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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-05-13

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00:23<n8ykh>Is there anyone paying attention?
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01:08<RayzrShrp>evening
01:09<RayzrShrp>are obesolete packages under aptitude safe to remove?
01:09<n8ykh>I think so.
01:10<RayzrShrp>how do they get stranded like that?
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01:12<jm_>packages get removed from the distribution etc.
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01:15<SamB_laptop>some packages may be RC-buggy but live on in sid ...
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01:19<dvddvd292>Salve. Volevo chiedere come fare in modo che all'avvio di skype non si avvii anche il terminale. Grazie.
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01:20<jm_>!it
01:20<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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01:21<dvddvd292>grazie. gentilissimo.
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01:48<pingvin>hi all!
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01:52<urzo>is there a way to find all old debian pacakges that were ever hosted in testing, even if they were never released?
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01:54<jm_>that doesn't make much sense - why would they be hosted (and where) if they were never released? or with released you mean released in a stable release?
01:55<ryouma>urzo: yes, there is an archive place, iirc
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01:55<ryouma>oh, no, not even if never released
01:56<pppZero>how can i make my laptop hibernate like it used to when i close the lid?
01:56<ryouma>i guess he means never made it to stable
01:56<jm_>!sdn
01:56<dpkg>http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412
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01:58<jm_>I remember someone on planet debian wrote about laptop lid close and jessie
01:59<Cepot404>someone could help me , i have problem with exim4
01:59<rjsalts>Cepot404: maybe, you'd have to tell us your problem more specifically first
02:00<pppZero>that sounds scarily like "closing the lid is broken" :\ ...to the googles!
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02:01<Cepot404>when i tried to uninstall postfix, it show an error that have a problem with exim4
02:01<jm_>don't remember exact details but I think it was more like they wanted to do what you want, not that it was broken
02:01<muep>pppZero: afaik it is just configured differently from earlier debian versions
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02:03<jm_>maybe looking at the settings mentioned here can help https://numberformatdata.wordpress.com/2015/01/22/disable-laptop-from-sleeping-on-lid-close-in-debian/
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02:04<rjsalts>Cepot404: can you put it on paste.debian.net or something?
02:06<muep>my impression is that by default, logind would handle lid close events and by default it would react by suspending. but then I think it is possible for e.g. a desktop environment to request that it does not handle the lid events anyway
02:06<Cepot404>no problem , i have solve it ...
02:07<Cepot404>by the way, im newbie here, and i wanna know how to use IRC well
02:07<pppZero>well, we're onto something, I'm getting "No such key" errors from gsettings commands; and it's not "no action" on lid-close, it's "hard power off"
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02:10<jm_>Cepot404: https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc
02:10<Cepot404>thanks
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02:13<fajar>adakah orang Indonesia??
02:13<Cepot404>saya bos
02:13<Cepot404>fajar
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02:13<fajar>orang mana bos??
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02:13<Cepot404>bandung
02:14<fajar>salam kenal dari DIY
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02:14<jm_>fajar: this is a debian support related channel, please go somewhere else for off topic discussion
02:14<Cepot404>oke,fajar, bikin channel baru aja
02:14<fajar>ooke
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02:15<Cepot404>invite saya
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02:17<pppZero>apparently i need systemd to make power management work from gnome (ie: suspending on closing the lid)
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02:18<jm_>ahh you're one of those people who prevented installation of systemd on upgrade? :)
02:18<pppZero>is this going to kill kittens, scare penguins or otherwise ruin my day?
02:18<jm_>define "this"
02:18<pppZero>this==systemd
02:19<jm_>I haven't run into major issues with it other than my kernel not having all the needed features
02:19<pppZero>i used to use gentoo, if it's something that is important to at least getting to a bash prompt, i tend not to change it haha
02:19<rjsalts>systemd works okay
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02:20<rjsalts>so just use bash as your init ;)
02:20<Galih>welcome
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02:21<Cepot404>welcome too galih from id
02:21<pppZero>*cries* but i just want my machine to sleep instead of turning off when i close the lid! lol first world problems, eh?
02:22<Cepot404>pppZero:if u using GUI go to system setting first
02:22<rjsalts>pppZero: I think there is a shell script you can write
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02:22<Cepot404>preferences then system setting
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02:23<pppZero>looked in there, there's nothing for the lid settings.
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02:23<jm_>back in the old days you could easily do that using acpid, but these days that one looks to depend on systemd, and I think that blog post I mentioned had details about it, but I of course don't remember who it was from
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02:24<rjsalts>http://blog.shadura.me/2015/04/16/power-button-and-logind/
02:24<pppZero>systemd better fill my house with scantly clad ladies after all this lol
02:24<rjsalts>oh, that's not it
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02:25<Cepot404>set dont suspend on all setting in power tab
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02:26<pppZero>Cepot, I *want* it to suspend though, it just powers off currently.
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02:28<pppZero>systemd-sysv is already installed, but is also not running; brb->reboot;
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02:32<Galih>anyone know how to fix :3 error on wlan0 . i can't connect to any wifi
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02:32<jm_>are you using debian?
02:33<Galih>no i use backbox
02:33<jm_>!backbox
02:33<dpkg>BackBox Linux is a distribution based on <Ubuntu>, developed to perform penetration tests and security assessments. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.backbox.org/ #backbox on irc.autistici.org. See also <based on debian>.
02:33<jm_>try asking there
02:34<Galih>okay thanks
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02:35<pppZero>removed systmd-sysv; re-added it; rebooted (according to the wiki that's all I should have needed to do) ... what next?
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02:35<Cepot404>what are hard limit and soft limit in quota tool???
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02:44<Cepot404>galih pm saya
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02:46<Cepot404>bwana
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02:46<pppZero>right, this has triggered my nope-o-meter to the fullest, where are the menus in gnome apps (eg; gedit), can i turn them back on?
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03:02<pppZero>I really don't get this, all of the "usual suspects" for power management are installed, none of them seem to be doing anything, suspending powers the machine off, hibernating powers the machine off, and powering the machine off; powers the machine off
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03:11<fanto666>hello, unattended-upgrades does not upgrade libreoffice packages (wheezy i386) when I run it manually, debug message is multiple times "pkg 'libreoffice-evolution' now marked delete|", is this a known problem?
03:12<fanto666>also happens when it runs automatically, I apparently forgot semicolon there
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03:15<muep>pppZero: gnome applications currently seem to be moving to placing just a gear icon to the title bar, instead of having a full-width menu bar
03:16<muep>s/gear/hamburger/
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03:37<pppZero>muep: i really hope when the revolution comes the gnome developers are first against the wall.
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03:43<muep>pppZero: I think that is quite excessive for just an UI change
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03:46<pppZero>yeah, but they keep making them, and the latest round of changes include breaking my power management, so I feel justified in my fist-shaking :|]
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03:48<muep>how do you know it is a gnome change that breaks your power management, and e.g. not just a kernel bug?
03:48<muep>does your system still suspend properly if you request it e.g. via systemctl suspend?
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04:07<nizanakolona>A!
04:07<nizanakolona>test!
04:08<jm_>failed!
04:08<nizanakolona>A!
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05:09<mersadkhan>hi everyone . where is the documentaion of a program which is installed by synaptic.for example python-numpy-docs
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05:09<mersadkhan>?
05:11<mersadkhan> hi everyone . where is the documentation of a program which is installed by synaptic? for example python-numpy-docs
05:11<petn-ran1all>mersadkhan: You can check which files it contains with 'dpkg -L <package>'. Probably /usr/share/docs/.
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05:14<mersadkhan>thanks a lot dear petn-ran1all
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05:15<petn-randall>mersadkhan: You're welcome. Feel free to ask if you have any further questions.
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05:56<ayiga>can someone help m pls
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05:56<ayiga>when i type:apt-get install -f
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05:57<ayiga>i got this error :dpkg: error processing package ifupdown (--configure):
05:57<ayiga> dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
05:57<ayiga>Errors were encountered while processing:
05:57<ayiga> initscripts
05:57<ayiga> ifupdown
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06:45<taylanub>hm, release notes claim that apt will handle the upgrade from 7 to 8, but doing a dist-upgrade didn't get me systemd or anything?
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06:46<jm_>it didn't update anything or what?
06:47<taylanub>it did upgrade some stuff .. /etc/debian_version says 7.8 now; I had used the 7.4 ISO
06:47<jm_>you didn't update sources.list then
06:47<jm_>!bat
06:47<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
06:47<taylanub>(for installation that is. I didn't know 8 was out and installed 7 yesterday :P)
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06:48<taylanub>jm_: oh I see, yeah it still points to wheezy stuff; do I need to edit it manually or is there a command to change it to squeeze?
06:48<jm_>taylanub: manually and it's jessie (release notes should mention this)
06:48<taylanub>oops, yeah, meant Jessie
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06:56<jm_>updating sources.list is not needed if you use "stable" instead of a code name in it, but that has its downsides too
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07:01<taylanub>ok, I just updated it manually
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07:01<taylanub>just a s/wheezy/jessie/g anyway
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07:03<taylanub>I can generally expect a reboot after a major dist-upgrade to work fine, right? (I only have ssh access at the moment. the machine isn't critical so if I hit a rare bug that's not catastrophic either.)
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07:04<jm_>yeah, check grub.cfg though - I noticed it now generates a different order as before and adds sub-menus - for me it used a kernel that was previously last in the list as default
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08:02<taylanub>hmm, lost connection to the machine that was upgrading. been a couple minutes now, maybe its connectivity will go back up...
08:04<jm_>that's odd, I've done upgrades over ssh and it worked OK back then
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08:04<jm_>also upgraded my firewall at home that way (worked OK but got stuck on reboot due to systemd and customer kernel without cgroups crap)
08:05<jm_>custom*
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08:09<awal>How to make apt shows unmet deps during dist-upgrade as aptitude full-upgrade do?
08:10<awal>apt-get just tell "packages 1,2,3,4...will be removed" but not why it want do it. aptitude gives a list of unmet dependencies before proposing removals
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08:20<themill>awal: that's normally a sign that you should use apt-get not aptitude for the upgrad
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08:21<awal>themill: what you mean exactly?
08:21<themill>aptitude does not handle big upgrades. use apt-get instead
08:22<Jane-PC>themill, when apt-get doesn't work, I use aptitude...
08:23<jm_>heh I still use aptitude, upgraded to jessie at home without any fuss
08:23<themill>Jane-PC: yes, that can certainly be the case too.
08:23<themill>There's a reason why both tools still exist.
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08:24<awal>themill: hmmm, yes I know that. What I mean is that apt want to remove the same packs as aptitude, but aptitude displays a list of dependencies problems when it want remove X packs , and apt doesn't do that. So what I want is make apt-get display a list of dependencies problems, make it tell me why it want remove X packs automatically as aptitude does
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08:25<themill>awal: that aptitude wants to remove a pile of packages and create dependency problems is a bug in aptitude. Use apt.
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08:27*abrotman says let it ...
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08:29<awal>themill: ok, I think I get you...
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08:46<awal>Just trying to understand. I'm a "stable" branch user, but sometimes I play with another machine (sid). Just trying to understand things. Comparing this two outputs (apt-get & aptitude) I don't understand why aptitude shouldn't do what it does, how it's offered solutions can be considered as a bug. apt-get doesn't do the same in the background without interfering with the user? http://paste.debian.net/176304 http://paste.debian.net/176305
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09:50<hillhoppernew>HI, I need help attaching and connecting a gamepad.
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10:08<Doctor_Pi>I have a LVM physical volume in an image file. How do I get LVM to see it?
10:10<hillhoppernew> I think that's in the Administrator's Manual.
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10:31<Doctor_Pi>hillhoppernew, I looked in the Administrator's HandBook and it gives no guidance on this particular issue.
10:33<hillhoppernew>I read it somewhere recently. Let me re-reference.
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10:38<hillhoppernew>Doctor_Pi: this may be a starting point; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_partitioning
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10:42<Doctor_Pi>hillhoppernew, I have an LVM physical Volume which is just one image file.
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10:44<hillhoppernew>I'm reading this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_volume_management
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10:45<hillhoppernew>See: Disadvantages at the end.
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10:47<hillhoppernew>Then possibly: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_file_formats
10:49<SamB_laptop>hillhoppernew: that's not the kind of image you're probably looking at
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10:49<SamB_laptop>er. for
10:49<hillhoppernew>what's the extension?
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10:50<Doctor_Pi>.img created by ddrescue.
10:50<SamB_laptop>I guess that kind of image file formats would be of interest if you'd suffered catastrophic loss of partitioning information and wanted to recover your photos and such ;-)
10:50<hillhoppernew>ok. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ddrescue
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10:51*SamB_laptop wonders why the heck "CD image" redirects to "Disk image" instead of "ISO image", and instead of fixing the redirect, someone added a hatnote to "Disk image" ...
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10:51<hillhoppernew>ah so
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10:53<thedarklord>Hello.
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11:15<EmleyMoor>I am reasonably convinced the ownership of /run/user/1000/pulse becomes root.root when I log in to my desktop box (gdm). This does not happen on my laptop. How can I prove for sure, and if so, correct, this problem?
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11:48<MichaelP>tried installing firefox from here... http://tristan.lt/blog/firefox-and-thunderbird-on-debian-jessie/ .... here is error https://bpaste.net/show/fa52a5b99402 ... now if i remove that from source list.. i still get error about firefox
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11:57<beerbelott>Hello
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11:58<beerbelott>Would anyone help me with some boot dependency trouble making some services stop after failed dns requests?
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12:04<lids>MichaelIP: first, what is the connection between ~ubuntuzilla.list with debian?
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12:06<MichaelP>tried installing firefox from here... http://tristan.lt/blog/firefox-and-thunderbird-on-debian-jessie/ .... here is error https://bpaste.net/show/4af5c678f460 .... reinstalled iceweasel ... still get same firefox error
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12:19<blast007>MichaelP: see if 'apt-get purge firefox-mozilla-build' works, and if so, try installing iceweasel again.
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12:21<blast007>MichaelP: actually, after the purge also run 'apt-get autoremove' before you try installing iceweasel
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12:23<MichaelP>blast007: iceweasel was already reinstalled... that what that last one on that paste was
12:23<blast007>well, regardless, purge that firefox
12:25<MichaelP>blast007: https://bpaste.net/show/0ddef9f8c167
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12:27<blast007>Yeah, you've created a bit of a mess. Third party repositories and packages are best avoided. You may need to tweak the install scripts so it will complete the install.
12:28<blast007>!pkg scripts
12:28<dpkg>During package installation, dpkg runs a script called "preinst", unpacks the .deb, then runs "postinst". When removing, it runs "prerm", deletes the files and then runs "postrm". These scripts can be found in /var/lib/dpkg/info/$package.{pre,post}{inst,rm}; as a last resort to fixing packaging problems, you can edit the script, e.g. by making the second line "exit 0" of a shell script. http://wiki.debian.org/MaintainerScripts
12:29<blast007>or if it's a fairly recent install, a reinstall of the OS is an option
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12:31<MichaelP>just installed debian last night... found for ati hdmi it doing best with vlc
12:32<blast007>a reinstall would certainly be an option then. and then just avoid third party repos.
12:32<blast007>iceweasel is the same as firefox except in name and maybe a few other minor things
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12:33<mac>hall
12:33<mac>hallo
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12:34<mac>debian is awesome
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12:34<mac>:)
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12:34<MorpheusArch>does anyone even talk in here?
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12:35<blast007>MichaelP: and if you need newer releases, there is http://mozilla.debian.net/
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12:35<MichaelP>and trying to find older version of plugins and themes since iceweasel is version version 31 and firefox is 37
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12:37<blast007>iceweasel 38 is available if you use the instructions in the link I provided
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12:37<MichaelP>ok
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12:39<MichaelP>seems like right now unstable testing and stable are pretty close to the same versions
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12:40<beerbelott>Could someone help me with that? https://paste.debian.net/hidden/1c195ca0/
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12:41<guruprasad>On an up-to-date Jessie installation, I get this error - http://dpaste.com/0C34BX6 when I run the cron script of owncloud. Even after doing the usuggested fix, I get the same error.
12:41<guruprasad>How can I fix it?
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12:42<blast007>beerbelott: does 'host ns0.fdn.org' resolve that to IPs?
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12:44<guruprasad>Got it, I have to change /etc/php5/cli/php.ini instead of apache2 php.ini
12:44<guruprasad>:)
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12:45<blast007>guruprasad: the code you are using is making use of deprecated behavior (as of PHP 5.6) that may be removed in the future. It would be best to fix/replace that code. http://php.net/manual/en/ini.core.php#ini.always-populate-raw-post-data
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12:47<beerbelott>blast007: WHen I check it myself afterwards, yup
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12:47<beerbelott>blast007: as does the nginx service start without trouble
12:47<beerbelott>blast007: it is really sth to do with booting environment
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12:48<beerbelott>blast007: I got another service which complains about network interface having no IP address at the same time
12:48<beerbelott>blast007: I am going to edit my paste to add that
12:48<blast007>beerbelott: perhaps the network isn't up at the time that nginx is starting. How are you managing the network? Using /etc/network/interfaces?
12:49<beerbelott>the nginx service depends on $network in the init.d service file (I am using sysvinit)
12:49<beerbelott>Yup I am using that
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12:50<blast007>and when defining the interface, are you using 'auto eth0' or 'allow-hotplug eth0'?
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12:52<beerbelott>allow-hotplug eth0 yup
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12:53<beerbelott>blast007: I duuno why I put that
12:53<beerbelott>I will remove it and test
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13:09<blast007>beerbelott: well, not remove, by try 'auto' instead of 'allow-hotplug'
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13:10<blast007>I *think* having it be 'auto' will make the system wait for the interface to initialize (or timeout) before moving on.
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13:11<blast007>sorry, meant "but try", not "by try"
13:11<SamB_laptop>I wish it was possible to avoid getting into the situtation where when you try to hibernate, it says you don't have enough swap ...
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13:12<ruslanas>hi team! I would like to ask if we have xcp-xapi on jessie ?
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13:13<ruslanas>I cannot find it in aptitude and apt-cache :)
13:13<PEB>the answer is probably "no" in that case
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13:14<ruslanas>have jessie backports, volatile and main jessie sources with main contrib and non-free
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13:15<PEB>the package is out ffrom jessie
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13:15<PEB>and from sid, apparently
13:15<ruslanas>PEB > ok, and maybe you know if it will be ?
13:15<PEB>jessie is a stable release
13:15<PEB>you cannot hope any package addition in it as its
13:16<PEB>it'll maybe come in testing or backports, but, since it is not in sid, I'd not bet on it
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13:16<beerbelott>blast007: Thanks!
13:16<beerbelott>blast007: That did the trick
13:16<blast007>beerbelott: great :)
13:16<beerbelott>blast007: I was dumb removing the hotplug without putting auto... I ended with no network at all ^^
13:17<blast007>yeah, sorry, should have specified my tip at the same time as asking the question
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13:17<beerbelott>blast007: Do not be sorry. That was obvious: no other line was activating any non-local interface
13:18<ruslanas>PEB: thanks... :)
13:20<beerbelott>blast007: Are you up for another challenge, way more complicated?
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13:27<blast007>beerbelott: feel free to ask here :)
13:27<SamB_laptop>hmm, is there a tool I could use to swap a process' memory back in?
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13:33<beerbelott>Well after a failed migration from Wheezy to Jessie, I ended up with a 'bricked' system that does not boot anymore. It does not even mount the file system since I have no log written.
13:33<beerbelott>I already checked the /boot partition and cleaned it up, reinstalled grub and check disks uuid
13:34<beerbelott>I even rebuilt the linux kernels images in that /boot partition
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13:34<beerbelott>no systemd-sysv init whatsoever, and reinstalled sysvinit and init through aptitude (locally)
13:35<SamB_laptop>iceweasel got itself swapped almost all the way out and now I want it to swap back in, at least mostly
13:35<beerbelott>I only have access to my files through a rescue system (remote console)
13:35<beerbelott>I am able to chroot in my old filesystem so I can work on it, but I do not know anything about what is happening on the local console
13:36<SamB_laptop>beerbelott: what did you say /sbin/init was ?
13:36<beerbelott>sysvinit
13:36<retrospectacus>does it get to grub?
13:36<beerbelott>I even reinstalled init after sysvinit package
13:37<beerbelott>no systemd-sysv whatsoever
13:37<beerbelott>retrospectacus: How do u tell?
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13:38<retrospectacus>when you turn it on it should show the grub menu with like options of kernels to boot
13:38<damjan>beerbelott: did you check the journal?
13:38<beerbelott>retrospectacus: remote server, no access to the local console
13:39<beerbelott>damjan: as stated, no thing is written anywhere in any log. I suspect the fs is not even mounted
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13:39<beerbelott>damjan: that includes kern.log, messages etc. Nothing is being touched
13:39<beerbelott>damjan: last entries are from the last successful shutdown, after upgrade
13:39<damjan>ok ok. I asked about the journal because it logs early things
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13:40<damjan>beerbelott: everything ok with /etc/fstab?
13:40<blast007>beerbelott: you may need to have your hosting provider temporarily add a KVM-over-IP to that system so you can see/control the console
13:40<beerbelott>yup, UUIDs are consistent with fdisk information
13:41<beerbelott>blast007: I am not going to put money in that crap hosting provider
13:41<beerbelott>blast007: I already moved my services to my backup machine
13:41<damjan>beerbelott: maybe something in the fstab doesn't mount?
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13:42<blast007>then you could just grab your data and config and reinstall (or cancel service)
13:42<damjan>ssytemd will stop the normal boot unless all mountpoints in fstab mount
13:42<damjan>otoh, that should at least log something
13:43<damjan>beerbelott: and if the bootloader failed … that's hard to debug
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13:44<beerbelott>damjan: I am not using systemd
13:44<beerbelott>(and never was)
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13:45<beerbelott>blast007: Yeah I am not going to renew it, but I will be losing some forgotten data (as I always do ;o) )
13:45<VaSy>hi
13:45<VaSy>hi
13:45<beerbelott>But I really wanna understand what is going on
13:46<beerbelott>VaSy: hi
13:46<blast007>beerbelott: you said you can chroot into it though, right? can't you get your data off that way?
13:46<beerbelott>blast007: I already did for the most important services
13:46<blast007>!things to backup
13:46<dpkg>Some things you should back up include: /etc /home /root /usr/local /usr/src /opt /srv. Tailor to your own purposes. If you think you don't need /var, make sure you don't forget /var/lib/dpkg /var/lib/apt* /var/lib/mysql /var/mail /var/www /var/cache/debconf /var/spool/cron ...
13:47<beerbelott>blast007: But how to make sure not to forget something? :) Anyway we are getting off-topic there
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13:47<blast007>beerbelott: by backing it all up :)
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14:18<waspper>Hello guys...
14:18<n8ykh>hi
14:18<waspper>I just installed Jessie, and I see this:
14:18<waspper>https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B80JlsA2TJFmdmlaZi1TcHYzVG8/view?usp=sharing
14:19<waspper>-- I installed wireless drivers... How can I get a list of my wireless networks?
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14:20<waspper>Wireless driver: bcm43142
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14:20<waspper>Machine: Asus X455L
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14:20<n8ykh>does that red x mean that the computer is not in airplane mode?
14:21<waspper>Yeap...
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14:21<n8ykh>is this a laptop?
14:21<waspper>Right...
14:22<n8ykh>is there a switch along the outside edge for wifi on and off?
14:22<waspper>No, there isn´t...
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14:23<waspper>I installed several packages related to wireless drivers, but still empty... I cant see a list...
14:23-!-viccuad [~vic@0001fa42.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian
14:23<waspper>So, I think I'm skipping some step... But, I don´t know what to do/try...
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14:24<n8ykh>i am assuming the red x over the network adapter in the system tray means the hardware is off
14:24<waspper>In Wheezy, just installing drivers it worked... but not in Jessie...
14:24<waspper>-- Wired connection works fine...
14:25<waspper>Also, if I run "ifconfig", only "eth1" and "lo" are listed...
14:25<n8ykh>do you have a keyboard key along the top to turn wifi on and off, ussually with a function combo
14:26<n8ykh>fn + f9 or something
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14:27<waspper>But airplane mode is not set...
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14:27<n8ykh>airplane mode and wifi on off are not the same
14:28<waspper>Just checking the left-checkbox enable/disable it...
14:28<n8ykh>airplane mode will disable bluetooth as well as wifi
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14:28<waspper>Ok... now, problem is that fn+f2 (the airplane icon) does not work... also, there isn`t another key for wireless...
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14:30<viccuad>Hi guys. This one is a weird one: 'gpg --card status' or 'gpg2 --card status' don't work, I can't access my smartcard (Yubikey Neo) but if I do sudo 'gpg --card-status' or 'sudo gpg2 --card-status' it works. Any idea on how to fix this? thanks in advance
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14:31<stew_>waspper, you are not alone, as google says https://www.google.com.ua/search?q=bcm43142+%D0%BE%D1%83%D1%8B%D1%8B%D1%88%D1%83&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=w5dTVerzKoOKsAGDhYCwBA#safe=off&q=bcm43142+jessie&spell=1
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14:31<waspper>Mamma mia!
14:32<waspper>I'll try installing those packages... Let me a minutes :)
14:34<waspper>*some
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14:38<taylanub>what are the systemd equivalents of 1. running arbitrary code in rc.local, 2. passing --noclear to getty in /etc/inittab ?
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14:43<valdyn>taylanub: rc.local still works
14:43<taylanub>neato
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15:06<K-202>What's the best way to set up ad-hoc connection between smartphone and Debian 8 with XFCE? I want to share connection with smartphone.
15:07<K-202>I tried to set up new WiFi connection in XFCE's network manager but it can't connect to it.
15:07<n8ykh>so you setup an access point in xfce?
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15:07<K-202>yes
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15:10<n8ykh>perhaps your phone does not support as-hoc
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15:10<n8ykh>might need to setup access point to support infrastructure mode
15:11<n8ykh>i found this from 2014: https://prahladyeri.wordpress.com/2013/05/26/how-to-turn-your-linux-machine-into-a-wifi-access-point/
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15:18<Tiefelhund>anyone know where I could get help with ADR
15:18<Tiefelhund>oops SDR
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15:19<retrospectacus>what is sdr
15:19<n8ykh>software defined radio?
15:19<Tiefelhund>yeah
15:20<Tiefelhund>I'm wanting to install sdr# or something like it
15:20<n8ykh>have you startpaged it?
15:20<Tiefelhund>yup
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15:20<n8ykh>have you tried reddit?
15:20<Tiefelhund>I'm not quite savy enough to start using something like gnu radio
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15:21<n8ykh>https://www.reddit.com/r/RTLSDR/ at the top are a few resources to get started it seems
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15:29<waspper>Hello again :)
15:29<waspper>I got it :)
15:30<waspper>http://www.taringa.net/comunidades/linuxeros-debian/9266886/Problema-Solucionado-Broadcom-BCM43142-Debian-Jessie.html
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15:33<n8ykh>awesome
15:33<waspper>jeje... Thanks for your help, man (y)
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15:33<n8ykh>yw :)
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15:41<taylanub>hm, under systemd I probably needn't pass --noclear to getty, since systemd does good logging, right?
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16:01<taylanub>after a dist-upgrade I get output from "aptitude search '(~E | ~prequired | ~pstandard | ~pimportant) !~i'" and some of them seem un-installable. do I have to update the list of essential/required/standard/important packages?
16:01<taylanub>s/un-installable/not installable/
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16:11<taylanub>never mind, they were only in the database because they were unpurged.
16:11<n8ykh>i was wondering what you meant exactly
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16:14<taylanub>as I see it, '(~E | ~prequired | ~pstandard | ~pimportant)' yields a baseline of packages that should be installed, so combining it with !~i should yield empty output. maybe I'm kind of a control freak...
16:14<taylanub>I won't have these issues with GNU Guix, the embodiment of control freakishness :P
16:14<n8ykh>i see now
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16:38<juhaj>What are the security implications of openvpn's --float option?
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16:40<n8ykh>"Essentially, --float tells OpenVPN to accept authenticated packets from any address, not only the address which was specified in the --remote option." https://openvpn.net/index.php/open-source/documentation/manuals/65-openvpn-20x-manpage.html
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16:57<wargreen>hi all !
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16:58<n8ykh>hi
16:58<wargreen>I try to build a custom netboot debian, but lb binary stop with this error : P: Begin installing grub2... /usr/lib/live/build/binary_grub2: 41: /usr/lib/live/build/binary_grub2: Check_templates: not found
16:58<wargreen>know you how to get this templates ?
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17:00<n8ykh>have you searched using startpage.com?
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17:02<wargreen>n8ykh, with a most know search engine :)
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17:02<n8ykh>looks like the templates are supposed to be in /etc/grub.d/
17:03<wargreen>hum... the /etc/grub.d of the chroot ?
17:03<n8ykh>yes
17:03<wargreen>hum, i will try right now
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17:06<wargreen>n8ykh, it's strange, in this dir i've already all the grub's files
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17:07<wargreen>and there is completly different than this templates https://github.com/timrchavez/live-build/tree/master/templates
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17:14<n8ykh>see here: /usr/share/live/build/templates/grub2
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17:16<n8ykh>"Actually that functionality is already there for grub/grub2, it's just a
17:16<n8ykh>different directory, because the grub/grub2 files are for whatever
17:17<n8ykh>reason considered "template" files rather than "bootloader" files, so
17:17<n8ykh>it's config/templates/grub2 not config/bootloaders/grub2, unlike with
17:17<n8ykh>syslinux." https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=775322
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17:17<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/775322 in live-build (open, patch): «Bootloader code issues and improvements»; severity: normal; opened: 2015-01-14; last modified: 2015-02-07.
17:17<beerbelott>blast007: As I have been advised on the ML, I filled up a bug report: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=785253
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17:18<sunbird>hi all. i'm trying to change the default save location for screenshots. right now, it saves in ~/Pictures
17:18<sunbird>i want it to be ~/Desktop.
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17:18<sunbird>i used dconf-editor to set it to file:///home/myuid/Desktop but it does not work even after a fresh login.
17:18<wargreen>n8ykh, ok... maybe it's easyest to rebuild my live with syslinux ?
17:19<sunbird>is there some other way to set this? is dconf-editor somehow deprecicated in jessie? (i also tried to disable the login list via dconf and it did not work)
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17:19<n8ykh>I am not sure, I am just using a search engine to try to find some info on your topic.
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17:19<sinqo>hello
17:19<sinqo>:)
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17:22<wargreen>n8ykh, after strace lb binary_grub2, i got stat("/media/wargreen/[cutted_PATH]/live/local/bin/Check_templates", 0x7fffd2ac6a00) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
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17:24<sinqo>y'a quelqu'un ?
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17:25<n8ykh>I don't know what any of that means
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17:26<n8ykh>wargreen, if you have the time to try it with syslinux, then why not.
17:27<coruja>wargreen, sounds like it's a live-build issue, so maybe better ask in #debian-live
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17:27<n8ykh>sunbird, are you using gnome?
17:28<sunbird>n8ykh: yes. this is a clean jessie install. well, 2 weeks old.
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17:30<wargreen>coruja, k'ay, thanks !
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17:32<wargreen>i will try with syslinux
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17:34<n8ykh>sunbird, I found this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/114429/default-save-directory-for-gnome-screenshot
17:36<n8ykh>since ubuntu sits on debian, those solutions might work
17:37<n8ykh>there is a terminal solution using gsettings
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17:42<sunbird>n8ykh: yeah, that's what i've tried.
17:43<sunbird>i've tried both using dconf-editor and gsettings from the cli and both commands complete without error, but after logging out/in, still save to the wrong directory.
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17:48<n8ykh>sunbird, you could try making a new keyboard shortcut that saves to a different folder: https://marteydodoo.com/writing/2013/12/15/saving-screenshots-different-directory-gnome-3/
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17:58<rob__>long live debian
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18:36<K-202>radeon dpm seems not to work - WebGL and haxball (Flash) are slow
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18:42<somiaj>K-202: do you have the non-free firmware installed (firmware-linux-non-free)
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18:46<K-202>somiaj, yes
18:47<somiaj>K-202: have you checked glxinfo, and xvinfo and verified and maybe dmesg, to verify that the kms driver is loaded and you are using the correct driver?
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18:52<canaima>hola
18:53<lds>who is still using debian 6?
18:54<lds>im just curious
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18:56<lds>im using debian 8 and works flawless!!!
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19:08<ceibal>google
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19:21<illuminati>y a quelqu'un
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19:24<lds>Can anyone send me debian 6 amd64 torrent?
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19:27<tattoli>lds: http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/6.0.10/amd64/
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19:27<lds>thx
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19:29<lds>tattoli thx:)
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19:38<lds>can someone send me thei download link debian 7?
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19:40<hillhoppernew>anyone know of a good linux kernel doc?
19:41<somiaj>hillhoppernew: the source code has a whole documentation directory with different types of documentation.
19:42<hillhoppernew>ah. In /share/docs?
19:44<lds>How can i install compiz in debian 8 XFCE?
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19:44<hillhoppernew>lds: https://www.debian.org/distrib/
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19:47<zoredache>hillhoppernew: have you been to https://www.kernel.org/doc/ ?
19:48<hillhoppernew>I found: https://www.kernel.org/
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19:56<MooFz>Hey guys, I have a question for you experts! I get this when I boot my debian machine: http://i.imgur.com/QPBbxjG.jpg - I tried reinstalling debian, but that doesn't make a diffrence. Anyone has any idea?
19:58<somiaj>MooFz: you still using lilo? You may be able to look up what the error code 9A means, but there is something wrong with your bootloader
19:58<somiaj>have you tried grub?
19:58<hillhoppernew><MooFz> looks like a virus
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19:59<MooFz>I can't even boot atm
19:59<MooFz>This is what I get as soon as I left my bios
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19:59<somiaj>No it should say Lilo (and if you dno't see Lilo it errors out and spams an code to the screen like that)
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19:59<somiaj>MooFz: as I said your bootloader is the problem, you can use a rescue image to try to recover it.
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19:59<somiaj>MooFz: did you choose to use lilo? Because grub has been default for some time.
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19:59<MooFz>somiaj, but I tried reinstalling. Wouldn't that fix the bootloader?
20:00<RayzrShrp>is there a difference between the nginx and nginx-full packages?
20:00<MooFz>somiaj, I honestly don't know. Just used the default settings while installing
20:00<RayzrShrp>or is nginx just a meta package to nginx-full
20:00<somiaj>MooFz: it should install a new boot loader if you told it to, but there could be various things
20:00<somiaj>MooFz: it could be you have some old drive with Lilo in the MBR, but you need to boot off of a different drive.
20:01<MooFz>somiaj: Yeah, I just did a clean install. Made it format my drive and averything..
20:01<somiaj>so it could be a biso config issue, it could be you installed your bootloader on the parition and not the mbr of the disk.
20:01<somiaj>RayzrShrp: I would say most likely since they are different packages. You can use apt-cache show pkgname, and look at the description differences, you can also use apt-file or packages.debian.org to look at the files contained in each package for file differences.
20:02<MooFz>Anyone has a quick link to where I can download the latest debian full install img?
20:02<somiaj>!fixmbr
20:02<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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20:02<MooFz>Then I could try a reinstall
20:02<somiaj>MooFz: that is the instructions to fix the mbr if you have grub, the fact that I'm seeing Lilo confuses me, since you have to do extra steps to install it.
20:02<somiaj>MooFz: do you have more than one drive in that computer?
20:02<somiaj>MooFz: did you plug in a usb drive or some other drive?
20:02<MooFz>somiaj, yeah 3
20:03<somiaj>MooFz: are you sure your biso is configured to boot up off the drive you installed to? Are you sure you installed the bootloader on the drive you are booting from.
20:03<MooFz>somiaj, I just installed from USB. Once that finished I dc'd that usb drive and ssh'd inn
20:03<MooFz>somiaj, let me check, just to be sure
20:04<somiaj>MooFz: is this an old version of debian you are installing/running (say you have an old install image floating around)?
20:04<MooFz>somiaj, would be weird if it wasn't tho. This happened after a reboot. Not after a change or anything
20:04<MooFz>I think it was debian 7.something. Don't think it was 8.0 yet
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20:05<somiaj>MooFz: well could be you installed some software that put a broken lilo in your mbr, could be something happened to your bios and it is booting off the wrong disc.
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20:06<somiaj>MooFz: not really sure, but debian 7 (wheezy) should install lilo. When you boot normally did you see a blue window that you could select which kernel you booted from?
20:06<somiaj>usually can move up and down with an arrorw.
20:06<somiaj>(before it broke that is)
20:07<MooFz>somiaj: tbh, last time I tried to boot that machine was 2+ months ago. Really couldn't tell you. The only thing I could think of back that which might cause this problem is the fact that my bios is UEFI?
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20:08<MooFz>btw, if I go and try to download debian for DVD. I get DVD-1 DVD-2 and DVD-3.iso... What's the diffrence between these 3?
20:09<somiaj>MooFz: debian includes 20,000+ packages of software, doens't all fit on one dvd.
20:09<somiaj>MooFz: most popular software is on dvd-1 and the installer which should be more than enough.
20:09<MooFz>Yeah that's what I thought. I'll just download that and try to reinstall debian once again
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20:09<MooFz>See of the error goes away
20:09<somiaj>MooFz: dvd-2 and dvd-3 contain more software, but you can get the tings you are missing form the ineternet anyways.
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20:10<MooFz>The network/online installation doesn't work for me, because my network driver is not supported while installing :(
20:10<somiaj>MooFz: I think youa re doing something wrong. Are you sure you are booting in uefi and not legacy mode? This means you need to have a efi partition.
20:10<MooFz>Atleast, that was in wheezy...
20:11<somiaj>MooFz: most likley you just need firmware
20:11<somiaj>!tell MooFz about firmware images
20:11<MooFz>I am booting in uefi mode yeah
20:11<somiaj>MooFz: that is just just a guess, you'd have to tell me more about your network card for me to tell y ou more.
20:11<MooFz>It's an onboard network port
20:12<somiaj>MooFz: then I'm completely at a loss. That is an old school lilo error and lilo as far as I know is not efi compadable. Also you are using gpt partition table and need to have an efi partition. I would just make sure you rebuild the whole gpt partition table and create a valid efi partition. You might want to use expert mode in the installer just to ensure you have all the options
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20:12<somiaj>but no clue how lilo got on your system or why you saw it after a reboot. Could be malitious and failed due to efi.
20:14<MooFz>Yeah that's the weird part indeed. I installed debian + libtorrent + rutorrent, that kinda stuff. Everything was working fine untill I had to reboot my machine :/
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20:14<MooFz>somiaj, you think changing my bios to legacy mode could make a diffrence?
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20:16<MooFz>Twas Debian 7.8 btw
20:16<somiaj>MooFz: No. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LILO_%28boot_loader%29#Error_codes -- there is the 9A error code you are seeing, but why lilo is installed I have no clue.
20:17<somiaj>you can install and use lilo, but I think you have to actually know you are doing that. Unless someone had you switch to lilo and it is now not working correctly.
20:17<somiaj>well looks like you could be using elilo, didn't know that existed.
20:17<somiaj>seems it is one of the opens usable on intel based apple machines
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20:18<MooFz>somiaj, I am a Windows SysAdmin who mainly works with Windows Server 2012 R2 Essentials. all of those terms are new to me.. :$
20:20<hillhoppernew>MooFz: check for virus. MS is nototius for attracting virus'.
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20:21<MooFz>hillhoppernew, MS is not installed on that machine, nor are there any virusses on this network...
20:21<surf>hi
20:22<hillhoppernew>then it's best guess your bootloader
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20:23<MooFz>Meh, wish the sollution was something simple :/
20:23<hillhoppernew>me too
20:23<sney>uefi usually works but it can be funky, since motherboard manufacturers target windows compatibility and sometimes cut corners
20:23<sney>but I've never seen it work for the install and initial boot and then fail for subsequent boots
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20:24<MooFz>And that is the main reason we use Windows for our clients. Since they are all small
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20:24<sney>I would suspect hd corruption, or maybe something weird with a disk controller
20:24<MooFz>I mean, we would be able to get debian or something else running and functioning. But once something breaks it would take us ages to figure it out and repair it :P
20:25<sney>(or if it's a multi-boot system I would suspect windows, since it likes to put its fingers in partitions that don't belong to it, particularly during NTOSKRNL updates, but I guess we've established there is no windows on this machine)
20:25<hillhoppernew>can't you just reload a backup?
20:25<MooFz>sney, that could be. But the disks are fine as I used them in my NAS this last week and I don't really have a disk controller
20:25<sney>well, sure you do. but I guess you mean you don't have a RAID.
20:25<MooFz>And it's not a dual boot system
20:26<hillhoppernew>any backups?
20:26<MooFz>hillhoppernew, I don't have a backup. It's my private seedbox/htpc. Don't really care about the data on it :P
20:26<sney>heh, you're a windows admin. what do your users say when something breaks?
20:26<sney>"it was working fine a minute ago"
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20:26<MooFz>sney, that keeps me busy. But yeah, that's what they say usually :P
20:27<MooFz>But lucky enough, once something breaks on windows it is usually an easy fix
20:27<sney>just because your disks were ok last week doesn't mean they are still ok. test them.
20:27<MooFz>The main problem with Windows Server for me are the fact that you need to reboot with every update
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20:27<sney>yes, I'm not a fan of that one either. I'm a mixed-environment admin
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20:28<sney>especially considering server boot times
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20:28<MooFz>sney: my disks gave this error 2 months ago. last week I put 'm in my NAS and they were working great. Good performance and everything. But I would really like to get my debian machine back :P
20:28<hillhoppernew>windoze is a aste of trust
20:28<hillhoppernew>waste
20:28<MooFz>+ there really isn't a good alternative for MS exchange imho... MAYBE lotus notes..
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20:29<MooFz>Oh, done writing to USB. ima start the install. Wish me luck! <3
20:29<sney>but anyway. if your disks are fine, boot a livecd, see if you can chroot into your debian install. if you can, mount /dev and run update-grub. (this information is in longer form on the debian wiki) that _should_ restore your bootloader
20:29<sney>or just try reinstalling if you don't care about your data/settings
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20:30<hillhoppernew>***luck!***
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20:31<MooFz>sney, this is the 2nd time im reinstalling tho
20:31<MooFz>But haven't tried debian 8.0 yet
20:31<hillhoppernew>Ask me how many times I rebooted/reinstalled Win2k...
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20:32<n8ykh>how many
20:32<hillhoppernew>i like 7.7
20:32<MooFz>hillhoppernew, home many times have you rebooted/reinstalled win2k?
20:32<sney>MooFz: definitely try legacy mode if you don't need gpt features on your boot drive
20:32<hillhoppernew>e^276
20:32<abrotman>!ot
20:32<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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20:33<MooFz>I just tried the "automated install". It came up with an error right away: Unable to detect network hardware. Could that cause a problem?
20:33<hillhoppernew>!
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20:35*hillhoppernew :)
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20:39<MooFz>Ok, it just gave me a warning while trying to install debian
20:39<MooFz>which read something along the line of
20:40<MooFz>there already is an installed version of debian in legacy mode, do you want to create a new installation of debian and force uefi mode?
20:40<MooFz>The default answer to that question is "No", maybe I just hit enter the last time I installed debian
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20:56<sney>MooFz: I've never seen that warning - and besides, assuming you format the disk, it won't matter what you choose
20:56<sney>MooFz: not detecting network hardware is probably because the network hardware requires non-free firmware to load the driver, but if you're installing from DVD1 you definitely don't need a working nic until later
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20:56<MooFz>sney: Yeah, I chose "Entire disk with LVM" but that won't format all disks?
20:57<sney>that will format all disks.
20:57<MooFz>sney: indeed it does, that is the next warning it gave me. I needed non-free software
20:57<MooFz>sney: ok! Good! :D
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21:02<geodude>Is there a reason why adduser doesn't chmod 700 home directories after creating them?
21:02<abrotman>you can alter that, /etc/adduser.conf
21:04<MooFz>btw, why is root account enabled by default while you can't logon to root on ubuntu for example?
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21:04<abrotman>Debian is not Ubuntu, different distros do different things
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21:05<MooFz>Ubuntu is based on debian right?
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21:05<n8ykh>yes
21:05<MooFz>Atleast, that's what I thought
21:05<sney>based on but with lots of differences
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21:06<lostson>loosely based very loosely
21:06<geodude>Huh, adjusting directory permissions broke samba access. The share is located at /home/user/shared. I ran sudo chmod 700 /home/user
21:06<MooFz>Yeah, I like to think that debian is slower with changes but a lot more stable than ubuntu. While ubuntu pushes a new version every 6 months
21:06<sney>also, in the debian installer, you get the option to not enter a root password, which will give you the first account sudo behaviour that you'
21:06<sney>'d expect from ubuntu
21:07<MooFz>sney, so if I keep the password empty, the root user is basically disabled? They should say that in the explanation above it imo
21:07<sney>well, except it isn't disabled, really. you can still access it with 'sudo -i' for instance. it just doesn't have a password so it can't be logged in directly
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21:08<MooFz>soo if I would use root@moofz.tld thru ssh for example, I wouldn't have to give a password?
21:09<sney>no
21:09<MooFz>Or do I have to be logged on as a superuser first before I can logon as root?
21:09<sney>it can't be logged in directly
21:09<sney>root is the superuser
21:09<MooFz>as a sudo user*
21:09<sney>yes, as a user with sudo rights
21:10<sney>!debian-handbook
21:10<dpkg>The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at http://debian-handbook.info/ and can be browsed, bought and downloaded. From Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards, it can also can be installed from the debian-handbook package. Also ask me about <books> <docs>.
21:10<sney>^ all of this information and more is in the debian handbook, and as a bonus it's much more human-readable than technet.
21:11<sney>now if you'll excuse me, I have to drive to the office and push the power button on a server.
21:11<n8ykh>drive safe
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21:12<MooFz>sney, good luck!
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21:23<geodude>Where should I put a samba share? /home/user/stuff or /home/stuff or /stuff ?
21:24<l4mbd4>I guess /stuff is the worst
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21:26<geodude>So if I restrict home folders with chmod 700, then /home/stuff it is?
21:28<n8ykh>what's wrong with /home/public?
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21:28<geodude>I'm not actually naming it stuff. It's /home/shared
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21:29<RayzrShrp>so when i try apt-get install php5 it wants to install apache but im using nginx
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21:29<MooFz>Btw, how could debian (or another distro) replace the windows Active Directory?
21:30<RayzrShrp>so how can i install php without apache?
21:30<n8ykh>geodude, does not your debian already have a /home/public folder?
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21:30<geodude>No.
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21:31<n8ykh>moofz, debian user management can be used as an active directory type domain manager
21:32<geodude>Is it a problem if /home/public is owned by root?
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21:33<n8ykh>i don't think it would be a problem
21:37<l4mbd4>Certainly it's possible, but not really conventional i guess, since home is where users homes are stored, which are normally owned by them :D
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21:39<gsimmons>RayzrShrp: Install a PHP5 interpreter package that doesn't depend on Apache HTTPD (e.g. php5-cgi, php5-fpm).
21:40<n8ykh>so it would depend on how many users are on that computer
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21:51<beerbelott>RayzrShrp: ... and get rid of Apache ;)
21:51<RayzrShrp>i did
21:52<beerbelott>do not use the php5 package then
21:52<RayzrShrp>i used php5-fpm
21:52<beerbelott>for CLI, use php5-cli
21:52<beerbelott>for FPM, php5-fpm
21:52<beerbelott>great
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21:53<RayzrShrp>im running nginx/mariadb
21:53<beerbelott>and nginx is perfectly capable of talking to it through its FastCGI module
21:53<MooFz>Oh wow, it actually booted into debian! :D
21:53<RayzrShrp>and its working
21:53<RayzrShrp>and its fast as hell
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21:54<beerbelott>Well... it will depend on what PHP does ;)
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21:54<RayzrShrp>just running wordpress
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21:55<MooFz>Personal Home Page right?
21:56<RayzrShrp>yeah
21:56<RayzrShrp>in the past always used mysql and apache
21:57<RayzrShrp>but everyone seems to be migrating to mariadb and nginx
21:57<RayzrShrp>so figured i would just start over using it
21:57<RayzrShrp>nginx might be a bit overkill
21:57<RayzrShrp>but it sure does feel a lot peppier
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22:00<beerbelott>cleaner I would say, and more efficient on loads of stuff
22:01<beerbelott>proper separation and resource usage, due to its design and goals
22:01<beerbelott>mariadb, meh that is yet another SQL
22:01<beerbelott>you could go for PostgreSQL
22:01<beerbelott>... or have a try at NoSQL schemas... depends on your needs
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22:29<null__>soo, I'm looking for a good place to gain some knowledge about basics of linux, anyone have any good reference material for a good starting point?
22:31<ananth123>null__: debian handbooks
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22:32<n8ykh>http://www.linux.com/
22:32<geodude>Computer Science 101
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22:33<abrotman>dpkg: tell null__ about grounding
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22:33<n8ykh>there is a free online course i am taking right now as prerequisite for my paid linux admin certification.
22:33<null__>the .info site, correct?
22:34<null__>for handbooks
22:34<ananth123>yeah
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22:40<null__>just searching around, free courses from edx.org? or did I stumble upon something completely different?
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22:45<n8ykh>yes that's the place
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22:47<null__>alright, thanks yall
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23:11<RayzrShrp>is there a better way to use apt-cache search so it gives me more precise results?
23:12<RayzrShrp>I grep out stuff but I remember someone having a way to specify something for it
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23:34<gustavo>hola
23:34<gustavo>soy nuevo sobre sofware libre
23:35<gustavo>como puedo instalar programas?
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23:52<RayzrShrp>i just installed php5 but how do i install it?
23:52<RayzrShrp>all my pages that need php are not loading
23:53<sney>you need to set up your webserver.
23:53<RayzrShrp>my webserver is setup
23:53<RayzrShrp>the php5 module is enabled i apache2
23:54<sney>then you need to make sure the apache2 process has the correct permissions for your php files.
23:54<sney>I like to test with a simple phpinfo file first since there's not much that can go wrong with thosee
23:55<RayzrShrp>weird now it works after using a2dismod and a2enmod
23:55<sney>if you're testing it from chrome(ium), sometimes the cache can make it seem like your changes aren't working
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23:56<RayzrShrp>yeah i am using chrome
23:56<sney>chromium has a very aggressive clientside cache. incognito windows are a good way around it for checking changes
23:56<RayzrShrp>good tip
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