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---Logopened Fri Jun 05 00:00:16 2015
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00:00<NerdyWhiteGuy>The webpage said this was the place to come for help.
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00:02<PEB>NerdyWhiteGuy: it is :)
00:02<PEB>but for a big part of the plantet, this is the night
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00:03<PEB>sometimes you have to wait a bit to get an answer
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00:04<phillipsjk__>Also, it sounds like you are doing something weird, then wondering why the installer is confused.
00:04<PEB>since your question is about the installer, you can try asking on #debian-boot
00:05<PEB>but I agree you're trying something weird
00:05<PEB>dunno if somebody will have the answer
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00:05<NerdyWhiteGuy>ok, I'll give it a whirl. Thanks!
00:06<NerdyWhiteGuy>And, yeah. I'm aware that this is kinda weird. Just wondering if it was possible.
00:06<phillipsjk__>wow, section of the install guide seems terse: http://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch04s04.html.en#files-loadlin
00:07<Bob_Hartge>have you looked at grub4dos and/or easy2boot
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00:09<NerdyWhiteGuy>Googleing those now. I've already got multiple live systems and diagnostic tools on my flashdrive using YUMI, and I'd prefer not to have to wipe that out.
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00:11<Bob_Hartge>i have had several installs on one usb drive and it also let me boot iso files from it
00:13<NerdyWhiteGuy>Oh wow. Easy2boot may be just what I needed.
00:13<NerdyWhiteGuy>From the sound of it, it would even let me have multiple Windows installers, too.
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00:19<di0x>you missed perfection
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00:20<di0x>hang on
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00:21<theend>Hello. I'm hoping someone could help me pick a deb based distro. im looking for something maybe like robolinux...
00:21<theend>my problem, my specs i486 non-pae ram 0.98gb Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.60GHz 32bit
00:21<di0x>the answer is... SUPERFRAGILISTICPESPIALADOS
00:22<di0x>no no wa8
00:22<di0x>:-)
00:22<di0x>he :^)
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00:22<NerdyWhiteGuy>theend: This is almost exactly what I'm trying to install on.
00:22<NerdyWhiteGuy>Except it's only 512MB of RAM.
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00:24<theend>dang, can try crunchbang but ive hear they are calling it quits
00:24<phillipsjk__>theend, you know in here the only answer you are going to get is "debian" you may want to avoid Gnome and kde though.
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00:25*phillipsjk__ just "upgraded" from a machine of similar specs. The RAM is annoying if you have like 50 browser tabs open (noscript helps a lot) :P
00:26<NerdyWhiteGuy>I looked around a little and found LXLE (Ubuntu based), but the ram was so lacking that the installer couldn't complete.
00:27<phillipsjk__>Debian has a curses based installer which is fine with 256MB of RAM.
00:27<NerdyWhiteGuy>So now I'm trying to shoe-horn the Debian netinstaller onto it.
00:28<NerdyWhiteGuy>And since this laptop doesn't want to boot from USB directly, I've got to chain-boot, if you will, using PLOP.
00:28<theend>im hoping for a debian based distro, haven a broblem locating one. im use'n distrowatch.com.... dont know what to pick :/
00:30<theend>i be kinda a new to linux...
00:30<phillipsjk__>!based on Debian
00:30<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
00:32<phillipsjk__>theend, is there a particular reason you are avoiding Debian itself?
00:34<phillipsjk__>most the variants try to fill some kind of niche.
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00:35<outlaw>hello
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00:36<theend>well i looked at the site for deb but it dont have i486 non-pae.. sorry for going off-topic, i see this irc is for only the distro deb
00:36<theend>i didnt know till now
00:36<theend>it looks sweet but it dont have the right kernel
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00:37<phillipsjk__>the i386 distro should work on a 486.
00:37<phillipsjk__>(Ram issues asside)
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00:38<NerdyWhiteGuy>The i386 is what I'm trying now on a Pentium M non-PAE laptop.
00:38<theend>could i downgrade kernels by chance if i can boot it?
00:39<NerdyWhiteGuy>I got it to boot, but had trouble with the installer, and came here. But it _did_ boot.
00:39<theend>ill just try it i guess and see what happens, lol
00:39<phillipsjk__>You boot with a basic kernel, then upgrade to the i686 kernel if your machine is a Pentium Pro or newer.
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00:43<NerdyWhiteGuy>My main concern is that this computer isn't for me, but for a coworker who has never used Linux before.
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00:43<theend>i need i486 tho, got a Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.60GHz, gonna just dl it and try. i just have very bad dl speed so it takes for ever
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00:43<theend>well this be for me, im poor as heck
00:43<theend>lol
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00:44<NerdyWhiteGuy>And since the place we work officially kicked XP off of the network, I'm helping him breathe some new life into this brick.
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00:44<NerdyWhiteGuy>Poor-has-heck high five!
00:44<phillipsjk__>The Debian i386 installer is really for the 486. (I read that they don't even compile it to run on the i386 anymore, but the name sticks)
00:45<phillipsjk__>!i386
00:45<dpkg>i386 is, like, the designation for the "common ordinary garden-variety PC" architecture. Runs on everything from the 80386SX (woody) or 80486SX (sarge) and up. If you don't know what arch you want, you want this one.
00:45<NerdyWhiteGuy>Yeah, I believe it made the news about a year or so ago when the linux kernel officially dropped support for the 386.
00:46<NerdyWhiteGuy>This being news-worthy since the linux project started out being designed for the 386 and _only_ the 386.
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00:48<phillipsjk__>Well, since about 2006, commodity hardware has not really been IBM-PC compatible anymore.
00:48<theend>umm does this distro work ok with unetbootin? some distros it breaks cause it changes config boot stuff in the iso...
00:49<theend>how you know i got an ibm?lol
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00:49<theend>*spooky
00:49<NerdyWhiteGuy>If you're using the Live CDs, I'd recommend YUMI since it has pre-configured options for it, although I'm having trouble getting it to work with the net installer.
00:50<theend>i need to boot from usb, no cd.. what the net installer do?
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00:51<theend>i meant no cd drive...
00:51<phillipsjk__>theend if you have a reasonably fast internet connection, it allows you to do a minimal install, then download the packages you want over the network.
00:52<NerdyWhiteGuy>It might help you since you said you're download speeds are slow.
00:52<NerdyWhiteGuy>Since it only downloads the software you want.
00:52<theend>oh, nah i got poop for speed, thats why im asking all the questions i did, befor i just dl it
00:53<phillipsjk__>dial-up?
00:53<NerdyWhiteGuy>Also, when downloading, it's getting the updated versions of things.
00:53<NerdyWhiteGuy>While with the regular installer you install the system and _then_ update.
00:54<NerdyWhiteGuy>So really it boils down to: Do you want to download now or later.
00:54<NerdyWhiteGuy>The net install is a nice, slim 330,301,440 bytes.
00:54<theend>mobile,lol. was looking for a trustworthy magnet link in case downloads breaks. it happens alot lol
00:55<phillipsjk__>If your connectivity really sucks, you can order CDs or DVDs (though the lack of CD drive may be awkward)
00:56<NerdyWhiteGuy>Well, they're not magnet links, but here're the torrents: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.0.0/i386/bt-cd/
00:56<theend>thank u kind sir for da link
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00:57<NerdyWhiteGuy>No problem.
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00:58<NerdyWhiteGuy>And thank _you_ to the rest of the kind people here for politely telling me "U WAT M8?" :P
00:59<theend>of course, they were helping too
01:00<NerdyWhiteGuy>I think I need to start hanging out on IRC more. I forgot how fun it was.
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01:02<NerdyWhiteGuy>OK, so used YUMI's GRUB option this time to try putting the netinst image on my flashdrive. Lets see if this works.
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01:02<theend>er um, whats up with the diff iso's listed at the above link? should i get the xfce cd?
01:03<jm_>they differ on which DE is installed by default
01:03<theend>DE? sorry noob "kinda"
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01:04<NerdyWhiteGuy>Desktop Environment
01:04<theend>i dont even know how to direct what i say here in chat box to people:/ oh ok
01:05<NerdyWhiteGuy>For a low ram system, I'd go with XFCE, which is what I plan on using if I can get the installer to boot.
01:05<jm_>or even lxde
01:06<NerdyWhiteGuy>Would that be better for a laptop with only half a gig of ram?
01:06<theend>well im gonna have to check out lxde now ;)
01:07<NerdyWhiteGuy>I've used xfce before on a 993MB system, and it works well. (Although browsing the web is another story, thanks to Browser Wars 2.0)
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01:08<NerdyWhiteGuy>Interesting. Wikipedia says it's better than xfce.
01:09<theend>i dont even know what im us'n now,lol. im on linux but never really checked my DE, all i know is im using open box,lol
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01:10<jm_>lxde is using openbox
01:10<NerdyWhiteGuy>Following citation on Wikipedia: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_desktop_vitals
01:11<NerdyWhiteGuy>Looks like xlde is the clear winner.
01:11<NerdyWhiteGuy>*lxde
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01:12<theend>oh wow, thanks jm_
01:12<NerdyWhiteGuy>jm_, as you seem familiar with lxde, do you know if it supports having different wallpapers on each monitor and workspace? This was my favorite feature of xfce once I discovered it.
01:13<jm_>NerdyWhiteGuy: I only know about it because my brother is using it, let me ask him since he has a dual monitor setup (different resolutions)
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01:15<NerdyWhiteGuy>While you're asking, does it support cpu/ram/net usage graphs in the panel?
01:15<NerdyWhiteGuy>I suppose I could just figure out conky, though.
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01:17<theend>im happy he pop'd in and told us about lxde :)
01:17<NerdyWhiteGuy>Blast. Grub didn't seem to work either. It still complains about not being able to find the CD. :-/
01:18<NerdyWhiteGuy>One more option to try, and that's GRUB in RAM, although with only 512MB, I was hoping to avoid that.
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01:20<theend>dang iso gonna take awhile to download. ill save it for next time i go library to just download it. thanks again you guys.
01:21<NerdyWhiteGuy>Glad to help. Happy debian-ing! (Can I say that? Is that a word?)
01:22<NerdyWhiteGuy>Does anyone know how to get the installer to realized that it's looking for an iso and not a physical cd drive?
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01:23<NerdyWhiteGuy>All of #debian-boot seems to be sound asleep. I suppose this is what I get for being a night-owl.
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01:24<jm_>night? it's bright daylight here ;)
01:25<jm_>so the issue with backgrounds is not clear, he has a bg on one monitor and no bg on the other one, so it may be possible; cpu/ram grafs are there, while for network there seems to be status only; for per desktop bg he thinks not
01:25<theend>lol
01:25<theend>its night here too
01:25<jm_>what are you trying to do with the installer?
01:26<NerdyWhiteGuy>ok, so I have a flashdrive where I have dozens (well, ok, several) live cds and bootable utilities already installed using YUMI.
01:27<NerdyWhiteGuy>I was trying to get the netinst image to join the other happy residents of my flasdrive.
01:27<jm_>then maybe this will help http://www.preining.info/blog/2015/05/usb-stick-update-debian-is-back-plus-grml/
01:27<NerdyWhiteGuy>However, YUMI only has pre-made options for the live isos.
01:28<NerdyWhiteGuy>I tried YUMI's "unlisted via syslinux" option, and got it to boot after manually modifying the paths in various .cfg files.
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01:29<NerdyWhiteGuy>However, after booting, the installer complained that it couldn't find the release file.
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01:29<NerdyWhiteGuy>I tried mounting my flashdrive in a folder under /media
01:30<jm_>then that post might help since it mentions one of missing packages related to finding the iso
01:30<theend>will unetbootin work with deb?
01:30<jm_>we do not recommend using unetbootin
01:30<jm_>!unetbootin
01:30<dpkg>UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
01:30<NerdyWhiteGuy>as well as using --bind to put the subdirectory that the iso had been extracted to on /media/cdrom
01:30<jm_>so ask dpkg about those other options -- /msg dpkg foo
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01:31<cedric>hello
01:31<NerdyWhiteGuy>I've now tried using YUMI's "unlisted via grub" option, but the installer again complains that it can't find the release file.
01:31<theend>thanks dpkg
01:31<jm_>yeah that won't help, apt tries to mount cdrom using apt-cdrom AFAIR, and the only configurable option for that seems to be mount point
01:32<NerdyWhiteGuy>oh. should I have mounted it in a different directory then?
01:32<jm_>naah, that won't help as it tries to mount it on its own, at least if I remember correctly
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01:33<NerdyWhiteGuy>is there a way I can make an iso appear as a block device in /dev ? This sounds like a horrible thing to do but, hey, if it works...
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01:34<jm_>why not read that blog post first?
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01:34<NerdyWhiteGuy>k <reads>
01:34<jm_>losetup can be used for mounting images
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01:36<somiaj>NerdyWhiteGuy: why do you need it to be a dev? You can mount it with -o loop just as an iso?
01:37<somiaj>ahh I see.
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01:40<NerdyWhiteGuy></reads> OK, so... I need to replace the initrd?
01:40<NerdyWhiteGuy>whoboy.
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01:45<NerdyWhiteGuy>So, does that mean that I need to replace a file thats in the ISO? I'm only just figuring out this whole syslinux thing.
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01:46<NerdyWhiteGuy>or, wait.
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01:46<NerdyWhiteGuy>The post says he put them elsewhere on the drive, so I guess that would be a no.
01:48<jm_>I think it says he used files from hdimage dir
01:48<jm_>or hdmedia or whatever the name is
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01:50<rektide_>is there a way to avoid buiding the linux-image-4.0-dbg.deb package when doing a kernel make deb-pkg?
01:50<rektide_>cause, ugg, i haven't the time for this
01:51<NerdyWhiteGuy>Is that .cfg file for syslinux? The syntax used looks totally different from the files that I've got.
01:51<jm_>naah that's for grub
01:52<NerdyWhiteGuy>oh ok.
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01:52<NerdyWhiteGuy><hunts around drive for a .cfg file for grub/>
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01:54<jm_>well if your setup is not using grub you'll have to adapt this approach for it
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01:55<NerdyWhiteGuy>Well, YUMI uses syslinux primarilly, but has the ability to chain-load into grub.
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01:55<NerdyWhiteGuy>I tried telling it to load the iso via grub, so it made menus and such for it.
01:56<NerdyWhiteGuy>aha. Found them. It seems to use .lst for the grub configuration files.
01:56<jm_>that sounds like old grub which doesn't support the same commands
01:58<NerdyWhiteGuy>Not even if I replace the initrc with the new version he mentions?
01:58<NerdyWhiteGuy>_OH_ you mean like pre-2.0 grub?
01:59<jm_>yes, it lacks support for loop mounting
02:01<NerdyWhiteGuy>So, .lst files come from the old grub?
02:02<jm_>in theory one can name them .lst with new one too but it suggests old version
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02:03<NerdyWhiteGuy>Well, bilge shipe.
02:04<NerdyWhiteGuy>Could I perhaps replace grub.exe with the new version?
02:04<NerdyWhiteGuy>Or are the config files totally different such that I'll have to re-write everything manually?
02:06<jm_>probably, but better ask yumi support about that if there is such a thing
02:06<jm_>it really is quite different
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02:08<NerdyWhiteGuy>Well, I'm thinking that the shenanigans have compounded now to the point where "giving up and trying something different" is an appropriate response.
02:08<jm_>maybe try following the approach from that blog post (see his old posts)
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02:09<NerdyWhiteGuy>What if I were to dd the iso to a blank partition on the end of the target harddrive?
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02:09<jm_>what would you achieve with that?
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02:10<FuZi0N>Does proxmox 3.4 work in debian jessie?
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02:10<NerdyWhiteGuy>When the installer scans for cds, I would hope it would see that "cd"
02:11<NerdyWhiteGuy>If this is insanity, then nevermind.
02:11<jm_>no, but installer can find the iso on root of usb AFAIK
02:11<NerdyWhiteGuy>oh.
02:11<NerdyWhiteGuy>Well.
02:11<NerdyWhiteGuy><moves iso, edits menu entries to match/>
02:12<NerdyWhiteGuy>or would that only work after replacing those files and using the new grub?
02:13<jm_>that should work with plain installer
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02:14<NerdyWhiteGuy>ok, awesome.
02:14<NerdyWhiteGuy><gives it a whirl/>
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02:16<NerdyWhiteGuy>Woo! Booted! Now, will it find the cd...
02:17<NerdyWhiteGuy>nope
02:17<NerdyWhiteGuy>:-/
02:17<NerdyWhiteGuy>Do I need to manually mount the flashdrive somewhere?
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02:18<jm_>try checking tty3/4 to see if anything shows about it, otherwise I suppose you'll need to use those iso-scan options
02:18<jm_>I never really used this approach as I only put netboot image on USB and downloaded the rest
02:19<NerdyWhiteGuy>oh, hello!
02:20<NerdyWhiteGuy>it tried to mount the flashdrive on /cdrom, which failed (probably because it's not a cdrom) and then complained that it couldn't find /cdrom/dists
02:21<NerdyWhiteGuy>So, if I mount the flashdrive, and then mount the iso on /cdrom .....
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02:23<NerdyWhiteGuy>aaand there's no man pages on this minimal shell.
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02:26<NerdyWhiteGuy>The mount command seems to freeze. I can ^C it, but it doesn't return. Is this normal? Should I simply put an ampersand after the command?
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02:27<jm_>which command exactly?
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02:33<NerdyWhiteGuy>mount -o loop -t iso9660 /media/flashdrive/debian-8.0.0-i386-netinst.iso /cdrom/
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02:33<NerdyWhiteGuy>It doesn't seem to be mounting properly, seeing as how /cdrom remains empty.
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02:36<jm_>apparently one does not need to specify -o loop with busybox mount, not sure why that would hang, maybe check if kernel reports anything
02:37<jm_>but perhaps add -r
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02:42<NerdyWhiteGuy>well, after leaving it sit for a few minutes, I got this message:
02:42<NerdyWhiteGuy>mount: can't setup loop device: No space left on device
02:43<NerdyWhiteGuy>So it seems like its trying to copy the while thing to RAM or something crazy.
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02:43<jm_>i doubt that
02:44<jm_>but you can certainly check by looking in /proc/PID/fd and df -kl etc.
02:44<NerdyWhiteGuy>How/where would I check if the kernel reports something?
02:44<jm_>dmesg
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02:45<NerdyWhiteGuy>should I grep that for something specific?
02:46<NerdyWhiteGuy>The last few lines are it complaining about utf-8 on fat
02:46<jm_>yeah so it did not report anything useful then I suppose
02:47<NerdyWhiteGuy>hrm. Mentions "ISO 9660 Extensions: Microsoft Joliet Level 3" and "ISO 9660 Extensions: RRIP_1991A" on the lines above.
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02:48<jm_>that's from mounting cdrom
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02:49<NerdyWhiteGuy>It seems like the mount command died when it printed that message.
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02:50<NerdyWhiteGuy>and I guess df doesn't want to tell me how much free space there is on a ramdisk.
02:50<NerdyWhiteGuy>What were you suggesting I check in /proc?
02:52<jm_>looking in fd dir shows opened files when a process is running
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02:55<jm_>i looked in source code for loop mount and it doesn't look like it's doing anything unusal other than doing losetup
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02:58<NerdyWhiteGuy>I looked in /proc/$!/fd and I've got 0, 1, and 2 pointing to /dev/pts/0. I'm assuming those are the normal in/out/error streams. 3 is pointing to the iso.
02:58<NerdyWhiteGuy>However, /cdrom is still empty.
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02:59<jm_>yeah, makes sense, there's a loop looking for loop device so maybe you get ENOSPC from that
03:00<jm_>do you have loop in /proc/devices?
03:00<Asharas>Hi everyone! I'm trying to install the linux-firmware-nonfree package offline, any idea?
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03:01<jm_>Asharas: what exactly is the problem with that?
03:02<somiaj>Asharas: just download it from packages.debian.org
03:02<Asharas>I'm reinstalling my laptop's OS and the wireless card needs the nonfree firmware in the nonfree repos, and I don't have any wire to connect to my router
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03:02<somiaj>Asharas: that is most likely not the package you need for a wireless card.
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03:03<somiaj>Asharas: what wireless card, you will want to download the firmware-whatever for the actual card you have.
03:03<Asharas>somiaj, that's what I did, but there is no .deb package
03:03<NerdyWhiteGuy>/proc/devices seems to be a file? and /proc does not contain anything named loop
03:03<somiaj>Asharas: there is, after you see the info on the package, near the bottom are download links.
03:03<Asharas>I don't understand what you mean somiaj
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03:03<somiaj>Asharas: what wireless card do you have?
03:03<Asharas>I already did
03:04<jm_>Asharas: or just grab the image with non-free firmware if you are reinstalling
03:04<Asharas>some broadcom device
03:04<Asharas>BCM4321 chipset
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03:04<jm_>NerdyWhiteGuy: grep loop /proc/devices
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03:04<NerdyWhiteGuy>oh. as in I should check _inside_t that file. doi.
03:05<somiaj>Asharas: that card is an extra pain to get the firmware, debian doesn't provide the firmware in a .deb but the tools to download the driver from boradcom and cut the firmware from it.
03:05<NerdyWhiteGuy>nothing
03:05<jm_>so that's why it fails, try modprobe loop
03:05<Asharas>actually it already works
03:05<somiaj>Asharas: the firmware might be on the unoffical firmware installer (as jm_ suggested), /msg dpkg firmware images
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03:06<Asharas>but as I'm amking a fresh new install, I need to include the firmware to my install
03:06<somiaj>Asharas: but the easeist way to get the firmware for broadcom 43 chips is to have another internet connenction so you can use the firmware cutter script.
03:06<NerdyWhiteGuy>modprobe: FATAL: Module loop not found.
03:06<jm_>this is debian kernel you booted from?
03:06<Asharas>firmware in repos works fine, I only need a way to install it ^^
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03:07<NerdyWhiteGuy>Pretty sure. grub was pointed at the iso.
03:07<somiaj>Asharas: yes I know, and I'm saying that firmware for that card isn't just a file debian can give you, debian only gives you the tools to cut the firmware read https://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx
03:07<jm_>what does uname -r say?
03:07<NerdyWhiteGuy>3.16.0-4-586
03:08<somiaj>Asharas: no debian gives you the package firmware-b43-installer, this package does not contain the firmware, it contains scripts to download the driver and then cut the firmware from the driver and install it. The easiest way is to have another internet connenction to do this
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03:08<somiaj>Asharas: You can do this manually but the wiki doesn't have the instructions and I recall it took me just a bit to find the file to download the run the commands to cut the firmware from the boadcom driver.
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03:09<somiaj>!tell Asharas about firmware images
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03:09<somiaj>Asharas: read the factoid from dpkg, that unoffical installer contains the firmware already on the installer (I think broadcom is included) and then you won't need to do anything special to get the card to work.
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03:10<somiaj>but I'm unsure since I think debian isn't allowed to distribute the firmware but only provide the tools to cut it (not sure on this, but this is why I think they use an installer package over the actual firmwarE)
03:11<muep>there is also a lot of firmware that debian is allowed to ship but that debian chooses to not ship due to the firmware being proprietary
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03:11<jm_>muep: for example?
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03:12<muep>jm_: all of the firmware that debian used to ship before wheezy or so. and all that e.g. fedora currently ships
03:12<Asharas>oh my god.... on some links they provide files and I found another link on a mirror that provides the full deb
03:12<muep>like, firmware of amd GPUs
03:12<Asharas>thanks for help guys, going back to my install
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03:13<muep>jm_: I do not remember which pieces of firmware debian exactly omits
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03:14<somiaj>which amd gpus? linux-firmware-nonfree contains a lot of the firmware for the radeon driver and amd gpu's
03:14<jm_>if I boot debian netinst 8.8 i386 CD the kernel has loop support, try modprobe -v loop again
03:14<somiaj>jm_: you mean 7.8?
03:15<jm_>somiaj: 8.0 :)
03:15<muep>somiaj: I was mostly referring to the lack of firmware in installation media
03:15<somiaj>oh 8.0, yea either one. (:
03:15<somiaj>muep: this doens't mean debian doesn't provide the firmware
03:15<jm_>muep: that's why there are images with firmware on it
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03:15<muep>somiaj: sure, I was not intending to say that debian does not provide any means of getting it
03:16<somiaj>muep: debian doesn't not include non-free firmware in main and offical installers only have packages from 'main' on it, but debian does distribute a lot of firmware though its non-free repo. the bf43 firmware is an oddity, as debian doesn't provide a copy of that firmware but only the tools to get a copy.
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03:17<somiaj>so I'm unsure what Asharas found to download, as debian doesn't provide firmware .deb for his wireless card.
03:17<muep>just that debian intentionally does not make proprietary firmware as convenient to get as they would be allowed to. which is just fine for me
03:18<somiaj>muep: I don't think that is true, debian makes it fairly easy and convienient to get the firmware. They just are clear that is non-free and don't include it by default. With the firmware installer and the jessie installer now asking if you want non-free and contrib in your sources.list it really isn't much of an extra step if you choose to install non-free firwmare on your machine.
03:20<muep>somiaj: debian would be allowed to include those files in the most visibly advertised installation media. the project chooses to not do so. and this is not intended as a criticism, just as an observation
03:23<NerdyWhiteGuy>jm_: it still gave the same thing. I'll try rebooting.
03:23<muep>I am not e.g. trying to say that debian should start including proprietary firmware files in the most visibly advertised installation media
03:23<jm_>NerdyWhiteGuy: I got the same error on first try but then modprobe -n loop -v and then without -n loaded it, it also showed insmod command so try that directly
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03:24<somiaj>yea, that is what I was clarifying, but my comment about b43 was debian doesn't actually distribute the firmware for that card (unlike most other non-free firmware which is provided via the non-free repo)
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03:25<muep>yep, I guess firmware required by b43 is not redistributable
03:26<NerdyWhiteGuy>modprobe -n loop -v and then modprobe loop -v both gave module not found.
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03:27<NerdyWhiteGuy>as did modprobe -v loop
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03:28<NerdyWhiteGuy>How does one use insmod? I tried insmod loop, but it gave an error
03:28<jm_>do you see the file insmod lists?
03:28<jm_>sorry modprobe -v loop should list a file, do you have that file?
03:29<NerdyWhiteGuy>For me it's still acting like I'm trying to load the module.
03:29<NerdyWhiteGuy>and failing.
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03:29<jm_>it should say something like insmod /lib/modules/.../loop.ko, does it?
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03:30<NerdyWhiteGuy>the exact output of modprobe -v loop is just this:
03:30<NerdyWhiteGuy>modprobe: FATAL: Module loop not found.
03:31<NerdyWhiteGuy>Is the rest of this going to some log file somewhere?
03:31<NerdyWhiteGuy>dmesg doesn't seem to have anything interesting.
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03:34<jm_>let me test again
03:35<NerdyWhiteGuy>Could the grub bootloader be messing things up somehow?
03:35<jm_>no
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03:36<jm_>ls /lib/modules/3.16.0-4-586/kernel/drivers/block
03:36<NerdyWhiteGuy>Lemme double check the checksums of the iso I'm trying to boot.
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03:39<NerdyWhiteGuy>md5sum checks out
03:40<NerdyWhiteGuy>restarting the installer, and once I drop to a shell...
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03:41<NerdyWhiteGuy>ok:
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03:41<NerdyWhiteGuy>mtip32xx nvme.ko sx8.ko
03:41<jm_>is this after the "Loading installer components" step has been performed?
03:43<NerdyWhiteGuy>No. This is just after "Configure the keyboard". It fails when trying to mount the cd-rom, at which point I try to mount the iso, and here we are.
03:43<NerdyWhiteGuy>So, it sounds like a need a module that won't be loaded until later?
03:44<jm_>yeah so there's catch 22 ;)
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03:44<NerdyWhiteGuy>Could I extract/download this module on another system and then load it when I get here?
03:44<NerdyWhiteGuy>I can mount my fat32 flashdrive just fine.
03:45<jm_>you can put it there and load it with insmod
03:46<NerdyWhiteGuy>ok. Where is this file on the cd? In /lib/modules/3.16.0-4-586/kernel/drivers/block ?
03:46<jm_>no, let me see if I can find the udeb
03:47<NerdyWhiteGuy>heh. yeah. looking in the iso, there isn't even a /lib. <sigh/>
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03:48<jm_>/pool/main/l/linux/loop-modules-*.deb and if you unpack that you get to the actual kernel module
03:49<jm_>make sure to pick the one matching your kernel
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03:55<NerdyWhiteGuy>ok, so I got loop-modules-3.16.0-4-586-di_3.16.7-ckt9-2_i386.udeb
03:55<NerdyWhiteGuy>Do I need to pull this apart at all?
03:55<NerdyWhiteGuy>Like extract the loop.ko from inside it?
03:56<jm_>possibly not, haven't look at installing this manually but I suppose that'll work too
03:57<NerdyWhiteGuy>I'll leave both files in the root.
03:57<NerdyWhiteGuy>ok, lets try this again.
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04:01<NerdyWhiteGuy>WOOO! SUCESS!
04:01<NerdyWhiteGuy>insmod seemed to want the raw loop.ko file.
04:02<NerdyWhiteGuy>I tried that first and it worked, anyway.
04:02<NerdyWhiteGuy>And them mounting the iso worked.
04:02<NerdyWhiteGuy>AND NOW THE INSTALLER SEEMS TO BE CONTINUING ON ITS MERRY WAY
04:03<NerdyWhiteGuy>ahahahahahaha
04:03<NerdyWhiteGuy>awesome
04:03<NerdyWhiteGuy>You are amazing, jm_
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04:06<NerdyWhiteGuy>Well, and now I'm starting at xkcd.com/910
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04:10<NerdyWhiteGuy>I'd say I'd name the system after you, jm_, but it's not my system, and I don't think my coworker would understand at all. :P
04:11<jm_>NerdyWhiteGuy: naah, pick something sensible for the environment
04:13<NerdyWhiteGuy>How many characters can one put in a system name? Would [FirstName][LastName]Thinkpad be too many at 19 chars?
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04:26<NerdyWhiteGuy>wait, now it's asking me for the root password. I should leave this blank so that it will use sudo, correct?
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04:41<babilen>NerdyWhiteGuy: You can use sudo even if you set a root password, but sudo would be used by default if you don't provide a password here
04:41<babilen>dpkg: tell NerdyWhiteGuy -about sudoers
04:41<babilen>I prefer to set a root password and then install/configure sudo explicitly
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04:45<NerdyWhiteGuy>ok, thanks. I'm more familiar with Ubuntu, which, basically gave me the impression that you should never log in as root, but only become root via sudo.
04:46<NerdyWhiteGuy>And since I'm setting this computer up for someone who has never touched linux before, it's one more little safeguard against him breaking things.
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05:10<NerdyWhiteGuy>So, in the netinst, I've gotten all the way to "Configure the package manager".
05:10<NerdyWhiteGuy>Every time I select it, it simply returns to the menu after a moment.
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05:11<NerdyWhiteGuy>Over on the tty where the debug messages are being printed, I get 3 lines each time I select it:
05:12<NerdyWhiteGuy>main-menu[190]: INFO: Menu item 'apt-setup-udeb' succeeded but requested to be left unconfigured.
05:13<NerdyWhiteGuy>apt-setup: /usr/lib/apt-setup/generators/50mirror backed up
05:14<NerdyWhiteGuy>main-menu[190]: INFO: Menu item 'apt-setup-udeb' selected
05:14<NerdyWhiteGuy>oh, woops. Switch the 1st and 3rd, there.
05:15<NerdyWhiteGuy>The same thing happens if I select "Select and install software", except that the name of the menu item is 'pkgsel'.
05:15<NerdyWhiteGuy>Is this because I had to mount /cdrom manually?
05:16<NerdyWhiteGuy>Should I unmount /cdrom and try again?
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05:25<NerdyWhiteGuy>ok, this seems to be working.
05:27<NerdyWhiteGuy>Unmounting /cdrom and then selecting "Configure the package manager" seemed to fail the first time, but when I selected it again it started working.
05:27<NerdyWhiteGuy>Then it complained about the mirror not working, so I told it ftp.us.debian.org, and it seems as happy as a clam at high tide.
05:28<babilen>NerdyWhiteGuy: You wouldn't normally log in as root, but it is nice if you *can* if you have to. Users would simply use sudo by default and you should keep in mind that users can break the system with sudo just the same.
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05:29<NerdyWhiteGuy>Hrm.
05:29<NerdyWhiteGuy>Is there a way to put a message on sudo?
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05:30<NerdyWhiteGuy>Something akin to "This might void your warranty". Just to make the average user think twice.
05:32<babilen>You can set "Defaults lecture=always" and "Defaults lecture_file=/path/to/some/file" in /etc/sudoers which would include the content of /path/to/file every time the user uses sudo.
05:32<babilen>(see sudoers(5) for more details)
05:33<NerdyWhiteGuy>Perfect.
05:33<SynrGy>NerdyWhiteGuy: 'Is this because I had to mount /cdrom manually?' sounds like you wrote the image incorrectly, by the way.
05:33<babilen>The default "lecture" is: http://paste.debian.net/203389/ but that is only shown once
05:33<babilen>Ah, yeah. How did you write the image?
05:34<SynrGy>if you're going to successfully finish the install, well and good, but you should know how to do it properly for next time.
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05:35<babilen>Well, it is not clear if the bootloader will install correctly
05:35<NerdyWhiteGuy>I'm booted from an iso via grub via syslinux.
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05:36<babilen>never done that
05:36<NerdyWhiteGuy>I went through a bit of a saga with jm _ (space inserted to not msg him unnecessarily) earlier to get the thing to work.
05:37<babilen>I only ever install from USB sticks or PXE these days
05:37<babilen>Well, sounds as if it doesn't quite work yet
05:37<jm_>i have trigger for *jm* :)
05:37<babilen>haha :)
05:38<NerdyWhiteGuy>heh
05:38<SynrGy>NerdyWhiteGuy: so you're writing the HOWTO as you go, which you'll publish? :)
05:38<NerdyWhiteGuy>I've saved the important part of the chat log.
05:39<NerdyWhiteGuy>I really should make a blog or something to document the crazy things that I end up doing.
05:39<babilen>May I ask why you didn't go for a more, well, standard procedure?
05:40<NerdyWhiteGuy>I used a program called YUMI, which I've used to put several other isos on my flashdrive, including a custom Win7 all in one, F4UBCD, and several other linux distros.
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05:40<NerdyWhiteGuy>I didn't want to have to redo my entire flashdrive, so I tried to get YUMI to work with the netinst image.
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05:41<NerdyWhiteGuy>And I'm using the netinst image because I'm installing to a Pentium M with 512MB of RAM.
05:41<SynrGy>so whatever you learn may be of interest to yumi users (or yumi devs?) our standard advice is to avoid such programs as they tend to make a mess of debian-installer
05:41<SynrGy>unetbootin is in the same class of program
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05:42<NerdyWhiteGuy>I'll make sure to send something there way.
05:42<NerdyWhiteGuy>They have preconfigured options for the live cds, but not the net installer
05:43<NerdyWhiteGuy>I could boot the iso, no problem.
05:43<NerdyWhiteGuy>The problem was that the installer couldn't find itself once it booted.
05:43<NerdyWhiteGuy>So it would get stuck trying to find the release file.
05:44<babilen>Yeah, those are exactly the kind of problems why we typically discourage people from using tools such as unetbootin
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05:45<NerdyWhiteGuy>jm_ and I eventually hashed out that it was because the loop module wasn't loaded, which I needed to mount the iso in /cdrom.
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05:47<NerdyWhiteGuy>He found where loop.ko was hiding in the .udeb on the .iso, I extracted it to the root of my flashdrive, loaded the module, mounted the iso, and away it flew.
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05:48<NerdyWhiteGuy>It seems like lots of these shenanigans could just be solved by 1) including the loop module 2) scanning the roots of USBs for the iso if a physical CD can't be found.
05:49<NerdyWhiteGuy>Heck, if it can't find a real cd, just have it ask where the iso might be located.
05:49<jm_>I think it already looks for ISO on the USB
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05:49<NerdyWhiteGuy>Oh, but was that only with the new versions of grub?
05:49<jm_>but in your case that doesn't help it since it was unable to mount /cdrom
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05:50<NerdyWhiteGuy>\m/
05:50<jm_>naah, that blog post was slighlty different, i.e. boot iso from grub, ala grub-imageboot/grml-rescue
05:52<NerdyWhiteGuy>Another quick question: If I don't choose "print server" in software selection, I can always go and a metapackage or something later that will give me all that, right?
05:53<NerdyWhiteGuy>*go and install a
05:54<jm_>you can run tasksel later and get exact same choices
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05:54<NerdyWhiteGuy>ah.
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05:54<NerdyWhiteGuy>Does CUPS and all that take up much resources?
05:55<jm_>no
05:55<babilen>That *really* depends on the box you are installing on.
05:55<jm_>but if it's really a 512M system you'll want to get rid of everything you can and even then it might be very little these days
05:57<NerdyWhiteGuy>I'm not even sure if this guy has a printer to hook up, so I'll just remember tasksel for later in case he does.
05:57<NerdyWhiteGuy>I might even tell him to sell the printer and buy a new system.
05:59<NerdyWhiteGuy>OK, so now I'm second guessing everything. 1) Debian desktop environment 2) ... LXDE 3) standard system utilities
05:59<NerdyWhiteGuy>Sound good?
05:59<babilen>I don't like LXDE
05:59<babilen>But if that is what *you* want then: Sure, sounds good
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06:01<NerdyWhiteGuy>What would happen if I omitted the utilities? I mean, I assume a system has to have things like cat, grep, sed, and such to run, so what exactly does it mean?
06:01<babilen>You'll still have everything the system needs to run, but users might be surprised that some utilities they consider to be essential are missing. Those can, however, always be installed later on
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06:03<NerdyWhiteGuy>ok, I'll omit that, too.
06:03<jm_>note that installing those only takes space on the hard drive, it doesn't mean less other resources will be available
06:04<NerdyWhiteGuy>According to this article from 5 years ago, LXDE is better as far as performance goes: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_desktop_vitals
06:05<p0rk0ff>hi, i got "550 messages to the PTS require an X-PTS-Approved header" for a packages.qa.debian.org recipient, replying to all recipient for a bug report. how will it be notified then?
06:05<babilen>I personally prefer i3 or another minimal window manager
06:05<NerdyWhiteGuy>Wikipedia cited it, so it *must* be the definitive answer. ¯\_(._.)_/¯
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06:05<babilen>NerdyWhiteGuy: It's okay and certainly a "lighter" option. But you should keep in mind that "light" isn't everything and that choice of WM or DE is inherently subjective
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06:08<NerdyWhiteGuy>I'll check out i3, and see how this guy likes lxde. I'll make sure to stress that things such as the windows manager can be changed if he doesn't like it.
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06:09<NerdyWhiteGuy>He seemed to get it when I was explaining how linux is made up of "packages" while Windows is a giant monolith.
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06:10<babilen>Oh, don't give him i3 then :)
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06:10<babilen>fluxbox or openbox might be an alternative though
06:10<babilen>(if you want to go the WM route, but I'd argue that a desktop environment is a better choice for a new user)
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06:11<NerdyWhiteGuy>Is i3 more for the power user?
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06:12<babilen>It is a tiling window manager (which means that it arranges windows automatically), is configured completely via editing a configuration file and controlled via the keyboard
06:12<NerdyWhiteGuy>heh. I've got a friend who swears up and down by awesome, which from what he tells me is similar.
06:13<babilen>yeah, awesome is similar
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06:14<NerdyWhiteGuy>I'd probably like it, but I'm far too lazy to go out of my way to set it all up.
06:15<NerdyWhiteGuy>Which probably explains why I always stay with whatever environment the OS comes with.
06:15<babilen>Understandable, I would, however, recommend to give i3 a try once to check if you like it.
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06:15<NerdyWhiteGuy>I've liked all of them well enough, thus far, with the exception of unity.
06:16<babilen>I'd personally give new users Gnome and let them explore Linux from there. Once they are comfortable enough to understand that a system isn't one monolithic block, but made up of many interchangeable parts they can go their own route. That way they start with a reasonably "standard" experience that is being shared by a large number of other beginners ...
06:17<babilen>They can also keep on using the Gnome software stack in the future even though they might not use the gnome-shell as desktop environment (something I do quite a lot)
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06:17<babilen>LXDE is a bit of an exotic choice, but definitely minimal
06:18<NerdyWhiteGuy>Yeah. If the guy had a more modern laptop, I'd have given him Linux Mint MATE or something.
06:18*babilen nods
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06:19<NerdyWhiteGuy>I suppose I could select the XFCE task here as well, since as it'd only be taking up harddrive space when not being used.
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06:21<NerdyWhiteGuy>I've grown fond of XFCE on my 993MB AspireOne netbook, although getting the panel plugins to behave took some coercing.
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06:22<NerdyWhiteGuy>Unfortunately, Browser Wars 2.0 has left it nie-unusable for web browsing.
06:22<NerdyWhiteGuy>I _really_ should have left my Firefox package frozen at 25, or something.
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06:26<NerdyWhiteGuy>Alright, well, the installer is happily rolling along downloading updates.
06:27<NerdyWhiteGuy>I'll leave this thing going, and get myself to bed.
06:27<NerdyWhiteGuy>So, once again, I'd like to say a big THANK YOU to everyone here.
06:27<NerdyWhiteGuy>Y'all are awesome.
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07:14<SynrGy>p0rk0ff: you probably want to talk to the PTS maintainer about that, but it sounds like you're doing something that shouldn't really be done. what are you trying to do?
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07:15<SynrGy>p0rk0ff: my guess is that without that approval, the message would be discarded.
07:16<SynrGy>sec. i guess there should be doc somewhere on X-PTS-Approved ...
07:17<SynrGy>p0rk0ff: see https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/resources.html#pkg-tracking-system
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07:18<SynrGy>p0rk0ff: you don't really want to contact all the subscribers to a bug, do you? if you just want to add info to the bug, just send to ######@bugs.debian.org, where ###### is the bug#
07:19<SynrGy>oh, subscribers to a package, hmm
07:19<SynrGy>well, same principle. did you just want to contact the maintainer?
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07:19<SynrGy>if so, the appropriate way to do that is filing a bug (or commenting on a bug) on the package
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07:48<p0rk0ff>SynrGy: sorry was afk
07:48<p0rk0ff>SynrGy: i submitted a bug, and the mantainer added other parties as cc
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07:49<p0rk0ff>so i replied to all, not only to the bug address, thinking those other parties need to be kept cc'ed
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07:51<p0rk0ff>the message indeed has been discarded, it has returned back from my mail provider saying it couldn't be delivered due to that X-PTS-Approved return code
07:51<p0rk0ff>i'm going to read your link
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07:55<shahalam>hi all i need some help with network manager
07:56<shahalam>unable to import .ovpn files
07:56<svetlana>i would import them into a vpn program instead of network manager
07:56<shahalam>how ever this works perfectly fine
07:56<shahalam>sudo openvpn --config Romania.ovpn
07:57<shahalam>svetlana would you suggest something please
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08:58<icebreaker>hi
08:58<icebreaker>everyone
08:59<SynrGy>do you have a support question? this isn't for chatting, but for debian support.
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09:00<icebreaker>why not chat
09:01<icebreaker>chat with each other aboutdebian
09:01<icebreaker>ok?????
09:02<icebreaker>lanuage superidiot
09:02<blast007>!offtopic
09:02<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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09:32<p0rk0ff>hey SynrGy, did you read my answer above? is it a good practice to keep others in the cc field?
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09:48<SynrGy>p0rk0ff: missed it. um, unless you know some other parties need to be CC'd, i usually drop all CCs and only keep the bug#
09:48<SynrGy>p0rk0ff: i would need to see the headers to be sure
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09:50<SynrGy>p0rk0ff: any time i respond to a cross-post, i re-evaluate why it's there (is it just to draw others' attention to the crossposter's remarks, or the whole discussion?) usually you can save a lot of people a lot of bother by dropping any that look unnecessary
09:50<p0rk0ff>SynrGy: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=787781
09:50<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/787781 in gnupg-agent (open, help, moreinfo): «gnupg-agent: broken pipe error when a program using agent is invoked by stdbuf -oL»; severity: normal; opened: 2015-06-04; last modified: 2015-06-05.
09:50<SynrGy>crossposting is annoying and should be avoided.
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09:52<SynrGy>p0rk0ff: ah. so this was to keep the 'pass' subscribers (a superset of pass maintainers and other interested parties) 'in the loop' discussing a bug that affects pass but is not on pass itself.
09:53<p0rk0ff>SynrGy: mhhh
09:53<SynrGy>p0rk0ff: so if you think your comments are of significance/interest to that group of people, yes, just add the header with non-blank value as the error message indicates.
09:54<p0rk0ff>SynrGy: any value? and where exactly?
09:54<SynrGy>ideally, the system should handle this itself. if a bug 'Affects' another package, the PTS subscribers of that package should see traffic on it, imho
09:55<p0rk0ff>yes seems fair
09:56<SynrGy>p0rk0ff: any non-empty value is how the doc says it, so i gues 'true' is as good as any
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09:56<SynrGy>as to where, in your mail headers.
09:57<SynrGy>i believe BTS accepts pseudoheaders in the start of the body of the message ...
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09:58<SynrGy>https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting
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09:59<SynrGy>p0rk0ff: see the section there Pseudo-Headers
09:59<p0rk0ff>mhhh, so what's the point of any value? i think i read it was for prevent spamming... does any value prevent spam?
09:59<p0rk0ff>SynrGy: ok thanks
10:00<SynrGy>only someone with intimate knowledge of the BTS & PTS would know to put the pseudo-header there. it doesn't prevent spam outright, but seriously diminishes the chances of non-PTS-aware spammers from getting messages through
10:00<SynrGy>a venn diagram of spammers and people who know how to use PTS properly probably has a near-zero size at the intersection :)
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10:02<p0rk0ff>lol
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10:05<p0rk0ff>ok, so if there will be the need the next time i'll add a non blank header... anyways, like you, i think the system handles this on his own once another package is set as affected in a bug
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10:13<p0rk0ff>anyways thanks for your nice support SynrGy
10:13<p0rk0ff>:)
10:15<SynrGy>np
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10:21<debijit>some trouble,, no files shoing in my webserver index
10:22<debijit>when i look at www/ there is a lot
10:22<debijit>preety sure there exist index.php
10:23<duclicsic>apache? i think the default document root changed to /var/www/html at some point in the recent past
10:23<duclicsic>used to just be /var/www
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10:24<duclicsic>your question isn't entirely clear though, are you saying when you browse to the site you get nothing?
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10:24<debijit>www/html ,,, k got it,,
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10:24<duclicsic>but the files are in place when you look in the document root?
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10:26<duclicsic>debijit: that said, just check your apache config to confirm which document root it's using
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10:35<knocte>switching from testing to unstable, and doing apt-get update, shows this warnings, is this expected? https://gist.githubusercontent.com/knocte/e9f0553706be36f492c5/raw/36ea1eadda4a6c40095177b7d93a201ec1ede6a1/log.txt
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10:35<Ryccardo>yep, sid doesn't have volatile or security repos
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10:36<knocte>ok thanks
10:36<peter1138>If you don't understand that, maybe you should reevaluate switching to unstable?
10:36<Ryccardo>keep only "the first line" (and maybe its deb-src equivalent)
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10:36<Ryccardo>by the way, if you were running stretch, you wouldn't have needed volatile anyway
10:37<knocte>any docs on switching from X to Y by manually editing sources.list?
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10:38<Ryccardo>you basically have said the procedure (edit, update, dist-upgrade), what you didn't know is that stable has 4 repos (regular/security/volatile/backports), testing only the first 2, sid only the first 1
10:39<knocte>k
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10:40*knocte dist-upgrades now
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10:48<root_>how to upgrade from debian 7 wheezy to debian 8 jessie
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10:49<Ryccardo>basically, update your backup, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change all "wheezy" to "jessie", apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade
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11:35<carlitos>holaa
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11:35<carlitos>holaaaa
11:36<carlitos>hay alguien?
11:36<gnugr>!es
11:36<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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11:37<carlitos>como se hace?
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11:40<tethra>hmm, i just tried to file an ITP with reportbug and got a stack trace and a http 500
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12:00<nithin>Just installed the debian 8 after removing ubuntu.. How can I install softwares on this os?
12:00<nithin>I mean I could not find any software centers
12:01<Ryccardo>you probably have Synaptic installed
12:01<nithin>I tried command to install chromium/firefox browser
12:01<nithin>but Unable to do it
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12:01<Ryccardo>or, of course, you can use apt-get or aptitude (the latter also has an interactive UI with package list and all)
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12:02<Guest628>You can download a binary of Firefox, just Google it.
12:02<Guest628>For Chrome, Google maintains a repository.
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12:02<nithin>we don't have to add anything in the source.list file right?
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12:03<Ryccardo>generally, no (in Chrome's case it will add its own repo after installing, so that you'll get updates just like the regular system)
12:04<nithin>alright.. so we can download the chrom from google and install it right?
12:04<Ryccardo>if you use x86 or amd64, yep
12:04<nithin>I didn't like this iceweasel browser ;)
12:05<ibag>i u
12:05<Ryccardo>you'll get a .deb from google's site, then open a terminal and type in: sudo dpkg -i and drag and drop the deb in the terminal window, press enter ant input your password if asked, if you get errors don't worry but type: sudo apt-get -f install
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12:06<ibag>i think that debian must not offer google.s browser in official packets
12:06<nithin>Ryccardo: thanks man.. Let me try that now
12:07<knocte>when upgrading from stable to testing (and now to unstable, still same problem), my gnome-based GUI login doesn't work (doesn't show up) and I have to resort to CTRL+ALT+Fn to login in text mode, any ideas how to fix it?
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12:09<ibag>and also in gnome desktop, acces to google, i think is against debian philosophy
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12:09<Ryccardo>ibag: the main difference between chromium and chrome, now that both include PDF support, are the icon and Flash, the latter part is closed so Chrome will never be in main
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12:11<ibag>yes, but i feel that is continues to be a google s browser, not a free one
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12:12<ibag>ryccardo:
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12:14<at0m|c>long as they're serving half the internet and ads, they will not run their browser let alone OS here.
12:14*Ryccardo Bit Rate:72.2 Mb/s Tx-Power=36 dBm I did it!
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12:24<blast007>Guest628: you really shouldn't recommend using firefox/chrome from outside sources over iceweasel/chromium
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12:26<benediktBaraka>Hello everybody, I really need help here. Is this the proper channel to post my question ?
12:26<blast007>Ryccardo: 'pepperflashplugin-nonfree - This package will download Chrome from Google, and unpack it to make the included Pepper Flash Player available for use with Chromium'
12:26<Ryccardo>benediktBaraka: if using debian 8, sure
12:26<benediktBaraka>ok
12:28<Ryccardo>blast007: yep, at which point you could use chrome anyway (I don't mainly because I don't want extra sources to waste my network capacity)
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12:29<benediktBaraka>I am trying to install Symantec Endpoint Protection on four Debian 8 boxes. I managed to install JCE 7 and the install script works, however for the Autoprotect function I need to build it, since the kernel isn't supported out of the box. I have never done this before. When I run the included build.sh I get the following error mesage: CFLAGS was changed in "/src/symev/Makefile". Fix it to use ccflags-y. and then the build aborts.
12:30<benediktBaraka>it's the client I am trying to install
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12:31<benediktBaraka>I opened the Makefile file in Kate but can not find where to change it.
12:32<benediktBaraka>Of course I did google it and tried to fix it but nothing works. Any help would be greatly apreciated.
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12:35<blast007>benediktBaraka: for that, you might have to contact Symantec's support
12:35<benediktBaraka>According to Symantec website the last supported version of Debian is version 6.
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12:36<benediktBaraka>Of course Symantec support, which I did contact already tells me that they only provide full support for RHEL and Suse Enterprise
12:37<benediktBaraka>I tried also several linux distros, includng fedora
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12:43<phillipsjk__>So apparently Debian did not clobber my mail configuration back in late January. My ISP at the time simply started blocking port 25.
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12:49<somiaj>phillipsjk__: that is common for isp's to do. If you use smtp over ssl it will sometimes work as they only usually block port 25.
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12:52<blast007>benediktBaraka: I can't find a message like that in the SEP 12.1.6 kernel module files
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12:53<benediktBaraka>Is there somewhere wher I can paste the full terminal output ?
12:53<blast007>!paste
12:53<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
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12:55<benediktBaraka>ok here it is: paste.debian.net/204369
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13:11<blast007>benediktBaraka: assuming that build.sh is setting the 'USE_EXTRAFLAGS' option correctly, you could try replacing 'EXTRA_CFLAGS' in /src/symev/Makefile with 'ccflags-y'
13:11<blast007>benediktBaraka: http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0709.3/2581.html
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13:14<blast007>Though I'm not sure if the 'y' is literal or a placeholder.
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13:15<benediktBaraka>ok, I tried that but I still get the same error :(
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13:17<blast007>benediktBaraka: and just to clarify, are you using SEP 12.1.6?
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13:21<benediktBaraka>nope, it's 12.1.5
13:21<blast007>benediktBaraka: k. what does this result in? grep LINUX_VERSION_CODE /usr/src/linux-headers-3.16.0-4-686-pae/include/linux/version.h | awk '{print $3}'
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13:23<blast007>benediktBaraka: maybe just replace the 'CFLAGS' with 'ccflags-y' in /src/symev/Makefile as well
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13:23<benediktBaraka>I did that already
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13:24<blast007>so you've replaced bith 'EXTRA_CFLAGS' and 'CFLAGS' with 'ccflags-y'?
13:24<blast007>both*
13:24<benediktBaraka>yes
13:25<benediktBaraka>ah, now I get new error messages
13:25<blast007>heh
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13:26<benediktBaraka>here they are http://paste.debian.net/download/204417
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13:30<blast007>benediktBaraka: back to an earlier question, what does this result in? grep LINUX_VERSION_CODE /usr/src/linux-headers-3.16.0-4-686-pae/include/linux/version.h | awk '{print $3}'
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13:32<LetsFindOut>hi i just installed gparted and when i run it, it gives this error message, "The driver descriptor says the physical block size is 2048 bytes, but Linux says it is 512 bytes."
13:34<benediktBaraka>nothing
13:35<benediktBaraka>root@EPN4:/src# grep LINUX_VERSION_CODE /usr/src/linux-headers-3.16.0-4-686-pae/include/linux/version.h | awk '{print $3}'
13:35<benediktBaraka>root@EPN4:/src#
13:36<blast007>does /usr/src/linux-headers-3.16.0-4-686-pae/include/linux/version.h exist?
13:37<blast007>LetsFindOut: is that a warning or an error?
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13:38<LetsFindOut>blast007, a dialog box appear which says that,
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13:42<benediktBaraka>I just checked in the file manager, it doesn't
13:43<benediktBaraka>woops, sorry, it does
13:43<benediktBaraka>I went to the wrong folder
13:44<benediktBaraka>it's an empty file though
13:46<blast007>Does this file have something in it? /usr/src/linux-headers-3.16.0-4-686-pae/include/generated/uapi/linux/version.h
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13:46<benediktBaraka>nope, I opened it in Kate and it's blank
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13:47<hek>whats the way i update debian
13:47<hek>sudo apt-get upgrade?
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13:48<blast007>depends what you mean by 'update'. Just wanting to make sure your packages are up-to-date?
13:48<hek>upgrade the software i mean
13:48<hek>cause there is no app
13:48<benediktBaraka>ok, I just checked /usr/src/linux-headers-3.16.0-4-686-pae/include/generated/uapi/linux/version.h. It contains the following #define LINUX_VERSION_CODE 200711
13:48<benediktBaraka>#define KERNEL_VERSION(a,b,c) (((a) << 16) + ((b) << 8) + (c))
13:49<blast007>yep, that will work then (though depending on your configuration, you may need to run 'apt-get update' first to get an updated package list)
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13:49<hek>ok blast007 is that the official way to upgrade debian
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13:50<blast007>hek: this might be useful to read through: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_basic_package_management_operations
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13:52<hek>ok thanks blast007
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13:53<blast007>benediktBaraka: the build.sh file was supposed to check if /usr/src/linux-headers-3.16.0-4-686-pae/include/linux/version.h exists, and if not, it is supposed to make it a symbolic link to /usr/src/linux-headers-3.16.0-4-686-pae/include/generated/uapi/linux/version.h - so is /usr/src/linux-headers-3.16.0-4-686-pae/include/linux/version.h a symbolic link? (check with 'ls -l /usr/src/linux-headers-3.16.0-4-686-pae/include/linux/version.h' and ...
13:53<blast007>... it should show -> pointing to the other path)
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13:58<benediktBaraka>should I revert the modifications I made to makefile ?
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13:59<benediktBaraka>ok it tells me that the file doesn't exist
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14:00<che>I'm trying to set up some tunnel only SSH accounts using tips from here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8021/allow-user-to-set-up-an-ssh-tunnel-but-nothing-else
14:00<che>But when I put the command="..." in the authorized_keys file, once that command executes the session closes, and so do the tunnels. Is there a way to override/prevent any ssh commands but still keep the session (and tunnels) open?
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14:04<jathan>Hello debian channel. I have a problem with amavis.service in Debian Jessie. When I try to start it I got the output:
14:04<jathan>Job for amavis.service failed. See 'systemctl status amavis.service' and 'journalctl -xn' for details.
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14:05<jathan>And when I excute systemctl status amavis.service I got:
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14:06<jathan>http://paste.debian.net/204533/
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14:07<jathan>Can someone help me to solve this please?
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14:08<Maulkin>jathan: It tells you what to do in the second bit of that mail.
14:08<Maulkin>line 7-11 of your paste
14:09<jathan>Oh yes a FQDN. Thanks Maulkin ;)
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14:39<FuZi0N>Does proxmox 3.4 work in debian jessie?
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14:50<nick>Hi, Once my debian jessie system is installed does linux support using my existing ethernet port to plug in my windows 7 ultimate laptop into it so I can use the network abilities of one machine connected to my wireless network to download the wifi drivers in windows for the other system?
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15:07<acald3ron>i got this "500 OOPS: vsftpd: refusing to run with writable root inside chroot()"
15:09<retrospectacus>make the chroot root unwriteable
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15:11<acald3ron>found the solution here: https://www.benscobie.com/fixing-500-oops-vsftpd-refusing-to-run-with-writable-root-inside-chroot/
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15:12<blast007>acald3ron: which solution did you use from there?
15:13<acald3ron>chmod a-w /home/user
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15:17<sleser>is there similar app for linux like so : https://www.google.com/search?q=cctv+cms+2.19&biw=1274&bih=1065&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=efRxVe_iCO_fsAS794ugAw&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ#tbm=isch&q=cctv+cms&imgrc=BBk3xUwiHC5i0M%253A%3BPybPv4m-D4t3rM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fi.ytimg.com%252Fvi%252FS4Go5lhlB94%252Fmaxresdefault.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.youtube.com%252Fwatch%253Fv%253DS4Go5lhlB94%3B992%3B720
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15:19<blast007>sleser: DVR/CCTV software?
15:19<sleser>yeh
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15:20<blast007>there is ZoneMinder, but it's not packaged for Debian
15:20<sleser>cctv sofwtae so i shold be able to see my dvr from anywhere in the world on a linux laptop or desk
15:20<sleser>zoneminder wont work for this dvr
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15:21<blast007>so you already have a DVR?
15:21<sleser>yes now i need to remote view it on linux laptop
15:21<sleser>dvr is in another location over internet
15:22<blast007>that doesn't really have anything to do with Debian then, right?
15:22<sleser>the link i shown for exemple is a remote viewer app but for windows
15:22<sleser>yeh im using debian i need a app that i can work with on debian no windows
15:23<blast007>so you need a application for Debian for your proprietary DVR platform?
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15:23<sleser>for my laptop
15:23<sleser>dvr has its own linux base software
15:24<sleser>basicaly i need to acces this dvr now and view the cameras on a debian laptop
15:24<blast007>who makes the DVR software?
15:24<sleser>i have no clue
15:24<sleser>there no distro for that linux
15:24<sleser>dosnt even have a terminal
15:25<blast007>you're not really giving us any useful information here
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15:26<sleser>i just know it works with a ddns domain
15:26<sleser>in order for me to connect to this dvr
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15:29<blast007>(and I guess I should have said that zoneminder is not packaged for Jessie, but seems to be in newer and older releases)
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15:29<sergio-br2>hi
15:29<sergio-br2>Is OSS enable on debian kernel?
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15:31<sleser>blast007 http://secutroncctv.com/secutron/?document_srl=5312 i need this how dvr works i dont know if i have this app i should be fine
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15:31<sleser>but the linux link wont let me get it
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15:33<blast007>so contact them
15:34<sleser>contact link wont work ether
15:35<sleser>oh i got it
15:35<sleser>worked
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15:48<sleser>how do i install libtiff.so.3 on jessie
15:49<retrospectacus>,file libtiff.so.3
15:49<judd>No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file.
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15:51<sleser>so then my app wont work without this file
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15:52<towo`>maybe ut works with libtiff4
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15:53<towo`>or libtiff5
15:53<sleser>i have libtif5 instaled like apper showing
15:53<sleser>./xCMS: error while loading shared libraries: libtiff.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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15:55<towo`>sleser, you could make a symlink libtiff.so.3 which points to libtiff.so.5
15:55<towo`>but better would be recompile the app against the recent libtiff5
15:55<zlatan>sleser, as towo suggested and also to notice, libtiff3 is like ANCIENT
15:56<tethra>hmm, trying to reportbug against wnpp and getting python stack trace indicating a HTTP 500 being returned
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15:57<sleser>i dont know how to make a symlink libtiff.so.3 which points to libtiff.so.5 , and also not sure after doing all that if itll work at all
15:57<tethra>is there something up with wnpp? got the same thing earlier
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15:57<towo`>sleser, man ln
15:57<blast007>probably won't work anyways
15:58<sleser>let it not work then manuals are too large to read
15:59<towo`>if it needs libtiff.so.3 i would oracle there are more libs needed, which are ancient old
15:59<towo`>from that secret app
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16:00<sleser>app is no sicret anyone can try its xcms
16:00<sleser>thats why i was wondering if there is something that works under todays linux
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16:12<gryps>how can i create a second loopback interface?
16:12<gryps>apparently, loopback interfaces are not numbered, so how do i get a second one?
16:12<imMute>gryps: what do you need one for?
16:13<gryps>i have one named bound to eth0, one bound to 127.0.0.1 ... no i need a third named daemon running, which should be bound to a second loopback address
16:14<imMute>gryps: "one" what? a daemon? also, you don't need another interface - just another address on lo.
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16:14<gryps>one = one running daemon process
16:16<blast007>do you even need to add another address at all? I was able to bind something to 127.0.0.2 just fine.
16:16<gryps>it's a bit difficult, let me rephrase it:
16:16<gryps>one named daemon is listening on eth0, providing public dns zones
16:16<gryps>one named daemon is listening on 127.0.0.1 as resolver for local processes
16:17<gryps>now the machine has several tunX interfaces with openvpn, for which i need a third daemon process
16:17<gryps>and i thought it might be convinient to configure an additional ip address on lo, and have the openvpn clients having this ip address routed through the tunnel
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16:18<blast007>have you tried simply running the third instance and binding it to another 127.x.x.x address?
16:19<gryps>didn't try that, because 127/8 is dropped by the firewalls running on the openvpn clients
16:19<blast007>I don't know how to do it for the VPN setup.
16:20<gryps>so i thought i bind a named process to 10.x.y.z something, and route it through the tunnel
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16:47<LetsFindOut>anyone use genymotion? or can anyone tell me why genymotion gives this error and then it don't run? error = Cannot mix incompatible Qt library (version 0x40806) with this library (version 0x40802)
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16:49<LetsFindOut>that error is in it's log file
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16:51<Lucky_>Hi
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17:03<Ryccardo>sergio-br2: the sound system? nope
17:04<sergio-br2>thanks
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17:22<linuxlite>How I can install wifi programm for password?
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17:37<sapientech>hi everyone, I was wondering is someone could help me set up either a wifi connection or ethernet connection. I have looked through the debian documentation but am still confused
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17:40<phillipsjk__>Most the time wired connections should be auto-configured via DHCP
17:41<zlatan>sapientech, eth should work out of box as phillipsjk__ already wrote ^
17:42<sapientech>so let me explain what happened: I accidentally deleted software from my computer that is preventing me from logging in. I have entered my credentials via tty1, and am trying to establish a connection to download tasksel
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17:43<sapientech>so I tried an ethernet connection, restarted my computer even, but still haven't been able to download it. Each time I get 'tasksel: aptitude failed (100)
17:43<phillipsjk__>the "ifconfig" command should tell you what interfaces are up.
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17:44<phillipsjk__>You should have at least two: lo and ethx or wlanx
17:45<sapientech>yes i have lo and wlan0
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17:46<sapientech>however, I get failure on sudo apt-get update and sudo tasksel, getting 'failed to fetch' errors
17:47<zlatan>sapientech, could you paste (via paste.debian.net) you sources.list and your network interfaces?
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17:48<zlatan>I assume you are missing maybe firmware for wireless but that is not helpful if you don't have working connection
17:48<phillipsjk__>!dhclient
17:48<dpkg>To set up a DHCP client in Debian 3.0 and later, edit the /etc/network/interfaces file and put "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in it. Then do "ifup -a" or reboot. See also <resolv.conf>, <override dns>.
17:49<phillipsjk__>That may get wired working.
17:49<sapientech>sure, how would I do that from a different computer?
17:49<sapientech>just type them out?
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17:50<zlatan>from a different computer? well, I guess type them into paste.debian.net (they shouldn't be big anyway)
17:50<phillipsjk__> copy the files to a USB stick or floppy?
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17:58<sapientech>alright i just sent it
18:00<zlatan>sapientech, ?
18:01<sapientech>I posted the code on paste.debian.net?
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18:04<zlatan>oh dear
18:04<zlatan>sapientech, well give us a link here
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18:05<sapientech>o, got it, sorry: paste.debian.net/205058
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18:09<zlatan>sapientech, you aren't using debian but trisquel
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18:09<sapientech>o sorry, is this for debian only?
18:09<zlatan>yes
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18:11<sapientech>apologies, do you recommend any group I should join?
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18:13<zlatan>sapientech, there is #trisquel on freenode
18:13<zlatan>sapientech, for wifi you could read https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse
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18:16<zlatan>sapientech, you are probably missing a nonfree firmware for your wireless (also I am not sure why eth doesn't work for you out of the box)
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18:16<zlatan>sapientech, but better to ask people who know in-depths of trisquel work :)
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18:28<birch>Hi all, trying to install JDK 7. These instructions don't specify if I install as root or regular user https://docs.oracle.com/javase/7/docs/webnotes/install/linux/linux-jdk.html#install-64 Do I install as root, and if so how do I change the permissions so the JDK can be used? Thanks!
18:28<sapientech>thanks a lot for your help zlatan
18:29<zlatan>sapientech, you welcome
18:30<Nemoder_>birch: have you tried openjdk or do you really need oracle's?
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18:33<zlatan>birch, we don't support oracle java. You could use java-package to create (via make-jpkg) to generate debian package from upstream jdk
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18:36<birch>Nemoder_, zlatan I would prefer to use openjdk but according to the Android M studio install I need the Oracle version.
18:36<birch>https://developer.android.com/sdk/installing/adding-packages.html <<<
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18:37<Nemoder_>well it's simple to install the openjdk-7-jre package, so it might be worth trying that first
18:38<Ryccardo>at least for building Android itself, at least since 4.3 you could build it with openjdk even though it printed a 8-line warning at start of compilation
18:38<Ryccardo>I'd expect it to use java 8 by now
18:38<birch>"Before you set up Android Studio, be sure you have installed JDK 6 or higher (the JRE alone is not sufficient)—JDK 7 is required when developing for Android 5.0 and higher. To check if you have JDK installed (and which version), open a terminal and type javac -version. If the JDK is not available or the version is lower than 6"
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18:39<zlatan>birch, just set jdk path to openjdk
18:39<birch>When I installed the first time and had the openjdk7, it cautioned me that there may be instabilities and I should use the oracle version instead.
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18:39<Ryccardo>yeah, that's what I meant
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18:44<birch>zlatan, if I install using tar zxvf jdk-7u79-linux-x64.tar.gz then the permissions are set so I don't think the user can actually use the JDK.
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18:46<zlatan>birch, https://wiki.debian.org/Java/Sun
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18:47<birch>zlatan, do I run as root?
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18:48<zlatan>birch, what?
18:48<birch>make-jpkg
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18:50<birch>zlatan, make-jpkg jdk-7u79-linux-x64.tar.gz
18:50<zlatan>birch, no, never build packages as root
18:51<birch>zlatan, what about installing the Android Studio?
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18:51<birch>it's unpacking the zip and then ./studio.sh
18:52<Ryccardo>vaguely sounds like a job for checkinstall
18:52<zlatan>birch, I don't know about Android Studio - it will probably ask for sudo/root if it needs
18:53<birch>zlatan, ok ty
18:53<birch>trying now
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18:57<birch>zlatan, here's the output from the make-jpkg https://paste.debian.net/205208/
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18:57<teraquendya>quick question regarding the boot sequence with a failing drive.
18:58<teraquendya>i have a server with a failing drive, and it stops in the boot process until you press ctrl+d
18:58<teraquendya>fstab seem to have a nofail option, but the docs say that is for when it is missing, not failed
18:59<teraquendya>is there an option for continuing the boot when secondary drives fail during boot? and maybe send an email
18:59<Ryccardo>maybe you could cheat and use noauto, then mount it "manually"
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19:00<zlatan>birch, it isn't the whole output and I personally don't use java...also at the end it says it built package although I am not sure if properly
19:00<Ryccardo>but I remember noauto still complaining about problematic disks, a few years ago
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19:03<teraquendya>i guess i could mount them in rc.local
19:04<teraquendya>ill try that, thanks
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19:13<DEXTER2\jhudson>it ran until the first reboot after upgrade (when systemd kicked in)
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19:35<gnugr>!ops please watch out
19:35<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: gnugr complains about: please watch out
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19:43<Ryccardo>gnugr: hmmm, look at 20:45 http://irclogs.thegrebs.com/oftc/2014/12/11
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20:05<LetsFindOut>hide, after installing nvidia driver, my screen resolution is only available max 640x480
20:05<LetsFindOut>how can i solve that?
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20:26<LetsFindOut>help me?
20:27<centrx>LetsFindOut, Try #debian on irc.freenode.net
20:27<centrx>LetsFindOut, It's more active right now
20:28<LetsFindOut>centrx, freenode don't support tor users
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20:31<Hydroxide>LetsFindOut: try here a bit later then. someone who knows might be able to help you.
20:31<Hydroxide>LetsFindOut: you can also use email to debian-user@lists.debian.org or the web forum at forums.debian.net
20:32<Hydroxide>LetsFindOut: this is friday evening or overnight Friday->Saturday in most US and European time zones
20:32<Hydroxide>LetsFindOut: so people may be doing something social away from the computer :)
20:32<LetsFindOut>hmmm, i see, thanks :) i'll wait
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20:35<Hydroxide>LetsFindOut: however, freenode does apparently support access via their Tor hidden service: https://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml#tor so you could try that
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20:36<Hydroxide>LetsFindOut: it looks like you do need to register an account with Freenode's NickServ though, so anonymity is only preserved versus network-level eavesdroppers
20:37<Hydroxide>LetsFindOut: however Freenode doesn't require more personal information than an email address, so it's still mostly anonymous/pseudonymous.
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20:46<rjsalts>What's the best way to track a few packages I've installed from unstable via debian source packages?
20:47<centrx>What do you mean?
20:47<centrx>track? They're in the dpkg/apt database
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20:47<rjsalts>I mean the apt cron job will get the new state of the repo from the deb-src line
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20:48<rjsalts>but it won't tell me this package I've done dpkg-buildpackage ... has been updated
20:48<rjsalts>and needs to be rebuilt again
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20:50<madez>Hello. the command "iceweasel --url=https://mentors.debian.net/package/dolphin-emu" segfaults for me always and also after a reboot.
20:51<madez>Also, starting iceweasel in safe mode with "iceweasel --safe-mode --url=https://mentors.debian.net/package/dolphin-emu" after reshreshing it leads to the segfault.
20:51<madez>Any ideas?
20:52<rjsalts>madez: probably either a bug in the build you have or bad ram
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20:52<madez>rjsalts, do you have an idea how to narrow the cause down?
20:53<rjsalts>madez: if it's bad ram then memtest86 can often sniff it out
20:53<rjsalts>madez: and have you kept your user profile in iceweasel when you've done it?
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20:54<rjsalts>madez: you could try moving the .mozilla folder in your home directory to see if there is something there it's loading that triggers the bug
20:56<madez>rjsalts, moving the folder doesn't solve the problem.
20:56<rjsalts>madez: what version of iceweasel is it?
20:56<madez>rjsalts, if it's a ram error, then it is very improbable to have the same error consistently even after several reboots, right?
20:57<madez>rjsalts, 37.0
20:57<rjsalts>madez: well if it's a fresh reboot and iceweasel is the first thing you load that takes enough memory to be loaded into the bad part
20:58<rjsalts>but you'd expect other software to be behaving strangely or crashing as well
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20:58<madez>rjsalts, I will reboot and start first a very memory intense program and then iceweasel
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20:59<madez>rjsalts, still, the same
20:59<madez>Any idea how to narrow down a segfault in iceweasel 37.0?
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21:02<rjsalts>madez: have a look at the core file, you'll want debugging symbols for iceweasel and the shared libraries it depends on
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21:03<rjsalts>madez: and make sure ulimit -c isn't set to 0
21:03<madez>rjsalts, were you able to reproduce the crash?
21:04<madez>rjsalts, it is set to 0
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21:04<madez>rjsalts, sorry, if I type ulimit -c I get 0 as a result.
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21:04<rjsalts>I have "ii iceweasel 31.7.0esr-1~ amd64 Web browser based on Firefox"
21:05<rjsalts>yeah, so ulimit -c unlimited to change it
21:06<madez>rjsalts, I still get the crash, but now the console reports that a core was dumped
21:06<madez>If you cannot reproduce the problem, I'll reinstall the system. If the problem presists, I will dig deeper.
21:06<madez>If it works, I'm happy to say a bit was flipped by cosmic rays and go on.
21:06<rjsalts>where is iceweasel 37.0 from?
21:07<madez>rjsalts, I installed Debian Jessie Beta and upgraded sometimes with aptitude.
21:08<rjsalts>if you're on jessie the latest package for iceweasel is 37.1, so maybe just do dist-upgrade
21:09<madez>rjsalts, aptitude dist-upgrade shows no packages to be updated.
21:10<rjsalts>madez: and dpkg -l iceweasel shows 37.0...?
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21:11<rjsalts>you installed from unstable at some point?
21:11<madez>"ii iceweasel 37.0-1 amd64 Web browser based on Firefox"
21:12<madez>rjsalts, I don't remember. Could very well be.
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21:13<madez_>rjsalts, http://paste.debian.net/205500/
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21:16<madez>rjsalts, I removed iceweasel, installed it again and now it works.
21:16<madez>it installed version 31.7.0
21:17<madez>31.7.0esr-1~
21:17<rjsalts>aye
21:17<madez>I wonder why the new version was not installed by the update + upgrade + dist-upgrade
21:17<madez>Do you have an idea what might have caused that?
21:17<rjsalts>37 > 31
21:17<madez>stupid me.
21:17<madez>Sorry.
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21:19<madez>rjsalts, thank you very much.
21:19<rjsalts>so that version must have been from http://snapshot.debian.org/package/iceweasel/37.0-1/
21:20<madez>rjsalts, sometimes I download packages from unstable and install them. Probably I did just that when iceweasel was version 37.0-1 in unstable.
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21:20<madez>rjsalts, now I learned why I maybe shouldn't do that.
21:21<centrx>You run the risk of basically upgrading your entire system to unstable
21:22<centrx>or if you're just downloading the .deb file from the Web, at some point it just won't work as unstable diverges from stable
21:23<madez>centrx, I downloaded the .deb file and installed that.
21:23<centrx>At some point, that just won't work
21:23<centrx>won't even install
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21:28<rjsalts>I'd say it was around 1st April
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22:10<S-KAY>yo stop man you fucking going too much dont let me know do this shyt
22:11<S-KAY>YO stuf
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22:45<Snni>Hello! Could anyone help me with a network issue?
22:45<Snni>Unless I use ifdown br0
22:45<Snni>Even if I connect to wifi
22:45<Snni>My internet connection doesn't work
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22:58<Guest719>y este tu nombre
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23:02<ryouma>after upgrade to jessie, ls --color=always no longer emits ansi codes
23:02<ryouma>i checked with od -a. the codes are not there
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23:09<raddy>hey guys I'm trying to install nvidia drivers and keep getting stuck
23:09<raddy>when I run the driver.run file it tells me I need to stop the gdm3 service
23:09<raddy>so I "/etc/init.d/gdm3 stop"
23:09<raddy>now how do I issue commands?
23:10<raddy>ls, help, nothing works
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23:10<raddy>its just a black screen that doesnt accept anything
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23:11<Snni>Have you tried restarting?
23:11<ryouma>raddy: i don't know jack (just upgraded today and might have to downgrade) but does systemctl maybe do something similar?
23:11<raddy>yeah but if I restart it will run the gdm3 service and I get stuck at the same point again
23:11<raddy>trying to stop it
23:11<ryouma>jessie broke my nvidia card
23:12<Snni>And I want to fix my internet
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23:34<raddy>I feel dumb, I got it to work from single user mode. That's all I had to do
23:34<Snni>I know that feel man
23:35<raddy>its always something simple that you overlook and are about to pull your hair out over haha
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23:35<Snni>Exactly!
23:35<Snni>lol
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23:39<ryouma>how do i debug the fact that ls is not emitting ansi codes anymore after upgrading to jessie?
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23:55<SamB_laptop>ryouma: do you have $LS_COLORS in the environment?
23:56<ryouma>SamB_laptop: it has it set to null, for some reason. however, my dot files do not contain it anywhere. it used to work without any further settings.
23:56<SamB_laptop>ryouma: I'm not sure why, but I seem to have it set, and it works here
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23:57<ryouma>what is it set to?
23:58<SamB_laptop>oh, I think its from the skeleton ~/.bashrc
23:58<SamB_laptop>i.e. see /etc/skel/.bashrc
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23:59<SamB_laptop>(of course, strictly speaking, mine would have been copied from there during the wheezy timeframe ...)
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