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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-05-29

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00:08<Pablo>Hola a todos! Tengo un inconveniente con el driver HP LaserJet P1006 Foomatic/foo2xqx (recommended) en Debian 8 y en 2 PC diferentes con la misma impresora una HP laser P1006.
00:08<Pablo>Descargue el driver Foo2xqx de la pagina, lo compilo y lo instalo pero cuando le envio a imprimir tarda aproximadamente 2 minutos en comenzar con la impresión.
00:08<Pablo>Tambien tengo otra impresora HP LaserJet M1120 MFP que utiliza el mismo driver y hace extamente lo mismo, responde luego de 2 minutos...
00:08<Pablo>En Ubuntu tenia el mismo problema pero "Milagrosamente" se resolvió de la noche a la mañana (Ni idea como) y esta utilizando ese mismo driver.
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00:09<Pablo> Hola a todos! Tengo un inconveniente con el driver HP LaserJet P1006 Foomatic/foo2xqx (recommended) en Debian 8 y en 2 PC diferentes con la misma impresora una HP laser P1006. Descargue el driver Foo2xqx de la pagina, lo compilo y lo instalo pero cuando le envio a imprimir tarda aproximadamente 2 minutos en comenzar con la impresión.Tambien tengo otra impresora HP LaserJet M1120 MFP que utiliza el mismo driver y hace extamente lo mismo, responde luego de 2 mi
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00:11<Pablo>Alguna idea de que puede ser? Cabe resaltar que cuando tengo que seleccionar el driver en el momento de la instalacion tengo como 5 renglones repetidos del mismo driver FOO2XQX, logicamente selecciono uno cualquiera de esos, aunque probe con los 5 y hace lo mismo
00:11<Pablo>:'(
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01:37<SHOTbyGUN>should compilation guide include virtual *-dev packages or real *-dev packages, what are the cons, if we change to real packages ? ref: https://github.com/jp9000/obs-studio/pull/431
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01:43<jm_>that's almost impossible to answer correctly for everyone I suppose
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01:56<SHOTbyGUN>I suppose virtual packages are better for old debians as backwards compatibility?
02:00<jm_>probably, you could add some generic note - pick the development package that matches your installed libcurl flavor
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02:01<SHOTbyGUN>alright
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02:45<nibbles>good morning
02:45<nibbles>I have some issues with my usb-headset
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02:45<nibbles>the volume is really low
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02:46<nibbles>and if I try to use alsamixer to increase the volume it crashes
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02:46<nibbles>cannot load mixer controls: Invalid argument
02:46<nibbles>im using debian jessie
02:47<nibbles> (technically lmde but thats debian jessie)
02:47<nibbles>anyone got any ideas?
02:47<jm_>!lmde
02:47<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
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02:48<nibbles>:-( ok
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03:14<mestia>a good theme for irssi for a light terminal ?
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03:30<Alissa>Is there a way for a shell script to detect if the current running shell is dash, excluding testing for all other shells?
03:31<jm_>why do you want to do that?
03:32<Alissa>I'm writing a user registration script but if a user is running /bin/sh - which now points to /bin/dash - I need to skip a segment, but I can't find a way to tell.
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03:34<jm_>as in skip chsh part?
03:34<Alissa>hm?
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03:36<jm_>if nothing else on Linux looking at /proc/$$/exe might help, or if it's not a symlink $0 might say dash
03:37<Alissa>Users are told to, when running the script, use "sh <(curl <scriptfile>)", so all we get is that it's "sh"
03:38<Alissa>can we tell where /bin/sh is aliased, though?
03:38<Alissa>or is that more suited for freenode##linux ?
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03:39<jm_>like I said, looking at /proc/$$/exe will show that, see also man readlink
03:40<Alissa>/proc/$$/exe spews random characters
03:41<jm_>readlink /proc/$$/exe
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03:41<Alissa>awesome
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04:44<p0rk0ff_>hi, i always wanted to ask this since i cannot find anyhing useful around... is there a way to install some packages on a different partition?
04:44<peter1138>Hmm, is suricata a drop-in replacement for snort?
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04:45<peter1138>(As snort is not available in Jessie)
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04:48<aborrero>peter1138: I thinkg they are ruleset-compatible
04:48<aborrero>think*
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04:51<jm_>p0rk0ff_: no, not without manually aranging things
04:52<p0rk0ff_>jm_: mhhh, with some symlinks you mean?
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04:53<jm_>p0rk0ff_: or bind mounts for example
04:54<p0rk0ff_>wouldn't it be a nice feature for apt to have a, let's say, --root-dir option, and let it doing all the work?
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04:55<jm_>what's the point? and it's not apt that does unpacking, it's dpkg, which already has --extract in dpkg-deb
04:55<p0rk0ff_>or maybe this is not a very common use case, so it wouldn't worth it
04:56<p0rk0ff_>jm_: the point is that i'm on a system with a very limited on-board store device
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04:57<jm_>p0rk0ff_: so try bind mounts or similar, in the past people also split partitions /usr /var etc but not sure on support status for /usr
04:58<shaila>Hey! I use Debian Jessie with Cinnamon desktop manager. "Root" user account is disabled, all administrative tasks are done by my user through sudo. Nevertheless, sometimes (not in all cases) when I try to make an action that requires administrative privileges, I'm asked for root's password, not my own. For example, it happens when I try to install an applet through Cinnamon's applet manager. Why is that and how can I change it? I've not been able to find an
04:58<shaila> answer on the Internet so long.
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05:02<p0rk0ff_>jm_: maybe i was thinking to something not feasible, but my idea is to install just some packages, with huge dependencies and which i don't need for long time, in a way that it doesn't impact the already installed system. so i was asking if there as a way to do that just for the packages specified for the installation in aptitude, along with an hypothetical option to set the root path
05:03<p0rk0ff_>that was my idea, it could be as easy as replacing each file with a symlink pointing to the root on the external device
05:03<jm_>p0rk0ff_: no, short of using dpkg-deb -x and I suspect that was added for chroot, in which case you can as well install it directly there
05:03<jm_>p0rk0ff_: that sounds like some other package managers but not dpkg
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05:07<jm_>i'll be back later
05:07<p0rk0ff_>mhhh ok thanks
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05:07<chemaher76>hi everyone
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05:17<f-a>hello, I have a problem with duplicated process, let me illustrate:
05:18<f-a>I start X with an alias `alias xsx=startx; quit`
05:18<f-a>in my .xinitrc I have a line like this `xss-lock -- xscreensaver-command -activate &`
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05:19<f-a>now, if I exit and enter x, I will see (using top) many processes named `xss-lock`, while ideally I would want to have just 1 of them. Is that possible?
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05:38<jm_>f-a: why don't you run xscreensaver directly?
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05:42<f-a>jm_: previous line on .xinitrc is `xss-lock -- xscreensaver-command -activate &`
05:42<f-a>sorry
05:42<f-a>`xscreensaver -no-splash &`
05:43<f-a>worked on wheezy but I had to add that line on jessie (systemd maybe?)
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05:48<jm_>f-a: interesting, so you are saying xscreensaver does not activate on its own without that line?
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05:49<f-a>yeah jm_
05:50<f-a>let me try this now
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05:50<jm_>f-a: have you tried changing the settings for it via xscreensaver-demo or by creating ~/.xscreensaver file for it?
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05:55<shaila>Any ideas why the system (Jessie with Cinnamon) keeps asking me for the root's password instead of my users's password for administrative tasks? Root is not enabled, I use sudo instead.
05:56<f-a>jm_: I have (I can paste .xscreensaver content if needed), but no dice. I think xss-lock is needed with systemd (or you have to rely on a solution like that https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1218771#p1218771 )
05:57<muep>shaila: likely polkit is not aware that your user should be able to perform admin tasks
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05:59<shaila>muep, sounds reasonable. Any suggestion how to make polkit aware of it?
06:00<shaila>muep, besides, it doesn't *always* ask for root's password. For some other administrative tasks I've been asked for my user's password.
06:00<muep>shaila: how did you make sudo aware of the need to allow your user to run stuff as root?
06:01<muep>shaila: perhaps the stuff that works for you uses sudo
06:02<shaila>muep, during the installation I did not enter root password. Then I was prompted that now my user account will be used for administrative tasks. I thought that would be sufficient.
06:02<muep>I think it would be good if that was sufficient
06:02<jm_>f-a: could be but it's strange it's not being killed, I suppose one has to do that manually when it's started manually
06:02<muep>no idea if it is
06:03<shaila>muep, allright, thanks.
06:03<f-a>thanks jm_
06:04<jm_>f-a: so add kiallall xss-lock before you start it
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06:04<muep>shaila: polkit in debian might be preconfigured to use membership of some group for selecting which users are admins
06:04<f-a>jm_: you mean, put it in my xinitrc, right?
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06:05<jm_>f-a: yeah, it would also be worth trying this if you use a DM to start X as I know it has been mentioned here several times that doing things the old way (i.e. not starting full session) could cause toruble with jessie
06:05<shaila>muep, my user is member of the groups: dialout cdrom floppy sudo audio dip video plugdev netdev lpadmin scanner bluetooth
06:06<f-a>jm_: thanks. What do you mean with "full session"?
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06:07<f-a>(also it worked)
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06:11<jm_>f-a: normally /etc/X11/Xsession but you can select a different one in dm, the best way is to use a DM and run pstree -l or somesuch
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06:23<earl_>join
06:23<earl_>como é mesmo que faz pra ir pra comunidade brasil?
06:24<earl_>#brasil
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06:29<petn-randall>!br
06:29<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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06:35<adhawkins>Hi guys. Is there any way to have the proposed-updates entry in sources.list, but only pick up a particular package? Pinning perhaps?
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06:44<marnold>adhawkins, yes
06:44<jm_>you can always pin on version if nothing else works
06:45<adhawkins>marnold: Cool, any pointers on how to do this? All the pinning docs I found seemed to be enabling you to get packages from different releases rather than different sources.
06:45<marnold>adhawkins, you use something like this in /etc/apt/preferences
06:45<marnold>hang on pastebin doesn't like me this morning
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06:48<marnold>adhawkins, http://pastebin.com/LBJjQzD6
06:49<marnold>replace the 'hello' with your target package
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06:53<adhawkins>marnold: Excellent, thanks for the help. Will give it a try.
06:54<adhawkins>What's the default priority for anything not listed?
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06:56<jm_>adhawkins: man apt_preferences, APT's Default Priority Assignments covers that
06:56<adhawkins>Ok cool, thanks, will do some reading.
06:57<marnold>the whole thing is worth a read
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06:57<adhawkins>Will do, cheers.
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07:00<Sally>Is there any way I can have my ip change say every 30 minutes
07:02<SynrGy>sounds suspicious to me. what's the use case
07:02<Sally>I am running a server and I am trying to make sure it doesn't get DDOSd
07:02<f-a>well
07:03<f-a>seems a weird solutoin to change IP frequently
07:03<Sally>I am just trying to find as many solutions as possible
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07:05<SynrGy>i think the secondary effects (interrupted in progress network conversations) would be a horrible thing to suffer for a dubious level of protection
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07:06<SynrGy>ip address changes can have huge propagation delays through DNS
07:06<SynrGy>your server would tend to be uncontactable a lot of the time
07:06<f-a>yeah
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07:07<SynrGy>if you're not convinced this is a bad idea, talk to ##networking @ freenode and brace yourself for ridicule and scorn ;)
07:07<Sally>I believe it is I was just wanting some insight on the situation
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07:08<Sally>Thank you guys
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07:08<SynrGy>in case of an urgent need to break an ongoing DDoS, i can see where triggering an IP change as an emergency countermeasure might give you some symptomatic relief ...
07:09<SynrGy>but otherwise, i don't see much value in it
07:09<Sally>Okay thank you SynrGy
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07:09<SynrGy>good luck in your search for better solutions
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07:10<SynrGy>rate-limiting certain kinds of connections might be a better line of investigation
07:10<SynrGy>depends on the vector used to DDoS
07:10<SynrGy>examine each application on the server and see what typical DDoS vectors are, then address each accordingly
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07:30<achn30>hello, am really in trouble my laptop is running on 71 °C ... i cant find TLP on jessie :/
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07:34<petn-randall>achn30: How are you measuring the temperature? Is this on an idle system?
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07:35<achn30>petn-randall, sensors tells me it's running on 72°C IDLE (acpitz-virtual-0)
07:36<petn-randall>achn30: Is the system so hot? It could also be a bogus reading.
07:37<achn30>petn-randall, it's really hot! there is a big difference
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07:38<petn-randall>achn30: What kind of system (CPU/GPU) is that? I think cpu power management is pretty solid nowadays, though there have been issues with GPUs in the past.
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07:39<achn30>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)
07:39<achn30>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Seymour [Radeon HD 6400M/7400M Series]
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07:46<achn30>can anyone suggest any link to configure power saving settings (debian 8 jessie) ?
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09:30<kblin>hi folks
09:30<MR>hi
09:31<kblin>if I want to set a persistent static route, is putting a "post-up /sbin/ip route add ...." statement in my /etc/network/interfaces still the way to go?
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09:35<adhawkins>marnold: jm_: Got that pinning stuff working. Managed to just pull the kernel update from proposed-updates which was exactly what I wanted.
09:35<adhawkins>Thanks for the help.
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11:39<p0rk0ff_>hi, if i want to use msmtp (an smtp client) with reportbug, is 'mta' option what i'm looking for in reportbugrc?
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11:41<frank___>moin all. is debian-security going to backport the logjam fix for apache2.2? (custom dh params)
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12:30<siberianwm>Hi. Looking for very experienced debian user (russian speaking) to ask some questions and help me make two graphic adapters Intel+geforce 850m GTX work on jessie with bumblebee. Will pay 500 rur to qiwi.
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12:37<Maulkin>!ru
12:37<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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12:45<siberianwm>!ru
12:45<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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12:51<enix>help
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12:52<enix>hi
12:52<blast007>!ask
12:52<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
12:52<enix>open ftp?
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12:53<blast007>enix: what are you trying to do?
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13:29<p0rk0ff_>reportbug crashed with: http://paste.debian.net/plainh/0441a87b
13:29<p0rk0ff_>i don't know if this is due to the configuration of the mta
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13:31<p0rk0ff_>mta is set to '/usr/bin/msmtp -a <my_account>' in .reportbugrc
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14:00<p0rk0ff_>well i think the mta variable should be a path without options
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14:19<rodrigo>uninstall vmware workstation
14:20<rodrigo>?
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14:22<blast007>!vmware
14:22<dpkg>VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported, ask me about <vmware support>. VMware is not in Debian because it is not Free software; even though you might be able to download it for no cost, the source code is not available for some parts and Debian is not allowed to distribute it, see <dfsg>. http://wiki.debian.org/VMware #vmware on irc.freenode.net. See also <virtualization>.
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14:23<stormfollower>Good afternoon. I have a question and I'm not sure if this is the correct place to ask it. I'm looking for help on building GCC 4.9.2 for debian sparc (native machine running 64bit kernel and wheezy), where should I actually be?
14:24<Maulkin>!sparc
14:24<dpkg>SPARC is the CPU architecture used in Sun Microsystem's proprietary hardware (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARC). To install Debian, ask me about <install guide> and see http://wiki.debian.org/PortsSparc ; the <sparc32> port has been retired and the sparc64 port has been removed from <testing> (bug #745938). For help with Debian on SPARC, join #debian-sparc on irc.oftc.net.
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14:27<stormfollower>Thanks
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14:31<rodrigo>someone speaks Portuguese
14:31<Maulkin>!pt
14:31<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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14:32<rodrigo>obrigado
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14:56<bienque>Hi, I found that I have "cdrom" and "cdrom0" folders in "/media/". How can I set Debian to completely ignore my CD ROM device which I never use?
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15:11<dutchfish>bienque, have you tried an /etc/fstab rule for the device with the option noauto,ro ?
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15:12<bienque>dutchfish: didn't try, gonna try
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15:13<dutchfish>bienque, that prevents autofs from using it, while it still can be manually mounted by root
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15:14<dutchfish>bienque, some created a special udev rule, but i dont know how they did it. At east it didnt work out for me
15:14<dutchfish>s/east/leat
15:14<bienque>dutchfish: seems like I already have noauto for /media/cdrom0
15:15<dutchfish>ah ok
15:15<bienque>dutchfish: this is what I have: /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0
15:15<dutchfish>bienque, the problem is that all removable device go to /media as there mountpoint
15:15<bienque>the "ro" is for root to be able to mount right?
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15:16<dutchfish>read only?
15:16<bienque>you're right
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15:17<dutchfish>bienque, i think it should be noauto,ro,nouser,noexec
15:17<dutchfish>bienque, for your purpose
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15:22<bienque>dutchfish: thanks, I'm gonna reboot
15:22*dutchfish x-ses fingers
15:22<bienque>;) brb
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15:33<bienque>re
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15:33<bienque>I was only able to login as root when I boot
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15:36<blast007>bienque: is that a new problem?
15:36<bienque>not really cuz I fixed it, but now I have a root account which didn't exist before
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15:38<dutchfish>bienque, to disable root access again `sudo passwd -l root`
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15:40<dutchfish>bienque, make sure sudo works for your users account tho
15:40<bienque>yep fixed it ;)
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15:43<bienque>brb
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16:11<gryps>any bash gurus here?
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16:11<gryps>i have an input file which has lines like: /some/path/* column2 column3 column4
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16:12<gryps>i'm getting the columns with while read line; set -- $line; ... ; done
16:12<gryps>the issue now is the wildcard, it gets expanded during the set ... how can i prevent that from happening?
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16:14<tremon>gryps: try #bash on freenode
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16:14<cheeky>I am new to linux
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16:14<gryps>tremon: thanks
16:14<cheeky>tough learning a new system
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16:15<cheeky>I have an issue with a hacker
16:15<cheeky>kept rooting my windows systems so I switched
16:15<cheeky>he is on facebook....look up freeware sys
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16:16<blast007>cheeky: are you having a problem with Debian Linux?
16:16<cheeky>I need to install wine but my system keeps acking my for root password which I dont know
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16:16<cheeky>debian
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16:16<blast007>what command are you running?
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16:17<cheeky>I used sudo passwd root
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16:17<blast007>to install wine, I mean. If you're using sudo, it would be asking for your user password.
16:17<cheeky>hmmm...let me check arain
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16:19<cheeky>wants administrator
16:19<cheeky>dont have it never have
16:19<blast007>what command are you running?
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16:19<cheeky>I tried to install from packages and I used sudo passwd root
16:20<blast007>why are you trying to set a root password?
16:20<cheeky>as the passwd for the administrator of which there is none...my pc
16:20<blast007>sudo apt-get install wine
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16:20<cheeky>from a terminal window?
16:20<blast007>yeah
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16:47<variuss>hi can anyone help me with shutdown issue? I have debian stretch amd64 and i can't shutdown my laptop from xfce4 session lcd and led indicators are still up
16:48<variuss>when i run kde and use systemctl poweroff all is good
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17:25<WildMinion>Hi all! I want to install Debian 8.0 in a Hyper-V machine (for testing purpose) with EFI enabled, and seen that Debian needs the kernel modules for Hyper-V [ -> https://packages.debian.org/fr/jessie/hyperv-modules-3.16.0-4-amd64-di ]. As the warning message says ... can i load the modules within the Installer?
17:25<WildMinion>It seems there is no support if i install it after a fresh install
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19:24<MayrD>Hello everyone, I just installed Debian 8 with the default settings and I am getting a strange "loading" icon. I have a SS to show the icon: http://imgur.com/lgwFhjP
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19:24<MayrD>Does anyone here knows if it is already a known issue?
19:25<retrospectacus>where and when does that appear?
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19:33<MayrD>on Files
19:33<MayrD>When I try to search for something
19:33<MayrD>But i almost sure ive seen it somewhere else too
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19:44<bienque>Hi, I don't know why the root account has been created on my computer (it has never exist before as I didn't set any password for root during OS install). I still have to enter my password if I want to log in as root so should I have to worry about sec issues?
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19:48<frv>bienque: root account is always created even if it has no password.
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19:50<bienque>frv: but before when I used "sudo su" it never show me the "root@debian" prompt, and I had kind of an error message saying it doesn't exist or something.
19:50<bienque>now when I do it I got the root@debian prompt
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19:52<SynrGy>first, 'sudo su' is incorrect. use sudo -i. second, no password for root is a valid configuration
19:52<SynrGy>i don't understand the "so should i have to worry about sec issues?" part of your question
19:53<frv>bienque: Could you precise the before and after ?
19:53<SynrGy>and before and after what?
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19:55<SynrGy>if the root account exists and has no password, nobody can login as root. you can only become root via sudo.
19:55<SynrGy>so there's no security problem there.
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19:57<frv>bienque: In a normal debian install you should have been asked for a root password (and then for a user name/password)
19:57<frv>bienque: on other distros things may be differents (like ubuntu)
19:58<bienque>SynrGy: yes that's it, there was no password before and it was impossible to log in as root, and I used sudo everytime for commands that need it. But now I'm able to log in as root.
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19:59<bienque>frv: on Debian you can skip enter a password for root at install, like SynrGy said
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20:00<frv>bienque: That's not what SynrGy said.
20:01<SynrGy>it's what SynrGy would've said.
20:01<SynrGy>the installation guide covers this
20:01<bienque>frv: for the before/after here it is: I added "ro" to options on "/dev/sr0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto,noexec 0 0" in /etc/fstab because I add problem with my CD/DVD rom
20:01<SynrGy>frv: what i said was "having no root password is a valid configuration" (and in that case, sudo is set up)
20:01<bienque>and since then, the root access was enabled
20:01<SynrGy>it has been this way for several debian releases :)
20:02<SynrGy>since woody or so? i forget
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20:03<bienque>frv: http://blog.linoxide.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/debian8.png
20:03<bienque>third paragraph
20:04<bienque>so in my case that's right, the root accound didn't got "created" as it exists anyway, but for the reason I evoque just before it got "enabled".
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20:05<SynrGy>two things, the directory /root always exists, and 'root' is in /etc/passwd, so "the account is disabled" in that screenshot just means logins to it
20:06<SynrGy>it doesn't mean the root account doesn't exist
20:07<SynrGy>bienque: i have no idea what you mean by "enabled"
20:07<SynrGy>did you set a password on it? if you did, it is "enabled" in the sense that the screenshot you showed means it
20:07<SynrGy>if you didn't, it is not enabled
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20:08<SynrGy>also, i don't see what adding "ro" to options on /dev/sr0 has to do with anything ...
20:09<SynrGy>it's completely unrelated, so far as i can tell
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20:11<SynrGy>bienque: if you can't furnish actual error messages or output that shows a legitimate problem, i'm afraid we can't help. so far, you haven't done that.
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20:11<bienque>SynrGy: thats not a problem
20:12<bienque>there is no bug as far as I can tell
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20:12<bienque>the thing is root account is now enabled but before was disabled.
20:12<SynrGy>prove it
20:12<bienque>?
20:13<SynrGy>1. 'disabling' doesn't mean deleting. the /root directory always exists and 'root' is present in /etc/passwd.
20:13<SynrGy>2. you claim it is now 'enabled' on the basis of some mysterious error you had before that you haven't shared
20:13<SynrGy>3. *prove* there's a problem. show us errors. output. *something*
20:13<bienque>I never said there was an error
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20:14<SynrGy>20:50 < bienque> frv: but before when I used "sudo su" it never show me the "root@debian" prompt, and I had kind of an error
20:14<SynrGy> message saying it doesn't exist or something.
20:14<SynrGy>^^^^^^^
20:14<SynrGy>short memory?
20:14<bienque>...
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20:14<bienque>It's the message you got when you try to login as root but you can't because it's disabled
20:14<SynrGy>no. that's wrong
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20:15<bienque>yes that's true.
20:15<SynrGy>if you say 'sudo su' (which is incorrect, by the way. use sudo -i) and enter your own password, then you should see a root prompt
20:15<bienque>nope :)
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20:15<SynrGy>so prove it with output
20:16<SynrGy>otherwise, there is no issue.
20:16<bienque>alright I'll try to make an install
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20:17<SynrGy>bienque: the only case where it won't give you a root prompt is if you're using a user that wasn't the initial user created when you installed the system, *or* you actually did enter a root password when you installed
20:17<bienque>no.
20:17<SynrGy>nothing 'enables' root other than setting a password for root
20:18<bienque>I didn't enter a root password when I installed the OS
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20:18<SynrGy>so a few different possibilities, then: 1. you are not a user authorized to sudo or 2. you are a user authorized to sudo but entered the password incorrectly.
20:19<SynrGy>3. ? (other finger or vision problems ;)
20:20<frv>bienque: I could have miss but could you give the debian version you use ?
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20:21<bienque>Jessie
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20:21<bienque>exactly: 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt9-3~deb8u1 (2015-04-24) x86_64 GNU/Linux
20:22<SynrGy>bienque: try this command but do not paste results here: grep root: /etc/shadow
20:23<SynrGy>bienque: if it starts with root:*: then root is not 'enabled'
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20:23<SynrGy>bienque: if it starts with root: followed by a password hash, then root is 'enabled'
20:24<SynrGy>but the only way it gets that way is if you set a root password
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20:25<bienque>SynrGy: I never set a root password at install, only a user one.
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20:26<bienque>SynrGy: it starts with a hash
20:28-!-mode/#debian [+l 726] by debhelper
20:28<SynrGy>so, root:$6$afsdjkflasfsdfa...
20:28<SynrGy>should go on for quite a number of characteres
20:28<SynrGy>characters*
20:29<SynrGy>if that's the case, root currently has a password.
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20:30<SynrGy>bienque: the command you claimed caused this cannot cause it. so start looking for some other reason it is set.
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20:30<bienque>SynrGy: I have: root:!:43189:0:77899:5::: (I changed the numbers)
20:30<SynrGy>possibilities: 1. you set it but forgot 2. you set a password for some other account, but made a mistake and set it for root instead.
20:31<SynrGy>root is disabled, then
20:31<SynrGy>'!' is not a password hash
20:31<bienque>alright
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20:31<bienque>so why am I able to "sudo -i", type my user pass and login as root?
20:31<SynrGy>so your root account is not 'enabled'
20:32<SynrGy>everything is normal there.
20:32<SynrGy>you couldn't administer your system without it
20:32<SynrGy>there must be some way to become the superuser on your system. how else would you upgrade it, e.g. to apply security updates?
20:33<SynrGy>so when you don't set a root password when you install (as that screenshot tells you) sudo is enabled
20:33<SynrGy>the one you linked before
20:34<SynrGy>"and the system's initial user account will be given the power to become root using the "sudo" command" it says
20:34<SynrGy>^^ that's the answer to your question.
20:34<SynrGy>and the correct way to do this is with 'sudo -i'
20:34<bienque>SynrGy: exactly, I use sudo, but I wasnt able to use "sudo -i" or "sudo su" and then having the "#" root access. I always had something like a warning or error message, which I'm trying to reproduce in a vm right now to show you
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20:35<SynrGy>you could get a warning or error message *if* you're not doing it *as the initial user* that was created by debian-installer at install time
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20:35<SynrGy>or if you were that user, but typed your own password incorrectly
20:36<bienque>got you, but I'm always using the very own user I created at install ^^
20:36<SynrGy>ok. and that user always has the power to become root
20:36<bienque>agree
20:37<SynrGy>you seem to think it was a "feature" that getting a shell was "disabled"
20:37<SynrGy>that was never the case
20:37<SynrGy>if you weren't getting a shell before it was for some other reason
20:37<SynrGy>the poewr to become root means you can get a shell
20:38<SynrGy>power*
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20:40<bienque>it seems that you are right as I can't reproduce the same in a vm
20:40<bienque>but I swear I wasnt able to be root by using "sudo -i" or "sudo su" before. but when using sudo for some commands such as apt for eg
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20:42<SynrGy>we would have to see it again to troubleshoot
20:43<SynrGy>again, this is a bug, not a feature :)
20:43<bienque>SynrGy: but what's the point of having "root" disabled, if I can just login in it using my user account password?
20:43<bienque>whats the difference with a "root" enabled?
20:43<SynrGy>so long as there's not a valid password hash in the second field of /etc/shadow for root, nobody can login as root. if your concern for security was that maybe someone could login as root, you have nothing to fear
20:44<SynrGy>well, if you have a password set on root, someone could brute force that
20:44<SynrGy>because people don't use root as often, they sometimes write it down, sometimes insecurely ...
20:44<SynrGy>or choose stupid/easy root passwords
20:44<bienque>but that person could just brute force my only user account password right? and then just do "sudo -i" and use that password? its kind of the same no? :/
20:44<SynrGy>these things weaken security of the system. so for noobs, it may be better to just have one password to remember, your own password, and make it a good, strong one
20:45<SynrGy>it's not the same
20:45<SynrGy>due to infrequency of use of the root password
20:45<SynrGy>so different habits regarding choosing it and protecting it
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20:48<SynrGy>bienque: people can more readily remember a strong password if they use it regularly.
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20:49<SynrGy>bienque: if you choose a root password that you can easily forget because you don't use it often and then write it on a yellow sticky applied to your monitor ... you see the problem? :)
20:49<SynrGy>or worse, use 'abc123' or 'secret' so you don't forget it ...
20:53<bienque>yea got you
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22:30<TheCthulhu>How would I make a server a gateway. I have 1 virtual machine installed with a regular ipv4 address, but is also installed as part of a local IP network. I want to create a second virtual machine which can only access the internet through the first machine, so it will have a local IP but not an external one. How do I set this up?
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22:32<boydmcree>just installed debian my first time, had a screen ask for a disk of a nonfree driver, how do i find out what driver it is that debian required
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22:38<AzulKapir>is it common to cp dotfiles from home folders to root to have proper settings? like .vimrc etc...
22:38<Nemoder_>boydmcree: it should tell you the filename for the missing firmware
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22:40<boydmcree>it did but I didn't write it down
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23:01<AzulKapir>nobody?
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