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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-06-18

---Logopened Thu Jun 18 00:00:13 2015
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00:25<Oxion>hello
00:25<Oxion>im the genius
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00:48<rodrigo>esta dando o seguinte erro quando entro como root bash: /root/.bashrc: line 21: erro de sintaxe: fim prematuro do arquivo
00:50<rodrigo>como resolvo esse erro
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01:13<Psil0Cybin>Hey guys quick question what commands can i run to see if my computer is still encrypted propertly? using Debians encryption LVM, I upgraded my kernel recently and now i have a new message pop up when I booted up, mdam or something cannot find crypt...than it allows me to type my password in and opens up the partition
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01:13<Psil0Cybin>running this command i get this result, so i am confused (was using ubuntu methods) blkid | grep swap /dev/dm-2: UUID="bxxxasd24-xxxxxxx4xxx03" TYPE="swap"
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03:22<pudor>hi all! tell me please what application is may be used for writing debian iso for windows, was trying ultraiso,unetbootin,lili,rufus|rufus break down flash drive stick, need recovery now:-(
03:24<pudor>technology i talking about is usb:-)
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03:25<pudor>*i am talking* sorry for my english
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03:27<Bob_Hartge>you could try grub4dos and easy2boot
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03:45<pudor>gracios, bambino!
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04:02<CompizMAD>Is there new improvement about Compiz Fusion on Debian 8? Can anybody install it on Debian? If can, how? If cannot, why?
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04:03<appas>weren't you trying to compile it yourself, before?
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04:04<CompizMAD>appas: yes, you are right!
04:04<appas>did you get anywhere? :)
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04:06<CompizMAD>I download Compiz 0.9.1.2 sources from Ubuntu packages, but I cannot... :-) as well as after it my Debian doesn't boot... :-)
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04:35<duclicsic>wait.. compiz is still being worked on?
04:36<CompizMAD>duclicsic: I am afraid of not... :-) What a pity!
04:39<duclicsic>oh. that version you mentioned before seems to be quite recent though
04:39<duclicsic>but yeah it's a pity
04:45<CompizMAD>duclicsic: I thought that version would be good, because the Ubuntu is a kind of Debian... :-) ...I was wrong...
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04:47<CompizMAD>I was succeeded in compiling Compiz sources for a little, but It all is interrupted by dependecies.
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05:35<pudor>hi all! where can i get advice for dead usb flash stick after trying writing debian iso?
05:36<pudor>dead or live? that's question:-)
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05:41<babilen>pudor: That shouldn't happen and I am not aware of any website that discusses that particular phenomenon
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05:48<pudor>msg babilen irc resource?
05:49<pudor>sorry i am bad typewriter:-(
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05:50<pudor>so where i should go?
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05:51<pudor>out of internet?:-)
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05:53<duclicsic>pudor: what method did you use to write the ISO to it?
05:53<duclicsic>and now what symptoms do you see when you plug it in?
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05:55<pudor>duclicsic i use rufus software and now it has only drive letter and disabled for any operation on it under windows it detects like memory bar
05:56<duclicsic>will it not let you format it?
05:56<pudor>no
05:57<pudor>only drive letter:-(
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05:57<duclicsic>pudor: so you don't have a working debian system right now? just windows?
05:58<duclicsic>i doubt very much that the usb drive is dead, but i'm honestly not sure how to do much more in the way of diagnostics in windows
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06:00<pudor>duclicsic thank you very much for attention will try to investigate under debian, be later
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06:52<francisco_>Hi
06:53<francisco_>I just installed ekiga ans the answer window dont pop up. Does anyone know how to fix it?
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07:05<appas>what version do you have and are you on jessie?
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07:07<francisco_>Yes, Jessie with ekiga 4.0.1
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07:15<evenhawk>hi got an problem with compiling on my debian machine it seems that ld cannot find my xmlrpc
07:15<evenhawk>usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lxmlrpc
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07:19<aaser>does anyone know a good place to start if i want to edit a kb layout (say swap two buttons like j to æ and vice versa)
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07:19<aaser>mints kb manager only has preconfigured layouts and im unsure of what search terms to use
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07:22<TobiX>aaser: man xmodmap?
07:23<aaser>ill check it out, thanks :)
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07:25<aaser>i think that was just what i was looking for, thanks TobiX
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07:30<ralala>I can't figure out how to use it when SSH does not run on the default port
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08:02<duclicsic>pudor: lsusb
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08:15<XTF>Hi. I'm trying to upgrade a box from Wheezy to Jessie and I've hit a weird issue: /var/lib/dpkg/info/keyboard-configuration.postinst: 102: /var/lib/dpkg/info/keyboard-configuration.postinst: cannot create /etc/default/keyboard: Permission denied
08:16<XTF>A manual rm call can't do it either: rm: cannot remove ‘/etc/default/keyboard’: Operation not permitted
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08:18<pudor>duclicsic http://pastebin.com/2pL3aUJC
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08:21<duclicsic>pudor: looks like your usb drive is the first in the list, the Silicon Motion device
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08:21<petn-randall>XTF: Is your filesystem read-only?
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08:22<pudor>duclicsic->it's not this, it's transcend 8g flash drive stick
08:22<XTF>petn-randall: No, I can create a file there just fine. Other pkgs upgraded fine as well.
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08:22<duclicsic>pudor: pretty sure it is. unplug it and run lsusb again to check
08:23<duclicsic>look at the output of dmesg to see if any obvious errors are thrown up when you connect it
08:23<petn-randall>XTF: Do you get any error messages in dmesg? Just to verify, you're running the upgrade as root, right?
08:23<appas>XTF: can you post the contents of /var/lib/dpkg/info/keyboard-configuration.postinst?
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08:24<XTF>petn-randall: Nothing special in dmesg, yes, running as root.
08:25<pudor>duclicsic http://pastebin.com/fkE53yFP
08:25<petn-randall>XTF: what's the output of 'ls -l /etc/default/keyboard'?
08:25<XTF>appas: http://pastebin.com/ryRrsAS8
08:26<XTF>petn-randall: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 70 Dec 11 2014 /etc/default/keyboard
08:26<pudor>duclicsic fdisk: cannot open /dev/sdb: No medium found
08:27<duclicsic>pudor: there
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08:27<duclicsic>oops. there's a forum thread in which someone has a very similar problem with the same device. they ended up using a trascend recovery tool on the drive - http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/can-not-mount-drive-4175432442/page2.html
08:28<appas>XTF: damn... i'm having trouble with my browser. hang on, i can't read that right now
08:28<petn-randall>XTF: Can you rename the file? This looks like a very peculiar bug you're seeing.
08:28<appas>i've had trouble with postinst scripts before
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08:28<XTF>appas: It's not the postinst ;)
08:29<XTF># mv keyboard k0 mv: cannot move ‘keyboard’ to ‘k0’: Operation not permitted
08:29<petn-randall>appas: The problem is not postinst, it's that you can't rm the file as root.
08:29<petn-randall>appas: Are you running selinux or some other MAC that might be blocking that access?
08:30<XTF>Me? Don't think so but I didn't install this system.
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08:30<petn-randall>XTF: Yes, those messages were meant for you, not appas. Sorry.
08:31<petn-randall>XTF: So can you do 'mv /etc/default/keyboard /etc/default/keyboard~'?
08:31<XTF>Kernel is 3.8.13-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64-vps (it's from OVH)
08:32<XTF>mv: cannot move ‘/etc/default/keyboard’ to ‘/etc/default/keyboard~’: Operation not permitted
08:32<petn-randall>XTF: also relevant are the directory permissions on /etc/default. 'ls -l /etc/default'
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08:32<XTF>That just lists the contents of default. ;)
08:33<XTF>drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jun 18 14:27 default
08:33<petn-randall>XTF: Sorry, it should be 'ls -ld /etc/default/'
08:33<petn-randall>XTF: Looks right to me. Can you show the output of 'mount'? → http://paste.debian.net
08:34<XTF>http://paste.debian.net/237916/
08:34<petn-randall>XTF: 'df' and 'df -i' don't show 100% filled anywhere?
08:35<XTF>Nope: /dev/root 23G 7.1G 15G 33% /
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08:36<petn-randall>XTF: Then my guess is that something further up in the virtualization stack is broken. Try contacting OVH to resolve the problem.
08:37<XTF>petn-randall: It is a weird problem but that's not likely is it? I'd expect kernel errors in some logs if that was the case.
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08:38<petn-randall>XTF: If the RAID on which the VM is running on, it might not throw the errors all the way up the stack (my guess).
08:38<petn-randall>s/is running on/is running on is broken/
08:39<XTF>Perhaps, thanks for the support!
08:39<appas>petn-randall: doesn't the error say "cannot create" instead of "cannot remove"?
08:39<pudor>duclicsic i replace windows with linux but soft of transend require windows - does not know what to do?
08:39<XTF>appas: The original error might
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08:40<XTF>appas: There is a keyboard.tmp and I'm assumping dpkg is trying to move it over the original keyboard file.
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08:41<blast007>pudor: it's likely the stick has gone into some 'failure' mode, and their (Windows-only) tool will do a low level format of the flash memory to attempt to get it working again
08:41<appas>petn-randall: no man, my browser (opera presto) freezes because i have like a gazillion tabs open
08:42<pudor>blast007 thanks...
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08:43<appas>oops, i guess that message wasn't meant for me
08:43<blast007>pudor: and it's probably not something that could be done from Linux without reverse engineering their utility since it's probably going to be sending special codes to their flash controller
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08:46<duclicsic>pudor: you could try running the utility under wine, but there's no guarantee it'll work
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08:56<CompizMAD>I set 16 desktop (in 4 rows) in KDE Plasma (Debian 8.1) and I could turned the desktop cube properly... ...in turn the same settings on Debian 8.0 won't the same effect, because when I reach the fourth desktop the cube makes a rapid illogical turning ... Why?
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09:03<shadowaliraq>hi
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09:36<CompizMAD>Is there anybody who are interested in Compiz Fusion???
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09:41<Ionic>weeeeeird question: is there any way to get perl5.10 on jessie?
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09:41<centrx>Ionic, You could try compiling the source package from squeeze
09:41<centrx>!ssb
09:41<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
09:41<centrx>Like that, except forward-porting from squeeze, not back-porting from sid
09:42<duclicsic>might not be useful depending on what you're doing, but check out perlbrew
09:42<Ionic>centrx: not a good idea. that will result in a lot of pain, because it would be trying to replace /usr/bin/perl?
09:42<duclicsic>you can install multiple different versions with it iirc
09:43<Ionic>duclicsic: I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M DOING!
09:43<Ionic>duclicsic: I received a bug report from a person who said a script fails with a syntax error on his one box
09:43<centrx>Ionic, good point, that is a difficulty. How about: Just download the Perl 5.10 binary from their site, plop it into /usr/local or ~
09:43<duclicsic>Ionic: http://perlbrew.pl/
09:43<Ionic>whereas it's working fine on Ubuntu Vivid
09:43<Ionic>I suspect it's an old perl version, possibily 5.10
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09:44<Ionic>centrx: I know how to build packages, backport etc., I just don't know how well that will work for a squeeze package. additionally, I'm currently using a live system without a disk, so I'm limited to system RAM what governs "disk space"
09:44<canaima>natacha
09:44<canaima>hola
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09:45<Ionic>salam
09:45<centrx>Ionic, You could ask the bug reporter what version of Perl he has, and versions of his other libraries
09:45<canaima>hola
09:46<centrx>!es
09:46<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
09:46<Ionic>centrx: yes, but testing myself is likely faster than waiting for a response :)
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09:46<Ionic>I guess the only really sane option is to wait another hour for my backup to complete and to put my hard disk back
09:47<Ionic>then syntax check this script in a OS X 10.6 VM, where Apple ships perl5.10 by default
09:47<Ionic>I know, it's... meh.
09:47<centrx>Ionic, Perl 5.10 was released in 2007, maybe you don't need to support it ;)
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09:48<Ionic>centrx: we still support SLE 11.3...
09:48<Ionic>and EPEL/RH 5
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09:48<Ionic>so... yeah... it's gonna be fun
09:49<Ionic>also Debian squeeze, but I don't care too much about that. will carry it along until it breaks.
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09:50<Ionic>supporting it was still "a thing" when it was oldstable
09:50<Ionic>but AFAIK support has been fully dropped once jessie was released, so...
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09:53<ansgar>Ionic: No, squeeze has still some LTS support.
09:53<canaima>hello
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09:55<canaima>was
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09:58<Ionic>perlbrew looks interesting, though
09:58<Ionic>oh
09:59<Ionic>ansgar: it does? for how long?
09:59<Ionic>does this affect all releases, or only specific ones?
09:59<Ionic>(LTS in general)
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10:00<ansgar>Ionic: Until Feb 2016, but only on i386 and amd64 and some packages are excluded from support. See https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more details.
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10:02<somiaj>I would describe it more as only some packages get support. (:
10:03<Ionic>thanks
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10:03<Ionic>well, it seems to be a question of $$$, as always
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10:05<francisco_>I just installed ekiga ans the answer window dont pop up. Does anyone know how to fix it? I am running ekiga 4.0.1 on Jessie
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10:50<samkod>Hi all, I just installed Jessie and have been configuring it the last couple days. How necessary is fglrx if I want to do some lite gaming? Openarena, ioquake, etc? Maybe a few games over wine too
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10:53<lostatwork>samkod: more than likely you would need it for 3d gaming yes
10:53<lostatwork>you could always try without it first though
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10:56<samkod>Hmmm okay..is fglrx just not supported on gnome or will it be unsupported going forward?
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10:58<petn-randall>samkod: If your graphics card is "old" enough, it'll be supported by the open source drivers. They've always been a tad slower than the fglrx ones, but have a lot better support. So try it without fglrx, and if the performance is too bad, think about setting it up.
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11:02<samkod>Okay cool, if I'm already using fglrx is there a way to clean out everything related to fglrx and revert back to the mesa driver? Or will that mess things up?
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11:04<Guest2072>hi all! i want to install "clean" debian on USB Flash or SD card. "Clean" - means that i will install only thsat software that i really need. Firstly, debian himself without desktop environment. So i have a question about fast environments like Fluxbox, IceWm. Are they supported by Debian? And what confines i will have using one of it except it's ugliness? Will all programs run on it? Thank you.
11:04<petn-randall>!tell Guest2072 -about crosspost
11:04<petn-randall>samkod: If you're using the Debian packages, it should be enough to just remove them and revert any manual steps you did.
11:04<petn-randall>samkod: If you used the upstream installer, it probably permanently mangled your system. :)
11:06<samkod>I'm using the Debian packages..I made that same mistake years ago and broke things all over the place :)
11:06<samkod>Mistake of using upstream installer
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11:11<francisco_>Does anyone know a page with a Compiz how to fir Jessie?
11:11<francisco_>Gnome-shell
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11:31<fickit>Hi- looking for help fixing grub
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11:32<zumbi>fickit: what's the problem?
11:33<fickit>I'm trying to install on a Mac G5[dual 2.4ghz, 2.5gb ram, 320gb HD, ati 6600 vid] I installed 8.1 using default settings
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11:33<fickit>but after rebooting it doesnt load, just has a message stating "loading stage 2"
11:34<fickit>so i think its the boot loader that is failing, i put the dvd in and i'm using rescue mode to get a console window
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11:35<fickit>i'm currently at the shell window but i cannot figure out how to fix grub
11:35<fickit>!mac
11:35<dpkg>[mac] Media Access Control, see <mac change>; Macintosh, see <apple>, <m68k>, <macbook>, <powerpc>, <macsound>; Mandatory Access Control, see <apparmor>, <selinux>, <tomoyo>; Monkey's Audio Codec, see <ape>.
11:35<fickit>!mac <powerpc>
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11:37<zumbi>dpkg: tell fickit about powerpc
11:37<fickit>zumbi: thanks I'm very new at linux/irc
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11:38<zumbi>fickit: no worries.. sorry I cannot be more helpful this time
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11:39<zumbi>fickit: maybe https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/powerpc/index.html.en helps
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11:39<fickit>yeah.. I wish someone more knowledgable would post a guide to install 8.1 on a Mac G5 but i'll continue looking
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11:40<zumbi>fickit: also, is grub used in ppc?
11:40<zumbi>I thought some other bootloader was used there
11:40<francisco_>Can anyone help me so i can get the Java to work?
11:40<petn-randall>!ask
11:40<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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11:41<francisco_>!ask How to install java
11:42<zumbi>!java
11:42<dpkg>Java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged; for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" systems, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>, <java ipv6>, <java-package>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net.
11:42<francisco_>tx ;)
11:42<zumbi>dpkg: tell francisco_ about install java
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11:43<fickit>zumbi: i'm not sure if is using grub, I thought that was the default. Here is what is on the screen when I start the system up.
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11:44<fickit>First stage debian GNU/linux bootstrap. /n Press L for gnu/linux. /n Press C for CDrom. /n Stage 1 Boot: /n Loading second stage bootstrap..... then it flashes briefly and displays the same message
11:45<fickit>"/n = newline"
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12:09<joelkraehemann>zumbi, export JAVA_HOME in your ~/.bash_profile
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12:25<stevenm_>Lo, just installed debian on this box - installing (text mode) was fine - but booting it for the first time... just after it says 'Loading initial ramdisk...' i.e. when grub runs initrd - it just reboots for no obvious reason
12:26<stevenm_>where might be a good place to debug?
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12:27<anarcat>why doesn't unattended-upgrade do the jessie point release upgrade?
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12:27<anarcat>$ sudo env LANC=C LC_ALL=C unattended-upgrade -d | tail -1
12:27<anarcat>No packages found that can be upgraded unattended
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12:28<anarcat>sudo env LC_ALL=C apt upgrade | grep upgraded
12:28<anarcat>The following packages will be upgraded:
12:28<anarcat>180 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
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12:32<olasd>anarcat: does your unattended-upgrades config list the right "sources"?
12:32<anarcat>olasd: i am not sure
12:32<anarcat>i did dpkg-reconfigure to enable stable updates
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12:32<anarcat>that seems to have put this in Allowed-Origins: "${distro_id}:${distro_codename}-security";
12:32<anarcat>i added "${distro_id}:${distro_codename}"; to that
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13:07<vitothe>ciao
13:08<vitothe>!list
13:08<dpkg>vitothe: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-8.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso !
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13:10<vitothe>il server non funziona
13:10<vitothe>!list
13:10<dpkg>vitothe: vedi http://packages.debian.org/
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13:17<francisco_>I just installed ekiga ans the answer window dont pop up. Does anyone know how to fix it? I am running ekiga 4.0.1 on Jessie
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13:38<samkod>I noticed that in chromium (on both wheezy & Jessie) many videos fail to load. Things like YouTube work fine but videos on fb and news websites never load and say, "this requires flash player." Is there any way to fix this?
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13:41<mtn>samkod: install pepperflashplugin-nonfree
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13:43<samkod>Doesn't that download chrome binaries?
13:44<mtn>samkod: not sure, but that is the only way to get flash on chromium
13:44<samkod>Okay
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13:49<samkod>I think that grabs chrome source and builds the plugin, any concern about outdated flash plugin vulnerabilites as time goes by?
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13:59<boscaiolo>Evening all... I just burned a live cd (8.1.0-i386-standard+nonfree) in order to try to rescue my laptop whose power went off in the middle of a system upgrade :-(
14:00<boscaiolo>but I have no way to log on. I have searched the internet in vain for the root logon
14:00<boscaiolo>or even any user
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14:02<boscaiolo>Has anyone managed to log on with the 8.1 live cd?
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14:02<mtn>boscaiolo: I think the netinstall has a rescue mode which will solve your problem
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14:04<boscaiolo>ok, I can burn that instead. Still, it is odd that Debian does not say how to use the live cd. I guess it is time I got an up-to-date knoppix, though
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14:05<pudor>duclicsic, hello!
14:05<blast007>boscaiolo: the live DVD has a password of 'live', I believe. Let me see if I can figure out the username quick.
14:07<pudor>could you find again link for usb flash drive recovery? sorry i was overdrunk previous time:-)
14:07<boscaiolo>blast007: i have the cd, not the dvd
14:07<blast007>boscaiolo: well, I assume it's the same. For the live DVD with gnome, the username is 'user' and the password is 'live'
14:08<boscaiolo>blast007: I think that is one permutation I may not have tried! .. I will give it a go
14:08<pudor>blast007 you was here too, what has here?
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14:09<pudor>happends*
14:09<pudor>no logs, no memory:-(
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14:10<blast007>pudor: if it's a Transcend JetFlash USB drive, then this: http://www.transcend-info.com/Support/Software-3/
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14:10<blast007>pudor: if it's not a JetFlash, you may have to search around their support site
14:10<boscaiolo>blast007: Thanks, that worked!
14:11<blast007>boscaiolo: cool :)
14:11<pudor>blast007 thanks,bro!
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14:19<pudor>good bye!
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15:35<anarcat>anyone used autossh here?
15:35<anarcat>any proper replacement?
15:35<anarcat>seems like it shouldn't be necessary
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15:52<centrx>anarcat, get a net connection that won't drop?
15:52<centrx>anarcat, use screen instead?
15:52<anarcat>centrx: no, and no.
15:53<anarcat>centrx: 1) satellite uplink that is crap
15:53<anarcat>centrx: 2) for a reverse tunnel
15:53<centrx>autossh is in Debian, what's wrong with it?
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15:53<centrx>just seems 'unclean'?
15:53<anarcat>yeah
15:53<anarcat>and i get confused by this: http://sources.debian.net/src/autossh/1.4e-2/debian/README.Debian/#L10
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15:55<centrx>anarcat, I guess that only helps in the case where a disconnect occurs because of inactivity
15:55<anarcat>right
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17:01<canaima>HOILA
17:02<canaima>hola
17:02<canaima>porno
17:02<canaima>estupido
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17:05<lostatwork>!es
17:05<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
17:05<lostatwork>oh he left whoops
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17:29<francescop>So am I in the right place?
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17:47<urzo>#haskell
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18:20<oscarvarto>Hello! I have just installed debian jessie and I am getting a "Size mismatch" error while trying to install some packages with apt-get install
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18:24<oscarvarto>I have modified my /etc/apt/sources.list and have tried http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=122279 but I keep getting the same error
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18:38<oscarvarto>"Size mismatch" error while trying to install curl http://paste.debian.net/239383/
18:38<oscarvarto>any ideas?
18:39<centrx>oscarvarto, Try using httpredir.debian.org as your mirror
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18:39<centrx>oscarvarto, maybe that mirror is in the middle of updating, or has some other problem
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18:45<oscarvarto>centrx, I changed the mirror from us to mx (I live in Mexico, and it worked...)
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18:47<oscarvarto>centrx, thanks for your suggestion. I am following it :)
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18:59<centrx>oscarvarto, Yeah, fyi the httpredir is a mirror redirector that will use mirrors close to you and that are not in some intermediate stage
18:59<centrx>or 'down'
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19:07<anonymous>www.moin.gov.il/arab/paged/default.aspx/
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19:18<torouter>whats the default window system in jessie? gnome?
19:19<LtL>torouter: gnome
19:19<torouter>thx
19:19<LtL>np
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19:20<torouter>can I get it without systemd?
19:21<centrx>I think Gnome may require systemd, but you can use others like KDE, XFCE, LXDE, openbox (not sure if all)
19:21<LtL>torouter: yes, you can use advanced - sysvinit
19:21<torouter>thats really cool, I like init.d a lot
19:22<darudesandstorm>Hi, is iptables-persistent launched by default on Debian?
19:22<LtL>that may be true about gnome, not sure
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20:05<K-202>Can SysVinit start services parallely?
20:05<K-202>I thought it's impossible but some websites say it's possibe
20:08<Hydroxide>yes, including the debian 7 (wheezy) default setup. it's also possible to tell debian 8 (jessie) to do that
20:09<Hydroxide>well, actually not sure if it's default in wheezy, but it's definitely possible if not
20:09<Hydroxide>traditional historical sysvinit doesn't know how to do it, but debian's does
20:10<Hydroxide>https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch03.en.html <-- yes, it's the default in wheezy
20:10<Hydroxide>(section 3.1.4)
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20:11<Hydroxide>(other sections like 3.2.2 are also relevant)
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20:35<orange>Hey, I just installed from live and my wifi isn't working, I have a tower with a usb wifi adapter. not having much luck yet after playing around and googling.
20:36<orange>It would appear I'm missing the firmwear but I can't use the wifi to get it.
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20:45<dvs>orange: Do you have access to another computer?
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20:48<K-202>If we use "service" command in Debian 8, we use SysVinit or systemd?
20:49<centrx>K-202, It's in sysvinit (but it could be in systemd too I don't know)
20:49<K-202>centrx, it works too in debian8
20:50<centrx>yeah it makes sense as a general command
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20:56<dickstashe>!ops diroots kenyon xeb ghavil baumas piper Akronym myztic Overspark _4ls superusr skee sgrc_ cbaines Ir0nsh007er yrjan knocte FourDollars Sicelo Q-Master sschu kenyon thalos Yoda-BZH Cain niko_20010 hd jmlongo berto ki_2 zumbi rfreeman-w devil hendrikL olspookishmagus medicalwei hendrikL hendrikL rbino mic_e aguslr toxboi Chipzz ComradeHaz` esaym153 wcpan steffkes bluewater AntumDeluge _karl_
20:56<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: dickstashe complains about: diroots kenyon xeb ghavil baumas piper Akronym myztic Overspark _4ls superusr skee sgrc_ cbaines Ir0nsh007er yrjan knocte FourDollars Sicelo Q-Master sschu kenyon thalos Yoda-BZH Cain niko_20010 hd jmlongo berto ki_2 zumbi rfreeman-w devil hendrikL olspookishmagus ...
20:56<dickstashe>quentusrex crane Ir0nsh007er artista_frustrado tajnyman mwalling balrog xnbya srtu bolt hmarquez Tubbles
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20:57<dickstashe>!ops sidmo hmarquez adhawkins fsteinel stooj meepmeep SynrG ivanoov urzo mentor _4ls planetmaker ralph Xires nyov xnbya ckosloff cnote rfreeman-w ckosloff fchmmr FlowRiser angeff Top-top-top Cpuroast infernix neiljp mandark xiqy M0ffe rfreeman-w gomex PeterReid chimeracoder dario` tnnn rpetre CuZnDragon dpkg max chihchun sulky_ DLange Continuum torouter Wegge Q-Master wallzero knocte BenBE_
20:57<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: dickstashe complains about: sidmo hmarquez adhawkins fsteinel stooj meepmeep SynrG ivanoov urzo mentor _4ls planetmaker ralph Xires nyov xnbya ckosloff cnote rfreeman-w ckosloff fchmmr FlowRiser angeff Top-top-top Cpuroast infernix neiljp mandark xiqy M0ffe rfreeman-w gomex PeterReid chimeracoder ...
20:57<dickstashe>jmlongo w1ck3dg01h3r cybiko123 debhelper devil pde pi_ xsdg PhilGEE anyk devil hide
20:57<dickstashe>!ops Ir0nsh007er Otter zumbi jumbers somiaj K-202 akuma ruben_varnish frank___ kingsley_ [UP]Crystal funkyHat hdon tajnyman quasisane quasisane urzo Ir0nsh007er clopez kalamaja olspookishmagus Cyis|afk Arroyo1010 kblin Madars jrtc27 cornerman CoreDuo sadbox robertf gruetzkopf twem2 MrFrood fabien K-202 LocutusOfBorg kingsley_ finetundra cmn ComradeHaz` MackBoy gshereme Marillion b0tias Szeraax
20:57<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: dickstashe complains about: Ir0nsh007er Otter zumbi jumbers somiaj K-202 akuma ruben_varnish frank___ kingsley_ [UP]Crystal funkyHat hdon tajnyman quasisane quasisane urzo Ir0nsh007er clopez kalamaja olspookishmagus Cyis|afk Arroyo1010 kblin Madars jrtc27 cornerman CoreDuo sadbox robertf gruetzkopf ...
20:57<dickstashe>chimeracoder tgies urzo namix gernot fsteinel weinzwang sbadia [mrx] jamesmc bjb Nemoder_ reazem Natureshadow_ msantana Brigo Seb
20:57<dickstashe>!ops anarcat twem2 dcraig XaF Diziet gernot deltron clowninasack knocte is001_fred duclicsic DrZaius TheCthulhu kneet samb1 doomcup iron tank100 RichiH hellschreiber nkuttler shbr93 xiqy mypapit dbristow achyut Anthrax Eryn_1983_FL anyk bsc Sycamore xcolour cootcraig funnel neersighted oldlaptop_ gautier carnage bitlan_ artista_frustrado Natureshadow_ hicks Andocromn cmn norlane oldlaptop_
20:57<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: dickstashe complains about: anarcat twem2 dcraig XaF Diziet gernot deltron clowninasack knocte is001_fred duclicsic DrZaius TheCthulhu kneet samb1 doomcup iron tank100 RichiH hellschreiber nkuttler shbr93 xiqy mypapit dbristow achyut Anthrax Eryn_1983_FL anyk bsc Sycamore xcolour cootcraig funnel ...
20:57<dickstashe>oldlaptop_ kingsley_ sschu Laogeodritt melmothX_ sidmo babilen Jahkeup chrysn kini jamesmc debhelper Meistarin yano powersj CuZnDragon
20:57<dickstashe>!ops weinzwang Guest2056 anglisc Vyrus001_ diroots akuma xiqy marian Ampelbein Dhole tjader ol kutio andreschneider dselect slush rootbeer Top-top-top hendrikL arlen KindOne abrotman aboudreault cjac Infiltrator toxboi planetmaker Pixelz Bryanstein anglisc Celelibi_ gbyers rfreeman-w uNIXplumber quasisane Caesar ninkotech kbyte techiewickie koollman anyk peterS mestia magnusj snorre_ gomex
20:57<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: dickstashe complains about: weinzwang Guest2056 anglisc Vyrus001_ diroots akuma xiqy marian Ampelbein Dhole tjader ol kutio andreschneider dselect slush rootbeer Top-top-top hendrikL arlen KindOne abrotman aboudreault cjac Infiltrator toxboi planetmaker Pixelz Bryanstein anglisc Celelibi_ gbyers ...
20:57<dickstashe>Nik05 krion keithp dpkg kaliy paxmark9 Out`Of`Control faheem MJD znalo jstewart DennisTheTiger Taco kmshanah Tiff hendrikL
20:57<dickstashe>!ops bilbo bjb bjb PHeanEX paypal_ tvaz daemonkeeper lac_ MeanderingCode GoGi Guest1361 Darby rsalveti ninkotech_ NomadJim cybersphinx paw gfedel_ TonyL SynrGy graytron hellschreiber guildenstern noriss IseeFreeMarkets Muzer norlane Taco sadbox ml| Hydroxide Chex sutula hmarquez carnil___ wkf anyk sschu Szeraax Tubbles ttelford nonsch xSmurf felixsch chaos AzaToth knuty niko_20010 Myon neersighted
20:57<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: dickstashe complains about: bilbo bjb bjb PHeanEX paypal_ tvaz daemonkeeper lac_ MeanderingCode GoGi Guest1361 Darby rsalveti ninkotech_ NomadJim cybersphinx paw gfedel_ TonyL SynrGy graytron hellschreiber guildenstern noriss IseeFreeMarkets Muzer norlane Taco sadbox ml| Hydroxide Chex sutula ...
20:57<dickstashe>Nothing4You kenoby_ MrFrood [mrx] MissAntroph llandon Overspark hide M0ffe SynrGy ivanoov jafo
20:57<dickstashe>!ops krofek_ Maulkin cornerman is001_fred melmothX_ chroneos wcpan Wegge nkukard jcarlos fsteinel magnusj xayto plantigrade TheCthulhu jelly finetundra miha fabien pocock SpaceKookie sidmo OdyX faw lostson t-richards aliasd Alam_Squeeze dvs Rykun2 guto orange jmccrohan Wyzard__ l4mRh4X0r Arrowmaster Overspark Ai0 WizardGed misterhat rauppe31 roxer Muzer sschu nyuszika7h holmgren Gabriel_7 Diogo_
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20:57<dickstashe>AzaToth anyk Revi infernix Bob_Hartge TobiX Top-top-top sulky_ hide afx237 hdon llakey melmothX_ TonyL
20:57<dickstashe>!ops jimpop dcraig achyut blackcat niko_20010 TonyL powersj infernix imperia ifvoid alvarezp rmayorga drewdavis phunyguy gsimmons arand_ s00ner Tuxist Astra clopez chrysn TheCthulhu CompWizrd tuor dualbus JasonO dardevelin holmgren tkgray rmayorga sney sudnam Dweller dandersson tank100__ arrsim kini Tempesta virtualsid mvd knuty FelicianoTech quentusrex_ Fenhl cyberanger agaida ScottE aboudreault
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20:57<centrx>Hmm, an interesting trolling technique
20:57<dickstashe>fabian SynrG kbyte gbyers jmccrohan miha quentusrex_ jvw cae noahfx_ kenoby_ dpkg jprvita IseeFreeMarkets
20:57<dickstashe>!ops olsren Muzer paxmark9 Herb_Tarlek mic_e daedalux Guest1361 Tuxist IseeFreeMarkets arand_ ansgar Auroch FLD andres wick StathisA ninkotech neiljp Nik05 chaos [mrx] kalamaja nkuttler mtearle chaos DennisTheTiger carnil Zic fugit jvw cornerman sualk erent CoreDuo skule hide Hunger Jasopia_ ivanoov nadley robertf _1amzave LocutusOfBorg ruben_varnish sidmo lostson nickrw Brigo b0tias Jflesch
20:57<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: dickstashe complains about: olsren Muzer paxmark9 Herb_Tarlek mic_e daedalux Guest1361 Tuxist IseeFreeMarkets arand_ ansgar Auroch FLD andres wick StathisA ninkotech neiljp Nik05 chaos [mrx] kalamaja nkuttler mtearle chaos DennisTheTiger carnil Zic fugit jvw cornerman sualk erent CoreDuo skule hide ...
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20:57<AlexLikerock>hi Somasis
20:58<AlexLikerock>hi somiaj
20:58<AlexLikerock>o/
20:58<orange>IS that spam commen?
20:58<lac_>orange: new for me at any rate
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21:55<anarcat>wtf was that
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22:01<JohnSalinger>noob here, is it relevant to set up Fail2ban on a desktop computer?
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22:04<Arrowmaster>not really unless you are directly connected to the internet without a firewall/nat
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22:06<cyberanger>JohnSalinger: I do, esp for my laptop, plus iptables rules, it's kindof overkill, but I do it for College & Hotspot networks
22:07<cyberanger>and a desire/paranoia for strong security
22:09<JohnSalinger>cyberanger: thats interesting
22:09<JohnSalinger>cyberanger: does your iptables rules drop all incoming connections?
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22:11<cyberanger>It could, but doesn't
22:11<JohnSalinger>oh then using fail2ban is legit
22:11<cyberanger>Or at least not for the college profile (I'd have to look at the hotspot one to recall if it does)
22:12<cyberanger>For ssh, I'm keys only so they'll hammer my system, and get banned by the system anyway
22:12<JohnSalinger>dropping all incoming connections + fail2ban seems kind of useless
22:13<cyberanger>I used to have samba (school network shares at that time required it) and knew the server I needed had a static, so I allowed it only with that box
22:13<JohnSalinger>cyberanger: oh you do connect to your laptop through ssh?
22:14<cyberanger>somebody could have spoofed, but my end was one directory with write permissions, and with that and quota controls, couldn't fill my drive anyway
22:15<JohnSalinger>git you
22:15<JohnSalinger>got*
22:15<cyberanger>I have a VPN I setup linking all my systems, so I do have sshd on the laptop
22:15<cyberanger>I don't think I use it much, maybe the sftp sub-part of ssh
22:17<cyberanger>but if I ever were an idiot (so far hadn't done this) and left my laptop in one of the classrooms, I could ssh in, get the bssid of the AP and maybe take a picture with the webcam, figure out what I did
22:18<cyberanger>some areas of campus (like where the IT classrooms are) allow us to ssh in, others don't (or if my cell is how I'm ssh'ing in, it's not on their wifi) I can ssh in over the vpn
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22:19<cyberanger>tl;dr, my use case might not be normal
22:20<cyberanger>Arrowmaster: like your advice, covers 99.999%
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23:44<Jennifer779>hi i need some help installing tcl 8.6 on debian wheezy i got it gzunip how do i install it
23:45<Jennifer779>its in dir
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