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00:00<BUITRE>whe dodo.
00:01<dupingping>The awesome software is published, You can use the trial version of Sticky Notes.
00:01<dupingping>http://korsoftware.com
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00:02<BUITRE>you think hittler is alive?
00:04<qni>If a tmpfs is mounted to /tmp does that mean shredding files is unecessary? by04h in5qf btvub fmn7j
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00:10<BUITRE>my computer is infected whit BAD BIOS, ANYBODY KNOWS IF it IS dangerous?
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00:12<BUITRE>won¡t let me install any os.
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00:19<BUITRE>i try put in shortcut and reset bios but nothing happen it still inside the firmware. how?
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00:22<zykotick9>exit
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00:24<BUITRE>ir0n?
00:26<dakka>I have debian 8.1 jessie and I cant work out where the network settings are, aside from /etc/resolv.conf which has the nameservers, but where is IP, DHCP/STATIC, default gtw etc set?
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00:26<dakka>I looked at the documentation and its extremely confusing: https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Setting_up_an_Ethernet_Interface
00:28<somiaj>dakka: depends. Debian provides ifup/ifdown scripts that use info in /etc/network/interfaces to bring up and down the devices which is what the installer will setup. But you can alternativally use various other tools to manage your network like network-manager, wicd, etc
00:30<dakka>i just want to set a static IP
00:31<dakka>/etc/network/interfaces has nothing about eth01 (which is my network card)
00:31<dakka>its just got stuff about loopback interface
00:32<somiaj>dakka: you can use it to configre it if you want only takes a few lines to configure a static ip
00:33<dakka>yea I just want to make my IP a static and use same settings for rest, so default gateway and nameservers, I know all details, i just want a file i can edit to change/set them
00:33<somiaj>man interfaces, look for 'static' and the first hit is an example. just use eth0 or eth01 or whatever your card is called.
00:33<somiaj>the interfaces file unless you wanted to use some other tool.
00:33<BUITRE>low
00:34<dakka>so if i just edit /etc/network/interfaces i can set whatever i like and the system will honour that?
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00:35<somiaj>dakka: man interfaces file to see what you need, but yes you can configure static ip's for multiple interfaces in that one file
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00:36<dakka>looking at that right now, seems to have what i wanted, just not sure if I need to set something to use that...will just edit and see how it goes...lol
00:36<dakka>thanks
00:38<BUITRE>whos better hacking , spain or indian
00:40<BUITRE>this stuff, cof....
00:41<somiaj>dakka: just add an 'auto eth0' or whatever line for each device you want brought up at boot. You can test your config by running 'ifup eth0' (or whatever device)
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00:42<dakka>fantastic thank you! Was just checking out the difference between that and the auto-hotplug
00:43<somiaj>dakka: auto-hotplug works with ifplugd if you want it to trigger on plugging the ethernet cord in or not
00:43<BUITRE>comodo av firewall works?
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00:44<dakka>ah i see!
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00:45<dakka>will restart network and see if i did it right
00:46<somiaj>dakka: I'd try ifup first and make sure they work like you want
00:46<dakka>i restarted, and i can still type in here...lol
00:47<dakka>so ifdown brings it down and ifup brings it up i assume?
00:47<somiaj>dakka: up
00:47<dakka>sudo ifdown eth0
00:47<dakka>ifdown: interface eth0 not configured
00:48<somiaj>yea bring it up first
00:48<dakka>sudo ifup eth0
00:48<dakka>RTNETLINK answers: File exists
00:48<dakka>Failed to bring up eth0.
00:48<dakka>'
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00:48<dakka>woops
00:49<dakka>those commands dont seem to work
00:50<BUITRE>letters whit some kind of strange color means some kind of virus?....thats what i can see when you guys tipe anything.
00:50<somiaj>sounds like your interface was up and so the ifup script didn't run right, do you have network manager or some other tool managing your network?
00:50<dakka>I tried to work that out and the documentation is not clear, it states 2 things need to be present to determine if its running, but i only had one
00:51<dakka>the resolv.conf files seems to have been edited by network manager
00:52<dakka>but /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf it has...
00:52<dakka>[main]
00:52<dakka>plugins=ifupdown,keyfile
00:52<dakka>[ifupdown]
00:52<dakka>managed=false
00:53<BUITRE>son programadores it?
00:53<dakka>the docu referes to nm-tool and some other nm- commands, none of those work
00:53<dakka>wow this is incredibly confusing
00:55<BUITRE>DEBIAN siempre es dificil,
00:55<somiaj>dakka: just figure out what is managing your network disable it and use the interfaces file.
00:55<dakka>I have no idea how to work that out
00:56<BUITRE>mitm.
00:56<dakka>I figured this would be easy to work out as its a default install of debian 8 jessie...lol
00:56<dakka>its less than 3-4 weeks old
00:56<dakka>The documentation doesnt match up with what I have, I must be looking at the wrong documentation or its for some other version
00:56<BUITRE>and need feed back
00:57<somiaj>dakka: and what did you install during this default? Desktops will pull in network manager.
00:57<somiaj>or wicd or someother network config tool
00:57<dakka>ah, right! sorry I am using KDE
00:57<dakka>that must be what is controlling my network
00:57<somiaj>you can disable the service for the network-manager and then just use the interfaces file
00:57<dakka>I used to have a nice little applete that did that in my old system and i disabled it somehow
00:57<BUITRE>a flavor<'
00:58<somiaj>though network manager should ignore any interface in the interfaces file if you just reboot, but systemctl stop network-manager should bring down your itnerfaces then you can check ifup eth0
00:58<dakka>ah yea...ok so now i need to work out how to disable that
00:58<somiaj>dakka: I'd check under settings and network
00:58<dakka>same error
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00:59<dakka>sudo ifup eth0
00:59<dakka>RTNETLINK answers: File exists
00:59<dakka>Failed to bring up eth0.
00:59<dakka>oh i was meant to use ifdown first wasnt i
00:59<dakka>all same errors
00:59<dakka>sudo systemctl stop network-manager (that seemed to work, no errors when i ran it)
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01:00<dakka>but sudo ifdown eth0 or sudo ifup eth0 doesnt work
01:00<somiaj>systemctl is bad at output, you may need to manually bring down your network.
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01:00<Ir0nsh007er>reboot !
01:00<somiaj>systemctl disable network-manager.service first
01:00<BUITRE>debhelper;do you know if any spanish channel arround there?
01:00<somiaj>!es
01:00<dakka>maybe i didnt specify the correct stuff in my interfacses file
01:00<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
01:01<dakka>lol i am not gonna reboot...i am against doing such a thing :P
01:01<somiaj>dakka: the error about complaing about a file that exists is something about the network being up
01:01<BUITRE>debhelper; any spanish channel here?
01:02<dakka>yet sudo ifdown eth0 doesnt work
01:02<dakka>i thought that is what brings the network down?
01:02<BUITRE>woops
01:02<somiaj>dakka: that only brings it down if you used ifup to bring it up
01:03<dakka>ok so assuming network manager is controlling it, and i have stopped that running, how would i bring it down?
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01:03<dakka>i was using init.d to restart the network earlier, which I am assuming is not the way now, since we are now using systemd?
01:03<somiaj>dakka: on jessie systemd will be default
01:04<dakka>yea thats what i have
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01:05<dakka>maybe ifconfig down eth0?
01:06<dakka>thats what i used to use on squeeze i think
01:06<somiaj>ifdown --force eth0 may work
01:06<somiaj>you can use ifconfig or ip in jessie
01:08<somiaj>ifconfig is the old tool, ip is the new tool for configuring networks (core tool). ifup/down uses ip in its scripts desipte the name
01:10<appas>anybody wanna help me create a script for google browserlocation? msg me
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01:13<dakka>sudo ifdown --force eth0
01:13<dakka>RTNETLINK answers: No such process
01:13<dakka>hmm i dont see eth0 in infonfig anymore
01:13<dakka>ifconfig*
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01:14<dakka>i think that worked...i may have been talking to myself for a while, as i must have been disconnected
01:14<dakka>thanks a lot for your help somiaj!
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01:20<dakka>sorry forgot to ask, is it ok to remove Network Manager now? I will uninstall it
01:21*dakka lives on the edge and removes it anyway
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01:22<somiaj>dakka: sure, if you don't need it
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01:22<somiaj>dakka: note this may remove the kde meta package (that is fine) but it then may autoremove a good part of kde, in that case install some of the kde core metapackages
01:22<dakka>I dont like GUI's for my networks...i much prefer using a text file
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01:22<dakka>oh...umm it doesnt say it will...i dont think
01:23<somiaj>I'm just saying to watch out for it, it may work just fine
01:23<dakka>just the plasma network manager, which i think is just an applette
01:23<dakka>ah ok, cool thanks mate. Appreciate the warning...i will reboot after this to make sure its all good
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01:23<somiaj>you will want to remove the networkmanager main packages too
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01:24<dakka>i see network manager, and libnetworkmanagerqt plus a few plugins i will remove them all
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01:25<dakka>if all works to plan, brb after reboot...hehe
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03:03<yvan>SALUT
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04:03<JasonD>Hello. I'm a newer user to Debian and I have purchased a VPS Server for a software engine I need to run. However, I need to have access to the GUI and desktop as required by the software. I installed vnc4server per a Wiki article I read and successfully connected, however, even within the VNC all I can view is a grey terminal window. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
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06:18<ces>any one could give adivce how to remove old no more required install packages from system. thx
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06:19<orthogonal>sudo apt-get remove name_of_package
06:20<ces>thank you. but I mean i dont remember packages names. I'd installed some time ago and don't use it any more
06:21<ces>let's say all not in use packages
06:21<duclicsic>ces: apt-get autoremove
06:21<orthogonal>duclicsic: That doesn
06:22<orthogonal>'t work if it was a package that ces wanted at one point, but now doesn't
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06:22<duclicsic>that removes any packages that are no longer required as dependencies and weren't manually installed
06:22<orthogonal>Yep
06:22<ces>Ok ! thank you orthogonal. Apperciated. Good day :)
06:22<duclicsic>right
06:22<orthogonal>Good day :)
06:23<duclicsic>i'm not sure how you can go about removing a package you installed if you don't remember what it was
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06:23<ces>duclicsic same to you :) greetings from Poland
06:23<orthogonal>duclicsic: deborphan kind of does that
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06:24<ces> ok deborphan I dont know will check :)
06:25<JasonD>Hello. I'm a newer user to Debian and I have purchased a VPS Server for a software engine I need to run. However, I need to have access to the GUI and desktop as required by the software. I installed vnc4server per a Wiki article I read and successfully connected, however, even within the VNC all I can view is a grey terminal window. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
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06:26<duclicsic>JasonD: you're probably just getting into the most basic xwindows environment there
06:26<duclicsic>JasonD: you
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06:27<ces>jason need to dig in display manager
06:27<duclicsic>you'll need to install some sort of desktop environment like gnome or kde for example if you want a more fully featured interface when you log in
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06:28<ces>and enable something like Xdmcp first
06:28<ces>as I guess
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06:33<vrishab>Hi .. I've successfully upgraded from Debian 7 to Debian 8 a week ago. I'm trying to key map "Super" to "Control" in the Keyboard settings from Control panel. But I can find the layout option which used to be there. Any ideas ?
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06:34<JasonD>Thanks ces and duclicsic!
06:37<phochs>Hello, I have a server running Debian 8.1 with Cinnamon and GNOME installed. I want to log in to it using xrdp, but it chooses Cinnamon when connecting and it keeps crashing when I try to log in. Cinnamon prompts a message saying: "Cinnamon just crashed, running in fallback mode" and then it shows me a black screen. Could someone help me with this?
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09:16<zhanshan>hi
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09:18<zhanshan>how to repair an external harddisk hfsplus which was corrupted because of hitting reset-button after PC totally freezed while operating-
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09:19<peter1138>fsck?
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09:29<konp>zhanshan: You should better use the OS X disk utility
09:29<zhanshan>konp that's what I finally did
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09:29<zhanshan>should have thought this first!
09:30<zhanshan>thanks
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09:35<konp>zhanshan: No prob
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09:59<debijit>My network-manager not opening, gnome, jessie,, I tried command, -"network-manager-gnome". saying command not found, Its installed, I can see in synaptic..
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10:00<peter1138>nm-applet
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10:01<debijit>peter1138, thank you
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10:02<debijit>peter1138 , it showing this, "Failed to initialize D-Bus: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.".... CAn you help me
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10:35<ces>hello all. can somebody advise how to setub keyboard shotcuts for starting programs. I have multimedia keyboard without proper driver. Is there any option to onfigure it manually. looking for replay. thx
10:36<duclicsic>ces: it depends entirely on what desktop environment you're using
10:36<ces>kde4
10:36<duclicsic>some may have this feature built-in, some may require that you install something
10:36<duclicsic>ah ok. I've never used KDE
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10:38<duclicsic>ces: so, I'm not going to be much help. I suggest googling for "kde application shortcuts" or similar
10:39<ces>i was trying hardly understanding about scripts. But one more time thank you indeed :)
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11:09<Emery>Is KDE Plasma 5.x available in the repos?
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11:14<at0m|c>,v plasma-desktop
11:14<judd>Package: plasma-desktop on amd64 -- squeeze: 4:4.4.5-7+squeeze1; wheezy: 4:4.8.4-6; stretch: 4:4.11.13-2; jessie: 4:4.11.13-2; sid: 4:4.11.13-2
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11:17<Emery>sucks!
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11:22<konp>ces: You could also use xbindkeys
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11:25<konp>ces: Here is an example configuration for xbindkeys and multimedia keys https://paste.debian.net/252743/
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11:37<madmac2501>Hi, I am looking for documentation on how to modify the kernel used in the debian installer
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11:37<madmac2501>But I've only found this https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel
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11:39<Brigo>madmac2501, install the kernel source package an copy the configuration from /boot.
11:39<moises>j3ewfq
11:39<moises>fjemwfw
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11:48<jhutchins>madmac2501: What modifications do you need to make?
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13:16<damjan>is Debian on AWS on-topic here, or is there a better channel?
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13:20<damjan>I'm using the debian-jessie-amd64-hvm-2015-06-07-12-27-ebs - ami-116d857a and I'm hit by a 30 second delay on boot ... https://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2014/09/msg00233.html
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13:21<damjan>is this something that Debian needs to fix, or whoever made the AMI, or Amazon can do something about it (which is not updating the xen host - since I don't think they would do that)
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14:42<vasich>Really not for the mailing lists. Thx for the OS, for my strong friend. I'll try to do my best to help the project. Don't know what it could be.
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14:43<vasich>Eternity for all of you)
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15:09<perplexeduser>hi there! :)
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15:11<perplexeduser>After a while of working fine, I added in fstab a mounting point for an external USB HDD. Now I can't get Debian Wheezy to mount all other fs (declared in fstab too) at boot. They're local and unecrypted. Have tried with(out) using UUID and… simply won't mount. Any random ideas why that could be?
15:12<perplexeduser>manual 'mount -a' works ok, no evident error msg in 'dmesg' and 'fsck' runs ok too
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15:13<zlatan>out of curiosity - why did you add mount point for external USB HDD?
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15:14<perplexeduser>its needed to record some cctv files
15:14<perplexeduser>(so they're big and will clutter system hdd)
15:15<perplexeduser>would*
15:15<KOKY>any admin here?
15:15<jmlongo>perplexeduser: ... is the HDD NTFS formatted?
15:15<perplexeduser>no, ext4
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15:16<perplexeduser>(tried also auto mounting via autofs but didn't work… i'll deal with that later)
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15:18<perplexeduser>what worries me most is that /var is in a separate partition —which won't automount— so there are no logs before manually mounting /var and restarting rsyslogd; which is kind of non-practical
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15:18<perplexeduser>:P
15:18<zlatan>perplexeduser, have you tried installing usbmount?
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15:19<perplexeduser>zlatan: yeah, have. maybe not tried to config it hard enough :P
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15:19<zlatan>and it doesn't automount by default?
15:20<perplexeduser>trying to reinstall right now :P
15:20<mju>perplexeduser: A guess: I think the filesystems are mounted by the initramfs. Maybe this is missing some drivers/packages?
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15:31<perplexeduser>I'll deal with the usb drive later; what I'd like to is debian remount local fs at boot :/
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15:32<retrospectacus>show us the fstab (http://paste.debian.net/)
15:33<perplexeduser>http://paste.debian.net/253226/
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15:34<perplexeduser>here's blkid output: http://paste.debian.net/253231/
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15:42<zlatan>I try to remember wheezy days regarding usb automounting but can't
15:42<zlatan>I have USB HDD and it automounts (no entry needed in fstab)
15:43<zlatan>perplexeduser, what;s holding you from jessie upgrade?
15:43<zlatan>what's*
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15:51<perplexeduser>zlatan: hum… time i think. just checked the logs and / was being mounted ro… showed some errors on starting nfs's statd, etc. reinstalled nfs-common and restarted to check
15:53<perplexeduser>so now it mounted the usb hdd with the fstab entry, but no the local fs
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16:09<ansgar>!fr
16:09<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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16:40<Fuckwad>doink
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16:48<perplexeduser>upgrading to jessie… (could that help me? feels like a Windows-solution :P)
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16:48<Fuckwad>the aliens abducted my aptcache cmd! Gasp!
16:50<zlatan>perplexeduser, well not as windows...new features get used/introduced...for example nowdays you don't need xorg.conf for working open source drivers (not in most cases really)
16:50<zlatan>also networking changed from early days and so on
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17:04<perplexeduser>its upgrading looooooooots of things
17:06<perplexeduser>(weird…asked about a mountall.sh locally modified…)
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17:07<perplexeduser>*naively hopes*
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17:08<Fuckwad>*naively scratches butcrack*
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17:11<perplexeduser>can't believe it…
17:11<perplexeduser>it worked
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17:14<perplexeduser>only thing noticed when rebooted after upgrading was a journal recovery on sda1
17:14<perplexeduser>(which it said it was clean before!)
17:15<perplexeduser>now got a looooooot of new things mounted :o
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17:15<jhutchins>perplexeduser: I would recommend installing and enabling smartmontools and keeping a close eye on the disk.
17:16<perplexeduser>jhutchins. noted, thanks
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17:17<perplexeduser>(it's a RAID 1)
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17:20<Fuckwad>apt-get install left contact lens
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17:21<perplexeduser>thanks for the help, guys!
17:21<perplexeduser>anything i can do in return?
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17:21<Fuckwad>dam didnt work dependancies of not having an arm or finger not met
17:22<Fuckwad>hahaha
17:22<Fuckwad>hehe
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17:22<Fuckwad>yes you can come to my house and clean
17:23<Fuckwad>or send 5 thousand to my account
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17:29<perplexeduser>hahahah
17:30<perplexeduser>thanks
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17:35<Fuckwad>I have to go polish my refrigerator motor collection goooooodbyeeeeee
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17:47<jose>vb oukljñ
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17:47<jose>hijnkomlp,ñ.
17:47<jose>6rct7vy8bu9nimpo,
17:47<jose>e5r6ft7y8huoimpl
17:47<jose>e5rftvhuiop,
17:47<jose> ejn ui.sz
17:47<jose>vhygtfcrdxes
17:48<jose>jugamos a pokemon
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19:22<catern>dear #debian
19:22<catern>I have LDAP set up on my server
19:22<catern>how do I also make a local user account for just this server?
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19:26<abrotman>catern: You've setup LDAP for auth so far?
19:26<catern>yes
19:27<catern>(well, to be strictly honest: I'm using Kerberos for auth. but it should be the same either way, right?)
19:27<catern>so when I try to set the password
19:27<catern>it wants to set the Kerberos password
19:27<catern>which doesn't exist because the user isn't in Kerberos
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20:37<DrivenMadz>I am trying to figure out a way to make a offline repository of wheezy so if i do a install without internet i can still use all the packages avalible. Any ideas how to do this?? i was thinking subversion maybe ?? thx :)
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20:37<scientes>How do i enter diacriticals?
20:38<scientes>I am gettig really frustrated as I can't even copy from this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diacritic
20:38<scientes>as they all have spaces
20:38<scientes>why does this have to be so difficult
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20:41<DrivenMadz>omg.. 1.268 TB to mirrow all that is debian lol
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20:42<DrivenMadz>well that is on the official repository :)
20:42<gaffa>DrivenMadz; https://www.debian.org/mirror/size
20:42<DrivenMadz>hehe yup thats what i was lookin at :) so awesome :)
20:43<gaffa>You probably don't need all the architectures ;)
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20:44<gaffa>Do you know exactly which packages you need?
20:44<DrivenMadz>hehe toally :) i was llokinga the i386, amd64,armhf,armel :)
20:45<DrivenMadz>i wanted to make a portable drive so when im installing offthe grid :)
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20:46<gaffa>I'm running apt-cacher-ng, that provides me with all the packages I've used before.
20:46<DrivenMadz>very cool !
20:47<DrivenMadz>i also need to figure out how to sync it tu update it without pulling them again.. any ideas?
20:48<DrivenMadz>i mean i wonder if it would let me rsync or something like that.
20:48<DrivenMadz>from the mirror
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21:21<canaima>YDEPOT9I
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21:44<maazu>hi, where are the kernel documents & howtos?
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21:53<ElDiabloWar3Evo>Anyone use CodeLite 8.0 ?? Cause I would have thought Jessie would have version 8.0, but instead Jessie only has version 6.1.1.
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22:02<centrx>ElDiabloWar3Evo, It was version 6.1.1 when jessie was frozen, so that was the version that was released.
22:03<centrx>ElDiabloWar3Evo, 8.0.1 is in testing and unstable
22:03<centrx>ElDiabloWar3Evo, You can try a source backport: /msg dpkg ssb
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23:29<dbrass>hi, has anyone got problem with an update yesterday? The media keys on my thinkpad stopped working yesterday. The laptop still register the keypress with "showkey --scancodes" but they have no effect on the system.
23:29<dbrass>I'm running stretch by the way
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23:38<somiaj>dbrass: you were answerd on freeenode, usually best to not cross post and just wait for a response.
23:39<dbrass>I logged off of freenode because I tough that no one was active...
23:39<dbrass>:(
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23:40<lostson>seeing as how you are running stretch #debian-next might produce a answer for you quicker
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