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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-06-03

---Logopened Wed Jun 03 00:00:13 2015
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00:01<virtual>ryouma: good job. etckeeper is awesome. :)
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00:01<ryouma>BUITRE: hey you're getting closer to typing in lowercase!
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00:02<BUITRE>first before install any distro you must have for sure if the md5sum matches and i prefer to download from a torrent to get an iso. from multiple sources
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00:06<BUITRE>anybody know how to configure the repository so . hell, im leave brains
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00:14<virtual>really not sure what his question was.
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00:52<ryouma>dunno
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00:55<anatol>exit
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00:59<virtual>ryouma: I asked earlier about whether you were in the US or not, because if not, you might want to change to a different mirror for your sources.list entries.
01:00<ryouma>right
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01:05<ryouma>so it seems i can either search and replace or just throw the new servers in
01:05<ryouma>i wonder what the default sources.list looks like if you install
01:07<ryouma>on second thought, i don't know why i should keep jessie-backports
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01:08<ryouma>s/keep/have (for updating)
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02:36<ryouma>how come httpredir.debian.org is not on https://www.debian.org/mirror/list ?
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03:07<saib0t>!hi
03:07<dpkg>hello, saib0t
03:08<saib0t>i'm looking for a soft that will allow me to know wick website people on my network visiting
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03:09<saib0t>mostly wifi
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03:34<attila>can anybody help me? my debian8's update manager does not show update since i upgrade the system from debian 7.8
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03:35<rjsalts>attila: cron job is disabled?
03:36<saib0t>attila, waht about an fresh instalation ?
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03:36<jm_>do you have proper entries in sources.list?
03:37<attila>daib0t: the system has update-notifier
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03:38<attila>rjsalts: how can i check cron job is disabled or enabled
03:39<attila>jm_: yes, updating is successful manually
03:39<rjsalts>attila: rgrep "APT::Periodic::Enable" /etc/apt/
03:40<rjsalts>attila: or rgrep "APT::Periodic" /etc/apt/ would probably be better
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03:43<attila>rjsalts: first command output is empty, second: i cant understand, what to watch?
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03:44<rjsalts>attila: read the comments at the top of /etc/cron.daily/apt to interpret what you're seeing
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03:59<attila>rjsalts: in the output there is row: 'APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists "1"', but i have not 'APT::Periodic::Enable "1"', should this?
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06:26<f-a>hello. I have a an application (mnemosyne) that should playback audio file but when it does it produces no sound
06:26<f-a>from the dependencies I see (jessie): python-qt4
06:27<f-a>is there a quick way to check whether this is a qt problem? i.e. a simple way to test sound playback on qt4
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06:35<jm_>probably qt's examples for audio are the simplest way to test it
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06:37<f-a>jm_: is that prepackaged?
06:38<jm_>f-a: probably one of the files in qt4-demos
06:39<f-a>thanks, let me check
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06:41<jm_>search found AudioOutput class for multimedia so quick grep would show which one make use ofit
06:44<jm_>when should it play a sound?
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06:45<f-a>jm_: if you have mnemosyne open, add a card, add a multimedia file (C-s), try the card out
06:45<jm_>f-a: naah just looking at sources and trying to figure out where to look for it
06:46<TuomasKotamaa>I just got kicked for that last message.
06:48<SynrGy>yes, but you've rejoined now on the wrong network
06:48<SynrGy>we were talking on freenode
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06:48<petn-randall>TuomasKotamaa: You sent that to #debian on freenode (a.k.a the "other" #debian channel).
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06:51<f-a>jm_: uhhh mybe I got something. when I launch /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/qt4/bin/./qtdemo and then select audio output I get "could not launch example, make sure it has been built"
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06:53<f-a>(audio output is under "multimedia")
06:53<jm_>f-a: why are you starting that instead of /usr/bin/qtdemo?
06:54<f-a>because I don't have a /usr/bin/qtdemo (debian jessie)
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06:55<jm_>ahh I see, I am still on wheezy
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06:56<jm_>f-a: for me it starts /usr/lib/qt4/demos/qmediaplayer/qmediaplayer for example
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06:57<f-a>thanks, let me check
06:57<jm_>can't find Multimedia anywhere :)
06:57<f-a>[09e15710] pulse audio output error: PulseAudio server connection failure: Connection refused
06:57<f-a>[09efa868] pulse audio output error: PulseAudio server connection failure: Connection refused
06:57<f-a>[09efa868] core audio output error: no suitable audio output module
06:57<f-a>woops sorry for the paste
06:57<jm_>heh there you go it's trying to use PA
06:57<f-a>that's the culpirit! I have alsa!
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07:04<root>nick RainbowDash
07:04<root>#nick RainbowDash
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07:04<f-a>jm_: happen to know whether it is possible to switch from PA to alsa?
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07:08<jm_>f-a: I never used PA but found this https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-40190 so it may be a limitation of Qt and maybe debian enables PA for it
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07:13<f-a>thanks for your help jm_, looks a uphill battle for me if it is really like that. I will check and possibly file a bug and ask for help in the ml, can't believe I am the only alsa user needing qt in the whole debian userbase!
07:14<jm_>f-a: that post has a link to debian bug too so someone already filed it and if I understand it correctly, qt5 resolves this but that's of little help for you now
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07:15<f-a>maybe upstream released a new version
07:16<planetmaker>I just ran into a nasty surprise on my debian wheezy install which drives my jenkins build server: after an apt-get update; apt-get upgrade the java version is not sufficient for the updated jenkins anymore: https://paste.openttdcoop.org/p6fnc80yo
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07:19<petn-randall>planetmaker: That's not a complete sources.list for wheezy, and likely you updated jenkins?
07:19<petn-randall>planetmaker: Can you show us the last entries of /var/log/apt/history.log?
07:20<petn-randall>!tell planetmaker -about wheezy sources.list
07:20<jm_>planetmaker: and there's java7 in wheezy too
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07:23<planetmaker>https://paste.openttdcoop.org/p5euwdjzr <-- it's this. The upper entry is result of finding java7 which I'm installing now
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07:24<zhanshan>what's the easiest way to make a quick screenshot in xfce?
07:26<planetmaker>petn-randall, it is... though indeed there's a separate entry for jenkins like this: https://paste.openttdcoop.org/p0dwyhii4 - And that explains it, I guess :)
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07:30<zhanshan>ok got it xfcde-screenshooter, so easy
07:30<zhanshan>sorry!
07:33<petn-randall>planetmaker: You'll have to ask the jenkins folks then. I'm guessing they updated their repo to support jessie, but forgot about wheezy.
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07:39<blast007>planetmaker: you're still missing a line from your /etc/apt/sources.list
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07:40<planetmaker>blast007, no, I'm not. What should I be missing?
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07:41<blast007>you have two lines. there should be three.
07:41<blast007>read the factoid that dpkg sent you
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07:49<petn-randall>planetmaker: What blast007 said, you're missing the security updates repo.
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07:51<blast007>security is there, but not wheezy-updates
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07:53<planetmaker>beats me why it wasn't there. However, I added it for future. And with switch to java7 it all runs smooth now again anyway :)
07:54<planetmaker>also time to move to jessie soonish :)
07:55<planetmaker>just want an up2date system for dist-upgrade
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09:19<iamrohit7>my laptop always operates at 800MHz(as shown by cpufreq-utils). it can operate upto 1.8MHz. how do i push it higher?
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09:26<jmlongo>I think that would be acomplished from your laptop's bios
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09:32<iamrohit7>jmlongo : my bios is fine. it's clock speed is higher
09:33<iamrohit7>i mean it also shows clock speed and its higher
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10:27<live>hi
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10:55<teward>is there no way to update the dh params for apache2 on wheezy?
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10:57<peter1138>You can probably get away with disabling the DH ciphers.
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11:01<teward>peter1138: that's not my original question
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11:02<teward>nor was it my question. (I had considered disabling the DH ciphers but apparently on this web server we have really legacy apps that don't support ECDHE yet)
11:02<teward>(so disabling DHE ciphers and leaving ECDHE would explode things)
11:02<petn-randall>teward: Why do the apps have to support that?
11:02<teward>petn-randall: you're asking the wrong guy, i was told the apps have to support that :/
11:02*teward grumbles
11:03<teward>the bureaucracy of the workplace means i have to find solutions within what people above me tell me :
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11:03<teward>if it were me we wouldn't be using apache, but it's also not my call there
11:03<petn-randall>teward: apache 2.2 doesn't provide that option, and it's unlikely that it will be backported. If you're concerned about an adversary to crack your 1024 bit DH key, then you can upgrade to jessie.
11:03<teward>petn-randall: that's on the radar for potential solutions, but I wanted to confirm that 2.2.x doesn't provide that option
11:04*teward sometimes hates the bureaucracy of the workplace
11:04<teward>thanks
11:04<teward>(if it were my call everything would be on nginx which has supported ssl_dhparams since eons, but meh)
11:04<peter1138>teward, no.
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11:04<petn-randall>teward: Last time I checked it was the case, but that was a few days after the logjam publication. It might be that apache has moved and will provide a backport.
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11:05<teward>petn-randall: i know RHEL backported, but IDK whether that's the case anywhere else. *shrugs*
11:05<petn-randall>teward: If that's the case, talk to the folks in #debian-security, they might be interested.
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11:08<teward>petn-randall: i will after lunch... i haven't eaten all day so i'm STARVING (and i've been up for 9 hours so far) Apparently RHBA-2014-1386 is what did the backport for RHEL6, and apache 2.2.15, but meh...
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11:11<Reals>Hi, I'm running debian 8 and the file /etc/default/bind9 seems to be ignored. I was told it had something to do with systemctl can anyone help? Thanks.
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11:27<Brigo>Reals, any more clues?
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11:27<Reals>I'm in the #systemd channel they seem to understand
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11:28<Brigo>systemctl just manage services, so i cannot see how it can modify the bind9 behaviour. Unless the unit file itself.
11:28<Brigo>Reals, in freenode?
11:28<Reals>yeah
11:28<Reals>the problem is the /etc/default/bind9 file is being ignored
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11:38<trico>how do i log in to debian live cd?
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11:39<squidblacklist>lol
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12:09<Reals>Brigo: u still around?
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12:09<Brigo>Reals, yes, i am.
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12:09<Brigo>but i don't know how to solve the chroot problem.
12:10<Brigo>Reals, if i would run bind9 in a chroot, i will use a container (lxc).
12:11<Reals>I don't understand why it wouldn't work?
12:11<Reals>its getting a shut signal I'm guessing thats from systemd
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12:18<Reals>even if I take out that -f in the bind9.service file
12:18<Reals>it fails
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13:45<N0oBz>i've been installed rkhunter
13:46<N0oBz>and run the command rkhunter --check
13:46<N0oBz>and Debian 8 give me this error msg
13:46<N0oBz>Invalid SCRIPTWHITELIST configuration option: Non-existent pathname: /usr/bin/lwp-request
13:46<N0oBz>please any help ?
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13:47<centrx>N0oBz, What is lwp-request ?
13:47<mgv>centrx: apt-get install libwww-perl
13:47<mgv>something like wget/curl
13:48-!-mode/#debian [+l 747] by debhelper
13:48<centrx>yeah I know
13:48<centrx>Trying to lead him through how to get that answer
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13:48<paranoiko_koalaki>greetings
13:48<N0oBz>thanks @centrx & mgv
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13:49<paranoiko_koalaki>how to set up default desktop enviroment on debian jessie?
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13:50<centrx>paranoiko_koalaki, apt-get install task-desktop ?
13:51<paranoiko_koalaki>i want mate but it start with xfce...how to change it permantly?
13:51<paranoiko_koalaki>i have already installed mate
13:53<mtn>paranoiko_koalaki: choose it in your login manager
13:53<debdog>paranoiko_koalaki: I am not quite sure but I think it's set in /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager
13:53<debdog>or login manager, right
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14:07<anonymous>Bonjour je ne trouve pas l'executable de thunderbird.
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14:07<zlatan>!fr
14:07<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
14:08<anonymous>Merci
14:08<anonymous>Thank
14:08<jhutchins>!icedove
14:08<dpkg>Icedove is a DFSG-free fork of Mozilla Thunderbird, a cross-platform email client, replacing Thunderbird in Debian as of 5.0 "Lenny". Debian is unable to distribute Mozilla Thunderbird as-is due to trademark restrictions, see <why icedove>. Since July 2013, Icedove in Debian <stable> is based on the Extended Support Release (ESR) branch. For help with upstream issues, ask #thunderbird on irc.mozilla.org. http://wiki.debian.org/Icedove
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14:32<jyang>Hello, is it a common practice to copy dot files (.vimrc, .bashrc, etc.) to /root/ folder to get same settings between user account and root?
14:33<ompaul>jyang: no, and you almost certainly don't want to do that.
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14:35<jyang>ompaul: so you put your settings in /etc/ for all users (including root therefore)? Or just keep root as "vanilla"?
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14:38<ompaul>jyang: I leave root alone, it shouldn't behave the same as standard userspace.
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14:38<ompaul>jyang: paths differ for instance
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14:38<ompaul>with reason
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14:40<jyang>ompaul: got your point, thank you
14:40<ompaul>yw
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14:59<N0oBz>@debian:~# journalctl -xn
14:59<N0oBz>-- Logs begin at Wed 2015-06-03 17:08:29 UTC, end at Wed 2015-06-03 18:34:04 UTC. --
14:59<N0oBz>Jun 03 18:33:59 debian kernel: EDAC MC1: 32758 CE error on CPU#1Channel#2_DIMM#0 (cha
14:59<N0oBz>nnel:2 slot:0 page:0x0 offset:0x0 grain:8 syndrome:0x0)
14:59<N0oBz>Jun 03 18:34:00 debian kernel: EDAC i7core: Lost 11 memory errors
14:59-!-N0oBz was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.]
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15:00<squidblacklist>:D
15:00<N0oBz>what is that
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15:04<fan>de brisa
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15:05<fan>de brisa
15:06<Brigo>N0oBz, you cannot paste in this channel
15:06<Brigo>!paste
15:06<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
15:07<N0oBz>Brigo: if you are talking about the kickout from the channel becuz the past of txt
15:07<N0oBz>i got it
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15:07<Brigo>N0oBz, yes, i do. :)
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15:09<raodoctorantstudy>guys i'm wondering if we might be able to internode all our comps to see where the best air might be
15:09<raodoctorantstudy>and maybe tracing a kind of internodal link between us all
15:10<N0oBz>Brigo: thnx for the info
15:10<Brigo>N0oBz, np :)
15:10<Brigo>N0oBz, what was your problem?
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15:11<raodoctorantstudy>wondering if we may be able to get a big lever economical one for this
15:11<raodoctorantstudy>big project we might be able to do alltogether
15:12<raodoctorantstudy>like linking a calisse my love
15:12<N0oBz>Brigo: my server is reboots from time to time, when i checked the logs i found this error msg
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15:12<N0oBz>Brigo: Jun 03 18:34:04 debian kernel: EDAC i7core: Lost 12 memory errors
15:12<N0oBz>Jun 03 18:34:04 debian kernel: EDAC MC1: 32744 CE error on CPU#1Channel#2_DIMM#0 (cha
15:13<peter92>hi all
15:13<raodoctorantstudy>and getting rid once for all of nuclear oil phrackers
15:13<peter92>i'm trying to install bitcoin-qt on a Debian 8 system. on what channel should i look help for that? thanks
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15:14<raodoctorantstudy>eindhover tower
15:14<pedro_>hi have i got voice?
15:15<N0oBz>Brigo: Please can we talk via PM about my issue , maybe you can help me
15:15<pedro_>i forgoten how to update the system, can anyone tell me?
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15:15<musca>welcome pedro_
15:15<pedro_>hi
15:15<Brigo>N0oBz, i think you have a faulty ram chip
15:15<Brigo>N0oBz, did you try memtest?
15:16<Brigo>pedro_, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
15:16<N0oBz>Brigo: no i didn't , i will try it right now & see the output of it , thanks
15:16<pedro_>does that updates the software?bugs etc?
15:16<Brigo>N0oBz, install it and you will get an enter in grub menu.
15:17<Brigo>pedro_, if apt is cofigured right, yes.
15:17<pedro_>my software center application disapeared
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15:17<pedro_>i wanted to choose some software for multimedia
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15:19<N0oBz>Brigo: okey , thanks for your support mate ;)
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15:20<pedro_>how do i activade the fusion destop effects on debian 7.0?
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15:24<raodoctorantstudy>thanks to Ian and Debbie :)
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15:25<raodoctorantstudy>trying to interpromote our earth from a big eyes in our polluted skies
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15:31<raodoctorantstudy>hello bart would it be possible to well spending our money into wars game ~ake the nowhere man we might be able maybe to well not my prob rite, but let's say we take the eindhover tower trough a nice helectromagnetial power tesla power and re place all our snorking chans into something that will compress enough the carbon on earth to make pure crystals ..../
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15:33<raodoctorantstudy>(just want to get peace on earth) saw china beeing hit by a fighter jet
15:33<raodoctorantstudy>it opened a big dam rite
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15:34<raodoctorantstudy>nous allons pouvoir au contraire relever nos têtes vers la puissance hydromecanique ?
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15:42<raodoctorantstudy>i'm looking for a secretary let's say the nowbelgiam man replacing all our cars by teslas ? * pantone geet and our seas would interlink themselves and we would win overs this smoggy pale haze
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15:43<squidblacklist>try craiglists or a job site you jive turkey
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15:43<raodoctorantstudy>no but i don't really know my country is actually speaking powered by nuclear
15:44<raodoctorantstudy>and i don't really have the power to promote pantone by geet
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15:44<squidblacklist>no, you sir are a child acting retarted in an irc channel you are spamming up with your half engrish nonsense
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15:44<raodoctorantstudy>if you say sorry for bothering you again
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15:51<raodoctorantstudy>https://youtu.be/QBAQNQUcctk?t=16 something that maybe a solution
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16:12<raodoctorantstudy>into https://youtu.be/syYTj99DZD8 o/
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16:13<raodoctorantstudy>for the new hho car pantone by geet we need to remember what happened rite
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16:15<raodoctorantstudy>https://youtu.be/syYTj99DZD8
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16:17<raodoctorantstudy>would this all new tire be able to transinduce acids rains all over our world maybe
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16:19<raodoctorantstudy>let's cut less trees and maybe planting some more instead to retains our nice waters
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16:20<raodoctorantstudy>z and well our seas might be quitier and we even might be able to counteract the falls of mountains richters scales ...
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16:30<raodoctorantstudy>Bombardier Aerospace why not promoting tesla's power
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16:31<raodoctorantstudy>http://spectrum.ieee.org/transportation/advanced-cars/the-allelectric-car-you-never-plug-in
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16:33<raodoctorantstudy>http://spectrum.ieee.org/transportation/advanced-cars/the-allelectric-car-you-never-plug-in
16:34<raodoctorantstudy>let's only take the main unit and we might be able to get real clean streets
16:34<raodoctorantstudy>(well i don't have the power or lever to see this in my streets :())
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16:35<reborn>what's way best for install AMD in terminal?
16:37<p0rk0ff>hi, a quick question about a regex: i have to match a user@domain.tld string in an output like "user@domain.tld at pop.domain.tld:" and i tried with ".*@.*[[:space:]]" but the problem is that also 'at' is hilighted by grep in addition to the wanted string... i tested with: echo "user@domain.tld at pop.domain.tld:" | grep ".*@.*[[:space:]]"
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16:45<reborn>anyone?
16:45<squidblacklist>This isnt a channel on how to use grep or regex
16:45<squidblacklist>however
16:46<squidblacklist>a good friend of mine wrote a book you can read
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16:46<squidblacklist>lectric-car-you-never-plug-in
16:46<squidblacklist><raodoctorantstudy> let's only take the main unit and we might be able to get real clean streets
16:46<squidblacklist><raodoctorantstudy> (well i don't have the power or lever to see this in my streets :())
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16:46<squidblacklist><reborn> what's way best for install AMD in terminal?
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16:46<squidblacklist>whoops, sorry, clipboard was contaminated by this lame xchat irc client
16:47<squidblacklist>http://www.amazon.com/Regular-Expressions-Simplicity-WeakNet-Laboratories/dp/1489587063
16:47<raodoctorantstudy>let's spread chalk on our streets
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16:47<reborn>i want to install drivers AMD.
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16:47<reborn>fglrx seem not unable to install.
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16:52<p0rk0ff>squidblacklist: and is this a channel for advertisements? :) anyways yes, sorry for the OT
16:52<raodoctorantstudy>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ1NCB7bQks with a chorus on
16:53<raodoctorantstudy>the carrier to imprint this nice tone to our seas
16:54<LtL>raodoctorantstudy: for heavens sake please STFU
16:55<raodoctorantstudy>Eowwwwww <- talking with Orca
16:57<raodoctorantstudy>Eowwwwwwwww would this blue box be expanded and let's say deep into our sears
16:57<raodoctorantstudy>seas
16:58*squidblacklist rubs nipples with lotion and blows kis at p0rk0ff
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17:00<raodoctorantstudy>and we might be able to use this nice hygromecanial power into our seas
17:00*p0rk0ff is not squidblacklist's girl
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17:01<raodoctorantstudy>ok do 9.7 ghz and bad for our health
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17:01<raodoctorantstudy>let's dunno put it down underground
17:02<raodoctorantstudy>really deep
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17:02<raodoctorantstudy>et par electrocataphorèes this nice blue box would transinduce atlantis
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17:05<raodoctorantstudy>https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=HrT67vJN7O4#t=504 working with CCO2 power maybe
17:06<wompa>!ops raodoctorantstudy offtopic ramblings
17:06<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: wompa complains about: raodoctorantstudy offtopic ramblings
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18:09<FuZi0N>I'm trying to decide which distro to use between Gentoo Hardened and Debian+Grsecurity/pax. I understand that Gentoo Hardened has a hardened toolchain and userland but Debian does not. That being said, is it possible to harden the toolchain and userland in Debain to acheive the same level of security?
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18:27<VovaDEB>Hello, I have remote desktopped into my debian 8 lxde from a windows 7 laptop. I would like to copy text from my windows laptop to the xrdp session debian 8. Anyone know how to solve this issue?
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18:27<ryouma>upon upgrade to jessie, xorg breaks with fatal server error, no screens found: http://paste.debian.net/198283/ . the full /var/log log is here: http://paste.debian.net/198287/ . my computer has a radeon card according to lshw. xserver-xorg-video-radeon is installed. i would be grateful for any help.
18:29<ryouma>this occurred after i fully upgraded and then rebooted
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18:29<PEB>the pack[ 31.568] (WW) Warning, couldn't open module modesetting
18:30<blast007>ryouma: you may need to install firmware-linux-nonfree
18:30<PEB>reading this, I'd bed your modules.conf or something like this is outdated
18:30<PEB>and it brings errors
18:30<ryouma>blast007: is that a binary blob? the free version worked perfectly in wheezy.
18:30<ryouma>PEB: how do i find out if it is outdated?
18:31<PEB>do you have something in /etc/modules ?
18:31<ryouma>PEB: yes, it says loop
18:31<PEB>ok
18:31<PEB>does not matter
18:31<blast007>https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo#Firmware "Without this package installed, poor 2D/3D performance in the radeon driver is commonly experienced. Some GPUs may require firmware to operate the X Window System."
18:31<PEB>try installing xserver-xorg-video-modesetting ?
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18:32<ryouma>will try
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18:32<ryouma>(i'd hate for running jessie to require a binary blob)
18:32<PEB>hm
18:32<PEB>wait
18:32<PEB>modesetting has been removed from circuit in jessie
18:33<PEB>I wonder why your computer tries to launch it
18:33<ryouma>i installed it
18:33<PEB>hmmm
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18:33<PEB>do you have /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
18:34<ryouma>no
18:35<PEB>weird
18:35<PEB>can you give my your card model ?
18:35<PEB>s/my/me/
18:36<ryouma> product: RV610 [Radeon HD 2400 PRO]
18:36<ryouma>at least, lshw shows that
18:36<Nemoder_>anything strange in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/ ?
18:36<ryouma>Nemoder_: http://paste.debian.net/198290/
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18:38<ryouma>PEB: when i said "i installed it" i did not mean that i installed modesetting. i meant that i installed the package you suggested i install.
18:38<ryouma>i do not know what modesetting is
18:40<PEB>I understand
18:40<PEB>but it is not really useful
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18:41<PEB>ryouma: can you try purging and installing xserver-xorg-video-radeon?
18:41<blast007>dmesg | grep -E 'drm|radeon' | grep -iE 'firmware|microcode'
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18:42<ryouma>will try
18:43<blast007>(run that dmesg line and see if it gives you useful information)
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18:44<ryouma>PEB: i purged and reinstalled xserver-xorg-video-radeon, which purged xserver-xorg-video-ati, which i then reinstalled
18:44<ryouma>x still does not come up
18:44<ryouma>blast007: ok hang on
18:45<ryouma>blast007: [ 15.640871] [drm:radeon_pci_probe] *ERROR* radeon kernel modesetting for R600 or later requires firmware-linux-nonfree.
18:45<ryouma>blast007: however, i have seen that message many times before in wheezy and x worked fine with the free driver
18:46<blast007>just may mean that the X.org in Jessie require modesetting now.
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18:48<ryouma>that would be horrible if it means binary blob
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18:49<ryouma>this is my new .xinit output: http://paste.debian.net/198341/
18:49<ryouma>but the log in /var/log looks superficially the same as before
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18:50<blast007>ryouma: yes, 22.25KB of binary blobs for that card
18:50<ryouma>blast007: can modesetting (whatever that is) be turned off?
18:51<ryouma>(this is a dealbreaker for me; i will have to go back to wheezy if it means binary blob to upgrade)
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18:56<blast007>there's a binary blob firmware embedded into a chip on your hard drive, there's microcode in your CPU, there's possibly a blob for your onboard NIC, and maybe your BIOS as well if you're not using something like Coreboot.
18:57<samkod>does anyone have experience setting up awesome on jessie (minimal install) with no login manager?
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19:00<ryouma>blast007: i don't know much about this topic, but are you saying it's therefore no big deal to download binary blob software and that the incremental loss of trustability and other factors (support, compatibility, etc) is nil? seems huge to me (as i had a run-in with binary blob long ago that took me 3 months to fix and i swore never to use anything that required one and as i am concerned about security of binary b
19:00<ryouma>lobs) but again i don't know much about it.
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19:03<blast007>I guess what I'm saying is that unless you're really careful about buying your hardware (and are willing to sacrafice performance/features in some cases) it's pretty hard to avoid firmware of some kind, and that a file based firmware is ever so slightly less evil than one burned into your hardware.
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19:05<ryouma>i'm totally willing to forgo performance and features. i don't play games or anything.
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19:06<ryouma>and i figure burned-in stuff is "i can't do anything about it once i have it and bad guys won't corrupt it afterward at least"
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19:07<blast007>well, except that most firmware on chips in your hardware *can* be updated :)
19:07<blast007>(and it would then persist across reinstalls of your OS)
19:08<ryouma>blast007: PEB thank you for your help identifying the problem. are we certain that that is the problem now? i.e. that i have to use a binary blob or downgrade to wheezy?
19:08<ryouma>or is it possibly a different problem?
19:08<PEB>a good way would be trying to install linux-firmware-nonfree
19:08<PEB>see if it helps
19:08<PEB>if not, it'll probably be something else
19:09<PEB>there is a lot of things to try, but they require a little skills
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19:14<ryouma>what kinds of things would htese be?
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19:18<ryouma>btw, i don't seem to have that package
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19:21<ryouma>ok, i found it, but radeon 2400 is not listed in it
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19:28<blast007>ryouma: RV610 is listed on the linux-firmware-nonfree
19:29<ryouma>oh, i was searching for the wrong thing then
19:30<ryouma>well, going against my principles for the sake of debugging (:/), i tried it (installed firmware-linux-nonfree), and x still does not start
19:31<ryouma>why does it say user is not authorized to connect to x server, when there is presumably no x server?
19:31<blast007>you followed the instructions here (including the part about rebooting?) https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo#Firmware
19:32<ryouma>blast007: did not know about that page
19:33<blast007>(it was one I linked early on, but it's a page or two up now)
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19:38<ryouma>blast007: ah, i saw that but didn't think i needed to read the page. i am quite overwhelmed by various issues including the fact that i am trying to deal with everything using the linux console right now
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19:56<ryouma>going back to wheezy. will return soon in case anybody has further ideas.
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20:50<ryouma>"On Intel and Radeon cards KMS is disabled at run time in Debian kernel images by default.1 It is enabled via modprobe configuration files provided by the xserver-xorg-video-intel and xserver-xorg-video-radeon packages."
20:50<ryouma>does this mean that i can get x to work by somehow turning it off again?
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20:51<ryouma>(i'd rather have an xorg htat works without a binary blob than a computer that switches quickly between modes and has unneeded resolution on vt)
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20:56<ryouma>(i will try setting kernel nomodeset parameter)
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20:57<ryouma>in jessie, when i boot, the screen comes up in an unreadably small font. i literally cannot read it. i presume this is grub doing this. the kernel messages are readable. how do i make grub readable?
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21:02<Brigo>ryouma, you can configure grub in /etc/default/grub, and then running grub-update
21:02<Brigo>update-grub, sorry :)
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21:08<ryouma>Brigo: excellent, thanks. what is the default resolution in wheezy? GRUB_GFXMODE=640x480?
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21:15<k-man>i keep running into this bug: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=702201 how do i tell what the status of the bug is?
21:15<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/702201 in samba (open): «samba: logrotate script for nmbd.log does not wait long enough.»; severity: normal; opened: 2013-03-03; last modified: 2014-06-27.
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21:28<admin>debian russian language
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21:49<ryouma>does merely installing firmware-linux-nonfree actually /do/ anything with the software it installs until you reboot? i.e. does any of the non-free code actually run until you reboot?
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21:53<abrotman>ryouma: you can reload the modules
21:53<ryouma>i installed and uninstalled, and i'm trying to find out if any of the non-free software actually ran, or if the package merely modified some files when it installed
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23:36<sooraj>my bluetooth not workin.. but wifi does.. im using ubuntu 15.04. driver is Broadcom Corporation BCM43142 802.11b/g/n (rev 01)
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23:41<sooraj>anybody?
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---Logclosed Thu Jun 04 00:00:07 2015