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00:00<megamanx1978>Purge would be mark for complete removal in synaptic right?
00:02<somiaj>unsure, since i dno't use synaptic, but there should be remove and then something else, complete removal could be it
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00:04<megamanx1978>I will reboot and be right back hopefully if I didn't just break my system lol
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00:13<beast>whats a good way to get the stylus to work on a 14.04 kubuntu install, my laptop uses the wacom-tools package but it's no longer available :(
00:13<somiaj>beast: first go ask kubuntu support, you are in a debian support room.
00:14<beast>okay :)
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00:17<megamanx1978>somiaj Are you still there?
00:17<somiaj>megamanx1978: did it work?
00:19<megamanx1978>Yes I just rebooted my system, It did not blow up and I don't see that error anymore Thank you
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00:21<somiaj>megamanx1978: good (:
00:22<megamanx1978>Just curious if you don't use synaptic what package manager do you use?
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00:23<somiaj>megamanx1978: I do everything from the command line, so a mix between dpkg, apt-get and aptitude (usually apt-get and dpkg depending on the need, aptitude if I need something with more powerful search tools)
00:24<megamanx1978>Know any good commands to search packages in the terminal?
00:25<somiaj>megamanx1978: aptitude search is really powerful, apt-cache search is what i use first.
00:25<somiaj>apt-file if I need to search for files inside of packages.
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00:27<megamanx1978>aptitude apt-cache search?
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00:29<somiaj>megamanx1978: no aptitude and apt-cache are differnt (apt-cache is part of apt)
00:29<somiaj>megamanx1978: so apt-cache search 'string', this seaches both package names and descriptions.
00:30<somiaj>megamanx1978: aptitude search 'string' works too, this only searches package names, but you can configure it to search tons of things, it is very powerful and one fo the reason I will use aptitude. But for a quick search I do apt-cache search
00:30<somiaj>megamanx1978: sometimes apt-cache --names-only search 'string' is helpful if you get to many results due to searching package descirptions
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00:37<megamanx1978>So you do everything from a command line?
00:37<somiaj>megamanx1978: most stuff, right now I have 5 xterms open and a webbrowser and that is it
00:38<somiaj>I even play my videos and music from the command line with mplayer, though I really need to upgrade that.
00:38<somiaj>actually might be using mplayer2 now, not really sure.
00:38<megamanx1978>Have you tried elinks?
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00:39<somiaj>I have used lynx and links2, they come in handy sometimes, but most of what I do in my browser needs images, javascript and the likes
00:39<somiaj>unforntally I have to work with software that uses flash
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00:40<somiaj>megamanx1978: anyways we are drifting off-topic, we try to keep it on debian support
00:43<megamanx1978>Just trying to learn a few things in case I ever lose my gui
00:43<somiaj>megamanx1978: I use to use lynx for just that reason, then I got a laptop for work. Now if I loose a gui on one machien I use the other to look things up
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00:46<megamanx1978>I don't know why but smxi always seems to break my video drivers and causes that to happen
00:47<somiaj>I run sid, and xorg is one of the things that breaks every so often. Makes you get use to fixing things from the cli
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00:49<megamanx1978>I am using LMDE (Linux Mint Debian Edition) which is based on debian stable
00:49<somiaj>megamanx1978: then what are you doing here?
00:49<somiaj>!mint
00:49<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
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00:50<somiaj>megamanx1978: we don't support debian based disto's including mint, yes it is based on debian, but this is a support channel for pure debian (for both social and techonlogloical reasons)
00:50<himanshu>Brigo: Hello
00:54<megamanx1978>No one on mint channel most of the time who can help with LMDE and LMDE is so close to debian that the only difference between the two is a few extra packages
00:54<megamanx1978>And what you told me did work
00:55<megamanx1978>Now if this was Ubuntu that would make sense
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00:58<megamanx1978>What is the difference between debian sid and experimental?
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00:58<somiaj>megamanx1978: the issue is not that there isn't similarities is that the differerences are sometimes causing the problem. We tell you 'this should work', you say 'no it did not', and only comes to light after a long discussion the reason our sugestion didn't work was because of these slight differences. (this is the technical reason)
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00:59<somiaj>megamanx1978: the other is a social reason. We are volunteers who want to support debian (not its derivatives) and as such we choose to only support people running debian proper. part of what you get when you choose a distro is its support community.
01:00<somiaj>megamanx1978: so we just have a policy, based on debian is not supported here for a combination of the reasons.
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01:02<megamanx1978>So you are saying if mint channels cant help with LMDE don't bother trying to get help and be sol?
01:03<somiaj>megamanx1978: there are people who just support linux in general, ##linux on irc.freenode.net is a general support channel.
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01:05<somiaj>megamanx1978: my suggestion is just use debian, we have a better support community. (:
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01:06<enigma>:P
01:06<himanshu>updated to Jessie from wheezy
01:07<somiaj>himanshu: welcome to the future, how does it feel?
01:07<himanshu>feel like it is slow at time of boot
01:07<megamanx1978>I think more people would try linux if upstream and downstream was more friendly and helpful with each other
01:07<himanshu>and hangs regularly
01:07<himanshu>do not know if I have updated correct
01:08<somiaj>himanshu: hmm, are you use systemd, did you read the relase notes. My expreince is jessie boots way faster (though I also got a ssd which helps)
01:08<enigma>linux is great it just involves more which is bad for some people err there brains
01:08<catch22>yeah
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01:09<himanshu>somiaj: yes I did read the release notes.Peformed updates on wheezy then changed the source list and update it to Jessie
01:09<himanshu>but I feel it is not very well installed?
01:10<himanshu>Im a newbie in linux
01:10<somiaj>himanshu: well best is to try to identify an issue and work on fixign that.
01:10<somiaj>himanshu: you did run a 'dist-upgrade' right, and not just an upgrade?
01:11<himanshu>yes I did
01:12<himanshu>there are many problems.. I can connect to the wifi network and it shows connected with the signal indicator
01:12<somiaj>himanshu: well we problably need somre more details over 'boots slowly and hangs sometimes'. Might want to chagne the boot from 'quiet' so it givesy ou lots of output and you can see where it is hanging.
01:12<himanshu>but does not runs the internet
01:12<somiaj>himanshu: well there is a starting point. What do you use to manage your network? network-manager?
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01:21<himanshu>sorry it just hanged again and I had to hard reboot
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01:22<himanshu>somiaj:I have not installed a network manager explicitly below the battery indicator on top right there is a WIFI indicator
01:22<himanshu>which helps connecting to the internet
01:22<somiaj>himanshu: something seems off. can you paste the output of 'dmesg' at paste.debian.net
01:22<somiaj>himanshu: which ismost likley network-manager and was installed by your desktop
01:22<himanshu>yea it came by default just like in wheezy
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01:24<himanshu>I did an iwconfig and it was showing me the lan name correct
01:24<himanshu>demsg I need to run after connecting to wifi?
01:26<somiaj>himanshu: no dmesg is just standard kernel messages, I just want to browse it. random lockups shouldn't be happening unless you have buggy hardware drivers or actually bad hardawre. I was just going to look at it to see if nay errors struck me as important.
01:26<himanshu>I was wondering if I have installed unstable version of Jessie instead of the stable one..I have heard there were two of them
01:26<somiaj>himanshu: type dmesg in a terminal, you will see tons of output. you can dmesg > filename.text and put the output in a filename tne upload it to paste.debian.net
01:27<somiaj>himanshu: no, jessie is stable. there are multiple version of debian, but jessie is now stable.
01:27<madrik>Should I wait for the first point release?
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01:29<himanshu>http://paste.debian.net/178666/
01:29<himanshu>here is demsg output
01:29<geodude>What version of SFTP does OpenSSH support in Wheezy and Jessie?
01:29<somiaj>madrik: personal choice, jessie works just fine for me. Always during the lrease people not as experienced with debian run into issues and just need to track them down.
01:29<somiaj>,v openssl
01:29<judd>Package: openssl on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.9.8o-4squeeze14; squeeze-security: 0.9.8o-4squeeze14; squeeze-security-lts: 0.9.8o-4squeeze20; wheezy: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u13; wheezy-proposed-updates: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u16; wheezy-security: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u16; jessie: 1.0.1k-3; sid: 1.0.2a-1; stretch: 1.0.2a-1
01:29<somiaj>geodude: there are the openssl verions used in the various version fo debian
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01:30<madrik>somiaj: thanks.
01:31<himanshu>somiaj: I did not extract it to file
01:32<himanshu>somiaj:attached as file here
01:32<himanshu>http://paste.debian.net/178668/
01:32<somiaj>himanshu: eitehr way, the first was fine, don't see anything obvious, just figured I'd check
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01:35<himanshu>somiaj:I was actually trying to install VLC player in my wheezy when it prompted for system update..I proceeded but got a mix of wheezy and jessie because my sources.list had "stable"
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01:35<somiaj>himanshu: yea that is why we don't use stable. But you changed it to jessie and are fully upgarded to jessie. So now I'm just looking at things.
01:35<himanshu>I then perform apt-get update,apt-get upgrade, dist-upgrade on wheezy
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01:36<somiaj>himanshu: lets get back to your wifi issue.
01:36<somiaj>himanshu: do you mind pasting the output of 'ifconfig wlan0' and 'iwconfig wlan0'
01:36<himanshu>somiaj:ok I was just thinking if there could still be some problem in these steps on how I got to Jessie
01:36<himanshu>just a second
01:37<somiaj>himanshu: provided you are fully upgraded, it might just be an issue with config or something else.
01:37<somiaj>himanshu: I'm am seeing some weird lags in your dmesg and doing some reasearch but so far nothing telling me what the major problem is.
01:37<somiaj>himanshu: the randomlockups concern me, if it was a well functioning system I would say you have bad memeory
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01:38<himanshu>wheezy was smooth on this
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01:40<himanshu>I have a new system with a good configuration
01:40<himanshu>somiaj: ifconfig and iwconfig are here http://paste.debian.net/178669/
01:41<somiaj>himanshu: that just says your network is not configured and assoicated with any ap. (well wireless).
01:41<himanshu>in wheezy I did not had hanging and wifi problem
01:41<himanshu>yea I have removed wireless and using wired lan because wifi doesnt work
01:42<himanshu>ill do it in a moment
01:42<somiaj>himanshu: well when you bring your wifi up, try the following from a terminal.
01:42<somiaj>himanshu: run those commands make sure you have an ip and are assoicated with your ap
01:42<himanshu>yea it was there last time I checked
01:42<himanshu>will get back to you with result
01:42<somiaj>himanshu: after that you shoulud ping <your ip>, ping <your gateway>, the ping 8.8.8.8 then ping google.com
01:43<somiaj>himanshu: let me know which of those fails
01:43<himanshu>thanks for your time somiaj :)
01:43<himanshu>ok
01:43<himanshu>ill try this
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01:47<somiaj>himanshu: well my reasearch and looking at your demsg I think the issue is acpi drivers. There is some conflicts with your system, and this can effect wifi and maybe cause random lockups. Not sure the best fix for this.
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01:55<himanshu>somiaj: config values are here http://paste.debian.net/178675/
01:55<himanshu>I was able to ping to my IP and got the response back
01:56<himanshu>but there was no response for google.com or 8.8.8.8
01:56<somiaj>himanshu: what babout your gateway (usally your ip with a 1 at the end)
01:56<somiaj>himanshu: anyways I think the issue is with your acpi, not sure the best way to fix this. Can you configure various acpi modes in your bios?
01:57<himanshu>Im not sure what is that
01:57<himanshu>I did not find the gateways IP
01:59<somiaj>gateway ip is usually the ip of your router which is usually the ip with a .1 at the end (rest is the same)
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02:00<himanshu>also a reboot is required each time when wire is inserted in LAN slot
02:00<himanshu>it doesnt runs at that time but only after reboot
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02:02<somiaj>himanshu: it shouldn't be, you can open up network manager and change the device it is using. But again I think acpi is your issue, but not sure the best way to fix it
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02:02<himanshu>are you sure it is not the issue while upgrading to jessie?
02:04<somiaj>himanshu: it is an issue with the kernel in jessie and how it works with your acpi on your bios
02:04<somiaj>himanshu: do you still have the 3.2 kernel from wheezy installed/
02:04<somiaj>himanshu: most likley you do, try to boot up off of that, see if things just work.
02:05<somiaj>himanshu: but from what I saw in dmesg and searching on google, seems that the kernel isn't working with your acpi correctly which I thik is where the problem lays. but as I said i'm unsure the best fix for this
02:07<somiaj>himanshu: dpkg -l | grep acpi (what acpi packages do you have installed?)
02:08<himanshu>I did uname - r and got this 3.16.0-4-686-pae
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02:09<somiaj>himanshu: yes i saw that in your dmesg.
02:09<himanshu>http://paste.debian.net/178681/
02:09<himanshu>this is dpkg-l | grep
02:09<himanshu>Kernel is fine then?
02:10<somiaj>himanshu: I see. Anyways, the kernel is fine. I'm to tired to debug this anymore
02:10<himanshu>somiaj: thanks for your time
02:10<himanshu>:)
02:10<somiaj>my best guess (that is all it is) is there is some conflict with the acpi on your system, and the wifi is just a side effect
02:10<himanshu>ok
02:10<somiaj>not sure the best fix as I have said. Not sure if you can go into your bios and configure your acpi to be some legacy mode or there is a config option to get it to work better.
02:11<somiaj>but you have a lot of warnings in your dmesg about acpi and google hits seem to confirm my suspition.
02:11<somiaj>as I said, you should be able to boot up off the old 3.2 kernel from wheezy just to see if it is an issue with the newer 3.16 kernel and how it deals with acpi. This is not a fix, but at least confirms my supscion it is something with how the newer linux kernel in jessie is dealing with acpi and your paticular system.
02:12<himanshu>ok
02:12<himanshu>thanks
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02:38<himanshu>can I re install Jessie?
02:38<himanshu>if that helps
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03:00<iamrohit7>can anyone compile gnome-shell on debian 8?
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03:46<Adrian>Hello?
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04:07<Guest5476>hi
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04:33<tuv>anyone tried debian on asus ux305 laptop? trying to decide between the ux305 and the dell xps 13 2015, which appears to have evolving-but-not-quite-there-yet linux support (https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Dell/Dell%20XPS%2013%209343)
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04:53<KilatBiru>hello evryone
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05:07<joey_>Hi
05:07<joey_>I have a problem with my debian 8
05:11<bzed>!ask
05:11<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
05:12<joey_>!ask
05:12<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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05:13<joey_>I have a problem with Debian 8 running XFCE where when I shut down my computer it doesn't finish doing so, I have to force it with the I/O button.
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05:22<joey_>So really, it doesn't shut down...
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05:33<musca>joey_: is it a fresh install of jessie or did you dist-upgrade from wheezy?
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05:48<joey_>@musca it is a fresh install
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06:03<guav>Hi guys. I am trying to install programs that need python qt4 to work, but when I try to install it gives me quite some error ( http://pastebin.com/ubLnG1AU )
06:05<SynrG>!bat
06:05<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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06:06<bzed>guav: whatever you are running there, it is neither debian stable nor oldstable nor old-oldstable.
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06:07<joey_>I have a problem with Debian 8 running XFCE where when I shut down my computer it doesn't finish doing so, I have to force it with the I/O button.
06:08<guav>bzed, I'm running debian wheezy here. And sorry for the wrong pastebin, here is the output of the cache policy https://paste.debian.net/178782/
06:09<SynrG>guav: that paste is incomplete. reread the above factoid, please.
06:09<SynrG>guav: you missed: and "apt-cache policy"
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06:10<guav>SynrG: I just pasted it, wasn't it this? https://paste.debian.net/178782/
06:11<bzed>guav: no. apt-cache policy. without any arguments.
06:11<SynrG>giving me the URL a second time doesn't make it right
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06:11<SynrG>^
06:12<bzed>guav: and don't strip parts from the output. I'm almost sure yout last paste shows only half of the output.
06:13<guav>Ah, sorryI'm sorry, I thought you've maybe overseen it. Here it is https://paste.debian.net/178790/
06:13<bzed>guav: 500 http://liveusb.info/multisystem/depot/ all/main i386 Packages
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06:13<bzed>guav: there is your problem. don't make a mess out of your debian by adding random broken sources.
06:14<bzed>guav: 500 http://apt.dyne.org/debian/ dyne/main i386 Packages
06:14<bzed>guav: same shit.
06:14<bzed>guav: you want to reinstall your system, don't add such crap and then use packages from debian.
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06:15<SynrG>2011???
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06:15<SynrG>ah, that's just the top dir
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06:17<bzed>guav: so I guess one of your broken apt repositories provides an old old version of qt4 and some installed program requires it, or something like that.
06:18<SynrG>as for multisystem, see #632867 ... I guess if you want that, you should build from source
06:18<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/632867 in wnpp (open): «RFP: multisystem -- tool to help creating multiboot USB drive»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2011-07-06; last modified: 2011-07-06.
06:19<guav>Oh, right, I wasn't aware of such bug
06:19<guav>I'll remove it and try again
06:19<SynrG>dunno what dyne is
06:20<guav>dyne.org, they are some guys from Italy, don't think they'd mess around with the packages
06:20<SynrG>guav: mediatomb is in debian
06:20<SynrG>,v mediatomb
06:20<judd>Package: mediatomb on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.12.0~svn2018-6.1; wheezy: 0.12.1-4; sid: 0.12.1-7; jessie-multimedia: 0.12.1-dmo4; sid-multimedia: 0.12.1-dmo4
06:20<SynrG>dunno why you'd want dyne's version
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06:21<SynrG>if that's what 'tomb' is
06:21<guav>SynrG: is just a similar name, those are very different things =)
06:21<SynrG>ah, it's something else. ok
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06:22<SynrG>again, build from source
06:22<SynrG>and see #611660
06:22<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/611660 in wnpp (open): «RFP: tomb -- crypto undertaker»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2011-01-31; last modified: 2013-08-17.
06:24<SynrG>i don't see anything in tomb's dsc that would cause this issue
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06:26<guav>judd: thanks for the link, but I think tomb does not useneither python or qt, so I guess is another problem. Good to know though =)
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06:26<guav>I purged multisystem, removed repository, updated, autoremoved, same error
06:26<SynrG>and i couldn't find multisystem's source
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06:28<guav>I'm looking for it too
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06:28<SynrG>guav: the thing about mixing software from third-party sources is, even if you remove apt sources, if you still have software from third parties on your system, their deps could conflict with new software you want from debian
06:30<guav>SynrG: no way to hand remove them or find them? Best to reinstall the system?
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06:32<SynrG>guav: you can try various solutions with apt-get -f install and specific packages involved in the conflict until apt tells you what's ultimately blocking the install
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06:34<SynrG>guav: it is likely you have a package that depends on older qt4 installed. installation of the new one would force the removal of old
06:34<SynrG>i couldn't find multisystem's source so i don't know what it depends on
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06:35<SynrG>is that the only third party thing other than tomb that you have on your system?
06:35<SynrG>what are multisystem's dependencies?
06:36<guav>SynrG: I have several errors in my install -f https://paste.debian.net/178810/
06:36<SynrG>elilo: /dev/sdd2: No such file or directory
06:36<SynrG>fix that
06:37<SynrG>i don't know elilo, so i can't help with that
06:37<guav>SynrG: I have conky, I think is third part. Other than that just tomb. I purged multisystem.
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06:38<SynrG>it's probably conky, then. why don't you use debian's version?
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06:39<guav>I remember vrms saying it was a third part software, but I'm not sure about that since it is updated with the offical repo
06:39<marcx>hey there. anybody using trinity de? how can i get a battery monitor?
06:39<SynrG>although ... i didn't think conky itself was a qt app ...
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06:40<SynrG>guav: anyway, no point speculating. fix your system so 'apt-get -f install' works
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06:41<guav>SynrG: yes, I'll do my best 'til I have an errorless install -f !
06:41<SynrG>marcx: errr ... not debian software?
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06:41<SynrG>marcx: you're in the debian support channel. we can't help with that
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06:42<marcx>well, i'm using jessie with tde on top... thought this would be the place ;)
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06:42<SynrG>!frankendebian
06:42<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
06:42<SynrG>marcx: sorry, no. i recommend you choose a supported DE if you want to get support here
06:42<anonymous>hi
06:43<marcx>alrighty, thx anyway
06:43<anonymous>how are you
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06:43<SynrG>anonymous: do you have a debian support question?
06:43<lexx>hey as hole
06:43<lexx>who the fuck you think you are
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06:46<guav>done, removed elilo and no errors now. Still same error
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06:49<SynrG>then you proceed to trying to apt-get -f install specific packages involved in the conflict. see if apt ultimately tells you what blocks it
06:49<SynrG>or you could try switching resolvers. see what aptitude thinks would solve it
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06:50<SynrG>guav: i'm heading out. good luck
06:50<ruslanas>hi team
06:51<ruslanas>I have upgraded from wheezy to jessie, some days ago.
06:51<ruslanas>and I see quite big CPU utilisation on systemd processes.
06:52<guav>SynrG: thanks a lot, I appreciated your help. Have a nice day =)
06:52<ruslanas>I am not using SWAP.
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06:52<ruslanas>big tilization = systemd-usdev = 60% of CPU core
06:52<ruslanas>systemd-journald 53% CPU core.
06:53<ruslanas>systemd-udevd 26% of a core.
06:53<ruslanas>network manager, dbus, rsyslogd - all around 10% of CPU core.
06:54<ruslanas>overall I have 4 CPU cores.
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06:54<ruslanas>what info should I provide for deeper investigation>
06:55<ruslanas>also a small guess, that everything thatt works with FS might be slow, I will do some checks there, but maybe other ideas?
06:56<ruslanas>FS = XFS
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06:56<ruslanas>on root, and btrfs with compression onother partition, but CPU usage was the same, even when btrfs is not mounted
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07:03<ruslanas>enabled sar, will have more data later.
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07:46<safinaskar>how to record computer playback on jessie (jessie is using pulseaudio)?
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07:54<gryps>i need a permanently open ssh session (for some monitoring stuff) but the other side logs me out if no input is received for a certain time
07:54<gryps>is there a wrapper around ssh, which either sends a character (e.g. a space sign) every x minutes, or which immediatly re-logins getting the password out of a file?
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07:56<AberHatschi>safinaskar, take a look to audacity
07:57<AberHatschi>gryps, take look in you config
07:58<gryps>AberHatschi: what's you?
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07:59<towo`>gryps, use mosh
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08:00<gryps>towo`: initially thought about that, but i can't do any modifications on the remote side
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08:00<gryps>towo`: the remote side is a proprietary system, so i need an ssh wrapper
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08:03<gryps>or to be more precise: the remote side is a serial console server, i need to have the ssh session open to log what the debian machine attached via serial console is printing out
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08:03<gryps>the debian machine regularly crashes, i have no physical access, so this console server is basically the only way i could capture what the kernel is printing out before crashing
08:04<gryps>but unfortunately, it logs me out after some minutes of inactivity, so i need some way of having the ssh client regularly send a keypress to the remote side
08:05<Brigo>gryps, in the ssh_config there is a interesting option: TCPKeepAlive
08:05<gryps>Brigo: been there, done that
08:06<gryps>Brigo: also tried ServerAliveInterval
08:06<Brigo>gryps, may be not for serial console.
08:06<gryps>Brigo: they console server expects to receive a real keypress
08:08<gryps>and i think somehow it must be possible that an ssh client simulates that someone is there and typing
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08:11<lakshmikanth>how to open terminal in shortcut
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08:13<orjan_>Hi, just installed jessie/lxdm, made new session for xmonad. Now .xsession isn't sourced. xsession runs fine from cli, what to check?
08:13<orjan_>hmm who runs .xsesion, what rights should it have?
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08:17<orjan_>gryps: maybee mosh could be an alternative
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08:20<iamrohit7>my isp uses an authentication mechanism, a java servlet and i am required to login everytime i want to connect to the internet using a web browser how do i automate this when i turn on the computer?
08:25<gryps>orjan_: thought about that, but as i typed before, the prerequisites on the server (the udp sockets) cant be fulfilled
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08:26<AberHatschi>iamrohit7, you have the answer in your question
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08:28<AberHatschi>iamrohit7, login with chrome save the login data in chrome and make this page as favorit in your chrome and as default startpage
08:30<iamrohit7>AberHatschi: when i dont have a gui
08:31<iamrohit7>i know i could use a home page set to it instead
08:32<safinaskar>AberHatschi: i want some unix-way solution. something like arecord > a.wav
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08:42<orjan_>gryps: xdotool can be used to fake key input
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08:43<orjan_>gryps: if you need it done in an X env
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08:46<safinaskar>AberHatschi: this instruction http://manual.audacityteam.org/o/man/tutorial_recording_computer_playback_on_linux.html works
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08:47<AberHatschi>safinaskar , ok
08:50<joey_>Does anyone have an idea of the problem I have ?
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08:52<devil>joey_: checked bugreports?
08:52<musca>joey_: how do shut down your computer?
08:53<joey_>with the log out prompt or shut down button from the xfce panel
08:53<joey_>it all does the same
08:53<joey_>it just hangs at the end
08:53<musca>"halt" has changed its meaning
08:53<joey_>?
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08:54<AberHatschi>maybe powermanagment in bios ??
08:54<joey_>uuuhhh
08:55<joey_>?
08:55<musca>instead off "halt" use the "poweroff" command.
08:55<joey_>but i dont use commands
08:55<joey_>i use xfce
08:55<joey_>to shut it down
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08:59<Krakakanok>i use poweroff too
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09:02<joey_>so i should shut it down with my terminal instead ?
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09:02<joey_>it still weird that xfce doesn't shut down properly
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09:41<joey_>ok so poweroff is what I am using and it hangs at the end
09:41<joey_>and leaves me with a black screen
09:41<joey_>it's very annoying
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09:46<Marillion>joey_: use magic SysRq key for workaround
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09:46<joey_>@Marillion what is that ?
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09:46<joey_>is that how you reply to someone btw ? I dont remember
09:46<Marillion>joey_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key
09:46<joey_>@Nickname
09:48<Marillion>joey_: i don't know what you are mean, sorry ;)
09:48<joey_>You answered me back
09:48<joey_>And your message is highlighted
09:50<Marillion>joey_: because you are ask a question, and your irc client make a highlight if you a person directly
09:50<Marillion>answering
09:51<joey_>Marillion: nvm
09:51<joey_>Marillion: i meant this :D
09:51<Marillion>is your irc client
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10:20<xreal>What's the correct channel for pbuilder or building packages?
10:21<SynrGy>you can get some basic help here with using debian, regardless of which package you use. if you want to learn packaging, that's more appropriate to #debian-mentors
10:22<SynrGy>what's your pbuilder question?
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10:23<xreal>I want to change the sourcecode's content, so running pbuilder with build <package>.dsc isn't the correct way. Can I let it read the unpacked and patched source from a directory or would hooks be the correct way to do it?
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10:28<somiaj>xreal: did some reasearch on google, seems to be no good info and many say there is no difference between using mount bind or not
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10:29<somiaj>xreal: #debian-mentors sometimes can be helpful, also any reason you hae to use pbuilder and don't just manually build it in the chroot?
10:30<xreal>somiaj: up to yesterday, I did so. A friend (he did linux at university) told me: "professionals use pbuilder"...
10:31<somiaj>xreal: well I would say i'm not a professional, but I don't see a difference between automating the steps and manually doing them.
10:32<somiaj>but the standard way with debian packages to change the source is via patches and quilt on most things, this is mentioned in the new matainers guide
10:33<xreal>somiaj: you know what? since I'm also no professional, I'll keep going the old chroot way :)
10:33<xreal>Actually, pbuilder isn't doing anything else: auto-mounting and wrapping some commands around it.
10:33<xreal>cowbuilder is more interesting, it uses COW... need to figure out, how this works.
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10:45<Xylon>hi
10:45<Xylon>I installed goaccess
10:46<Xylon>but I don't have /etc/goaccess.conf, even thogh it's supposeed to be in the package: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/arm64/goaccess/filelist
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10:46<Xylon>/usr/bin/goaccess IS there
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10:47<somiaj>!tell Xylon about confmiss
10:47<somiaj>Xylon: if installing a package didn't generate a conffile, maybe you deleted it and debconf won't put it back. Try to reinstall the package with the confmiss option I had the bot tell you.
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10:48<Xylon>it was never installed before and I never deleted anything but I'll try it
10:48<Xylon>oh, hang on it's actually a wheezy server
10:49<Xylon>ahah
10:49<Xylon>it's not in wheezy
10:49<Xylon>OK that's why
10:49<Xylon>thanks anyway
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10:50<somiaj>,v goaccess
10:50<judd>Package: goaccess on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.12-1; wheezy: 1:0.5-1; sid: 1:0.8.3-1; jessie: 1:0.8.3-1; stretch: 1:0.8.3-1
10:50<somiaj>Xylon: does the version in wheezy just use a different location for the conf file?
10:50<somiaj>,check-backport goaccess
10:50<judd>Backporting package goaccess in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
10:51<Xylon>doesn't have a conf file: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/amd64/goaccess/filelist
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12:39<Lantizia>Lo, if you don't like something package X did... e.g. made 30 .desktop files... is it possible to make a package Y that reverse depends (so any attempt to install X will drag Y in) which will attempt to hide/re-order the 30 odd .desktop files?
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12:39<somiaj>Lantizia: no, that will be against the policy because you will have two packages trying to control the same files.
12:40<Lantizia>somiaj, what if I didn't mess with package X's files and instead made some kind of override file which would be read first?
12:40<somiaj>Lantizia: best to just make your own custom package that does not create all those .desktop files
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12:43<jack1>How do you install a file that you have downloaded from the terminal? I am trying to install truecrypt 7.1a and I don't have a gui on the system that I'm trying to install it on.
12:43<Lantizia>jack1, what kind of file have you downloaded? (you might want to run 'file' against it)
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12:44<jack1>I downloaded a tar.gz and used the command tar to unpack it or whatever
12:44<jack1>but now I can't seem to figure out how to run the setup
12:44<Lantizia>have you ended up with a load of source code or something else to run?
12:45<jack1>the install command in not working.
12:45<jack1>no
12:45<Lantizia>ok run 'file' on the install file
12:45<Brigo>jack1, did you know tcplay? it is in debian.
12:45<petn-randall>Lantizia: Why are you using truecrypt on Debian?
12:45<jack1>It is the set up I'm running a x64 computer
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12:45<Lantizia>petn-randall, I'm not - jack1 is trying to apparently
12:45<petn-randall>jack1: Why are you using truecrypt on Debian?
12:45<petn-randall>Lantizia: Sorry, tab completion mistake :)
12:45<jack1>just like the security
12:45<Lantizia>np :)
12:45<Lantizia>didn't tc get discontinued?
12:46<jack1>I still think it is safe and I like it
12:46<jack1>plus all my drives us it
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12:46<petn-randall>jack1: LUKS provides much better security as it actually still is actively developed. Truecrypt is discontinued.
12:46<jack1>would be a real pain to unencrypt them
12:46<Lantizia>yeah I swapped to LUKS too petn-randall
12:46<jack1>So what command do i use?
12:46<jack1>install just ask me where to put it.
12:46<Lantizia>jack1, depends on what you've actually got
12:47<jack1>and I can't use apt-get cause I already downloaded it
12:47<petn-randall>jack1: You will have to migrate at some point, since truecrypt doesn't have any security support anymore.
12:47<Lantizia>is this install command an ELF binary, a sh/bash script, what?
12:47<jack1>truecrypt-7.1a-setup-x64
12:47<jack1>that is the filename
12:47<Lantizia>again run 'file' on it
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12:48<jack1>truecrypt-7.1a-setup-x64: POSIX shell script executable (binary data)
12:48<Xylon>how to enable systemd script at bootup?
12:48<jack1>sorry I swear I'm tryin to learn bash command line
12:48<Lantizia>jack1, try sh truecrypt-7.1a-setup-x64
12:48<Brigo>Xylon, put them in /etc/systemd/system
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12:49<Xylon>Brigo: OK thanks
12:49<Brigo>Xylon, np
12:49<jack1>That is all I needed thank you so much!!!
12:50<jack1>very difficult to find such a noob thing using google
12:50<Lantizia>jack1, np - just don't assume 'sh' runs everything you might download - like I said it depends on what that file is
12:50<Lantizia>jack1, you could have also done 'chmod +x truecrypt-7.1a-setup-x64' and then './truecrypt-7.1a-setup-x64' and it would have figured out it needed to run it with 'sh' by itself
12:51<Lantizia>if it came from a .tar.gz then it probably has the executable flag already (the chmod +x bit) so might have just needed the 2nd command
12:51<petn-randall>Xylon: You still have to run 'systemctl enable <foo>' to make it run on startup.
12:51<jack1>now you're confusing me, why would I want to change the user owner thing with chmod...
12:51<Lantizia>your not - just adding the executable flag if its missing
12:52<Lantizia>chown changes users/groups - not chmod
12:52<jack1>oh yeah... sorry.
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12:53<Lantizia>so if a package has made 30 odd .desktop files - - can I ... without actually touching them... tell the freedesktop/xdg system to ignore them?
12:53<Lantizia>like in an override file
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12:53<Ionic>hmm.. make-kpkg just failed because it couldn't find "debian/ChangeLog" while running buildpackage
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12:54<somiaj>Ionic: make-kpkg is a dinsour, just use 'make deb-pkg', the kernel make files include all the info to make debian packages and don't need special toosl anymore
12:55<Ionic>make-kpkg is not the recommended tool anymore?
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12:55<somiaj>Ionic: nope. make-kpkg was before the kernel included good info to make debian packages.
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12:56<somiaj>Ionic: now the kernel source has all the info to make the package, you just need to have the required debian packaging tools installed on your system.
12:56<jack1>I um.. if anyone wouldn't mind could someone give a good suggestion on where to start if you wanted to learn to run a file server with debian without a gui? I am mostly using the linux bible, a command line book, the debian wiki, and now I'm on here. Any other good sources of wisdom would be helpful. Maybe a favorite book or website, anything if you don't mind sharing. Plus, I am a little curious what books and sites you all use. Thanks
12:56<somiaj>jack1: are you wanting to serve files to other linux boxes, other *nix boxes, or window boxes?
12:56<Ionic>somiaj: if... you say so? and how does one specify a custom revision using that?
12:56<Lantizia>jack1, using smb, nfs or something else?
12:57<somiaj>Ionic: I haven't compiled a kernel in years, I would check the makefile
12:57<jack1>smb right now but I want to learn nfs evetually.
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12:57<Lantizia>jack1, nfs is crazy easy - it's just the /etc/exports file - but for smb/cifs then look to the SAMBA project
12:57<somiaj>Ionic: http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.kernel-compilation.html
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12:58<somiaj>Ionic: seems, there is a LOCALVERSION and KDEB_PKGVERSION you can use
12:58<somiaj>Ionic: search for 'deb-pkg'
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12:58<jack1>I am mostly just wanting to be able to access all my files from all the different computers in my house. I set it up with a raspberry pi but the amount of data and clients trying to access the data was really laggy. So I decided to try and use a old pc to do the same thing on a bigger scale.
12:58<somiaj>jack1: really depends on your uses, nfs can be a pain since you have to deal with permsions on both client and server correctly. samba is a lot easier. But I would use the one depending on your use cases.
12:59<jack1>Does most of the rasbian command work with debian?
12:59<Ionic>LOCALVERSION is probably the appended kernel version string, that is not to be touched. KDEB_PKGVERSION sounds better
12:59<Lantizia>rasbian is debian
12:59<somiaj>jack1: samba if you want to share with non *nix machines, nfs if you only want to share with other linux oses (nfs also can share with bsd and various other oses, but I ehar there can be some issues since the nfs in linux is not fully compadable by default)
12:59<petn-randall>!raspbian
12:59<dpkg>Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/
12:59<petn-randall>Lantizia: ^^^^
12:59<Ionic>now... question is, did I mess up the linux kernel's debian dir with make-kpkg?
12:59<Lantizia>I disagree :)
13:00<Ionic>because IIRC it does copy stuff to there
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13:00<somiaj>jack1: most shell commands work in linux and vairous other distros, but there are slight differences. These slight differences can be anything from no difference to completely different. Yes most will work, but due to slight differences we don't support raspbian
13:00<somiaj>Lantizia: they modify some core stuff that the 'debian way' just doesn't work.
13:00<somiaj>Lantizia: but yes most things are the same. The hard part is determine what htis 'most' is
13:00<jack1>well that is okay I am trying to get away from the raspbian and focus on debian.
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13:01<jack1>I also am looking a arch to help me learn more about how this stuff works.
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13:02<jack1>Okay I go back to working on stuff now but thanks for all the help again!!!
13:02<Lantizia>raspbian/mint/ubuntu/desktop/<insert a dozen or more extra here> - you learn one, you've got 95% of what you need to understand the others
13:02<Ionic>with a raspberry pi 2 or banana pi/pro, the debian distro can be used as-is, with very slight modifications
13:02<Lantizia>s/desktop/debian/
13:03<somiaj>jack1: again there are lots of similarites, the archwiki seems to have good answers for my debian boxes a lot. But then again their are differences. Our support policy is we dont' want wo worry about differences even if they are slight and dno't want to have to guess if there is one.
13:03<somiaj>(there is also a social aspect to why we only support debian and not raspbian or any other dervivative or distro)
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13:08<Ionic>somiaj: well, by that logic: I'm doing this kernel stuff on a raspberry pi 2 slightly modified Debian Jessie image (the only differences IIRC are the kernel and flash-image), so that may be unsupported too :p
13:08<Ionic>also, on x86_64 I build my own kernels without packaging them
13:09<somiaj>Ionic: if you are using offical debian sources you are supported
13:09<somiaj>Ionic: really the kernel is not supported here, over all that isn't a big deal since you are running debian soruces and when you get bugs you report them to the debian bts
13:10<somiaj>Ionic: well custom kernels that is, but over all many have experience with custom kernels. I try to be helpful. I am more on the social side. and choose to only sport people who use debian proper.
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13:12<Ionic>somiaj: I'm making a point of using vanilla sources, at least for the kernel
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13:13<somiaj>Ionic: I use to do that for a long time, but got tired of keeping up with all the options in the kernel.
13:13<Ionic>custom distro patches have bitten me or others (which I still had to debug) far too often
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13:13<somiaj>Ionic: again your custom kernel may be better supported on ##kernel on irc.freenode.net, but packages are supported by debian.
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13:14<Ionic>I don't need help with the config or anything :)
13:14<somiaj>and now you know about make deb-pkg maybe you'll have an easier time making kernels.
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13:14<Ionic>I'm just making a meta-point, really, saying that ruling out anything that is not "purely" debian to talk about is weird
13:15<petn-randall>Ionic: That's just channel policy. If you want cross-distro support, there's already #linux for that.
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13:16<Ionic>*sigh* whatever, keeping my breath
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13:36<Xylon>petn-randall: that command does not work for me
13:36<Xylon>systemctl enable taskenizer
13:36<Xylon>Failed to execute operation: Invalid argument
13:37<Xylon>obviously this is a very informative error
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13:54<awal>How the installer (wheezy) calculate the space that should reserved for swap? My laptop have 8 gb ram and the installer, using guided installation, no manual, created swap with 16 gb :D
13:56<awal>My disk is 700 gb , so 16 for swap doesn't matter, but 16 gb is too much :P
13:58<petn-randall>Xylon: systemctl status taskenizer?
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13:58<petn-randall>awal: It should be > 8 GB if you actually want to be able to hibernate.
13:58<Xylon>sorry rebuilding entire server now, will report when I rebuild it
13:58<petn-randall>awal: The installation defaults aren't always the best.
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13:59<awal>petn-randall: right.
13:59<chealer>awal: I do not know, but the traditional rule of thumb is twice RAM space.
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14:01<awal>I have another machine with 6gb ram . Jessie installer, in bios, mode reserved 12 gb for ram, but installing in uefi mode the jessie installer rserved only 6 gb ram, the same that my machine have. so curious about all that
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14:04<awal>chealer: it seems yeah. but in another laptop, with 2 gb ram, bios mode installation, the installer created swap with 3 gb, so + 50%.
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14:07<awal>it seems that with more then 4 gb ram swap isn't necessary at all
14:08<ruslanas>hi team, what tool to could show, what writes to disk?
14:08<ruslanas>which process..
14:08<ryouma>ruslanas: nethogs might do it
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14:21<Marillion>ruslanas: iotop
14:21<ruslanas>Marillion: - yes, thanks.
14:21<ruslanas>this helped ;)
14:21<ruslanas>found a root cause of my high CPU sage in idle...
14:22<ruslanas>wifi driver, was missing :)
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14:23<ruslanas>flooded my disk, and had lots of writes to disk :)
14:24<ruslanas>co journaling proces had a hudge usage :)
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14:30<android>Algum BR ai
14:30<android>Brasileiros ai
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14:32<Marillion>!br
14:32<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
14:34<Xylon>OK now it's even worse
14:34<Xylon>I paste
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14:35<Xylon>https://www.t67.eu/filebin/error_paste.txt
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14:38<Xylon>I just don't get it
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14:46<petn-randall>Xylon: What is the output of 'systemctl status taskenizer'?
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14:48<Xylon>oh I'm getting service and systemctl mixed up
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14:49<Xylon>OK the problem was I made like four mistakes
14:50<Xylon>t works now
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15:12<navid0523>hghghgh
15:12<navid0523>gh
15:12<navid0523>sala,
15:12<navid0523>hi?
15:12<sney>hi
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15:14<navid0523>hoe r u ?
15:14<navid0523>how
15:14<sney>I'm fine. do you have a debian question? this channel is for debian users to get help
15:14<sney>if you just want to chat, try /join #moocows
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15:14<navid0523>ok
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15:15<navid0523>i'm need wd drive ultimat for linux
15:15<sney>ultimat?
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15:15<navid0523>yes
15:16<arc_on_irc>hey all, I have jessie with dual booting with windows 10 work release, in a laptop with UEFI. When I installed windows 10 as upgrade to 8.1 it took over the whole booting process, now I can get to jessie only from w10. At this point I am ready to erase w10 and leave jessie alone, but am afraid that will mess up the booting sequence. Any pointers?
15:17<sney>arc_on_irc: windows has a long history of erasing bootloaders. I think if you get into jessie and reinstall grub to the mbr it'll be back to dual booting properly, as long as w10 has roughly the same boot system as 7/8
15:17<navid0523>فارسی بلدی؟
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15:18<sney>navid0523: english please. and what did you mean by wd drive ultimat
15:19<navid0523>ok
15:19<arc_on_irc>sney: I think w10 has altered the whole game, it looks to me even that they boot me into debian in some kind of jail, where they are still the controlling entity.
15:19<sney>virtualizing it? arugh
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15:19<sney>try getting into jessie with supergrubdisk then
15:19<arc_on_irc>sney: this is why I want to just rease them from the system.
15:21<arc_on_irc>thanks
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15:21<Ionic>sney: don't you love those people
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15:21<sney>Ionic: ?
15:21<Ionic>referring to navid0523
15:21*sney shrug
15:21<sney>everyone was a newb once
15:22<Ionic>yes, but speaking a common language would be benefitial for help...
15:22<Ionic>and actually pointing out what the problem is...
15:23<sney>it only bothers me when they refuse to listen. I can handle a little ESL.
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15:23<sney>I hope he figures out whatever it was he was looking for
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15:24<Ionic>me, too. at that point, I guess he wants a... drive?
15:24<Ionic>that works with linux...?
15:24<Ionic>(doesn't make a lot of sense, though)
15:24<Ionic>or maybe this WD Drive Ultimate is a windows-only program for "managing" the SMART stuff
15:24<sney>I would guess he confused a marketing thing for a tech spec. hard drive companies... yeah. or some kind of SUPER DENSITY FORMAT or whatever
15:24<Ionic>in which case smartmontools, hdparm would be the most appropriate answer
15:25<sney>long gone now. oh well. next!
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15:25<Ionic>most vendors have proprietary software for managing a drive and extracting SMART data
15:25<Ionic>:)
15:25<Ionic>yeah, anyway, keep on doing whatever you do
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16:30<irinix>hiyo, so I have an older android phone (LG Optimus Dynamic, LG38C) with qualcomm arm-cortex5 processor. I'm looking to install debian to the device as the native OS, can anyone offer me any pointers, and/or starting places?
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16:43<orjan>Hi, just installed jessie/lxdm with new session that starts xmonad. Seems .xsession isn't run. I can run :xsession from cli, what to check?
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16:50<jack1>orjan, you still waiting for help?
16:50<orjan>jack1: yes
16:51<orjan>well the system runs but I have to run .xsession from cli...
16:51<jack1>I'm pretty sure I'm useless since I didn't understand half of what you said. I just wanted to make sure that others knew you were still waiting...
16:52<jack1>I am a noob sorry.
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16:52<orjan>ok, I'll hang around a bit more then, tnx
16:52<jack1>what is cli?
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16:53<jack1>you're having problems running a gui?
16:53<jack1>or some daemon?
16:53<orjan>cli, comand line interface
16:53<jack1>oh yeah like I said I'm lost lol
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16:55<anonymous>hello
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16:55<anonymous>i am new
16:55<Atomic_4B28H>hi all. I upgraded my Debian box to Jessie.
16:55<MrFrood>orjan: do you know what a symlink is?
16:56<orjan>MrFrood: yes
16:56<anonymous>i want speak with any human
16:56<jack1>xmonad, I did a search, so looks cool. You can work in several different cli at once then? but what is so special or different then just opening them in different workstations or windows manually?
16:57<jack1>anonymous, I think half of the people how "really" understand linux are aliens
16:57<MrFrood>ok symlink your .xsession to a link named .xsessionrc
16:57<orjan>jack1: search for tiling window manager to get an idea
16:57<MrFrood>orjan: ^^^
16:57<jack1>how=who...
16:57<anonymous>quelqun parle avec moi
16:57<orjan>MrFrood: ok I look at .xsessionrc
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16:58<Atomic_4B28H>I installed packages from deb-multimedia repository too. I want to remove them (packages came from multimedia repository) but I'm unable to downgrade them
16:58<MrFrood>orjan: you may also want to take look at https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch07.en.html
16:59<MrFrood>jack1: The more you use Linux the more you understand it
16:59<orjan>MrFrood: I have read that link already, I don't even have an .xsessionrc
16:59<Atomic_4B28H>I set stable pin to 1001 BTW this setting is ignored. I set deb-multimedia to -10... BTW I'm not able to downgrade
17:00<jack1>MrFrood: You say that but anyone that can build a kernel or create a linux distro is some type of Uber-man.
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17:01<MrFrood>orjan: I know, you have .xsession - I was suggesting you creat a symlink to .xsession named .xsessionrc so you would have a .xsessionrc
17:01<jack1>With a mental illness or came from another planet.
17:01<orjan>MrFrood: from my inderstanding, if I start from an xdm in my case lightdm it sould source /etc/X11/Xsession that in turn should source .xsession if it exists.
17:01<anonymous>fuck anonymous
17:01<MrFrood>jack1: no - they have just been at quite a long time
17:01<orjan>MrFrood: ah
17:02<anonymous>fuck fuck
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17:03<MrFrood>orjan: you want to look at the man page for the 'ln' command ;)
17:03<jack1>I'm having problems umounting a truecrypt partition. It keeps saying that It is busy and i should use lsob but it doesn't seem to be a command. fuser -k /file doesn't help either...
17:03<orjan>MrFrood: I know howto symlink, so thats ok
17:03<MrFrood>kewl
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17:04<jack1>any idea how I could get it to let me umount the partition?
17:04<orjan>MrFrood: since I can run .xsession from cli it's not urgent, just anoing
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17:05<hdon>hi all :) i want to install spamassassin. i'm looking at https://wiki.debian.org/DebianSpamAssassin
17:05<MrFrood>orjan: a symlink is all that's needed normally
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17:06<hdon>this advises to add this to my master.cf: spamassassin unix - n n - - pipe\n user=debian-spamd argv=/usr/bin/spamc -f -e /usr/sbin/sendmail -oi -f ${sender} ${recipient}
17:06<hdon>the important part to me right now is user=debian-spamd
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17:06<hdon>i assume that this is the system user that spamassassin process will run under, but i don't have a debian-spamd in my /etc/passwd. should i just create it and do it?
17:06<orjan>MrFrood: is jessie setup to run like 7.5.3 in the doc you linked?
17:06*hdon looks for the master.cf man page
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17:07<MrFrood>I'm not aware of any changes to how X handles things
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17:20<awal>Trying to add a keyboard shortcuts to poenbox rc.xml and menu.xml for the following two commands "xset -dpms s off; xscreensaver-command -exit; xfce4-power-manager --quit" and "xset +dpms s on; xscreensaver -no-splash & xfce4-power-manager &" but it doesn't work and I get a syntax error related to ; and &. Is what suggested at the end of this thread https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=79822 a wise and correct solution? or it's just a work around? If
17:20<awal>it's a way what suggested in the link, what's the guy suggest exactly? I have 0 knowledge about shell
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17:23<awal>so basically my question is how to make openbox execute various commands via rc.xml with a single keyboard shortcut :)
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17:24<jack1>awal: I am a noob but you will have to change a .conf file right?
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17:24<jack1>just sure what rc.xml is though sorry.
17:24<awal>Under fluxbox those commands work just fine as I writed them when adding them to fluxbox keys file
17:24<jack1>Someone will come around that knows in a bit.
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17:24<awal>jack1: :)
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17:29<Tiberio>ho to downgrade packages downloaded by a repository to replace them by *stable* ones?
17:29<Tiberio>*how
17:30<sney>!downgrade
17:30<dpkg>Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
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17:32<somiaj>Tiberio: if you need to do this for a whole install, a reinstall will most likely work better and easier.
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17:33<awal>Tiberio: basically, you can go from stable to testing to unstable but reverse process is not supported in debian, and maybe in any gnu/linux OS. If you have a very broken system and a lot of packs to downgrade, and you won't spend weeks trying to fix your system, sorry but you will be forced to reinstall, thats the best way.
17:34<awal>Tiberio: how many packs you installed from other repos then stable ones?
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17:43<Tiberio>a little
17:43<Tiberio>awal
17:43<Tiberio>I installed debs from multimedia repositry
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17:44<Tiberio>but I had conflicts installing libavcodec-extra
17:44<sney>oh, dmm
17:44<sney>!dmm remove
17:44<dpkg>If you want to remove the packages from deb-multimedia.org and reinstall the packages from Debian repositories, one could do this: dpkg --remove --force-depends $(aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))' --disable-columns -F%p); remove the dmm repository from sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get install -f; install the still missing packages which were removed in the former process ...
17:44<Tiberio>so I wanted to go back to official jessie
17:45<sney>we have instructions for that
17:45<Tiberio>btw I think I solved
17:45<Tiberio>I solved, I suppose
17:46<Tiberio>I manually downgraded some packages by removing multimedia from sources.list
17:46<Tiberio>and doing... apt-get install packagename/stable
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17:47<Tiberio>then I manually solved some conflicts by aptitude
17:47<jack1>chown: changing ownership of ‘' Operation not permitted what should I do?
17:48<Tiberio>btw... I thought pinning >1000 would do what I was looking for
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17:48<Tiberio>stable 1010
17:48<Tiberio>multimedia -10
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17:49<somiaj>jack1: what command did you type, it sounds like you are trying to change the ownership of no file, ''
17:49<jack1>I deleted the file name
17:49<jack1>I ran it on /mnt/filename
17:49<jack1>as root
17:49<jack1>it won't let me change it.
17:50<jack1>I need to change it so that samba can work... I think...
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17:50<sney>if you want a mounted volume to have the same permissions as your normal user, put the mount point under your home directory
17:50<anonymous>hi
17:50<jack1>I thought you mount stuff to /mnt?
17:51<sney>you can mount stuff to any directory anywhere in your filesystem
17:51<somiaj>jack1: what type of file system did you mount?
17:51<anonymous>are u all anons?
17:51<jack1>It is a entire partition
17:51<jack1>hard drive
17:51<somiaj>jack1: but what file system
17:51<sney>anonymous: this is a channel for people who need help with debian systems. if you are looking for hacktivists, you should probably try a different network
17:51<jack1>you mean type,? um, fat32 maybe...
17:52<sney>vfat doesn't support file ownership
17:52<somiaj>jack1: fat32 does not have file pemrisions so they cannot be changed.
17:52<anonymous>oh ok lol i just got anonymous.os
17:52<somiaj>jack1: you can control the ownership with the options uid=user and gid=group when you mount it.
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17:52<sney>(or mount it under your home directory)
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17:53<somiaj>sney: well unless you have an automounter passing those uid= and gid=, root mounting it in $HOME won't by default make that user own it.
17:53<jack1>okay so if I just remount it in my home directory that will be good enough? the owner will not be root then...
17:53<sney>somiaj: if it's vfat, it'll inherit from the directory it's mounted to
17:54<somiaj>sney: that never worked for me. It is set via uid and gid
17:54<somiaj>but I guess I never tried to mount things in home, (:
17:54<sney>then I'd say of course it's never worked for you if you've never tried it. ;)
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17:56<somiaj>sney: just tested, mounted a fat32 file system in $HOME/tmpmnt and it gave it permissions root.root
17:56<sney>well I don't know what to say. I've been mounting other volumes under home for years to get around having to put anything in fstab
17:58<somiaj>I know automounters set the uid/gid of vfat and various non nix file systems, but I don't use such things. I just did a mount /dev/partition $HOME/tmpmnt
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17:59<sney>I've never used an automounter. but now I feel like I'm just losing my mind since I don't have an example handy.
17:59<sney>oh well
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18:00<somiaj>sney: could be a configuration option somewhere too. I am just in the habbit of passing uid/gid to my vfat,ntfs file systems
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18:07<enigma>hello
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18:26<xreal>Is "cp -al" buggy?? It doesn't create links on my system.
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18:33<somiaj>xreal: that l flag " hard link files instead of copying", is that what you want is hard links?
18:33<somiaj>note it might conflit with -a since that wants to --preserve=all
18:34<xreal>somiaj: when using google, you'll find hundrets of examples to "cp -al"
18:34<xreal>somiaj: even in the man page for cowdancer.
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18:34<xreal>somiaj: I think, the behavor changed in the past and nobody recognized it?
18:34<somiaj>xreal: what makes you think it isn't working then, hardlinks are different than symbolic links.
18:35<xreal>somiaj: ls -ilR or find -link etc. - none shows a link.
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18:36<somiaj>xreal: yea hard links don't look like links
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18:36<somiaj>xreal: edit one of the files, and see if it modifies the other file.
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18:37<xreal>somiaj: ah wait, I need to figur out the inode number
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18:37<abrotman>xreal: this is not a support channel
18:37<abrotman>oh, duh
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18:37<abrotman>I was lost :)
18:37<abrotman>xreal: apologies .. carry on
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18:38<xreal>abrotman: 90% this isn't a support channel ;)
18:38<xreal>90% of the time :)
18:38*abrotman refrains from further comment about xreal
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18:43<awal>xreal: users in this channel are not payed. it's voluntary support. for further help check https://www.debian.org/consultants/
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18:50<rockstar>evening
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18:52<rockstar>I have a problem, did a dist-upgrade, all was running fine before, and now I get "oh no! something has gone wrong" message. Uninstalled gdm3 and gnome as I read some other had the same problem but no luck on that. Then uninstalled nvidia drivers and reinstalled, no luck. Glxinfo keep saying that can't open a display. I think I'm out of ideas by now
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18:53<sney>rockstar: what nvidia gpu do you have?
18:54<rockstar>Geforce GTX 650
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18:54<alezy>hello
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18:55<sney>well, it didn't get cut off by -legacy at least
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18:56<alezy>how incrementar memory esistent disk virtualbox
18:57<abrotman>!es
18:57<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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18:58<rockstar>what is strange is that the problem seems to be gnome related, but I did a apt-get remove --purge gnome* and I keep getting the message as if gnome was not removed
18:58<Ionic>meh
18:58<Ionic>deb-pkg creates "wrong" packages
18:59<Ionic>I'll have to fix it up to not create armel but armhf-named packages
19:00<somiaj>Ionic: is that a bug or a configuration issue?
19:01<Ionic>somiaj: it "determines" the architecture automatically via uname in scripts/package/builddeb
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19:01<Ionic>let me link the relevant part...
19:02<Ionic>https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/scripts/package/builddeb#L48
19:02<Ionic>I need "armhf" as architecture, though
19:02<somiaj>Ionic: yea, gone are the days where it can just test the arch of the cpu, since they can support multiple types.
19:03<Ionic>it should really query dpkg-architecture or something like that
19:03<Ionic>so I see it as a bug
19:03<somiaj>or the arch of the build tools if you are cross-compling.
19:03<Ionic>doesn't even seem to have support for crosscompiling
19:03<somiaj>well it needs to be compadable wtih cross compiling, so not sure if that is the best way to autodetect either.
19:03<Ionic>ah
19:03<Ionic>I can force it via KBUILD_DEBARCH
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19:04<Ionic>is debian really using *that* stuff for building official kernel packages?
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19:05<Ionic>I wonder how it doesn't puke all over the maintainer's faces
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19:06<somiaj>Ionic: I assume the matainers have their own custom debian/ dir that contains not only debian patches to the kernel, but the config options to make the standard debian package utilities work (which isn't make-kpkg)
19:06<somiaj>Ionic: though there is probabaly some cross over.
19:07<Ionic>well, it's probably sbuild and dh
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19:07<Ionic>at least sbuild is used for the official package building infrastructure
19:07<Ionic>and debhelper is pretty much standard
19:08<somiaj>yea something like that. I only dabble in making packages. And nothing complicated like a kernel which needs to be built for various different arches and various versions (-pae, etc)
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19:08<Ionic>I'm "okay" with package creation cross-platform and have my fair experience
19:09<somiaj>I just know make-kpkg is not longer the prefered method for an indviduial to make a package since the stuff in the vanilla kernel shoudl be sufficent.
19:09<Ionic>heh, yeah, well, I may release those kernels
19:10<Ionic>so I need something producing half-way acceptable binary packages
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19:10<Ionic>but lintian is my friend to find out whether it's half-way acceptible
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19:11<somiaj>yea I just prefer a .deb to manage software over source installs in /usr/local, so my hobbist needs are very simple
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19:12<Ionic>I probably will need to make those packages accessible to anyone who would like to reproduce the raspi2 build environment for our project
19:13<Ionic>so I'm looking not only into hacking it up in the first place but also provide packages
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19:14<somiaj>then I wouldn't listen to my suggestions. Unsure if anything you would need to do to clean up the debian/ dir provided by the vanilla kernel. I just know some source codes debian/ can be fairly terrible
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19:15<Ionic>believe me, I know :)
19:16<Ionic>and not only the deb quirks, also RPM ones
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19:18<alezy>night guys thn
19:18<alezy>thanks all
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23:20<MichaelP>installed gnome on jessie... i login i get opppps something went wrong
23:21<somiaj>what graphics card?
23:21<somiaj>and what graphics drivers?
23:22<MichaelP>what ever the amd e1 cpu uses.... using fglrx
23:22<somiaj>fglrx doesn't support gnome
23:23<somiaj>MichaelP: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#gnome-fglrx
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23:24<MichaelP>when did gnome stop suppoting the catalyst driver
23:25<somiaj>not sure, i just know that it doens't support it
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23:27<MichaelP>that sucks... can't use hdmi tv with out it... need the overscan underscan in catalyst control center
23:28<somiaj>I was able to use the radeon driver with hdmi on my tv just fine on my 4200HD laptop.
23:30<MichaelP>my screen either to big or to small... and my universal remote i can't adjust size
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23:34<MichaelP>somiaj: how do i remove fglrx ?
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23:35<MichaelP>this iswhat i used to install....... sudo aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') fglrx-driver
23:39<gsimmons>MichaelP: You can use "aptitude remove ~i~nfglrx" to remove all installed packages matching 'fglrx' in their name. You would need to remove related Xorg configuration yourself.
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23:41<MichaelP>gsimmons: that just removes the driver and the deps ?
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23:47<gsimmons>MichaelP: Yes, unused packages would also be removed.
23:48<afh>Hi. How would I go about setting up ssh/rsync/etc so it only asks my key's password once per login session? I'm using "ssh-agent startx" and "ssh-add" after that, but is there a way to "avoid" it and make the first run of ssh/rsync/etc ask for it?
23:48<MichaelP>ok... now see how the radeon driver works
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23:50<finchd>afh: avoid using ssh-add and have the first use of ssh/rsync ask for the key? ssh & rsync don't know how to add keys to the agent, just how to use the ones in it
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