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00:51<support>hello all :)
00:52*support
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00:53<support>everyone sleeping :)
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00:56<GeekFreak>I am currently experiencing an issue with Debian Jessie on reboot
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00:57<GeekFreak>Where the system will hang indefinately
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01:00<musca>GeekFreak: https://wiki.debian.org/systemd
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01:01<musca>gone ...
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01:51<phizz>I have a question about installing debian from a live usb
01:53<phizz>I can't seem to create a UEFI-bootable usb from the live cd ISO
01:53<phizz>but when I use the regular or netinstall ISOs, they just boot into a GRUB console that doesn't work
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01:54<themill>I don't believe the live images can do uefi. You're always better off installing with the installer.
01:54<phizz>right...so I downloaded CD1 ISO
01:54<phizz>put that on a USB drive and it boots fine
01:54<themill>The installer doesn't use grub
01:54<phizz>but I get a GRUB console
01:55<phizz>and nothing else
01:55<themill>How are you putting it on the usb disk?
01:55<phizz>rufus, from a windows machine
01:56<themill>is rufus another one of these tools that does nasty things to the image rather than just copying it on?
01:56<phizz>no idea
01:56<phizz>can I just mount the ISO and copy all the files over?
01:57<themill>no, you copy the image to the device, obliterating the existing filesyste
01:57<themill>m
01:57<themill>(If you're seeing grub then it sounds like it is one of these tools that breaks the images rather than just copying them)
01:57<phizz>is there a windows tool to do that? I believe that's what rufus does
01:57<phizz>I've successfully used it with various ubuntus
01:58<themill>!win32diskimager
01:58<dpkg>win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show our .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details.
01:58<themill>That one is known to work. Never heard of rufus.
01:58<phizz>coolio, will try that
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02:02<phizz>I enjoy the 6 sigfigs in this tool's write-speed readout
02:03<phizz>5.37634 MB/s
02:03<themill>heh
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02:04<phizz>roger, this one worked
02:04<phizz>thanks greatly
02:05<phizz>put rufus on the "don't use this" list
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02:06<themill>ack
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02:08<phizz>ok, installing and it requires nonfree intel wireless drivers
02:08<phizz>what's the thing to do here?
02:10<phizz>nm, I found it
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02:20<Kitt3n>phizz, never had problems with rufus myself, nice and fast. :)
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02:23<phizz>eh, beats me
02:23<phizz>maybe I had a setting wrong
02:23<phizz>I also can't get it to install the intel wifi drivers as part of the install process
02:23<phizz>annoying
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02:27<Kitt3n>phizz, cant you just install them afterwards? :P
02:27<phizz>I hope so, yes :P
02:27<phizz>I downloaded the .deb
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02:28<twb>"apt-get install -s --install-recommends scribus" chooses hyphen-sh for "Recommends: hyphen-hyphenation-patterns". Why?
02:28<twb>I was expecting it to choose hyphen-af, since that's the first in the sort order
02:29<twb>(And I'm mildly surprised it doesn't have an explicit "hyphen-en|" to force English by default.)
02:30<SamB_laptop>twb: perhaps it just picks one arbitrarily
02:30<twb>I got -sh on two computers
02:30<themill>It was always accidental that it was picking them based on alphabetical order
02:30<twb>I don't actually care about this specific case, but it shows I don't understand apt fully
02:30<SamB_laptop>perhaps it's making a hash of things
02:30<twb>aptitude also chooses -sh
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02:31<twb>SamB_laptop: or it could be the order they appear in Packages?
02:31<SamB_laptop>or that
02:31<themill>Packages is sorted
02:31<themill>(and iirc that's why apt used to pick them based on alphabetical order)
02:34<twb>themill: so how is it picking them now?
02:35<twb>I wonder if we can detect such cases and pop a warning like "maybe this should have a default choice"
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02:40<scientes>how do i figure out which font has a specific code point?
02:40<scientes>that isn't installed
02:40<twb>scientes: code point as in unicode codepoint?
02:40<scientes>twb,
02:40<twb>You can do fc-list :lang=am to find amharic fonts
02:40<scientes>twb, yes, this doesn't seem to do it http://fonts.debian.net/
02:40<twb>Not sure about individual codepoints
02:41<scientes>I want these https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_script_in_Unicode#Word_ligatures
02:41<scientes>I already installed arabic-desktop
02:41<twb>scientes: arabic or persian? AIUI they overlap, like unihan
02:41<twb>I have some notes, one sec
02:41<twb>scientes: http://www.cyber.com.au/~twb/prince/fonts.css
02:42<twb>See like 176
02:42<twb>*line
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02:43<scientes>I'm amazed it wasn't in kacst, as that was designed by the Saudi government
02:43<scientes>and they would really care about those points
02:44<twb>scientes: it may be only some arabic countries use those ligatures?
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02:44<scientes>yeah i alraedy installed all those
02:44<scientes>No they are relevent to all Muslims
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02:45<scientes>granted, they arn't that useful, but they would be important to Saudi Arabia
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02:46<scientes>what is interesting is that while firefox doesn't render them gtk does, but not as litagures
02:47<scientes>firefox must be using an old version of Unicode
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02:48<scientes>guess i'll file a firefox bug
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02:52<twb>scientes: is KACST the best choice (cf. arabeyes &c) for arabic font?
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02:54<scientes>I don't know arabic-desktop installs them all
02:54<scientes>reported firefox bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1173668
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02:56<twb>Ah, and my @media=print browser isn't rendering arabic properly, even though I have arabeyes & kacst installed, because that fonts.css goes "arabic or pars? Too hard, I give up."
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03:01<scientes>Well RTL is difficult...
03:01<scientes>especially as the digits of numbers are always big-endian, even when part of a RTL text
03:02<scientes>....not sure how hexdigits work....
03:02<twb>If it helps, I just tested rendering of that page with http://sprunge.us/HGMG (based on my fc-list), and I saw these codepoints fail http://sprunge.us/SGaP --- I take that to mean they're not in *any* of those arabic fonts
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03:05<twb>scientes: "[Word ligatures] are rarely used out of professional liturgical typing."
03:06<scientes>meh, when those phrases exist in the text the ligature should be automatic
03:06<twb>like sansbullshitsans?
03:06<scientes>AFAIK that is they way people write it longhand
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03:07<pl7ofit>hello all, i get error in xorg log: "(EE) AIGLX error.../dri/lima_dri.so failed" in arch armhf on banana pi, how to solve it? thanx
03:07<scientes>twb, lol http://www.sansbullshitsans.com/ yeah
03:08<scientes>Leveraging the synergy of ligatures™
03:08<scientes>^^it even uses a litagure at the end!
03:09<twb>I'm still waiting for Unicode to properly specify non-breaking quarter-width space.
03:09<scientes>pl7ofit, does the banana pi even have a MALI chip?
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03:10<scientes>twb, check out http://unspell.it/
03:10<twb>Man, svg fonts weird me out.
03:10<scientes>twb, no, its a real font, it just doesn't have its own code points
03:11<pl7ofit>scientes, yes, i compile mali driver but this not work...
03:11<twb>They define a heap of named PATH tags, then use <DOM magic> to insert them
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03:11<twb>scientes: unspell reminds me of the orthography Edison designed for mute children in Martha's Vineyard
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03:12<twb>Which (obviously) is very similar to Hangeul.
03:14<scientes>Because it is just English, the goal is to auto convert between orthographys
03:15<scientes>which means that English students don't have to learn how to spell.
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03:16<themill>twb: don't know. You'd need to beat your way through the C++ templates that make the iterators in apt to figure that out. Not my idea of fun.
03:16<twb>themill: OK. I'll just assume it's a hash somewhere and try to think about something else
03:17<themill>hash, for instance
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03:22<twb>So FWIW, I can render today's featured article on ar.w.o using Cousine and only missing two codepoints, U+FD3F and U+FD3E
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03:22<twb>Lemme try using Cousine to render the mahomet article
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03:24<twb>(I'm assuming that's more likely to have a U+FDF4 in it ;-)
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03:33<shibu>HY
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03:34<shibu>I am from nepal i have a one pendrive which is not format how can i format this pendrive
03:35<twb>shibu: does it need to work in Windows?
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03:36<shibu>NUp it is not working in the windows
03:37<shibu>I tried various method
03:37<jm_>that was not the question
03:37<shibu>I tried to format a pendrive from the gparted but it is not worked
03:37<twb>shibu: it sounds like you want the drive to have a filesystem. There are many choices, like FAT and ext. For debian, ext is a good choice. Windows does not like ext.
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03:38<shibu>HOw can i format ?
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03:38<jm_>man mkfs
03:38<shibu>Yes i format my pendrive in fat32 and exfat but not worked
03:39<twb>shibu: please give details. How does it "not work" ?
03:39<shibu>While i inserted my pendrive then my antivirous shows there are 6 virus but the viruse is not deleted?
03:39<shibu>ok
03:40<shibu>Please help me
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03:41<shibu>This virus is not remove by anti virus program
03:42<jm_>we can't help you with that, formating it should get rid of it
03:42<twb>Sorry, I don't know what antivirus is
03:42<jm_>formatting*
03:42<shibu>Ok
03:42<shibu>But tell me how can i format my pendrive?
03:42<shibu>Is there any idea that i format my pendrive?
03:43<jm_>i already told you, man mkfs, pick the fs you want to use
03:43<twb>shibu: in a terminal, use the mkfs command on the correct drive or partition
03:43<twb>shibu: be careful - do not run mkfs on your hard disk!
03:44<shibu>Ok
03:45<shibu>is there any graphical program for done this
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03:46<jm_>probably
03:46<twb>shibu: I don't know how to use a GUI, sorry
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03:47<shibu>It's ok
03:47<shibu>But i am not expert in terminal so...
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03:54<twb>shibu: there are "linux user groups" -- if there is one near you, that is a good way to learn
03:55<shibu>Sorry, in my village there is nobody linux user so what should i do ?
03:55<twb>I don't know :-(
03:55<shibu>All person used windows...
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03:55<shibu>Is there any way
03:56<babilen>shibu: There is gparted -- http://gparted.org/ -- that you can use.
03:56<babilen>judd: v gparted
03:56<judd>Package: gparted on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.7.0-1; wheezy: 0.12.1-2+b1; jessie: 0.19.0-2; stretch: 0.19.0-3; sid: 0.19.0-3
03:56<twb>babilen: shibu mentioned gparted already, but I don't know gparted.
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03:57<shibu>Yep i used gparted for format but it is not worked
03:57<babilen>Ah, alright. That program should allow him/her to create partitions *and* filesystems as well.
03:57<babilen>shibu: Well, can you use the pendrive in linux?
03:57<twb>shibu: there was a Nepal LUG in 2008, but I cannot find their website
03:57<shibu>What is the lug
03:57<twb>shibu: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/linux-nepal/info
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03:59<debiannoob>Hello2all
03:59<twb>shibu: a LUG is a group of linux users in the same city, who help each other with linux
03:59<twb>shibu: often they meet at the town university each month
04:00<twb>shibu: is there a university near you? They might know
04:00<shibu>I don't understand what are you talking about what LUG?
04:01<debiannoob>Just having a strange thing on my debian 6. It systems reboots at regular 1 hour intervals. It had before windows on it, and it also reboots automatically. What could it be, how to find it out, any ideas? Thank you
04:01<twb>shibu: "LUG" is just a name. It means people who use Linux.
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04:02<twb>shibu: you say everyone in your village uses Windows. Maybe there is a city near you, that has Linux users?
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04:02<debiannoob>I dont have cron job set ...
04:03<shibu>Yep
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04:03<shibu>Pokhara
04:04<twb>shibu: OK so if there are some Linux users in Pokhara, you can ask them for help. Because they are in the same room, and they speak nepali, the help is much better.
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04:07<shibu>Ok...(Error formatting Disk) Error synchronizing after initial wipe: Timed out waiting for object (udisks-error-quark 0) says while i tried to format my pendirve
04:07<jm_>are you doing this from debian?
04:08<shibu>Yes
04:08<twb>shibu: parted says this?
04:08<shibu>I am doing this from ubuntu
04:08<shibu>Yes
04:08<twb>Maybe pendrive is broken. Can you try another pendrive?
04:08<shibu>Yes...
04:08<shibu>Another pendrive is working
04:09<shibu>But i think this is due to the virus...
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04:09<twb>A virus should not be able to break a pendrive that way
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04:10<shibu>I used windows too but i tried remove virus from the windows but the antivirous is not remove virus
04:10<jm_>if you have problems with gparted running on ubuntu then ask on ubuntu irc for help
04:10<jm_>!ubuntuirc
04:10<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
04:10<shibu>Is there any way to remove virus from LInux os
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04:11<twb>shibu: linux does not get viruses. So, linux is not good at removing viruses.
04:11<shibu>In windows shows a 6 virus.....
04:11<shibu>Oh i see...
04:11<shibu>SO what should i do for remove virus
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04:12<twb>I think you should throw away that pendrive and get a new one.
04:12<twb>Here, they are very cheap, so it is not worth fixing
04:12<twb>I hope they are cheap in nepal, also :-)
04:12<pi>hallo everyone
04:12<shibu>Helo
04:13<shibu>Yep they are cheap but i try to make
04:13<twb>shibu: it is hard to help over IRC - if there are linux users at pokhara university, you can ask them also
04:14<shibu>OK
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04:16<shibu>Is there someone in IRC from nepal...
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04:17<twb>I checked- irc://irc.freenode.net/#linux-nepal has no people :-(
04:18<shibu>Tq for you support...
04:18<shibu>Where are you from body?
04:18<twb>Australia
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04:18<twb>My grandma is from Burma
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04:19<shibu>And you?
04:19<shibu>YOu are also from burma
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04:19<twb>No, I was born in Australia.
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04:19<shibu>OH nice
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04:19<shibu>can i contact you over skype
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04:19<twb>No sorry, I only have IRC
04:19<shibu>I think you are nice person
04:20<shibu>Is there another way i can contact you?
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04:47<planetmaker>I'm puzzled by a message I get from my external HDD, that no space is left on the device. normal df -h shows that 42% of the space is occupied and df -i shows that 1% of the inodes are used.
04:47<planetmaker>Any clue as to what might occupy disk space and disallow me to create any new file on it?
04:48<shibu>How to install a android adb on ubuntu?
04:48<twb>Hey, if that shibu guy comes back, please point him at http://wiki.fossnepal.org/ which I found after he left
04:48<planetmaker>!ubuntu
04:48<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
04:48<twb>shibu: oh, you came back :)
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04:49<shibu>Yep i am come back
04:49<twb>shibu: there are linux nepal people here: http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.foss.nepal
04:49<shibu>HOw can i give you thanks?
04:50<shibu>You are great person...
04:50<twb>shibu: by helping someone else :-)
04:50<shibu>Great....
04:50<shibu>Thanks for everything
04:50<planetmaker>at the same time, it seems to be a file count limit. As removing a file allows me to create an arbitrarily new one
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04:52<harri>\quit
04:52<jm_>that's handled as ENOSPC yes
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04:52<jm_>or rather, reported
04:52<twb>planetmaker: try df -i
04:52<twb>oh, you know that already
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04:54<twb>planetmaker: could it be a user or group quota? Try "sudo repquota -psa"
04:55<twb>planetmaker: if it is btrfs, note that btrfs output for df is confusing
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05:04<planetmaker>twb, it's a disk from a collegue; it's some windowish FS mounted by fusectl
05:04<twb>planetmaker: what does /proc/mounts say its filesystem is?
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05:04<twb>ntfs-3g? or exfat?
05:04<planetmaker>from mtab: /dev/sdc1 /media/PFC\0402015 fuseblk rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,default_permissions,allow_other,blksize=4096 0 0
05:04<twb>Argh
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05:06<twb>What does "sudo blkid /dev/sdc1" say it is?
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05:07<planetmaker>/dev/sdc1: LABEL="PFC 2015" UUID="843671A53671993E" TYPE="ntfs"
05:08<twb>OK.
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05:08<twb>So it's (almost certainly) using the ntfs-3g driver. I can't help beyond that.
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05:21<lp>there used to be "official" debian images for xen, provided by a debian developer. is this still the case for jessie?
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05:22<twb>lp: I don't do xen, but AIUI the regular debian kernels can be xen domu or dom0, so maybe it's not needed?
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05:23<twb>https://wiki.debian.org/Xen mentions xen-create-image tool
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05:23<object>hi
05:24<object>hi guys
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05:25<lp>twb: xen should still work. i just asked a VPS provider using Xen about support for jessie, and they said they are waiting for the official images - i was wondering if this will ever happen…
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05:25<twb>No idea, sorry.
05:25<lp>twb: thanks
05:26<twb>http://wiki.xen.org/wiki/Debian_Guest_Installation_Using_Debian_Installer links to http://cdn.debian.net/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/xen/
05:27<twb>There appears to be corresponding ones for jessie -- but that's the installer, not running image
05:28<twb>I can't see the word "official" anywhere on either debian's xen wiki article, or xen's debian wiki article.
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05:31<joelkraehemann>Hi, I'm reading debian packaging howtos
05:32<twb>joelkraehemann: #debian-mentors is the best place for making debian packages
05:32<joelkraehemann>twb, thank you
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05:41<lp>twb: thanks again! i just looked around, other xen providers are in the same situation, no debian 8 support (except for amazon)… kvm seems to have won
05:44<Hydroxide>lp: yeah the main tool that lots of providers use to build debian images currently has support for azure, ec2, gce, regular kvm, and virtualbox, but nobody has contributed support for vanilla xen. I imagine it would be quite a modest patch and probably readily accepted
05:44<Hydroxide>lp: https://github.com/andsens/bootstrap-vz/tree/master/manifests
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05:48<lp>Hydroxide: wow! had no idea this existed, thanks a lot!
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05:52<Hydroxide>lp: np, thank you if you add xen support :) lots of debian cloud team people idle in #debian-cloud, although the email list debian-cloud@lists.debian.org is currently far more active.
05:53<twb>dpkg bot also mentioned -xen chan
05:53<dpkg>twb: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
05:53<Hydroxide>twb: didn't know about that one.
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05:54<Hydroxide>twb: seems to have fewer people and is likely more focused on the packaging of xen itself, not guest OSes
05:54<twb>I hope those images get built with automatic security updates
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05:54*twb points at that "30% of docker images have serious vulns" post on lwn the other day
05:55<Hydroxide>twb: I believe the EC2 images are rebuilt once per Debian point release as well as once for especially major vulnerabilities like Heartbleed. the GCE images are built more often. Google proposed to Debian about turning on automatic updates but the community didn't want that behavior to differ within a stable release across environments.
05:56<twb>Nod.
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05:57<Hydroxide>twb: Google does ship most of its other GCE images with automatic updates on, though not all, even where they don't in other clouds. community & vendor attitudes vary.
05:57*Hydroxide was working for that Google team at the time, as well as being a Debian developer. It was interesting to see both sides. :)
05:57<twb>And also I get the impression those containers get spun up on demand, so having them go "and now I'll upgrade myself" in a tmpfs COW won't do much good
05:57<Hydroxide>twb: yes.
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05:58<twb>I run prison kiosks and I have the same issue there, and my crap workaround is "rebuild the images every month, and earlier if there's a critical issue"
05:58<twb>Though there's just debian, and then me -- no extra hops between.
05:58<Hydroxide>GCE's Debian images effectively do that, yeah, though not all the reasons are for security purposes. Also things like bug fixes for the Google-specific integrations.
05:58<lp>Hydroxide: is google also using xen like amazon, or rather kvm (included in vanilla kernels)? only if you may tell
05:59<Hydroxide>lp: it's based on kvm. nothing secret about that. I expect both amazon and google have made modifications
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06:00<twb>lp: if it's behind something like libvirt, the virtualization technology is mostly transparent anyway.
06:00<lp>Hydroxide: once linus rejected the xen patches, and redhat decided to only support kvm, i guess the writing was on the wall for xen…
06:00<Hydroxide>twb: not so much from the guest side with things like /dev/xvda1 :)
06:01*Hydroxide suggests we move to #debian-offtopic or #debian-cloud since this is no longer a user support conversation
06:01<twb>lp: well, also by then everybody had sparc-style VT in their crappy x86 systems
06:01<twb>Oops, sorry.
06:01<lp>sorry too
06:01*Hydroxide happy to discuss there. (For a little longer - it's 3am here.)
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08:18<peter1138>Alrighty, what's a nice lightweight non-DE window manager? Just needed to run xterm and a javaws app.
08:21<jm_>openbox icewm or stuff like i3-wm larswm awesome
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08:24<mestia>Does any other hardware than old apple computers uses powerpc ?
08:26<FlowRiser>peter1138, i3-wm is very good
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08:27<mestia>s/hardware/hardware vendor/
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08:30<blast007>mestia: there have been various other PowerPC boards
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08:37<peter1138>"You have an error in your i3 config file!" Good start :S
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08:42<jmlongo>better that than "file not found!" ;)
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08:56<De>someone here?
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08:57<jmlongo>I am :)
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09:54<reep>hi guys anyone know how i get extra software for debian 8
09:55<jmlongo>what do you mean?
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09:55<reep>is there like a software area
09:56<jmlongo>Like a software center to download and install software?
09:56<reep>yea
09:57<jmlongo>well ... yes ... there is :)
09:57<reep>how do i find it
09:58<blast007>reep: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_basic_package_management_operations
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10:00<jmlongo>I often use "aptitude" on the command line
10:01<jmlongo>But you may use synaptic if you want graphical interface
10:01<reep>ive just installed this today and its confusing me so far i want to install java and stuff so i can play minecraft
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10:02*RadoQ grins.
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10:43<tom__>hi
10:43<jmlongo>hey
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10:44<maazu>Hello
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10:51<maazu>Uptime: 2 hours and 7 minutes
10:51<jmlongo>new install?
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10:51<maazu>no, i'm testing script 'uptime'
10:52<jmlongo>oh.. I see
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11:13<joelkraehemann>got it Applications/Sound
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11:13<joelkraehemann>https://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/menu-policy/ch2.htm
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11:16<maazu>bye all
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11:36<dsch>i am trying to install myspell-en-us via aptitude and i get a conflict with hunspell-en-us... removing hunspell will result in unresolved dependencies task-gnome-desktop... what should i do?
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11:39<wanne_>dsch: Use hunspell?
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12:25<hagom_89>hello guys, does anyone know how to use the GPU as a coprocessor? I alredy found the kgpu project but doesn't work for me
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12:32<Maulkin>hagom_89: There's also snap, but bear in mind these are all quite theoretical frameworks, system level GPU is still a bit academic
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12:52<hagom_89>Maulkin: it is for research purposes
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13:23<Yacc>hello all
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13:27<rfreeman-w>yey
13:28<rfreeman-w>my laptop just exploded with bullshit \o/
13:28<jcrowgey>Hi guys, I'm trying to build debian glibc with support for the --kernel-version parameter. To do so, I run ./configure with --kernel-version=MIN_KERNEL_VERSION (in my case 2.6.32). However, I find that "./configure && make" results in a failed build.
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13:28<rfreeman-w>I guess it was expected outcome of using system with systemd on board, to get 300 log messages per second, 18000 lines of dmesg logs per minute, of same repeating kernel warning about missing firmware for wlan card
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13:29<rfreeman-w>why did we switched to systemd again?
13:29<jcrowgey>On the other hand, I found that apt-get -b glibc results in a working build, so now I need to edit debian/rules to simulate the effect of having configured with --kernel-version=2.6.32.
13:30<jcrowgey>Now, I looked through debian/rules for glibc but I can't seem to figure out where to put any reference to --kernel-version. So, I started looking through the configure script which came with the source package to try to see what configure would have done with that option.
13:31<jcrowgey>Not finding much yet. In the end, I may be able to reverse engineer this configure process in order to figure out what to put in debian/rules to have it compile with the with support for older kernels, but if anyone has any tips, I'm all ears (and I can spill more detail on you about what I have and haven't tried).
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13:33<jcrowgey>the main thing I've found so far is that ./configure seems to check the parameters passed into it for validity then copes them into ./configure.status in the variable "ac_cs_config"
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13:34<blast007>rfreeman-w: why wouldn't the fault be in the driver that is spamming that information?
13:34<jcrowgey>grepping through my source directory to see what else configure might have done with the string 2.6.32, I found that it seems to have written it into a config.h file as well as a #define __ABI_TAG_VERSION 2,6,32
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13:37<jcrowgey>to summarize my problem, I know that debian/rules is a working Makefile and I need to edit it to take a particular config option. but i only know about that option in the autoconf/configure paradigm so I'm not sure how to incorporate that autoconf parameter into debian rules.
13:38<rfreeman-w>blast007, that too, but normally the init/logger system never was doing such crap. I bet systemd is either restarting the bad thing too fast and/or does not have obviously proper flood protection for logs
13:38<rfreeman-w>jcarlos, sorry no idea. but maybe #debian-mentors and -kernel could be a help
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13:40<jcrowgey>rfreeman-w: I can see who's around in that room. thanks for the tip!
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13:40<rfreeman-w>but hey who needs good debian, when we can instead do what Outreach Program for Woman wanted
13:41<Maulkin>rfreeman-w: Are you after support, or just ranting?
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14:23<smokejohn># update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree --status
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14:23<smokejohn>ERROR: wget failed to download http://people.debian.org/~bartm/pepperflashplugin-nonfree/latest-stable-verified.txt
14:23<smokejohn>More information might be available at:
14:23<smokejohn> http://wiki.debian.org/PepperFlashPlayer
14:23<smokejohn>any idea on this?
14:24<smokejohn>there seems to be an older bug marked as wishlist
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14:24<smokejohn>cause the dev could not reproduce
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14:26<blast007>smokejohn: can you wget that URL manually with success?
14:28<smokejohn>ERROR: The certificate of ‘people.debian.org’ is not trusted.
14:28<smokejohn>that's what I got from wget
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14:39<blast007>smokejohn: do you have the ca-certificates package installed?
14:39<smokejohn>yeap!
14:39<smokejohn>double checked it
14:40<blast007>which version of Debian are you running?
14:40<smokejohn>sid
14:41<smokejohn>should i head to #debian-next for this?
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14:49<jcrowgey>well i've asked my question in #debian-mentors, and they referred me to #debian-toolchain where no one was around. so i'm back here. there must be some generic info about how to pass configure options to apt-get -b source
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14:51<blast007>smokejohn: that wget worked for me on a clean Jessie (live image) and my existing Wheezy system, so yeah, might be a testing/unstable specific issue
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14:52<jcrowgey>oh, i think this may be something someone here might know, in the man page for apt-get I see Item: APT::Get::Compile is that X::Y::Z syntax an argument for apt-get, or a reference to further documentation?
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16:31<kike>Hi all
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16:31<kike>It's working!!
16:31<kike>:)
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16:34<kike>I need some help. I'm a little stucked trying to unzip some (a lot of, actually) zip files, each one to one separate folder named just like the zip file. ¿any ideas? I'm trying things like unzip '*.zip' -d './descomp/'* but it just decompress all zip files into a new forlder named "*" :(
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16:42<beagleburt_>G'day from New Zealand everyone! I have spent over a week trying to install Debian 8 Jessie on my backup computer - a Dell Dimension 2400 - but I had continual problems, & it just would not boot: Power on > Grub menu > then blank screen + no mouse + no kbd....
16:43-!-pamaury [~quassel@2a01:e35:243f:8460:80b2:5240:26bd:6fe9] has joined #debian
16:43<beagleburt_>...finally re-installed Debian 7.8 Wheezy & all ok...
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16:57<kike>no ideas?
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16:57<kike>I need some help. I'm a little stucked trying to unzip some (a lot of, actually) zip files, each one to one separate folder named just like the zip file. ¿any ideas? I'm trying things like unzip '*.zip' -d './descomp/'* but it just decompress all zip files into a new forlder named "*" :(
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17:03<jhutchins>kike: The zip files don't have a directory in them?
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17:05<jhutchins>kike: find . -name "*z8p" -exec unzip {} -d {} \; <- that will get you directories like foo.zip/ but it's close to what you want. There are tricks to trimming the extension off that I don't know.
17:06<jhutchins>s/z8p/zip
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17:11<kike_>jhutchins, no, sadly files are at the root in the zip file. no folders.
17:11<kike>jhutchins, no, sadly files are at the root in the zip file. no folders.
17:12<kike_>thanks jhutchins i'm gonna try this
17:12<jhutchins>kike: This suggests a possible method: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/61656/omitting-extension-with-find
17:14<jhutchins>kike: It's a pretty strong convention within *nix that an archive should be made of a whole directory so that it extracts to a container instead of the current folder. I just made a mess of my ebook collection with some files that didn't do that.
17:14<kike_>this says "can't not create extraction directory. File Exists
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17:14<jhutchins>kike_: Ah, of course, because foo.zip exists.
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17:15<jhutchins>so you can use {}.dir tp give you foo.zip.dir/ or find a method of trimming .zip
17:15<kike_>all into any subfolder somehow? ...
17:15<kike_>exactly
17:15<kike_>i'll check this link. :)
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17:17<kike_>jhutchins, thank you so much
17:18-!-mode/#debian [+l 732] by debhelper
17:18<jhutchins>!next
17:18<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
17:19<kike_>i've reached a solution based on your command
17:19<kike_>find . -name "*zip" -exec unzip {} -d '{}.unzipped' \;
17:19<kike_>adds .unzipped to the filename based created folder. that's enough :)
17:19<kike_>dpkg, lol
17:19<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
17:19<retrospectacus>find . -type f -iname "*.zip" | while read f ; do mkdir "${f%.*}" && unzip "$f" -d "${f%.*}" ;done
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17:20<kike_>i think i have to learn to use the -exec and pipes... ASAP.
17:21<kike_>dpkg, maybe that's beacause lol is not meant to sound like nothing. it's ment to be a acronym...
17:21<dpkg>okay, kike_
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17:22<kike_>retrospectacus, i'm trying this too thank you. looks more complex!
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17:23<retrospectacus>dpkg: forget maybe that's beacause lol
17:23<dpkg>retrospectacus: i forgot maybe that's beacause lol
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17:24<retrospectacus>dpkg bot
17:24<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
17:24<Yurple>Hello, how would i go about downloading/installing a Wheezy package from a Jessie install. Need to get an older verison of make.
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17:24<retrospectacus>Yurple: you could get it from packages.debian.org
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17:26<kike_>retrospectacus, amazing command. thank you. now i'm trying to understand how it works
17:26<retrospectacus>kike_: d'you know about pipes?
17:27<kike_>retrospectacus, i'm afraid not yet :(
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17:28<retrospectacus>the | is a pipe. It sends the output of the left side (find) to the input of the right side (while read)
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17:28<retrospectacus>find outputs lines, each one is a filename (something.zip)
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17:29<retrospectacus>"while read f ;do ... done" runs ... on each file, with the file assigned to variable $f
17:30<retrospectacus>"${f%.*}" is a "parameter expansion" (google it) that strips the filename extension
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17:31<retrospectacus>so if f is "something.zip", then ... is: mkdir something && unzip something.zip -d something
17:31<retrospectacus>&& means run the command on the right only if the command on the left succeeded.
17:31<kike_>f% is a predefined variable or you just choose f% cause of its easy to remember it's for files ¿?
17:31<retrospectacus>the latter
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17:32<retrospectacus>"while read f " -> unzip "$f" ... just called it f for convenience, it means file in my head
17:33<retrospectacus>unrelated to "find . -type f" ...the f there also happens to mean file
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17:33<kike_>ok.. doesn't look too much complicated, but it's gonna take a good amount of practice until I memorize this...
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17:34<kike_>retrospectacus, be awared that i saved your explanation on a text file :)
17:35<kike_>thank you so much again.
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17:35<retrospectacus>p.s. you said "f%" - the % is a special thing relating to the parameter expansion. f% is not something itself
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17:36<retrospectacus>the variable is f - ( $f is "dereferencing" it)
17:37<kike_>ok. i'm not native english (as you may have noticed by now) and I don't get to understand "parameter expansion"
17:38<retrospectacus>%.* is some esoteric jibberish that means "trim the right side after this character, non greedily" or so
17:39<kike_>oooh ok.
17:39<retrospectacus>yeah they are extremely hard to remember, just google it each time you want to use it or print/bookmark a cheat sheet or something
17:40<kike_>% in my head just means variable
17:40<retrospectacus>in bash it is not.
17:41<jhutchins>In MySQL it's a global like *
17:41<kike_>now i understand where did the extension .zip go. hahahaha
17:43<kike_>By the way, it's amazing Debian 8. no one single problem fresh installing it in my netbook Atom x64 dual core. flawless. fast...
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17:45<retrospectacus>oh, we know :)
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17:52<ibed>hello there
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17:57<davi>hi
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18:03<kike_>retrospectacus, looks funny while is proccessing files, does not look to be following any order, i thought it would go throught an alphabethical order...
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19:32<devrikx>jcrowgey, if you happen to come back; you would download with apt-get source <packagename> and then you would manually enter the debian/ directory and modify the rules file. Depending on the debhelper version the variable you would/add modify to pass extra flags to configure would differ slightly
19:33<devrikx>in most cases, and modern autotools packages... there would likely be a dh_auto* override for configure, where you could manually set the variable with ease.
19:33<devrikx>hth
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19:53<sleser>having a problem on jessie
19:53<sleser>canot erase a directory
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19:54<sleser>says directory not empty
19:54<sleser>its empty nothing in there
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19:55<alvanson>sleser: ls -a show anything?
19:55<sleser>hiden fuse file
19:55<sleser>wiped the fuse file
19:56<sleser>now id like to wipe the directory
19:56<sleser>hm wiped it left the directory came back fuse file came again . .fuse_hidden000000890000000a
19:57<sleser>icon shows like an ark pakage icon
19:57<alvanson>at a terminal do 'lsof ./.fushe_hidden000*' and see what program is keeping that open
19:57<alvanson>s/fushe/fuse/
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19:58<sleser>http://paste.debian.net/220744/
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20:01<sleser>http://paste.debian.net/220745/
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20:02<alvanson>which directory are you trying to delete?
20:02<sleser>h
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20:02<alvanson>the 'h' that you're currently in?
20:02<sleser>im out of it
20:02<sleser>im b4 it
20:03<alvanson>so it's ..../TransDown/h/h/h you're trying to delete?
20:03<sleser>im in media/76FE3C437ADB6C66/TransDown and the h is here
20:03<alvanson>where is the .fuse_hidden file?
20:03<sleser>fuse file is in h/h/ here
20:04<sleser>fuse file is like 47 mb
20:04<alvanson>ok, run ' lsof /media/76FE3C437ADB6C66/TransDown/h/h/.fuse_hidden000000890000000a '
20:05<sleser>http://paste.debian.net/220746/
20:06<sleser>sorry here this one http://paste.debian.net/220747/
20:06<sleser>like i said after keep wiping the .fuse file it changes file but comes
20:06<alvanson>Do you need to be running 'unrar' for anything?
20:06<sleser>nope
20:07<sleser>i wasnt using unrar i was using ark
20:07<alvanson>do you need ark for anything?
20:07<sleser>nope
20:07<sleser>fixed
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20:08<alvanson>got the dir deleted?
20:08<sleser>not sure why ark closed in the kde but was still runing in the system activity
20:08<sleser>yeh
20:08<sleser>its gone
20:08<alvanson>ark / unrar still had a file open that used to be in that 'h/h' dir
20:08<sleser>got it fixed
20:09<sleser>thanks for t he tips man
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20:11<alvanson>np
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21:05<k-man>where can i read up on what i need to do to upgrade from wheezy to jessie, particularly with respect to apache 2.2 -> apache 2.4 and vhosts?
21:08<alvanson>k-man: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#apache-httpd-incomat for some info on apache
21:08<k-man>thanks alvanson
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