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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-06-12

---Logopened Fri Jun 12 00:00:00 2015
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02:35<sleser>anyone using freebsd by any chanse ?
02:35<sleser>is there skype for freebsd ?
02:37<jm_>try ##freebsd on irc.freenode.net, it's off topic for this channel
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02:37<sleser>thanks
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02:45<ryouma>jm_: so if you say freebsd you never mean debian/kfreebsd or whatever it is called, typically?
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02:46<jm_>ryouma: i'm pretty sure they would say kfreebsd if that's the case
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04:54<PaulePanter>Hi. How can I see the diff between two revisions?
04:54<PaulePanter>http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/kernel/dists/jessie/linux/?view=log
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04:54<PaulePanter>I want to see the whole diff between revision 22736 and 22737.
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06:00<aletheia>moin folks
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06:01<aletheia>how would i mount (org.freedesktop.udisks2.filesystem-mount) an often used device without entering my root passphrase?
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06:02<ansgar>aletheia: If you are logged in locally, mounting USB media and the like should not require a password by default.
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06:04<aletheia>thx ansgar. well, but i do have to. i checked already the man for udisksctl but did not get much wiser..
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06:05<ansgar>aletheia: If you are not loegged in locally, you have to change policykit rules.
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06:06<ansgar>I don't know how that works in detail.
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06:10<aletheia>well i am logged in locally.. i recently upgraded to jessie
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06:18<aletheia>the workaround i found now is to "sudo udisksctl mount --block-device /dev/sdb", but it's not that comfortable, ansgar
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06:22<ansgar>aletheia: Did you reboot after the upgrade? Is libpam-systemd installed and does "loginctl" report the session? Do you run "udisksctl" from within the session (i.e. not via cron or such)?
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06:38<aletheia>ansgar, of course i rebooted. i have there some strange queue.. "Job dev-disk-by\x2duuid-#.device/start timed out." and everytime i get an emergency prompt. i installed now the "libpam-systemd" (what does it?). "loginctl" show 1 session and i have no cron set..
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06:40<ansgar>aletheia: That error I guess is this: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#systemd-auto-mounts-incompat systemd treats failing mouts as an error unless there is a "nofail" option, sysvinit just ignored errors.
06:41<ansgar>aletheia: libpam-systemd is a PAM module that interacts with logind: it tells the system which users are logged in and if they are local or remote users. This is used to grant certain permissions by policykit. (In Wheezy, consolekit fulfilled the role of logind.)
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06:57<beagleburt> HexChat: 2.10.1 ** OS: Linux 3.16.0-4-586 i686 ** Distro: Debian 8.1 ** CPU: 1 x Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 2.79GHz ** RAM: Physical: 2.0GiB, 90.5% free ** Disk: Total: 271.8GiB, 84.8% free ** VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV100 [Radeon 7000 / Radeon VE] ** Sound: ICH4 - Intel ICH5 ** Ethernet: Intel Corporation 82562EZ 10/100 Ethernet Controller ** Uptime: 16m 39s **
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06:59<beagleburt>G'day from New Zealand everyone! Had a brief power outage 14x odd hours ago & I am having problems with my "PLACES" menu (Mate Desktop Enviromnt)
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07:01<ansgar>aletheia: Ah, and is policykit-1 installed as well? I noticed udisks2 only recommends it and would expect only root can run udisks commands if it is not present.
07:02<beagleburt>When I click on a folder in the Places menu > Brasero starts up wanting to burn the folder I clicked on? It is very buggy - the Brasero file-to-be-burnt jumps up and down rapidly & eventually settles?
07:04<beagleburt>What is the name of the File system client for Mate?
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07:17<beagleburt>Caja is the official file manager for the MATE desktop.
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08:19<igorek>здарова
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08:25<aletheia>ansgar, thank you very much. yes policykit-1 is installed. i will change my fstab therefore and go through the very useful information on the issues with the link you gave me there. further i will propagate Debian and give advice to those who need as far i can in exchange..
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10:24<ebel>hello, new install of debian and my /tmp directory will get full after opening a few youtube videos and the entire OS will slow to a crawl on a modern PC.. any ideas?
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10:28<Brigo>ebel, is tmp a different partition?
10:28<ebel>yes it is
10:29<ebel>about 400 MB in size
10:29<Brigo>ebel, then it is too small.
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10:30<ebel>But why would the default install suggest a size which is obviously too small for a very common thing, watching youtube videos
10:30<valdyn>ebel: the default is not to create a seperate tmp at all
10:30<Brigo>ebel, i don't know, i don't even now why the install would suggest a different partition at all.
10:31<ebel>I used the 3rd option.. I'm following the hardening debian guide which suggests to put everything on a separate partition
10:32<ebel>I found no ressources online about suggesting a size of the tmp partition
10:32<valdyn>the problem with guides is that they dont usually work well when you dont understand what you are doing
10:32<Brigo>ebel, just comment the tmp line in /etc/fstab.
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10:33<valdyn>tmp should be big enough - whatever big enough is depends on your usage
10:33<valdyn>this is *hard* to get right, so hard that its probably better not to have a dedicated /tmp
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10:34<ebel>One of the points that the debian guide mentions is that by putting these dirs on the same parition you run the risk of an overflow causing the system to stop working
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10:35<ebel>going with a more extreme scenario
10:35<valdyn>ebel: disk full is always bad of course
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10:38<ebel>Would it be bad practice to reinstall with 10GB /tmp partition
10:38<valdyn>ebel: no
10:39<valdyn>ebel: we cant know how large your tmp needs to be, maybe thats 100MB, maybe thats 100TB
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10:40<Brigo>ebel, it is a very important workstation?
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10:40<ebel>I've been interesting in linux security and I'm trying to make this my daily box while learning more about securing it
10:40<ebel>So important, yes
10:42<Brigo>ebel, then yoy may guess yourself the tmp size.
10:42<ebel>Any cons of it being too big?
10:42<ebel>Besides the obvious
10:43<Brigo>no, just waste of space.
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10:44<ebel>Is Debian your daily box?
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10:46<Brigo>yes
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10:48<ebel>What's your biggest complaint
10:49<igorek>помогите советом))))установил пакет minidlna все завелось ток одна проблема,на телевизоре папки отображаюца закорючками))проблема шрифтов?
10:49<ansgar>!ru
10:49<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
10:50<Brigo>whearther forecast applet for mate '
10:50<Brigo>i think
10:50<igorek>))
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10:54<ebel>Okay when I investigate this issue it's really strange.. if you do as root "baobab /tmp" you will see 19K in use
10:54<ebel>by tmp
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10:59<ebel>Tried to investigate my disk space using du -h but this is what I get
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10:59<ebel>http://pastebin.com/x8prDrPz
10:59<ebel>17K in my /tmp .... SO strange!!!@
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11:01<ebel>Where is the other 377 MB of disk space used?
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11:03<maxy>ebel: deleted files still use disk space but wont appear in a du
11:03<maxy>Sorry, opened deleted files
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11:04<maxy>or files that are still open but were deleted, this is a common practice for temp files.
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11:05<ebel>ahh
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11:05<maxy>Also, a journaling file system eats a part of the assigned space to manage the journal meta data
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11:06<ebel>Do you suggest I change the filesystem of tmp partition
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11:06<ebel>Isn't the benifit of a journal filesystem to restore data in the event of an unexpected system failure
11:06<maxy>not data, meta data
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11:08<ebel>Okay, so now we see evidence that my partition is too small
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11:09<ebel>Was wondering where all that "used" space was.. thx
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11:10<maxy>Some distros use a tmpfs in /tmp (fs in ram), and depends in your use case if you need a bigger /tmp
11:10<valdyn>where "some distros" is also debian
11:11<maxy>Not by default
11:11<valdyn>i cant see where i set it up, but its a tmpfs
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11:12<maxy>/etc/defaults/rcS probably
11:12<valdyn>maxy: thats not it
11:13<maxy>/etc/default/tmpfs
11:13<valdyn>#RAMTMP=no
11:13<valdyn>so thats not it either
11:14<maxy>It used to be in /etc/default/rcS
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11:14<themill>`systemctl enable tmp.mount`
11:15<valdyn>ah
11:16<valdyn>that's it
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11:42<zathras>I noticed spidermonkey-bin is no longer part of Debian. Is there an alternative js binary for shell usage in another package availabe?
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11:42<zathras>(I need it as it is a dependency for jsawk to parse json from bash)
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11:45<ansgar>zathras: GNOME uses libmozjs*-dev, but it doesn't get security updates and is not suitable for untrusted input.
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11:45<ansgar>zathras: And a full JS engine sounds like overkill just to parse JSON.
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11:47<zathras>parsing json in perl,python,php etc is easy. In bash not so much. jsawk looks quite nice but requires an /usr/bin/js
11:48<zathras>the json output comes from a commandline tool which checks a confog file so security wise there is not a problem there
11:49<zathras>ansgar, unfortunately libmoz*-dev does also not provide a /bin/js
11:49<zathras>but now I do have a json_xs and json_pp in a bin directory
11:50<ansgar>zathras: Ah, maybe libmozjs-24-bin then?
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11:51<zathras>nope
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11:52<zathras> libmozjs-24-0 24.2.0-2 amd64 Spidermonkey JavaScript engine <--- one would expect to find a /bin/js there....
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11:54<ansgar>zathras: libmozjs-24-bin: /usr/bin/js24
11:55<zathras>ansgar, yes. ty. Weird as that slipped by me when I looked.
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15:02<nathan2>hello i've recently updated from wheezy to jessie but on machine restart i'had no more network connectivity. the problems seems because the networkmanager service is terminated by sig abrt caused by assertion in nm_ap_utils_level_to_quality function
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15:03<nathan2>do somebody experienced the same issue? i've found nothing related on the bug tracker page for network-manager package
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15:23<blast007>nathan2: I did see a bug report for Fedora 17 and Ubuntu 11.10 and 9.10, but they didn't really have anything on them other than the Fedora one saying that version 17 was now EOL and the Ubuntu one saying that it didn't happen in 12.04 (so a similar EOL / upgrade to a newer version thing)
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15:28<nathan2>blast007: yea i've noticed it too..it is really strange..
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15:41<nathan2>do you know how could I troubleshoot it or get support?
15:42<charlie>How to set up Compiz Fusion on Debian 8 (Jessie)?
15:43<mtn>charlie: you should explain what problem you are having. that will help a lot.
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15:43<Kromaz>are the debian forums down?
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15:45<aletheia>hello folks, after upgrading while booting it goes throughout my partitions and tells me that a start job is running on dev.. and then i get emergency prompt. i already changed fstab to "nofail"
15:45<petn-randall>nathan2: You can temporarily set up your network in /etc/network/interfaces. I'd then double-check if the upgrade is complete. I'm guessing that you missed a package (or have a 3rd party version installed), that clashes with the current network-manager installation.
15:46*Ryccardo Irony: compiling a kernel from stable, new version comes out 3 days later
15:47<charlie>tn: There is no any package on Debian Blu-Ray (3BD) disks about Compiz. (and nowhere on the net, on compiz.org neither)
15:47<charlie>It's impossible to install Compiz Fusion (+Emerald).
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15:48<mtn>charlie: if there are no debian packages of compiz or debian, you would have to compile it yourself. or just use kde, which has the same functionality
15:48<Ryccardo>aletheia: and all those partitions are available? I remember similiar problems (probably on Arch) when I configured my backup drive in fstab, maybe adding "noauto" helped but I don't remember that part
15:48<mtn>or/for
15:48<charlie>I have read somewhere that Compiz development is interrupted, and no longer available!
15:49<Ryccardo>charlie: yup, but people also reported it still worked fine manually installing old packages on xubuntu or something
15:50<aletheia>where can i see the log of the boot..(i neither find the messages with "dmesg" nor "journalctl -xb")? thx.
15:51<charlie>tn: I tried to compiled myself, but in the end Debian wasn't start... :-) (because of the lot of dependencies of packages)
15:51<mtn>charlie: if you really want those features, just use kde
15:52<aletheia>Ryccardo, thank you. Should i also set those options to "/home", "/" and "swap"?
15:52<Ryccardo>aletheia: it worked?
15:52<aletheia>no, i will try..
15:53<Ryccardo>ah... well, you shouldn't set them for the partitions you mentioned as you probably want them to automount!
15:54<charlie>tn: thanks for the tip... ...I used Fedora 21 (with MATE) before it and that was working perfectly... ...and I think Debian 8 with MATE will do the same, but I was wrong.
15:54<aletheia>well, then all other partitions are set to "rw, user, noauto"
15:54<nathan2>petn-randall: how do you suggest to check if the update is complete?
15:57<blast007>nathan2: probably the 'apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade' routine again to see if it says there's anything else left to do
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16:02<nathan2>blast007: apt dist-upgrade reports that db5.1-util has been kept back
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16:03<aletheia>Ryccardo, do you know where i could see the logs at booting..
16:03<aletheia>?
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16:03<aletheia>where i can find them, i meant to say..
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16:04<Ryccardo>nope, sorry (well, `systemctl` alone shows which initscripts failed, but I don't think the actual output you see before the login prompt is kept)
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16:04<aletheia>okay, thank you very much
16:05<aletheia>it says: "Failed to get D-Bus connection: Unknown error -1"
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16:07<Ryccardo>that shouldn't be related to filesystems, I seriously hope (but with the trend of porting everything to policykit/consolekit/systemd/pulseaudio/whatever I can't be too sure!)
16:08<charlie>Ryccardo: It's ok that Compiz working some of Linux distributions (Linux Mint, Ubuntu, Fedora, etc.), but why it doesn't work with Debian 8? (tn said it is only working in KDE {partly, I think})
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16:10<Ryccardo>I think he meant kwin has a truckload of options, many of them comparable to compiz's
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16:13<Ryccardo>as for your direct question, I have no idea... in fact you'd expect it to work better with older software, right?
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16:15<petn-randall>nathan2: If packages are kept back, then upgrade is not complete. Can you show us the info dpkg will ask you for?
16:15<petn-randall>!tell nathan2 about bat
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16:18<charlie>Ryccardo: Compiz was working Ubuntu 12.04 (with Unity, too), Fedora 21 (only MATE that is a copy of GNOME2)... So thank you tried to help me... :-)
16:18<gryps>i have run systemctl disable getty@tty6.service ... however, the service still gets started after the next reboot?
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16:19<gryps>is there another approach to disable services?
16:20<petn-randall>gryps: Normally not. What does 'systemctl is-enabled getty@tty6.service' give you after reboot?
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16:21<petn-randall>gryps: Note that services in systemd can still be triggered by their socket. I'm assuming that it gets started when you press alt+F6. You can fully disable it with 'systemctl mask getty@tty6.service'.
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16:23<nathan2>petn-randall: my connect with irc is on my mobile because i cannot connect with the pc..so i cannot copy / paste but the output of apt-cache policy db5.1-util says 51.1.25-5 installed and 51.1.25-9 is available from jessie repository
16:23<petn-randall>,v db5.1-util
16:23<judd>Package: db5.1-util on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.1.29-5; stretch: 5.1.29-9; jessie: 5.1.29-9; sid: 5.1.29-9
16:24<jhutchins>gryps: I notice I only have one tty process running.
16:24<petn-randall>nathan2: What happens if you run 'apt-get install db5.1-util'? It should output why it can't upgrade.
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16:25<Ryccardo>it's in stable too (5.1.29-9)
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16:26<jhutchins>nathan2: I would suggest that you boot to live media, do a full chroot with bind mounts, and do aptitude -f install
16:26<jhutchins>nathan2: For the details of how to set up the chroot /msg dpkg fixgrub
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16:27<nathan2>petn-randall: apt-get install db5.1-util says that libdb5.1 and python2.6 will be removed and libdb5.1-util will be installed
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16:27<petn-randall>nathan2: If it allows that, do it :)
16:27<Ryccardo>do it, if you don't need that python version anymore
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16:28<nathan2>petn-randall: I cannot..no network
16:29<Ryccardo>do you even need that package? almost nothing depends on it in jessie
16:29<petn-randall>nathan2: Oh right. Then do the approach that jhutchins suggested.
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16:30*Ryccardo dpkg-deb: building package `linux-image-3.16.7-ckt11' [...] real 37m4.133s :~
16:30<nathan2>petn-randall: could i setup network interfaces without netwotkmanager?
16:31<Ryccardo>sure, but then you should uninstall or at least disable networkmanager so it doesn't get in the way
16:31<petn-randall>nathan2: You can do that in the live system (using network-manager), then chroot into the system.
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16:33<nathan2>petn-randall: if i could do it without chrooting i would prefer since im not very familiar with chroot
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16:34<petn-randall>nathan2: Do you have Ethernet connected, or is it wifi?
16:34<jhutchins>nathan2: chroot is pretty simple, maybe five commands.
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16:35<Ryccardo>nathan2: if you have the installer at hand, select "rescue mode" and pretend you're reinstalling -- at the right moment you'll get a shell in your installed system
16:35<nathan2>petn-randall: i have both kind of interfaces available
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16:37<petn-randall>nathan2: You could configure your network via /etc/network/interfaces then, and then remove the config later. But as jhutchins said, chroot'ing is fairly easy.
16:37<petn-randall>nathan2: Sorry, can't help you any further, I have a very flakey connection to my IRC bouncer. But I'm sure the channel can help you.
16:37<petn-randall>:)
16:38<nathan2>yea i sould like to learn to use chroot but my device is currently a mobile and its pretty difficult to me to read the dicumentation with it
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16:38<Guest1449>Greetings. I am trying to diagnose a (virtual) server running Jessie that has rebooted itself twice today for unknown reasons. At the time that it is rebooting, I am seeing "Starting Synchronise Hardware Clock to System Clock..." in my syslog, followed by lots of lines about stopping things.
16:39<nathan2>petn-randall: ok thank you!
16:40<Guest1449>At first I thought this might be the cause of the reboot, but based on the contents of /lib/systemd/system/hwclock-save.service I am getting the impression that this is instead an effect of the reboot. Could anyone confirm this?
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16:40<gryps>petn-randall: is-enable states no such file for the unit file
16:41<gryps>petn-randall: i'll try the mask command, thx
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16:41<Ryccardo>Guest1449: yep, your computer's clock is normally only used at boot, the kernel runs its own clock (maybe with help of ntp or the like) and it saves it back to the chip while rebooting (or when you manually use `hwclock -s`)
16:42<Guest1449>Ryccardo: thanks. So that means my system is going through the orderly reboot process. Any ideas of where I could look to figure out why it is doing so?
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16:44<Ryccardo>Guest1449: wait though, it really says "hardware to system"? that's the opposite of what it should do at shutdown (maybe only that text is wrong, but still...)
16:45<jhutchins>Ryccardo: That's probably on the way up.
16:46<jhutchins>Hm, no, "Followed by...".
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16:48<Ryccardo>nathan2: here's a guide to chroot if you'd like to try http://pastie.org/10237915 -- you can use the installer in expert mode until after "configure the network", press alt+f2 and run those commands there
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16:49<Guest1449>Ryccardo: Yep, that's definitely the message, and it definitely looks like it is on the way down at that point. It is followed by lots and lots of messages about stopping things, then a few minutes later the usual startup process
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16:50<nathan2>Rycciardo: thank you so much! I'll take a look!
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16:56<AriMartti>hi, is there any way to install debian on GPT disk with UEFI without messing partition tables with hybrid MBR?
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16:56<joelkraehemann>refind is great
16:57<AriMartti>but I have OS X and Windows 10 installed yet
16:57<AriMartti>I have refind
16:57<AriMartti>http://paste.debian.net/221297/
16:57<Ryccardo>AriMartti: not sure (hybrid mbr is a poor thing), but you could backup your first sector and restore it afterwards
16:58<AriMartti>there is my partition table now, after cleaning hybrid mbr created by debian-installer
16:58<joelkraehemann>re-run refind if necessary
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16:58<joelkraehemann>I have no windows but runs great
16:59<joelkraehemann>with debian on recent apple
16:59<AriMartti>but if debian installs grub in mbr, my windows is uncorrectly unbootable
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16:59<joelkraehemann>don't install grub
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16:59<joelkraehemann>and enter rescue mode and setup home directories as well passwords
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17:00<Ryccardo>joelkraehemann: as a gummiboot user, I agree (even though gummiboot won't work for this case) :)
17:00<AriMartti>can refind boot debian without grub?
17:00<joelkraehemann>yes
17:00<joelkraehemann>I have it done this way
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17:01<Ryccardo>yep, as long as your kernel has efistub enabled (Debian official ones qualify)
17:01<morsicus>Hi there, i've a little problem. I'm trying to create a guest with KVM but when i try to virt-install … I ve this error --> ERROR Unable to add bridge eth0:0 port vnet0: Operation not supported
17:01<morsicus> | Any idea ?
17:01<AriMartti>let's check that, I have debian installed on /dev/sda5
17:01<AriMartti>but no grub on mbr or whatever
17:02<Ryccardo>you installed it in efi mode, right?
17:02<AriMartti>brb, thanks for all
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17:02<joelkraehemann>does apple have uEFI?
17:02<jhutchins>joelkraehemann: Yes.
17:02<joelkraehemann>I think its EFI
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17:02<AriMartti>meybe it is EFI
17:03<Ryccardo>joelkraehemann: my 2011 macbookpro has efi 1.1 with some 2.0 features, but apparently it's efi2 since the 2013 Air (at least it can boot windows in efi mode with sound and all working)
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17:03<qwk>hi, cinnamon crash when im trying to install drivers to steam: libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386
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17:03<joelkraehemann>restricted boots you either have or not
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17:04<Ryccardo>secure boot? nope, luckily (it's overhyped and easily removable, but I still see its application as a misfeature)
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17:05<AriMartti>whoa, refind found my all kernels and booted legacy way it
17:05<AriMartti>now on my fresh debian sid
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17:07<joelkraehemann>AriMartti, do you have users?
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17:21<nathan2>Ryccardo: ive fixed the kept back package and now apt-get dist-upgrade returns nothing to be done
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17:22<Ryccardo>nathan2: you've upgraded everything, then :) (but db5.1-whatever has nothing to do with networkmanager, though...)
17:22<nathan2>Ryccardo: but still ive the network-manager process aborted
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17:23<Ryccardo>maybe try purging network-manager, remove its folder in /etc, reinstall it
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17:26<AriMartti>joelkraehemann: no, this is my personal computer
17:26<nathan2>Ryccardo: i cannot remove network-manager without also remove gnome
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17:26<Ryccardo>ah, you installed it through the task-gnome-desktop metapackage...
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17:27<Ryccardo>(or the installer did that for you) ;)
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17:28<nathan2>Ryccardo: could I debug it with gdb?
17:29<Ryccardo>uhhhh... no idea, and definitely don't ask me how :)
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17:29<joelkraehemann>AriMartti, do you know how to fix the users
17:30<nathan2>Ryccardo: how could i remove the network-manager profiles and reset it to its default "state"?
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17:34<AriMartti>joelkraehemann: what is broken on your users?
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17:35<joelkraehemann>As I aborted installation it didn't setup passwords or create home directories
17:36<AriMartti>do you have root?
17:36<Ryccardo>nathan2: /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/* are saved networks
17:36<AriMartti>root user i mean
17:36<joelkraehemann>for sure, I fixed using rescue mode
17:36<AriMartti>'adduser youruser' may do the trick
17:36<Ryccardo>joelkraehemann: reboot in single user, `adduser YOURUSERNAME`, `adduser YOURUSERNAME sudo` is basically it
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17:37<joelkraehemann>sometimes you don't have keyboard, yet
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17:37<joelkraehemann>because apple uses usb keyboard
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17:38<AriMartti>why don't you simple reinstall?
17:38<joelkraehemann>everything works great
17:38<joelkraehemann>I'm not a novice, I fix things
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17:39<AriMartti>but if you have aborted installation you may have no complete base install set installed and so on
17:39<AriMartti>it may be broken
17:39<AriMartti>your installation, i meant
17:39<joelkraehemann>Just at grub installation, I aborted
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17:40<Ryccardo>joelkraehemann: next time, put in separate lines "usbcore ehci_hcd usbhid hid_apple" in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and rebuild ramdisk :)
17:40<joelkraehemann>Ryccardo, thank you
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17:42<Ryccardo>in wheexy, if you picked small ramdisk, you'd end up with an encrypted disk and no way to enter the password, I learned quickly :)
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17:46<Ryccardo>rebooting to change kernels :~
17:47<Ryccardo>wait, better install it before
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17:51<nathan2>Ryccardo: how could i read all boot messages? bootlogd isnt working..
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18:12<Ryccardo>nathan2: haven't found anything on where they're saved, but this has how you can look back at tty1 https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd_FAQ
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18:13<Ryccardo>rebuilding kernel again, forgot to patch a driver...
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18:26<Yst>Would anyone here be able to help me reverse tether my mobile to my Debian laptop? The network manager on the laptop seems to be trying to connect, but it never finishes.
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18:28<Yst>I'm running the Xfce desktop, if that matters.
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18:50<morsicus>Someone has any idea why i can't delete eth0:0 with ip command ? ?
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19:31<dtcrshr>what is the default password on debian live 8 ?
19:31<Brigo>let me guess: debian?
19:32<dtcrshr>tryed many combinatins, but for the root user
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19:32<dtcrshr>root/debian, debian/debian, root/root
19:33<dtcrshr>for me here forums.debian.net are offline
19:33<Brigo>http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:sBpysrYc4TgJ:forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php%3Ff%3D10%26t%3D102937+&cd=1&hl=es&ct=clnk&gl=es
19:33<Bob_Hartge>try toor?
19:33<Brigo>dtcrshr, for me too, but i know about google cache ;I
19:34<dtcrshr>hm.. sorry
19:34<dtcrshr>but it opened just a gray tag and keeps loading forever till timeouts
19:35<dtcrshr>ill f5, just a moment
19:35<dtcrshr>user/live worked thanks
19:35<dtcrshr>the text only page oppened
19:36<Brigo>dtcrshr, good for you :)
19:36<Ryccardo>or you can cheat and add live-config to kernel arguments, it appears :)
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19:38<dtcrshr>nah, I just needed to test something with cryptsetup
19:38<dtcrshr>it already worked, im going back to the installed os
19:39<dtcrshr>I had a 7.2 live iso, but it was too big, I just downloaded the -standard one and got stucked on the user / pass
19:39<dtcrshr>thanks everyone for the tips
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19:58*Texou is searching for Russian Debian users
19:58<Brigo>Texou, #debian-ru, of course. :)
19:58<Texou>Brigo: seems empty
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19:59<Brigo>Texou, afaik, it is you best bet :/
19:59<Texou>Brigo: isn't there a ML?
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20:11<joelkraehemann>The email bug-report works
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21:55<arturo>hola
21:56<arturo>ablas español?}
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22:21<bnj>I tried to force a fsck, and now my headless system doesn't respond to either SSH or ping.
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22:22<voltagex>what's the supported way of getting wine-mono on Jessie?
22:23<bnj>I used the command "sudo shutdown -rF now"
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22:34<difol>anyone here?
22:35<Benjaminhusky>yup
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