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---Logopened Fri May 22 00:00:57 2015
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00:32<k-man>is there some way i can test if a file in /etc/cron.d is at least valid?
00:32<k-man>or even get some debug info as to why its not running?
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00:33<unb3k44n7>I'm new here.
00:34<k-man>hi unb3k44n7
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00:46<k-man>can you put a symlink to a cron file in /etc/cron.d ?
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00:49<hdon>k-man: hi
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00:51<k-man>thanks hdon
00:51<k-man>still not working though
00:51<k-man>oh wait, you can't have . in the name can you?
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00:52<k-man>yeah, thats it
00:52<k-man>damn it
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00:53<somiaj>k-man: any reason you want the link? And since your putting a link it doesn't have to be the same name as the original so omit the dot
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00:55<k-man>somiaj, yeah, i have a few scripts related to my backup process that I want to keep together in a directory and put it in under version control
00:55<k-man>somiaj, yeah, i did just that
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01:11<jm_>looks like debian security is still refering to chromium as chromium-browser although there's no such package in jessie
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01:13<somiaj>jm_: where are you seeing this, I see chromium in jessie/updates in s.d.o
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01:15<jm_>somiaj: the mail that was sent out, i.e.
01:16<somiaj>jm_: that is the name of the source package it appears, not the binary package.
01:16<somiaj>though I'm not seeing that seuciry update, must be very new.
01:17<jm_>somiaj: yeah it is new, and it is correct binary package name for wheezy
01:18<somiaj>even the current version in security is using chromium-browser as the source packgae. It generates the correctly named binary packages.
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01:19<somiaj>so I don't see an issue with that name, they probably just saw no reason to change the source package name.
01:20<jm_>there's little point in telling people to update the chromium-browser package in jessie as there is no such package name
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01:21<somiaj>well I'd report a bug then, as I can see your point.
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02:56<himanshu>apt-get install node.js will install node.js on my system?
02:56<himanshu>I did apt-get install nodejs and it worked to
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02:56<himanshu>yea node.js
02:56<QRSong>you can apt-get --reinstall install
02:57<mgv>himanshu: the package is named nodejs not node.js
02:58<himanshu>it is giving me something to install on both node.js and nodejs as well.
02:58<himanshu>how is that?
02:58<mgv>apt-get install node.js will install the packages that match the regex node.js, that is all packages of the form node-js...
02:58<mgv>such as node-jsv node-jsdom node-jsconfig etc
02:58<mgv>"." in a regex matches any single character, - in this case
02:59<himanshu>okay I am starting with a first application of node.js.. how should I proceed..
02:59<mgv>try a node.js channel
02:59<himanshu>I was told on #Node.js not to use apt to install it
02:59<himanshu>not a good way
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03:00<jm_>note that #debian won't support installations not done using apt
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03:14<daemonkeeper>Can journald be used as destination for a syslog server?
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04:19<kurt>I'm having problems setting up the Primus system for the Optimus nvidia/intel gpu on my laptop, I was wondering if anyone here could help?
04:19<dpkg>The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian in <testing> and <wheezy-backports>. #bumblebee on
04:19<jm_>so try the wiki page
04:21<kurt>I tried Bumblebee, first try it went horribly wrong lol. Second try it kinda worked... it did not install the nvidia-settings for me, I had to install it myself manually after. Then Once doing that nvidia settings would not detect my nvidia was horrible I could not change any settings for my nvidia gpu..there was also no real way it would show me which GPU was in use or not for me to verify it was was so horrible lol
04:22<kurt>I then found a site talking about Primus which apparently gives better performance than bumblebee and it also had screenshots of it working with the nvidia-settings gui and an easy switch button to switch between intel or nvidia
04:22<kurt>so I kinda wanted to try Primus if anyone here knew how to get it working as the instructions I found were for ubuntu and don't seem to be valid for my distro :(
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04:31<kurt>Guess there's no one here who can help with Primus or Bumblebee issues then, I'll try back here later. For now will have another look around and see what I can do without messing up my install again >.<
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04:32<centrx>kurt, America/Europe's afternoon/evening is the sweet spot
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04:32<centrx>kurt, Also there is another #debian on
04:32<kurt>Ok, thanks! I will try later in the daytime then
04:33<kurt>ahh ok
04:33<kurt>thanks :)
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04:34<kurt>cya will be back later if I can't get this thing working still
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05:04<EmleyMoor>Under wheezy I used to run two iaxmodems from inittab. They don't seem to be working any more under jessie... is there a "new" way I need to follow to make them work?
05:06<jm_>probably do it via systemd ala getty@tty1.service
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05:06<EmleyMoor>jm_: Where do I set that up/
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05:07<jm_>EmleyMoor: something like this, as an example 'systemctl show getty@tty1.service'
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05:08<jm_>I'll be back later
05:08<EmleyMoor>Is there no initntab to (this) translation?
05:11<EmleyMoor>I'm actually on the verge of withdrawing this... so that's why I'm really looking for "simple"
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05:13<EmleyMoor>I really can't understand this, at all
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05:17<himanshu>Im not able to send message to #mongodb
05:17<himanshu>it says I should register
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05:21<UsecAgo>got a 127 exit from a simple script, what is it?
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05:22<SynrGy>UsecAgo: there's no universal mapping for exit#s above 1. read the script and find out what it is.
05:22<EmleyMoor>Found a way to start the modems themselves... but they need faxgettys running too...
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05:24<SynrGy>UsecAgo: ah, except i'm wrong about that.
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05:28*EmleyMoor is seriously stuck - can't see how to enable faxgetty at all
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05:31<EmleyMoor>If the links I'd been offered earlier were more "Debian", it would help
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05:33<himanshu>can I not use the nick Im using here on different channel?
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05:33<himanshu>I am trying to speak in #mongodb here it automatically took my nick to be himanshu_
05:33<petn-randall>himanshu: /msg nickserv help register
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05:34<himanshu>himanshu_ is of someone else's
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05:36<himanshu>I cant edit it out on that channel by clicking on it..
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05:39<UsecAgo>SynrG, thanks
05:40<UsecAgo>cause I cheked the scrpipt and the c source of the program called there and there are just 0 or 1 as exits
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05:41<jm_>you can add "set -x" to shell script to see what's going on
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05:43<UsecAgo>jm, I'm calling it from java and the scirpt has "ó" (o acute) in the name perhaps that's the reason
05:45<jm_>UsecAgo: as in ó? should normally not be an issue, but you can strace the app to see what really happens
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05:50<EmleyMoor>How many geographical "broad area" codes are there (3-5 digits including initial 0) at present?
05:50<EmleyMoor>Erk, wrong window
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05:56<EmleyMoor>I'm really stuck on this modem issue - managed to get the modems themselves started now but they won't answler without a faxgetty - and I cannot make anything from the instructions I've got... I need instructions, as "Debian" as possible, on how to set up gettys...
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05:57<jm_>debian is not in any way special about the way systemd is used in it
05:58<EmleyMoor>Well, I still can't make head nor tail of it
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05:59<jm_>maybe try #debian-systemd
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06:01<SynrGy>i'm using NetworkManager to set up a VPN for the first time. how do I arrange things so that: 1) DNS lookups normally go to the DNS server on my lan and 2) failing over to the VPN's DNS server if the lookup fails (and if i can do this, will that mean there's a big delay in doing lookups that fail over?)
06:02<Apollo>There is no such thing as "lookups fail"
06:02<Apollo>either the DNS server responds, or it doesn't
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06:03<SynrGy>yes. but i think you know what i mean. i have two LAN domains, the local one and the remote one. I want DNS lookups to succeed for both
06:03<Apollo>That's not how DNS works
06:03<SynrGy>so you're saying what i want is impossible? fine
06:03<SynrGy>i'll use /etc/hosts
06:04<SynrGy>i had thought there was a way to forward requests that a DNS server could not handle on its own
06:05<Apollo>Yes, but that's done on the DNS server
06:05<Apollo>not on the client
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06:05<SynrGy>so let's say i install a DNS server on the same host as the PPTP client ...
06:06<SynrGy>is there any provision for NM to instruct it to alter its configuration to handle this sort of DNS arrangement dynamically?
06:06<SynrGy>i.e. only while the VPN is up
06:06<SynrGy>this is essentially what i was after
06:06<SynrGy>i do understand a bit about how DNS works :)
06:06<SynrGy>even if my language is muddled
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06:07<SynrGy>for a small home local network this many not be worth the effort, though.
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06:09<Alcapote>Hi, anyone succeed to have the networl on a windows vm with xen (dist Jessie) ? On Wheezy I have no problem :(
06:09<SynrGy>i'm willing to accept the /etc/hosts solution, but am curious if there's a better solution out there, especially as I need to write some local doc for our users at work, handling potentially three (or more) different client OSes accessing the VPN
06:09<Apollo>Alcapote: you need to specify a specific network emulation
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06:10<Alcapote>Apollo: Yes I have you can find my problem with the details here:
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06:12<Apollo>You need the hvm drivers I recon
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06:12<EmleyMoor>OK, if systemd is not different in Debian, why is there no /usr/lib/systemd/system?
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06:14<jm_>that's very similar to /etc/systemd/system
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06:15<EmleyMoor>jm: Actually, /lib/systemd/system seems to be where it is on mine
06:16<jm_>EmleyMoor: indeed, I found it strange that there was so little in /etc, this explains why
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06:18<EmleyMoor>I think we're all still learning with this...
06:18<jm_>pretty much yes
06:19<jm_>your other option would be to get rid of systemd, but it might take something you use with it and who knows how long that approach will work
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06:20<jm_>also maybe searching for "convert inittab entries to systemd" mgith find something directly relevant
06:20<Alcapote>Apollo: Do you know a package which contains the drivers I need ?
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06:22<Apollo>Alcapote: its on the windows side
06:22<peter1138>Is that mgetty-fax?
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06:23<Alcapote>Apollo: Hmm ok I try this thanks
06:23<EmleyMoor>peter1138: No, faxgetty (as in hylafax)
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06:24<fchmmr>Hi, is the person who administrates "" in this channel?
06:24<Guest6025>Hi, I was playing around with american fuzzy lop and reading the documentation. There was a page with jpegs, and when I navigated to it the screen went black and I was logged out of my desktop session. (I am on jessie). I wonder if I should file a bug, and in that case which package. iceweasel? Here is the link to the page, click the "click here" link to get to the page that crashed my session.
06:26<jm_>Guest6025: did you check ~/.xsession-errors after this happened?
06:26<SynrGy>Apollo: no further ideas? i proposed /etc/hosts as the 'final' solution to our net admin that i will document. ugly as it is, i can't see our users having the expertise to set up a local DNS server with forwarding (autoconfigured or otherwise) on their PPTP client nodes, across multiple client OSes, no less
06:26<dedi>I have just installed debian 8 xfce, no audio in quod libet, but in vlc, the audio works...
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06:28<Apollo>SynrGy: or just put the DNS on the VPN endpoint...
06:28<Guest6025>I do now. it does not seem to contain anything related.
06:28<SynrGy>Apollo: elaborate? not sure what you have in mind
06:29<jm_>that's rather odd if you were logged out ...
06:29<Apollo>SynrGy: you install the DNS server on the VPN endpoint, add the lan domains there, do forwarding for everything else
06:29<SynrGy>a primary need is 'foo.worklocaldomain' lookups work, and 'foo' unqualified should resolve into 'worklocaldomain' by default.
06:29<fchmmr>Bank holiday is so annoying.
06:30<Guest6025>I am booting my laptop which also runs jessie, will try the same thing in a minute.
06:30<SynrGy>Apollo: yes, but which endpoint? if you mean the work end of things, that's already set up
06:30<fchmmr>I found out today that Monday next week is a bank holiday. That's one of those days when the people I want to do business are in bed.
06:30<SynrGy>Apollo: my problem is *also* handling at the same time, resolving 'foo.homelocaldomain'
06:30*fchmmr doesn't take breaks on Bank Holiday.
06:30*fchmmr takes breaks at other times instead, or whatever he feels like it.
06:30<SynrGy>Apollo: by 'VPN endpoint' you mean the work VPN gateway?
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06:31<fchmmr>Being forced to take a day off is annoying.
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06:31<fchmmr>sorry, wrong channel
06:31<fchmmr>I was meant to put that in a channel inhabited mostly by British people, who know wtf I'm talking about.
06:31<Apollo>SynrGy: yes
06:32<SynrGy>Apollo: there's no practical way for it to be able to resolve names for all possible client local networks
06:32<SynrGy>if that's what you were hinting at
06:32<dedi>but there is no error message...
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06:33<dedi>the seeker moves but no audio/sound
06:35<jm_>dedi: try finding out which devices both are using
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06:35<EmleyMoor>All running now but no reply... was very helpful
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06:36<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... hylafax isn't running
06:37<dedi>i think both use same device...
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06:38<EmleyMoor>dedi: It's not faxgetty that isn't running
06:38<EmleyMoor>One *is* the device, the other is its getty
06:38<paul_>Hi, did it again! xsession is empty. but /var/log/messages contains interesting stuff.
06:39<dedi>EmleyMoor, I dont understand...
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06:39<EmleyMoor>dedi: Clearly not.
06:39<jm_>EmleyMoor: dedi is not talking to you :)
06:39<dedi>jm_, both use same device, i think..
06:40<jm_>dedi: think or did you check?
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06:40<jm_>I said ~/.xsession-errors, not ~/.xsession though
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06:41<EmleyMoor>Ah - right... sorry
06:42<paul_>Yes, sorry, I meant ~/.xsession-errors. I renamed the file to .old and there is no info. but /var/log/messages contains this interesting thing:
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06:43<paul_>May 22 12:35:14 tonfisk iceweasel.desktop[28508]: Corrupt JPEG data: 1 extraneous bytes before marker 0xe0
06:43<paul_>May 22 12:35:14 tonfisk iceweasel.desktop[28508]: Corrupt JPEG data: 4 extraneous bytes before marker 0xc4
06:43<paul_>May 22 12:35:14 tonfisk iceweasel.desktop[28508]: Corrupt JPEG data: 8 extraneous bytes before marker 0xc4
06:43<paul_>May 22 12:35:14 tonfisk iceweasel.desktop[28508]: Corrupt JPEG data: 16 extraneous bytes before marker 0xc4
06:43<paul_>May 22 12:35:14 tonfisk iceweasel.desktop[28508]: Invalid SOS parameters for sequential JPEG
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06:43<dedi>jm_, on vlc
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06:46<dedi>jm_, on quod libet, i got no idea how to check...
06:46<paul_>Hi, sorry for pasting. I got kicked out. look at this link:
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06:47<jm_>dedi: doesn't it have preferences or anything similar?
06:47<dedi>preferences yes, but cant find where...
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06:48<jm_>paul_: ahh for gdm try looking in ~/.cache/gdm/session.log or somesuch
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06:50<jm_>but yeah it does point out to something abruptly exiting
06:50<dedi>jm_, should i install another app?
06:51<jm_>dedi: to do what?
06:51<dedi>like another music player...
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06:52<jm_>ahh well use whatever suits you
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06:54<jm_>I've seen people praise clementine player
06:55<dedi>jm_, fix it, i install gstreamer1.0-alsa. dont why i need to install that, i already have gstreamer0.1.0-alsa but need to install gstreamer1.0-alsa..
06:55<dedi>*dont know
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07:02<QuentinQuestion>Hello everybody.
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07:04<QuentinQuestion>Quick question. Am i free to remove the packages task-desktop and task-cinnamon-desktop after installation if needed, or will that break something?
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07:05<centrx>QuentinQuestion, You can remove them, correct
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07:05<QuentinQuestion>thank you!
07:06<centrx>QuentinQuestion, You may find that opens up some packages that would be removed with apt-get autoremove, but you can ignore that if you want, just don't use autoremove (or you can set the other packages as manually installed)
07:06<QuentinQuestion>It came up when I told synaptic id like to remove nouveau...
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07:07<QuentinQuestion>I'll reboot now and see if i can get above 800*600 then.. hehe
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07:09<QuentinQuestion>And finally I managed to install that proprietary nvidia driver without killing everything. hurray
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07:12<QuentinQuestion>Quiet sad that that card doesn't work with free drivers at all
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07:12<QuentinQuestion>(equaling at all with stamp size resolution and glitches...)
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07:58<himanshu>We dont have the latest version of mongodb for jessie in the repos
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08:00<bruce_>Hi, I have a vm that runs on squeeze, when I try to upgrade, the proposed packages are from wheezy and not squeeze, the sources.list used contains only squeeze repos
08:02<bsirius>what are you trying to upgrade
08:03<bruce_>I'm just doing a apt-get upgrade bsirius
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08:04<jm_>squeeze is older than wheezy so it's not an upgrade
08:05<bsirius>care to post uname -a and sources.list to pastebin including the output of apt-get upgrade
08:05<bsirius>btw did you do apt-get update first?
08:05<bruce_>bsirius: yup
08:05<petn-randall>bruce_: Can you show us the full output of 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' and also the output of 'apt-cache policy'? →
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08:11<bruce_>hmm, sorry my problem is more specific than what I said earlier, forgot to add that i'm using a specific sources.list with -c when upgrading, the only files that contains any references to wheezy repos are in sources.list.d which should be ignored while using "-c"
08:11<jm_>bruce_: man page says both default and your config files are loaded so ...
08:12<petn-randall>bruce_: Then show that, too.
08:12<Alcapote>bruce_: look if you have a file in /etc/apt/preferences.d/
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08:48<peter1138>Bah, converting LXC to KVM is quite a pain :(
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08:56<rfreeman-w>how do you configure your firewall? just run custom script that loads some options from your own custom /etc/ settings?
08:57<peter1138>With iptables-persistent
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09:02<rfreeman-w>so it's normal to do it "by hand" still? just making sure. ok :)
09:03<peter1138>Use what you like, tbh.
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09:03<peter1138>On a machine with a desktop, a GUI tool might be appropriate.
09:03<Apollo>firewalld on rhel or shorewall
09:03<Apollo><3 shorewall
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09:09<orjan>Hi, since update to jessie I have on previously stable hw got lockup ( screen, mouse and keys ) and after about 5 s a reeboot. Different msg in logs som no clue there. Hints, docs to read?
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09:25<orjan> Hi, since update to jessie I have on previously stable hw got lockups ( screen, mouse and keys ) and after about 5 s a reeboot. After the boot the screen is scrambled before redraw. Different msg in logs som no clue there. Hints, docs to read?
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10:32<jonatasP> need to run a script before shutdown in debian 8. In debian 6, i only inserted a script in rc0.d/ and nothing more.
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10:32<jonatasP>How to do this in Debian 8?
10:34<Xylon>is there a way to disable iceweasel from asking me if I want to install Adobe flash player (I never plan to install Adobe flash player)
10:34<somiaj>jonatasP: you probabaly should have used update-rc.d in debian 6, but either way. In jessie the default is to use systemd, so you want to write a unit file, since this isn't a .service I'm unsure the best file to write for systemd
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10:34<somiaj>jonatasP: I would look up 'systemd shutdown script'
10:34<somiaj>Xylon: don't go to sites with adobe on it, or maybe some addblock will block those requests.
10:34<p0rk0ff>Xylon: some flashblocker?
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10:36<Xylon>hm yes a flashblocker should do it
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10:42<lavamind_>hello, since about 10 days, running apt-get dist-upgrade on my wheezy system seeks to install the systemd package along with a handful of related others
10:43<lavamind_>I'd like to understand why that is, as running apt-get upgrade instead reports that my system is up to date
10:43<somiaj>lavamind_: that is because you have 'stable' in your sources.list and not 'wheezy', this also means you have probabaly partially upgraded to jessie
10:43<petn-randall>lavamind_: Can you show us the actual output? →
10:43<somiaj>lavamind_: so can you share your sources.list with us, and you are probabaly half way upgraded to jessie.
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10:44<jonatasP>somiaj: Thanks for your reply, can anyone help me to create a service to make this en debian 8
10:45<somiaj>jonatasP: as I said look up 'systemd run shutdown script'
10:45<lavamind_>somiaj: this is my sources.list
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10:46<lavamind_>petn-randall: this is the output
10:46<peter1138>debian-500-i386-netinst.iso ... hmm, probably don't need that any more...
10:46<somiaj>lavamind_: okay so this is worse than I thought. Why are you mixing jessie and wheezy sources. That is probabaly your issue, even with pinning you may start pulling in core stuff from jessie
10:47<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
10:47<Brigo>jonatasP, inasmuch as systemd is sysv compatible, you can try to make the script in sysv and test if systemd port it sucessfully
10:47<lavamind_>somiaj: that's not the issue, here is the output from "apt-cache policy systemd"
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10:48<lavamind_>somiaj: the candidate version is from wheezy, not any other sources, I'm confident about my pinning setup
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10:48<somiaj>lavamind_: yes it is the issue, you have something that you are upgrading that is installed from jessie that is then in turn depending on something that pulls in systemd. Don't mix releases and as the factoid said, we won't even try to support it.
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10:49<somiaj>i.e. something in your mix is making your system think it needs to install systemd, run either fully jessie or fully wheezy to get support. Also learn to backport things you need instead of mixing sources.
10:49<lavamind_>somiaj: alright, thanks
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10:49<jonatasP>somiaj: thanks, i will try this
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10:49<somiaj>just because it pulls in the wheezy systemd is only due to your pinning, but it is the jessie software taht is most likely the culprit pulling in systemd because wheezy didnt' have the systemd-shim pacakge.
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10:52<lavamind_>somiaj: I think it may be because of a misconfigured unattened-upgrades
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10:53<kaystrobach>hi guys
10:53<lavamind_>somiaj: but I'm trying to find out which packages
10:53<kaystrobach>is there any way to avoid the logjam issue with debian 7 and the apache webserver?
10:54<kaystrobach>SSLOpenSSLConfCmd DHParameters "/path/to/dhparams.pem"
10:54<kaystrobach>is not working and pasting the dhparams behind the certificate is not an option
10:54<kaystrobach>as it does not worked out as well :(
10:54<kaystrobach>more information:
10:56<petn-randall>kaystrobach: How small is your ephemeral DH keysize? If it's 1024, it's still enough for a while.
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10:56<kaystrobach>i tried 1024 and 2048 problem is that ssllabs reduced the ssl trust to level B and we need to provide atleast A or A+
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10:58<kaystrobach>sry, saw your message, but then it disappeared, as there was a connection problem :(
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10:59<petn-randall>kaystrobach: How small is your ephemeral DH keysize? If it's 1024, it's still enough for a while.
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11:00<kaystrobach>it is 1024 the default and only setting this old apache version can set, as far as i can say it's hardcoded in apache
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11:01<petn-randall>kaystrobach: How is it "not working"? Does setting that value actually throw a configuration error?
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11:02<kaystrobach>the setting is available sind apache 2.4, but i have the latest available apache for debian, which is Server version: Apache/2.2.22 (Debian)
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11:02<petn-randall>kaystrobach: I guess then the only option is upgrading to jessie.
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11:02<kaystrobach>so there wont be a fix for that? redhat backported a fix for 2.2.22
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11:03<petn-randall>kaystrobach: I guess. But since breaking a 1024 bit key is still very theoretic, it's not critical. I'm guessing there will be an update in the next few days.
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11:04<kaystrobach>problem is not the key length, but that all systems use the same dhparams
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11:04<kaystrobach>and breaking a known dhparam is easier and maybe worth the effort :(
11:04<petn-randall>kaystrobach: Well, the combination of both.
11:05<kaystrobach>according to quite some sites are affected
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11:08<petn-randall>kaystrobach: Can you link to the RHEL patch?
11:08<kaystrobach>will try to find it again, found it during my research, gimme a second
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11:11<somiaj>lavamind_: again we don't support mixing, as the issues can be difficult to track down. At this point I'd suggest either /msg dpkg partial-downgrade and downgrading all jessie packages to wheezy and removing the jessie sources, or upgrading fully to jessie.
11:11<kaystrobach>petn-randall there is also a debian patch
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11:12<lavamind_>somiaj: ok thanks
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11:17<kaystrobach>@petn-randall there is also a debian patch
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11:20<moffitt>Hey, does anyone know if it's possible to set a font config on a per-application basis? I don't mean configuring the program, but rather giving the program different "system settings" for fonts
11:21<petn-randall>kaystrobach: I'll forward that information, thanks.
11:21<moffitt>I have my system set up with hinting on, AA off, bitmap fonts all over the place. Fonts like the Liberation series look great since they have hinting instructions but many web fonts look bad because they do not.
11:21<kaystrobach>petn-randall: perfect!!! thanks a lot.
11:21<moffitt>I'd like to give my web browser anti-aliasing on with hinting off, while the rest of my system remains as-is
11:22<moffitt>assuming the web browser has no font config options of its own like that, I'd basically like to trick it into looking at an alternate set of font settings
11:22<moffitt>Is that something that can be done reasonably?"
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11:37<jack>I have installed debian 8 and something has happened to my screen all of a sudden. All the photos are contain negative pixal colors. I think something is up with my graphics card maybe. What should I do?
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11:38<jack>When I look under display in says that my display is unknown, but it has been working fine for weeks.
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11:42<jack>I was also wondering if installing multiple gui can cause any performance issues or if it just takes up extra space. I am trying out different gui and trying to find one that I like. Most of my computers are pretty old so I'm looking for light weight. Also, if anyone is willing to tell me, where is a good place to learn about customizing a gui ? I would like to learn how to make something like xfce look more appealing.
11:43<dondelelcaro>jack: should just be extra space
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11:44<jack>dondelelcaro: Thanks, what gui do you use? What do you think of xfce or kde. I come from windows and get a little annoyed with gnome, but visually it looks okay.
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11:47<somiaj>jack: cinnamon seems to be mentioned a lot for those who like gnome-shell but not the full gnome experience. There is mate as well, the gnome2 fork.
11:47<somiaj>jack: if you want light weight, I suggest building your own desktop. As in find a window manager you like and then configure it to mix/match the actual tools you need.
11:47<jack>somiaj: does cinnamon or mate use much ram?
11:48<somiaj>I have no clue. I'm a fvwm user (simple wm that I can configure to act like I want)
11:48<orjan> Hi, since update to jessie I have on previously stable hw got lockups ( screen, mouse and keys ) and after about 5 s a reeboot. After the boot the screen is scrambled before redraw. Different msg in logs som no clue there. Hints, docs to read?
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11:48<somiaj>but they do use less than gnome. mate would probably be less than cinnamon just due to it is gnome2 fork vs gnome-shell fork
11:48<jack>somiaj: okay I don't understand how do I build a window manager? Don't I have to start with one gui or another? Your saying I can build one totally from scratch?
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11:49<somiaj>jack: you dno't build a windowmanger, you install one. But a window manager is just that, it manages windows. So if you want the other features that are included in a desktop such as a file manager, an app to manage your network, system monintors and so forth. You install and configure what you want.
11:50<jack>so you're saying install debian without gui and then install a gui?
11:50<somiaj>jack: so a window manager does give you a gui, but it doesn't contain all of the integration like a gui for settings, a collection of common desktop apps. You then just install the apps you want. Sometimes you haev to build a custom menu, or configure the wm to startup apps at the start.
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11:51<jack>oh, so what are the names of the types of window managers? I have heard of openbox...
11:51<somiaj>jack: that is how I do, but no I'm saying instead of using a destkop (it is a full colleciton of stuff one of which is a window manager) is isntall a windowmanager on top of xorg (these will usually use far less memeorty than a deskto by default), then add only the extra software you want (which increases memory ussage, but usually not as bad as a desktop)
11:51<dedi>I want to make it quodlibet, which is my music player, how to find quodlibet executable(sorry for using that word:D)
11:52<somiaj>jack: openbox, fluxbox, fvwm, window-maker, ratposion, and many more. I think debian gives you at least 10 to choose from.
11:52<somiaj>dedi: you can use apt-file or to search though the file names in packages to find a paticular file name.
11:52<dedi>somiaj, I have installed quodlibet...
11:53<somiaj>jack: and has dondelelcaro said, except for harddrive space, you can install multiple different wms and desktops and they can just sit on your hd. They are only put in memeory if you choose to run/use them, so this allows you to test differnt things
11:53<somiaj>dedi: how did you install it? As a debian package from the debian repo?
11:53<jack>somiaj: thank you, I haven't thought of that.. It would be a great learning experience and a bit of fun too. I think I will try that. What would be a good source for learning how to build one like that?
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11:54<somiaj>jack: since it varies from wm to wm, pick one you like
11:54<dedi>i have installed debian xfce, and quodlibet is preinstalled in it...
11:54<somiaj>jack: I use fvwm because it is very customizable, but it also requires a lot of work learning how to configure it as its defaults are fairly minimial. openbox and fluxbox are ones that seem that many people like I hear of most often in here.
11:54<arand_>When debian is installed without an active root account (similar to ubu default), is this the same as simply "passwd -l root" post-install?
11:55<somiaj>dedi: dpkg -L packagename (will list all files in a paticular package, you can find the binary that way)
11:55<somiaj>arand_: it just disables root login via password and it adds the first user to the sudo group
11:55<somiaj>arand_: so really it is two things, locking the login for root and then adding a user to sudo group so you have some way to get back to root privalges.
11:56<somiaj>arand_: by default your primary user isn't added to the sudo group (unless you disable root login)
11:56<jack>somiaj: okay i will do that. One last thing if you have the time. What would be the difference in doing what you just suggested and following say the arch linux stuff. It sounds a lot like your suggesting arch linux.
11:56<orjan>jack: if you chose a desktop manager like xfce the you can install several window managers and switch at login
11:56<somiaj>jack: I don't know what you mean by the 'arch linux stuff'.
11:56<somiaj>orjan: doy ou mean a displaymanager like lightdm (not desktop)
11:56<somiaj>or slim, xdm, etc
11:56<arand_>somiaj: right, is that locking step equivalent to running passwd -l ?
11:57<jack>somiaj:well isn't arch linux all about building a distro just like you said to do?
11:57<somiaj>arand_: I belive so, I would have to double check. One second
11:57<dedi>somiaj, when i choose other it gives me
11:57<dedi>it gives me
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11:57<jack>somiaj: I am just trying to gauge if it would be better to just switch to arch if I were to go down that road. I mean since they are in the business of building your own distro.
11:58<somiaj>jack: I woudln't think of arch as building a distro, it is a distor that contains a collection of packages.
11:58<orjan>somiaj: well yes, the part that helps you to chose is the displaymanager, but you get one by installing lets say xfce
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11:58<somiaj>jack: but debian does give you the ability to install only the packages you want to use to customize your system to how you want it, if this is what you mean then yes it is simlar to arch, but most distros allow this. Debian provides you over 20,000 packages to choose from.
11:58<jack>somiaj: So debian isn't a distro that contains a collection of packages?
11:58<somiaj>dedi: the third line /usr/bin/quodlibet is the binary
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11:59<somiaj>jack: what? I just said debian gives you lots of packages, desktops, windowmanagers, and other software to choose from.
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11:59<somiaj>jack: install what you want. A desktop is just a predeinfed set of packages and integration between them.
11:59<dedi>somiaj, guess /bin/ stands for binary, right?
12:00<somiaj>dedi: up, and /usr/bin is where most debian packages will install their binaries
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12:01<jack>somiaj: I think I understand. So it really would be about the same thing. All I meant is that arch seems to have a lot of documentation about doing what you're suggesting I do. While debian would be more stable I suppose and have more packages to choose from. That is the only difference I am seeing...
12:01<somiaj>jack: but arch and debian don't really let you build your own distro, the distro is the framework in which you can install/remove/manager the different packages avaialbe.
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12:02<somiaj>jack: I would say a different set of packages to choose from.
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12:02<somiaj>jack: but yes there will be overlap and similarity. Many times the archwiki has useful info you can apply to debian (provided you understand what is configuring software)
12:03<jack>somiaj: I agree, I am using the phrase "build your own distro" in the wrong way. I just heard that somewhere sorry. I understand that I am only customizing a distro and not building it.
12:04<jack>somiaj: thank you for your time. I am going to give your suggestion a shot, thank you again.
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12:08<jack>I got another random question if anyone has a second. Is it possible to use any packages from one linux distro on a different if you were to compile it, not that I really understand how to compile all that well. I am just curious if it is technically possible. What about windows apps or is that what something called wine is for?
12:09<petn-randall>jack: Usually packages are compiled source code from the project + distro-specific packaging bits. If you want to install a piece of software that's not available in your distro, the way to go would be to install it from the project's ("upstream") source.
12:11<jack>I have read a few times that a major problem with debian, or at least something people don't like, is that distro-specific packaging bits. Is that true or am I off base?
12:12<jack>Something like debian tweaks too many packages or something like that. I don't really see what that means.
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12:14<jack>Alright, back to lurking :)
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12:20<petn-randall>jack: No idea what you mean. All distros package the actual software, otherwise it wouldn't be a distro.
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12:21<petn-randall>jack: Or do you mean changes /in/ the software itself? Yes, Debian has that, but I think it's not more than any other distro does, either.
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12:38<lavamind_>somiaj: for the record, my problem is only related to the fact that I have stable in my sources.list, not that I have a partially-upgraded system, see
12:38<judd>Bug in systemd-sysv (open, jessie, sid, stretch, wontfix): «systemd: dist-upgrade wants to install systemd with no dependencies»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2014-09-05; last modified: 2015-04-28.
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12:42<gavesc7>I'm having trouble with a PHP script, think someone can help me?
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12:42<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
12:43<gavesc7>I can't get to work the mysqli_num_rows check
12:43<gavesc7>it keeps giving me this error although the sql query is done: Warning: mysqli_num_rows() expects parameter 1 to be mysqli_result, boolean given in C:\xampp2.6\htdocs\cryptoshare\php\form\delete.php on line 8
12:43<petn-randall>gavesc7: Oh, it's about PHP programming. It's best if you ask in #php then.
12:43<dpkg>PHP is a scripting language. To install, ask me about <install php>. See also <php wants me to download still>, <php mysql>, <php userdir>, <phpmyadmin>, <php gd>, <pear>, <pecl>, <suhosin>, <xampp>. #php on, #php and ##php on
12:44<gavesc7>Ok, thanks I'll try
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13:15<dpkg>gaia1: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a !
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13:18<somiaj>lavamind_: that bug report just verrifies what I said, that you are mixing releases and that is not supported. Note how it was changed to a wishlist bug and given the tag 'wontfix', i.e. the bug is due to mixing releases, but not an actual bug in either release on its own. Basically if you choose to mix releases you are on your own and debian won't support you when you run into issues like this.
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13:21<somiaj>lavamind_: the suggested and supported way to get newer software from jessie on a wheezy system is backports. Though sometimes you need to make these yourself.
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13:23<SamB_laptop>somiaj: so what, it's not possible to even safely put multiple releases in sources.list, unless they're some subset of {testing, unstable, experimental}?
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13:26<somiaj>SamB_laptop: I would switch safe with supported. You can of course put multiple releases in your sources.list and try to pinn things, but when you start mixing/matching packages you will find bugs that are due only to the mixing.
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13:27<somiaj>but the bug report is that apt-get dist-upgrade's logic tries to pull in systemd in a situation where wheezy and jessie sources are mixed even though upgrade thinks everything is at the newest version.
13:28<SamB_laptop>systemd-sysv, or just systemd?
13:29<somiaj>"libaudit0 libcryptsetup4 libsystemd-daemon0 libsystemd-id128-0 libsystemd-journal0 libsystemd-login0 systemd"
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13:35<SamB_laptop>I'd think bug #760601 was more a bug in apt than anything to do with systemd itself ...
13:35<judd>Bug in systemd-sysv (open, jessie, sid, stretch, wontfix): «systemd: dist-upgrade wants to install systemd with no dependencies»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2014-09-05; last modified: 2015-04-28.
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13:36<SamB_laptop>despite what it's merged with
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13:36<somiaj>or a bug in some packge where the dependencies are causing the logic of dist-upgrade to differ from upgrade due to mixing sources
13:36<SamB_laptop>and despite however low-priority it might be
13:36<somiaj>as the bug says, if the jessie sources are removed it works just fine.
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13:37<somiaj>hence why it's a wontfix, though if someone does track down the cause, they can submit a patch.
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13:37<SamB_laptop>yes, but, why should just knowing about these older versions of packages make it do something weird involving only the newer packages?
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13:39<somiaj>SamB_laptop: feel free to invesgiate if you want. I still suggest make backports over mixing sources. This is just one of many 'bugs' one could encounter and why I suggest not mixing sources.
13:40<SamB_laptop>however, given that all it's doing is proposing to install systemd (not systemd-sysv!) and a few libs, it does look kind of like severity: wishlist even if that it *were* a supported configuration
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13:50<John_>How is everyone?
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13:52<bsirius>good, drinking budweiser, going out for a fag, how bout you John_
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13:55<John_>Just having a decaf coffee
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14:03<John_>Finished the decaf coffee
14:03<dedi>I install package A then it needs package B and also install package B. Now, I want to remove package A but it didnt remove package B. Is there any way to remove package B?
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14:06<dedi>I can say package B = the dependencies...
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14:11<John_>Me & dad don't know what puppy want
14:12<John_>I gave him a treat but broke it up in to two pieces
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14:13<John_>Puppy is taking paper to play with
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14:25<somiaj>dedi: did you run apt-get autoremove after you removed the main package, it should take the auto installs out now that they are no longer needed
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14:26<dedi>thanks, the command works...just remove the useless 3 packages...:D
14:26<dedi>somiaj, thanks...
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14:27<somiaj>dedi: note aptitude will remove the package when you remove package A, but apt-get requires you to run autoremove after
14:27<somiaj>dedi: that is if the packages are marked autoinstall correctly
14:28<dedi>somiaj, so aptitude is more effective than apt-get...
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14:29<somiaj>dedi: they do things differently. In this case I prefer apt-get's approach but that is just me
14:30<SamB_laptop>For some reason aptitude sometimes doesn't remove the no-longer-depended-on packages right away for me ...
14:30<somiaj>dedi: they both use the same data base and auto-flags (though depending on how you install things, sometimes things you don't really need get their flag removed. deborphan can help track those down.
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14:31<dedi>somiaj, I frequently install through synaptic, and remove it via terminal..
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14:37<somiaj>dedi: I think it is getting better but synaptic sometimes doesn't play nicely with apt-get/aptitude. I personally don't suggest it, but I know there is a lot of improvements since I last heard that.
14:37<dedi>somiaj, so it is better installing via terminal and removing via terminal too..?
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14:39<somiaj>dedi: yea looks like it integrates better. (:
14:39<dedi>somiaj, will install via terminal from now ..thanks
14:40<somiaj>dedi: I think you'll be just fine. In the end they all manage packages via dpkg. Again there are lots of improvments in synamptic since I last checked it out a long time ago.
14:41<s0m3f00l>Hello all, I have multiple AP's in my environment. Is it possible through WICD or Debian itself to set the priority at which the client selects an AP and as such adjust the level of signal hop priority? Thank you in advance for any help you can provide.
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15:04<kingsley>I'm test sid's kernel package.
15:04<kingsley>It has version 4.0 of the Linux kernel.
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15:05<kingsley>I seem to have found 2 or 3 bugs.
15:05<gius>hi all need some help
15:05<kingsley>I had to increase the limit of open files, and create /var/tmp
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15:06<kingsley>However, booting 4.0 hangs at BusyBox's prompt.
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15:07<gius>i upgrade my system from wheezy to jessie; all seems ok but an error occurs: the message "Desktop manager is not active" is dispalyed at constant rate
15:07<gius>any help will be greatly appreciated
15:07<kingsley>It complains about 1.) not being able to create /sys/kernel/uevent_helper, 2.) the boot device not existing, and 3.) module ehci-orion not being found in modules.dep.
15:08<kingsley>Suggestions welcome.
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15:09<kingsley>gius: Have you searched Google's indiced for "Desktop manager is not active"?
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15:10<kingsley>gius: For example, you might search for ...
15:10<kingsley>"Desktop manager is not active" solved | fixed | solution
15:10<kingsley>At least for me, the first link says...
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15:10<kingsley>" just opened up "Default applications for LXSession", then went to the "Core Applications" tab, then clicked "Reload" next to Desktop Manager. Fixed it instantly. "
15:11<gius>kingsley: yes all what I found talk about UBUNTU, XUBUNTU ect... nobody talks about DEBIAN desktop manager
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15:12<gius>kingsley: where do I find it?
15:12<kingsley>gius: I think I understand your concern.
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15:13<kingsley>But the problem may have the same fix in Debian.
15:14<gius>kingsley: ah ok; can you guide me?
15:14<kingsley>Debian uses the same desktop managers as other operating systems.
15:14<blast007>gius: is that system running Gnome?
15:15<gius>I tink i'using xfce
15:15<Poenikatu>Although I can connect to my local wifi with my laptop, my desktop gets no DHCPOFFERS. I've ensured that /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf are the same. What now?
15:15<gius>kingsley: giuseppe@debian:~$ wmctrl -m
15:15<gius>Name: Xfwm4
15:15<gius>Class: xfwm4
15:15<gius>PID: 4433
15:15<gius>Window manager's "showing the desktop" mode: N/A
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15:15<kingsley>gius: When do you see "Desktop manager is not active"?
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15:18<gius>kingsley: sorry
15:19<gius>kingsley: sorry for flood
15:19<blast007>for more than one line of text, use and then give us the resulting link
15:19<gius>i'm new to IRC
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15:21<gius>okm tanks
15:21<kingsley>gius: When do you see "Desktop manager is not active"?
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15:23<gius>kingsley; while my system is running every 5 min a popup windows appears with that error message
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15:23<kingsley>gius: Does the window say anything else?
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15:24<gius>kingsley: no, nothing else
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15:25<gius>kingsley: it is written in italian, howerver
15:25<kingsley>gius: Can you post a screen shot of your desktop and the pop up window at ?
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15:27<gius>kingsley: yes i have to wait it happens again
15:27<p0rk0ff>just out of curiosity, where can i see how debhelper bot works?
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15:29<gius>kingsley: ok done
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15:30<kingsley>gius: Please post the link.
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15:32<kingsley>molto bene
15:32<gius>kingsley: parli italiano?
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15:33<kingsley>solo Google translate
15:38<kingsley>gius: If you type
15:38<kingsley>$ dpkg -l | egrep pcmanfm
15:38<kingsley>can you see if a package with that name is installed?
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15:40<jack>Sometimes when I boot my computer all the colors are messed up! What is up with that?
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15:41<Poenikatu>Still no joy with dhcp connect for wlan0 on my desktop
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15:42<Poenikatu>The laptop connects Ok, two lines with DHCPDISCOVER and then a line starting DHCPREQUEST followed by DHCPOFFER
15:42<kingsley>gius: OK, thanks.
15:43<kingsley>gius: I think we may be getting closer to fixing it.
15:44<kingsley>pcmanfm is a package that is available in several operating systems, including Debian.
15:45<gius>kingsley: ok
15:45<kingsley> says it is related to the pop up window.
15:45<kingsley>gius: I think if you go to that web page and search for "pcmanfm", you will see how other people solved the problem.
15:46<kingsley>gius: PL?
15:46<kingsley>gius: Oops!
15:46<kingsley>gius: OK?
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15:47<gius>kingsley:ok I'll try
15:47<gius>many tanks
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15:49<kingsley>gius: Prego
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15:54<TreyH>brief help running update on a testing build: xorg-video-siliconmotion, xorg-core, xorg-vide-modesetting have unmet dependancies and suggested resolution is to remove modesetting and siliconmotion. Viable?
15:54<TreyH>Granted this build already has problems running brightness on the laptop display
15:55<kingsley>TreyH: Maybe.
15:55<TreyH>Don't want to restart the laptop to have no video :P
15:56<kingsley>TreyH: If I recall correctly, aptitude will also suggest other options if you press the right key.
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15:56<kingsley>Yes, I think that's a reasonable concern.
15:57<TreyH>I can keep xorg-video at the current version, I just didn't know if this was a shift to a different package
15:57<TreyH>Otherwise wants to drop xfce
15:58<kingsley>Maybe you already know about rescue CDs, but if not, there's a good one called SystemRescue that you can boot from to repair broken systems.
15:58<TreyH>I've got an older Debian Stable build on a different partition that I use to rescue if needed
15:58<TreyH>Still, my skill level, I'd basically just be reinstalling at that point
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16:02<TreyH>If it's prompting to upgrade xserver-xorg-core{b}, would that replace the modesetting driver?
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16:07<kingsley>gius: Have you fixed it?
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16:08<gius>kingsley: no
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16:10<TreyH>apt dist-upgrade doesn't complain nearly as much as aptitude does
16:11<TreyH>apt-get check
16:11<TreyH>wrong window :P
16:12<gius>kingsley: that ismy conf file
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16:16<orjan> Hi, since update to jessie I have on previously stable hw got lockups ( screen, mouse and keys ) and after about 5 s a reeboot. After the boot the screen is scrambled before redraw. Different msg in logs som no clue there. No common info from differnet lockups in logs.Hints, docs to read?
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16:18<kingsley>gius: Did you compare your config file to the working example in in URL?
16:19<kingsley>gius: Or, have you tried reinstalling the pcmanfm package (the web page suggests this too.)
16:20<gius>yes, but they are very different
16:20<kingsley>gius: One solution was removing the pcmanfm package.
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16:21*SamB_laptop hasn't seen much use of the PNG format for configuration files
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16:31<jack>So I think an update has messed with my graphics driver. I have a ati radeon or something like that and it I have no clue how to fix it. The colors are all messed up.
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16:34<jack>Anyone know an easy way of fixing graphic card drivers?
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16:36<towo`>jack, install firmware-linux-nonfree
16:36<jack>you mean change the .source list?
16:37<towo`>you have only to add contrib non-free to the existing lines
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16:37<jack>towo: I updated the source list I think, but it kept saying that I had duplicates. Can you use the nonfree and the main together or only one of them?
16:37<towo`>then apt-get update && apt-get install firmware-linux-non-free
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16:38<towo`>jack, no one knows, what you have painted in your sources
16:38<TreyH>FYI the video driver upgrade didn't seem to affect the system.
16:39<TreyH>Successful reboot, just in case anybody asks about update wanting to remove siliconmotion and modesetting
16:39<jack>I just added the security and non free stuff to the bottom of what was already in it.
16:39<zlatan>jack, you could paste your source.list here (via
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16:40<jack>zlatan: okay I will try to do that thanks
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16:41<s0m3f00l>Hello all, I have multiple AP's in my environment. Is it possible through WICD or Debian itself to set the priority at which the client selects an AP and as such adjust the level of signal hop priority? Thank you in advance for any help you can provide.
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16:42<jack>How do you select all in the terminal?
16:43<towo`>for what?
16:43<jack>i mean in nano
16:43<towo`>install pastebinit
16:43<birch>Hi all! Fresh 64bit Jessie Cinnamon install but I'm having some gpu firmware problems. Here's my Dmesg and here's my tech specs: paste in . Thanks! ping: abrotman
16:44<jack>I am trying to copy all the source.list but ctrl+a doesn't work in the terminal.
16:44<towo`>jack, or go to and upload the file directly
16:44<jack>okay thanks
16:44<towo`>jack, cat /etc/apt/sources.list | pastebinit
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16:46<jack>towo: I did it I think :)
16:46<jack>Neat pastebin
16:47<zlatan>jack, a messy source.list and you also have testing in it enabled
16:47<zlatan>are you on testing maybe?
16:48<jack>zlatan: um, I was just trying to find something to fix my graphics card.
16:48<jack>I am not smart enough to know what I'm doing... sad I know.
16:48<zlatan>jack, yes, but are you using testing or stable?
16:49<jack>stable, but I really don't know what the difference is except that I am willing to get "test" level updates.
16:49<jack>I was hoping that something in that list would fix the driver issue.
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16:49<TreyH>testing gives you newer packages faster, which is the only reason I use it, but I'm set up to use testing for all updates.
16:49<jack>I installed jessi 8 and it was working fine for a long time
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16:50<zlatan>jack, the line 23 shows that you have testing enabled so you maybe upgraded to it?
16:50<jack>could that of messed up my driver?
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16:51<jack>zlatan, if so can I revert stuff back or am I stuck reinstalling everything again?
16:52<jack>could I just put a # in front of it and pretend it never happened?
16:52<zlatan>jack, I don't think you need reinstalling anything - we will go step by step and see what is done
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16:53<zlatan>jack, when did you add testing part?
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16:53<jack>zlatan, I added it a, maybe when I installed jessi. however, I might of just turned it on today when I was trying to fix this driver issue or maybe it was on the whole time. I can't say for sure.
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16:55<jack>zlatan, should I turn off testing?
16:55<zlatan>jack, you use open source drivers or fglrx?
16:55<jack>I have no clue :(
16:55<zlatan>then I will assume open source one
16:55<jack>I haven't added any extra drivers.
16:56<jack>I tried to add one to fix the driver a minute ago but it wouldn't let me
16:56<jack>said my x something was to new.
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16:57<zlatan>jack, remove all lines except the last one and add there nonfree at the end
16:57<jack>zlatan, okay.
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16:59<zlatan>jack, non-free to be precise
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16:59<jack>zlatan, done.
16:59<zlatan>save it and do apt-get update (as root or use sudo)
16:59<jack>zlantan, I saved the source.list like you said.
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17:00<jack>zlantan, done it fetched a few bytes
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17:00<birch>Hi all! Fresh 64bit Jessie Cinnamon install but I'm having some gpu firmware problems. Here's my Dmesg and here's my tech specs: paste in . Thanks! ping: Abrotman
17:00<zlatan>now apt-get dist-upgrade (and cp to paste what it says)
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17:01<jack>jack@Caladan:~$ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
17:01<jack>Reading package lists... Done
17:01<jack>Building dependency tree
17:01<jack>Reading state information... Done
17:01<jack>Calculating upgrade... Done
17:01<jack>0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
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17:01<zlatan>birch, patient and abrotman is currently away
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17:02<jack>was I just kicked out?
17:02<zlatan>jack, use so you don't get kicked for flooding
17:02<jack>zlatan, do I need to paste it again though?
17:02<zlatan>jack, anaway, apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree
17:03<zlatan>jack, no need, we saw it
17:03<jack>Its doing something!!!
17:03<jack>wait, possibly missing firmware???
17:04<jack>want me to cp this stuff?
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17:04<zlatan>jack, into
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17:05<jack>zlatan, got it
17:06<jack>Sorry it took so long. I am still learning this pastebin stuff.
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17:07<zlatan>jack, you can always select with mouse and the right click copy (or ctrl+shift+c)
17:08<zlatan>jack, no need to worry about the missing firmware message
17:08<zlatan>jack, do a reboot after installation
17:08<zlatan>and lets hope you didn't mess something up before
17:08<jack>zlatan, after what installation? did it install something?
17:08<jack>It just looked like it tried and failed to me...
17:08<zlatan>jack, firmware-linux-nonfree just now
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17:09<jack>zlatan, I did and it failed right?
17:09<jack>I made a hyerlink to it
17:09<zlatan>jack, I don't think it failed (paste the last few lines of process)
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17:10<jack>see it just stops after in fails... I think at least that is what happened...
17:11<TreyH>I'm no expert on linux either, but that looks like a warning, not a fail
17:11<zlatan>jack, meh, I think its fine (firmware messages are quite usual)
17:11<jack>k, so reboot and pray?
17:11<zlatan>jack, yep
17:11<TreyH>it's complaining about firmware for a network driver
17:11<jack>be back in a bit thanks!
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17:12<zlatan>TreyH, it is a warning (W indicates) and the messages states "possible missing" :)
17:13<TreyH>Just made me think he doesn't have a RealTek switch anyways
17:13<TreyH>er, not switch, but 10/100
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17:14<jack>Thank you!!!!!!!!!!
17:14<zlatan>jack, so it worked
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17:14<jack>zlatan,I think it did! let me go look at some pics to make sure.
17:15<jack>You're awesome!!!!
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17:15<zlatan>jack, debian is awesome, I am just a messenger
17:15<jack>zlatan, so I was using a bunch of stuff I shouldn't of had been?
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17:15<TreyH>sources.list can get messy sometimes and you have to go in and edit it
17:16<zlatan>jack, well source.list was messy and there was a potential you were using incomplete testing updates
17:16<TreyH>Just did that myself while you were talking about it, akshully. Had a bunch of old Wheezy stuff still in there
17:16<zlatan>jack, but I think you just didn't have the right firmware
17:16<zlatan>jack, anyway keep it stable and have a safe hacking
17:16<jack>zlatan, so it was trying to force updates that it couldn't handle?
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17:17<zlatan>jack, well that really depends what and how did you manage your updates
17:17<jack>and when you removed them it just stopped trying to update it and reverted back?
17:17<jack>I just do the apt-get thing once in a while.
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17:18<jack>I can barely install software. I mean i can, but I still a confused about some stuff.
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17:18<zlatan>jack, for inexperienced users it's better not to mix up version (stable | testing | unstable // experimental)
17:18<jack>zlatan, okay! I will just leave it as it is from now on.
17:18<TreyH>zlatan, unrelated question: should jessie-updates be in a sources.list for testing?
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17:19<jack>zlatan, I just read a thing that suggested that i add that stuff after I installed jessi.
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17:19<zlatan>jack, just don't change source.list anymore until you get experience and do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade from time to time
17:19<zlatan>TreyH, nope, no need if you are using testing
17:19<jack>k, thanks again! You're awesome! Saved many many many headaches!
17:20<zlatan>TreyH, also there is a channel for testing | unstable on #debian-next
17:20<TreyH>oh, cool
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17:20<TreyH>Just came for my one issue and decided to hang out and maybe learn something
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17:20<TreyH>Either this or watch Spongebob with the cuteling
17:21<zlatan>TreyH, that is a good way of learning
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17:48<abrotman>birch: I'm about to head out, but I know very little about nvidia/fglrx drivers. I'm a big proponent of Intel graphics whne you can use them
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17:49<birch>abrotman, i installed Mate instead. not a big deal as long as vlc works fine.
17:49<birch>working on getting the wifi to work now lol
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17:55<birch>Hey all, can't get my wifi to work. Here's my ifconfig
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17:59<zlatan>birch, there is not wlan in your ifconfig (do you have maybe a wireless switch turned off and what is in your network interfaces?)
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18:00<birch>zlatan, no hardware switch.
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18:04<TreyH>birch: Do you know what wifi card you have?
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18:05<birch>zlatan, TreyH here's my tech specs: paste in
18:07<birch>TreyH, zlatan I followed the wheezy instructions here
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18:09<zlatan>birch, paste us /etc/network/interfaces
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18:10<TreyH> I'm currently looking at
18:10<TreyH>birch, is this a laptop or desktop?
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18:14<birch>zlatan, TreyH It's a asus eeepc 1215t netbook. source /etc/network/interfaces.d/*
18:14<birch># The loopback network interface
18:14<birch>auto lo
18:14<birch>iface lo inet loopback
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18:15<birch>lol, just one line too many
18:15<zlatan>acer, your forgot he slash
18:15<zlatan>birch, yes, use for pasting
18:15<zlatan>birch, what is installed on mate for networking? (wicd or network-manager or something else)
18:16<birch>zlatan, network-manager
18:16<TreyH>birch, zlatan maybe look at lspci to make sure correct wifi package is installed
18:16<birch>TreyH, did you look at the kmuto link ?
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18:16<zlatan>TreyH, yep, we can assume that too :)
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18:17<zlatan>birch, install firmware-linux-nonfree and restart network-manager
18:18<acer>any info about debian install on acer apire one d255e stuck on it not recognize cdrom
18:19<zlatan>acer, why don't you try usb?
18:19<birch>zlatan, i installed, no effect
18:19<zlatan>birch, did you restart network-manager after installation?
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18:20<zlatan>birch, paste the "ip a" command
18:20<birch>zlatan, here's some dmesg output
18:20<acer>other deb distro install smooth just not straight debian
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18:20<birch>zlatan, TreyH
18:21<birch>zlatan, yes i did, as you can see in the dmesg output
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18:22<acer>I am using usb its a netbook it wont recognize cdrom and sends me to ash shell
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18:23<zlatan>acer, what image and how did you install it on usb?
18:24<zlatan>birch, ip link set wlan0 up
18:25<acer>64 bit multi use iso via unetbootin but has no live option only install my connection for wifi licks or I would try aneqw
18:25<birch>RTNETLINK answers: Operation not possible due to RF-kill
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18:26<birch>zlatan, RTNETLINK answers: Operation not possible due to RF-kill
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18:26<zlatan>acer, unetbootin often doesn't do the right job
18:27<zlatan>acer, use dd command
18:27<acer>i am begining to see that but i thought it was my dsl ?suggestions instead?
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18:29<zlatan>birch, I have the feeling that it's turned off by hardware - you said you have no switch but something like Fn + F4 (or wherever it is show wireless) to turn it on
18:30<TreyH>rfkill list all
18:30<birch>zlatan, i tried using that and it had not effect
18:30<TreyH>What I'm finding via internet searches
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18:30<birch>bash: rfkill: command not found
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18:31<acer>reading man page looks legit and alot easier
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18:32<birch>zlatan, TreyH so there is a hardware switch. here's what happens. If i press it then I can toggle between these states: "Wi-Fi is disabled by hardware switch" and "Wi-Fi is disabled"
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18:32<zlatan>acer, you can cp debian.iso /dev/sdX and after copying just type sync
18:33<zlatan>acer, of course you need to find which sdX is your usb
18:33<birch>zlatan, TreyH when it's "Wi-Fi is disabled by hardware switch" the checkbox for turning wifi on is disabled. when it's "Wi-Fi is disabled" the checkox is active, but click it has no effect on the wifi.
18:34<acer>Thanx zlatan
18:34<TreyH>birch: try sudo rfkill list all
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18:35<birch>TreyH, zlatan
18:35<zlatan>acer, also you can use dd if=debian-jessie.iso of=/dev/sdx bs=1M
18:36<birch>TreyH, zlatan no, when the wifi checkbox is active wlan0 does not show in ifconfig. after click the checkbox once, it again becomes inactive.
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18:37<zlatan>birch, run rfkill unblock all
18:37<TreyH>birch: I'm sort of playing background to this as I'm just taking potshots and zlatan is more experienced
18:37<acer>Treyh ifconfig wlan0 up?
18:37<birch>TreyH, gotcha
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18:39<TreyH>acer: rfkill is blocking it, which is what we're trying to resolve now
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18:41<zlatan>birch, well that is good, try now the ip command
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18:41<birch>zlatan, ip a?
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18:42<zlatan>birch, ip link set wlan0 up
18:42<acer>im going to explore using dd hopefully manage a proper install zlatan thanks again
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18:43<zlatan>birch, the other command I just posted it to you
18:45<birch>look at bottom zlatan
18:45<birch>zlatan, lines 18-19
18:45<TreyH>zlatan: phy0 is still hard blocked, suspect that's the problem
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18:47<birch>zlatan, TreyH I gtg I'll be on later. Thanks for the help :)
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18:48<zlatan>birch, you need to blacklist one wifi
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18:52<zlatan>birch, sudo echo "blacklist asus-wlan" > /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
18:52<TreyH>gotta head out myself, have a good w/e
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20:41<afh>Hi. Anyone else having unusually high memory usage with the latest releases of Iceweasel from jessie repos?
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20:42<petn-randall>afh: No, what is "unusual"?
20:45<afh>A session with 4 tabs is taking 1GB (out of 4 available). Maybe it's not all that unusual, but IIRC some updates ago it used to be lower.
20:46<afh>High CPU too (100%, out of 400%).
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21:10<petn-randall>afh: It depends on what webpages you load. Maybe one of the pages you regularly load added a ton of javascript.
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22:15<hullampour>is it difficult make debian fork
22:15<hullampour>does anyone have some tutorials?
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22:27<Ir0nsh007er>hullampour: google have
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22:29<hullampour>im trying to find but i can't
22:30<hullampour>do you have some useful links?
22:30<zykotic10>'cause that's what the world needs, another debian fork...
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22:32<hullampour>tnx :)
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23:38<dhaval>I want to have a portable debian usb disk that can run on multiple laptops. How do I manage the drivers for this thing? I mean if I install say firmware-brcm80211, will it install a generic driver for all chips? Also, how do I handle drivers for different chips?
23:40<somiaj>dhaval: For the most part all drivers are included in the kernel it is the firmware that is not in main. provides images with all the non-free firmware included. This should work on most machines. I still think the broadcom may need to be created from a firmware cutter.
23:41<gsimmons>dhaval: The firmware-brcm80211 package only installs firmware (not drivers) used by the brcmsmac and brcmfmac drivers. Those drivers are already supplied/installed as part of the Linux kernel.
23:41<somiaj>dhaval: if this is just a custom install you are booting off of a usb (live + persistance is sometimes superiour to this due to slow write speeds over usb), just install the firwmare of all the common devices
23:44<dhaval>Well, I installed off of a live USB so shouldn't that help? Also, right now, I have no touchpad drivers and while wireless works hostapd says nl80211 failed to initialize
23:45<birch> Hey all, trying to get some help with this. Thanks!
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