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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-05-15

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00:13<Autofire>Hi! I recently updated this computer from wheezy to jessie. gdm3 broke, and while I don't use Gnome, I do prefer gdm3 over slim. (Which doesn't allow easy user-switching on xfce4; a pain on this multiuser system.) I think gdm3 fails to run because it didn't install properly. I've googled around some, but I didn't find any relevant answers. gdm3's answers didn't get me far, so here what aptitude and co gave: http://paste.debian.net/177316/
00:13<Autofire>(My added notes marked by '//')
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00:44<faheem>I'm currently seeing the following:
00:44<faheem>https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/9X3HXTQZ
00:44<faheem>Any idea what is going on here?
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01:12<Autofire>faheem: Did you change something in another terminal since you last started that one?
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01:12<Autofire>faheem: Well, actually that might be a bit of a silly question. Maybe try reinstalling python.
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01:15<Autofire>While I'm not entirely familiar with how dpkg works, if it has /usr/bin/dh_python2 cached somewhere but the actual file was (re)moved, then I could see dpkg's incorrect report.
01:17<jm_>-L gets the info from foo.list file, it's not a list from the fs
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01:30<medicalwei>!dpkg mac
01:30<dpkg>[mac] Media Access Control, see <mac change>; Macintosh, see <apple>, <m68k>, <macbook>, <powerpc>, <macsound>; Mandatory Access Control, see <apparmor>, <selinux>, <tomoyo>; Monkey's Audio Codec, see <ape>.
01:30<medicalwei>!macbook
01:30<dpkg>i heard macbook is http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook . For the Pro model, ask me about <macbookpro>. For the Air series, ask me about <macbookair>. See also <laptop>.
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01:31<medicalwei>Gotta ask if anyone is using a macbook to install Debian. I have a problem that the blessed grubx64.efi does not appear in the mac boot menu.
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03:28<sleser>watching with iceweasel flash video . works for a while . then sudenly everything freezes the mouse too all i can do is reboot
03:28<sleser>not sure why
03:28<sleser>oh all i can reboot with is the power buton on the pc
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03:33<sleser>also after upgrading from wheezy to jessie i no longer have the old debian loading
03:34<sleser>is that normal ?
03:34<jm_>what is old debian loading?
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03:35<sleser>um its like i use to see how debian booted
03:36<jm_>as in kernel and init system messages?
03:36<tattoli>yea systemd boots quite a bit differently than sysv
03:36<sleser>system boot
03:36<sleser>i dont see details tho
03:36<sleser>like before
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03:37<sleser>not sure what thouse tings called. . it basicaly boots up diferent then before
03:38<sleser>and loads diferent then from shutdown or from turn off from power switch
03:38<jm_>see if you have quiet on kernel command line so try to remove it
03:38<tattoli>you can remove the quiet parameter from the kernel line in your grub config
03:38<sleser>can you show me one link where it explains how to
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03:39<jm_>info grub -> Configuration -> Simple configuration
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03:39<sleser>all that is inside grub ?
03:40<jm_>no info is an info viewer
03:40<sleser>ok i gona chek it out
03:40<sleser>thanks
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03:41<jm_>you want to set GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT
03:41<jm_>oh well
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04:30<faheem>Autofire: yes, I reinstalled, and it seems to be Ok now. I don't know what happened. Thanks.
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04:37<Mimiko>Hello.
04:37<Mimiko>I receive this error: dmfe: big packet = 1518
04:37<Mimiko>But I can't find on which interface this appears
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04:38<Mimiko>I have multiple interfaces with vlans and multiple IPs
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05:10<Doctor_Pi>my system has no floppy, how do I stop debian from trying to read it?
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05:13<himanshu>I am having problems with GNOME 3.14.1
05:13<himanshu>it seems to be very unstable
05:14<himanshu>system ran a complete install when I tried installing VLC player
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05:14<himanshu>WIFI etc dosnt work in it
05:14<himanshu>is it an unstable version GNOME 3.14.1?
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05:22<SynrGy>himanshu: i doubt it. sounds like your sources.list is screwed up
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05:22<SynrGy>himanshu: at paste.debian.net, please show output of 'apt-cache policy' and the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list
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05:23<himanshu>Just a min
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05:31<himanshu>source list http://paste.debian.net/177451/
05:31<himanshu>apt-cache policy : http://paste.debian.net/177453/
05:31<himanshu>SynrGy:
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05:32<himanshu>I did update my source list to this recently
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05:37<himanshu>SynRGy: I had updated it after update was over
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05:37<jm_>Doctor_Pi: tried blacklisting floppy module if it's loaded?
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05:39<jm_>himanshu: your problem is you have both wheezy and stable in sources.list, and since jessie was released, everything now points to a new release - I am saying this because I assume you haven't conciously upgraded to jessie
05:40<himanshu>jm_:yes,Im new to linux and was trying to install a VLC player only
05:40<jm_>himanshu: right so that's why "everything" was updated
05:41<himanshu>jm_: the pasted sources.list file was created after the updates were completed.It was different before
05:41<himanshu>jm_: what should I do now
05:42<himanshu>jm_: this gnome version seems to be very unstable.
05:42<jm_>himanshu: try fully upgrading to jessie if it isn't yet (check the release notes)
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05:45<himanshu>jm_:it is in the "testing" state as per site
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05:45<himanshu>how should I proceed?I need to change my sources.list file to upgrade to jessie?
05:46<jm_>himanshu: it's not, jessie is fully released -- https://www.debian.org/News/2015/20150426
05:46<jm_>himanshu: like I said, follow https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/releasenotes
05:47<himanshu>this is an old article https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/
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05:48<jm_>that's for the next release, I don't recommend you to use that
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05:49<himanshu>jm_: ok thanks I am looking in the release notes
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05:49<jm_>I gave you the URL above
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05:50<crane>hey ho, i have some trouble with systemd. he doesnt want to start openvpn. if i bring it up manually by giving openvpn the config file everything is fine. so i dont think that openvpn is the problem. now how can i debug this why systemd dont want to start it?
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05:52<SynrGy>himanshu: the 'stretch' release you claimed is an old article is not old. 'stretch' is indeed in the testing state.
05:52<SynrGy>himanshu: and as jm_ said, don't use that
05:53<jm_>crane: is it configured to start at boot?
05:53<SynrGy>himanshu: as for the 'stability' of gnome, it is fine. you just need to finish the upgrade as jm_ has already advised, and then everything should be OK. because you partially upgraded, you have a mix of oldstable and stable components on your system, which causes all sorts of problems.
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05:54<SynrGy>if you still have issues after the upgrade, it could be due to some removals during the partial upgrade ...
05:54<crane>jm_: good question but imho this shouldn't be a problem right now cause i tried to start the service right away with systemctl
05:54<SynrGy>although, now that i think of it, probably not
05:54<SynrGy>anyway, we'll cross that bridge when we get to it
05:55<jm_>crane: then check what systemctl --full status tells you for it
05:57<crane>jm_: nope, service not listet. he is logging it into syslog that he is starting it but if i check the service i just see this output in systectml openvpn status "Process: 26221 ExecStart=/bin/true (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)"
05:58<jm_>crane: try starting it again then
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05:58<crane>jm_: i did. nothing changed :/
05:58<crane>same output, no more hints where the problem is
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06:01<jm_>crane: wait, ExecStart=/bin/true means it starts /bin/true
06:01<jm_>doesn't sound quite right to me
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06:02<crane>jm_: and the code=exited? also no service is running?
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06:03<crane>jm_: oh, i just see that the code=exited is really correct on annother machine. so this can be ignored. but i'm still wondering why there is no vpn server running
06:03<jm_>crane: well /bin/true would exit immediately with 0 so yeah all as expected,
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06:06<crane>hmm... okay. but how can i now debug why he is not bringing up vpn? is there some kind of verbose or debug flag for starting services?
06:07<crane>all i can see in syslog is "hey i started openvpn" and the openvpn stays untouched
06:07<jm_>I would start elsewhere - why does it say ExecStart=/bin/true?
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06:11<crane>jm_: but how? i have no clue how to get more informations out of systemd when it trys to start a service
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06:12<jm_>crane: what do you mean how? look at how its systemd unit/service file is created (I tried to look in the package but I only found /etc/init.d/openvpn, not any systemd specific files)
06:13<jm_>for init.d file you'd see ExecStart=/etc/init.d/foo in systemctl show output
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06:23<crane>jm_: i would like to see what he is doing during my systemctl start openvpn command. is this possible? like a verbose or debug flag?
06:24<jm_>crane: https://wiki.debian.org/systemd has some notes on debugging
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06:25<himanshu>SynrGy: thanks I am running apt-get upgrade right now
06:26<jm_>you should use dist-upgrade too
06:27<neria_saada>sup yaoll
06:27<neria_saada>what do you think about the gayz
06:27<neria_saada>im not racist but srsly you guys
06:28<himanshu>jm_: yes ill do that after this completes
06:28<neria_saada>do the gayz?
06:28<jm_>neria_saada: unless you have something debian realted we can help you, please leave
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06:29<himanshu>it is fetching 480 MBs of data right now o-O
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06:58<dacorsa>hi
06:58<dacorsa>goodmorning to all
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06:59<dacorsa>i have a problem when my system debian is booting
07:00<dacorsa>Error! The dkms.conf for this module includes a BUILD_EXCLUSIVE directive which
07:00<dacorsa>does not match this kernel/arch. This indicates that it should not be built.
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07:00<dacorsa>someone can help me? i have an nvidia card
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07:01<jm_>which version of kernel and nvidia-kernel-dkms
07:01<dacorsa>kernel is of aptosid
07:02<dacorsa>4.0.03-1
07:02<jm_>!aptosid
07:02<dpkg>aptosid (formerly sidux) is a live distribution <based on Debian> Sid. It is not supported in #debian. http://aptosid.com/ #aptosid on irc.oftc.net.
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07:02<jm_>try asking there for help
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07:02<dacorsa>no reponse
07:02<dacorsa>nobody talk there
07:02<jm_>well we only support pure debian here
07:02<dacorsa>but in general why i have that error
07:02<dacorsa>?
07:02<svetlana>there where
07:03<dacorsa>when i do dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-4.0.0-3.slh.1-aptosid-686
07:03<dacorsa>i have
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07:03<dacorsa>Error! The dkms.conf for this module includes a BUILD_EXCLUSIVE directive which
07:03<dacorsa>does not match this kernel/arch. This indicates that it should not be built.
07:03<jm_>no need to repeat the error
07:03<dacorsa>ok
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07:04<dacorsa>nobody can help me'?
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07:05<jm_>like I said, we only help with debian issues here - but based on the error message, look at dkms.conf in your nvidia kernel dkms package
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07:05<dacorsa>ok thanks
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07:32<peter1138>Hmm, I suppose upgrading my not-quite-deployed yet servers to Jessie is probably a good idea.
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07:35<svetlana>:-)
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07:42<peter1138>Hmm, crap. libvirtd crashes :(
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07:55<peter1138>Hmm, fixed that, it was that p11-kit stuff complaining about gnome-keyring-module.
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07:55<greg2>I was playing nethack when all of a sudden I was back in the terminal without a save game :'(
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08:13<crane>jm_: i figured it out but this is more then strange for me. my config file has to be named openvpn.conf, anything else will be ignored and openvpn will not start. this is funny because in /etc/init.d/openvpn there is in line 125 a for block which searches for every *.conf file in /etc/openvpn/ and starts them all
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08:17<jm_>crane: ahh I see, the version in jessie now has systemd files where it uses /bin/true in the target, the unit itself has as expected /usr/sbin/openvpn, and there it also has --config /etc/openvpn/%i.conf - so this is maybe related to your issue
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08:18<jm_>no idea about that %i though
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08:21<blast007>crane / jm_: http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.unit.html#Specifiers
08:22<crane>jm_: fun fact is that i build a smiliar setup in another jessie box where i can take every name for the conf files if they end with .conf
08:22<jm_>crane: maybe look at BTS
08:22<jm_>I have to run now though
08:23<jm_>!bts
08:23<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS
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08:27<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Why does Debian 8 have 2 kernel versions? Which should I be running? 3.16.0-4 or 3.2.0-4
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08:28<ElDiabloWar3Evo>The top one is 3.16
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08:31<towo_nb>jessie only has 3.16
08:31<blast007>ElDiabloWar3Evo: 3.2 is probably a leftover kernel from Wheezy
08:32<blast007>'apt-get autoremove' make take care of getting rid of that 3.2 kernel
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08:33<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Autoremove didn't do anything
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08:33<osaru>hi?
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08:37<blast007>ElDiabloWar3Evo: then try purging linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 (or similar, depending on your architecture)
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08:39<roxer_>roundcube is available in deb7 via apt-get but not in deb8, anyway to no when it will be released? I asked roundcube but they said it was up to debian
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08:41<ElDiabloWar3Evo>It gave me a couple errors... pastebin.com/Ch8pFsMf
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08:42<themill>roxer: roundcube wasn't in sufficiently good shape to be in jessie. It might appear in jessie-backports some time.
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08:43<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Is there a way to rerun the bootloader to make sure it is okay?
08:43<roxer>themill: thanks!
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08:51<debianlivesforever>Once OldStable becomes OldStable, does it still provide regular updates to the live DVD ISO's (i.e. are we to expect debian 7.9 ISO's ? )
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08:52<themill>yes, there will be a 7.9 soonish. The frequency of point releases tends to reduce
08:52<debianlivesforever>themill: they release updates for about a year or so ?
08:53<themill>yes
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08:58<debianlivesforever>themill: I wonder what number they are going to use once they release 7.9 ... 7.9.1 ? With squeeze they used to go like 6.0.1 , 6.0.2, but with wheezy they opted to use the first digit instead (i.e. 7.1. , 7.2. ,etc.), meaning?
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08:58<themill>7.10
08:59<themill>the irrelevant and unused 0 in the middle was dropped
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09:07<debianlivesforever>themill: ok, I hadn't thought about the possibility to use 10,11,12,... :S You are absolutel right
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09:08<debianlivesforever>themill: for the time being I will continue to use wheezy then. I want to delay upgrading to jessie as long as possible, I don't want to be forced into systemd
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09:08<debianlivesforever>themill: so if they keep updating for a year it is okay, Devuan 1.0 (i.e. jessie minus systemd) will probably be ready in less than a year
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09:09<themill>You are not forced to use systemd.
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09:10<debianlivesforever>themill: well, in any case, I tried Debian 8.0 and I haven't liked it so far, the way the init scripts proceed, how many mountpoints it creates by default, the way services are managed, etc.
09:10<themill>If you're using sysvinit the init scripts are handled in exactly the same way they always have been.
09:11<debianlivesforever>themill: how do you use sysvinit with jessie? passing an argument to grub?
09:11<themill>!jessie sysvinit
09:11<dpkg>To use an init system other than systemd in jessie, install the systemd-shim package (for logind) and remove the systemd-sysv package: aptitude install systemd-shim sysvinit-core systemd-sysv-. To stick with sysvinit for wheezy->jessie upgrades, follow the pinning advice in the release notes: http://deb.li/30Kby - See also <upstart> and <openrc>
09:12<debianlivesforever>themill: well, and in the case of a liveDVD ?
09:12<themill>nfc. never touch it.
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09:12<somiaj>debianlivesforever: you would have to create your own live image, but that is what live.debian.net actually provides, tools to create custom live images.
09:12<peter1138>Worrying about init system on a livedvd...
09:12<themill>quite
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09:14<debianlivesforever>somiaj: I'd prefer to go with the default images, to be honest
09:14<peter1138>Go with the default images. Init system is pretty much totally irrelevant when booting from a live DVD.
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09:14<debianlivesforever>peter1138: No, I don't worry, as soon as Devuan 1.0 is out , problem solved
09:15<peter1138>Imaginary problem.
09:15<themill>moving on, then...
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09:16*petn-randall passes the popcorn around.
09:16<debianlivesforever>peter1138: well, irrelevant in what sense? Jessie init system is more "bloated" (so to speak) than wheezy, which makes the LiveDVD slower to boot and, once booted, it would be slower as well (i.e. the problem, even if it is just a LiveDVD, is that in not being as minimalistic as Wheezy, it is slower, takes more RAM, etc.)
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09:18<petn-randall>debianlivesforever: How much RAM does systemd take up on your system then?
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09:18<WildMinion>Hi
09:19<crane>does systemd has some kind of cache? i moved away an old costum config and he trys to start this one
09:19<WildMinion>I'm using Debian Jessie and installed apache2, libapache2-mod-php5 and php5 as like before i ever did in Wheezy and Squeeze, but it shows me a blank page, and I don't know what happen. Never changed any config yet in my new installation. How can I fix this?
09:20<debianlivesforever>petn-randall: no, I have not measured it, I don't know. I haven't compared it. Maybe my assumption is wrong
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09:20<petn-randall>crane: You might have to run 'systemctl daemon-reload'. But it could also be that you're just loading the default one.
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09:20<petn-randall>debianlivesforever: Yeah, it's better to check your facts before you start a discussion about it.
09:20<crane>petn-randall: it was a custom config with a costum name. that is not possible. :/
09:21<debianlivesforever>WildMinion: the fix is not using jessie in the first place maybe. You could go on with Wheezy for about another year, before some bugs are polished, or you could just do like me: move on to Duvian
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09:21<themill>debianlivesforever: please stop
09:21<blast007>debianlivesforever: please stop spreading nonsense
09:21<debianlivesforever>petn-randall: Yeah, that we can agree on. I think it is a good methodology to support one's conclusions
09:21<petn-randall>debianlivesforever: That is not WildMinion's problem, please don't give suggestions that won't help.
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09:22<SynrG>debianlivesforever: i'm running out of patience for this. seems your only reason to be here is to bash debian and pump up devuan
09:22<SynrG>if you have an actual support question, please stick to that. otherwise, take it off-channel
09:22<himanshu>this could be a stupid question.
09:23<petn-randall>WildMinion: Check the apache logs, maybe you got a mistake in your config.
09:23<debianlivesforever>SynrG: I have ALWAYS been absolutely LOYAL to debian, it's the only OS I have used for years and years, so no one should tell me that I enjoy bashing debian, believe me
09:23<blast007>WildMinion: perhaps the default web root is different now? verify the path in the default apache site.
09:23<petn-randall>debianlivesforever: moving on.
09:23<WildMinion>blast007: I already put my files in /var/www/html/*
09:23<SynrG>debianlivesforever: speaking with my debian-live team hat on, our philosophy is to offer by default whatever debian-installer would install by default, nothing more.
09:24<debianlivesforever>I will not address WildMinion's question, ok, I respect that.
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09:24<himanshu>im running apt-get dist-upgrade and also have run # sed -i 's/wheezy/jessie/g' /etc/apt/sources.list
09:24<blast007>WildMinion: check the apache access/error logs then to see if you can figure out what is going on
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09:25<SamB_laptop>I am always saying bad things about Debian myself, but mostly because I'm attempting to bring them to the attention of someone in a position to fix them
09:25<debianlivesforever>SynrG: Have you noticed that Debian 8.0 Live DVD does not install cryptsetup ? Is that bug going to be fixed in 8.1 ?
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09:25<SamB_laptop>debianlivesforever: is it reported against ... hmm, what would you report that against anyway?
09:25<debianlivesforever>SamB_laptop: I don't understand your question
09:26<WildMinion>petn-randall: no log entries
09:26<himanshu>apt-get dist-upgrade is still in progress
09:26<SynrG>debian-cd, since that's the team responsible for producing those images.
09:26<himanshu>have I done it wrong?
09:26<himanshu>can it cause trouble?
09:26<SamB_laptop>debianlivesforever: well, if it's a bug, it is best for it to be reported
09:26<debianlivesforever>SynrG: SamB_laptop it's already been reported, but no reply
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09:26<petn-randall>debianlivesforever: How is that a bug? If you need it, just install it in the live image.
09:26<himanshu>jm_: your views please?
09:27<peter1138>himanshu, upgrading from wheezy to jessie can be a long process, yes. There are a lot of packages to download and install.
09:27<SynrG>debianlivesforever: then whining to me about it won't get it done any faster. all the relevant info is in the bug.
09:27<debianlivesforever>petn-randall: the logical thing to do is that it comes preinstalled like it has always been
09:27<SamB_laptop>debianlivesforever: well then I guess there's no need for me to help you figure out what package it needs to be reported against.
09:27<debianlivesforever>SamB_laptop: pseudopackages
09:27<petn-randall>debianlivesforever: Then file a wishlist bug and bring up good arguments why it should be included.
09:28<SynrG>petn-randall: debianlivesforever indicated a bug is already filed
09:28<himanshu>peter1138: I executed this sed -i 's/wheezy/jessie/g' /etc/apt/sources.list while apt-get dist-upgrade is still in progress.I was wondering I had to do it after it?
09:28<WildMinion>debianlivesforever: You're in the debian channel and recommend be using other distributions? Lol!
09:28<WildMinion>*me
09:28<debianlivesforever>petn-randall: "wishlist"? LoL, I would file it as "critical"
09:29<himanshu>peter1138: I hope it doesnt causes problems?
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09:29<petn-randall>debianlivesforever: Do you have any other support question?
09:29<SynrG>debianlivesforever: fortunately, bug severities aren't arbitrary, so you don't get to determine that
09:29<SynrG>debianlivesforever: 'critical' has a specific meaning, which apparently you're unfamiliar with. read up on priorities
09:29<WildMinion>blast007, petn-randall: I think it's fixed now after i've disabled and enabled the php5 mod in apache2 o.O Now the server can parse my php scripts
09:30<peter1138>himanshu, while it was running? That's an odd thing to do.
09:30<debianlivesforever>WildMinion: what other distributions? Please, do not take things out of context, the "other distributions" you are talking about exist only and only because the persistence to make debian become something against its own foundation, which forced the neccesity of a fork, that's not like talking about "other distributions" precisely
09:30<SynrG>debianlivesforever: right. i said i had enough. enough
09:31<peter1138>So much for bloat, this freshly upgraded Jessie VM boots nearly instantly, versus a few seconds before.
09:31<WildMinion>debianlivesforever: whatever, your answer to my problem wasn't helpful ;)
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09:31<petn-randall>SynrG: thanks.
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09:31<himanshu>peter1138: I had opened up 2 root terminals.. download is still going on and I ran sed -i 's/wheezy/jessie..... in the other
09:31<himanshu>will it cause problems now?
09:31<peter1138>himanshu, no. You need to have run apt-get update for the changes to take effect.
09:32<WildMinion>petn-randall: It's fixed nw, i had to disale and re-enable the php5 mod ... looks like a bug?
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09:32<peter1138>ls -l
09:32<peter1138>Er
09:32<petn-randall>WildMinion: Hard to say without knowing the cause. Was it enabled in the first place? Maybe you forgot to restart apache after enabling it the first time?
09:32<blast007>WildMinion: does it exhibit the same behavior if you disable the mod? if so, perhaps it wasn't enabled.
09:32<himanshu>can I correct that now?
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09:33<WildMinion>blast007, petn-randall: the mod was enabled within the apt-get install process, and apache2 restarted itself.
09:33<petn-randall>himanshu: If you're dist-upgrading with wheezy, it probably makes sense to let that finish first.
09:33<himanshu>yea I m sorry I did not know what sed -i..... would do
09:34<himanshu>can I revert?
09:34<petn-randall>himanshu: Word of caution, never run things on the terminal (as root or as another user) that you don't fully understand. Some evil people sometimes "prank" others into deleting/crashing the system.
09:34<himanshu>Im new to linux sorry
09:34<WildMinion>blast007, petn-randall: Hmm, but now it works, thanks for assistance ;)
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09:35<petn-randall>WildMinion: You're welcome! Come back if you have any further questions.
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09:35<blast007>himanshu: are you planning to upgrade to jessie next?
09:35<WildMinion>I will ;) Thanks, have a nice day/night.
09:35<himanshu>petn-randall: yes I am sorry.. I was reading an article and copied it from there.
09:35<Chrilz>Is there any rules regarding going AFK here?
09:36<himanshu>blast007: yes I am,I was doing apt-get dist-upgrade of CURRENT SYSTEM as mentioned in the jessie release note
09:36<blast007>Chrilz: general guidelines for most channels are mainly that your client shouldn't send any automatic away notifications and not using 'afk' nick changes
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09:36<petn-randall>Chrilz: come and go as you like, as long as your IRC client doesn't rename your nick to *_afk and back all the time.
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09:37<Chrilz>ahh ok thanks guys
09:37<himanshu>blast007: but have executed sed -i 's/wheezy/jessie/g' /etc/apt/sources.list in between
09:37<blast007>himanshu: then leaving it as is would be fine then. as was mentioned, the updated information in your sources.list won't be read until the next 'apt-get update'
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09:39<himanshu>blast007: thanks man.. I thought it will affect dist-upgrade..
09:39<crane>petn-randall: ouh maybe i was not verbose enough. i'm trying to run openvpn. if i bring this up with config a.conf he is happy. now if i move this config to b.conf he is still searching for a.conf. so i asume that there is something cached about "last working config" or something like this
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09:40<himanshu>blast007:I will have to do an apt-get update to finally move to jessie?
09:40<himanshu>after the current dist-upgrade?
09:41<blast007>himanshu: apt-get update will update the local package database using information from the jessie repos, after which you can continue with the upgrade
09:41<blast007>yeah, after the current dist-upgrade
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09:42<petn-randall>crane: That's not at all related to systemd then. The config is parsed by openvpn.
09:42<crane>petn-randall: i can't confirm this. openvpn ist started by systemd and there is the wrong config file passed
09:43<crane>somewhere this is cached
09:43<peter1138>Or you copied it to the wrong place.
09:43<crane>nope ^^
09:44<himanshu>blast007:what to do after apt-get update?
09:44<ary>Hi. i have a question. How can I do this command on terminal? Copy from /Home/user and its subdirs all files .jpg to /home/user/images
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09:45<blast007>!tell himanshu about wheezy->jessie
09:45<blast007>himanshu: check the private message from dpkg
09:46<peter1138>So, er, where should custom systemd .service file go? I see files in /etc/systemd/system, /lib/systemd/system and /usr/lib/systemd/system. And they all seem to work.
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09:48<jthomas>ary use the 'find' command, like: $ find /home/user/ -name *.jpg -exec cp {} /home/user/images \;
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09:48<jthomas>there are other options also and I can't promise my line is exact :)
09:49<ary>jthomas, can I use mv instead cp??
09:49<blast007>may want to somehow exclude the /home/user/images from being searched as well ;)
09:50<jthomas>sure, you asked for copy tho
09:50<jthomas>yeah blast007 makes a good point ary
09:50<somiaj>peter1138: in /etc/systemd/system (/lib/systemd/system is where packages will put them)
09:50<jthomas>not sure how to do that tho, other than to copy the files somewhere outside of /home/user/ and then move them there wehen done
09:50<somiaj>peter1138: as standard users shouldn't be putting any files in /lib or /usr/lib, only packages.
09:51<jthomas>also, with cp you have less chance to accidentally delete files (move them to the void)
09:51<blast007>doesn't look like there's an exclude option for find. and yeah, my suggestion was going to be moving them somewhere outside of the home folder first.
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09:51<ary>jthomas, with find comand like u said, it find only the directory. I need to search on subdirs too!!!
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09:51<somiaj>peter1138: I'm unsure on this, but I belive if you put a service file by the same name in /etc/systemd/system it should take priority over the package one in /lib (or /usr/lib forget which one is used), this gives users the ability to modify or make custom files but leave the package scripts alone.
09:52<blast007>ary: no, it searches recursively for files ending in .jpg
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09:52<peter1138>somiaj, ok, thanks.
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09:52<blast007>ary: the directory specifies is the starting point it searches from. check 'man find' for more information.
09:53<himanshu>what is dpkg?
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09:53<himanshu>a bot?
09:53<blast007>himanshu: in the context of this channel's users, it's an IRC bot with factoids (information triggered by keywords).
09:53<jthomas>dpkg installs debian .deb packages, usually used by apt and aptitude, not by people, but sometime by people
09:53<dpkg>You are person #3 to send an unparseable request, jthomas
09:53<jthomas>oh that.
09:54<himanshu>wow...
09:54<himanshu>Linux is interesting
09:54<himanshu>thanks blast007
09:54<jthomas>:)
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09:56<SynrGy>!tell himanshu about dpkbot
09:56<SynrGy>!tell himanshu about dpkgbot
09:57<SynrGy>himanshu: read the private message dpkg bot sent you
09:57<SynrGy>himanshu: you can continue in that query window to learn more
09:59*peter1138 attempts to retrain his fingers to type systemctl stop ... instead of /etc/init.d/... stop
09:59<somiaj>peter1138: why not, they are compadable
09:59<SamB_laptop>himanshu: the one in the channel is a bot, yes
09:59<somiaj>peter1138: I like that /etc/init.d/service start/stop works with systemd, just says hey by the way I used systemctl to do it. (:
09:59<SamB_laptop>oh, someone said already
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10:00<SamB_laptop>somiaj: that sounds like some kind of evil hack
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10:00<peter1138>Convenient hack.
10:00<peter1138>somiaj, mainly because I'm not bothering to create init.d files for my custom services.
10:01<somiaj>peter1138: ahh that would make sense, (:
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10:03<SamB_laptop>peter1138: that's a pretty good excuse not to have an initscript
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10:33<Autofire>I'll put this up again since I don't see any responses... I recently updated this computer from wheezy to jessie. gdm3 was one of the many things to die. :( I think gdm3 fails to run because it didn't install properly. I've googled around some, but I didn't find any relevant answers. gdm3 doesn't give too much meaningful output, so here's what I have: http://paste.debian.net/177316/ (Notes I added are marked by '//')
10:33<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Does anyone have the link to why The Debian Team choose systemd over initd ?
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10:33<Autofire>!initd
10:33<dpkg>somebody said initd was a daemon that starts any other program on a normal Linux-system
10:34<Autofire>!systemd
10:34<dpkg>systemd is a system and service manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. It is a replacement for <sysvinit>. systemd shipped as a technology preview in Debian 7 "Wheezy" and is the default init system in Debian 8 "Jessie". https://wiki.debian.org/systemd #debian-systemd on irc.oftc.net http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd #systemd on irc.freenode.net. See also <why systemd>.
10:34<Autofire>!why systemd
10:34<dpkg>a tired argument. Start by reading rra's excellent analysis at https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2013/12/msg00234.html Support for other init systems (sysvinit) will still be present in Debian 8. systemd-shim (in development) will allow userspace requiring some systemd APIs to work without it.
10:35<rfreeman-w>ElDiabloWar3Evo, fortunately debian can be purged from systemd and work with sanely lead init system
10:35<Autofire>I didn't actually expect to get their reason right here... :P
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10:36<ElDiabloWar3Evo>I'm just curious... I had to do a ton of stuff to upgrade and stay with default.
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10:36<n8ykh>autofire, have you reinstalled your graphics card drivers?
10:37<ElDiabloWar3Evo>With all the work, and loss of a few apps.. piped my curiosity.
10:38<rfreeman-w>ElDiabloWar3Evo, I think there was some political pressure from Debian Woman or other nonsense
10:38<Autofire>n8ykh: Since when? I did install the driver from Nvidia's page a long time ago for wheezy, since the one for this specific card wasn't on wheezy. However, I think jessie has the driver so it's now unnecessary. I should also say that xfce4 and gnome3 both run fine.
10:39<n8ykh>when i updated to jessie, it broke my nvidia drivers and gnome wouldn't start. i reinstalled the drivers via console and rebooted.
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10:40<Autofire>Did you reinstall it through a debian package or from Nvidia's .run file?
10:40<ElDiabloWar3Evo>I had major hell with the nvidia part. I had to figure out if my system supported some kind if kms or whatever. Cause it would only boot to console and not to startx
10:41<n8ykh>i had the nonfree line in sources.list and used apt-get
10:41<ElDiabloWar3Evo>N8ykh, I have the answer for you.. But I have too look it up on my system.
10:41<ElDiabloWar3Evo>I'm on the toliet ATM.
10:41<n8ykh>i am not the one having issues'
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10:42<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Was it me? Sorry I had already solved it.
10:42<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Oh, autofire?
10:43<Autofire>Okay. Well, I don't think that's the problem since, like I said, Xfce4 and Gnome3 both run perfectly fine, yet gdm3 comes up with a error screen saying 'something broke' and then only giving me an exit button.
10:43<n8ykh>i was talking to autofire, i suppose i need to get into the habit of putting names in my chat
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10:43<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Never mind, my bad for butting in.
10:44<ElDiabloWar3Evo>My original issue with nvidia was not being able to boot into startx after upgrade, if anyone has that issue I know that solution.
10:45<n8ykh>autofire, have you been here: https://help.gnome.org/admin/gdm/stable/troubleshooting.html.en
10:46<ElDiabloWar3Evo>I hate the new system though. Suspending the computer is a flip of the coin and if I come back, it does not require a password !!!
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10:46<ElDiabloWar3Evo>systemctl suspend
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10:47<Autofire>n8ykh: Well, I'm certain it's not the xserver, because that's running fine.
10:47<ElDiabloWar3Evo>The login window suspend locks up the system.
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10:47<Autofire>n8ykh: I'll check the /tmp folder, though
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10:49<Autofire>n8ykh: /tmp looks fine. Has read/write for all.
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10:52<n8ykh>i don't know
10:52<wargreen>hi all !
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10:53<Autofire>I expect it to be a problem with installing because aptitute always gives an error when I reinstall gdm3.
10:53<Autofire>Saying "Job for gdm.service failed. See 'systemctl status gdm.service' and 'journalctl -xn' for details.", and with those two here: http://paste.debian.net/177316/
10:54<Autofire>Actually let me put that specific part into google. I don't think I tried that yet
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10:55<wargreen>On a new build pxe debian, my init try to mount twice the NFS containing the root filesystem, and loop on the fail of the second try... When it timeout and i got the busybox, i can view the first correct NFS mount with the filesystem. Have you an idea about what try to mount the second time ?
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10:55<n8ykh>autofire, you could just use apt.
10:56<Autofire>n8ykh: But I can't reinstall things with apt-get, as far as I know. I normally just use apt-get...
10:56<Autofire>Or synaptic when I'm feeling lazy, though that's broken too.
10:57<n8ykh>autofire, i would remove, not reinstall.
10:57<Autofire>n8ykh: The problem with doing that is then I must uninstall gnome.
10:58<n8ykh>autofire, I would do that, to get it fixed.
10:58<Autofire>n8ykh: Which isn't too much of a problem, I guess. Most of the users of this computer (myself included) prefer xfce4
10:58<Autofire>n8ykh: Alright, I'll try it.
10:58<AberHatschi>
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11:00<Autofire>wargreen: All I can suggest is maybe your have fstab got the file system twice. However, I'm not familiar with systems that run purely off NFS.
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11:02<Autofire>Anyway, I'm off. Hard to run gnome while you're uninstalling it. :P
11:03<Autofire>I'll be back in a few and say if it worked.
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11:03<wargreen>Autofire, in my image chroot, the fstab is empty. I try to look via the busybox
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11:05<wargreen>... and it's empty also
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11:29<Autofire>Hi again! Sadly, doing 'apt-get remove gdm3' and then 'apt-get install gdm3 gnome {etc.}' didn't fix gdm3. If I tried 'apt-get purge gdm3', would it possibly nuke user files? (I do have everything backed up, but I just want to make sure.)
11:30<Autofire>For those of you who don't know, apt gives an error message when isntalling gdm3, and I suspect that's the cause for gdm3 failing to run.
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11:31<lostatwork>what is the error message ?
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11:32<Autofire>Oh, um...just a second
11:33<Autofire>from http://paste.debian.net/177316/ : Job for gdm.service failed. See 'systemctl status gdm.service' and 'journalctl -xn' for details.
11:36<lostatwork>do you still have slim installed ?
11:38<Autofire>Yes, though I'm not using it at the moment. Trying wdm. (It's better, but it still doesn't work with xscreensaver. >.>)
11:39<lostatwork>so which one do you want to use ?
11:42<Autofire>Well, actually I think I like wdm better but it needs to work with user switching. gdm is the only one I've used that works with it. (I mean, allows you to switch users without needing to use ctrl-alt-F8, since some of the less computer-savvy people here don't like doing things that way.) So the answer to that is if I can get xscreensaver to work with wdm or not. I think I'll go look that up, now that I think about it.
11:42<fanto666>how can I view packages whose versions are not available?
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11:43<lostatwork>fanto666: https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages
11:44<fanto666>lostatwork: I mean, packages I have installed but installed version is not available
11:44<fanto666>like manually installed newer versions
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11:45<blast007>fanto666: manually installed how?
11:46<fanto666>is I new that
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11:46<fanto666>if...
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11:46<fanto666>if a newer package is manually installed (e.g. dpkg -i) how can I see it? I think there was aptitude search string for that
11:47<blast007>fanto666: well, my point is, if the software was manually compiled and installed via 'make install', you can't.
11:47<fanto666>ah, no... debs
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11:47<blast007>fanto666: do you have a specific issue you are trying so solve, or just hypothetical?
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11:48<fanto666>blast007: I maintain many servers, often with such packages installed. I would like to know which
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11:49<fanto666>if there are newer versions, aptitude shows them as upgradable, but if the versions available are lower, I don't see that
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11:51<fanto666>!unavailable
11:53<blast007>fanto666: perhaps something like this: aptitude search '?narrow(?installed, !?origin(Debian))!?obsolete'
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11:54<blast007>That's not necessarily fool proof, I'd imagine. A better suggestion would be to not install random third party packages. :)
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11:56<fanto666>well, this finds packages not installed from debian repositories
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11:57<blast007>fanto666: why are you installing random .deb files?
11:57<fanto666>maybe those that have no origin
11:57<fanto666>blast007: I do not, I have inherited such servers
11:57<blast007>then rebuild them ;)
11:57<fanto666>blast007: which one?
11:57<jthomas>Still fighting Samba, valdyn. I cannot get Samba to start whenever I have 'passdb backend = ldapsam' set up; when I change that to tdbsam then Samba works fine.
11:58<blast007>the server itself.. start over
11:58<fanto666>blast007: tens of them
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11:59<fanto666>well I could do that using dselect and grep-dctrl
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12:01<elementar>LightDM, with switching. Exemple with XFCE4: https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=8686
12:01<fanto666>~i ?any-version(!~O.) !~U !~o
12:02<jimpop>what spawns all the agetty's in jessie?
12:04<fanto666>that one works, just FYI
12:04<fanto666>jimpop systemd or init
12:05<fanto666>systemd for new installs
12:05<fanto666>not sure
12:05<jimpop>right, but where in systemd... i have no need for 5 running agettys
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12:06<fanto666>well, I have 6 to 8
12:06<fanto666>one for each virtual console
12:06<jimpop>let's say I wanted 20... :-) how do I add/del them. It use to be easy in inittab...
12:07<blast007>jimpop: don't have a setup here, but maybe /etc/systemd/logind.conf with the NAutoVTs option
12:07<jimpop>blast007: testing...
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12:08<jimpop>nope (changed to 1, rebooted, still have 6)
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12:11<blast007>jimpop: and you removed the # from the start of that line so it was no longer a comment?
12:11<jimpop>yep
12:11<jimpop>just tried 0 on NAutoVTs and ReserveVTs and still have 6 VTs
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12:14<fanto666>hello, unattended-upgrades does not upgrade libreoffice packages, the debug message is multiple times "pkg 'libreoffice-evolution' now marked delete|", is this a known problem?
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12:15<blast007>jimpop: I set it to 2, and only 1, 2, and 6 are created (6 is created because that is the ReserveVT's default to ensure there is at least 1 VT)
12:16<blast007>jimpop: http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/logind.conf.html
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12:17<jimpop>seems like 0 should disable them. My keyboard-less systems don't have ALT-F6.... :-)
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12:18<jimpop>nor a desktop for that matter
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12:45<PEB>when I try to submit a bug, i get this : https://zero.crans.org/?5de7ceee4a299afe#Tw2A/fdT/wLr/cWTkjCl0rqoXFNyVt0jcB91VLKNoSo=
12:45<PEB>is the BTS down ?
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12:58<somiaj>PEB: care to use paste.debian.net, or some other site, I'm not going to read a link from that link when it gives me browser warnings.
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12:58<somiaj>PEB: as for the bts, I was able to search for bugs just fine, haven't tried to submit any though
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12:59<xreal>Which was is best for a normal chroot? Every tutorial shows other results. I've read, "--bind" is even better than mounting sysfs & Co. http://pastie.org/pastes/10190743/text
12:59<xreal>Which one*
13:00<somiaj>xreal: I don't think there is much difference, but I would suggest --bind just in case, but they should both be access the same info in the kernel.
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13:01<somiaj>xreal: this is for say sysfs, procfs, stuff that just accesses info with the kernel. Other file systems you will want to --bind.
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13:02<xreal>somiaj: So --rbind /dev is also okay?
13:03<Autofire>What's the command to get wdm to bring up another log in screen? I need it so that xscreensaver will properly allow login switching
13:03<somiaj>xreal: I would do that since /dev is controled by udev and you want to make srue they are consistant.
13:04<somiaj>Autofire: are you sure wdm even supports that?
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13:04<Autofire>somiaj: I'm not sure. I'm guessing it doesn't, but I was wondering if anyone here knew
13:04<xreal>somiaj: I'm just confused why there is "devpts", but nothing equal for "dev".
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13:05<somiaj>Autofire: I am not seeing any support for it in a quick google search and would doubt it has it. wdm is an old simple display manager and might be missing lots of the modern features in gdm
13:05<jthomas>What should i have in my pam.d/ settings to prevent this error and allow Samba logins to work with local pam.d/ configs on my Deb8? " pam_unix(samba:session): session closed for user nobody " SSH works, LDAP works, but I cannot get Samba to work.
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13:06<somiaj>xreal: I am unsure on the details but I think udev creates the /dev file system as things change and it isn't directly releated to the kernel or something that is mounted. I also think systemd is now in the mix with udev and thus stuff in /dev
13:06<Autofire>somiaj: Arg...if only gdm worked! No one here seems to know how to help me get it working so I'm looking for alternatives. lightdm crashes
13:06<xreal>somiaj: systemd... yipee :(
13:06<xreal>somiaj: thanks for help :D
13:07<somiaj>xreal: /lib/systemd/systemd-udevd -- one of the process I have running.
13:07<xreal>apt-get purge systemd-and-anything-else-confusing-me
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13:09<somiaj>xreal: umm, if you don't want systemd don't do that
13:09<somiaj>!remove systemd
13:09<dpkg>To use an init system other than systemd in jessie, install the systemd-shim package (for logind) and remove the systemd-sysv package: aptitude install systemd-shim sysvinit-core systemd-sysv-. To stick with sysvinit for wheezy->jessie upgrades, follow the pinning advice in the release notes: http://deb.li/30Kby - See also <upstart> and <openrc>
13:10<xreal>somiaj: I think, I have to use systemd, since it'll be the future.
13:10<somiaj>well the future in jessie is both are supported
13:10<somiaj>as for if debian will contiue this, the plan as far as I know is yes, but this can change. I am using it just to learn it for my own benifit, but I suggest if you prefer sysvinit, to use sysvinit
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13:13<crane>the moment when you have to use reportbug to fill in a report for a bug in... reportbug... *sigh*
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13:21<ElDiabloWar3Evo>isn't going from 3.2.0 to 3.16.0 backwards?
13:22<ElDiabloWar3Evo>as far as linux kernels?
13:22<ElDiabloWar3Evo>or is that just a numbering system that doesn't mean anything at all as far as debian?
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13:22<di0x>awa1!!!!
13:22<ElDiabloWar3Evo>awal?
13:22<ElDiabloWar3Evo>is that stand for something?
13:23<jthomas>ignore the decimal place; 16 is larger than 2
13:23<di0x>ah, awal
13:23<di0x><ElDiabloWar3Evo> isn't going from 3.2.0 to 3.16.0 backwards?
13:23<jthomas>ignore the decimal place; 16 is larger than 2
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13:23<ElDiabloWar3Evo>?? i thought .20 is larger than .16
13:23<di0x>true
13:23<jthomas>ignore the decimal
13:23<ElDiabloWar3Evo>oh
13:23<jthomas>Ubuntu has this same bad numbering
13:23<ElDiabloWar3Evo>why in the world would anyone do that.. why not 3.02 ?
13:23<di0x>ElDiabloWar3Evo, (1326 > 1280)!
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13:24<awal>ElDiabloWar3Evo: ?
13:24<ElDiabloWar3Evo>wow.. i need to go to some place and suggest they get the numbering system fixed :P
13:24<jthomas>there are far larger issues to be fixed
13:24<ElDiabloWar3Evo><-- its the weekend, and i'm a bit tipsy
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13:25<di0x>cloak set
13:25<ElDiabloWar3Evo>urmm.. where is the off topic channel for debian?
13:25<ElDiabloWar3Evo>i hate to just chit-chat in a support channel
13:25<ElDiabloWar3Evo>cloak set?
13:25<di0x>eh i ment my personal cloak
13:25<di0x>with IPv6 long history br0.
13:26<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Urm.. what ever happened to everyone moving to IPV6?
13:26<di0x>debian 3.16 i was installing it and get a livecd image on my hd
13:26<ElDiabloWar3Evo>everyone still uses IPV4
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13:26<ElDiabloWar3Evo>i wonder how intensive it is to program a linux kernel
13:26<di0x>with a 2 hours instaallation process would be more fast dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sda1 bs=16M
13:27<di0x>but yeah
13:27<di0x>kernel 3.16 ? i have 3.2 and its pretty good
13:27<di0x>indeed on ubuntu i've installed 4.0 now i'm on gentoo
13:27<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Does anyone know the best way to move my passcode from having to type it in .. than to use a usb drive for debian crypt luks?
13:28<ElDiabloWar3Evo>nevermind my last question.
13:28<ElDiabloWar3Evo>although you can email me the answer @ ... admin@war3evo.info
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13:29<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Isn't ubuntu supported by a paid company?
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13:29<ElDiabloWar3Evo>it's no longer considered open source .. or something like that?
13:29<ElDiabloWar3Evo>afk
13:30<valdyn>!afk
13:30<dpkg>i heard afk is Away From Keyboard
13:30<valdyn>woa, who broke that factoid
13:30<valdyn>!away
13:30<dpkg>Do not use public away/back messages in #debian. If we want to know where you are, we'll /whois you. In BitchX, /set auto_away off; in XChat, Preferences > Chatting > General > uncheck Announce Away Messages; ask in #yourircclient if you have questions. If you continue to use public aways/backs you will be devoiced. http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html
13:31<valdyn>ElDiabloWar3Evo: ^^
13:31<di0x>hehe
13:31<jthomas>ElDiabloWar3Evo they're still Linux, they just don't mention it anywhere. It's supported by Canonical which is a commercial company. They still use .deb files but they're not Debian compatible and should rename the extention .ubu just to remove confusion.
13:31<ElDiabloWar3Evo>oh
13:31<ElDiabloWar3Evo>im sorry
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13:32<ElDiabloWar3Evo>wow.. i didn't know this was a rule
13:32<PEB>somiaj: ok though : https://paste.debian.net/177695/
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13:34<crane>hmm... reportbug is really broken. soap api is not avaiable. something down from debian?
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13:37<dondelelcaro>crane: it works for me here
13:37<dondelelcaro>crane: we did just upgrade one of the hosts, but it seems to be working fine AFAICT
13:37<crane>dondelelcaro: using jessie?
13:38<PEB>for me it doesn't work
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13:39<crane>dondelelcaro: http://paste.debian.net/177697/
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13:40<crane>sure that this is not related to the upgrades? if not i would like to fill a bug report for reportbug *nice play* ^^
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13:47<dondelelcaro>hrm; I see the error now
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13:47<dondelelcaro>it's not a bug in reportbug, though
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13:47<crane>then i will not fill in a bug report ^^
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13:48<dondelelcaro>someone's already filed the bug as #785405
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13:50<crane>ah, very fresh
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14:01<xreal>I've installed a chroot environment using --variant=minbase - why the heck did it install an init-system and parts of x11 like fonts and video libraries?
14:01<xreal>minbase => MINIMAL BASE :(
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15:50<ipso>I'm having a heck of a time getting TINC to start with Jessie, if I run "tincd -n 'mynet'" manually it starts and works fine, however "service tinc start" doesn't display anything and the tincd process doesn't start. Running "/etc/init.d/tinc start" says "Starting tinc (via systemctl)", but no tincd process is started that way either. Any ideas how I can diagnose this?
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15:53<somiaj>ipso: sounds like you are using systemd, look at 'systemctl status tinc' and see what sort of errors or logs it reports on trying to start that service.
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15:53<somiaj>ipso: also is this a debian package or are you needed to write your own systemd service file?
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15:54<ipso>somiaj, default systemd service file
15:54<ipso>somiaj, it appears to be getting stuck somewhere...
15:54<somiaj>ipso: look at 'systemctl status tinc.service' and see what it says.
15:55<somiaj>ipso: that should give you the errors you are looking for (took me a while to figure this out when I was first learning to debug systemd service files)
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15:56<ipso>somiaj, when I check the status, it appears to be starting fine...
15:56<ipso>somiaj, there are two systemctl start processes though
15:57<ipso>oh, I think I know why
15:57<somiaj>ipso: I had an issue where I had to run 'systemctl stop service' because if systemctl thinks the service is running it won't start it even if you tell it to.
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15:58<ipso>somiaj, yeah, I think thats whats going on here
15:58<ipso>somiaj, systemd thinks its started, when it hasn't actually been, so I have to stop/start it again
15:59<somiaj>ipso: yea I ran into that issue, took me many hours of wondering 'why isn't this working, it should work, everything says it should work' until I realized it just ignored my command.
15:59<somiaj>ipso: really wish it would say 'hey dummy, the service is running so I'm not going to start it' instead of saying nothing which means it did what I told it to.
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16:02<ipso>somiaj, agreed. ;)
16:02<ipso>somiaj, thanks for the help, you got me pointed in the right direction
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16:17<xreal>Can anyone please explain, why debootstrap installs systemd & other libraries, like video decoders, fonts etc. when using minbase?
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16:21<acald3ron>i just upgrade from weezy to jessue my server and my php dont work
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16:22<blast007>acald3ron: can you elaborate?
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16:22<devil>acald3ron: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=668001 ?
16:22<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/668001 in debootstrap (closed, d-i, patch): «debootstrap: cant install systemd instead of sysvinit»; severity: normal; opened: 2012-04-08; last modified: 2015-05-09.
16:22<acald3ron>http://acald3ron.me/test.php
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16:23<devil>acald3ron: ups, sorry
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16:23<devil>xreal: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=668001 ?
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16:24<blast007>acald3ron: what if you use <?php instead of <?
16:25<xreal>devil: Ok... dev & ops force me to install it first and then post-uninstall :(
16:25<xreal>devil: thanks :(
16:25<devil>xreal: also: https://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2015/05/msg00156.html
16:25<DrZaius>i have dhclient entries like this one http://paste.debian.net/177787/ on my daemons.log every 3 minutes, despite having a proper ip set into br0... does anybody knows why could this be happening?
16:26<xreal>devil: Nice... then I have to wait 4 years again to get this fixed :)
16:26<DrZaius>actually, i forgot to paste the last line:
16:26<DrZaius>dhclient: No working leases in persistent database - sleeping.
16:27<acald3ron>Blacker47, i change it.
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16:34<acald3ron>help
16:35<blast007>acald3ron: is the PHP apache module enabled?
16:35<blast007>a2enmod php5
16:36<acald3ron>Blacker47, Module php5 already enabled
16:36<blast007>disable it and then enable it again (and that's not my name, btw...)
16:36<Blacker47>O.o
16:37<acald3ron>:p
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16:38<acald3ron>not working
16:39<blast007>restarted apache?
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16:40<di0x>:p
16:40<di0x>nginx here
16:40<acald3ron>blast007, http://paste.debian.net/177791/
16:40<acald3ron>not working
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16:43<blast007>dunno then, sorry
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17:09<acald3ron>well i type in console: php -i and a got install php. if gotty be some relation with apache.
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17:16<leonardo>not really a problem, but with a new installation of Jessie, the first (and only) network card becomes eth1 (instead of eth0). Should I blame systemd for this too?
17:18<awal>nothing changed here leonardo, eth0 and wlan0 still whta is detected
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17:31<leonardo>Went to dmesg and found eth0: RTL8168g blah, blah. a couple of lines later "systemd-udevd[230]: renamed network interface eth0 to eth1"
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17:31<leonardo>Does anybody know why?
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17:37<valdyn>leonardo: probably because of /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
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17:54<leonardo>valdyn. Brilliant. Found to similar lines in 70-persistent rules, commented the one referring to eth1. Stopped the network, reloaded udev, and brought up eth0. I only forgot to modify /etc/networking/interfaces that was still referring to eth1. Changed it and ifup eth0 has me happy again!
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17:56<valdyn>leonardo: this should have generated a new line there
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17:59<leonardo>valdyn: Just checked. No changes.
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18:00<xreal>Und wieder ein Jahr äler...
18:00<xreal>wrong channel
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18:00<Krakakanok>xD
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18:15<DrZaius>I have no sound using a local mpd client... everything seems to sound fine... does anybody know how to debug this?
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18:21*di0x offers Krakakanok a johny walker
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18:21<di0x>DrZaius, alsamixer?
18:22<DrZaius>i think im using pa... but alsamixer volumes are up
18:22<Krakakanok>i drink ron di0x xD
18:22<Krakakanok>but thanks xD
18:23<di0x>ron cazique
18:23<di0x>xD
18:23<Krakakanok>for example
18:23<di0x>i'm compiling a weird bot on kernel 2.2 gcc-2.95 tc 8.2b
18:24<di0x>it will be long
18:24<di0x>tcl*
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18:25<DrZaius>di0x: any other idea? :>
18:25<di0x>alsactl restore
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18:26<DrZaius>di0x: every other thing is working
18:26<DrZaius>sound-wise
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18:26<di0x>it happens to me on fedora too
18:27<DrZaius>done... still no sound :>
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18:30<di0x>DrZaius, lspci and found the sound driver
18:30<DrZaius>00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 05) ?
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18:31<awal>Any single nice command for check via terminal the packs updated recently without having to look at apt cache files?
18:32<somiaj>awal: packages that need to be updated? or the list of all packages that were updated recentally?
18:32<awal>somiaj: the packages that were updated recently
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18:33<somiaj>awal: check the logs, /var/log/ there are logs for apt and dpkg
18:33<DrZaius>cat /var/log/dpkg.log|grep \ installed
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18:33<awal>somiaj: ok, let me check that
18:33<di0x>DrZaius, reboot?
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18:34<di0x>alsactl store
18:34<DrZaius>grep \ installed /var/log/dpkg.log :P
18:34<di0x>you should have sound after reboot
18:34<DrZaius>di0x: i just rebooted :)
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18:34<di0x>http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=83980
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18:35<DrZaius>di0x: i do have sound. i just dont have sound in the mpc client... (this is the first time i tried it, and so it didnt work before)
18:36<di0x>but you used alsactl restore not alsact store :>
18:36<DrZaius>okay... ill try to store it and reboot again, but i just think alsa sound is okay
18:37<di0x>then dont
18:37<DrZaius>okay :)
18:37<DrZaius>im going to reboo
18:37<di0x>mpc?
18:37<DrZaius>t
18:37<di0x>media player classic?
18:37<DrZaius>mpd*
18:37<di0x>xbmc? that kind of?
18:37<di0x>but vlc sound works?
18:37<DrZaius>yes... all the sound works
18:38<di0x>then i cant help you more :=)
18:38<DrZaius>only the mpd client doesnt have sound
18:38<DrZaius>:)
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18:38<di0x>check options, maybe is pulseaudio/alsa conflict
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18:38<DrZaius>thanks... its the first time i try to use mpd... i would had expected to work out of the box but it didnt :(
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18:39<awal>DrZaius: great. "grep \ installed /var/log/dpkg.log" and "cat /var/log/dpkg.log|grep \ installed" worked like a charm. thats what I was needing. Thanks :)
18:39<DrZaius>awal: :)
18:40<awal>somiaj: grep \ installed /var/log/dpkg.log or cating "cat /var/log/dpkg.log|grep \ installed does the job :P a shorter way :)
18:41<DrZaius>to be fair, he suggested to check out the logs as well :>
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18:43<somiaj>awal: the apt log gives the list of the whole batch of packages that were installed, but either work. (:
18:43<DrZaius>something happened to this channel... it used to be full of debian gurus... maybe they have moved to greener lands?
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18:44<DrZaius>or maybe i now know more and my questions are too hard? ]:>
18:44<awal>somiaj: right, just curious, for save time sometimes :)
18:44<somiaj>DrZaius: it depends on timing, how much work the actual server admins are doing if they are paying attention to irc.
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18:45<somiaj>DrZaius: sometimes you just get the hobbists. I nkow a lot about debian, but don't use it outsdie of a single computer, so more complicated things I'm clueless about.
18:45<awal>DrZaius: possible to get that log specifying day/hour ?
18:45<DrZaius>awal: grep it again with the day and hour you want
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18:46<somiaj>DrZaius: as for your sound issue, is it a matter of the sound cards switching order on boot?
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18:47<somiaj>awal: again if you use apt, the apt/history.log may give you better info, it gives me a Start-Date: Date Time, the command line, and the list of things it did, and then the End-Date: Date Time of each command ran though apt
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18:47<somiaj>sure the dpkg log has all this info, but it might give a lot more per package info that just what an apt command did
18:47<leonardo>DrZaius: I assume you have played with the audio_output in the configuration file?
18:47<DrZaius>somiaj: well, sound works in everything else... it is the first time i use mpd, so im not sure what to expect... but i tried using a local client and a client in another computer... no sound in either :(
18:48<somiaj>DrZaius: which computer is the server on?
18:48<awal>somiaj: ok :)
18:48<somiaj>DrZaius: sounds like a mpd config issue then.
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18:50<DrZaius>somiaj: I tried both a remote and a local client
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18:52<DrZaius>leonardo: i tried alsa and pa output :S
18:52<DrZaius>but no sound with either
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18:53<DrZaius>I dont really understand pulse audio :S
18:54<DrZaius>i wouldnt call uncomment the option playing with it, but yeah
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18:56<leonardo>Sorry, I dont use pulse audio, but can you try alsamixer F5 to see if the card number is the same as in the config?
18:57<leonardo>DrZaius: Sorry, it is F6
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18:58<DrZaius>leonardo: yeah, i think it is
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18:58<DrZaius>we can try to remove pa as well :)
18:59<DrZaius>i think is default in debian and it should work out of the box with the defaults... but whatever
18:59<DrZaius>do i just purge pulseaudio?
18:59<DrZaius>would that work?
19:00<DrZaius>its going to remove cinnamon-desktop-enviroment as well
19:00<hyd>okay, has anyone experienced Debian poltergeist? as in I'm running Debian 8.0, fully updated, with an Apache 2.4 and OpenSSH listening on a public IP
19:00<DrZaius>it seems to depend on pulse :)
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19:01<hyd>yet I'm getting random "cat /etc/release && echo "hello there"" in my console
19:01<hyd>other times it's something different
19:01<hyd>but it wants to communicate
19:02<hyd>I'm literally connected w/SSH and that shit appears at my bash shell
19:02<hyd>it's a VPS at OVH (OpenVZ)
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19:02<DrZaius>if i were a ghost and i had a son, i would try to talk to him via random echo messages on his vps for sure
19:02<hyd>I'm positive that it's not a trojan on a client Windows 8.1
19:03<hyd>since I have multiple shells and it only happens on OVH
19:03<DrZaius>hyd: who else had access to that machine? :P
19:04<hyd>Debian 8, everything is up to date, literally the only ports listening outside are 80 and 22
19:04<DrZaius>a simply w will tell you who else is connected
19:04<hyd>DrZaius: literally no-one.
19:04<hyd>it started happening on the second day I bought it
19:04<DrZaius>hyd: netstat should give you ports being used
19:05<DrZaius>also, theres been a major bug recently... but you 'hello there' sounds more like a prankster than a trojan
19:05<hyd>root@panda:~# netstat -nl |grep tcp tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:22 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN tcp6 0 0 :::80 :::* LISTEN tcp6 0 0 :::22 :::* LISTEN
19:06<di0x>sup
19:06<hyd>okay, how does a prankster inject random commands into my tty?
19:06<di0x>DrZaius, i finished ;)
19:06<di0x>same here but keyboard restored ;>
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19:08<hyd>please explain that
19:08<hyd>I'm not exactly a novice
19:08<hyd>I've been running Slackware 3.1 back in the days
19:08<hyd>been through the *nix sysadmin stage, professionally
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19:09<hyd>now it's a hobby VPS and I'm kinda stuck
19:09<DrZaius>hyd: well,
19:09<DrZaius>wall, its a way...
19:09<DrZaius>also, you can echo test into /dev/pts/whatever
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19:10<hyd>no suspicious activity in the logs, except for the usual bruteforcing
19:10<DrZaius>theres multiples ways to output text into a tty live... and a few more via some script
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19:11<hyd>I'm not even running a public website on that VPS
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19:11<DrZaius>try rkhunter or something of the like... but i would nuke the vps from orbit
19:11<Krakakanok>xD
19:11<Krakakanok>hyd any service ?
19:11<DrZaius>you can try running debsums
19:12<hyd>rkhunter is pretty much useless against anything sophisticated
19:12<DrZaius>thats why i would nuke it
19:12<hyd>Krakakanok: none. zero.
19:12<hyd>httpd shared with a friend or two.
19:13<hyd>sshd for myself.
19:13<DrZaius>hyd: rkhunter would detect the kind of stuff you are trying to look manually
19:13<Krakakanok>try clamav
19:13<hyd>DrZaius: true, but I fail to see how when the first thing I did was apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade && shutdown -r now
19:13<hyd>and running only OpenSSH
19:14<hyd>would somehow get me infected
19:14<DrZaius>hyd: we are hoping is just a prankster, since some trojan wouldnt say hello to you to the console
19:14<hyd>it even said "hello"
19:14<DrZaius>hyd: thers been a very big bug on vps providers recently
19:15<hyd>DrZaius: I'm aware of that, but I'm on OpenVZ
19:15<Krakakanok>weak pass ?
19:15<DrZaius>but it looks like a friend of you is pulling a prank on you tbh
19:15<hyd>not a weak password. no hint at the log files
19:15<hyd>either
19:15<DrZaius>openvz if anything make it easier to compromise the hosts
19:15<Krakakanok>is posible DrZaius
19:15<hyd>okay, if OVH was compromised, I'm pretty sure we'd all hear it by now
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19:16<hyd>it's a big-ass European VPS provider, just in case
19:17<DrZaius>i have a couple of domains with them ;)
19:17<hyd>prankster or not, I don't see a feasible way to literally paste random commands into my tty
19:18<DrZaius>well, run debsums
19:18<DrZaius>check the process you have open
19:18<DrZaius>list all the files and order them by time of modification
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19:18<hyd>I most certainly did check the processes
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19:18<hyd>although I wasn't aware of debsum. installing and running it now
19:18<DrZaius>auditd your terminal to see if some other process opens it
19:19<hyd>as in putty.exe?
19:19<DrZaius>as in putty.exe?
19:19<hyd>terminal is ambigous
19:20<hyd>as in how do you mean, audit my terminal
19:21<DrZaius>i mean terminal your pseudo tty allocated for ssh
19:21<DrZaius>try running this echo hola > $(tty)
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19:21<hyd>root@panda:~# debsums >/tmp/debsums.out
19:21<hyd>root@panda:~# grep -v OK /tmp/debsums.out root@panda:~#
19:21<hyd>I'm pretty sure I'm okay server-side
19:21<hyd>as well as client-side
19:22<hyd>hence the amazement
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19:22<DrZaius>as well as client-side?
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19:22<hyd>my Windows 8.1 desktop. the client.
19:23<DrZaius>leonardo is gone :( i got rid of pulseaudio already
19:23<DrZaius>oh oaky
19:23<DrZaius>so you are sure you are okay server-side and client-side...
19:23<DrZaius>one of those is not right
19:23<hyd>pretty much reasonably sure
19:24<DrZaius>well, if i had to put my finger on something, your windows client seems much easier to compromise
19:24<hyd>well let's speak theoreticals
19:24<DrZaius>and the type random things on your keyboard
19:24<hyd>both the client and the server are alright
19:24<hyd>what else is there? the virtualisation
19:24<hyd>on the ISP's side
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19:25<DrZaius>can you netstat on your windows machine to see who else is connected to your machine?
19:25<hyd>nothing random about that. "uname -a && cat /etc/release". while I have multiple SSH sessions open
19:25<hyd>only happened with the one and only. the OVH session
19:25<DrZaius>okay, and did you see those commands typed?
19:25<DrZaius>on screen? :>
19:25<hyd>unfortunately, no
19:26<DrZaius>can you scrollback to paste to us those outputs?
19:26<hyd>I was AFK all those times
19:27<hyd>nope, I can't scrollback since I had Putty restarted multiple times since that
19:27<hyd>another things of note
19:27<hyd>they appeared in the command shell alright
19:27<hyd>but they never got executed
19:27<hyd>as if the dude behind those lacked the "enter" key
19:28<hyd>so those are not in my .bash_history
19:28<DrZaius>well, my hunch is that somebody is pulling your leg... and the vps seems too new and without services running... i would say somebody has hacked your windows machine
19:28<hyd>I'm okay with somebody pulling my leg. only how exactly would they do it?
19:29<hyd>that would be my guess too
19:29<DrZaius>hyd as i said theres plenty of ways of not saving the commands runned on your bash history as well as only showing output on your terminals
19:29<DrZaius>well, who else has phisical access to your windows machine?
19:29<DrZaius>thats the weakest link
19:29<hyd>I know only too well how to escape .bash_history etc. I'm only saying none of the commands have been actually executed. they just appeared on my tty
19:30<hyd>my wife and two cats.
19:30<DrZaius>never invade rusia in winter and dont trust a cat
19:30<DrZaius>those are the rules i live my life by
19:31<hyd>needless to say, it's up to date with the latest patches; has been through two different full disk virus scans and I generally tend not to run random shit on my PC
19:31<DrZaius>if you really think is on the vps, just reinstall it
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19:32<hyd>it's behind the NAT, too
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19:32<hyd>I'm not like worried-worried. it's just I can't seem to place it
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19:32<hyd>and that kinda bugs me
19:33-!-sleser [~sleser@ool-1892fcef.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #debian
19:33<sleser>guys how do i save changes in grub ?
19:33<DrZaius>its very hard to tell...
19:33<sleser>it dosnt saves changes ive made
19:33<DrZaius>sleser: you mean how do you update /boot with your grub changes?
19:33<DrZaius>run update-grub
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19:33<sleser>where at
19:34<sleser>inside grub command ?
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19:34<DrZaius>sudo update-grub
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19:34<hyd>whoops.
19:34<hyd>web IRC sucks ass.
19:35<sleser>brb let me go see if it saved changes now
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19:35<wompa>hyd, it's probably the cats. Also, you can make PuTTY log all output to a file, using &Y etc the filenames get a nice date too.
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19:36<hyd>wompa: I can indeed, though honestly I fail to see how exactly that would help with localizing the problem at hand
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19:37<DrZaius>hyd: well, looking at the output of the prankster we could probably tell you more of the origin
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19:38<sleser>it didnt save changes
19:38<DrZaius>sleser: what did you changed?
19:38<sleser>i erased the word quiet of there
19:38<sleser>now i want it to be that way
19:38<hyd>DrZaius: "echo "hello there"" "cat /etc/issue && uname -a" we have a suspect yet?
19:39<hyd>though the fact that he felt the "echo" was needed is somewhat telling
19:39<hyd>or probably not
19:39<Krakakanok>bye
19:40<DrZaius>well, hyd thats what you remember, looking at the actualy output we might be able to identify some nuance ;)
19:40<hyd>but it seems like the culprit didn't have immediate server output
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19:42<hyd>DrZaius: don't mean to be rude, but I'm not exactly a stranger towards IT security, professionally, and the other 2 or 3 commands that I forgot to mention were of the same, shall we say, investigative kind. the "hello there" is puzzling though
19:43<DrZaius>hyd: well, by the way you are looking at the problem, you dont seem to know much about it either
19:43<hyd>guess I'll just launch iptables to log absolutely everything and hopefully we'll catch a 0-day
19:43<hyd>DrZaius: I'm at a loss, I'll be the first to admit it
19:44<DrZaius>hyd: your box is already compromised... i dont think you will catch a 0day that way
19:44<hyd>nope, I don't believe it is
19:44<DrZaius>but the attacker already is able to run random commands
19:44<hyd>unless it's actually a 0-day in OpenSSH
19:44<DrZaius>what else does it need to compromise you?
19:45<hyd>he's able to paste them to my tty, but in no instance did he run it
19:45<DrZaius>nuke the box from orbit is the only way to be sure
19:45<hyd>fuck that. I really have zero clue.
19:45<DrZaius>what do you think pasting to your tty mean?
19:46<hyd>a comprimise.
19:46<hyd>*compromise.
19:46<hyd>there's no arguing about that.
19:46<DrZaius>run tty on your terminal to know your pts
19:46<hyd>but what's puzzling me is that no commands, to my knowledge, have been ran
19:46<DrZaius>then echo "hello there" > and the /dev/ output from the tty command
19:47<hyd>it's like they actually lack the ^M
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19:48<hyd>echo hello there > where and to what purpose?
19:48<DrZaius>its pretty unlikely they compromised your where you are not running much (i hope that by much you dont mean php)
19:49<DrZaius>so the compromised likely happened on your laptop
19:49<hyd>OpenSSH_6.7p1 Debian-5, OpenSSL 1.0.1k 8 Jan 2015
19:49<DrZaius>tell me the output of running $tty
19:49<hyd>apache 2.4 pretty much barebone
19:50<DrZaius>are you serving static pages? or some php?
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19:50<hyd>at the moment I wasn't even running httpd
19:50<DrZaius>so there you have it... its your laptop
19:50<DrZaius>i was 80% sure before... im more like 99% sure now
19:50<hyd>it's a desktop, but still I'm very reluctant
19:51<hyd>I was running multiple SSH sessions. to different servers
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19:51<hyd>it happened on 3 separate occasions
19:51<DrZaius>why? theres 100 ways to compromise a vps... theres 1M ways to compromise your windows desktop
19:51<hyd>only with the OVH one
19:52<hyd>that doesn't make much sense
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19:52<hyd>considering that's a very clumsy way to go about owning a win8.1 desktop
19:52<hyd>echo "hello there" without as much as an enter? cat /etc/issue? come on
19:53<DrZaius>so you suggest somebody used a 0day on your ssh server
19:53<hyd>those seem like something out of a shellshock scanner
19:53<hyd>I'm not suggesting anything. I'm trying to rule out the improbable
19:54<DrZaius>in anycase... nuke it from orbit...
19:54<DrZaius>shit happens
19:54<hyd>tolda ya, I'm at a loss
19:54<DrZaius>draw more conclusions from the next time that happens
19:54<hyd>well it hasn't happened for 4 days in a row
19:55<wompa>Using a 0day just to type hello to someone... I don't know... who would both have knowledge and time to do just that?
19:55<hyd>I'll leave the SSH session running overnight, see what happens
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19:55<hyd>wompa: yep, I fail to see any reasoning behind this
19:56<hyd>they even ran "date"
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19:56<hyd>so they were able to execute
19:56<hyd>wait, they were
19:57<DrZaius>hyd: if the attacker was clumsy enough... try to list all the files ordered by type of modification or access...maybe you find something :P
19:57<hyd>but for some reason they deliberately didn't
19:57<DrZaius>since it seems to you want to pull out a full investigaion
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19:57<wompa>Me neither. But maybe there are some out there running a 0day exploit not necessarily only for the monetary value that one might find.
19:57<hyd>I'll do a comprehensive "find"
19:57<n>xfce power manager used to suspend to ram just before the battery would die, but now since upgrading to jesse, it doesn't do that instead it lets the battery die and the system powers completely off, so when I plugin I have to restart and I lost my data
19:58<hyd>see that's not a production server, neither it's inside my network or anything. I'm more genuinely curious than anything
19:59<hyd>I grep'd everything around the time they executed 'date' and didn't see anything of note
19:59<n>or maybe is was some other power manager cause I don't see such options in the xfce power manager settings
19:59<hyd>except for the automated scanners
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19:59<DrZaius>n: xfce4-power-manager?
20:00<n>Dr-Shadow, yes
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20:00<hyd>that's what you get for running a linux desktop
20:00<DrZaius>i think theres some setting to tell what to do when it reach a critical level
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20:01<n>DrZaius, yes you are correct, yep, it is there, hopefully it works next time, last time it didn't for some reason
20:03<DrZaius>what do you know... i removed pulseaudio, restarted and mpd client works now
20:03<hyd>DrZaius: is your OVH Debian by any chance in Strasbourg?
20:03<DrZaius>freaking pulseaudio
20:03<DrZaius>i dont use ovh vps... just a couple of domains and a base webserver
20:04<hyd>I see, I was just looking for the better mirrors
20:04<Brigo>DrZaius, was you trying ton configure mpd?
20:04<DrZaius>Brigo: yes
20:05<DrZaius>it doesnt seem to work with pulse audio or soemthing :/
20:05<Brigo>you need a explicity configuration for pulseaudio, there is a example in the config file.
20:05<DrZaius>but it was the first time i tried to run it so i didnt know what to expect
20:05<Brigo>or you can uninstall pulseaudio, of course :)
20:05<DrZaius>i tried to uncomment the pulse audio lines, but it didnt work
20:05<DrZaius> :S
20:06<Brigo>mpd can use multiple outputs, as network output or http.
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20:06<DrZaius>also, if pulseaudio is default in debian, shouldnt mpd being configured to use it by default?
20:06<Brigo>DrZaius, fill a bug report :)
20:06<DrZaius>Brigo: i tried both a client in another computer and a local client
20:07<DrZaius>Brigo: yes sure, i just try to make sure i understand how it works :>
20:07<hyd>so I take it neither OSS or ALSA are a thing anymore
20:07<DrZaius>hyd: pulseaudio rest on top of alsa
20:07<DrZaius>afaik
20:08<hyd>DrZaius: what I do remember is that it used to support my Gravis Ultrasound
20:08<hyd>also my Gravis Ultrasound MAX
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20:09<hyd>OSS didn't
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20:09<DrZaius>find Music|wc -l returns 30487 files... but the client only reports 7520 songs. Telling it to refresh does not seem to do anything
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20:11<hyd>why store music locally? google music is totally the shit
20:11<hyd>unless you're one of those .flac guys
20:12<Brigo>DrZaius, wrong file format?
20:12<wompa>DrZaius, no read only dirs?
20:14<hyd>You can add up to 50,000 songs to Google Play Music from your personal music collection using Google Play Music for Chrome or Music Manager (up to 300MB per song)
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20:14<hyd>let's face it, no-one needs more than 50k songs at 300mb per song
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20:15<DrZaius>hyd: im more of having my local music in my Music directory kind of guy
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20:15<DrZaius>i would share my music with you during the nuclear winter
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20:16<hyd>DrZaius: I understand the sentiment as a guy who used to burn countless CD's but I went Google Music back in, what, 2009 or something, and it's still there
20:17<hyd>works everywhere, too
20:17<wompa>Dirs need to have executable right for "others" and read for files so mpd can read them
20:17<DrZaius>I admit that 6 years is a new record for google not shuting down a service
20:17<hyd>well, it's no Wave
20:17<hyd>a lot of people invested
20:17<hyd>can't just outright shut it down
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20:18<DrZaius>wompa: rigth... I have to change the group of all my music
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20:20<hyd>okay, I'm leaving the SSH session open overnight. gonna catch some mean 0days
20:20<hyd>prolly not.
20:20<DrZaius>even if you did, you wouldnt be able to tell
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20:21<hyd>I would if I actually bothered to set up those firewall logging rules
20:22<hyd>and ran a tcpdump
20:22<wompa>DrZaius, I guess that could work too, but to which group?
20:22<hyd>and whatever.
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20:22<DrZaius>wompa: there is really no good way... and even less so because I try to keep my ~ with o=
20:22<hyd>but frankly I've had one too many zubrowkas, so off with me.
20:23<DrZaius>so I added g=x for ~/ and changed the group to audio
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20:24<wompa>and you run mpd with audio group?
20:24<DrZaius>so I have some files with o=rx in Music and thats why it was working with some of the files
20:24<wompa>or is it run as the audio group, rather
20:24<DrZaius>yeah, thats the default conf
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20:25<wompa>ah
20:26<DrZaius>its quite a weird setup... but its better than having your ~ with o=rx as it is by default
20:28<wompa>yeah, I put my music outside of /home though
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20:28<DrZaius>that would had been a better call of course... but my ~ is a separate partition
20:29<DrZaius>where the space is :/
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20:30<DrZaius>i should totally make a parition on the other disk 162Gb is not that much :)
20:30<DrZaius>well, anyway, im off to bed... thanks Brigo and wompa
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20:30<Brigo>DrZaius, yw :)
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20:40<somiaj>DrZaius: those are clients, you need to run a server first
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21:12<sacary>hola plasta de mierda
21:12<sacary>que tal
21:13<sacary>hola diogo_
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21:13<sacary>hola
21:15<sacary>oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
21:15<sacary>hola debhelper
21:16<somiaj>!es
21:16<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
21:17<somiaj>sacary: this is a channel for support in english, but there are spanish speaking channels.
21:17<sacary>no estyendo un coño
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21:19<sacary>hello
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21:35<sacary>oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
21:36<sacary>JOPIN
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21:40<awal>will iceweasel 38 be in jessie after a few days in sid and stretch?
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21:41<awal>as now knew packs enter stable and dont know how iceweasel is handled
21:41<somiaj>awal: newer versions of icewasel will be brought in only via security issues, so as long as there are no major CVEs on the current icewasel version it probabaly won't be changed.
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21:42<awal>somiaj: ok. so newer version as 38 will stop in stretch?
21:42<somiaj>awal: I belive version 38 is going to be the new esr, and that won't be used in jessie until the old esr is no longer supported.
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21:42<awal>somiaj: ok, ok. understood now. thanks
21:42<somiaj>awal: because stable uses the esr version for security support. I expect that it will be a few months before the current esr in stable is replaced by the new ers which I belive is going to be version 38
21:43<somiaj>awal: if you need something newer in jessie, check out mozilla.debian.net, sometimes they provide the newer versions via backports.
21:44<awal>somiaj: ok, thanks. I just wanna try 'firefox hello' feature then remove skype and similar apps. thanks for the infos
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21:55<sacary>hla
21:55<sacary>hola
21:58<somiaj>sacary: as I said eariler this is an english chanel, do you speak spanish? espanol?
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22:01<wgaf>hey
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22:01<wgaf>i did a minimal install
22:01<wgaf>using netinst iso
22:02<wgaf>and now after: apt-get install xfce4
22:02<wgaf>when doing: startx, it doesnt work. it says that there are no runing screens
22:02<josi>-chanserv- hello very guiun
22:02<josi>faquiu
22:03<josi>hello proded
22:03<wgaf>anyone can help?
22:03<josi>anyone can help?
22:04<josi>veri mguiu
22:05<somiaj>wgaf: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log, maybe there is an error finding the correct driver for your gpu
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22:06<wgaf>thanks
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22:07<josi>you man
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22:08<somiaj>josi: if you don't have a support question and are just noise, can you please take it elsewhere.
22:08<josi>éi
22:08<josi>somiaj: éi
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22:12<josi>somiaj: yoauar
22:12<josi>somiaj: yoauar man
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22:24<fernando_>Alguien que hable español?
22:25<fernando_>Tengo un problema
22:25<fernando_>:(
22:26<somiaj>!es
22:26<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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22:27<fernando_>thanks!
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23:10<acald3ron>i found the solution: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDirectoryPHP
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23:47<Nad>IDENTIFY
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