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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-06-28

---Logopened Sun Jun 28 00:00:47 2015
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00:07<[UP]Crystal>Hi everyone! I
00:07<[UP]Crystal>I can hear sound from all users at the same time. What option should I change in pulseaudio to prevent this ?
00:08<[UP]Crystal>I'm using jessie with mate if it matter
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00:19<[UP]Crystal>I found that have to change PULSEAUDIO_SYSTEM_START option in /etc/default/pulseaudio but this file does not exist in Jessie
00:20<finetundra>hello everyone, I'm having an issue when rebooting where the system will hang indefinitely. Anyone have any idea as to what could case this?
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00:23<finetundra>this issue has been with me since I upgraded to jessie
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02:07<artem_north>Русские есть?
02:07<artem_north>hello all... Russian is here???
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02:09<somiaj>!ru
02:09<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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06:12<n00bc4k3>hi, I'm trying to install debian on my mac, and created a partition called /boot on my USB stick, but after running through the (grub)installation pointing to the USB stick is not detected after install and reboot. Anyone have any ideas on what im doing wroing
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08:13<meebey>obviously michael_ had already the best IRC client and he didn't even realize it :-P
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08:40<Guest3186>hi folks, I have a quick question: I have managed to configure grub to send output to the serial console and I can see it and use the console using gtkterm. when I open the gtkterm app later (after boot), the screen stays blank and I cannot login. does anyone know how to resolve this issue?
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08:42<peter1138>screen?
08:42<ichdasich>Guest3186: first... kernel command line: console=ttyS0
08:43<ichdasich>Guest3186: second: https://www.google.de/?gws_rd=ssl#q=debian+serial+login&tbs=qdr:y
08:43<peter1138>Guest3186, are you waiting for a login prompt to appear?
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08:44<Guest3186>peter1138: the login prompt only appears if I am connected to the serial console at boot, not afterwards
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08:44<Guest3186>ichdasich: first: done, second: not helpful
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08:45<ichdasich>Guest3186: you probably run $something_newish_with_systemd. what you want is a login spawning on ttyS0. I can only tell you how that is done with sysv init.
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08:46<ichdasich>so to figure that our for your $newish thing, please see if there is a good one in that google link.
08:49<peter1138>Guest3186, do you press any keys?
08:50<peter1138>Enter, in particular.
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08:52<Guest3186>peter1138: the screen just stays blank, as if the getty was not running
08:52<damjan>Guest3186: is the getty running?
08:53<Guest3186>yes, verified via ssh
08:53<Guest3186> /sbin/agetty --keep-baud 115200 38400 9600 ttyS0 vt102
08:53<damjan>what baudrate do you connect with?
08:54<Guest3186>115200
08:54<Celelibi>What's in /var/lib/apt/lists?
08:54<Celelibi>It takes 290MB.
08:54<damjan>Guest3186: are you sure it's ttyS0 ?? is it a PC?
08:54<Guest3186>its an APU
08:54<Guest3186>so yeah-ish
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08:55<damjan>Guest3186: dunno, it's strange
08:55<Guest3186>indeed
08:55<damjan>how did you configure it in grub?
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08:57<Guest3186>like this: http://0bin.net/paste/gJkblEHfIgTTbQQx#MxV77x+qCeHLof6qhrsxBk6uF8o28H7cweP1GSlwLso
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09:02<Grenville>Hey, I've got a couple of things I need help with for which my web search has drawn a blank. After updateing to Jessie, the evdev driver no longer seems to work for my synaptics touchpad. Reconfiguring Xorg.conf so that synaptics is put in the Option driver line works fine. I do want to use evdev for access reasons. Any sugestions for resolving the issue welcome.
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09:11<babilen> /msg dpkg evdev
09:11<Grenville>thanks
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09:12<babilen>Grenville: I would recommend against using a Xorg configuration file at all and simply let it do its thing via autoconfiguration. If you really have to configure something specific you'd create /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/NN-foo.conf with a minimal section in there.
09:13<babilen>"access reasons" ? Are you referring to certain accessibility options that the evdev driver exposes, but the synaptic one doesn't?
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09:13<babilen>dpkg: tell Grenville -about xorg.conf.d
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09:19<Grenville>babilen: that's right. I need the DragLock function that evdev provides, but the synaptics driver does not. Thank you for the xorg.conf.d suggestion
09:24<babilen>I have no idea why you cannot use evdev anymore (a detailed look into the Xorg log might reveal reasons for that though). If you do look at SYNAPTICS(4) though you'd find the 'Option "LockedDrags" "boolean"' option though that might just be what you are looking for. Using something along the lines of http://paste.debian.net/262605/ might do the trick
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09:25<babilen>It is described as "If off, a tap-and-drag gesture ends when you release the finger. If on, the gesture is active until you tap a second time, or until LockedDragTimeout expires. Property: "Synaptics Locked Drags""
09:27<Grenville>babilen: this is good advice, thank you. I did try the locked drags, but I found that I could reliably tap. I have to use the side of my fist. Anyway, I'll scour the logs and stop darkening your door. Thanks for the help.
09:28<Grenville>*could not
09:28<babilen>All the best! If you don't manage to configure it using any of the options in the synclient driver we would have to investigate why the evdev one isn't working anymore. (paste the Xorg.0.log for that to begin with)
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09:31<Grenville>ok. will do. Thank you.
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11:15<user01>any suggestions for getting hidpi - retina to appear correctly in debian xfce?
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11:20<user01>maybe i have to install gnome? :/
11:20<user01>gnome-tweak-tools is what i see on one wiki
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13:13<willamette>hello guys could you please help me with debian-installer and grub2?
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13:54<benedetto_>salve!
13:55<benedetto_>list
13:55<benedetto_>list!
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16:22<dshad>does anybody know why nc ignore port argument (screenshot http://ctrlv.in/596182)?
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16:25<iobound>hi, i used to have "linux-image-amd64" installed on an i386-based unstable installation. it looks like this package has been removed from i386, what's the correct way to upgrade?
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16:26<ansgar>iobound: Enable multiarch, add amd64 as a foreign arch, install linux-image-amd64 from there.
16:27<iobound>ok, sounds good
16:27<iobound>thanks
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16:27<iobound>that's not going to cause any trouble with the rest of the userland which is currently on i386?
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16:29<iobound>couldn't find anything in the changelog about it either, where would be the correct place to get info on this linux-image-amd64 change?
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16:31<iobound>will installing "linux-image-amd64:amd64" cause trouble for my nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver:i386 and xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-legacy-304xx:i386 packages? "apt-get -s install linux-image-amd64:amd64" seems to want to pull in glibc:amd64 and other stuff...
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16:33<maxy>dshad: Do you have an alias for nc?
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16:34<dshad>maxy: no
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16:55<iobound>anyone know if nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver:i386 will work with linux-image-amd64:amd64 on a i386-native system in sid?
16:56<iobound>simulating an install of nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver:amd64 with linux-image-amd64:amd64 seemed to want to remove everything on the system basically
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17:00<iobound>i'll just give it a shot
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17:07<iobound>it worked, nice
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17:51<pwkay>hello?
17:51<pwkay>someone help me?
17:51<pwkay>*can
17:52<pwkay>cant login after got update 3 days ago - after type password (correct) and press enter, it goes back to login screen. Problem partially fixes by switch "system default" to "gnome", but still solved. Someone know, how to fix it?
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17:59<sandman>Hi how do you add Thunderbird to Activities so I can drag it onto the dash/favorites? Or is their a way to reinstall it so it adds itself? "debian 8/gnome"
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18:08<pwkay>okie, ll join tomorrow and re-write my problem
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18:09<somiaj>sandman: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/shell-apps-favorites.html.en -- is that what you are talking about, have you tried to add thunderbird to the dash but it isn't listed in the list of applications?
18:10<weedeater64>svchost.exe, er I mean systemd_virus, why?
18:11<somiaj>weedeater64: do y ou have an actual debian support question?
18:11<weedeater64>Yes, when will they fix Debian?
18:12<ansgar>weedeater64: Please troll elsewhere.
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18:12<somiaj>weedeater64: that is not a support question. If you don't want to run systemd, don't run it.
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19:09<Soadreqm>This distro was a huge hassle to install.
19:09<Soadreqm>No offense.
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19:11<sney>find problem -> report bug (or attach info to existing bug)
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19:12<sney>always improving thanks to our helpful users.
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19:12<Soadreqm>I would but I'm kind of burned out from all the hassle.
19:12<sney>k
19:13<sney>well, this is a support channel, so if you have a support question or you get stuck, etc, we're here to help. but not really a feedback channel, since most of us are just other users
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19:13<Soadreqm>Duly noted.
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19:14<Soadreqm>On that note, if I uninstall wicd and install network-manager, will nm just work, or do I have to do something to make it start up properly?
19:16<sney>nm by default will ignore any interface in /etc/network/interfaces. otherwise it's pretty drop in and go
19:17<Soadreqm>Great.
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21:33<danshin>alguem sabe habilitar javascript no links?
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21:34<sney>!br
21:34<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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21:36<danshin>ok. Thanks kkk
21:36<danshin>Someone know how to enable javascript in Links?
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21:51<guyh>danshin: "However JavaScript support was removed in release 2.1pre29 because it was buggy." from the manual.
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22:19<gregory>are /msg bots allowed #debian??
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22:20<gregory>#debian-offtopic
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22:21<gregory>how do i change my username?
22:22<gregory>whats the CMD?
22:22<gregory>hello admin?
22:23<gregory>ok n/m
22:23-!-gregory is now known as gregorybritt_com
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22:23<gregorybritt_dot_com>got it now! Thanks anyway!
22:25<gregorybritt_dot_com>who said lay off the bong? no shit silly, i've been drug free -5 years
22:26<themill>wrong channel?
22:27<gregorybritt_dot_com>yep!
22:27<gregorybritt_dot_com>joining #abuse
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22:31<gregorybritt_com>time to restart the world with a loud wake up call here program team @ubuntu linux!
22:31<gregorybritt_com>even canada is sleepy as a zombie
22:31<gregorybritt_com>wtf happened to the world in canada?
22:31<gregorybritt_com>anybody from or headed to Canada?
22:31<abrotman>gregorybritt_com: Do you need help with Debian?
22:32<gregorybritt_com>No I need you to stop writing it for free though!
22:32<gregorybritt_com>Sell it like windows!
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22:39<abrotman>gregorybritt_com: This channel is a support channel for Debian, not a social channel.
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23:05<kingsley__>I'd like to see some intelligent comments on a new package that addresses an old and important problem: protecting your computer from javascript malware.
23:05<kingsley__>The package is called "firejail".
23:06<kingsley__>It was initially released on March 15th.
23:06<kingsley__>You can read about it at ...
23:06<kingsley__>https://packages.debian.org/unstable/main/firejail
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23:07<strangegang>sup
23:08<kingsley__>strangegang: A new package called "firejail".
23:08<strangegang>Firejail
23:09<strangegang>hell?
23:09<kingsley__>strangegang: It's described at https://packages.debian.org/unstable/main/firejail
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23:10<kingsley__>It basically protects your computer from a big old problem: malware in javascript from web sites.
23:10<ryouma>kingsley__: i am hoping that it will work to protect the computer from proprietary adobe flash, so that things like website radios that use flash and do not work with gnash or html5 etc. will work. presumably i'd need a second x server for sniff protection also. but i've heard that it being suid is a possible issue? i do not know of what other good alternatives for my task exist.
23:11<ryouma>although i am blocked from upgrading to jessie due to a video card issue, i am glad that there is a debian package for firejail
23:11<ryouma>basically, i never want to run non-free unless it is in something like firejail (or whatever else works as well)
23:12<Amarande>ryouma, the risk is low if you're on linux
23:12<Amarande>especially if you don't have wine installed
23:12<ryouma>Amarande: risk of suid? or of flash?
23:12<Amarande>ryouma: of acquiring effective malware
23:13<Amarande>almost all web malware is written for windows, for multiple reasons
23:13<Amarande>one, because most target machines are windows based
23:13<ryouma>i'm more concerned about adobe being up to no good
23:13<Amarande>there's an advantage of being the 1% in this case :)
23:13<Amarande>two, because most linux users are expected to be on average considerably more savvy than windows users, and therefore not only are a smaller target but a harder one
23:14<Amarande>targeting linux users tends to be like trying to get a math whiz to fall for three-card monte or ace-deuce-jack at even money :P
23:15<Amarande>eh
23:15<Amarande>there's a certain amount of risk that is unavoidable if you want to use the web for day to day consumer things
23:16<Amarande>it's like I was saying on freenode earlier to a guy who was asking after wifi firmware on debian and claiming worries about being spied on if the wifi firmware wasn't open ... if you don't want to be spied on, you don't want a network connection to begin with these days anyway heh
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23:18<ryouma>Amarande: i don't think it's wise to say "i will not take any precautions because it is impossible to be perfect about it". i think it is better to say "i will use what tools i can to protect my and my family's privacy".
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23:21<kingsley__>ryouma: Thank you for sharing your thoughts about firejail.
23:21<kingsley__>I found much to agree with,
23:22<Amarande>ryouma: I'm saying more "there are only so many precautions you can take without having to sacrifice normal modern creature comforts"
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23:24<kingsley__>ryouma: For what it's worth, if you become impatient for upgrading to jessie, I suppose you might consider buying a cheap used video card, and then replacing your original one if or when it becomes supported.
23:24<kingsley__>ryouma: I've seen used video cards that linux supports sell for $US 5.
23:26<ryouma>kingsley__: oh? which ones? mine is "RV610 video device [Radeon HD 2400 PRO]", works on wheezy but not jessie. i don't play games or anything, but need video and good text scrolling.
23:29<kingsley__>ryouma: I think maybe I used to me more concerned with buying hardware that was specifically known to work with Linux, and found that it was a hassle. Now I just go to an electronics recycler and buy about 3 different cards. Usually one works and I can return the other 2.
23:30<kingsley__>ryouma: If you haven't done so already, you might want to
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23:31<kingsley__>a.) Look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log for a specific error message that happens with jessie, and
23:32<kingsley__>b.) consider trying the video driver named "nouveau".
23:36<Amarande>ryouma: pick up an R7 240 or so
23:37<Amarande>only about $60-70, reasonably current, works well in linux
23:37<Amarande>if you've got about $120, an R7 260X will work fine in jessie
23:37<Amarande>(don't get the R7 360 even though it's about the same GPU, AMD hasn't even issued windows drivers for the 300 series yet that I know of, let alone linux)
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23:43<ryouma>kingsley__: i am quite ignorant about this stuff, but i thought nouveau was for nvidia, not radeon? also, i don't get why upgrading to jessie introduces a regression in supported hardware. Amarande thanks. but i would want something much cheaper (or will have to get a new computer).
23:44<ryouma>Amarande: i've taken down the note anyway, in case there is no other option
23:45<Amarande>ryouma: about the cheapest relatively current card is the HD 6450
23:45<Amarande>that's about $40, IIRC
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23:46<Amarande>it's getting rough for owners of older hardware these days, especially since lowest-end video cards are being all but phased out, since AMD/Nvidia basically expect you to have integrated graphics nowadays
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23:49<ryouma>Amarande: but why does the free driver, which works in wheezy, /stop/ working in jessie?
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23:51<Amarande>hmmm
23:51<Amarande>that's odd, yeah
23:51<Amarande>kingsley__: he has a Radeon, I don't think nouveau will do him much good :)
23:54<kingsley__>ryouma & Amarande: I may owe you an apology for not explicitly suggesting nouveau for the used video card(s) from an electronics recycler.
23:54<kingsley__>I agree that it may not work under some circumstances.
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23:55<kingsley__>However, I hope it's another option that might ultimately lead to a working X in jessie.
23:55<Amarande>but yeah, I basically live in a remote purgatory as far as geekdom goes, so I've never really thought about electronics recyclers as an option to suggest
23:55<Amarande>and ebay mostly deals in the heavier cards (R7 260X, R9)
23:56<kingsley__>ryouma: /var/log/Xorg.0.log might have a helpful error message when you try jessie.
23:56<kingsley__>ryouma: For example, if it says "code xyz failed", well, then you can search Google's indices for that.
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23:58<kingsley__>Amarande: Just watch out if you start dumpster diving and have an uncontrollable urge to watch movies named "Mad Max". ;-)
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