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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-05-18

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03:16<UsecAgo>I'm developing a program that uses a USB device, sometimes USB fails and I don't know why it does, neither where to look for information about it in linux ¿what steps should i take to takle that problem?
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03:21<warhead>Hello to all, one question, whay Midori package removed from Jessie? (any nasty bugs or?)
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03:41<gsimmons>warhead: It was automatically removed from Jessie (when it was still testing) due to Debian bug #759959. Was fixed, but too late in the release cycle to reintroduce (bug #768458).
03:41<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/759959 in src:midori (closed, jessie, sid): «midori: FTBFS: dpkg-query: error: --listfiles needs at least one package name argument»; severity: serious; opened: 2014-08-30; last modified: 2014-12-05.
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03:53<warhead>judd: any idea Midori will be back in Jessie or banned 4 life?
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03:57<jm_>judd is a bot - and it's unlikely it will be back unless someone backports it, but you can build it yourself, see /msg dpkg ssb
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04:05<warhead>oh tnx. jm_
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04:36<somiaj>warhead: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=759959
04:37<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/759959 in src:midori (closed, jessie, sid): «midori: FTBFS: dpkg-query: error: --listfiles needs at least one package name argument»; severity: serious; opened: 2014-08-30; last modified: 2014-12-05.
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04:37<somiaj>warhead: looks like it can't be built on jessie without errors. Also webkit is not supported by secuirty in jessie. If you care about security in your webbrowser you need to use icewealse or chromium.
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04:44<warhead>somiaj: good to know, tnx. for info.
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05:01<piksta>Hey! I've installed jessie on my new laptop some time in february (prior to stable release). For some time I was not able to access my USB memory sticks because they are mounted without write permission. I don't remember if the problem appeared after some time or was there. I've searched the Internet for some time, but I have got no idea where to start looking for a solution. Any advice?
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05:03<jm_>piksta: are you sure it's not a group membership issue?
05:04<piksta>jm_, maybe. What group shall my user be member of?
05:04<jm_>piksta: plugdev
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05:05<piksta>jm_, no, I'm a member of plugdev.
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05:06<jm_>piksta: then maybe start by finding out what mounts it
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05:22<zeev>Hi, I have following problem: our mediateam uploads files to webserver, I set setgid, so that newly created files/subdirs have mediateam group ID and not that of users, but the problem is that the user ID of the new files/subdirs are set to the user ID who uploaded the file and it should stay www-data, otherwise our web-server doesn't like it. I read that setting setuid has no effect on Linux. If so, how can I achieve the same result for use
05:22<zeev>r ID as for group ID with setgid? Thank you!
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05:28<petn-randall>!tell zeev -about crosspost
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05:39<piksta>jm_, how do I find what mounts it?
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05:40<jm_>piksta: no idea, I don't use any of the modern stuff so I could figure it out by looking at it
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05:46<piksta>jm_, this is what I see in syslog: http://pastebin.com/NiSdEiq4
05:46<piksta>jm_, I don't understand much, but I see it says "mtp-probe: bus: 2, device: 13 was not an MTP device". Is it a problem?
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05:47<jm_>piksta: probably not
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05:50<jm_>did you check how the device is mounted?
05:51<piksta>jm_, http://pastebin.com/WZfqDhrS
05:52<piksta>jm_, The device in question is mounted as /media/usb0
05:52<piksta>jm_, is that what you mean?
05:52<jm_>piksta: which DE are you using?
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05:53<piksta>jm_, desktop environment? Cinnamon.
05:54<piksta>jm_, 2.2.16.
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05:55<jm_>piksta: how do you start that?
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05:56<piksta>jm_, It starts automatically after boot up.
05:57<SynrG>should be lightdm, iirc
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05:57<SynrG>and the file manager is nemo
05:58<piksta>SynrG, I think my installation usess gdm. How do I check whether my system uses lightdm or gdm?
05:58<SynrG>check the processes
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05:58<jm_>cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
05:59<SynrG>or that
05:59<piksta>"$ cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager" gives /usr/sbin/gdm3
05:59<SynrG>pgrep -l lightdm tells you if the lightdm process is running
06:00<SynrG>then you use gdm3. did you install gnome first and switch to cinnamon later?
06:00<piksta>lightdm is not running.
06:00<piksta>SynrG, yes, as far as I remember.
06:00<SynrG>that would explain it
06:00<SynrG>in any case, either one should set up the session properly
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06:01<piksta>I still have Gnome3 installed, but I don't use it.
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06:01<somiaj>also figured this out in jessie, use /etc/X11/default-display-manager to configure the display manager. Seems the systemd services are static so they can't be enabled/disabled.
06:01<Xylon>installing libapache2-mod-proxy-uwsgi makes apache unstartable
06:01<Xylon>apache2: Syntax error on line 140 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 1 of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/proxy_uwsgi.load: Cannot load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_proxy_uwsgi.so into server: /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_proxy_uwsgi.so: undefined symbol: ap_proxy_backend_broke
06:01<Xylon>I'll try reboot
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06:02<jm_>Xylon: which version of debian are you using?
06:02<piksta>SynrG, jm_ would the choice of display manager influence how my usb sticks are mounted?
06:02<Xylon>jessie
06:02<SynrG>piksta: what filesystem is on the usb?
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06:02<SynrG>piksta: not unless it were broken
06:03<jm_>there is no libapache2-mod-proxy-uwsgi in jessie
06:03<SynrG>also, if your desktop were started with startx without consolekit, that could screw up permissions.
06:03<SynrG>but that's not the case.
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06:04<piksta>SynrG, mostly fat32, I suppose. The issue is not with just one USB, they all are affected.
06:04<Xylon>jm_ sure there is, I just installed it
06:05<SynrG>piksta: you say you still have gnome installed. do you have the same issue if you login with gnome?
06:05<jm_>Xylon: nope
06:05<jm_>,versions libapache2-mod-proxy-uwsgi
06:05<judd>Package: libapache2-mod-proxy-uwsgi on amd64 -- jessie: 2.0.7-1; sid: 2.0.7-1+b1; stretch: 2.0.7-1+b1; experimental: 2.0.10-2
06:05<piksta>SynrG, I don't know. Will now switch session to check.
06:05<Xylon>https://www.t67.eu/filebin/libapache2-mod-proxy-uwsgi.jessie
06:06<jm_>hmm not sure what I was looking at then
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06:07<peter1138>Yeah, same error here.
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06:08<jm_>trying to check BTS for that
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06:11<Xylon>same when I install libapache2-mod-ruwsgi
06:11<Xylon>oh no
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06:11<Xylon>that's just the left over config from the other
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06:12<jm_>can't see this as being reported already so probably best to do so
06:13<Xylon>OK
06:13<piksta>SynrG, no, actually it seems to mount right.
06:15<piksta>SynrG, I can create and delete directories and files.
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06:15<piksta>SynrG, what's wrong with Cinnamon, then?
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06:19<jm_>piksta: probably different tools do the job
06:20<SynrG>piksta: not sure. perhaps #debian-cinnamon can help. but they're a low-traffic developer channel. might have to lurk a while until someone answers
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06:21<SynrG>piksta: it's conceivable it's a local issue with your system, possibly influenced by having first installed gnome, then cinnamon. you could download and try the cinnamon jessie live image
06:21<SynrG>http://www.debian.org/CD/live
06:22<SynrG>just a guess, however. i really have no idea
06:23<SynrG>if you can reproduce the issue on the live image, you have a strong case for there being a bug to file, probably on nemo
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06:24<SynrG>piksta: is it only read-only, or also wrong owner?
06:25<SynrG>piksta: this related Mint bug could be relevant: https://bugs.launchpad.net/linuxmint/+bug/1218076
06:26<SynrG>that bug has some confusing observations in it. kernel 3.13 + nemo? wtf? that doesn't make any kind of sense to me
06:27<SynrG>doesn't strike me as any sort of legit solution
06:27<SynrG>(to change kernels, i mean)
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06:28<SynrG>piksta: anyway, whether or not you test on live, i think we have a strong enough argument this is, in fact, a nemo bug. please use reportbug and file a bug on nemo with your own observations, adding a cross-reference to this mint bug
06:28<mongrol>hi all, I have an apt problem.
06:29<SynrG>piksta: i.e. it is important to record in the bug that it works fine in gnome
06:29<piksta>SynrG, the owner is root, what's wrong is permissions. When I use GNOME they are 777, in Cinnamon 755.
06:29<mongrol>I'm doing an update and find packages listed in aptitude but none have available versions
06:29<mongrol>so I can't install anything, getting No candidate found
06:29<SynrG>piksta: owner is root is surprising.
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06:30<SynrG>i would expect a fat32 to be automounted as the logged in user
06:30<SynrG>do you have something in /etc/fstab for this usb? if so, you shouldn't
06:30<SynrG>the file manager should (probably via udisks) manage mounting under /media on its own
06:31<SynrG>piksta: please paste the line for the USB from 'mount' so we can see the options it was mounted with
06:31<piksta>SynrG, why owner root is surprising? Should it mount under my username?
06:32<SynrG>yes, it should. observe how it gets mounted in gnome. i think you'll find it's mounted under your username
06:32<jm_>!bat
06:32<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
06:32<jm_>mongrol ^^^^^^^
06:32<mongrol>righty
06:32<SynrG>piksta: if mounted as your username, 755 is fine
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06:32<SynrG>piksta: and 777 seems really sloppy
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06:33<SynrG>piksta: so i want to see two things from you: 1. any /etc/fstab entry you might have for this USB and 2. the output from 'mount'. use paste.debian.net, please
06:33<piksta>SynrG, /etc/fstab has following records: http://pastebin.com/xzi987vj
06:33<SynrG>!pastebin.com
06:33<dpkg>pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/
06:34<SynrG>aha. don't do that
06:34<piksta>SynrG, it mounts under root also in GNOME.
06:34<SynrG>you should not have any entries in fstab for your USBs
06:34<SynrG>removable media get automounted by the desktop
06:35*mongrol apts prob is here https://paste.debian.net/179489/
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06:35<SynrG>for multiple reasons: /dev/sdb <- not predictable that it will always be sdb (you could have two plugged in at once, for example). and not predictable that it's partitioned at all (you can have a partitionless USB)
06:36<piksta>SynrG, I'm positive I've not put it there myself.
06:36<SynrG>the desktop handles removable media just fine on its own
06:36<SynrG>really? i've never seen such entries added automatically by debian
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06:38<greg2>hi, how do I tell systemd to not start mysql server at boot time?
06:38<piksta>SynrG, I have no alibi for that case, but I can't think of any reason for me to put them there.
06:38<piksta>SynrG, I'll comment out the records and switch over to Cinnamon to see if there is any effect.
06:38<UsecAgo>what log shows me the USB pluin and out?
06:38<SynrG>piksta: yep. and in any case, whether debian put them there or not, i'm pretty sure it's abnormal, which may be what's confusing nemo
06:38<UsecAgo>pluin=plug in
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06:39<SynrG>UsecAgo: it should show in dmesg. what's your goal? if you just want to find out the device node name, try ls -l /dev/disk/by-id/
06:40<jm_>mongrol: note the priroty on it (-10)
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06:40<SynrG>UsecAgo: i find this easier than looking through dmesg
06:40<mongrol>hmm
06:40<jm_>greg2: systemctl disable ... doesn't work?
06:40<UsecAgo>USBs are dropping connections
06:40*mongrol finds it
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06:41<mongrol>hah, I had "testing" as 900
06:41<mongrol>forgot to fix it up when moving to stable
06:41<UsecAgo>SynrG, any tail -f available ?
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06:41<navid0523>hi
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06:41<jm_>probably kern.log
06:41<mongrol>jm: ta
06:41<jm_>mongrol: no problem
06:41<greg2>jm_, thanks it looks good. I'm still reading the doc
06:41<SynrG>UsecAgo: dmesg -w. or dmesg -Tw to get human-readable timestamps too
06:42<UsecAgo>SynrG, thanks
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06:42<navid0523>hoe r u
06:43<SynrG>navid0523: this channel is for debian support, not chatting. got a debian support question?
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06:43<navid0523>dd
06:43<piksta>SynrG, this seems to have solved the problem.
06:43<SynrG>piksta: yay!
06:43<piksta>SynrG, thanks.
06:43<SynrG>piksta: so there's still the question why nemo screws up in this case.
06:44<SynrG>and also how those entries got there
06:44<piksta>SynrG, is there still any ground for bug report?
06:44<SynrG>you could file one in case it helps someone else
06:45<SynrG>it doesn't make sense that with the mount option 'user' it ends up owned as root
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06:45<navid0523>V
06:45<navid0523>B
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06:45<navid0523>B
06:45<navid0523>VB
06:45<navid0523>VB
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06:46<jm_>user is who can mount/umount it, not ownership of files (uid is used for that for file systems that support it)
06:46<SynrG>ah
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06:46<piksta>SynrG, it's going to be difficult to formulate the problem :) "In case an unlikely record appears in /etc/fstab for no reason, nemo will get confused".
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06:46<SynrG>a little unclever of gnome to mount it 777 :(
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06:47<UsecAgo>SynrG, i use raspbian ... -w option is not there
06:47<SynrG>piksta: but all the more reason to file one, since there are so many different mysterious aspects to this
06:47<koollman>is there a way to disable the root password prompt on start for single/maintenance mode ? ("Give root password for maintenance :")
06:47<SynrG>!raspbian
06:47<dpkg>Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/
06:48<SynrG>UsecAgo: and this is exactly why you get support for your distro in your own support channel, not here
06:48<SynrG>UsecAgo: raspbian is *not* debian
06:48<jm_>that's probably cause it's based on wheezy, no -w there either :)
06:48<piksta>SynrG, ok. Where do you think it's better to file a bug?
06:49<SynrG>piksta: i would still file it on nemo, as a user can't be expected to determine which lower level has the bug, if any ...
06:49<SynrG>piksta: and also the behaviour differs between nemo in cinnamon and nautilus in gnome.
06:50<SynrG>i've seen differences between desktops in terms of permissions, ownership, mountpoint. presumably even if they all use udisks at the backend, they have different implementations as to *how* they use it
06:51<SynrG>so the bug properly belongs to the DE-specific layer
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06:51<piksta>SynrG, jm_, allright. Again, thank you for help!
06:51<SynrG>koollman: you don't have the root password? you could boot to a shell with the kernel option init=/bin/sh
06:51<jm_>SynrG was the one who figured it out :)
06:52<SynrG>np
06:52<UsecAgo>SynrG, really? ;) anyway, thanks for your previous help, it is valuable for my system
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06:52<koollman>SynrG: I end up doing that. but I wish this prompt wasn't there. I don't want to have the root password. And I have to type it in an ugly java kvm interface, not good either :)
06:53<SynrG>UsecAgo: yes, really. raspbian is a derivative. it's a common mistake by derivative users to believe that they use a "kind of debian" and can get help here. unfortunately we can't know what changes your distribution makes to debian, so it's inappropriate to ask for help here.
06:53<koollman>(dedicated servers)
06:54<jm_>koollman: probably this line in inittab ~~:S:wait:/sbin/sulogin
06:54<SynrG>interesting
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06:54<koollman>jm_: thanks. I will have a look at that
06:54<jm_>it says it doesn't prompt if root password is locked
06:54<jm_>man sulogin
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07:03<navid0523>HI
07:04<jm_>navid0523: you have already been warned once so please take care to respect channel policy
07:04<navid0523>WHATE?
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07:06<navid0523>where r u?
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07:07<navid0523>kasi hast?
07:07<jm_>navid0523: for the last time, this is a debian support channel, please go elsewhere if you want to chat, i.e. #debian-offtopic
07:07<navid0523>???
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08:12<pmart>How can I override a file /usr/share/thumbnailers? I want to pass different options to ffmpegthumbnailer. I was looking for a (xdg?) specification on [Thumbnailer Entry] but couldn't find anything relevant.
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08:13<pmart>basically, the format of the file is straightforward, but I wanted to know about site-specific dirs for .thumbnailer files
08:14<delparnel>pmart: https://wiki.gnome.org/DraftSpecs/ThumbnailerSpec ?
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08:16<pmart>I think this is something else. ffmpegthumbnailer is not a dbus service, just a binary that needs to be called for each file to produce thumb
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08:29<delparnel>Oh ok.
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09:00<thebf>Hi there, I'm trying to prep for the leapsecond on 30th june - Do any of you know where I can verify that the kernel in LTS (6/squeeze) is prepared for it?
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09:03<themill>kernels should handle leap seconds with no issues. It's random user space things that fall over (java fell over last time, for instance)
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09:05<thebf>Okay thanks, was kinda expecting that, but my google searches have not yielded anything concrete. Had major issues with java in 2012, so I know about that one
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09:08<petn-randall>thebf: If you want to test it, set your system clock to that time, let the leap second happen, and check what breaks. Last time it was also MySQL, themill forgot that, too ;)
09:08<petn-randall>s/to that time/just before that time/
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09:09<citrix>anyone plz help me???
09:09<centrx>!ask
09:09<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
09:09<citrix>can you tell me
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09:09<juicer>I just upgraded from wheezy to jessie, and when restarting X and lxde, the fonts are blurry. Any ideas what might have happened/how to fix?
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09:10<petn-randall>juicer: I don't know if LXDE has that (xfce/Gnome/KDE has), but you can configure subpixel and font hinting, check the configuration settings.
09:10<citrix>how to setup fullsize screen in turtle python???
09:10<citrix>any command??
09:11<juicer>petn-randall: Ok thanks
09:11<centrx>citrix, You'll have better luck with that question at #python on irc.freenode.net
09:11<konp>juicer: https://wiki.debian.org/Fonts#Subpixel-hinting_and_Font-smoothing
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09:12<citrix>okay
09:12<juicer>Thanks. I wonder why it suddenly changed after the upgrade though.
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09:20<thebf>petn-randall, I thought it was pushed by NTP or smth like that, but if I can actually do that it would be really easy to test - Thanks, I'll try it!
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09:26<petn-randall>thebf: It's only set via NTP if you actually configured it to.
09:26<thebf>petn-randall, great, I didnt, so your trick should work :) Thanks again
09:27<petn-randall>thebf: You're welcome. Feel free to ask if you have further questions! :)
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09:29<LadyAlissa>What should I try to do if my networking suddenly stops working after a system reboot?
09:29<peter1138>Don't reboot :D
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09:30<LadyAlissa>It's an almost-fresh installation and I can provide the commands that I ran.
09:30<LadyAlissa>https://raw.githubusercontent.com/hashbang/shell-etc/master/setup.sh <-- I started up an Atlantic.net cloud server, then ran that script.
09:31<LadyAlissa>It's supposed to reset /etc/ but *keep* the required networking configurations.
09:31<LadyAlissa>I know it kept the right /etc/network/interfaces but I think something else was lost, because "ping" returns "connect: Network is unreachable"
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09:33<petn-randall>LadyAlissa: It probably rebooted and then got stuck due to an error. You're also mixing unstable and jessie on that machine, which is neither recommended nor supported.
09:33<petn-randall>!frankendebian
09:33<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
09:34<LadyAlissa>I should be using only one unstable package.
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09:50<petn-randall>LadyAlissa: The other problem is that you did a automated upgrade (blindly), and now your machine doesn't come up. It's a better practice to do the upgrade manually on the first machine to see any problems on the way, and only automate that for the following ones.
09:50<petn-randall>LadyAlissa: The way to go forward is to access the console of that machine, and check why it doesn't boot up.
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09:50<LadyAlissa>It's booted.
09:51<LadyAlissa>eth0 just doesn't feel like working.
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09:51<petn-randall>LadyAlissa: What is the output of 'ifconfig' and 'route -n'?
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09:51<petn-randall>http://paste.debian.net
09:52<LadyAlissa>I have a loopback interface and no output besides the headers for route -n
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09:52<petn-randall>LadyAlissa: What are the contents of /etc/network/interfaces?
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09:53<LadyAlissa>http://i.imgur.com/5Y7YXO3.png
09:54<SleepyHead>hate to be that guy, but damn that res
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09:55<LadyAlissa>SleepyHead: It's a console that I *hopefully* won't ever have to use.
09:55<LadyAlissa>And if you mean my laptop's resolution, t(^-^t)
09:55<SleepyHead>Right back at you
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10:08<petn-randall>LadyAlissa: What happens if you run 'ifup -v eth0'?
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10:09<LadyAlissa>Cannot find device.
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10:12<Filystyn>guys i have a problem i want to instal unp.h dev package but cant find it in rep
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10:13<Filystyn>and it's not on sys since -unp in g++ did not see it ;-(
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10:13<Filystyn>it's not in rep? (hard to belive)
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10:18<blast007>Filystyn: sounds like that's for/from UNIX, not Linux.
10:19<Filystyn>so what!
10:19<Filystyn>;-)
10:19<blast007>so that's why you don't have it.. because you're not using a UNIX system
10:20<Filystyn>but i want this lib
10:21<blast007>well, I'm sure you can find it if you google, but it won't necessarily work
10:21<Filystyn>it will work dun worry
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10:22<Filystyn>got the file
10:22<LadyAlissa>Quick question, what is "hwaddress" in /etc/network/interfaces ?
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10:24<peter1138>mac address
10:24<troy>LadyAlissa: it allows you to set the MAC address of the interface
10:24<blast007>LadyAlissa: the MAC address. You'd generally not set that yourself and just use whatever the NIC has burned into its ROM.
10:24<blast007>(or in the case of a VM, whatever the VM has configured/generated)
10:24<LadyAlissa>Alright.
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10:25<petn-randall>LadyAlissa: if you run 'ifconfig -a', do you even see eth0?
10:26<petn-randall>LadyAlissa: If not, the problem is that your VM doesn't have a NIC then :)
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10:28<LadyAlissa>petn-randall: The thing is, it was working before the script
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10:31<petn-randall>LadyAlissa: What is the output?
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10:34<LadyAlissa>http://i.imgur.com/vG9WNmV.png
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10:37<SleepyHead>dat tumblr
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10:38<delparnel>lol
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10:55<petn-randall>LadyAlissa: I guess the MAC address of your VM changed, which is why it got a new address. You can delete/rename /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules and on reboot it should work again.
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10:56<LadyAlissa>petn-randall: The thing is, the server was alive for 5 minutes.
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10:57<petn-randall>LadyAlissa: Then check in /var/log/kern.log what happened in that time, I'm guessing that your hosters hotplugged NICs in and out of your machine.
10:57<LadyAlissa>This happened 5 times already over the last two days.
10:58<LadyAlissa>I can reboot and it'll work without the script
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10:59<blast007>then maybe don't use that script ;)
10:59<LadyAlissa>I have to use the script, or at least the commands in the script.
11:00<blast007>why?
11:00<LadyAlissa>Because it contains all the packages, configurations, and everything else for the server.
11:00<petn-randall>LadyAlissa: I guess you have to debug the script then ...
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11:08<LadyAlissa>https://raw.githubusercontent.com/hashbang/shell-etc/master/apt/preferences Does anyone know why this installs everything under "unstable" ?
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11:09<SleepyHead>I have no idea what I'm looking at
11:09<SleepyHead>:>
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11:13<LadyAlissa>Alright, I fixed it up a bit and modified the script a small bit
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11:21<ThomasKeller>I have fresh new installation of Jessie
11:21<ThomasKeller>unlike in Wheezy, /bin/ping does not have SETUID bit set
11:22<ThomasKeller>and consequently, I cannot use ping as a non-root user
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11:22<ThomasKeller>is this missing SETUID bit intentional or is it a bug ?
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11:26<LadyAlissa>So, it's something wrong with the /etc repository I clone from.
11:26<LadyAlissa>Damn it.
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11:34<peter1138>Hmm, so no snort in jessie
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11:36<petn-randall>peter1138: Got dropped due to migration problems which no one fixed. Mentioned that yesterday on #debian-offtopic.
11:37<di0x>jessie snort colombian?
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11:38<di0x>well, wheezy and jessie are awesome i dont get what you meant with snort
11:38<di0x>whats #debian-offtopic ? okies
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11:40<peter1138>petn-randall, this makes my Jessie migration a bit akward :)
11:40<peter1138>+w
11:41<petn-randall>di0x: Snort is not related to drugs ...
11:41<petn-randall>peter1138: Just wait until it shows up in jessie-backports, it'll surely show up there in the next months.
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11:55<blast007>ThomasKeller: I was able to run 'ping' as a normal user, and it doesn't have the SETUID bit set
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11:55<orjan>MrFrood:
11:56<orjan>MrFrood: after advice yesterday, fixed a symlink to xsession, works fine now, thanks
11:57<blast007>ThomasKeller: hmm, actually, on a LiveDVD of the 8.0 release, I get 'Operation not permitted'. Maybe the one I had tried it on before that was a RC version of Jessie.
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12:39<dsmos>Does anyone know the upower command for power information?
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12:54<delparnel>ThomasKeller: Works ok for me.
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14:09<madmark>hi i'm new to backbox. need help on how to use it and related software.
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15:22<diasydios>Hello here
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15:23<jathan>diasydios: Hello.
15:24<diasydios>how are u ??
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16:09<clement>hi
16:11<musca>hi clement
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16:14<awal>How to edit X config file in terminal and be able to do search inside that file by words?
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16:15<awal>preferably not editing but something like what 'cat' do. so basically cat the file and be able to search inside the file
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16:16<blast007>awal: doesn't pretty much any terminal text editor have a find function?
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16:17<musca>awal: more, less, most are text pagers with search capability
16:17<blast007>but he said he wants to be able to edit it
16:18<awal>blast007: for edit I use usually nano but I dont wanna hit X key by error, almost if I edit / files . so I just want check what is inside that file
16:18<blast007>bleh, and the he says he doesn't want to edit it..
16:18<blast007>'less /path/to/file'
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16:18<musca>in less press / for search
16:20<awal>blast007, musca, ok thanks, less and more do the job. thank you
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16:25<musca>awal: my complete X configuration has four short lines of text. I suspect you have too much configuration ...
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16:26<musca>!empty xorg.conf
16:26<dpkg>Starting from Debian 5.0 "Lenny", /etc/X11/xorg.conf is often basically empty or non-existent, as X auto-detects your hardware and starts the X server accordingly, nothing to worry about. Ask me about <xorg config> and <xrandr> for ways to configure Xorg. See also <xorg manual config>, <xorg.conf.d>, <xorg hal>.
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16:27<hillhoppernew>Kernel sees gameport, but does not see gamepad *?*
16:27<awal>musca: by X i dont mean xorg, I mean a given file, any file, without specifying :)
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16:28<musca>awal: okay. zless (or most) for gzip-compressed changelogs
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16:29<awal>musca: ok, thanks
16:30<musca>yw awal
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16:31<hillhoppernew>analog gamepad not seen
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17:05<viccuad>Guys, is it possible to know if/when will gnupg2 package with gpg v2.1 enter the cycling distributions (testing, sid)?
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17:07<awal>viccuad: I don't think so. one way is checking periodically this https://release.debian.org/migration/accepted.html and https://packages.debian.org/unstable/main/newpkg
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17:09<awal>also https://packages.qa.debian.org/common/index.html for more info
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17:10<viccuad>awal: thanks
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17:12<dragonshardz>Does anyone here use Smuxi?
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17:12<dragonshardz>I need a little help with it and their channel is dead
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17:18<wesleyborges>Alguém ai pode me ajudar,como faço para ingressar uma maquina com o Debian 8,ao AD ?
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17:23<berto>wesleyborges: este canal é em inglês
17:23<berto>!pt
17:23<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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17:23<nmschulte>oh es portugues, not spanish. :(*
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17:23<berto>nmschulte: spanish does not have ç
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17:24<nmschulte>duly noted.
17:24<viccuad>what happens with spanish? are you waiting for some spanish people to join? xD
17:24<nmschulte>no, I /msg dpkg to t3ll spanish to wes
17:24<viccuad>oh
17:24<nmschulte>:/
17:24<berto>nmschulte: if you see ã õ ç, double consontants or words ending with -m it's probably portuguese
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17:25<berto>double 's' in particular, spanish does have double 'l'
17:25<viccuad>yep. spanish has ñ, and calalonian (region of spain) does have ç
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17:26<nmschulte>But, I'm not sure you can "join" e.g. Samba to Microsoft Active Directory like they're asking, can you?
17:27<berto>I don't know, I haven't been using that for years
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17:30<koosha>My laptop cannot resume after hibernation sometimes. This is so annoying. It's been like this since older version of Debian. Any solution?
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17:33<berto>koosha: what happens exactly?
17:33<koosha>berto: it tries to resume but it starts from scratch as if it was not hibernated at all.
17:34<berto>did you check the dmesg output?
17:35<koosha>no, but i don't thing it would be helpful
17:35<koosha>think*
17:36<berto>do you get to see if it tries to load the saved state at all?
17:37<koosha>yes it does
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17:40<somiaj>koosha: most likely an acpi/bios compadability. Is this an older or newer laptop? Also you should check /var/log/messages and various other logs since dmesg wont' have info from the suspend.
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17:41<somiaj>koosha: also pm-suspend has a log, check that. Though I think you'll see that it goes into suspend just fine. If that is the case it is a problem with the laptop knowing it resume. Sometimes a bios update can improve this.
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17:45<koosha>somiaj: thanks for the help
17:46<somiaj>koosha: does your laptop loose power during this time? Sometimes bateries depelate quickly even with supsued. I had a laptop that would eat though its battery in about 30 hours while susupended.
17:47<koosha>somiaj: no, I use power supply mostly
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17:49<somiaj>koosha: the cmos battery is good? I would first check for bios updates (one thing that is common to improve in bios updates is acip stuff)
17:50<somiaj>after that I would look up teh paticular laptop, see if it needs any tweaks to deal with suspend. Also check the bios for options. Sometimes this can help
17:50<koosha>somiaj: I guess CMOS is ok. my laptop is just about 2 years old.
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18:09<xeb>is there a simple way to rebuild a debian package when only a small change has been made in a single file?
18:09<xeb>debuild seems to do the whole shebang, and - well - ain't nobody got time for that
18:11<somiaj>!tell xeb about package recompile
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18:12<somiaj>xeb: most packages do modifications via patches and quilt. Realize that during the build patches are applied, but other wise than that just modify the file and rebuild.
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18:13*xeb smiles in a saintly manner
18:14<xeb>you appreciate, i'm sure, that in traditional build systems, if only a few .c files have been modified, then they are recompiled and the linker replaces them in the final binaries
18:15<xeb>is there a way to do this with debian packages?
18:16<xeb>because i've been recompiling qemu since the person who made your short trousers was a twinkle in the eye of someone else looking at someone else's short trousers
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18:20<cjac>I just upgraded my web server from wheezy to jessie and a bunch of my php code broke. is there a way to find out what went from being deprecated to being obsoleted during the jump from debian 7 to 8 ?
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18:23<abrotman>cjac: the PHP release noteswould have that
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19:13<Guest5641>español!!
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19:14<abrotman>!es
19:14<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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19:40<[Steven_M]>Does debian testing use systemd?
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19:40<SynrG>yes. debian stable uses systemd. why would testing use anything other than systemd?
19:41<SynrG>[Steven_M]: why are you interested in testing anyway?
19:42<[Steven_M]>that's a shame I don't like systemd, I hope it gets dropped one day.
19:43<SynrG>so did you come here with a support question, or just to complain?
19:43<SynrG>jessie allows you the freedom of choice. so does stretch.
19:45<[Steven_M]>Oh, that's good then :)
19:46<SynrG>release notes say how
19:46<SynrG>!release notes
19:46<dpkg>Release notes for Debian 8 "Jessie" are at http://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/releasenotes . See also <wheezy->jessie>, <install guide>.
19:47<cjac>abrotman: thanks. should I check /usr/share/doc/php5*/README.Debian.gz or such?
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19:48<dragonshardz>Is anyone here familiar with Smuxi?
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19:53<cjac>dragonshardz: yeah, I know the dev.
19:53<cjac>dragonshardz: /join #debian-cli or maybe #smuxi
19:53<cjac>yeah, meebey is on #smuxi
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19:54<abrotman>cjac: I meant the official php.net stuff
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20:03<magyar>hi, is there a caldav server available for jessie?
20:06<cjac>abrotman: oh, alright. thanks.
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20:13<Autofire>I was about to ask about installing a package from a previous version of Debian, but just as I connected to the channel, it occurred to me that I should try adding the source version to /etc/apt/sources.list...and it worked. :)
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20:40<dragonshardz>cjac: I've asked my question a couple times in #smuxi and had no response. I'll ask again though.
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21:28<ryouma>is it possible to make the file manager (not sure which one it is) come up in a size that is NOT larger than my entire monitor screen? the button is off screen.
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21:28<ryouma>is that fluxbox's fault?
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21:30<somiaj>ryouma: I think it is called thunar, and it doesn't rember the size when you close it?
21:30<ryouma>somiaj: apparently not
21:31<ryouma>nope, it doesnot remember the size
21:31<somiaj>ryouma: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2199677
21:31<somiaj>I got some hits, searching for 'thunar set window size'
21:32<ryouma>it has no menu, i don't know if it is thunar
21:33<somiaj>pacmanfm or something like that I think it another
21:33<somiaj>I forget which one use which, try 'dpkg -l | grep file'
21:33<somiaj>see if you can figure out its name.
21:33<ryouma>ps says it is not thunar. must be built in.
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21:35<somiaj>ryouma: sorry I read xfce, fluxbox I don't know which fm it would use by default. fluxbox is a wm and can use any file manager, figure out which one it is.
21:35<somiaj>i.e. as a window manager fluxbox won't have a default file manager.
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21:37<ryouma>probably built in to the application. this isn't a huge deal, though. no menus so it doesn't say.
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21:38<somiaj>ryouma: are you talking about the window that pops up when you want to open or or save a file?
21:39<ryouma>no, deluge
21:39<ryouma>i mean yes
21:40<ryouma>"move storage"
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21:40<ryouma>but it isn't a huge issue (my really big issue is trying to boot from my new internal hard drive; can't upgrade to jessie until i can do so :()
21:40<somiaj>I know that all my gtk apps have the same 'open, save, import' window that opens up and I can search though my file ssytem to choose the file.
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21:41<somiaj>not getting any decent hits for that in google though. But I do sometimes have that window be fairly big in fvwm.
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21:44<ryouma>i am always either in mouse mode or in keyboard mode, so when use a file manager, i am in mouse mode; resizing is both
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21:44<ryouma>or moving to get cancel ok on screen
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22:48<jeremy_>i have a problem
22:49<somiaj>jeremy_: I can't read your mind. (:
22:49<jeremy_>im trying to install ubuntu and i cant mount the iso or put it on a USB
22:50<somiaj>jeremy_: you may want to ask in #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net as this is a debian support channel
22:50<somiaj>!ubuntu
22:50<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
22:50<Ir0nsh007er>lol
22:50<somiaj>jeremy_: they should know the best way to use their iso images.
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22:53<Ir0nsh007er>somiaj i have trouble here debian 9.0 Stretch/sid iceweasel 38.0 flashplayer non-fre and papperflashplugin dosent work here ?
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22:53<somiaj>Ir0nsh007er: we should take this to #debian-next. But pepperflash only works with chromium.
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22:54<Ir0nsh007er>no iceweseal work too i see post somewhere but dosent work here
22:54<Ir0nsh007er>k ty
22:54<somiaj>Ir0nsh007er: we can continue in #debian-next
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22:55<Ir0nsh007er>ty
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