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00:19<coringao>themill, http://paste.debian.net/247252/
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00:22<themill>coringao: I'm not seeing any complains there about things in /usr/games
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00:25<coringao>themill, http://paste.debian.net/247254/
00:27<coringao>themill, missed the game binary file /usr/games
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00:29<coringao>themill, archive rules - http://paste.debian.net/247255/
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00:43<Haxor>Good mording
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01:16<twb>Can someone help me remember how to use grpjquota?
01:16<twb>I've had usrjquota working elsewhere, but that was letting /etc/init.d/quota do some of the work.
01:16<twb>I'm trying to enable quotas on a temporary filesystem I've loopback-mounted, and I'm not having any joy
01:17<twb>http://sprunge.us/UADR
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01:56<twb>Found the problem
01:56<twb>I just needed to pass -g to quotaon/quotacheck
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03:03<Laibsch>I upgraded my server recently and switched the syslog daemon to rsyslog. I am now getting two lines in syslog for every event. How can I find out what is causing this?
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03:12<twb>Laibsch: what was it before?
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03:12<twb>Laibsch: are you using systemd?
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03:14<Laibsch>twb: I believe it was sysklogd. This is based on the observation that this package was still in deinstalled, but configured state. I have since purged it and restarted rsyslog but there are still two lines for every event.
03:15<Laibsch>I am a newbie to systemd. I believe I am not using it (and I'd rather NOT use it). I have not restarted the server since the wheezy to jessie update and the update is still not yet completely finished (I update packages in batches to observe breakage and intervene as necessary)
03:15<Laibsch>I do not want to restart the server since I am now no longer in close physical proximity.
03:16<twb>is syslogd still running?
03:16<twb>That would be one obvious cause
03:16<twb>I would also check /etc/rsyslog* to see if the same file is listed more than once
03:17<Laibsch>twb: http://paste.debian.net/247800/
03:17<Laibsch>OK, I will check the things you mentioned
03:18<Laibsch>There is only one syslog-related process running, rsyslogd
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03:21<salad>could I get some help with getting wine going on deb8/jessie on a 64b machine?
03:21<salad>every exe I try to run gives me "Bad EXE format"
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03:26<Laibsch>salad: have you checked the BTS?
03:26<salad>what's a bts?
03:26<salad>wait - seems to be going now, one of the random google results worked lol
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03:29<Laibsch>bug tracking system
03:29<Laibsch>http://bugs.debian.org
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03:37<valdyn>salad: you need to enable multiarch and use the wine:i386 package
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03:38<valdyn>Laibsch: jessie will break if you dont reboot after upgrading to it, theres no point in not rebooting
03:38<Laibsch>twb: do you use rsyslogd as well? I have a file /etc/rsyslog.d/50-default.conf as well as /etc/rsyslog.conf and both specify events to log. Is this the same for you?
03:38<Laibsch>valdyn: how will it break?
03:39<Laibsch>it runs now and if necessary I'd rather keep it running as is
03:39<twb>Laibsch: please pastebin both
03:39<valdyn>Laibsch: by dbus being disfunctional
03:39<valdyn>Laibsch: probably other things
03:39<twb>valdyn: is that documented in the release notes?
03:39*Laibsch certainly did not see that
03:39<valdyn>twb: i dont know
03:40<valdyn>twb: its quite common that a new release does not support the ancient kernel
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03:41<valdyn>but in this case its probably a matter of restarting the correct daemons in the correct order
03:41<Laibsch>twb: /etc/rsyslog.d/50-default.conf is http://paste.debian.net/247802/ and /etc/rsyslog.conf is http://paste.debian.net/247803/
03:42<twb>Laibsch: yea that is the problem
03:42<twb>you can see the main rule body occurs in both files
03:43<twb>Each block of code that appears in 50-default should be removed from rsyslogd.conf, then restart rsyslogd
03:43<Laibsch>valdyn: there's no point in not rebooting <- well, I disagree, being 10.000 miles away from that computer and my old man would only be limited help in resuscitating it. Thus, I do not want to restart until I am home next time.
03:43<twb>I also highly recommend commenting out RSYSLOG_TraditionalFileFormat, so that you get RFC 3339 timestamps
03:43<Laibsch>twb: OK, thanks for confirming
03:44<Laibsch>I thought both files are as shipped by Debian. I'll recheck that.
03:44<twb>Laibsch: you probably should not have dist-upgraded it when you were so far from it
03:44<valdyn>Laibsch: of course, since you brought yourself into this mess you have to do the best you can now, which is not rebooting.
03:44<twb>Laibsch: both files come from debian, but I would guess at some point some rules moved into a separate file, and you answered poorly to a dpkg conffile merge question?
03:45<valdyn>it is not seperate files in jessie
03:45<Laibsch>twb: I have upgraded some essential packages while I was still at home. I am usually doing a "manual" dist-upgrade since the dist-upgrades by the tools always deinstall half the system for me. Haven't used those in years.
03:45<twb>ah I may be misremember, sorry
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03:45<valdyn>twb: i cant find that 50- file
03:45<twb>valdyn: you just mentioned it yourself: 17:41 <Laibsch> twb: /etc/rsyslog.d/50-default.conf is http://paste.debian.net/247802/ and /etc/rsyslog.conf is http://paste.debian.net/247803/
03:45*Laibsch goes dpkg -S
03:46<twb>Maybe 50-default is an ubuntuism
03:46<valdyn>that would make sense yea
03:46<valdyn>so what do we have? a ubuntu-wheezy-jessie bastard?
03:47<twb>my Ubuntu 10.04 has 50-default.conf, but dpkg -S doesn't know about it
03:47<twb>But /var/lib/dpkg/info/rsyslog.list:/usr/share/rsyslog/50-default.conf mentions it, so it's a debconf file
03:47<twb>*ucf
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03:50<Laibsch>Yeah, the machine is a mess ;-) or rather :-( And indeed it was that 50-default file. Thanks, guys. I'll tread carefully and prepare a backup plan in case everything blows up.
03:50<Laibsch>At least rsyslog is now straightened out.
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03:59<gius>apache2 not working after upgrading to jessie; I renamed my virtual servers with the .conf extension; systemctl status apache2 returns failed to start lsb: APACHE2 WEB SERVER
03:59<gius>any help will be greatly apprec'd
04:00<twb>have you checked your logs?
04:00<gius>no
04:00<gius>can you help me?
04:02<twb>checking your log is step #1
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04:12<gius>I can't understand the conten of log
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04:16<AberHatschi>gius take a look http://httpd.apache.org/docs/trunk/upgrading.html
04:16*Laibsch suggests "tail -f /var/log/apache2/error.log"
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04:23<gius>where can i put the output
04:23<gius>?
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04:29<iamrohit7>how to create a bootable usb with persistent memory from terminal?
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04:31<twb>I'm not sure about the persistent part, but you can make a bootable USB key by just writing a debian live ISO directly to it
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04:32<twb>Those have persistence features, but I don't know how they work.
04:32<twb>#debian-live should know, but they're usually asleep
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05:25<AberHatschi>gius, look at the head of the irc chanel
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05:26<AberHatschi>gius, looks like here http://pastebin.com/
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05:27<AberHatschi>gius, copy the url in here from your past
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05:46<iamrohit7>how to create a bootable usb with persistent memory from terminal?
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06:18<musca>iamrohit7: Do you refer to Debian Live? http://live.debian.net/manual/stable/html/live-manual/customizing-run-time-behaviours.en.html#529
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06:22<iamrohit7>musca: Actually, I don't want Debian to be on the usb. I want a custom distro called cs50 appliance to be installed which is based on ubuntu
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06:25<musca>iamrohit7: this irc channel supports Debian Linux.
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06:30<twb>iamrohit7: try unetbootin. That's marketed at people who don't know what they're doing :-)
06:30<iamrohit7>musca: i have Debian Linux in my system.
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06:31<iamrohit7>twb: i dont find unetbootin in my package repository. I am tracking testing. Also, I know what I'm doing.
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06:33<twb>we can help you make debian boot from a USB key. We can't help you make something else boot from a USB key.
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06:35<iamrohit7>well, can you tell me how to install the usb-creator-gtk found in ubuntu?
06:35<iamrohit7>on my debian system
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06:39<Ambacklol>hey ! azul
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07:03<Ambacklol>so how to run linux games ?
07:03<Ambacklol>I have debian jessie, and i couldn't start mania drive
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07:04<twb>Ambacklol: is that a game debian ships, or is it third-party?
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07:05<twb>http://maniadrive.en.softonic.com/ ?
07:05<twb>Oops, that just links to here: http://maniadrive.raydium.org/
07:06<Ambacklol>http://maniadrive.raydium.org/
07:06<Ambacklol>Yup
07:06<twb>Ambacklol: did you use their binary, or did you compile it
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07:06<Ambacklol>I took the compiled binaries
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07:07<twb>What says "dpkg --print-architecture"
07:07<Ambacklol>wait, i ll get the laptop
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07:09<twb>mania2.static: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.2.5, not stripped
07:09<twb>The "dynamically linked" indicates you probably need some libraries
07:09<twb>They need to be i386 libs, not amd64 libs
07:09<Ambacklol>dynamic linked libs
07:10<Ambacklol>which ones
07:10<twb>And if debian has a too new or too old version, you are stuck
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07:10<twb>Ambacklol: I don't know because I run "ldd" on it and it just says "not a dynamic executable" -- I think because I do not support i386 here
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07:10<Ambacklol>did u get mania.sh ?
07:10<twb>When you run it, do you get any errors
07:11<twb>mania_drive.sh just runs game/mania_drive.static
07:11<xubuntu>hi
07:11<Ambacklol>its loading the desktop wait
07:11<Ambacklol>hey
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07:17<Ambacklol>permission denied, why
07:18<twb>chmod +x perhaps?
07:18<Ambacklol>for executable ?
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07:20<Ambacklol>permission denied
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07:20<twb>please pastebin the exact commands you ran and their exact output
07:20<twb>e.g. paste.debian.net
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07:21<Ambacklol>I just made it executable in permission, and launched it, ./mania_drive.sh that's all
07:22<Ambacklol>ah wait
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07:23<Ambacklol>yea i made it, i needed to make mania drive static executable too
07:23<twb>yes
07:23<twb>sorry I was not clear about that
07:24<Ambacklol>clio 1 for real
07:24<Ambacklol>running at 87 fixed fps
07:25<twb>clio the goddess of libraries?
07:25<Ambacklol>Nah Renault Clio 1d
07:25<Ambacklol>Well i gotta go fishin, thanks man i'll be back later, peace everyone !
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07:54<sdfasdf>anyone here who can help me out
07:55<sdfasdf>its a sound issue
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07:56<sdfasdf>i have read the debian wiki multiple times
07:56<abrotman>need details
07:58<abrotman>sdfasdf: not to me, in the channel
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07:58<s4br3>Hi, I'm moving my Debian Sid installation a new larger SSD, but would like to reinstall all previous programs I have now. /home is on a separate partition and may be untouched. Is there a quick way to list all "toplevel" programs I have installed?
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07:59<sdfasdf>i have installed all the alsa modules aswell as restarted my system multiple times
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07:59<twb>s4br3: you mean ones that aren't marked "automatically installed" ?
07:59<abrotman>dpkg: tell s4br3 about aptitude clone
07:59<sdfasdf>i am running debian jessie
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08:00<sdfasdf>i can unmute it using audio mixer however on the taskbar its shows as if its still muted
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08:00<twb>abrotman: thanks, that's where I was going
08:00<s4br3>abrotman: Would http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/copying_debian_package_selections_new_machine be a start?
08:00<s4br3>or is it too old?
08:00<twb>s4br3: see PM from dpkg bot
08:01<s4br3>I didn't see any PM
08:01<lenz>Hello there! I have a question.
08:01<abrotman>s4br3: cycle through your windows, it's there
08:01<abrotman>dpkg: tell s4br3 about msg the bot
08:02<abrotman>sdfasdf: what DE are you using?
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08:02<s4br3>That showed up
08:02<abrotman>dpkg: tell s4br3 about aptitude clone
08:02<lenz>How do I set an environment variable in a starter (desktop)? I want to add "PULSE_LATENCY_MSEC=30 skype" to the skype starter
08:03<s4br3>but the aptitude clone still doesn't
08:03<lenz>Do I simply change the line command to "skype PULSE_LATENCY_MSEC=30 skype" or do I have to add something?
08:03<abrotman>s4br3: /msg dpkg aptitude clone
08:04<abrotman>dpkg: tell s4br3 about debian clone
08:04<s4br3>abrotman: none of the m worked
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08:05<abrotman>Not sure what you've done to your client then ...
08:05<abrotman>dpkg: aptitude clone
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08:05<dpkg>To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>.
08:05<s4br3>This one worked: pkg: tell s4br3 about aptitude clone
08:05<abrotman>s4br3: if you need more info, msg the bot about <foo> things "/msg dpkg foo"
08:06<s4br3>Sorry, this one: pkg: tell s4br3 about msg the bot
08:06<lenz>Hello there! I have a question: How do I set an environment variable in a starter (desktop)? I want to add "PULSE_LATENCY_MSEC=30 skype" to the skype starter.
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08:06<s4br3>dpkg: tell s4br3 about msg the bot
08:06<s4br3>dpkg: tell abrotman about msg the bot
08:06<PEB>lenz: your question has been read at the first time you asked it
08:06<twb>lenz: in .desktop, change Exec=skype to Exec= env PULSE_...=30 skype
08:06<PEB>you should be patient
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08:07<sdfasdf>hey guys also my youtube keeps crashing
08:07<sdfasdf>i have updated my flash player
08:08<lenz>Thanks twb. PEB I'm sorry, I just asked it once more because I remembered it isnt advised to split up a question into multiple lines.
08:08<twb>sdfasdf: what browser
08:08<lenz>I apologize though.
08:08<sdfasdf>iceweasel
08:08<PEB>lenz: don't, there is no problem :)
08:08<PEB>it was just a general piece of advice :p
08:08<sdfasdf>cant seem to find a solution
08:09<PEB>sdfasdf: only with youtube?
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08:09<twb>some of youtube works as HTML5, no use flash
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08:09<lenz>Sorry for my lack of knowledge. But where do I find .desktop? It's not in my home folder. twb
08:10<twb>lenz: /usr/share/applications/
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08:10<twb>lenz: I think you can put the edited version in ~/.config/applications or something
08:10<twb>lenz: but I am lazy so I just edit it in-place
08:10<sdfasdf>twb: twitch works fine
08:10<lenz>Thanks twb. Okay, I will try.
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08:11<twb>sdfasdf: twitch is a flash program?
08:12<sdfasdf>yes it should be
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08:13<lenz>twb I could have just changed the line in the starter to "env PUL...=30 skype" right?
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08:15<PEB>lenz: yeah that's possible
08:15<lenz>Okay, I still have no sound
08:15<lenz>BRB
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08:16<zhanshan>hi
08:16<zhanshan>I just happened to delete some files in nautilus using 'shift + del'
08:16<sdfasdf>lenz: i am also having sound problems
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08:16<zhanshan>they are not to be found in wastebasket
08:16<sdfasdf>lenz: is your issue for a certain application?
08:17<zhanshan>I need these files
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08:17<zhanshan>how can I get them back?
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08:18<abrotman>zhanshan: restore from backups
08:18<twb>zhanshan: shift+del deletes completely
08:18<twb>It does not use trash://
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08:20<musca>!photorec
08:20<dpkg>PhotoRec is file data recovery software (a companion program to <TestDisk>) designed to recover lost pictures, video, documents and archives from digital camera memory, hard disks and CD-ROMs. Packaged for Debian in testdisk. http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec
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08:21<lenz>Hello there. Anyone who can help me fix my sound in Skype? I tried changing the environment variable to "PULSE... =30" as the official site suggested, but no luck.
08:21<zhanshan>abrotman there is no completely deletion right?
08:22<zhanshan>you can physically destroy the harddisk that's how you delete completely I guess
08:22<zhanshan>'undelete'
08:22<musca>zhanshan: if you stop write access to that filesystem as fast as possible you might be able to recover some part of the data you lost.
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08:23<zhanshan>see http://www.cgsecurity.org/
08:24<zhanshan>musca yeah
08:24<zhanshan>you were faster
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08:25<musca>if your data is essential you will have backups, i think.
08:26<musca>So you can recover your files from your backup.
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08:29<lenz>Quick question, how do I restart Pulse Audio server via command line?
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08:34<Ir0nsh007er>pavucontrol better
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08:39<zhanshan>musca how do I protect files from being deleted easily?
08:40<zhanshan>is there a way to except files from being deleted? is that done already with 'write protection'?
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08:41<lenz>Hello there! Can someone help me fix my sound in skype? I tried both of the fixes that were suggested on the debian wiki. No luck.
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08:41<zhanshan>no that's obviously not enough
08:42<twb>zhanshan: the usual solution is to make regular backups
08:42<musca>zhanshan: you can learn to use a (distributed) version control system
08:42<twb>zhanshan: debian should already prevent you from deleting system and other users' files
08:43<musca>!vcs
08:43<dpkg>A version control system (aka revision control system, source code management) is a system for managing multiple revisions of information. See <arch>, <cvs>, <darcs>, <git>, <mercurial>, <sccs>, <subversion>.
08:44<lenz>!skype
08:44<dpkg>Skype is a proprietary cross-platform <VoIP> service and application owned by Microsoft. Debian cannot distribute the application due to its license. See http://wiki.debian.org/skype and ask me about <skype amd64> for community-contributed information. Consider using free and secure alternatives: <ekiga>, <empathy>, <jitsi>, <linphone>.
08:44<s4br3>abrotman: Thanks for the aptitude clone recommendation! gotta leave
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08:54<zhanshan>thanks!
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08:55<zhanshan>strange
08:55<zhanshan>$ 'lsblk -f' doesn't show me any FSTYPE
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08:56<zhanshan>is that because I use gpt?
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09:27<gedasgdsa>hey guys
09:27<gedasgdsa>can someone help me with a sound problem
09:27<gedasgdsa>i am running debian jessie
09:28<gedasgdsa>i have installed the recommended alsa modules
09:28<abrotman>Why did you change nicks?
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09:29<gedasgdsa>the card im using is HDA Intel PCH is this correct
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09:30<gedasgdsa>Its my first time installing a linux distro
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09:32<abrotman>I asked you which DE probably an hour ago
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09:39<Mitt>hi, I have "device not ready" in wireless networks in NM
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09:40<Mitt>ideas?
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09:42<abrotman>Does it require firmware that isn't installed?
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09:45<lenz>!skype
09:45<dpkg>Skype is a proprietary cross-platform <VoIP> service and application owned by Microsoft. Debian cannot distribute the application due to its license. See http://wiki.debian.org/skype and ask me about <skype amd64> for community-contributed information. Consider using free and secure alternatives: <ekiga>, <empathy>, <jitsi>, <linphone>.
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09:45<lenz>Hello there! Can someone help me fix my sound in skype? I tried both of the fixes that were suggested on the debian wiki. No luck.
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09:51<simp>Hi i'm looking to get MST support into my kernel, googled and it looks like the 3.17 kernel supports it. Could anyone point me to a resource explaining the build/installation process to get 3.17?
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09:59<Mitt>I have everything installed, I got some errors previously that led me to reinstall NM
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10:01<abrotman>what's in dmesg?
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10:03<Mitt>it's silent about it
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10:04<Mitt>I am guessing the problem is exactly in NM since wpa_supplicant and dhclient are working fine
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10:09<lenz>Hello there! Can someone help me fix my sound in skype? I tried both of the fixes that were suggested on the debian wiki. No luck.
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10:13<Mitt>what's wrong with the sound, lenz?
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10:34<mintgreen>in bootnig,udev complains that omt (or maybe ocm?)is busy .what could be wrong?how to fix it?
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11:34<Guest2417>Walla
11:35<Guest2417>Anyone up?
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11:36<rodrigo>someone help me with this error bash: /root/.bashrc: line 20: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `''
11:36<rodrigo>bash: /root/.bashrc: line 21: erro de sintaxe: fim prematuro do arquivo
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11:43<dvs>rodrigo: You forgot a '
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13:36<yneedhelp>hey guys
13:36<yneedhelp>im running debian jessie
13:37<yneedhelp>and cant get chromium working
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13:37<yneedhelp>ive tried many fixes from ubuntus side
13:37<towo`>"i can't" sayes nothing
13:37<towo`>and debian is not ubuntu
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13:38<joelkraehemann>yneedhelp, what package did you install?
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13:38<yneedhelp>apt-get install chromium chromium-l10n
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13:38<yneedhelp>it does not open at all
13:38<yneedhelp>thats the problem
13:39<towo`>start it from a terminal
13:39<yneedhelp>i get an error
13:39<joelkraehemann>from what repository does it come, show it to us
13:39<towo`>and the error is a secret?
13:39<yneedhelp>[1:1:0622/133926:FATAL:sandbox_linux.cc(185)] Check failed: sandbox::Credentials::MoveToNewUserNS().
13:41<yneedhelp>http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ jessie/main chromium-l10n all 43.0.2357.65-1~deb8u1
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13:42<yneedhelp>its my first time installing a distro other than ubuntu
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13:43<joelkraehemann>try `chromium --temp-profile`
13:43<yneedhelp>i get the same error
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13:48<joelkraehemann>try to install chromium from testing `wget -c http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian/pool/main/c/chromium-browser/chromium_43.0.2357.65-1_amd64.deb && dpkg -i chromium_43.0.2357.65-1_amd64.deb`
13:49<joelkraehemann>yneedhelp, on my system it works but I have unstable
13:49<SynrGy>i would not recommend it
13:49<SynrGy>mixing stable and testing is not supported.
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13:52<joelkraehemann>SynrGy, it's just one package and you don't modify /etc/apt/sources.list and if so you could have priorities.
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13:53<joelkraehemann>this helped me different times but may be there to many dependency problems.
13:53<SynrGy>i don't understand your recommendation. you ask this jessie user to install a testing version that's the exact same upstream version as the stable version ...
13:53<SynrGy>to what end?
13:53<SynrGy>so, risky recommendation, with dubious benefit.
13:54<SynrGy>unless you have concrete evidence that the risk is worth it, i would not recommend this.
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13:54<sney>stuff like chrome(ium), java, kernels, etc are self-contained enough re: dependencies that you can often get away with it, but it's still pointless unless there's a very specific reason
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13:54*SynrGy nods
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13:55<SynrGy>more useful is to look for upstream bugs describing the issue:
13:55<SynrGy>https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=472179
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13:56<SynrGy>https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=490071
13:56<joelkraehemann>SynrGy, do you have chromium up and running?
13:57<SynrGy>#472179 is interesting. it suggests "--disable-namespace-sandbox seems to do the trick"
13:57<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/472179 in driconf (closed, l10n, patch): «driconf: [INTL:it] Italian translation»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2008-03-22; last modified: 2014-02-25.
13:57<SynrGy>oops, ignore judd. that's a chromium upstream bug#
13:57<SynrGy>see the first link i gave.
13:57<SynrGy>joelkraehemann: yes. but i run sid, as I'm a DD
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13:58<SynrGy>,v chromium
13:58<judd>Package: chromium on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.9.14.1-2; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 43.0.2357.65-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 43.0.2357.65-1~deb8u1; stretch: 43.0.2357.65-1; sid: 43.0.2357.124-3
14:00<joelkraehemann>I can chroot to stable, let me recover it
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14:01<SynrGy>running an app in a chroot may not be 100% bug-compatible with running it in a stable system, talking to stable components of the desktop (dbus, etc.)
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14:04<SynrGy>for this particular issue, i doubt if many people are experiencing it, as I don't seem to see anything matching this description at http://bugs.debian.org/chromium
14:05<joelkraehemann>`wget -c http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian/pool/main/c/chromium-browser/chromium_43.0.2357.124-3_amd64.deb && dpkg -i chromium_43.0.2357.124-3_amd64.deb` works great with stable
14:05<SynrGy>in any case, yneedhelp left shortly before i looked at the problem and i only just noticed.
14:05<SynrGy>"works great" is not the same thing as supported
14:05<SynrGy>you're still asking people to do risky things with dubious benefit.
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14:07<SynrGy>also, that version is from unstable, which is also not supported.
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14:10<SynrGy>joelkraehemann: debian gives you the flexibility to shoot yourself in the foot many ways. many of the things you can do with packages may seem harmless at the start, but have certain unintended consequences. therefore, we try our best to help users here in supported and supportable ways.
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14:20<joelkraehemann>yneedhelp, do you want chromium?
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14:21<joelkraehemann>SynrGy, for sure you have to take care
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14:22<joelkraehemann>SynrGy, I just consider my experience with debian and yes you can shoot in your own foot.
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14:23<joelkraehemann>It could be as well the kernel, that makes problems
14:23<joelkraehemann>SynrGy, I have my own compiled one
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14:24<joelkraehemann>with kernel-package
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14:25<bari>hello, is this channel right place for asking question about cpufreq utils? :)
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14:26<joelkraehemann>I even use drivers from staging
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14:39<judeFruit>ta mère la chauve ! il n'y a personne sur ces foutus chan !
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15:12<zhanshan>what's the standard audio output in debian 8.0 jessie?
15:12<zhanshan>using xfce
15:13<zhanshan>I'm too confused to find out by myself
15:13<zhanshan>alsa and pulseaudio..
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15:15<atestwoot>hi, my system did not start properly, I'm in initramfs console
15:15<atestwoot>I opened the cryptsetup and LVM containers
15:15<atestwoot>how to proceed now with the boot? the boor proces had trouble opening the luks/lvm for some reason
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15:17<atestwoot>or.. in initramfs how to exactly see what he needs?
15:18<towo`>zhanshan, pulseaudio is on top of alsa
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15:18<towo`>zhanshan, and you can find out it by dpkg -l | grep pulseaudio
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15:20<zhanshan>thanks towo` !
15:20<zhanshan>yeah it's all pulseaudio on my side..
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15:35<zhanshan>According to the ?PulseAudio folks, this is how you should see your sound system: Graphic of PulseAudio based system
15:35<zhanshan>who are the pulse audio folks?
15:35<zhanshan>https://wiki.debian.org/Sound
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16:09<CompizMAD>Is there anybody who tried to compile Compiz Fusion sources on Debian 8? What was happend? :-)
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16:10<towo`>!anyone
16:10<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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16:16<CompizMAD>dpkg: What is worth being on IRC, if I mustn't be interrested in anything what I don't know? This IRS is about "Debian 8 Jessie" and my questions are in the topic.
16:16<dpkg>CompizMAD: what are you talking about?
16:17<CompizMAD>dpkg: I am talking about compiling Compiz Fusion on Debian 8...
16:17<dpkg>CompizMAD: are you smoking crack?
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16:19<mtn>heh
16:19<piper>lol
16:20<piper>CompizMAD: have you tried compiling it ?
16:20<CompizMAD>piper: yeah,
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16:21<piper>i actually thought it was dead about a decade ago
16:21<CompizMAD>dpkg: I have never been smoking a crack, and smoking either... :-)
16:21<dpkg>CompizMAD: are you smoking crack?
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16:22<CompizMAD>piper: Compiz (+Beryl) was born about a decade ago, so it shoudn't have been dead then... :-)
16:22<piper>CompizMAD: it didn't last that long though
16:23<piper>i use kde, no need for that stuff anywho
16:25<CompizMAD>piper: I am forced to do so... ...but KDE Plasma effects are far from the original Compiz... KDE is ridiculous... :-)
16:25<towo`>then use cinnamon
16:26<CompizMAD>towo: cinnamon is more less than KDE... :-) ...the cool should be MATE + Compiz (as working in Fedora)
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16:26<towo`>the nicest about compiz are the mass of bugs, actually 880 open bugs
16:26<piper>CompizMAD: thats what makes choice great especially on a modern machine ;)
16:26<towo`>realy a usefull software
16:27<towo`>and since compiz is not in debian, i would say wrong channel
16:27<piper>bingo
16:27<towo`>if you want compiz, use ubuntu
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16:29<peter1138>Did we get the compiz... fans... at the release of Wheezy too?
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16:30<CompizMAD>towo and piper: It's very interesting... ...because whenever I use(d) Compiz I haven't any problem with it... :-)
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16:31<towo`>CompizMAD, you are the center of the universe?
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16:32<CompizMAD>peter1138: I am not a Compiz fan, only... ...Compiz is the most usefull thing since operating system had been exists... :-) It was an amazing idea in 2006... :-)
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16:33<piper>2006 ---- 2015 no comment :)
16:35<CompizMAD>piper: You are wrong... ...there were better movies in the old times... ...there were better musics... no comment! :-)
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16:36<piper>2006 -- 2015 just means my grandkids are older
16:36<CompizMAD>Compiz should have been developing and improving...
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16:36<tpo>CompizMAD, maybe if you say what exactly went wrong when compiling Compiz, then maybe somebody will have an idea how you can get further.
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16:37<centrx>CompizMAD, Software requires maintenance in an ecosystem, just as old books require translation from their original languages, or old music needs to copied to new media
16:39<tpo>for those with the snide remarks: last Compiz commit was 35 days ago
16:39<CompizMAD>tpo: I tried to compile a version of Compiz (0.9.1.2) sources from Ubuntu... ...what's more... ...I was managed in compiling for a while, but there were a lot of dependencies and one of them wasn't compiled...
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16:42<tpo>I think you need to get more specific than that. Have you tried to install the Ubuntu packages from here: https://launchpad.net/compiz ?
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16:44<CompizMAD>tpo: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-004/+build/7414743
16:46<tpo>What I'd do in your place is to find out, what the dependencies of those packages there are, and if you can't install them as is, then find the packages that are closest to your Debian release, and then add the deb-src of the closest repositoty to your /etc/apt/sources.d. Then do a apt-get source compiz$FOO && apt-get build-dep compiz$FOO and pray.
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16:47<tpo>with "closest" I mean lower or equal version number for each package that compiz depends on.
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16:49<CompizMAD>tpo: Thanks for the tip.
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16:49<towo`>tpo, suggestin installing ubunt packages in debian is a bad advise
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16:54<tpo>towo` why is it a bad advice in this specific case?
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16:55<abrotman>Because they'renot made for his distro and could cause any number of problems in the future?
16:55<CompizMAD>tpo and towo: ...and what is your opinion about Wheezy Compiz packages, as if there was Compiz package on Wheezy... --> https://www.google.hu/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Compiz+Fusion+Wheezy
16:55<tpo>abrotman, how?
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16:56<abrotman>tpo: Dependency madness when it's time toinstall newer packages?
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16:57<abrotman>or dist-upgrade to the next version of Debian
16:57<tpo>CompizMAD, you can try to install them, however heed the advice from towo` and abrotman - you can get into trouble and will possibly need to resolve your dependencies by hand at some point.
16:57<Marillion>tpo: debian packages and ubuntu packages aren't compatibly and NOT supported by debian
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16:58<abrotman>or your dependency system will be completely fucked and you'll have no clue how to fix it
16:58<abrotman>compiz is essentially dead, you really shouldn't be using it anyway
16:58<tpo>abrotman, check my comment about the last Compiz commit above
16:59<abrotman>I see it
16:59<abrotman>"essentially"
16:59<Marillion>CompizMAD: if you have any trouble with them, tpo is your friend
16:59<tpo>abrotman, you will not get a totally fucked system if nothing depends on compiz. However maybe you will have to deinstall it if you will want to upgrade the distro.
16:59<CompizMAD>I can hear that Compiz is dead... ...It's rankling!
17:00<abrotman>tpo: You may depending what compiz depends on ...
17:00<abrotman>tpo: if you'd like to be someone's personal support line, feel free to msg them and give them your email and phone number ..
17:00<abrotman>Otherwise, try to avoid suggesting potentially problematic "solutions"
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17:01<tpo>abrotman, I'm not advising CompizMAD to install random packages. I'm advising him that he could try to install the compiz packages from the compiz repo.
17:01<abrotman>And I'm suggesting not ...
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17:01<abrotman>a) dead upstream b) packages created for another distro c) inexperience of person doing the actual installatoin
17:02<CompizMAD>Don't argue with each other about it... :-) I am not so stupid... :-)
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17:03<CompizMAD>I tried to compile the package mentioned above and my Debian 8 didn't boot any more... ...but I reinstall it again... :-)
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17:04<Maulkin>CompizMAD: Generally, we only reccomend installing packages that come from Debian.
17:04<tpo>I'm not sure how compiling a package could mess up your boot.
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17:05<Maulkin>Well, with compiz, then that'll potentially affect your X startup
17:06<CompizMAD>tpo: I have got a blank screen for about 1-2 minute... ...after it I get a "sad-emoticon" and a message that I should touch with the system administrator because the system doesn't manage to recover itself... :-)
17:06<abrotman>and if your system starts Xorg upon boot, you may no longer have a functional system that you know how to rescue
17:08<tpo>CompizMAD, so compiling and building the package actually succeeded and you installed the resulting package?
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17:09<CompizMAD>tpo: I was succeeded in compiling and installing packages (libraries and more, that I needed to download meantime) FOR A WHILE!
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17:10<tpo>so then you possibly allready are in the mess that abrotman mentioned
17:10<CompizMAD>tpo: but one of the libraries wasn't compiled correctly.
17:11<CompizMAD>tpo: yes
17:11<CompizMAD>tpo: this was an old library, maybe from 2004...
17:11<CompizMAD>tpo: it's a dependence...
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17:13<tpo>CompizMAD, and you prefer to have Compiz rather than a stable and working system?
17:13<CompizMAD>The one thing I don't understand that why Ubuntu, Fedora and Mageia users can use Compiz without any promlems??? :-)
17:14<tpo>because there is someone that maintains Compiz on those systems and makes sure that everything works
17:14<CompizMAD>I know until recently that Debian is the most supported Linux System! :-)
17:15<tpo>i.e. those maintainers do more or less what you are doing now, however they have probably a lot more experience with it and have spend a lot of time figuring out how to put things together and how to fix things
17:16<CompizMAD>Debian is proud of its "million" of packages... ...which are fitted on three Blu-Ray disc... :-)
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17:17<abrotman>CompizMAD: It is *dead* upstream
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17:18<CompizMAD>They killed the last usefull thing in the life! :-)
17:18<tpo>CompizMAD, Debian is people like you and me, who spend their time fixing and putting software in shape. There are no ponies in Debian making magic happen.
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17:19<Marillion>compiz is a nice toy, not more
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17:20<CompizMAD>Marillion: Everithing in the life is relative... You uses as a toy, but others (like me) love using with working, developing, and everything else because It's perfect for everything!
17:21<abrotman>Seems to be not working ...
17:22<piper>like i said earlier, thought it was dead for about a decade ;)
17:22<CompizMAD>Okay, thanks you all for tips and ideas... ...but I have to go away... Have a nice time! Bye for now...
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18:09<viccuad>Guys, what is Alioth for? for rights to the repos?
18:09<abrotman>it has many uses
18:10<abrotman>dpkg: tell viccuad about alioth
18:11<viccuad>abrotman: I'm sorry but dpkg tells me the same that it's on Alioth's page, that is Debian's Fusionforge server, but I fail to see what that means. Could you ellaborate a bit?
18:12<abrotman>(there's an IRC channel just for alioth)
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18:12<viccuad>oh
18:12<abrotman>read all of what the bot said :)
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18:13<viccuad>abrotman: aaaand thanks, I'm on track
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23:47<Ir0nsh007er>arghh arghhh
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23:48<BUITRE>vaccine
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23:52<BUITRE>remember ironside?
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