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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-06-27

---Logopened Sat Jun 27 00:00:21 2015
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00:43<Keb>Hello?
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00:48<BearEggNute>Hello?
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02:33<Guest3062>what are you
02:33<Guest3062>ni zai
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02:43<yakub>hey
02:43<yakub>anybody?
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02:44<yakub>hello
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03:40<dragi_>how to install HP Skanjet 200 Flatbet Scanner in Debian
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04:38<jelly>dr_jkl: delay?
04:38<jelly>dr_jkl: fixed version for jessie is available on my mirror
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04:56<Man_of_Wax>hi, I've a couple VMs I use with Vmware. I've a dual boot setup and I'd like to use the VMs both from win and linux host. I tried putting them in a NTFS partition but from linux the performance are abysmal, i think because the ntfs driver runs in userspace using FUSE. So right now I'm using a FAT32 partition but I had to split the VM disks in 4<GiB chunks. I'm wondering if there is a better solution or I have to ke
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05:46<petn-randall>Man_of_Wax: Your message is truncated after "... better solution or I have to ke"
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05:56<Man_of_Wax>petn-randall: keep using the FAT partition
05:56<Man_of_Wax>:P
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06:03<ZIMAVODKA>Hello!
06:03<svetlana>hi
06:03<ZIMAVODKA>Please, help me!
06:04<ZIMAVODKA>I have problem whith external subwoofer on Asus N750JK multimedia laptop
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06:09<ZIMAVODKA>who can help to me?
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06:28<musca>dpkg: tell ZIMAVODKA about ask
06:30<ZIMAVODKA>i have a problem with external subwoofer (Asus N750JK). It is do not work, but perfectly work on windows os.
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06:58<Wo0rmer>hey guys can u help me
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06:58<Wo0rmer>o/
06:58<Wo0rmer>anyone?
06:59<Wo0rmer>മലയാളികൾ അരങ്കിലും ഉണ്ടോ ??
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07:06<Wo0rmer>im new to linux i just install debain on my lap
07:06<Wo0rmer>i need some help
07:08<appas>!ask
07:08<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
07:09<Wo0rmer>!ask
07:09<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
07:09<Wo0rmer>!ask I
07:11<Wo0rmer>!ask I m new to linux i just install debian on my laptop now i need to download HD audio and other some drivers where should i download and do that my laptop is dell
07:11<dpkg>that's too long, Wo0rmer
07:11<Wo0rmer>!ask I m new to linux i just install debian on my laptop now i need to download HD audio and other some drivers
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07:11<Wo0rmer>:(
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07:15<mahoonam>:)
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07:17<Wo0rmer>i just install debian on my lap i need some help with drivers
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07:18<Wo0rmer>where should i download them ?
07:18<Wo0rmer>?
07:19<themill>what for/
07:19<themill>?
07:19<Wo0rmer>HD audio
07:20<Wo0rmer>and grapic card
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07:24<peter1138>Why do you need to download drivers?
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08:21<sax>hi all, I have a question: how can I prevent dh_systemd from enabling services when I install a package?
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08:23<revoof>man dh_systemd_enable (--no-enable), man dh_systemd_start (--no-start)
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08:26<sax>revoof: I don't want to fork every package there is just to patch the debian/rules :)
08:26<revoof>ah, i was assuming you're packaging something
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08:29<sax>revoof: no, I am not, that would have been straight forward :)
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08:30<sax>I am currently using a "RUNLEVEL=1 apt-get install" followed by a "systemctl disable", but I was wandering if there is something simpler for this
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08:33<themill>!policy-rc.d
08:33<dpkg>[policy-rc.d] a mechanism to limit what init scripts are run by maintainer scripts. See http://people.debian.org/~hmh/invokerc.d-policyrc.d-specification.txt and <invoke-rc.d>. See http://ircbots.debian.net/scripts/policy-rc.d-forbid-dpkg for an example script that disables all daemon starts and stops during package installation -- tailoring it to your needs to only skip certain daemons would be advised.
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08:38<dragi>How to Install 200 hp Scanjet flatbed Scanner vo Debian
08:40<dragi>How to Install 200 hp Scanjet flatbed Scanner in Debian
08:41<musca>hello dragi
08:41<musca>!sane
08:41<dpkg>Scanner Access Now Easy (SANE) is an <API> for raster image <scanner> hardware. Packaged for Debian as sane, xsane (GUI frontends) and sane-utils (CLI frontend, saned server). Supported device list: http://www.sane-project.org/sane-supported-devices.html . FAQ: http://www.xs4all.nl/~ljm/SANE-faq.html . To use over a network, see http://wiki.debian.org/SaneOverNetwork . http://www.sane-project.org/ #sane at irc.freenode.net.
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08:53<nicu>?
08:53<nicu>jjj
08:53<nicu>lll
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09:03<sax>themill: same problem, update-rc.d is called for start, but not for enable, so the service will be autostarted when applicable
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09:05<themill>you could do your disable step inside that policy-rc.d according to whatever logic you think is needed
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09:08<anrafel>hola alguien habla español
09:08<appas>!es
09:08<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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09:14<sax>themill: I'll check it out, but it really smells of loops...
09:14<themill>policy-rc.d is the mechanism provided to intercept calls to start services...
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09:17<sax>yes, and also stop services, which is what happens when you disable a service, which the calls policy-rc.d, when then <loop>
09:18<themill>umm... so you only do things on 'start'
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10:26<phillipsjk>I have noticed that lxde, lightdm and xlock are not intergrated as well as they could be.
10:26<phillipsjk>xlock appears to try to call gdm if I push the "change login" button
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10:27<Amarande>phillipsjk: might need to uninstall gdm to get things back into line easily
10:27<Amarande>for some reason every now and then settings get stuck, and the only way to get rid of the unwanted behaviour is to remove the package you're not using altogether
10:28<Amarande>I ran into that with iceweasel on this machine, all the more puzzling because my other debian box had no issues with web browsers
10:28<phillipsjk>"gdmflexiserver" is what is called.
10:28<Amarande>(things were launching iceweasel even with google chrome installed and with gvfs-mime query *and* KDE confirming it was default ... only remedy was to delete iceweasel altogether)
10:29<phillipsjk>gdm is not installed.
10:30<phillipsjk>I may have to dive into source-code to fix this :P
10:32<phillipsjk>The issue is that lxde locks the screen when "switch user" is selected (possibly patching a security hole?). That way, I am promped for my password twice»: once by lightdm, and once by xlock.
10:34<Amarande>locking the current session when switching user in a GUI environment seems to be pretty standard
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10:34<Amarande>GNOME and even Windows both do it
10:35<Amarande>KDE does it once you actually launch the new login screen
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10:39<phillipsjk>I have not experimented with setting the screensaver password in windows. However, I doubt the user is prompted for their password twice (one by the login screen, once by the screen-saver).
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11:58<____Mike____>I have debian 8 "Jessie" and when I open any of my web browsers they will not connect to a page, they just say "resolving host" in the bottom left of the screen. I checked the network setting and it says that eth1 is connected and gives me an ip, if I click details it lists ip addresses for both ipv4 and ipv6. I am not sure where to check to see if the network settings are correct in debian.
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12:17<xx>hola
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12:18<xdce>hola
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12:20<Brigo>____Mike____, are you using network-manager?
12:20<____Mike____>yeah think so
12:20<____Mike____>Really new to linux :-)
12:20<____Mike____>Used windows for 20 years
12:20<____Mike____>on Elementary os right now
12:20<____Mike____>really loving it
12:21<____Mike____>but then Debian did not connect about a week ago, and I can't type sudo in the terminal
12:21<Brigo>____Mike____, sorry, i have to go :(
12:21<____Mike____>bummer, thanks anyway :-)
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12:21<Brigo>____Mike____, use root user.
12:21<____Mike____>not sure how
12:21<octal>____Mike____: just for kicks please do the following test: open your terminal and do a 'grep nameserver /etc/resolv.conf'; that's your DNS server. Then ping its IP address to check if you can reach it.
12:22<____Mike____>cool, thanks
12:23<____Mike____>copying that text to a file, i can't reach any internet activity on debian, so I read all the docs from phone
12:23<____Mike____>lol
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12:25<____Mike____>i also tried to type ifconfig, but it says Bash: not a good command
12:25<____Mike____>same with sudo, or su?
12:25<____Mike____>maybe I am just too new to linux to understand, but I thought ifconfig was a universal command to show ip stuff
12:26<____Mike____>like ipconfig in windows?
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12:26<____Mike____>maybe I might disconnect from here in a bit, and hop on this channel on my laptop then I can tell ya exactly what it says
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12:28<Txil>Eventually you'll get a response.
12:28<____Mike____>Txil how long?
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12:44<Txil>____Mike____ it varies. Keep a log and scan it often.
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12:45<felsan>Hello everybody!
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12:48<felsan>I'm joined to this IRC channel after search a lot in Internet and don't find anything and I've been speaking in #debian-es irc channel too. Probably it's a bug but before send a report to Debian I would like be sure
12:48<____Mike____>keep a log?
12:48<____Mike____>what do you mean? (sorry don't mean to be dense)
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12:48<Txil>Visit the IRC manual for more information.
12:49<____Mike____>oh, you were talking about an IRC log, I thought that the whole time you meant I would get a response on Debian...LOL
12:49<____Mike____>sorry
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12:50<Txil>Giggle - no worries.
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12:51<felsan>I've Logitech cordless keyboard and mouse combo (yes, I know, Logitech), with Debian testing AMD64. When I upgraded to sid I had a problem with mouse and keyboard. It's both, keyboard and mouse, after don't use them few seconds like 5 secons losts link. If I use continuously the mouse or the keyboard this time grows. Now the problematic package is in testing and after update I've that problem that
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12:52<felsan>I had in sid. Please, don't suggest me downgrade to stable or buy a linux friendly combo.
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12:53<felsan>I've see aptitude's log and I think the problematic packages are libgnutls-deb0-28:amd64 libgnutls-openssl27:amd64 but I admit I'm not sure and can be anyone
12:54<felsan>Any idea o suggest?
12:54<Txil>I'm not opposed to refinement.
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13:10<Txil>There may be some invite only channels for what some are looking for. Perhaps a private msg will be set when ready. I really don't know of any off the top of my head.
13:10<somiaj>Txil: what network are you on for the invite only channels? And what channel?
13:10<Txil>as in dev specific...
13:11<Txil>It's a process driven task.
13:12<somiaj>felsan: you should ask testing/sid questions in #debian-next, and I don't see why the packages you list would effect the wireless keyboard/mouse. Debian only has drivers for the gongle, if it is loosing sync with the dongle I'm unsure what the problem would be. My logitech wirless mice work just fine in debian
13:14<paxmark9>felsan ask in debian-next and I reply.
13:15<felsan>Thanks for you answer somiaj! I'll go to #debian-next, sorry
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13:15<felsan>thankyou paxmark9
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13:39<lord_rob>Hi! I'd like to run a smartctl on a usb device but I don't remember its name (/dev/sd?) How can I know that ?
13:42<Brigo>lord_rob, blkid
13:42<Brigo>or lsblk
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13:47<phillipsjk>The link to lwn.net is broken in this page: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/TEMP-0786909-A21526 (trailing ')' should not be there)
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13:49<somiaj>phillipsjk: not sure if that will get noticed here, unsure who the webmaster is but I'd send an email.
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13:57<phillipsjk>looks like ti wa sthe result of a text to HTML auto-conversion.
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14:01<pmart>is there a way to get a list of bugs present only in experimental version of package (i.e. NOT present in unstable)?
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14:22<pablo>hey
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14:28<molestingmachine>hola
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14:31<Marcin_PL>Hello! I got a VPS with Deb7 on it, and I added user. I got few scripts, that I can run, when managing via SSH. The scrips are on user's account. How should I make them run on startup if VPS will restart?
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14:32<Txil>Ahoy there!
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14:34<Txil>...batten down the hatches and all that jazz.
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14:36<Txil>the sail is stuck and we are adrift.
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14:40<Soadreqm>Is this a good place to get help with installing? My laptop needs a non-free network driver, which isn't included in the netinst image, which is causing some problems with configuring my network.
14:40<Txil>There's a fog bank ahead.
14:41<Soadreqm>There's the option to load it from a USB drive, but there ins't any information on which specific file I need, and where should it be so the installer can find it.
14:41<Soadreqm>The tarball? The .deb file? Just the .bin file the installer asks for?
14:41<centrx>Soadreqm, What kind of network card?
14:41<centrx>Soadreqm, It would be a .deb file
14:41<centrx>Soadreqm, You can download the file and then put it on a USB drive
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14:41<centrx>Soadreqm, You can also download the non-free netinstall - http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.1.0/amd64/iso-cd/
14:42<centrx>Though that is unnecessary
14:42<Soadreqm>centrx: Don't know the card's name, but the file it's asking for is rt2860.bin
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14:43<Marcin_PL>Realtek, I guess
14:43<Soadreqm>Does it need to be in a specific subfolder on the USB drive?
14:43<centrx>Soadreqm, Looks like it's in this package: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/firmware-ralink
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14:44<Soadreqm>Yeah, I downloaded that, but I couldn't get the installer to actually find it.
14:44<Soadreqm>At least I'm pretty sure it was that. Might as well try again.
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14:47<Soadreqm>So. I just place the .deb file on any USB drive, and then have it connected while trying to install, and the installer should be able to find and use it?
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14:49<Txil>There are official and non-official guides for doing things. The official guides are recommended over the non-official.
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14:49<iPlay>Hey.
14:51-!-n3oXz [~n3oXz@4va54-2-82-224-229-44.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #debian
14:51<n3oXz>hi everyone
14:51<iPlay>yo
14:51<n3oXz>I need to develop an IRC bot
14:51<iPlay>for?
14:51<n3oXz>I found python-irclib would be great
14:51<n3oXz>but I can't find it with apt-get
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14:52<iPlay>oh.
14:52<n3oXz>I found python-irc though but I don't know if it's the same package for jessie
14:52<iPlay>am just starting
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14:52<appas>n3oXz: have you looked at extending existing python irc bots? maybe that'd save you some trouble
14:53<phillipsjk>is there a reason ofther than CPU and netowrk bandwidth that mys ssh connection would be limited to about 1MB/s (10Mbps)? For the longest time I assumed it was CPU, but the slow computer only has 15-20% CPU load.
14:53<n3oXz>appas: nah that's not what I'm looking for
14:53<Txil>n3oXz when done fill us in. Sounds like an informative project.
14:53<iPlay>indeed
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14:55<n3oXz>I'll try to dw the package and setup it
14:56<n3oXz>but I'd rather do it the Debian way ..
14:56<iPlay>Alright
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14:58<n3oXz>the prob is I'm getting an odd error trying to run the setup.py
14:58<iPlay>whats the error
14:58<n3oXz>Traceback (most recent call last):
14:58<n3oXz> File "setup.py", line 10, in <module>
14:58<n3oXz> paver.tasks.main()
14:58<n3oXz> File "paver-minilib.zip/paver/tasks.py", line 816, in main
14:58<n3oXz> File "paver-minilib.zip/paver/tasks.py", line 785, in _launch_pavement
14:58-!-n3oXz was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.]
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14:59<n3oXz>i've been kicked for flood but im back
14:59<phillipsjk>found my problem (internet suggested grepping dmesg):[ 16.468071] 8139too 0000:01:02.0 eth0: link up, 10Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x4461
14:59<iPlay>alright
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15:00<phillipsjk>I may have soldered the cable rather than using the proper ends/crimping tool.
15:01<iPlay>that could be it as well
15:01<n3oXz>any ideas ?
15:01<iPlay>i got nothing....
15:02<Txil>Ah, are you needing to debug on the hardware level?
15:03<phillipsjk>n3oXz, "apt-cache search irc bot" lists lots of potentially relevant packages
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15:04<n3oXz>phillipsjk: i'll try that
15:04<n3oXz>thanks
15:04<phillipsjk>oops missed the python part.
15:04<n3oXz>lol
15:04<n3oXz>yeah
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15:04<phillipsjk>You can always install the package from source too.
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15:05<iPlay>n3oXz: what are you making..
15:06<n3oXz>phillipsjk: I've tried it, and i'm getting an odd error
15:06<Txil>yes n3oXz, inquiring minds would like to know.
15:07<phillipsjk>If you still want want package management, you can ask the bot about dpkg-buildpackage
15:07<n3oXz>I'm just working on a root-me challenge, check the website of you want to know more about it
15:08<n3oXz>But soon enough I'll be deploying my own irc with some friends, and we'd like to develop our own bot for fun
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15:09<n3oXz>http://sourceforge.net/projects/python-irclib/files/
15:09<Txil>Now that does sound like a rewarding challenge. Not my expertise at this time but sounds like fun nonetheless.
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15:09<n3oXz>this is the source code, can someone try to install it, and tell me if he gets the same error ? apparently you need to run the setup.py
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15:10<iPlay>hold on
15:10<phillipsjk>you are probably missing required python librabries
15:10<phillipsjk>is there a README file?
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15:11<n3oXz>there is
15:11<n3oXz>but quite undocumented to be honest
15:11<iPlay>is it python-irclib?
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15:12<n3oXz>yes
15:12<esaym153>ugh, just upgraded from wheezy to jeesie and network-manager on kde isn't connecting to any wireless (wpa or open), known issues?
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15:13<iPlay>its not working for me
15:13<n3oXz>you get the same error ?
15:13<iPlay>Yea
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15:14<n3oXz>dawn it
15:14<n3oXz>damn *
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15:15<Txil>n3oXz good luck on your venture. I'd watch a streaming feed of that competition if/when it's available.
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15:15<iPlay>must be hard been a programmer
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15:18<n3oXz>Txil thanks :(
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15:18<Txil>n3oXz seriously, I would really watch an event like that.
15:19<iPlay>am trying to figure on how to become a programmer
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15:19<Txil>literally would find it entertaining.
15:19<iPlay>yea , it would help me on how to do things like that as well
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15:43<Txil>The exploration continues. We should arrive at the dest shortly.
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15:48<bikeshedder>I'm having some troubles with "debootstrap". It ends with exit code 1 but I get no error message: http://codepad.org/OHQU8aHW - it is debootstrap 1.0.48+deb7u2 on a debian wheezy 7.8 box.
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15:50<Txil>A loud noise followed by rubber neck. Something just moved in the fog.
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15:54<bikeshedder>debootstrap should return exit code 0 shouldn't it? I'm using it as part of a custom LXC bootstrap script and the tarball seams to be intact. I'm just troubled that something might be wrong and I'm not getting the error message.
15:54*esaym153 still can't get wifi working
15:54<esaym153>man sux so bad
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15:58<esaym153>hmm, works with wicd, but not network-manager
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16:01<Txil>next course of action will determine if we arrive on time or not.
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16:07<Soadreqm>I continue to have installation troubles. Now it's failing to mount the installation medium, a USB drive.
16:07<Soadreqm>Which should clearly be functional, since the bootloader worked fine, and the installer is alread running.
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16:11<Soadreqm>...Actually, since I'm already running a linux with the apt package manager, can I just add the debian repos and install the whole system that way?
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16:13<dr_jkl>jelly: my mirror sucks ass, i think
16:13<dr_jkl>let me try
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16:14<dr_jkl>jelly: apparently my system is up to date but i'm not sure i have the patched systemd
16:15<Soadreqm>Oh, and does it matter what file system the installation drive has? I just noticed mine was ext2. Could it work better with ext3 or ext4?
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16:18<phillipsjk>ext2 should be fine.
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16:19<Txil>The crew indicated something unpleasant is in these waters. Turn hard to starboard!
16:19*dr_jkl spins the old ship's wheel hard to the right
16:20<Soadreqm>Well, there goes that plan.
16:21<dr_jkl>Am I reading this bug (784720) report correctly, that the fixed version of systemd should be 215-17? or is that the affected version?
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16:29<paxmark9>dr_jkl, are you on stable?
16:30<dr_jkl>my apt says jessie
16:31<dr_jkl>so i assume so
16:31<dr_jkl>this is a fresh 8.1 install
16:31<dr_jkl>and apt says i'm up to date
16:31<dr_jkl>after one update and upgrade
16:32<dr_jkl>but i am still experiencing issues which lead me to believe my systemd is not the version patched for the SIGKILL stupidity as described in that bug
16:33<paxmark9>I'm on sid mostly but 215-17 and 215-18 are pretty bug free.
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16:33<dr_jkl>my systemd says it's 'systemd 215'
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16:34<dr_jkl>i guess i need to ask apt what it has
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16:34<Freeaqingme>Hi folks, I'm looking for the patches that Debian uses when building the kernel. Where can I find these?
16:34<dr_jkl>apt says 215-17+deb8u1
16:34<paxmark9>That should be good.
16:35*pencilandpaper isn't using systemd.
16:35<dr_jkl>okay, so the latest note in the bug *is* the fixed version.
16:35<dr_jkl>awesome.
16:35<dr_jkl>thanks. :)
16:35<dr_jkl>it's weird because if i init 6 while sshed in, it immediately goes dead
16:35<dr_jkl>which is why i'm not sure it's fixed, but maybe something else is going on
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16:40<paxmark9>init # don't work as well as they used to in systemd because they are "virtual" systemctl isolate multi-user.target for init 3 and systemctl isolate graphical.target for init 5
16:41<paxmark9>http://dynacont.net/documentation/linux/Useful_SystemD_commands/
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16:41<Amarande>yeah jessie is its usual awesome stableness :)
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16:42<Amarande>apart from foibles like iceweasel, which has had to regrettably be banished from this particular box because there's some oddness with web browser defaults :|
16:42<paxmark9>dr_jkl, and if using lightdm in cli systemctl stop lightdm.service will send you to tty1 and systemctl start lightdm.service will restart x and lightdm
16:43<pencilandpaper>i think the same Amarande, except for the fact that systemd is now a part of the OS. other than that its still debian..and once removed its not that bad.
16:44<Amarande>the odd thing is the web browser defaults glitch only occurs on this machine, and not on my other debian box
16:44<Amarande>unless it's some problem with Google's Chrome package and not with anything in debian *shrug*
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16:45<Amarande>specifically, if I had both iceweasel and chrome installed, even if chrome was set as the default (and not only KDE's options panel, but a gvfs-mime query and a check with update-alternatives noted that both show chrome as the default browser)
16:45<pencilandpaper>google's chrome package wouldnt have anything to do with iceweasel though. iceweasel is modeled after firefox.
16:46<pencilandpaper>o ok i see what you mean now by default Amarande.
16:46<Amarande>yeah, what happened was, a number of applications, including hexchat, and even including a check with gvfs-open on a web url, would insist on opening iceweasel instead of chrome
16:46<Amarande>on my other debian box they open chrome just ducky
16:46<pencilandpaper>did you happen to make those changes with your preferred applications Amarande, and choose the browser that you wanted as default?
16:47<Amarande>yes, in fact, when I first saw it, I had actually copied identical .config and .kde directory trees over from the other machine where it worked fine
16:47<Amarande>but on *this* machine it still wanted to load iceweasel instead of chrome
16:47<Amarande>only uninstalling iceweasel altogether fixed it (and reinstalling iceweasel caused the problem to recur until it was removed again)
16:47<pencilandpaper>even after choosing chrome as your preferred application?
16:47<pencilandpaper>i see.
16:47<Amarande>yup, even after KDE showed chrome as the preferred web browser
16:47<pencilandpaper>wow.
16:47<pencilandpaper>thats deep. brb man.
16:47<Amarande>even though gvfs-query and update-alternatives both indicated chrome was the browser of choice, too
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16:47<pencilandpaper>right.
16:48<pencilandpaper>brb.
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16:49<sergio-br2>anyone know how I overwrite the -O2 flag in the package build?
16:49<sergio-br2>it's using cmake, then -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Release
16:49<Amarande>sergio-br2: that's controlled by the CFLAGS
16:50<sergio-br2>so it put -O3, but for some reason -O2 appears too
16:50<Amarande>which in turn are normally set when the configure script is run
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16:51<sergio-br2>I tried CPPFLAGS and CXXFLAGS, but -O2 continue to appears (I'm using += instead =, afraid of purge something needed)
16:52<Amarande>ideally, you want to pass the -O3 when you're running the configure script originally
16:52<Amarande>as in ./configure CFLAGS=-O3
16:52<Amarande>since that normally ends up in the makefile
16:52<Amarande>what's it saying for the default CFLAGS in the makefile?
16:54<sergio-br2>hum, dunno, how can I see that?
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16:54<sergio-br2>ah, the generated files, ok
16:54<Amarande>open a terminal after you've generated the Makefile
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16:54<Amarande>and then go into the source folder and type less Makefile
16:55<Amarande>it should be near the top
16:58<sergio-br2>CMAKE_CXX_FLAGS:STRING='-g -O2 -fstack-protector-strong -Wformat .......'
16:58<sergio-br2>I already saw this
16:58<sergio-br2>I just didn't understand from where it's coming
16:58<sergio-br2>If I'm using -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Release
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17:12<dodo>if you want to creat a 100MB file you use "dd if=/dev/zero of=filename bs=1024 count=102400". But what if you want to reserve ("reserve" may not be the correct word, maybe "use", "consume", "spend" or "waste" ) 100MB of ram?
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17:13<aeb>dodo: create a 100 MB file in a tmpfs. Your /tmp might already be a tmpfs.
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17:16<esaym153>man, still no wifi
17:16<esaym153>does anyone use network-manager in jessie?
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17:16<mrmyers_>When does jessie-backports happen?
17:16<somiaj>dodo: what are you reserving this ram for?
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17:17<Ganneff>dodo: bs=1 count=0 seek=8G - create a file with it and look at it
17:17<somiaj>mrmyers_: the repo has been available since the release. As to when it gets a paticular piece of software (or if it will ge it), when the matainer wants to put it there.
17:17<Ganneff>dodo: what you want is called "sparse file"
17:18<Ganneff>ah. sorry, misread
17:18<Ganneff>reserving ram - you dont, without writing a driver for it...
17:19<somiaj>You could do teh tmpfs suggestion, but even then it won't keep other apps from using the ram as I think tmpfs uses shared ram
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17:19<somiaj>I think understanding what it is dodo is trying to achive would help out
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17:20<Ganneff>there is no way to say "this ram is reserved for $something" except having a driver reserve it for you (and so the kernel knows its not to take it for anything)
17:20<dodo>aeb, indeed it is. according to "df -h" /tmp is a 2.9GB tmpfs, so I have created a 2.9GB file there. according to "free" i still have that RAM to use: http://paste.debian.net/262006/
17:20<dodo>I'm just trying to understand the free command
17:21<sergio-br2>nice, found it
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17:21<sergio-br2>export DEB_CXXFLAGS_STRIP=-O2
17:21<somiaj>dodo: the tmpfs ram is shared, or reserved, it isn't being used, hence it shows up in free, you can actaully count reserved ram and may find you are resrving more than you have
17:22<dr_jkl>sergio-br2: make CFLAGS="-O2"
17:22<dr_jkl>err, how do i do it
17:22<dr_jkl>sec
17:22<sergio-br2>It'll override more things than I want
17:23<dr_jkl>what's your end goal?
17:23<sergio-br2>build it with -O3, but with all deb default flags
17:23<dodo>somiaj, so my available RAM is 2.0GB? shown in row Mem and collumn Free, from the free command?
17:23<sergio-br2>so export DEB_CXXFLAGS_STRIP=-O2 is ideal for me
17:23<sergio-br2>it purge only the -O2
17:23<dr_jkl>that'd work
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17:23<dr_jkl>i usually just edit the makefile
17:24<sergio-br2>but it use cmake
17:24<dodo>I I thought, that I had to see row -/+ buffers/cache.
17:24<dr_jkl>oh, yeah then what you're doing should work
17:24<sergio-br2>it'll generate the makefile, so I can't touch it
17:24<aeb>dodo: it's 2.0 GB currently free, and 5.3 GB free when required (with buffers and caches kicked out from memory)
17:24<sergio-br2>what's this -g flag?
17:24<dr_jkl>dodo: www.linuxatemyram.com
17:25<dr_jkl>sergio-br2: debug symbols
17:25<dr_jkl>if you dont want them use -s
17:25<sergio-br2>ah
17:25<sergio-br2>hum, I think it should be there then
17:25<sergio-br2>but... debug really don't work with -O3, right?
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17:26<dr_jkl>i think -O3 takes the debug symbols out
17:26<dr_jkl>i can't remember
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17:26<dr_jkl>remember that not everything will want to build -O3 either
17:26<dr_jkl>(some people are lazy coders)
17:26<sergio-br2>hum
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17:27<dr_jkl>is there some reason you're shooting for a -O3 compile?
17:27<sergio-br2>performance
17:27<sergio-br2>dolphin emu
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17:28<dr_jkl>mm
17:28<sergio-br2>it uses a lot of CPU
17:28<dr_jkl>paxmark9: interestingly, if i reboot the system with 'reboot' my ssh session still doesn't close cleanly
17:29<sergio-br2>with desmume, it drops from 5% in some cases
17:29<aeb>dr_jkl: -O3 doesn't take debug symbols out, debugging just gets harder from the optimizations
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17:29<sergio-br2>(35% to 30% for example)
17:29<dr_jkl>aeb: oh, okay
17:29<dr_jkl>i wasn't sure
17:29<dr_jkl>sergio-br2: you want -s too then
17:29<sergio-br2>hum
17:29<dr_jkl>you want to strip the debug symbols out if you're really looking for speed
17:30<dr_jkl>well, 'performance' i shouldn't say speed
17:30<sergio-br2>-s strip debug out? Or do I need to put something else ?
17:30<sergio-br2>I mean, in the debian package
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17:31<dr_jkl>-s strips debug out
17:31<dr_jkl>so add it to your flags
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17:37<dr_jkl>i'm not sure this is fixed...
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17:42<dr_jkl>anyone got a jessie system they can play around in?
17:46<sergio-br2>I have installed in a VM
17:47<dr_jkl>mm
17:47<dr_jkl>if you reboot your vm while you're sshed in to it does your ssh session close or do you get a broken pipe
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17:55<somiaj>dr_jkl: most likey you'll get a broken pipe, connenctions won't be cloosed during a shutdown (or at least not that I have seen)
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17:57<dr_jkl>they should have, i mean i dont get wall messages or anything like that anyore
17:57<dr_jkl>anymore*
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18:01<somiaj>dr_jkl: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=751636
18:01<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/751636 in openssh-server (open): «ssh sessions are not cleanly terminated on shutdown/restart with systemd»; severity: important; opened: 2014-06-14; last modified: 2015-05-12.
18:01<somiaj>seems it is an issue with how systemd does things differently
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18:02<f-a>`date` show an incorrect time (23:58 instead of, what, 00:01)
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18:03<f-a>I am sure there is a way to re-align it with some server, but I don't know how
18:03<somiaj>f-a: hardware clocks are usually fairly bad and drift, if you have a constant internet connenction use ntpd to keep your hardware clock synced
18:03<jhutchins>I think systemd needed another year of development before it rolled into stable. Well, not systemd, that should freeze and effort should go into getting other packages compatible.
18:04<somiaj>the last comment in that report was the most informative, seems no one could identify what is different or could be causing the issue.
18:04<jhutchins>f-a: You can also use ntpdate if you only occasionally have a network connection.
18:04<f-a>apt-gettin' it now, thanks somiaj, jhutchins
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18:05<jhutchins>somiaj: I've had certain programs that if I run them over ssh, the connection won't close cleanly.
18:05<jhutchins>f-a: ntp is pretty cool in that it learns how your clock tends to drift and applies automatic adjustment.
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18:06<f-a>jhutchins: I just get bothered when it is noticeable by me
18:06<somiaj>f-a: note it won't fix your lclock right away, it will slowly drift your clock to the correct time (since some things will have a bad day if the time changes to quickly)
18:06<f-a>(i.e. 5m+ difference)
18:07<somiaj>though a few mins it might take an hour or so to fix it
18:07<f-a>which server do you guys/gals use?
18:07<f-a>interesting, somiaj!
18:07<somiaj>jhutchins: I just run things in screen if I care when using ssh.
18:07<somiaj>f-a: some programs don't like seeing dates that are too future
18:08<somiaj>so if your clock changes to much things may complain or not work.
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18:09<dr_jkl>somiaj / judd : thank you
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18:35<user>muchachos les consulto
18:35-!-user is now known as Guest3124
18:35<Guest3124>tengo jessie
18:35<Guest3124>quiero saber si tengo corriendo systemd
18:35<f-a>Guest3124: creo que esto es un canal en el cual se habla ingles
18:35<Guest3124>ok
18:35<f-a>de todas cosas, sì, tienes systemd
18:35<Guest3124>instale desde netinst
18:36<f-a>prueba `top`, ya veras
18:36<f-a>PID 1
18:36<Guest3124>ok
18:36<Guest3124>gracias amigo
18:36<f-a>da nada
18:37<Guest3124>pense q podia haber otro metodo de comprobacion
18:37<Guest3124>parace q lo desintale correctamente
18:38<Guest3124>sysvinit run
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18:39<Guest3124>conoces algun channel debian spanish?
18:39<Guest3124>please
18:39<f-a>Guest3124: #debian-es
18:40<lord_rob>/j #debian-es
18:40<f-a>/join #debian-es
18:40<Guest3124>thanks
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19:44<sleser>is there a way to manualy mount so it shows in dolphin http://paste.debian.net/262039/
19:44<sleser>lg electronics
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19:45<sleser>i just need to mountit for a littlebit not for ever . so ican update the device firmware
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19:53<somiaj>sleser: depends on what you mean by mount it. Some devices will be usbmass storage, and can be mounted like any file system. Some use mtp and need special tools to mount it. In either case this allows you to read/write to it like it was a HD, not sure how this is related to updating firmware.
19:54<sleser>i need to see it in dolphin so virtualbox win xp and lg software can detect the phone
19:54<sleser>not sure if the lg software updater needs mtp or whatever
19:54<somiaj>sleser: I think what you need to do is configure virtualbox to use the usb device/port itself.
19:54<sleser>i have that configured
19:54<sleser>i have 2 phones . one i plug it catches it in winxp
19:55<sleser>this other phone is bricked
19:55<somiaj>sleser: i.e. firmware tools may not just need access to the file system bu tto the device using the windows drivers. I belive there is a way to pass the usbport to windows via virtual box, and from there windows should just do its thing.
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19:55<somiaj>if it is bricked I don't know what to do.
19:55<sleser>lsusb shows me it
19:55<somiaj>i.e. if windows isn't seeing it and you have passed the usb drive though to windows then there isn't much y ou can do to force it
19:55<sleser>but it wont come up in dolhpin
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19:56<sleser>windows wont find it unles i can see it in dolphin just like my working phone
19:56<somiaj>sleser: as for dolhpin, this is about what kinda of device it is, you can check dmesg for more info. But I doubt mouting the filesystem is what you are trying to achive.
19:57<somiaj>I don't see how this is related. dolphin sees filesystems. If you passed the usb device to windows what dolphin sees is not important
19:57<somiaj>are you passing the usbdevice to windows, or sharing the usb mountpoint with windows
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20:01<sleser>maby im not explaining the correct way
20:01<sleser>i have 2 phones . one whitch works when i plug it . next to the clock itll show me a new device
20:01<sleser>isnt doing the same thing when i plug my bricked phone
20:01<sleser>thats what i mean
20:02<somiaj>sleser: You have a phone, you want to put new firmware on this phone from windows?
20:02<sleser>well lg only makes software for windows and mac
20:03<sleser>so yeh i need to unbrick the phone using their software to pute stock rom inside
20:03<somiaj>sleser: that is fine, and if that is the case passing the filesystem to windows will do you no good. YOu need windows to control the device.
20:03<somiaj>sleser: if you have actually passed the device though to windows and it isn't seing it as a usbdevice, then there really isn't much you can do.
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20:04<somiaj>passing the device to windows via virtualbox is not the same thing as the filesystem.
20:04<sleser>but how to make so debian do its part also ?
20:04<somiaj>and mounting the device on your system won't help windows control the device to put new firmware on it
20:04<sleser>like to show me the bricked device like next to the clock like it does with a working phone ?
20:05<somiaj>really debian shouldn't be doing anything. You should let windows have control of the whole usbdevice, and then use the tools from LG
20:05<sleser>it isnt hapening
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20:05<sleser>i tryed
20:06<sleser>the only time windows will show me a usb device if only a usb device also shows next to the clock aria on debian
20:06<somiaj>sleser: you aren't paying attention to the difference between the device and a filesystem on the device. Your working phone has its filesystem automatically detected and that is what you are seeing in dolphin and your icon. Just copying the firmware onto the filesystem is probabaly not what you need to do.
20:06<sleser>i see what you saying now
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20:06<sleser>so basicaly thihs device is garbage
20:06<somiaj>sleser: again back to my question. How are you sharing the device with windows.
20:07<somiaj>it could be, you could look at dmesg after you pluged it in and see what the linux kernel says about the device.
20:07<sleser>settings inside virtualbox usb
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20:10<sleser>dmesg just shows 2611.613180] usb 1-1: Manufacturer: LG Electronics Inc.
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20:11<somiaj>sleser: yes seems like it can read the usbid from the device but not much more
20:11<sleser>does this info enough for virtualbox and windows ?
20:12<somiaj>sleser: anyways when the device is plugged in and your windows vim is shut down, can you goto the usb menu in virtualbox and find the device in the list of usb devices?
20:12<sleser>when i had this device working . i set it
20:12<sleser>but now if i add new usb it wont show me it
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20:12<somiaj>even if you remove it from the list first?
20:13<sleser>i dont realy wana remove it
20:13<sleser>what if it wont show ?
20:13<sleser>ill have to write all the info on a paper so i can then create it manualy
20:14<somiaj>if it isn't showing something is wrong the device. But this is just debugging. If you have actually passed the device to windows and it isn't seeing it there probabaly isn't much you can do to get new firmware isntalled.
20:14<sleser>wait a min
20:14<sleser>it shows
20:15<sleser>virtualbox can see it
20:15<sleser>ill try this again after i return from outside
20:16<sleser>i need to go out do some things .
20:16<sleser>somiaj thanks for the tips
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20:17<sleser>remember i said i have set this long time ago . the old and new 2 diferences
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20:17<sleser>when device worked back maby years ago . virtualbox found it like so : LG Electronics Inc. LG Android USB Device [0227]
20:18<sleser>now i just aded it it shows : LG Electronics, Inc LGE CDMA USB Modem
20:18<sleser>for some reason now its a modem
20:19<sleser>ill b back later see you guys
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23:22<michael_>fellow users of Debian . . . what is your favorite IRC client and why? I have tried pretty much everything and nothing meets my needs so I am trying to find something that isn't disappointing in one way or another. I even installed Smuxi (mono based) because I cant think of anymore to try. So far, Quassel is the front runner but I hate the dependency on SQLite which has resulted in two database corruption issues to the point I dont
23:22<michael_>want a database at all.
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23:54<phillipsjk>!best
23:54<dpkg>Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
23:55<phillipsjk>I use hexchat because I found xchat shiny and hexchat is the maintained replacement.
23:55<Shentino>dpkg, you stink
23:55<dpkg>I resemble that remark!
23:55<Shentino>dpkg, you are cute
23:55<dpkg>I resemble that remark!
23:55<Shentino>...that wasn't an insult, dpkg
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23:57<phillipsjk>oops, michael_ left nearly 30 mins ago.
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