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00:20<dakka>LetsFindOut, if u find a better one I would also be interested. I was using flareget on my old system. Didnt install it this time
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00:22<LetsFindOut>sure
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00:34<LetsFindOut>is there a way to force tor service fully on everything ?
00:38<sney>I don't use tor but you could probably do it by setting your default route to go through whatever tor endpoint is presented to your system
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00:41<LetsFindOut>sory i asked this question in wrong channel, but i want to know if i can create a network in virtualbox which use my tor port ?
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01:06<ItsDeadJim>Hey, folks, repairing a borked system. Have booted 8.1 DVD 1, via USB, into rescue mode. But I can't find either dpkg or apt in order to do what I need.
01:06<ItsDeadJim>Am I missing something obvious here?
01:06<ItsDeadJim>I must be.
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01:09<ASGR>try using absolute paths
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01:10<ItsDeadJim>Have one in mind? I can't even locate the binaries, at least not in the usual places.
01:11<jm_>what exactly are you trying to do?
01:12<ASGR>this might be the wrong place to sak. try #debian-live
01:13<ASGR>61 users logged in there
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01:15<ItsDeadJim>jm_: A library got eaten, system no longer boots, so the idea was to boot into the rescue, chroot, dpkg -i the missing file, and bob's your uncle.
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01:15<ItsDeadJim>chroot is ok, but the plan stalled on the second bit. heh.
01:16<ItsDeadJim>ASGR: A good idea.
01:16<jm_>ItsDeadJim: so if dpkg/apt are no longer there it means it was not only the library that's missing, does ls work for example?
01:17<ASGR>i don't think live systems are meant to be up-dated. they usually get booted from CD/DVD. You probably have to go through the install process.
01:17<jm_>have you also ensured PATH is set properly? sometimes using chroot it's not, so do try /usr/bin/dpkg too
01:18<ItsDeadJim>jm_: Sure, all the usual commands work fine on the rescue cd.
01:18<ItsDeadJim>that's the thing, in the rescue environment, there doesn't appear to be a /usr/bin/dpkg. or a dpkg anywhere, that I can find.
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01:19<ASGR>probably packed away in an install archive. no idea. #debian-live
01:19<jm_>ItsDeadJim: in that case first identify everything that's missing, try debsums
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01:24<jm_>hmm that command is using dpkg so it may not work, in that case I would cat sll md5sum files in one and then use md5sum -c or cfv with that
01:25<ItsDeadJim>jm_: It's sort of a barebones environment, which is expected in rescue mode, but I though that dpkg at least would be part of the available bits.
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01:27<jm_>ItsDeadJim: no, live-cd might have it, for installer it's in /pool/main/d/dpkg/dpkg*deb
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01:34<ItsDeadJim>Hmm, I did not try the live-cd.
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01:35<jm_>better verify in #debian-live first though
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02:02<ItsDeadJim>Ok, for the record, live-cd comes with dpkg, installed dvd (even in rescue) has some cut-rate version for the installer itself.
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02:05<jm_>sure, udebs there
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02:08<themill>running the installer from within the live environment sometimes produces some weird results
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03:12<User07>Hello. Can you tell me something usefull about installing Compiz Fusion on Debian 8 width MATE? (I tried Ubuntu Compiz sources, but I ran in troubles.)
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03:15<themill>compiz isn't in debian at all -- just about any window manager you look at has the same features these days
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03:22<ItsDeadJim>Progress is made. Dead system know boots to a prompt (of sorts)
03:23<themill>Probably need a new nick then
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03:37<babilen>dpkg: tell User07 -about compiz
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03:41<User07>themill: What a pity! It was the most usefull thing in Linux... :-) Somebody said: "the man who developed/maintanced or just packed these packages has no time any more..."
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03:42<User07>(Compiz Fusion is working on Fedora 21 (+MATE) perfectly!)
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03:50<User07>themill: I know KDE Plasma Desktop effects, and Cinnamon "effects", but these are very-very-very far from the original Compiz... :-)
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03:57<babilen>User07: It is not in Debian and was dead for a long time which is why it was removed from Debian. I'd ask in #compiz about ways to install it and the current status of the project.
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04:02<Xylon>is this OK?
04:02<Xylon># hostname -f
04:02<Xylon>hostname: Name or service not known
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04:04<User07>babilen: I don't really understand why Compiz is dead, why www.compiz.org is dead, but maybe the man who mantained package is dead... :-) I wouldn't think that it is a man-developing-project. I thought it was developed by a lot of people all over the world. I wonder there wasn't anybody to support this.
04:04<themill>User07: compiz didn't even compile for a couple of years
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04:06<babilen>User07: It appears as if they released a new stable 0.9 version, but the project was dead for quite some time. I neither care nor know much about it though.
04:06<Xylon>when I first moved from Windows to Ubuntu I was amazed by compiz
04:06<User07>themill: so is nobody interesting in this project nowhere?
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04:06<babilen>Xylon: Do you have hostname installed?
04:06<Xylon>babilen, of course
04:07<Xylon># hostname
04:07<Xylon>www
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04:07<Xylon>just hostanme -f does not work
04:07<jm_>which version of debian is that? try hostname --fqdn
04:07<themill>User07: as I said earlier, it offers nothing beyond what is already in other window managers these days
04:07<Xylon>it's Jessie and hostname --fqdn gets "hostname: Name or service not known"
04:08<themill>User07: there seems to have been a few signs of life in the last year
04:08<babilen>Xylon: Also take a look at /etc/hosts and verify that the entry in there is correct
04:08<jm_>in jessie hostname -f works fine for me
04:08<Xylon># cat /etc/hostname
04:08<Xylon>www
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04:08<Xylon>this is the odd part
04:08<jm_>so thay probably explains it
04:09<babilen>Xylon: I am talking about /etc/hosts, could you paste that?
04:09<jm_>(that and its entry in /etc/hosts)
04:09<Xylon>/etc/hosts is www.t67.eu
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04:12<jm_>that's your actual line in it?
04:13<babilen>(and the only one?!)
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04:35<User07_>themill: "it offers nothing beyond what is already in other window managers these days"... ...I don't think so... Where is 3D window when you rotate the cube? Where is the possibility when you grab a window to the desktop edge and the cube automatically turned? Where is the lot of little (closing or other) effects (Snow, Fire)? Where is blablaba? :-)
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04:37<User07_>themill: KDE Plasma is not capable of turning the desktop cube with mouse (in freestyle), only with "the middle button" (thumbtrack).
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04:43<peter1138>I think most people figured compiz was mostly just distracting fluff after a few wow moments ;p
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04:50<User07_>peret1138: Hmmm this is a very interresting view of point... ...maybe I am a mad... :-)
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04:51<User07_>I have never seen before more usefull things than Compiz for working, developing and entertainment... :-)
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04:53<User07_>peter1138: however I tried a lot of linux disstributions, and a lot of desktop managers... ...but the Compiz was the best of all... :-)
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04:53<dakka>I use KDE and it has compiz like effects
04:53<dakka>wobbly windows, the virtual desktop cube plus 100 other effects
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04:54<User07_>dakka: as I say earlier, KDE Plasma Desktop is very far from the original Compiz... :-)
04:54<dakka>what is different from the original? I am going from memory and they seem the same...but yea my memory is bad
04:54<peter1138>productivity-wise, non-tiling window managers seem popular
04:55<dakka>I am of course talking cosmetically, no idea what its like when compared beneath the bonnet
04:55<User07_>For example where can you find the "3D window"-effect in KDE Plasma??? :-) Where is the huge range of animation effects for closing windows and for desktop (eg.: Show, Rain, Fire, etc.)??? :-)
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04:56<dakka>yes i i have those
04:56<dakka>let me checl
04:56<peter1138>vital features ;)
04:56<dakka>lolz they are cool :P
04:56<User07_>peret1138: You are so ironic... :-)
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04:57<dakka>sorry just trying to find it, there are so many settings...hehe
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04:58<dakka>the fire one is when u close a window right?
04:58<User07_>Can you rotate the desktop cube with mouse in freestyle mode? And when turning it, transparent??? :-)
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04:59<dakka>not sure, i never really liked that, so i have messed with that too much, but i know the fire and shattered glass affects etc are there
04:59<dakka>I think for the cube u just need to map some keys to allow keyboard or mouse control
04:59<duclicsic>compiz with the settings manager is still the only way I've ever come across to assign arbitrary actions including commands to additional mouse buttons without messing around in config files etc
05:00<duclicsic>does KDE do this too now?
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05:01<User07_>dakka: you are wrong... there are as many customs house... :-)
05:01<dakka>I could very well be
05:02<User07_>It is a thing you don't like something... ...and It is another one that you are one in a million... :-)
05:02<dakka>I am not too familiar with the cube as i dont like it, so i didnt mess with it a lot
05:03<dakka>but the other stuff like fire, or shattered glass, wobbly windows plus a lot more are there, i do remember those from compiz
05:03<User07_>I have found a site about nightmare... :-) --> http://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/2dpsc8/building_compiz_from_source_is_a_nightmare/
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05:05<User07_>Thanks everything for you all... ...I was enjoying this talking about Compiz... But I have to go now. Have a nice day!
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05:06<dakka>ah i found the cube settings, u need to map keys to whatever u want
05:06<dakka>there are quite a few things, like switch one desktop down
05:06<dakka>one left, right etc
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05:07<dakka>not sure if u can use a mouse tho
05:07<dakka>yep just tested it, when u left click and drag, i can drag around the cube
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05:08<User07_>dakka: I saw that, I cannot move the cube with mouse... ...as I say... thank you all, but I have to go now. Have a nice day!
05:08<dakka>lol i am doing it now, but yea ok np
05:08<User07_>Bye for now...
05:08<dakka>cya
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05:09<dakka>I have a question, I am trying to get sensors to show CPU temp, so far I get something called temp1 on pci adapter and power on pci adapter
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05:10<jm_>tried running sensors-detect?
05:10<dakka>I am using lm-sensors and ran sudo sensors-detect
05:10<dakka>yes
05:10<jm_>ok so you have
05:11<dakka>it autoloaded 2 modules
05:11<jm_>which two?
05:11<dakka>fam15h_power-pci-00c4 & k10temp-pci-00c3
05:11<dakka>my system is very new, so i am wondering maybe its not supported yet?
05:11<jm_>yeah very likely, you might try a newer kernel
05:12<dakka>distro[Debian 8.1]
05:12<dakka>I have latest stable, did u mean testing or something else (sorry I am kind of new to the technical side of linux)
05:12<jm_>there's no new one for that yet in backports but you should be able to build one yourself easily (get the 4.0 one from sid)
05:13<jm_>!tell dakka -about ssb
05:13<dakka>hehe, easily....umm are there risks associated with doing that? I am very unfamiliar with building kernels (I did it once via a guide, but had no idea what i was doing)
05:14<jm_>very little risk - the old kernel will remain installed so you will just select that at boot menu if new one does not boot
05:14<jm_>i'll be back in about 30 minutes
05:14<jm_>ssb method should be simple if slow
05:14<dakka>np, i need to look up a dozen words in that message i just got to understand what it means
05:14<dakka>sorry very new, its why i am lurking here i am trying to learn
05:14<jm_>alternatively wait until a new kernel shows up in backports
05:15<jm_>really gone now
05:15<dakka>ok np cya
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05:23<krion>hi guys
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05:23<krion>i guys
05:23<krion>i got a problem related, i guess, to systemd
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05:24<krion>i read the release notes and didn't see anything related
05:24<petn-randall>!ask
05:24<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
05:24<krion>petn-randall: i'm in the process too, don't worry :)
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05:30<krion>my problem is with nfs, and unbound
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05:31<krion>i got a nfs share in fstab declared as: hostname:/ /mountpoint nfs _netdev,rw,addr...
05:31<krion>the thing is, as i read the journalctl
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05:31<krion>unbound is started about 8 secondes after the mount is try to be mounted
05:31<krion>and i got a "hostname not found error"
05:32<krion>i was wondering, since boot order doesn't work as sysvinit, if i could put a "require" or "dependency"
05:32<krion>and where to put it
05:34<SynrGy>!enter
05:34<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
05:34<krion>sure...
05:34<krion>my bad if my text is unreadable
05:34<petn-randall>krion: Ok, so you problem appears to be that NFS is started before unbound?
05:35<petn-randall>*your
05:35<krion>petn-randall: i can say that, yes, when i read the journalctl log, that what is appear
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05:38<petn-randall>krion: You can run 'systemctl | grep mount' to check which unit file is responsible for mounting that NFS mount. You can then check with 'systemctl show foo.mount' the details of that unit. It should start after networking though.
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05:39<krion>http://paste.debian.net/231236/
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05:40<krion>the unit is generated, i have edit the file but not sure if it's the right way to directly modify this file, fyi the file is /run/systemd/generator/data-nfs.mount
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05:51<krion>petn-randall: any idea where i should look in order to cleanly fix this problem. maybe add a "dependency" to unbound for data-nfs.mount ? what about the fact that mount.nfs seems generated by systemd
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05:57<Gistwo>sale batrad
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06:16<petn-randall>krion: in 'systemctl show data-nfs.mount', do check the Requires/Before/After directives. Could also be that unbound is not starting up correctly.
06:19<krion>unbound is started correctly seven second later that when nfs is try to be mounted. i'll look the data-nfs.mount, but not sure how to edit it
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06:21<jm_>does it work if you don't use unbound? or if you add the host to /etc/hosts?
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06:30<krion>yes :) it works if i declare the hostname in /etc/hosts
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06:31<krion>it's really related to unbound started way after the nfs is try to be mounted, also unbound doesn't have anything related to systemd, so i guess it's a compatibility system that start it with the script in /etc/init.d
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06:31<jm_>possibly yes, maybe try creating a unit file for it so it's started before nfs mounts
06:31<krion>try to found and unbound.target or something similar in order to add a dependency
06:32<krion>also the petn-randall is good, but systemctl show data-nfs.mount doesn't show either Requires/Before/After directives
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06:36<jm_>yeah not all of them have it
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06:43<krion>thanks to everyone, i fix my problem :)
06:44<krion>i've added wants and after with unbound.service to remote-fs-pre.target
06:44<krion>reboot, and it's ok
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06:47<jm_>now make a backup of those changed files so you have them on upgrades
06:47<krion>:)
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06:48<krion>we did almost everything with puppet
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06:50<krion>i don't really like the fact that i edit /lib/systemd/system/remote-fs-pre.target directly, not sure if it's really a best practice
06:51<ansgar>krion: It's not and will be reverted on updates. Create /etc/systemd/system/remote-fs-pre.target instead.
06:52<ansgar>krion: Also if you want want to add wants: ls -l /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants
06:54<ansgar>krion: Or write [Unit] \n After=x \n Wants=x to /etc/systemd/system/remote-fs-pre.target.d/local.conf
06:54<SynrGy>krion: it's not only not 'best practice', but would silently break the minute the package providing that file is upgraded.
06:54<krion>ok thanks
06:55<SynrGy>i.e. systemd upgrade would break it
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06:56<Tadda>Hi
06:57<krion>should i copy all the content of /lib/systemd/system/remote-fs-pre.target to /etc/systemd/system/remote-fs-pre.target or just add my after ?
06:57<krion>s/after/after directive/
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06:59<Tadda>I got a new notebook and debian (live) cant work with the on board wifi. I'm not really sure how to get the right firmware for my wifi chip
07:02<Tadda>I'm not really into debian but I did dmesg and it returned this http://paste.debian.net/231373/
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07:03<jm_>!iwlwifi
07:03<dpkg>The iwlwifi Linux kernel driver supports several Intel 802.11n (WiFi Link, Wireless-N, Advanced-N, Ultimate-N) and 802.11ac adapters. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. Supported devices are listed at https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi . See also <iwlegacy>, <iwl7000>.
07:04<jm_>Tadda ^^^^^^^
07:04<jm_>so either install the package using say USB storage or next time install using the image that has firmware packages on it
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07:06<Tadda>ah.. non-free. so thats why I didnt find anything from the synaptic package manager?
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07:07<jm_>yeah
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07:18<Tadda>hm. I did install iwlwifi but dmesg shows the same message again and I dont really know how to test the wifi or even know if it's turned on
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07:20<appas>i guess ifconfig tells you if there is a wireless adapter. nmcli can help you get online if there is.
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07:21<Tadda>ifconfig? command not found :/
07:21<jm_>Tadda: try update-initramfs -u then reboot
07:21<jm_>as root obviously
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07:22<Tadda>does this put my recent changes on the debian live flash drive? otherwise I would lose all changes after rebooting
07:23<jm_>no it updates initrd image
07:23<Tadda>Is this a yes or no that I will be there after rebooting the live image? :D
07:24<appas>Tadda: ifconfig is in gnome-nettool. i didn't realize it was not installed by default, sry
07:24<Tadda>jm_ doesnt matter. I: update-initramfs is disabled (live system is running on read-only media).
07:24<jm_>I don't know how to make it permanent with live media, try #debian-live
07:25<jm_>if nothing else building a custom live image shall work
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07:25<Tadda>thanks anyway you two. Now I know that I actually need a non-free firmware for my wifi
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07:28<jm_>no problem
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07:35<CompizMAD>Hello Everybody! Is there anybody to be interested in Compiz Fusion? If so, why is not a man on this planet who want to develope it, maintaine it, package it and use it? :-)
07:36<CompizMAD>(on Debian 8, of course)
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07:37<ansgar>CompizMAD: Doesn't the 2nd question already imply an answer for the 1st? ;)
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07:37<muep>perhaps we just have so many window managers already
07:39<CompizMAD>ansgar: sorry, but you are right... ...I'm very sad for it... ...maybe I should develope it, maintaine it, package it, and I shall be the only one who use it... :-)
07:39<dakka>u werent in here before were u? and i was showing KDE had those effects?
07:40<CompizMAD>muep: Compiz (+Beryl) Fusion was born in 2006 and perfectly worked on Ubuntu 6, I think...
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07:40<dakka>cube with mouse control, fire, wobbly windows etc?
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07:42<CompizMAD>dakka: You are right! I have an unique style... :-) I am just using KDE Plasma with 16 virtual desktops in two rows handling with cursors and mouse thumbtrack...
07:42<appas>CompizMAD: if you weren't User07 from before, http://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/2dpsc8/building_compiz_from_source_is_a_nightmare/ here's someone's experience with building compiz on jessie. also, maintaining a debian package is not that hard, and could be a nice hobby :]
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07:44<CompizMAD>appas: I was User07 before, on another office... :-)
07:44<appas>ok :)
07:44<CompizMAD>But I will using this nickname for your pleasure... :-)
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07:45<dakka>I was able to reproduce everything u asked about, so i am unsure why u still think its not what u want. What exactly is missing?
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07:45<muep>CompizMAD: I know it is a fairly old project, but apart from the effects, it does not seem to provide a compelling advantage over the commonly used wms. and then there are environments like gnome where a lot of the functionality is built into the window manager
07:45<CompizMAD>dakka: Where is "burn down with smoke"-effect on KDE Plasma??? :-)
07:46<muep>so you can not easily change the window manager without replacing half of the DE
07:47<dakka>is that when u close a window?
07:47<CompizMAD>dakka: ...and where is the ability when you drag a window and reach to the desktop edge and the desktop cube automatically turned. (so I can drag a window to another)
07:48<dakka>thats is there
07:48<dakka>i saw that earlier when u were asking about mouse for cube, let me find that
07:48<CompizMAD>dakka: ...and how to put a window just on the corner of the cube? :-)
07:49<muep>I would guess that compiz is a pretty large program when compared to most of the other window managers
07:49<dakka>u just move it there
07:50<CompizMAD>dakka: Where did you set this? I am just drag a window (XChat) and tried to move to the edge, but there is nothing.
07:50<CompizMAD>muep: Compiz is not a very large program.
07:50<dakka>settings, wirkspace appearance and behavior, workspace behavior, screen edges, switch desktop on edge
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07:51<dakka>u need the above set first
07:52<CompizMAD>Waiting for this, because I am using a Hungarian Debian, right now at this office... :-)
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07:52<dakka>dude i just explained it?
07:52<dakka>I even moved my own xchat window to the corner
07:52<muep>CompizMAD: I have not checked, but it looks like a fairly large one
07:52<CompizMAD>dakka: ok, I am about to set what you say... :-)
07:52<dakka>when i rotate my screen i see it go over the edges like its folded
07:53<dakka>did u already enable the cube? that needs to be set as well
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07:54<CompizMAD>dakka: I am now using KDE Plasma with 16 virtual desktops in two rows, and using cube, of course.
07:55<dakka>ok cool, i only tested with 4 desktops, but i assume it will work with 16
07:55<dakka>hmm i have never set more than 4, i will try 16...lol
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07:56<dakka>ouch my graphics card cant handle 16 very well
07:56<CompizMAD>dakka: I am to set it because I want to switch the upper and lower side of the cube, too... :-)
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07:57<CompizMAD>I have found "settings" ("Rendszerbeállítások" in Hungarian)...
07:57<dakka>I havent ever used the cube, as i dont like it...so i am just working this stuff out as we speak
07:58<dakka>I do like the other effects tho, so i am more familiar with those, i had the fire one set at one stage, but i got sick of it after 2 days, so i disabled that
07:59<CompizMAD>I am looking for "workspace appearance and behavior" Hungarian equivalent...
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07:59<dakka>second row in settings, and last icon?
07:59<dakka>then screen edges
08:00<muep>CompizMAD: https://www.openhub.net/p/compiz seems to estimate that compiz has hundreds of thousands of lines of code
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08:02<CompizMAD>sorry Wait a minute because I am in an important communication...
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08:26<f-a>how can I see all the package that provides x-www-browser ?
08:26<f-a>(iceweasel, chromium, dwb, etc.)
08:29<jm_>grep-available -F Provides www-browser (looks like no packages provide x-www-browser)
08:29<appas>for a list of installed packages, update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
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08:31<f-a>appas: even not installed
08:32<f-a>*I would prefer listing non installed browsers too
08:32<f-a>(I need to pick a new browser and wanted to make a reasoned choice this time)
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08:36<f-a>https://packages.debian.org/jessie/www-browser for anyone insterested
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08:37<CompizMAD>dakka: I haven't found the settings for "switch desktop on edge"... :-)
08:37<appas>for some reason, grep-available does not show information about chromium, despite chromium having Provides: www-browser gnome-www-browser :|
08:37<jm_>that's what grep-available finds too
08:37<jm_>it lists chromium for me
08:37<dakka>i forgot to ask what version of debian u have? I am using debian 8.1 jessie?
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08:38<CompizMAD>I am using the same (8.1).
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08:39<appas>jm_: weird
08:39<canaima>hola
08:39<appas>ah well, that website is the most informative, anyway
08:40<dakka>if u slowly go through the second row of settings you should find it, its right below the settings for the virtual desktops
08:41<dakka>you said u have 16 so u must have set that at some stage, check next settings down?
08:41<jm_>appas: try 'dselect update'
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08:43<CompizMAD>dakka: I found "Virtual desktop", but I cannot see anything about "more settings"...
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08:45<jm_>why not switch it to english?
08:46<dakka>^^ great idea!
08:46<CompizMAD>dakka: I have no second row of settings.
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08:50<dakka>Sorry...system settings >> second row last icon "Workspace Behavior" >> screen edges (on the right menu)
08:50<dakka>i meant second row of system settings, the title for that section is: Workspace Appearance and Behavior
08:51<CompizMAD>dakka: ok, I change language, I need to log out... :-)
08:51<dakka>ok
08:51<CompizMAD>bye for now...
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08:54<appas>jm_: that did the trick. can you explain what dselect does differently compared to apt-get update? because i'd already tried that
08:54<CompizMAD>dakka: I am using Debian 8 with English language... :-)
08:55<jm_>appas: I believe apt does not update available file, see /msg dpkg available
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08:56<appas>humm... i see. learn something new every day :)
08:56<CompizMAD>dakka: I am a Hungarian boy, but I prefer English... ...so I have found what you say... :-)
08:57<CompizMAD>dakka: so we have to follow this conversation... ...where is the "Burning down with smoke"-effect? :-)
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09:04<CompizMAD>dakka: ...and where is the "3D windows"-effect when you can see the windows far from the cube side?
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09:18<ckosloff>the heck is going on with them forums?
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09:18<ckosloff>They've been out for 3-4 days now!
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09:19<centrx>http://www.debianuserforums.org/ ?
09:20<ckosloff>centrx: I am talking about the other one, @.net
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09:21<CompizMAD>Can somebody tell me how to set "Burning down with smoke" in KDE Plasma on Debian 8?
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09:23<centrx>CompizMAD, Try #kde on irc.freenode.net
09:23<ra0>hi
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09:41<bluenemo>hi guys. I'm new to php hosting (did rails and django with nginx before) and did setup apache2 with php-fpm, mysql and vsftpd. I have each /var/www/app.example.com owned by a linux user and group named app.example.com, which is in www-data group for apache. fpm runs as app.example.com. My idea for ftp was to login for each app with the linux user but the customer wants to login with one ftp user for all apps - now it comes to uid / gid s
09:41<bluenemo>tuff :) If I create a 'webadmin' user for ftp, and put that in the group of the web applications, and use the SETGID bit on /var/www/app.example.com, is that a valid way to go? All files would then be webadmin:app.example.com, so php-fpm could read them and apache too. Is this a good way?
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09:53<centrx>bluenemo, try #httpd or #php on irc.freenode.net
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09:57<bluenemo>centrx, thank you
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11:24<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Does anyone know of a GUI FTP program for debian that will allow you to view two remote sites at the same time side-by-side so you can compare directories / folders, etc?
11:25<ElDiabloWar3Evo>I am currently using FileZilla and it can only use local / remote in one screen, with additional local / remote in tabs.. and is not what I'm looking for.
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11:27<misterhat>ElDiabloWar3Evo: is multiple windows ok?
11:28<themill>krusader can (but really, ftp??)
11:28<ElDiabloWar3Evo>I think I can deal with multiple windows as long as i can adjust them to see them side by side.
11:28<jm_>mc can do that
11:28<misterhat>well ElDiabloWar3Evo i'd just use nautilus or sshfs then :P
11:29<ElDiabloWar3Evo>I'm running under fluxbox and anything that is like nautilus screws up my screen :/
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11:33<misterhat>you can use any graphical (or not) fm with sshfs
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11:36<ElDiabloWar3Evo>so thunar could go remote?
11:36<misterhat>yeah, $ sshfs user@host directory
11:37<misterhat>then you can access directory from thunar
11:37<misterhat>as if it were a mounted drive or something
11:37<misterhat>that's the only command you'd need to run
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11:38<ElDiabloWar3Evo>wow.. this is neat
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11:39<ElDiabloWar3Evo>i guess i need to apt-get this sshfs
11:39<ElDiabloWar3Evo>it isn't usually on jessie is it?
11:39<misterhat>yeah it's on jessie
11:39<ElDiabloWar3Evo>do i need to sudo it?
11:39<misterhat>you'll need to install it though yeah
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11:40<ElDiabloWar3Evo>is there a disconnect command?
11:40<misterhat>fusermount -u directory
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11:43<ElDiabloWar3Evo>wow.. in actually this opens up a new thing.. I could "remote compile" and edit files using this method?
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11:43<ElDiabloWar3Evo>never thought about mounting remote directories :P
11:44<misterhat>yup you can treat it as a normal directory
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11:44<misterhat>programs running won't know
11:44<misterhat>fuse is super cool
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11:44<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Its fine.. what I do here.. is I have to edit / compile.. then when I want to run it.. I have to send it to the remote server and run it from there.
11:44<ElDiabloWar3Evo>So this would help alot.
11:45<ElDiabloWar3Evo>The programs are run remotely
11:45<bariho>I have a notebook with wheezy. I haven't touched it in at least a year, it's almost in its post install state, no configuration changes, little customiziation done, no valuable data on it either. upgrade to jessie or do a fresh jessie install?
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11:46<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Backup what ever is on it just in case :P
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11:46<misterhat>the wheezy->jessie upgrade went really smooth for me
11:46<misterhat>on all my machines
11:47<ElDiabloWar3Evo>wheezy -> jessie was a problem for me somewhat.. because I'm running on a encrypted drive
11:47<misterhat>ah
11:47<blast007>bariho: I think it's recommended to fully update the wheezy packages before doing an upgrade to jessie
11:47<blast007>fully upgrade*
11:47<ElDiabloWar3Evo>misterhat, yes it was a pain for me.. I had to figure out the nvidia issues.
11:48<ElDiabloWar3Evo>The fastest thing is just a fresh install of jeesie if you don't care to loose anything on that system.
11:49<ElDiabloWar3Evo>But if you have used that system before you "haven't touched it" .. you may just want to back it up before you do anything.
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11:50<bariho>ok, thanks for your advice
11:50<bariho>have a nice day
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12:00<ElDiabloWar3Evo>if i "eject" it.. is that the same as fusermount -u ?
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12:00<jm_>try it and check the output of mount afterwards
12:00<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Thundar can "eject" the remote mount
12:00<ElDiabloWar3Evo>is the output go to dmesg?
12:01<jm_>it goes to stdout
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12:01<ElDiabloWar3Evo>if i right click on it.. it says disconnect
12:01<ElDiabloWar3Evo>stdout.. not sure how to get that from Thundar file manager
12:02<ElDiabloWar3Evo>i guess it would error if i has a issue?
12:02<jm_>thunar probably won't show the output but run mount from a terminal and check if it's really unmounted
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12:03<ElDiabloWar3Evo>ok found that thunar can't do it permission denied
12:04<ElDiabloWar3Evo>this is just cool as hell though.. :)
12:04<jm_>yeah it probably needs to use fusermount not regular umount (which needs a fstab entry)
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12:11<ElDiabloWar3Evo>much thanks for everyone's help :)
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12:13<vuk>hey
12:13<vuk>anyone has experiances with fonts?
12:14<VeltasV>Having some issues with my ThinkPad T23. Using XFCE settings manager can't increase resolution above 800x600, and glxinfo outputs "libGL error: failed to load driver: savage" in stderr
12:15<petn-randall>Hi VeltasV, what release are you running?
12:15<VeltasV>Jessie
12:15<retrospectacus>vuk: I think it's safe to say everyone here does. Just ask your question
12:15<vuk>well
12:15<retrospectacus>on one line
12:15<jm_>VeltasV: look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log for details
12:15<vuk>i kinda having troubles with installing them. i followed every tutorial, and it seems that none of them work.
12:16<retrospectacus>!font
12:16<dpkg>Fonts available as Debian packages are automatically configured for use via <defoma>. To add user-supplied fonts to a Debian system, ask me about <install font> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Fonts . For general font information, see http://www.nwalsh.com/comp.fonts/FAQ/ . See also <liberation>, <mscorefonts>, <ttf>.
12:17<retrospectacus>!install font
12:17<dpkg>To install <fonts> for just one user, copy them into ~/.fonts/ and then run fc-cache -fv (or ask me about <install font kde>, <install font gnome>). To install system-wide, copy them into /usr/share/fonts/truetype/myfonts or into /usr/local/share/fonts/truetype/myfonts (but you will have to add /usr/local/share/fonts/ to your xorg.conf) and run fc-cache -fv as root.
12:17<jm_>you install fonts in debian using apt, or if you want custom ones, sticking them in ~/.fonts should work for apps using fontconfig
12:17<vuk>does terminator use fontconfig?
12:17<jm_>what is terminator?
12:18<vuk>terminal emulator.
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12:18<retrospectacus>did you run that "fc-cache -fv"?
12:18<vuk>yes.
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12:19<thatguychuck>Terminator defaults to using the system fixed width font. Did you look in the preferences of terminator?
12:19<vuk>i already moved them to /usr/share/fonts/trutype
12:19<jm_>looks like it depends on python-vte which depends on libfontconfig
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12:19<vuk>wait
12:19<VeltasV>My /var/log/Xorg.0.log is at veltas.co.uk/Xorg.0.log
12:19<VeltasV>I see a few errors, not sure which are applicable
12:20<vuk>system fixed width is disabled.
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12:20<thatguychuck>But you don't see the new font in the list?
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12:21<vuk>that is the problem, yes.
12:21<jm_>VeltasV: please put it on pastebin: http://paste.debian.net/
12:21<jm_>does fc-list show it?
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12:22<VeltasV>Pastezone version of my Xorg.0.log http://paste.debian.net/hidden/f9ba2bda/
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12:25<vuk>thats odd
12:25<vuk>it doesnt...
12:25<jm_>VeltasV: is this true SAVAGE(0): 1024x768 TFT LCD panel detected and active?
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12:27<trico>im trying to setup vsftpd on jessie, but cannot get the user to login. what do i look at? firewall on vsftpd is off for this testing
12:27<VeltasV>The laptop screen is a 1024x768 TFT LCD panel. It is currently using it at 800x600. That's all I know.
12:27<thatguychuck>VeltasV: Have you tried passing nomodeset as a kernel parameter?
12:27<retrospectacus>trico: the log
12:28<trico>Tue Jun 16 11:53:13 2015 [pid 16370] [xxx] FAIL LOGIN: Client "::ffff:10.74.11.24"
12:28<thatguychuck>vuk: You could install font-manager and install the font from there.
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12:28<VeltasV>thatguychuck: No. I'll try that.
12:28<trico>all it says is the user cannot login, but i already know that
12:28<vuk>font-manager didnt help me much either... gonna try again
12:29<jm_>I find several confusing statements there - "Detected current MCLK value of 286.364 MHz", "Configured Monitor: Using maximum pixel clock of 56.00 MHz", "Clock range: 10.00 to 220.00 MHz" - you don't have /etc/X11/xorg.conf, right?
12:29<jm_>trico: did you enable local logins?
12:29<trico>yes
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12:30<vuk>no, font-manager doesnt work too.
12:30<jm_>and user is not in /etc/ftpusers? has correct shell set?
12:31<VeltasV>jm_: Er I do have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf with rubbish in it, let me delete that and reupload the log
12:31<trico>jm_: not in ftpusers. tried putting it there, but had no effect. shell is bin/false
12:32<jm_>VeltasV: do not forget to restart X
12:32<jm_>trico: that is your problem, man pam_shells
12:33<jm_>and remove it from /etc/ftpusers of course
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12:34<jm_>I will have to leave now, need to boot into grml to trim my drive before vacation
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12:35<trico>jm_: thanks, looked like that worked, sort of. its trying to change to /home/xxx instead of /srv/ftp
12:35<vuk>apparently font-manager just restarts itself when i pick a font
12:36<thatguychuck>vuk: That doesn't sound right either. Any output if you start font-manager from command line?
12:36<jm_>trico: not sure on that, but I really have to go now
12:36<trico>jm_ ok thanks for your help
12:37<jm_>trico: no problem
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12:37<vuk>reading it now, dont see any problems
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12:37<vuk>wait
12:38<vuk>theres this: OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/root/Desktop'
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12:39<vuk>no, wait, that doesnt matter
12:39<vuk>everything else seems in shape, cant figure out whats wrong and why wont it work
12:40<VeltasV>Okay, I've enabled nomodeset
12:40<VeltasV>No change as far as I can see
12:40<VeltasV>And I've removed xorg.conf
12:40<VeltasV>New Xorg.0.log http://paste.debian.net/hidden/99e1c161/
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12:47<vuk>just realised that, by default, 0 down vote accepted
12:47<vuk>
12:47<vuk>the default config restricts the use of bitmap fonts
12:47<vuk>whoops
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12:48<thatguychuck>VeltasV: Similar problem here?: https://forum.manjaro.org/index.php?topic=13554.0 That person solved by adding --vesa to the grub.
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12:53<VeltasV>thatguychuck: Where would I add that in grub?
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13:00<thatguychuck>VeltasV: We may be barking up the wrong tree, there is a bug report for xserver-xorg-video-savage https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=768958
13:00<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/768958 in xserver-xorg-video-savage (open): «ProSavage8 KM266/KL266 only support 800x600 with xserver-xorg-video-savage»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-11-10; last modified: 2015-05-07.
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13:02<ustio>python
13:02<VeltasV>"everything displayed is really ugly
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13:02<VeltasV>(looks like there is no anti-aliasing)"
13:02<VeltasV>That is actually down to the video hardware
13:02<VeltasV>It's either the card or the monitor doing nearest-neighbour to display at a lower res
13:03<VeltasV>Which is what I have right now, which makes it all the more unusable :P
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13:14<VeltasV>thatguychuck: I tried using vesa like that guy and now I get stunning 1024x768 res
13:14<VeltasV>With not completely terrible performance
13:14<VeltasV>On the downside I think that's written off hardware acceleration for the time being
13:15<VeltasV>But getting the right output is obviously more important than having broken hardware acceleration
13:15<thatguychuck>VeltasV: From the bug report it looks like there is an upstream fix that isn't in Jessie yet.
13:15<VeltasV>How do I subscribe for info on when that gets fixed?
13:16<VeltasV>Or is there no easy way of doing that?
13:16<thatguychuck>There is a subscribe button on the bug link.
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13:17<thatguychuck>I wonder if it's possible to build your own backport for that,
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13:18<VeltasV>thatguychuck: hardware acceleration isn't that pressing, I'll just wait for the bugfix and get rid of 99-savagequirk.conf when it's here
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13:19<VeltasV>thatguychuck: Thanks for your expertise, so how would I go about finding a solution like this myself?
13:19<VeltasV>Where do you search for current bugs?
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13:20<thatguychuck>https://www.debian.org/Bugs/
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13:21<thatguychuck>Or sometimes google with debian bugs thrown in can get you where you need to go.
13:21<VeltasV>Cool, do you have a website?
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13:22<thatguychuck>Not at the moment.
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13:22<VeltasV>Well thanks for all your help
13:22<thatguychuck>No worries! Have a good day.
13:23<VeltasV>Every time I have an issue that involves X or video drivers I feel like I've been left out in the middle of the Sahara desert with no hope of rescue
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13:23<VeltasV>Is very nice to get assisted by someone who has a better idea of what's going on, or at least knows where to look
13:23<thatguychuck>I haven't been around linux long enough, but supposedly that was how X used to be, on EVERY install.
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13:24<VeltasV>I've only been using Linux for 6 years or so, not sure how much it's changed
13:24<VeltasV>Newer hardware seems to have less issues, I suppose
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13:25<VeltasV>I would recommend against 14 year old laptops
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13:26<thatguychuck>I just got a thinkpad 600e off craigslist for 15$, just waiting to be tinkered with. :p
13:28<VeltasV>"Featuring a Pentium II processor"
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13:29<VeltasV>"32MB or 64MB of RAM"
13:29<VeltasV>Well good luck with that
13:29<VeltasV>What were you going to install on it?
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13:31<thatguychuck>No idea yet, I need to get around to putting in a new cmos battery. I'll probably just rotate minimal distros or maybe try to debootstrap a command line only install.
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13:33<VeltasV>You could install Debian 3 or something on it
13:33<thatguychuck>That isn't a bad idea either.
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13:39<thatguychuck>VeltasV: You have inspired me. Off to find a CR2032 battery. Have a good day!
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14:19<jprvita>hello all. I'm trying to install Debian stable (8.1.0 amd64) on a new laptop with both UEFI and SATA RAID, but I can't get it to boot (no option shows up in the UEFI boot menu)
14:20<jprvita>I've also tried to follow instruction in the Debian wiki wrt to using the rescue mode to install grub on the dmraid, but for some reason dmreaid does not detect any of the partitions of the array in rescue mode (although it works fine with the installer)
14:20<jprvita>(I only have one entry under /dev/mapper)
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14:20<jprvita>any ideas? I'm happy to test and provide needed information, as I'm a Linux developer as well
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14:29<blast007>jprvita: how did you prepare the boot media? and did you disable secure boot?
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14:31<jprvita>blast007: yes. I was able to boot the install media (USB) and go through the installation process
14:31<jprvita>I'm using the debian-live-8.1.0-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso and I've added dmraid=true to the end of the kernel boot line
14:32<blast007>so the final installed system is what fails to boot, not the installer?
14:32<jprvita>so I was able to re-partition the free space I've had previously created shrinking the win8 partition and all of that
14:32<jprvita>blast007: exactly
14:33<jprvita>according to https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid it is expected that the d-i will fail to install grub in a dmraid array
14:33<blast007>I've not used the live DVD to do installs before, but I have used the normal installer ISOs to do an install or two on a UEFI system.
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14:34<jprvita>yes, I'm using the install CD, not the live system
14:34<jprvita>(it seems the live system does not support booting from UEFI)
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14:35<jprvita>when I try to use the rescue method, as mentioned on the wiki page I've linked, I can not make the system detect the dmraid partitions inside the dmraid volume
14:36<jprvita>so I only have dm-0, and no dm-0p*
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14:36<ultimatetux>What's the password for the phablet user for Ubuntu Touch?
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14:37<towo`>ultimatetux, wrong channel?
14:38<jprvita>ow, and /dev/dm-0 also does not show as an option in the rescue menu to choose a root fs
14:38<ultimatetux>Ops
14:38<jprvita>so I cannot mount it to be able to do the mentioned grub changes
14:38<ultimatetux>towo`, yeah :/
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15:09<gdarrin>hello?
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15:15<retrospectacus>hello gdarrin welcome to #debian
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15:18<gdarrin>does anyone know any good places to find a primer on how to apply options to modules at boot time in jessie?
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15:20<gdarrin>options placed in /etc/modprobe.d seem to be ignored.
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15:37<calder4>gdarrin: t closed the connection)
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15:37<calder4>gautier: /etc/modules
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15:39<gdarrin>@calder4: Could you rephrase that?
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15:41<calder4>gdarrin: Sorry dude
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15:43<gdarrin>@calder4: Is your comment to gautier unrelated to my question?
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15:46<calder4>gdarrin: Hhehehehehe, the comment was for you.
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15:46<calder4>gdarrin: place/put the modules in that file
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15:47<calder4>gdarrin: /etc/modules
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15:48<jhutchins>gdarrin: The @ sign does nothing except prevent the tagged person's nic from highlighting.
15:49<gdarrin>@calder4: my line is "options snd-hda-intel position_fix=1". Is that an appropriate way to give an option in/etc/modules?
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15:50<peter1138>Put it in /etc/modprobe.d/somefilename.conf
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15:51<gdarrin>@peter1138: I actually have it there already, and am wondering if it may be overridden.
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15:52<Raizm>Hey.
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15:53<retrospectacus>hello Raizm welcome to #debian
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15:53<jhutchins>gdarrin: Seriously, @ doesn't work in irc. Try tab completion, type the first few characters of a nic and hit tab.
15:53<gdarrin>jhutchins: thanks
15:53<Raizm>I set up a new debian with encryption on my laptop with the graphic installation wizard and there was a problem with installing grub. I tried it again and it worked (no error message within the wizard) but now...when I try to boot nothing happens. the bios doesnt seem to find the boot part
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15:54<Raizm>So..is it possible to use a live debian and go on the hdd and put the boot part thing back in? the boot partition shouldnt be encrypted and accessiable, right?
15:54<gdarrin>oh wow. there's a Debian Kernel Handbook
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15:58<gdarrin>Raizm: are you certain your bios is going into the correct device? And yet you have no grub?
15:58<appas>Raizm: it is. you said bios - not efi, right?
15:58<jhutchins>gdarrin: That appears to be the correct method and format. Maybe it needs to be 2 instead of 1? http://docs.slackware.com/howtos:hardware:audio_and_snd-hda-intel
15:59<jhutchins>Raizm: Yes.
15:59<jhutchins>!fixgrub
15:59<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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16:01<Raizm>gdarrin and appas: it's a business notebook I bought today (from ebay). it worked fine with windows. so unless the bios (yes, it's from 2011) is prohibiting linux stuff or encryption stuff the problem lies with the missing grub. the bios prompts me to find a another device I could boot from. It doesnt seem to find anything on the hdd
16:01<Raizm>jhutchins: thanks. Does this work as well with encrypted LVMs? I just found http://www.gibney.org/repair_grub_for_encrypted_lvms and I'm not sure what to do
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16:02<Raizm>I'm live and I can access the 250mb boot partition and it seems to be empty. I need to write the grub there I guess
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16:03<jhutchins>Raizm: I believ eit does work.
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16:07<Raizm>well..I cant mount it
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16:08<AlGix>Bonsoir
16:08<appas>Raizm: what does it say?
16:09<AlGix>J'aurais besoin d'une assistance sur Apache2 et les vhosts
16:09<Raizm>well..for once /target doesnt exist but thats not the problem. It's looking for my sda5 in /etc/fstab and doesnt find it there (of course)
16:10<ansgar>!fr
16:10<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
16:10<Raizm>I tried to mount it with the gui file explorer and it prompts my to decrypt the drive which I try but then it doesnt find childprocess cryptsetup
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16:10<Raizm>which is also why the second solution from this http://www.gibney.org/repair_grub_for_encrypted_lvms isnt working... cryptsetup is not found
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16:11<Raizm>so I guess I just need to install cryptsetup and try again...
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16:12<appas>Raizm: you need to create the mount point, /target is just an example
16:13<Raizm>uhm.. mkdir /target ?
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16:17<jhutchins>Raizm: http://www.pavelkogan.com/2014/05/23/luks-full-disk-encryption/
16:17<jhutchins>Raizm: Need to load the grub crypto modules.
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16:19<Raizm>is this a joke? how come I can have an installation with encryption but the basic parts of the system dont even know how to handle that out of the box
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16:22<Raizm>hmm.. I dont need an encrypted /boot. I need a /boot to begin with
16:25<appas>a separate /boot partition may be a smart move in the future
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16:26<Raizm>the boot partition is separate
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16:27<Raizm>Could somebody help me interpreting the instructions in http://www.gibney.org/repair_grub_for_encrypted_lvms for the debian 7? so far it works
16:27<gdarrin>When I do a "#cat /sys/module/snd_hda_intel/parameters/position_fix" I get "1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1". How do I interpret that?
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16:28<Raizm>when it says mount /dev/mapper/<root> /mnt/system it means /dev/mapper/ / /mnt/system or what? or is root /dev/mapper/sda5/ then ?
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16:29<bariho>hi there. I just installed jessie on an asus eeepc 1000he that ran wheezy before. It now runs loud and hot, on wheezy it didn't. It now feels extremely sluggish, while on wheezy it only felt as sluggish as you would expect for a netbook with that specs. htop shows 100% cpu usage on both cores, top offenders are systemd-journald (70%), systemd-udevd (35%) and wpa_supplicant (30%).
16:30<Brigo>Raizm, mount /dev/mapper/<root> /mnt/system i think it meat your root partition
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16:30<bariho>(not really two cores, hyper threading iirc)
16:31<Brigo>Raizm, it's veryo old -debian 6.0- in jessie, at least you can get into a chroot directly.
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16:31<Raizm>Brigo of course. but what is my root partition? the now decrypted partition which contains everything is /sda5 so how can I right that? mount /dev/mapper/sda5 or what?
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16:32<Brigo>Raizm, yes, sda5. Do you have a unencryted boot partition?
16:32<Raizm>yes. sda1 is always uncrypted.. but thats boot and not root
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16:35<Raizm>ah I guess I found it..
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16:35<Raizm>root means in this case the name of the lvm I use
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16:37<Brigo>bariho, i would blame the desktop environmet what was and are you using?
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16:38<Raizm>Now I'm stuck at mount -o bind /dev/ /mnt/system/dev/ because it doesnt seem to find it in /etc/fstab
16:38<bariho>Brigo: gnome now, xfce then. I'm currently installing xfce to check exactly that, but that might take a while.
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16:38<Brigo>bariho, of your that is the problem.
16:38<Brigo>s/of your/of course/
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16:39<Brigo>Raizm, did you have a filesystem mounted in /dev?
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16:40<Raizm>Brigo I dont know. I dont think I have. Otherwise the mounted partition would appear on the gui file manager
16:40<bariho>Brigo: is that a bug in gnome then? the system shouldn't be at 100% cpu when I'm doing nothing, even with a heavier DE than before.
16:40<Brigo>bariho, you could consider gnome as a but itself. It need a lot of resources. :)
16:41<Brigo>s/but/bug/ damn it :)
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16:43<Brigo>bariho, but if courius, you can use top from a command line. It will tell you which process are using the cpu.
16:43<valdyn>bariho: 100% cpu surely can be used by a process but gnome is not a process
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16:44<bariho>I just logged out and went to the virtual console. the screen is flooded with "[timestamp] rt2800pci 0000:01:00.0: firmware: failed to load rt2860.bin (-2)"
16:45<Brigo>bariho, that is a wifi issue, not cpu problem.
16:45<valdyn>bariho: install firmware-realtek
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16:45<Brigo>thought you will need that firmware if you want to use your wifi card.
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16:46<valdyn>Raizm: bind mount binds one directory to another, it cannot do anything useful with device nodes
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16:47<valdyn>Raizm: nevermind, that command should not trigger any fstab lookup though
16:47<Raizm>valdyn: It's part of the tutorial so it should do *something*
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16:47<valdyn>Raizm: of both directories exist, yes
16:47<valdyn>Raizm: *if* both directories exist, yes
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16:47<Brigo>it binds udev filesystem, so you can access the devices from the chroot.
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16:48<bariho>so basically the spamming of the wifi-firmware message makes systemd-journald hog the cpu
16:48<Raizm>the answer is mount: mount point /mnt/system/dev/ does not exist
16:48<valdyn>bariho: thats possible
16:49<Brigo>bariho, did you already check the top command?
16:49<bariho>Brigo: without gnome? I can't because the terminal gets flooded with above message. with gnome? yes, see my initial message.
16:49<Raizm>oh..the answer was mount: can't find /dev/ /mnt/system/dev/ in /etc/fstab but then I tried a few things and now it's the other answer
16:50<valdyn>Raizm: so the directory /mnt/system/dev does not exist, duh
16:50<Raizm>valdyn: I can still access that path with the gui file manager
16:51<valdyn>Raizm: maybe its a symlink
16:51<valdyn>Raizm: the directory does not exist.
16:51<Brigo>bariho, right, i think you have reached a strange bug. Anyway, insatalling the firmware will solve it. Easy if you have non-free repos active.
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16:52<Brigo>bariho, if the errors don't let you install the package, reboot in rescue mode.
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16:53<valdyn>bariho: you can install the package from gnome
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16:56<appas>Raizm: type lsblk, it'll show you block devices and their mount points
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16:58<jafo>I need help packaging a library. Where can I find help for that?
16:58<Brigo>jafo, #debian-mentors
16:58<jafo>Thanks.
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17:13<junkmechanic>so i tried connecting a monitor to my laptop using HDMI..at 1920x1080, the screen flikers and doesnt display colors properly
17:13<junkmechanic>if i change the resolution to 1024x768 (smaller) the display turns normal
17:13<junkmechanic>i am running an xfce session on jessie
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17:14<junkmechanic>and my graphics card is this
17:14<junkmechanic>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2a42] (rev 07)
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17:15<junkmechanic>am i doomed with this card as far as higher resolutions go...or could there be a different source to this problem..
17:17<bariho>valdyn Brigo : installing firmware-realtek and rebooting did not fix the issue. the message is still beeing flooded, cpu is still hogged by systemd-journald. dmesg is a little more verbose: http://paste.debian.net/232575
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17:18<Brigo>bariho, wrong package, you need firmware-ralink
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17:18<valdyn>bariho: sorry, the right package is firmware-ralink
17:19<valdyn>bariho: and you can figure that out yourself too: "apt-cache search firmware rt2800"
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17:20<valdyn>junkmechanic: this is a very high resolution to display through a stock vga cable - is that what you are doing?
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17:21<junkmechanic>valdyn: i am using an hdmi cable
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17:22<valdyn>junkmechanic: something wrong with the mode then , see xrandr, you might be able to chose a different mode at the same resolution
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17:22<bariho>valdyn Brigo : thank you very much, that fixed it. and thanks for the tip valdyn.
17:22<nixhitter>Is it safe to put a debian repository in a kali sources.list?
17:23<bariho>is this worth reporting a bug? if yes, against what package?
17:23<Brigo>bariho, yw
17:23<valdyn>bariho: what is the bug?
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17:23<valdyn>bariho: that your network-manager repeatedly tries to load the module? that systemd cant cope with the message flood?
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17:24<bariho>well, I don't know
17:24<valdyn>bariho: how fast was it flooding?
17:25<bariho>valdyn: if I typed something, the screen was filled again instantly. I couldn't even see what I was typing.
17:25<valdyn>bariho: was being logged into gnome a requirement to get it to flood?
17:26<bariho>valdyn: no
17:27<valdyn>bariho: ok, it may be a driver bug where that driver tries to load the firmware repeatedly or it may be a udev bug where udev tries to load the driver repeatedly or it may be a network-manager bug where it triggers udev to load the driver repeatedly
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17:28<valdyn>bariho: to create a useful bug report you need to figure out where the repetition happens
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17:30<exoplanet>hi i try to get openvpn working on a wheezy lxc container on a wheezy host. I made sure that the host has the tun module loaded. And created a tun device for the container. And i added the cgroups.allow directive. But when i start openvpn in the container it cannot open the tun device (which has 666 permissions).
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17:31<bariho>valdyn: and I have no idea how to do that. so no bug report then.
17:31<bariho>anyway, thank you again.
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17:37<exoplanet>Here the error and relevant config: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11727372/
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17:46<Brigo>exoplanet, did you have /dev/net/tun in the container?
17:47<Brigo>exoplanet, yes, i see you have it.
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17:56<kbz1>Heyo
17:57<kbz1>Anyone else suddenly having trouble with the mirror selection in their preseed?
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18:05<exoplanet>Brigo, any idea what i can do, where i have to search. BTW: i don't have a tun in /dev/net of the host, is that needed?
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18:06<Brigo>exoplanet, of course it is needed. It should be created when you load the tun module.
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18:17<exoplanet>Brigo, do i need the /dev/net/tun on the host and in the container?
18:18<Brigo>exoplanet, i think so,
18:18<exoplanet>But the creation of the tun device within the container is not permitted.
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18:32<jgbraga>helloo
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18:33<jgbraga>oi
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18:40<centrx>oi?
18:41<jprvita>hi! anyone here able to help me with finding out why the partitions in my dmraid do not show up after installation (they are detected and mount fine during install)
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18:42<exoplanet>jprvita, lsblk output?
18:43<jprvita>exoplanet: unfortunately I do not have that in the failsafe mode of the initramfs
18:43<jprvita>:(
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18:43<jprvita>although I've saved the d-i logs, maybe there is something there of help?
18:44<exoplanet>Maybe. link to a paste service.
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18:44<jprvita>ok
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18:48<jprvita>exoplanet: https://gist.github.com/jprvita/2521d625c9f252a18056
18:48<jprvita>exoplanet: it is pretty long, tho
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18:51<norfumpit>umm, so i just apt-get installed and then removed xfce. after running autoremove some packages automatically installed for xfce got left behind because they satisfy some virtual dependencies ... like the dependency of xorg on xterm | x-terminal-emulator, resulting in xfce4-terminal getting left behind, even though i already had xterm, urxvt, and gnome-terminal from before ... i suppose this is just in the design of things? bothers me a
18:51<norfumpit>lot having packages left behind like that .. ugh
18:51<exoplanet>Do you have a live cd lying around? jprvita
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18:51<jprvita>exoplanet: BTW, during the installation the partitions are found correctly. the problem is when trying to boot the system the root fs is not found, and looking into the initramfs shows the partitions are not there
18:52<jprvita>exoplanet: yes, I have the liveusb which I've used to install
18:52<jprvita>exoplanet: the same problem (partitions not showing) occurs with the rescue mode of the installation media
18:52<jprvita>after installation, of course
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18:53<nezZario>Hey guys. I'm having some insane issues with audio on Jessie. Long story short: I had audio working no issues for the longest, decided to reinstall my OS on some new SSDs I got, did that, audio worked, I screwed up some audio config files, never could get it right, reinstalled again, everything works, didn't touch any config files
18:53<exoplanet>i would test if they are working from the livecd and then look if the fstab etc. are populated correctly. jprvita
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18:54<jprvita>exoplanet: unfortunatelly the debian live does not support UEFI
18:54<exoplanet>if so chroot into the system and update the initramfs. jprvita
18:54<nezZario>Just muted the audio through the xfce audio widget, unmuted it, and audio is once again wrong. I double checked alsamixer through the cli, everything is turned up / not muted (https://i.imgur.com/J4N5vgQ.png). Double checked its not the speakers. Even rebooted. Still no audio. Literally just muted the audio, unmuted, now it's gone again.
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18:54<exoplanet>jprvita, can you get another livecd? or change the BIOS to compatibility mode temporarily so you can boot? jprvita
18:55<jprvita>exoplanet: one way I could chroot into the system was during the installation process, right before the reboot
18:55<retrospectacus>nezZario: it is a known issue with xfce & pulse
18:55<retrospectacus>nezZario: unfortunately I forget how to fix it
18:55<nezZario>retrospectacus, what's the issue? I mean, it was working before, although I may have been running testing and not jessie/stable
18:56<nezZario>I mean I don't even know what's "wrong" other than I have no audio.
18:56<jprvita>exoplanet: yes. but how should I updated the initramfs then? IOW, what is missing?
18:56<retrospectacus>nezZario: mute button mutes alsa and pulse. Unmute only unmutes alsa, pulse remains muted
18:57<retrospectacus>nezZario: install and run pavucontrol and you will see it (and you can fix it using that program)
18:57<nezZario>retrospectacus, I'll google around. Hopefully that's it. Sounds up my alley though.
18:57<nezZario>I'll try that as well until I can find a permanent solution. It must've been fixed in testing though because my previous install never had that issue
18:58<retrospectacus>nezZario: there is some thing you can do to really fix it, google should tell you
18:58<retrospectacus>same here. I am not at that computer now though
18:58<exoplanet>IOW? jprvita
18:58<nezZario>crap, secondary issue...
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18:58<jprvita>in other words
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19:00<nezZario>can anyone explain this mess skype made? http://paste.debian.net/232755/ .. Skype works fine.. I just want dpkg to leave it alone
19:00<nezZario>It's not dpkg's fault though, Skype pkgs their stuff badly screwed up
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19:01<centrx>nezZario, What's the mess, you have different versions installed than pavucontrol depends on?
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19:02<nezZario>centrx, the bit about dpkg trying to remove skype happens every time I run apt-get install -f
19:02<centrx>nezZario, Why are you running apt-get install -f ?
19:02<nezZario>because it told me to
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19:03<centrx>nezZario, right the reason it told you to is that some library versions are mismatched
19:03<centrx>nezZario, maybe different versions were installed from the skype repository, which the pavucontrol from Debian is incompatible with
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19:04<jprvita>exoplanet: so, what do you think is missing to make the devices show up correctly?
19:04<jprvita>exoplanet: or, what should I add to the initramfs?
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19:05<exoplanet>jprvita, does the fstab look okay? Also mdadm.conf and mkinitcpio.conf. jprvita
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19:06<jprvita>exoplanet: I've booted into a Fedora live, which also cannot see the partitions
19:06<nezZario>centrx, here, I went ahead and let dpkg remove skype. this is the issue -- for some reason dpkg complains that skype has dependency problems, although it works fine -- now I can't do anything until dpkg removes skype, because it claims there are issues, when in reality, there is no "real" issue -- everything works fine: http://paste.debian.net/232841/
19:07<nezZario>except that dpkg insists there are issues and wants to remove it
19:08<centrx>nezZario, The skype package declares that it requires libssl1.0.0:i386, maybe it actually works without (e.g. if not using SSL)
19:08<centrx>nezZario, What happens when you do apt-get install libssl1.0.0:i386
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19:09<nezZario>I'm not for certain what this means, I think it means other packages depend on 1.0.1k-3: http://paste.debian.net/232842/
19:09<nezZario>So I guess I need to "specify a solution"
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19:13<exoplanet>jprvita, how did you look with fedora? Which tool?
19:13<jprvita>exoplanet: no devices show under /dev/mapper
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19:14<jprvita>exoplanet: both in debian rescue (from install media) or the initramfs failsafe I have one entry representing the entire dmraid array, but no entries for the partitions
19:15<jprvita>exoplanet: in debian rescue I can 'fdisk -l' on the array device and see the partition table (GPT)
19:15<exoplanet>but not from fedora? jprvita
19:16<jprvita>exoplanet: the only moment that the partition entries have ever been created was during the installation process, both debian installation and fedora installation
19:16<jprvita>exoplanet: yes, nothing shows up under /dev/mapper under Fedora either
19:17<exoplanet> /dev/md ? jprvita
19:17<jprvita>exoplanet: so I have no way to chroot into the system, except right after reboot during the install process
19:17<jprvita>exoplanet: interesting, Fedora shows contents under /dev/md
19:18<jprvita>exoplanet: apparently the entries for the raid array and its partitions
19:18<exoplanet>What says lsblk? jprvita
19:18<exoplanet>jprvita, than scan and assemble it with mdadm.
19:18<exoplanet>*then
19:19<nezZario>retrospectacus, fwiw pavucontrol worked. pulse was indeed muted but xfce's volume manager wasn't showing it to me
19:19<jprvita>exoplanet: I will pastebin lsblk output
19:19<nezZario>actually now that I think about it, in my previous install, it showed the pulseaudio output as a separate device
19:19<nezZario>so I bet that's the end fix
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19:23<jprvita>exoplanet: lsblk: https://gist.github.com/jprvita/2410ca6d064e16acbb46
19:23<jprvita>exoplanet: how do I assemble with mdadm? I've never dealt with RAID arrays before
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19:31<jprvita>exoplanet: hey, thanks a lot for your help so far, it has at least given me some direction to investigate. I have to get AFK for the day.
19:32<exoplanet>then as a last hint: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/RAID#Assemble_the_Array jprvita
19:32<jprvita>exoplanet: great, thanks!
19:33<jprvita>exoplanet: I'll bring news when I have them
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19:33<exoplanet>bye
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19:39<gustavosm>dear friends, how to diagnose? my samba server daily stop, and I need to reset CPU! http://paste.debian.net/232855
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19:51<valdyn>!tainted
19:51<dpkg>Tainted is the state of your Linux kernel when non-free drivers (e.g. <fglrx>, <nvidia>, <slamr>, <slusb>, <wl>) or <ndiswrapper> are loaded into it. Kernel hackers and the Debian kernel team will not support tainted kernels. If /proc/sys/kernel/tainted has a non-zero value, the running kernel is tainted. http://kernel.org/pub/linux/docs/lkml/#s1-18
19:53<ryouma>the problem is when you try to upgrade from wheezy, and it turns out that jessie wants you to use a tainted kernel or your nvidia will not work
19:54<valdyn>ryouma: what?
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19:55<valdyn>ryouma: there's no nvidia involved here
19:55<valdyn>ryouma: i dont see jessie being involved either
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19:58<nezZario>uh, simple question
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19:59<nezZario>actually, nevermind heh
20:00<gustavosm>sorry but the discussion about tainted is regarding my problem?
20:02<ryouma>(oops, i meant my "product: RV610 video device [Radeon HD 2400 PRO]", not nvidia)
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20:10<gustavosm>dear friends, how to diagnose? my samba server daily stop, and I need to reset CPU! http://paste.debian.net/232855
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20:15<centrx>gustavosm, That looks like something wrong with your kernel, maybe a bad module
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20:26<appas>gustavosm: you already asked that, and the answer was that you have a tainted system
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20:26<appas>dpkg: tell gustavosm about tainted
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20:31<gustavosm>appas: thanks
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20:36<appas>np
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21:33<kbz1>d-i mirror/http/hostname string debian.mirrors.easynews.com
21:33<kbz1>d-i mirror/http/directory string linux/debian
21:34<kbz1>that's giving me errors in my preseed, anyone spot my issue?
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21:47<kbz1>solved, missing leading slash
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21:48<kbz1>gets most of the way through the installation
21:48<kbz1>errors next with 'The repository on security.debian.org couldn't be accessed, so its, updates will not be made available to you at this time. You should investigate this later.'
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22:43<skitzo>Anyone able to help me troubleshoot why going to security.debian.org on http is not working, whereas https works (if we ignore the certificate warnings for wrong domain)
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23:38<ryouma>is rmadison broken on bpo? i get html output when i do rmadison -ubpo xserver-xorg-video-ati or rmadison -udebian,bpo xserver-xorg-video-ati
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23:42<themill>ryouma: sounds like a fairly old rmadison you've got there if it permits -ubpo at all.
23:42<ryouma>themill: wheezy
23:43<ryouma>i can't upgrade to jessie
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23:43<ryouma>because of video card issue
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