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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-06-25

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00:05<Greylocks>Dark_Ace, just click on the link in the email.
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00:19<BUITRE>debian spanish?
00:20<themill>!es
00:20<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
00:22<BUITRE>tanks
00:22<themill>de nada
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01:08<frlttrwrd>is there any graphical file manager with miller columns ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_columns ) in the repositories?
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02:00<catern>frlttrwrd: there's rang- oh
02:01<frlttrwrd>yes, there is ranger. and it's actually quite good, but not what I'm looking for. :)
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04:11<peter1138>$ sudo shutdown -rF now --> "Code should not be reached 'Unhandled option' at ../src/systemctl/systemctl.c:6316, function shutdown_parse_argv(). Aborting."
04:16<peter1138>Hmm.
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04:22<diego>hello
04:22<diego>I'm trying to compress the sound to make it sound louder , anyone can help ?
04:23<diego>what I want is debian to compress the dynamic range of the sound of any program
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04:23<diego>so I could make the sounds appear to be louder than they are
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04:25<diego>!
04:25<diego>:!
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04:36<peter1138>Your very own loudness wars...
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04:48<wick>compression makes sounds quieter
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05:12<peter1138>Depends if it's downward or upward compression, but generally there's a compensating amplification as part of the process.
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07:35<rafael>Hi, looking for xen-hypervisor package on debian jessie, I only found for amd64 architecture. My question is, there is no xen-hypervisor for i386?
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07:36<towo^work>because it does not make many sense?
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07:40<rafael>I only want to confirm to help a friend.
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07:59<yuhl_>Does anyone has some information of what could happen during the next leap second (in 1 week) and what should be done do avoid problems
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08:05<yuhl_>according to wikipedia, it'll happen the 30 of june https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leap_second
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08:06<Stummi>yuhl_, if you are really worried about this, set up a test system and change its time into the future some minutes before the second, let it elapse and tell us what happens ;)
08:07<themill>is there a reason you expect problems? (leap seconds are not uncommon)
08:09<yuhl_>Last time, my team, we were having mainly Solaris systems, and we had to reboot a lot of systems. And now, as we have migrated some of this server to Jessie, I'd like to know if it could break anything.
08:09<yuhl_>?
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08:12<themill>istr there were some problems with java on the last leap second but they're normally pretty uneventful
08:12<yuhl_>themill: Can you tell me that during the last leap second, you did not experienced any problem ?
08:12<yuhl_>ok.
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08:13<Stummi>wasn't there a bug in the kernel some months ago which could cause permanent high cpu usage after a leap second?
08:13<yuhl_>sounds good ?
08:13<themill>Stummi: jvm not kernel
08:13<themill>(unless there was another one too...)
08:14<Stummi>oh wait, the one I was refering to was already 3 years ago
08:14<Stummi>time flies...
08:15<the-dude>2012
08:15<themill>heh
08:15<the-dude>I beleave it is fixed in all kernels after the bug
08:15<Stummi>and there was a bug in the kernel itself causing a linuxmachine to freeze with permanent full CPU load
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08:16<the-dude>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=679882
08:16<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/679882 in src:linux (closed, upstream, pending, patch): «linux: leap second fixes missing in 3.2 and 2.6.32 longterm»; severity: important; opened: 2012-07-02; last modified: 2012-12-04.
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08:41<dtw>I like "geeqie" package (image viewer) but in Debian 8 it's too buggy. So I'd like to install/compile geeqie package in oldstable. Any advices?
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08:44<rfreeman-w>dtw, indeed
08:44<rfreeman-w>another thing that is broken in debian 8 :(
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09:10<dtw>So, I compiled the geeqie source package in oldstable. It required manually changing one build dependency but otherwise went nicely.
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09:12<SynrGy>rfreeman-w: could you please refrain from useless editorializing?
09:12<n3oXz>hi everyone, some hints to setup correctly mongoDB on Jessie ? Should I follow this guide -> http://docs.mongodb.org/manual/tutorial/install-mongodb-on-debian/ ?
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09:12<SynrGy>dtw: are there debian bugs filed on geeqie for the issues you've experienced?
09:13<centrx>n3oXz, Generally, it's better to install the Debian package for software: apt-get install mongodb
09:13<n3oXz>centrx: ok thanks, I'll just do it the Debian way
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09:16<SynrGy>dtw: btw, before doing the rebuild, can i assume a downgrade to the oldstable version (i.e. no rebuild) was tried and failed?
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09:19<dtw>SynrGy, the oldstable .deb required different version of certain library. Perhaps there is some API change in the library but I just manually changed build-dependency. May or may not break at some point.
09:20<SynrGy>rfreeman-w: the implied narrative in which debian 8 has bugs that are in some way noteworthy in number or severity compared to other releases (other distros, or what have you) is not particularly constructive. if a user is seeking help with a bug in debian, kindly refrain from that kind of comment. in this particular case, it looks like upstream has some unresolved issues in recent releases. getting bug rep
09:20<SynrGy>orts and/or patches back to them to ...
09:20<SynrGy>... help make geeqie better *would* be constructive. pissing on debian for making a release in which this package still has non-RC bugs is not.
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09:21<SynrGy>dtw: yeah
09:21<SynrGy>dtw: well, if you want to help make geeqie better, maybe talking to upstream about these issues would help ...
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09:22<SynrGy>dtw: it could be they are seeking more info, testers, or whatnot. i haven't dug very deeply
09:22<SynrGy>dtw: it does seem there are a number of ugly-looking bugs on the current versions
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09:22<dtw>True. I did browse Debian bugs and there are indeed some important ones.
09:22<SynrGy>dtw: alternatively, seek other software that performs similar functions to geeqie, if such software exists.
09:23<rfreeman-w>SynrG, tha is experience of my users. gqview is "strange" compared to debian 7's version. kmail works strangely. Even computer shutdown is strange (sometimes hangs for minutes), and many other new quirks that were not an issue in debian 7
09:23<SynrGy>rfreeman-w: so you think venting your spleen here helps?
09:24<SynrGy>either you're here to help or get help. your comment doesn't fall in either category
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09:44<imadulhaqusmani>hi
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09:44<imadulhaqusmani>hi
09:45<centrx>!hi
09:45<dpkg>hello, centrx
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10:04<mariusz_k>hello
10:04<mariusz_k>im serching for good p2p on debian to get music
10:06<centrx>mariusz_k, Try transmission-gtk for a bittorrent client
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10:08<mariusz_k>i dont want to download torrent files
10:08<mariusz_k>just single music
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10:10<petn-randall>!music
10:10<dpkg>i guess music is at http://www.napster.com, ftp://ftp.scene.org/music/, ftp://Grep.is.org/cool, http://freenetproject.org/
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10:12<mariusz_k>back :/ i mean some mp3 songs
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10:14<petn-randall>mariusz_k: If you don't want to use bittorrent, I guess you'll have to take the time machine back when napster was still a thing ... :)
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10:17<at0m|c>mariusz_k: slsk has museeqd, nicotine clients
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10:47<sHocK>Hello
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10:49<sHocK>So I've installed jessie and everything is okay until it reboots after install
10:49<sHocK>It can boot but after a while the screen goes blank and I see "VGA No Signal"
10:50<sHocK>Any idea on where to begin looking for solution? Can't find anything relevant by googling and it worked fine with wheezy
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10:57<jhutchins>sHocK: I think you need a more precise definition of "a while", and what are you doing when it blanks? It sounds like a 'screen saver'.
10:57<sHocK>Nah, it's for a home server so just the CLI there
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10:58<sHocK>I see it mentioning the hard drive and I know it can boot because I could access it via ssh before
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11:11<rfreeman-w>motion also stopped working in debian 8
11:11<rfreeman-w>motion program does generate the movie files on events detection
11:11<rfreeman-w>it worked fine in debian 7... any idea?
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11:13<rfreeman-w>*does not generate
11:14*rfreeman-w thinks 8 is the Vista of debians
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11:17<SynrGy>again, editorializing instead of focusing on the issues.
11:17<Maulkin>rfreeman-w: Works for me.
11:18<SynrGy>error messages?
11:18<rfreeman-w>SynrGy, wtf is "editorializing" anyway
11:18<rfreeman-w>Maulkin, it created the .avi with event, not just the timelaps movie?
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11:19<rfreeman-w>SynrG, there are no error message, it just does not generate the movie file in response to event. only creates frames .jpgs on event, and creates the timelapse all the time. also does not call the on_movie_end script
11:19<SynrGy>rfreeman-w: you have a tendency to stray from the facts of the support cases
11:19<SynrGy>rfreeman-w: and insert your personal opinion. it is just a distraction from solving the problem.
11:19<SynrGy>it adds *zero* value
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11:19<SynrGy>in fact, it has negative value here
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11:23<SynrGy>rfreeman-w: if you don't understand "editorializing", maybe you understand "don't bite the hand that feeds you"?
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11:23<SynrGy>if you've encountered a bug and it's not in the bug system, please file a bug report.
11:23<SynrGy>please also help provide us with sufficient information to help you solve it
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11:24<SynrGy>we are here to help. we are not here to have insults hurled at us.
11:25<at0m|c>,v linux-image
11:25<judd>No package named 'linux-image' was found in amd64.
11:25<rfreeman-w>SynrGy, well, the motion program fails to create the movies, other then "timelapse" files
11:25<rfreeman-w>btw same happens on newer ubuntu too
11:25<SynrGy>and yet debian gets blamed
11:25<at0m|c>running testing (but -next is +i atm), what's the easiest way to get a 3.19 kernel? backports? running 3.16 now.
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11:26<rfreeman-w>if upstream made motion unusable in creation of movie files of events then we should provide older version
11:26<SynrGy>rfreeman-w: so let me get this straight. there's a demonstrable problem with motion. no bug has been filed. not only debian is affected but also ubuntu. so debian is the "Vista of debians" because it hasn't fixed it?
11:26<at0m|c>< happy motion user
11:27<SynrGy>with our magical mind-reading powers our maintainers are supposed to know of and fix issues that most users of the software aren't experiencing, but you, personally, are?
11:27<SynrGy>what a load of entitled bullshit
11:27<rfreeman-w>SynrGy, 3 people have this problem too
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11:28<SynrGy>how many of those three people are debian users, and how many of them have filed bugs?
11:28<rfreeman-w>at0m, does it create the movie files for you, or just the movies of timelapse?
11:28<rfreeman-w>SynrG, 2 other debian users, and 1 ubuntu
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11:28<SynrGy>and how many of them filed bugs?
11:28<rfreeman-w>none yet
11:28<SynrGy>and how is the motion maintainer supposed to give the bug attention, then?
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11:29<at0m|c>rfreeman-w: i get .avi's for each detected motion part, and a timelapse .mpg
11:29<rfreeman-w>run a simple test on basic program function
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11:29<rfreeman-w>at0m, you run "motion" as user right?
11:29<at0m|c>as motion
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11:29<rfreeman-w>(there was also a daemon thing afair)
11:29<at0m|c>i run it as daemon 24/7
11:29<rfreeman-w>at0m, do you use config file? can you paste it
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11:30<at0m|c>hold on
11:30<rfreeman-w>at0m, but do you start it yourself by doing "motion" command from some user account, or is it running as service from /etc/init.d/ or something like that
11:30<SynrGy>rfreeman-w: so all the people who say "it works for me" are lying?
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11:31<SynrGy>rfreeman-w: it seems "basic functionality" for you is something more than "basic functionality" for the people reporting success.
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11:32<rfreeman-w>at0m, I will read log. bbl. Will need to debug this problem more
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11:32<SynrGy>upstreams can and do write untested things and then release them. my bet is on a failure to QA upstream, and then a failure of the debian maintainer to notice the issue because it doesn't show up in a "basic test" before uploading
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11:32<rfreeman-w>SynrGy, you could too run "motion" just from user account and tell me are the event avi files created on motion events (other then the timelapse movie of course)
11:32<Maulkin>rfreeman-w: Just tested in jessie, I get an avi fine.
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11:33<Maulkin>rfreeman-w: This is running as root.
11:33<rfreeman-w>Maulkin, from user account? without any configuration file written for it?
11:33<rfreeman-w>Maulkin, I never used it as root. How do you start motion in such mode?
11:34<Maulkin>"sudo motion"
11:34<rfreeman-w>Maulkin, could you try without the sudo?
11:34<SynrGy>rfreeman-w: no, i'm done. i've sufficiently lost my objectivity dealing with you to not want to continue this dicussion.
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11:34<SynrGy>rfreeman-w: i've lodged my complaint: lay off the editorializing and debian 8 bashing.
11:34<SynrGy>rfreeman-w: beyond that, i could care less
11:34*SynrGy goes to fix lunch and cool down
11:35<rfreeman-w>SynrGy, ok I will bash debian 8 properly, with bug reports
11:35<SynrGy>rfreeman-w: thank you. that's already 100% better.
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11:35<Maulkin>rfreeman-w: seems fine. You need to edit motion.conf to modify process_id_file, and target_dir
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11:36<Maulkin>As the error messages point you towards
11:36<rfreeman-w>Maulkin, and after this changes you do in fact get avi?
11:36<Maulkin>yes. Or running it as root
11:36<Maulkin>Basically - go read the man pages
11:36<rfreeman-w>changed target_dir but not the other thing
11:36<rfreeman-w>maybe this changed between deb7
11:37*rfreeman-w bbl
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11:42<at0m|c>rfreeman-w: https://pastee.org/fc54a some defaults omitted. and mind you, motion 3.2.12+git20140228 i'm on testing
11:42<at0m|c>rfreeman-w: some settings have changed, like v4l2_palette
11:42<at0m|c>and input = -1 for usb now
11:43<at0m|c>i think that's about it for changes
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11:43<at0m|c>running testing (but -next is +i atm), what's the easiest way to get a 3.19 kernel? backports? running 3.16 now.
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11:46<somiaj>at0m|c: are you sure, #debian-next seems fine to me, I don't see +i on it.
11:46<somiaj>at0m|c: you could check for old kernels on snapshot.debian.org. Note these kernels were made for sid, there hasn't been a newer kernel than 3.16 for testing yet.
11:46<SynrGy>at0m|c: wrong network?
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11:47<SynrGy>at0m|c: #debian-next is here on OFTC. it is +i on Freenode
11:47<Txil>*nod*
11:47<somiaj>Yea I thought that, but he is on oftc. (:
11:47<at0m|c>SynrGy: i'm in now
11:47<at0m|c>:?
11:47<SynrGy>so your first attempt was on Freenode?
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11:47<at0m|c>yap
11:47<SynrGy>k
11:48<at0m|c>and thanks, somiaj checking snapshot.debian.org
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11:49<somiaj>at0m|c: you could also just grab the 4.0 kernel from sid since it is probabaly very similar to the version you want, and then continue asking stretch questions in #debian-next
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11:51<at0m|c>somiaj: thanks
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12:53<josephho_>if I wanted to package the instructions on https://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation into a script, which repo would I submit it to? devscripts?
12:53<somiaj>josephho_: what do you mean by package the instructions?
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12:54<somiaj>i.e. you want to make a script that tries to automate the simple backport package as opposed to doing it by hand?
12:54<josephho_>write a script so you don't have to manually run all these steps. just have something like `dbackport jessie graphite-web`
12:55<josephho_>I'm already doing this for my coworkers, so I may as well share
12:55<somiaj>josephho_: since this can and may fail in lots of circumstances I doubt such a package would be accepted (think of all the bugs you will get when a backport fails)
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12:56<somiaj>i.e. what would your script do if yo uhave to backport a build-dep first because build-deps cannot be made and so on and so forth.
12:57<josephho_>fail and return a reasonable error message
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12:59<somiaj>josephho_: well #debian-mentors may have a better answer. I perosnally think such a script is just too prone to problems to be accepted into debian, but they may know better and be able to answer your original question
12:59<josephho_>thanks!
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13:00<josephho_>I understand that many things won't work out of the box. at the moment I'm having to backport some python things tho, so luckily roadbumps are being the exception not the rule
13:01<somiaj>with python things ushing dh_python (I think that is it) might be preferable to a backport to get the python module you need packaged.
13:02<somiaj>josephho_: note most of the script you want to add is already included in debian, the apt-get -b foo, is the major script. The other steps are just modifing your sources.list which is something that I htink should be done by hand
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13:02<somiaj>josephho_: though maybe that could be a wish-list bug for apt, make the -b flag in apt first get the build-deps
13:02<somiaj>(unsure if it does that or not)
13:03<josephho_>my entire wishlist for apt: `apt install`, `apt search`
13:03<josephho_>;-)
13:03<josephho_>those extra -get and -cache annoy me in a way that is totally irrational
13:03<jhutchins>josephho_: If nothing else you could post it to an appropriate mailing list.
13:04<somiaj>josephho_: there is a new tool (might be in testing) called apt which is exactly that. (:
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13:05<somiaj>unsure what the package is, but there is work to make apt a single command as opposed to apt-get, apt-file, apt-cache
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13:11<josephho_>somiaj: looks like it's in head at http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/apt/apt.git/tree/cmdline
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13:12<josephho_>good enough for me
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13:19<somiaj>josephho_: yea I know there has been some work on this new tool, havn't looked into it much, I will still probably type apt-get, apt-cache out of habbit
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13:24<Sensai>hi
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13:25<Sensai>ALLUHU ACKBAR
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13:26<fix>lol
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13:28<Matt0876>hola alguien habla espa;ol
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13:29<somiaj>!es
13:29<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
13:30<Matt0876>ok tank
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13:31<xx>Hola
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13:33<xx>hello
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13:34<jmlongo>Hola
13:36<Guest2874>hello
13:36<xx>Me quiero sacar el lpi
13:36<xx>me lo recomiendan?
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13:36<Guest2874>y tu cumo estas
13:37<Guest2874>Spanish????
13:37<lostatwork>!es
13:37<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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13:53<sHocK>Hello again!
13:54<sHocK>Does anyone know what's happening here? http://i.imgur.com/xSOC3et.jpg
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13:54<sHocK>The system is still usable but if I install Debian 8 I get a "VGA No Signal" and I think it might be related to this
13:54<fix>...
13:55<fix>thats a hardware issue buddy
13:55<somiaj>sHocK: did you configure a custom framebuffer, wonder if you are just using a mode not supported by your monintor
13:55<fix>something wrong with your video card, remove it, reseat it, check the cables,
13:55<somiaj>if it isn't an issue with just using a bad monintor mode the only time I ever had strange artificts (not like what I see you have) was because of a bad video card
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13:55<somiaj>and they replaced it and gave me a new one since it was a bad video card.
13:55<fix>yup
13:56<fix>thats definately a hardware issue, video related
13:56<sHocK>I don't think it's an issue with the hardware but even if it was I couldn't remove it
13:56<sHocK>It's this board: http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/motherboards/desktop-motherboards/desktop-board-d2500hn.html
13:56<fix>well thats because u dont know what\you are talking about and inexperience
13:56<fix>its a hardware issue
13:56<fix>that is all
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13:56<sHocK>Alright
13:57<sHocK>I will look into the fb stuff just to be sure
13:57<sHocK>Thanks for the info guys
13:58<blast007>sHocK: the intel GPUs do use your system RAM as well, so keep that in mind (possibly reseating your RAM)
13:58<blast007>does it have that same issue in the BIOS or the grub screen?
13:58<sHocK>Nope
13:58<somiaj>sHocK: yea it could be the framebuffer is just producing a bad video mode, but I would say hardware. Could be monintor, could be video card, or could be software, i.e. video mode being produced.
13:58<sHocK>During the install of both Debian 7 and 8 it is just fine
13:58<sHocK>BIOS is fine too
13:58<somiaj>have you tried xorg?
13:58<somiaj>it may just be something flaky with the kms or framebuffer video settings
13:59<sHocK>Not yet, I will install it and see how that does
13:59<somiaj>sHocK: do you have another monintor you can try?
13:59<sHocK>Yep, one moment.
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14:00<sHocK>It behaves the same on my other Asus monitor
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14:00<sHocK>I have an old CRT upstairs, I'm curious to see how that works out
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14:01<somiaj>most likely hardware, but you can look into console graphics settings and just turn it off if you want
14:01<makkan>somiaj: what graphics card do you have?
14:02<somiaj>makkan: depends, my work laptop just has intelHD, but my desktop I always buy nvidia
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14:02<aeb>sHocK: is that actually even inside your screen? log in and hit return until you get to the bottom and see if that's above the "corruption".
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14:04<makkan>somiaj: haha sorry had a momentary parallax issue with names/comments..
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14:04<aeb>I have a two monitor setup here and see that too. But that's just on the text console with both outputs being mirrors, and the corrupt region is outside the configured screen on the higher resolution monitor.
14:04<sHocK>aeb: It seems to only be using that portion of the screen
14:05<sHocK>Like it set a smaller resolution but didn't scale up
14:05<somiaj>aeb: are you pluged into hdmi and these monintors are deisnged to be tv's
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14:06<blast007>sHocK: that GPU in that Atom chip is the GMA 3600 and is based on the PowerVR SGX545, not on Intel's graphics core... sooo.. that may explain why it's a bit wonky
14:06<aeb>sHocK: Ok, I have the same but it's not creating problems — it just displays whatever's in the video memory instead of blanking it.
14:06<blast007>sHocK: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_GMA#PowerVR_based_chips_on_Linux
14:06<somiaj>I know on my monintor if I plug into hdmi that if I use resolutions other than the standard one like 1920x1080 or whateverx720 the resoltion only fits part of the screen
14:06<sHocK>blast007: Cheers
14:07<sHocK>aeb: Yep, it's not a problem for me either since I plan to run it headless but with Debian 8 I get nothing at all, just VGA No Signal
14:07<sHocK>It feels related
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14:07<aeb>For me it's a radeon though.
14:07<sHocK>brb, it's easier to take the PC to the old CRT monitor than vice-versa :P
14:08<aeb>sHocK: it probably isn't related. Just unblanked border video.
14:08<aeb>sHocK: and that's not really corruption, it's just video memory contents outside the screen.
14:08<blast007>sHocK: that wikipedia article mentioned that the FOSS drivers are included in kernel version 3.3 onwards, where Debian 7 has 3.2 and Debian 8 has 3.16
14:08<somiaj>sHocK: just realize your monintor does this and when running xorg if you choose to, to select resolutions your monintor likes, else you will get the video in only a portion of your moninor and stuff outside of the range will just be jibberish
14:09<makkan>sHocK: as somiaj suggested try looking into kms and framebuffer, an option might be to disable it in grub.
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14:17<sHocK>Got it
14:17<sHocK>I will do thaty
14:17<sHocK>*that
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14:50<at0m|c>somiaj: 4.0.0-2-rt-amd64 \o/
14:50<at0m|c>thanks!
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15:14<lenz>Hey there. I have translated a page from the wiki from english into German. Can someone help me submit my translation?
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15:14<lenz>Please just don't point me to .po files as I do not know how to use them.
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15:20<Sisifo>join /life
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15:21<Sisifo>join /awesome
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15:21<Sisifo>how do i join a channell ?
15:21<Sisifo>pls
15:22<Sisifo>answer me
15:22<lenz>"/join #channel"
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15:22<lenz>You're welcome.
15:22<Sisifo>ty
15:22<Sisifo>any channel for newbie like me
15:22<Sisifo>=
15:22<Sisifo>?
15:22<lenz>I don't really know my way around here either.
15:23<Sisifo>ok
15:23<Sisifo>ty for the help
15:23<Sisifo>bye
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15:30<lonelywolf>good afternoon\nights
15:30<lonelywolf>i'm tryng to install debian 8.1 to a power g5
15:31<lonelywolf>someone did this before because i'm having some troubles with that
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15:35<at0m|c>lonelywolf: just state the problem
15:38<Katy>##windows gives me a headache
15:38<Katy>wish i could use debian on my laptop
15:39<Katy>really considering taking the plunge and just doing it
15:39<Katy>why does windows have to work with touchscreens well now, and then work horribly with anything else
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15:40<lonelywolf>i'm trying to boot from my usb i check it out the ports and everything in OF and i finally boot using boot USB2/disk@2:2, \install\yaboot
15:41<lonelywolf>the system try to boot but at the end the forbidden sign appears on the screen and that is
15:42<lonelywolf>i don't know why beacause it didn't show any error messege
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15:51<jhutchins>!powerpc
15:51<dpkg>PowerPC is a <RISC> architecture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC). See "Debian for PowerPC" at http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc . Debian CDs are not (and cannot be made) bootable on Old World PowerMacs. Information on proper partitioning is at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.txt . See also <macsound>, <yaboot>, <quik>, <bootx>, <ppc64>. #debianppc on irc.oftc.net and irc.freenode.net.
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15:55<Flagcc>Upon trying to install a program i encountered the following issue:
15:55<Flagcc>blabel depends on libgd-gd2-perl (>= 2.39); however:
15:55<Flagcc>Package libgd-gd2-perl is not installed.
15:55<Flagcc>Version of libgd-gd2-perl on system, provided by libgd-perl:amd64, is .
15:55<Flagcc>However my system clearly states:
15:55-!-Flagcc was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.]
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16:01<petn-randall>Hi Flagcc, use the paste site to show us any output.
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16:08<strapon>a pravda stho android ieto minix?
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16:17<ml|>Recommendations for converting mbr to gpt. Like a guide, howto, etc..
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16:36<zhanshan>hi
16:37<zhanshan>what do I have to install to be able to play vimeo videos?
16:37<zhanshan>running debian 8 jessie xfce using iceweasel
16:37<retrospectacus>chromium
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17:00<zhanshan>hi
17:00<zhanshan>how to get jack audio output for websites? using iceweasel, chromium..
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17:04<appas>zhanshan: try the mpv player for vimeo, it's much nicer than vimeo's own player ;)
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17:09<zhanshan>appas how does this work?
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17:11<appas>it uses youtube-dl. install the youtube-dl and mpv packages
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17:15<zhanshan>appas I have
17:15<zhanshan>I got it!
17:15<zhanshan>thanks!
17:15<zhanshan>[ytdl_hook] Your version of youtube-dl is too old! You need at least version '2015.02.23.1', try running `youtube-dl -U`.
17:15<zhanshan>even if
17:16<zhanshan>too old :P
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17:19<zhanshan>appas can you somehow make it work without having to start through command line?
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17:23<appas>zhanshan: did you install youtube-dl from repos? i did, and have 2015.05.10
17:23<appas>,version youtube-dl
17:23<judd>Package: youtube-dl on amd64 -- jessie: 2014.08.05-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 2015.02.28-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 2015.06.04.1-1; sid: 2015.06.04.1-1
17:23<appas>oh
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17:24<appas>try the one from jessie-backports
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17:28<zhanshan>yes repos
17:29<retrospectacus>I use youtube-dl from the developer (just unpack it in $HOME somewhere and run the binary)
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17:29<retrospectacus>it changes frequently in response to youtube.com and the repos can't keep up
17:29<zhanshan>alright
17:30<GLolol>^ yeah, I use pip to fetch it because of that
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17:30<zhanshan>thanks retrospectacus
17:30<appas>huh... wonder why my sid doesn't see the update to 2015.06.04.1-1 :S
17:30<GLolol>did you run 'apt-get update'?
17:30<appas>yes
17:30<GLolol>maybe your mirror is out of date. idk
17:31<zhanshan>GLolol I did
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17:32<zhanshan>ftp.de.debian.org
17:32<zhanshan>should be alright?
17:32<GLolol>hmm, strange
17:33<appas>ah, i see. youtube-dl --version shows 2015.05.10, but dpkg -s gives me 2015.06.04.1-1
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17:37<zhanshan>retrospectacus did you use homebrew to download?
17:37<zhanshan>I can't find direct download
17:37<zhanshan>gotta go!
17:37<zhanshan>see ya later
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18:29<zhanshan>is installing/using the sudo command a bad idea? and advices against it?
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18:30<mtj>zhanshan: good idea :)
18:30<zhanshan>ok
18:31<zhanshan>because always using "su -c" since coming from linux mint and having changed to debian is a pain sometimes
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18:32<zhanshan>why isn't it standardly installed in debian?
18:34<maxy>zhanshan: It's standarly installed if you don't set a root password
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18:38<zhanshan>thanks maxy
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18:40<maxy>Welcome
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18:41<doesntmatter>hey. How can i output an url of firefox into a bash script?
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18:42<maxy>doesntmatter: Copy and paste?
18:43<doesntmatter>no i need to add a iptables rule to permit url to accept or deny
18:44<doesntmatter>sort of like a dynamic ip
18:44<centrx>Take a picture of the screen, print it out, scan it with optical character recognition, and e-mail it to Mechanical Turk
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18:44<doesntmatter>don't make me install a application firewall :)
18:44<maxy>centrx: And then execute the result, what could go wrong.. :)
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18:45<doesntmatter>how can i do this ?? block dynamic ips with iptables ?
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18:49<maxy>doesntmatter: iptables doesn't have the concept of dynamic ips, nor urls
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18:50<doesntmatter>i want to add a rule to block or accept ip addresses coming from various sources
18:50<doesntmatter>specially the bash
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18:52<maxy>ip addresses aren't something that come to bash
18:53<doesntmatter>i just want to use bash to make a file that reads some ips and then accepts or denies given those ips
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18:54<doesntmatter>just saw a extension to firefox that gets the url and put it on clipboard or email program
18:55<maxy>Use iptables -A INPUT -s $IP_TO_BLOCK -j REJECT
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18:56<maxy>the INPUT policy by default is accept so you don't need to add accept rules.
18:57<maxy>if you want to revert a reject rule delete it (with -D instead of -A)
18:57<doesntmatter>how do i nknow th e $IP_TO_BLOCK if i am browsing?
18:57<maxy>read the manpage of iptables to know more
18:57<doesntmatter>:)
18:57<doesntmatter>ok thanks
18:57<doesntmatter>actually my input policy is drop :)
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19:07<jhutchins>doesntmatter: What you're trying to do isn't going to work. For a firewall to work it has to allow replies from queries you originate to the internet. The replies you get can't be blocked by IP.
19:07<jhutchins>doesntmatter: What kind of content are you trying to block?
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19:10<doesntmatter>i want to be able to make what i make in zone alarm for windows. I want to be able to accept or deny a connections initiated from myself
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19:11<doesntmatter>of course i dont know what site it is. Supposing that a hacker initiates connections from my host.
19:11<jhutchins>doesntmatter: If a hacker initiates a connection from your host he already has control.
19:11<doesntmatter>hehehehe yep
19:11<doesntmatter>but i can kcik him out
19:11<doesntmatter>kick
19:11<jhutchins>doesntmatter: No, you really can't.
19:12<doesntmatter>what if i deny his ip in iptalbes?
19:12<jhutchins>doesntmatter: Linux is not Windows. Security works differently.
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19:13<doesntmatter>oh what is your advice then ?? do i need to accept all data that comes from me to destiny port 80?
19:13<jhutchins>doesntmatter: Read this: http://www.aboutdebian.com/security.htm
19:13<bluenemo>hi guys. How do I associate specific keys with commands / scripts? I just used xev / xkbmap to get some special keys for my country, but I dont get how to execute commands.
19:13<jhutchins>doesntmatter: Also this: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Security-HOWTO/
19:14<doesntmatter>ok ok thanks man
19:14<doesntmatter>let me just paste that into my browser
19:14<jhutchins>doesntmatter: I think you'll feel a lot better once you understand more.
19:14<doesntmatter>no need i can use the copy paste of mouse
19:14<doesntmatter>:)
19:14<doesntmatter>ah ok thnaks looks good :)
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21:25<BloodLines>So is this the question area or do you have another channel for that?
21:28<svetlana>yes, it is
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21:29<BloodLines>Alright, so I just began using Debian but I cant seem to find packages I have installed. (trying to setup wifi)
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21:32<LtL>BloodLines: open a terminal, type dpkg -l that will show a list of all installed packages.
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21:34<LtL>BloodLines: you can pipe that output through grep to help find things
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21:37<BloodLines>Alright, does Debian come with something preinstalled for Wifi?
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21:38<LtL>BloodLines: if the install finds your interface it will attempt to set it up, usually does.
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21:39<BloodLines>Well I looked and the only thing it has is wired no option for Wifi
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21:41<LtL>BloodLines: have you read the wiki, i have no idea what desktop you have, wifi adapter etc.
21:41<BloodLines>I have, and I tried installing the packages to find the wifi adapter, but they seem to not have installed cant find them on the menu or anything
21:43<LtL>BloodLines: does lspci show a wifi device, what is it
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21:43<BloodLines>Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8188EE Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01)
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21:44<LtL>BloodLines: firmware-realtek package oughta help
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21:46<LtL>BloodLines: that package may be in nonfree or contrib require editing /etc/apt/sources.list
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21:48<BloodLines>Alright I installed the package I am assuming I will need to log out
21:49<LtL>BloodLines: a reboot would be needed generally, then look at dmesg in a term, see if it loaded
21:50<BloodLines>Alright restarting let you know the results when I return thanks for the help, I am still very new at this.
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21:53<BloodLines>All up an running thank you very much
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21:54<LtL>BloodLines: cool, good job
21:55<BloodLines>Good job, haha it was about 2 hours of me smashing my head into google and about 5 seconds for you to tell me what to do haha.
21:55<BloodLines>But I guess we all have to be a noob at some point
21:55<LtL>BloodLines: i think we've all been there at one time or another
21:58<sney>wifi can be an extra pain sometimes
21:58<sney>that was probably the shortest RTL8188 irc walkthrough I've seen, so maybe it's getting easier
21:58<LtL>sney: indeed, that was too easy :)
21:58<BloodLines>Yeah networking seems to be my biggest weakness with computers
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22:47<maazu>good day
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22:53<BloodLines>So I have a new problem now, my wifi is still working but its very unstable and slow takes minutes. Any ideas?
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22:55<LtL>BloodLines: have you looked at dmesg for any kernel messages regarding the wifi?
22:56<BloodLines>these two kinda stand out
22:56<BloodLines>[ 21.846916] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready
22:56<BloodLines>[ 22.060037] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready
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22:57<LtL>BloodLines: is your box setup for ipv6
22:58<BloodLines>it should be, I tried disabling it earlier and it didnt seem to help
22:58<LtL>BloodLines: any authentication messages, check your network manager config
22:59<LtL>BloodLines: is your ISP ipv6? theres no need generally to disable ipv6 even with ipv4 addressing
23:00<BloodLines>I am honestly unsure
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23:00<LtL>BloodLines: what does ifconfig tell you
23:02<BloodLines>Inet6 is what I am looking for correct?
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23:02<LtL>BloodLines: how about your connection to your access point, encryption setup yet? wpa_supplicant is typically needed
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23:03<LtL>BloodLines: yeah if it has a WAN address, it should list ipv4 also
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23:03<BloodLines>I do not see any IPV4 only inet6
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23:04<LtL>BloodLines: are you facing the net or behind a router
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23:06<LtL>BloodLines: you should have ipv6 lines in /etc/hosts if not you'll have issues
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23:07<LtL>BloodLines: i hate to bail on you but i've got to go, i'm sure you find help here or on irc.freenode.net which is usually busier
23:07<LtL>good luck
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