47<fixed>hi all. Installing debian 8. and missing firmware rtl8168g . i went to debian non free packages on debians website and downloaded the .dep package - put it on a usb stick and inserted it into the machine i am installing on... however when clicking "yes" to "load missing firmware from removable media" the installer does not find it. Is this the wrong process for loading missing firmware?
07:47<fixed>and if - how should i do?
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07:49<Brigo>fixed, try to install it yourself with dpkg -i package.deb
07:50<fixed>hi Brigo . thanks for your reply :). do you mean after the debian system installer is over and the system is up and running?
07:50<Brigo>fixed, when you prefer. It will just put the firmware in the right directory.
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07:51<fixed>how can I get at terminal during the install process?
07:51<Brigo>if graphic install with cnt+alt+F2 or F3, if not graphic, with alt+F2 or F3
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07:52<fixed>ahh... ok - I am now trying :)
07:53<Brigo>fixed, good luck :)
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07:59<K-202>Any way to set minimum interval between mouse double click in Debian 8 / XFCE?
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08:02<fixed>hmm... i get -/bin/sh: dpkg; not found
08:03<Brigo>fixed, did you need the firmware just now?
08:04<fixed>hmm.. no i can do with out untill the system is installed ...
08:05<fixed>I think :)... so do you think I should just try it again when sthe system install is finished?
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08:07<Brigo>fixed, yes, then you will have dpkg available, or you just can add non-free repos and install from there with apt-get.
08:07<fixed>cool :)
08:07<fixed>thanks Brigo! I will try that out :)
08:08<Brigo>fixed, np :)
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08:11<knugen>Does anyone have a professional radio broadcasting program to recommend? I'm thinking of replacing my old windows enviroment in my "studio" but i haven't still found something similar to Sam Broadcaster, but for Linux :) thx
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08:14<azzenovic>Hi guys I am using jessie on hp620 laptop . upon boot I have failed to load/save rfkill switch status rfkill message . however the wifi is perfectly working . How can I fix this and make that message disappear ?
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08:15<Brigo>azzenovic, can you paste the rfkill message?
08:16<l4mbd4>knugen: I don't know personally but I think on jupiter broadcasting they have talked about that in the pat
08:17<knugen>l4mbd4 thx, i will have a look later.
08:18<azzenovic>brigo, here it is : failed to load/save rfkill switch status rfkill
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08:19<Brigo>azzenovic, sorry, i must go.
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08:19<azzenovic>ok no prob brigo thx anyway
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08:31<azzenovic>● systemd-rfkill@rfkill2.service loaded failed failed Load/Save RF Kill Switch S
08:31<azzenovic>LOAD = Reflects whether the unit definition was properly loaded.
08:31<azzenovic>ACTIVE = The high-level unit activation state, i.e. generalization of SUB.
08:31<azzenovic>SUB = The low-level unit activation state, values depend on unit type.
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08:33<azzenovic>how can i fix this please
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08:50<zulu>hi, just migrated from wheezy to jessy, how to you exactly upgrade your postgresql cluster from 9.1 to 9.4?
08:50<zulu>jessie sorry
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08:54<berarma>zulu: have you read the docs in /usr/share/doc/postgresql-9.4? I think it's there.
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08:55<konp>help /ignore
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09:01<zulu>thx berarma I followed the procedure, droped the new 'empty' 9.4 cluster an migrated the 9.1, however, the 9.4 postgresql refuse to start now...
09:02<zulu>the log don't tell anything...
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09:04<zulu>systemctl just tell me he fail starting postgresql@9.4-main service
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09:05<zulu>the /var/log/postgresql/main-postgresql-9.4.log has no clue about what hapening...
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09:07<berarma>zulu: I don't know, you could take a look at the BTS for reported problems.
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09:11<zulu>nothing related,
09:11<zulu>there use to be a pg_startup.log ? can't find it...
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09:19<musca>zulu: journalctl -xb
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09:22<zulu>systemd[1]: Unit postgresql@9.4-main.service entered failed state. (not that usefull) thx musca anyway
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09:30<zulu>ahh wait it tells postgresql@9.4-main[12083]: Cluster is already running
09:30<zulu>but failed
09:30<zulu>however my I stopped postgresql-9.1
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09:35<fanto666>hello, unattended-upgrades does not upgrade libreoffice packages, the debug message is multiple times "pkg 'libreoffice-evolution' now marked delete|", is this a known problem?
09:35<fanto666>wheezy i386
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09:40<Jeff1>Im trying to folow but i get no where starting with the code in #!
09:41<Jeff1>sorry #1
09:41<Jeff1>im in root.
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09:42<fanto666>can't you edit the file?
09:43<Jeff1>/etc/apt/sources.list ?
09:44<Jeff1>apperernetly- i was supposed to type "edit" first?
09:44<fanto666>you should edit it with a text editor
09:44<fanto666>edit could work
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09:45<Jeff1>probably better go to text edit
09:45<Jeff1>how do i get to it via text?
09:46<fanto666>try 'nano /etc/apt/sources.list'
09:46<myztic>I want to forbid a program (VPN Client) to manipulate a file (resolv.conf), but can't in the settings, could I somehow protect resolv.conf? (chmod u-w does not help)
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09:48<Gabriel_7>Which VPN client?
09:48<Jeff1>ah, looks a little different now :)
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09:49<myztic>Gabriel_7 AirVPN, have not contacted support regarding that issue so far
09:50<myztic>Gabriel_7 It must be the client that resets resolv.conf when reconnects happen to something like "domain lan, domain internet, *router-ip"
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09:50<Jeff1>^v in nano- is that supposed to be like shift?
09:51<Jeff1>shift v = ^v
09:51<Jeff1>(im trying to save my work in the nano
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09:53<cicada>how to I upgrade from wheezy to jessie?
09:54<jalcine>sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
09:54<jalcine>cicada: ^
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09:54<themill>cicada: following the advice of the release notes.
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09:54<themill>dpkg: tell cicada about wheezy->jessie
09:54<Jeff1>we appear to be making progress, thanks!
09:54<cicada>thanks a lot ;-)
09:55<Jeff1>so if i need to edit a file like xorg.conf or something "nano" is the key?
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09:56<cicada>cd into the directory where the file is
09:56<cicada>nano into it
09:56<cicada>ctrl+o to save
09:56<cicada>ctrl+x to exit
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09:58<Jeff1>very cool thx
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10:14<Jeff1>okay, so the last little thing.. Im trying to run dual screen... my nvidia x server settings recognizes them now,
10:14<Jeff1>my second monitor is lit up- like there is a signal, but the screen is black
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10:26<samkod>I'm running wheezy (soon to be jessie) and I was wondering if anyone knows how to create a desktop icon for the panel main menu in mate
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12:35<bartvk>Hi, just installed a machine with Jessy. I tried to install the DenyHosts package but it's not there. What's the alternative?
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12:37<berarma>,v denyhosts
12:37<judd>Package: denyhosts on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 2.6-7+deb6u3; squeeze: 2.6-7+deb6u3; wheezy: 2.6-10+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 2.6-10+deb7u3
12:39<bartvk>Yeah so it's not there, I get that :)
12:39<berarma>bartvk: a quick apt search shows me sshguard
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12:40<bartvk>Hmm thanks, I'll have a look at that
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12:47<jhutchins>I think there are good practices that mean denyhosts isn't a good solution.
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12:51<jhutchins>bartvk: Are you running ssh on 22?
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13:16<Nezos>anyone has experience with exim and dovecot, a) i can't start the server when i set the pop3s protocol b) connection resets by peer when connecting to 995 port without even trying to authenticate
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13:17<valdyn>Nezos: read the log
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13:17<sney>/var/log/mail.log, that is. every mail server admin's best friend and confidant
13:19<Nezos>in the first question the log says: Unknown protocol: pop3s but in the documentation it exists
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13:20<Nezos>the log says: pop3-login: Aborted login (no auth attempts in 0 secs)
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13:20<Nezos>i've been searching for the last 5hours...
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13:21<valdyn>Nezos: is dovecot-pop3d installed?
13:22<Nezos>i can telnet from localhost at 110
13:22<Nezos>everything fine there
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13:23<Nezos>i can test also with openssl and what the wiki in dovecot was saying worked, but when i try to ssh i get disconnected
13:24<valdyn>Nezos: thats quite irrelevant when the log already is having a problem with your setting
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13:24<valdyn>: Unknown protocol: pop3s
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13:26<valdyn>Nezos: so how are you causing that error?
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13:28<valdyn>Nezos: i think youre trying to apply dovecot 1 config to debians dovecot 2
13:28<valdyn>Nezos: but you already know what you edited - i cant tell you
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13:30<Nezos>theunknown protocol error is caused by inserting into usr/share/dovecot/protocols.d/pop3dprotocol the pop3s after pop3
13:31<valdyn>Nezos: dont mess with files outside /etc/
13:31<Nezos>if i remove it the service starts although i can't access the server from another host
13:31<valdyn>Nezos: its just wrong, learn about config files
13:32<valdyn>Nezos: everything you may need to adjust is in /etc/dovecot/
13:33<Nezos>well the config file is pointing there, that's why i ended there
13:33<valdyn>Nezos: pointing? what is that supposed to mean?
13:33<Nezos>let me find the line and paste it
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13:35<Nezos># Enable installed protocols
13:35<Nezos>!include_try /usr/share/dovecot/protocols.d/*.protocol
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13:35<Nezos>this is in dovecot.conf
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13:36<Jeff1>my second monitor is all black screen, the onlything that shows is a mouse pointer..
13:37<Jeff1>monitor is "on" says there is a "signal" but its black screen, onlything that shows is mouse. how do i fix that?
13:37<Nezos>if you see the mouse pointer than it's working:P
13:37<Jeff1>well, i cant use it as a second monitor
13:38<Nezos>try to drag one window to the right or left
13:38<l4mbd4>are you on gnome-shell?
13:38<valdyn>Nezos: edit /etc/dovecot/20-master.conf
13:38<Jeff1>yes- gnome
13:38<Jeff1>no to dragging
13:38<valdyn>Nezos: err 10-master.conf
13:38<l4mbd4>how did you configure your 2nd monitor, Jeff1?
13:38<Jeff1>i probably havent configured it..
13:39<Jeff1>like under settings in gnome, it doesnt recognize 2, but in nvidia settings it does
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13:39<Jeff1>nvidia "x screen 1, x xcreen 0"
13:40<l4mbd4>so in gnome-settings it only shows your first monitor?
13:40<Jeff1>settings > displays - one monitor yes
13:40<Nezos>no protocols option there, but i have edited already the login
13:40<Jeff1>the fact that i can see my mouse pointer only- that would mean the nvidia side is functioning?
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13:41<Jeff1>im in sli. so i have one screen on one card, one on the other... does that?
13:41<l4mbd4>have you logged out and in again, probably even restarted after plugging your monitor?
13:42<Jeff1>yes- restarted, in and out.. i didnt unplug monitor, but turned it off
13:43<l4mbd4>really not an expert on that, i could only guess what your problem is... maybe someone else in here knows better
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13:47<l4mbd4>anyone need some coupons?
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14:08<mranderson>есть кто
14:08<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian ( (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
14:09<mranderson>re re
14:09<mranderson>ку ку
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14:11<mranderson>а че все молчат?
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14:18<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian ( (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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14:28<bartvk>berarma, thanks -- sshguard works fine. I just tested it and it nicely blocks with a DROP firewall rule
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15:43<Sicelo>what's the name for Debian 9?
15:44<ompaul>Sicelo: ^^
15:45*Sicelo must still upgrade to Jessie (but must get storage first)
15:46<ompaul>apt-get install storage is still buggy better to get some real stuff
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16:04<awal>My debian Jessie/gnome , installed in uefi mode, is just perfect. 0 errors anywhere. also Fn keys works just as it should. I believe that debian stable is the best OS everywhere and all the time!
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16:05<awal>the only insignificant error I get all the time, no matter which gnu/linux OS I run and no matter which laptop I have, is "dmesg | grep -i failed → [ 0.319265] acpi PNP0A08:00: _OSC failed (AE_ERROR); disabling ASPM"
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16:07<awal>I tried to understand what means googling but things aren't really clear for me. I just understood that it's related with battery. Any simple explanation about that "error" in human words?
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16:10<ompaul>undocumented feature is undocumented - suggest you ask your machine supplier in a simple polite email to explain what it is you are seeing
16:10<ompaul>btw check a new kernel on it
16:11<ompaul>oh you are in the 3 series that's ok then
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16:16<awal>it seems that disabling aspm my system just consume more power, and it's not harmful. so all fine, ehm?
16:17<ompaul>well it's disabled
16:18<ompaul>it's not great
16:18<ompaul>but better than nothing
16:18<ompaul>or unstable
16:22<awal>ok, thanks ompaul
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16:55<sleser>guys should i upgrade to 8.0 or stay with 7.8 ?
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16:56<SynrG>your choice. however, the older it gets, the more you'll need to live with out of date software, and the more the pool of people who remember and support oldstable will shrink
16:56<musca>sleser: 7.8 will be supported for at least one more year
16:57<SynrG>on the other hand, if you have better things to do with your time right now than learn new stuff, and have no pressing need for it ...
16:57<SynrG>you can defer the decision to upgrade for a while
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16:59<sleser>reason i asked is because reading chapter 5 , Chapter 5. Issues to be aware of for jessie
17:00<sleser>not sure whitch better wheezy or jessie
17:00<l4mbd4>depends on your usecase i guess
17:00<sleser>like if to use a computer for toys and intertainment
17:01<sleser>games , lots of brousing
17:01<sleser>basicaly for multimedia use
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17:02<SynrG>you can't defer upgrading forever. nothing mentioned in chapter 5 will change by waiting longer.
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17:02<SynrG>sleser: what specific concerns of chapter 5 worry you?
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17:03<sleser>basicaly everything in chapter 5 sins im not a linux genius and dont know what all that is but from english words understand what is hapening
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17:04<SynrG>well, what do you hope to gain by deferring the decision to upgrade? you eventually will need to, as debian will drop support for wheezy at some point
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17:05<SynrG>and no, not "all of chapter 5", surely
17:06<SynrG>"Upgrade concerns for LXC hosts and containers", just to pick one at random. if you don't run those (and it's likely you don't) then no worries
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17:07<SynrG>many things in this chapter only apply to you if you've done specific, non-standard things
17:08<sleser>ok lets say i upgrade to jessie . then something new comes after i can upgrade to the other one ?
17:08<SynrG>about every two years there is a new release. this means that on average, you need to upgrade once every two years.
17:08<valdyn>sleser: debian only shows its true quality when you have some expertise. If you cant or dont want to gain it, then consider using something else.
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17:09<sleser>i dont want to use something els . something other linux distro has too many iftop activity when no one using the computer and when computer just stays on
17:09<sleser>that i bet no one likes it
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17:10<l4mbd4>just upgrade
17:10<sleser>constantly computer talking to the internet . i sometimes wonder wthell is the computer doing . no1 using it and it talks to the internet all by it self
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17:11<l4mbd4>if u use it for games and other multimedia stuff then the newer the software the better
17:11<l4mbd4>especially for gaming
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17:11<sleser>jessie is going to be suported longer then weezy ?
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17:11<valdyn>sleser: no
17:12<l4mbd4>just upgrade when the new one comes out :D
17:12<valdyn>sleser: or i should say, theres no intention to do that. We cannot really know.
17:12<l4mbd4>its not that it costs anything
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17:13<sleser>l4mbd4 have you upgraded yours yet ?
17:14<l4mbd4>sleser: I don't run the stable branch of debian
17:14<l4mbd4>sleser: I am on the testing branch
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17:17<l4mbd4>but believe me, if you use your system as you said, you really want the newer software
17:20<sleser>with jessie . can i now stop using linux mint just because some games need that glibs 2.15 ?
17:20<valdyn>,v libc6
17:20<judd>Package: libc6 on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; squeeze-security-lts: 2.11.3-4+deb6u5; wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u6; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2.13-38+deb7u8; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u8; jessie: 2.19-18; stretch: 2.19-18; sid: 2.19-18; experimental: 2.21-0experimental0
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17:21<sleser>ok i gona upgrade
17:21<sleser>i cant see it until i use it
17:21<sleser>do i just replace wheezy with jessie in sources list and then run the comand to upgrade ?
17:22<SynrG>dpkg: wheezy->jessie
17:22<dpkg>Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "wheezy" to "jessie". apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. See also <jessie sysvinit>.
17:22<l4mbd4>pretty much
17:22<sleser>ok lemy try this
17:23<l4mbd4>you can also do apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade
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17:23<l4mbd4>because sometimes, that causes less problems
17:23<l4mbd4>instead of only dist upgrade
17:23<sleser>that i gona do . but do i need to replace wheezy jessie on source list ?
17:24<l4mbd4>but don't forget to do apt-get update before upgrade, otherwise nothing will happen
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17:25<sleser>does this look rite ?
17:25<SynrG>yes, that's fine
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17:28<sleser>sudo isnt doing it
17:28<sleser>do i need to su ?
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17:28<Marillion>sudo isn't a debian default
17:28<l4mbd4>just go as root
17:29<sleser>going as root also isnt doing it
17:29<l4mbd4>why not?
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17:30<sleser>tried su . sudo . none still isnt doin it
17:30<Marillion>sleser: do su - instead as sudo
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17:31<l4mbd4>whats wrong with opening a root session and then closing it later
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17:31<SynrG>there was nothing wrong with sudo
17:31<sleser>its doing something
17:31<piper>su password whatever you want to do
17:31<SynrG>the problem was at line 4
17:31<Marillion>sleser: sudo isn't configured for users (debian default), you must it do itself
17:31<l4mbd4>you need to do sudo before every command dude
17:32<l4mbd4>not just the one
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17:32<sleser>i had to su . identify . then paste the upgrae command
17:32<SynrG>sleser: look at line 4. your mistake was that you only put sudo in front of the first command
17:32<l4mbd4>so its sudo .. && sudo ... etc.
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17:32<sleser>its upgrading
17:33<SynrG>sleser: yes, but this is a lesson you need to learn from
17:33<l4mbd4>because if your sudo wouldnÄt work you wouldn't have been able to write to sources.list
17:33<SynrG>sleser: look, and understand what you did wrong with line 4
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17:34<sleser>when i use to download an pakage i use to just sudo apt-get install
17:34<awal>sleser: have you installed any software from "internet" other then from debian repositories?
17:35<l4mbd4>yeah sleser thats also correct, you just did 2 cmds in line 4
17:35<l4mbd4>so you also need 2 sudos
17:35<sleser>so if i root identify i can run 2 commands at ones ?
17:35<piper>l4mbd4: i don't use sudo to write to sources.list :) not a fan of sudo at all, su :)
17:35<SynrG>sleser: have you never seen && before?
17:36<sleser>ive seen it
17:36<sleser>its just i dont use the && all the time
17:36<SynrG>it means 'and after doing the first command successfully, do the next one'
17:36<sleser>got it
17:36<SynrG>each one needs sudo. that's the takeaway
17:37<l4mbd4>i open root sessions all the time, noone seems to like it
17:37<sleser>ok . but what if i su identify can i do the && without sudo each one ?
17:37<awal>sleser: by "default" debian us su or su - for root. you can gain more privileges doing for example 'sudo su' + root pass then just the commands you want without having to put sudo before each command
17:38<SynrG>sudo -i
17:38<SynrG>not sudo su
17:38<SynrG>why run two executables when you can run one to do the very same thing?
17:38<l4mbd4>same amount of chars tho
17:39<awal>ahm, I dont use sudo in debian. tried ubuntu time ago and i was using sudo su, and it works. ok, so I was mistaken
17:39<sleser>i hope i dont end up in bash after reboot
17:39<awal>ok, anyway I dont use sudo, sound like ubuntu and mint stuffs for me
17:39<sleser>because one time i was having backport in source list on wheezy and it damiged the video
17:39<sleser>after update
17:40<Marillion>awal: sudo su is bullshit, use sudo only for root privileges
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17:41<awal>Marillion: ahm, I'll learn about sudo if I use it some day... :)
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17:41<awal>Talking about sudo, why almost all gnu/linux OS's enable it by default but not debian?
17:41<SynrG>it's an option
17:42<sleser>i think my sudo was enabled when i instaled wheezy
17:42<sleser>i didnt have to enable it
17:42<sleser>not that i remember
17:42<SynrG>yes you did
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17:42<sleser>what comes defult ?
17:42<lostatwork>yeah it was not default
17:42<SynrG>there is one question that explains if you don't give a root password, sudo is enabled
17:42<sleser>mine i have 2 pw
17:42<sleser>root diferent pw sudo diferent
17:43<SynrG>then one of two scenarios: 1. sudo was enabled first and later you gave root a password or 2. sudo wasn't enabled and later you installed and configured it
17:43<sleser>during the live cd install it asked for 2 pw
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17:44<sleser>one for user one for root
17:44<awal>SynrG: yeah no enabling sudo as other OS is a debian choice, an option I know, but the choice made by debian should have reasons, I think so. is it a security concern?
17:44<sleser>good quastion awal
17:45<awal>just trying to understand, guys
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17:45<l4mbd4>probably it is, because you have more possibilities to gain root privileges
17:46<l4mbd4>but sudo has fine grained configs
17:46<awal>I like the idea of 2 passwords: 1 for standard user , and 2 for root, but I never understood the real reasons
17:46<Marillion>sudo is NOT more secure, but it is a part to splitting root privileges for users
17:47<SynrG>are we just going to sit around and speculate? i'm sure all you'll get is a dozen different opinions.
17:47<l4mbd4>i thought it was invented to give out certain privileges on many user systems?
17:47<SynrG>i can give you reasons *i* wouldn't enable it by default, but that's not what you asked.
17:48<SynrG>and is it really relevant to the job at hand, helping sleser upgrade?
17:48<sleser>synrg is that becuse you dont want a user to know root acces ?
17:48<sleser>nah it isnt for upgrade just quastion of curiasity
17:48<sleser>ur the profetional no
17:48<SynrG>then #debian-offtopic
17:49<sleser>its upgrading
17:50<awal>I dont think that talking about why debian dont enable sudo by default is off-topic. we are trying to understand why this choice, the security reasons if there are some.
17:51<awal>anyway, forget it :)
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17:53<awal>sleser: while your system is upgrading, you can take a coffe or walk around. the process will be long . but it's better stay with your machine if any problem...
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17:54<sleser>rite now im at t his blue screen
17:54<sleser>not sure if i push yes or no
17:54<sleser>then i dont have a laptop if i end up in bash and need to pute commands there
17:54<awal>what says that ble screen?
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17:56<sleser>so hit yeh ?
17:57<l4mbd4>then it will be more automatic
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17:58<sleser>its doing . its thing
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18:01<awal>sleser: you did good. if you dont press yes, you will be asked yes or no before restarting each service
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18:02<awal>other one can press NO because X service is busy and he want to choose when restart it...
18:03<awal>something like that, so
18:03<sleser>hit yes for everything automatic
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18:05<awal>when you finish your upgrade, I recommend you install 'needrestart' pack. it's helpful and interesting. it make things easier
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18:05<sleser>what is that
18:06<awal>whith it you know which services need to be reloaded
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18:08<l4mbd4>thanks for the tip, didnt know that one
18:09<l4mbd4>but i guess he wont be upgrading that often anyway on stable :D
18:09<awal>but installin X pack may require reload X service. so that pack still useful
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18:10<l4mbd4>yeah... for me its good because i am on stable
18:10<l4mbd4>*testing i mean
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18:22<SynrG>awal: as for your question, i couldn't find a definitive answer in a reasonable amount of time searching. here's a starting point, however. See: #344873
18:22<judd>Bug in user-setup (closed): «should be a way to get a sudo-only root system»; severity: normal; opened: 2005-12-27; last modified: 2007-06-26.
18:22<SynrG>It was initially set up this way and Joey Hess said "Whether this should be enabled default can be argud at length once it's
18:22<SynrG>implemented. :-)"
18:23<SynrG>I can only assume nobody made a compelling case for making it the default afterwards
18:23<SynrG>as for any actual debate and decision made, that would take a deeper search.
18:23<somiaj>I know that if you choose to disable the root account during the install (at least in wheezy) it would put the primary user in the sudo group. But other wise you have to manually add the users you want to that group.
18:23<SynrG>the reason i deemed the discussion OT is it was not leading towards an actual answer, just idle speculation.
18:24<SynrG>so nobody's knowledge was increased by that
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18:25<sleser>im not sure if i should hit yes or no :
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18:25<somiaj>sleser: are you in the middle of a dist-upgrade?
18:26<awal>SynrG: ok, thanks. I'll check that bug
18:26<somiaj>then I would hit yes, you want to upgrade your glibc.
18:27<awal>somiaj: are you sure?
18:27<awal>being in X and stoping kdm?
18:28<somiaj>awal: only if you explicity tell the installer to disable the root account (i.e. not assign it a password).
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18:28<somiaj>awal: I would say yes, I don't think restarting kdm effects the current running xorg session.
18:28<awal>somiaj: I'm talking about sleser question :P
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18:29<awal>ok, ok.
18:29<somiaj>awal: most of the stuff in the dist-upgrade will depend on the new glibc, if you wnt to dist-upgrde then I would say yes and as I said I don't think restarting kdm will log him out of his current session (it shouldn't)
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18:31<awal>just because in all forums and references I learn in the web including debian ones says that one have to logout from X for restart X DM
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18:31<hillhoppernew>Is pcmcia-source source available anywhere?
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18:34<somiaj>awal: well you can test it, restart yotu display manager while you are logged in. (:
18:34<somiaj>awal: I don't use a dm so I can't test.
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18:35<somiaj>hillhoppernew: all debian packages provide the source code, and you can get it by having a deb-src line in your sources.list
18:35<somiaj>well all main, non-free may not
18:35<hillhoppernew>ok thanks
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18:36<hillhoppernew>Seems to get my gamepad running, I need to compile a 2.6 kernel.
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18:37<awal>somiaj: yes , next time I test itin my old machine where I try to run sid. almost every day 'needrestart' asks for restart services. But iI noticied that needrestart always have all the services marked for restart except the DM (lightdm, in this case)
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18:41<hillhoppernew>Let me put it this way. Which modules in the current kernel support gamepad installation?
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18:43<awal>I have jessie in an old thinkpad T61, 2 core duo/2gb ram and I have a strange issue. if I login into xfce or mate session my screen freeze, but it doesn't happen when I login into fluxbox/openbox session
18:43<hillhoppernew>probably a driver problem
18:44<awal>it freezes during a few second and then all works fine
18:44<hillhoppernew>just wait is easiest
18:44<awal>if it was a driver the screen should freeze too when login into flux/openbox, or not?
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18:45<hillhoppernew>you have to go deeper into the boot routine
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18:46<hillhoppernew>many system modules are loaded before you login
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18:48<awal>+1 hillhoppernew
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19:04<sleser>is it ok using the computer while upgrading
19:04<sleser>like brouser dolphin . media files
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19:06<xcrt>Where should directories shared through samba and SFTP be located?
19:08<somiaj>sleser: it should be, though strange things may happen once the package is upgraded. It might be best to do it from a console outside of xorg, but it won't stop the upgrade from happeneing. The software you are running just may crash if it needs to load something that has changed from the hd
19:09<somiaj>xcrt: this is configured. By default they give the user access to their $HOME dir, but you can configure things to match your system.
19:09<somiaj>xcrt: I mean configurable
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19:29<sleser>is it supose to tell me update is done ?
19:29<sleser>because it didnt say nothing
19:30<sleser>upgrade i mean
19:30<somiaj>sleser: as with most cli commands, it will return you to a promt once it is done.
19:31<sleser>ok lemy reboot
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19:36<sleser>how do i check if im using pae or regular
19:36<somiaj>uname -a
19:37<sleser>ok upgrade finished so far looks not bad
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19:40<xcrt>I tried mounting an USB disk to /mnt/usbhdd. Samba access was strictly read-only for some reason.
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19:40<xcrt>The only way to enable write access was to set the shared directory to 777.
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19:41<awal>! remove gnome
19:41<dpkg>To remove or purge GNOME 2.x: aptitude remove ~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui ~nlibgnomevfs2. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>).
19:41<awal>how to adapt this ^for gnome 3?
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19:42<somiaj>xcrt: what file system is on the usbhdd?
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19:42<somiaj>samba runs as the user that logs in, or as the user you set it to run as for guest accounts.
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19:43<somiaj>you need to configure the file system to be writable to by the user(s) you want to write to it.
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19:43<xcrt>So ... "chown user:user /mnt/usbhdd" ?
19:43<somiaj>xcrt: is it only one user? that would work, put a -R there so it gets all files and directories on the inside
19:43<somiaj>xcrt: again this depends on how you ahve configured samba to use this share
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20:23<l4mbd4>sleser, was your upgrade successful?
20:23<sleser>thanks for help
20:24<l4mbd4>well, that's what this channel is for i guess :D
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20:59<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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21:04<myztic>^ :D
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21:16<awal>having both gnome power manager and xfce power manager, why fluxbox, via fbautostart, loads xfce power manager not the gnome one?
21:19<awal>xfce power manager works just fine in fluxbox. i'm just curious why fbautostart load it and doesnt load the gnome one
21:20<awal>if xfce isn't installed, fbautostart loads gnome power manager just fine too
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21:21<awal>is fbautostart pro xfce and anti gnome? :P
21:22<lostson>must be
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21:24<somiaj>awal: don't they use .desktop files to load at boot,maybe the .desktop file for gnome's power manager is the one that gets red.
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21:25<somiaj>or it might be an /etc/alternatives thing, not quite sure, but there is lots of similarities in how they handel things.
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21:25<AlexLikeRock>awal, o/
21:26<AlexLikeRock>somiaj, o/
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21:27<awal>i'm asking because i wonder if something is conflicting somewhere in the background because of having 2 power managers and fbautostart get confused
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21:29<lostson>maybe uninstall one or the other and try again
21:30<awal>somiaj: if I'm in gnome session, only the gnome one is loaded obviously. if i'm in xfce only the xfce one is loaded obviously. but if i login into fluxbox fbautostart loads xfce one.
21:31<awal>i dont see nothing related with power manager in alternatives
21:31<phillipsjk>So it looks like the flakey network adpater I was setting up the other day drops off the network if I downlaod mort than 60MB or so in an minute. I suspect the firmware blob and/or hardware does not handle a buffer overflow condition well :P
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21:32<awal>I'm glad that flux loads the xfce one bcuz it's more user friendly and clear. the gnome one is confusing since gnome 3.12
21:33<phillipsjk>restricting my torrenting to 100kB/s seems to help.
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22:04<awal>How I can check all what debian installer did during installation?
22:05<awal>I would like learn what the installer does (commands) in the background during installation for understand better how debian works
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22:06<somiaj>awal: you could try to do an instalation manually. Look up debootstrap and try to make an instalation using only that from a live image of sorts.
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22:08<awal>somiaj: thats a way , yeah. but installation is done yet. I heard about installation report. Is that what I need? is it generated auto?
22:09<awal>by "manually" you mean expert mode or something like that?
22:09<somiaj>,v installation-report
22:09<judd>Package: installation-report on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.44; wheezy: 2.49; stretch: 2.58; jessie: 2.58; sid: 2.58
22:09<somiaj>that is mostly for reporting a bug that contains info about your install, it might not give you the info on what the installer did.
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22:10<somiaj>awal: no I mean run each command needed to do an install. you start with booting a live system and configuring the network. Then you partion/format/mount the root file system, run debootstrap to put a base system on root, from there you chroot into it, configure it, install additional packages, make it bootable, etc. Doing this all manually over using an installer will give you some idea what an installer does.
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22:12<blast007>note the part about /var/log as that might give you some of the information you're looking for
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22:26<Darkmoon>I'm a software developer coming from OS-X but wanted to start some Linux Dev. I thought that Debian would be most stable, but to my disappointment, LLVM (3.5) + Clang + CMake install is totally broken in Debian 8.
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22:28<Darkmoon>The bug is known, I just find it strange that it's listed as 'Normal' and not critical, when it means one of the foremost build systems on (arguably) the foremost Linux distro plain doesn't work.
22:29<awal>somiaj, blast007, ok, thanks
22:29<Darkmoon>I know the answer is that the package maintainers are doing their best. Just wondered if anyone had insight into this bug?
22:30<Darkmoon>Since it must be well known.
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22:42<awal>Darkmoon: try to help for solve that bug
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22:45<somiaj>Darkmoon: what does the bug report say? Any solutions there?
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22:55<awal>if we just have the link for the bug that Darkmoon talks about....
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23:00<judd>Bug in llvm-3.5-dev (open): «llvm-3.5-dev: LLVM/Clang CMake package files missing»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-01-16; last modified: 2015-03-13.
23:01<Darkmoon>Simply, you install llvm, clang, cmake from a clean Debian install
23:01<Darkmoon>try to cmake anything
23:01<Darkmoon>no dice
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23:02<Darkmoon>Kind of a major bug
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23:03<imMute>Daemoen: reading that bug report, it sounds like it's been fixed in upstream LLVM, and you just need to wait for an LLVM release and packages.
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23:04<awal>severity "normal" doesn't mean that the buggy package isn't totally broken...
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23:38<Darkmoon>Thanks awal, sorry, I was on a phone call, but I appreciate you having a look.
23:39<Darkmoon>& imMute
23:40<Darkmoon>I tried to use LLVM, Clang 3.4, but being an earlier version is seems dpkg doesn't set up the requisite environment variables and I'm left with another challenge on my hands.
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23:41<Darkmoon>Path of least resistance may just be for me to fix the paths / missing files for 3.5.
23:41<Darkmoon>Will give that a try.
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23:42<somiaj>Darkmoon: you said this is a known bug, where is the bug report?
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