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01:08<dakka>I seem to have been locked out of my server, i installed something called gogs, its just a binary, but even after i kill it i still get this error: you've successfully authenticated, but Gogs does not provide shell access.
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01:09<dakka>I am guessing it changed my user account so it cant gain shell access anymore...hmm i think i just answered my own question
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01:11<dakka>I just tried: chsh -s /bin/bash {username}
01:11<dakka>but that didnt do anything
01:12<dakka>I dont understand how the name of the app is what is preventing me when i have killed it...very confused
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01:15<dakka>I have restarted sshd but that doesnt help either
01:15<dakka>I've checked the install scripts for this gogs thing and i dont see anything to do with my useraccount, i dont know how its taken over
01:17<dakka>google only shows stuff for git when i type that error in there
01:18<dakka>I am assuming there is no one in here to help
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01:22<damjan>what's gogs?
01:22<appas>i don't fully understand the problem. you get that gogs error on attempted login?
01:24<Laogeodritt>damjan appas: gogs is a self-hosted git server application. It allows edternal users to access git repositories hosted on the server over SSH; apparently it intercepts normal SSH connections for the user that gogs is running under (dakka was suggesting that it may have set itself as shell for the user it was installed under)
01:24<dakka>I installed gogs, which is a source management software via a website
01:25<dakka>I killed the process, however when i try and ssh to my box using keys, i get that error
01:25<dakka>my useraccount is dakka not gogs
01:25<dakka>so when i try and ssh i get this now: Hi dakka ! You've successfully authenticated, but Gogs does not provide shell access.
01:25<dakka>I dont understand how gogs is preventing me from logging in
01:26<dakka>I thought perhaps it removed my shell so i used: chsh -s /bin/bash dakka
01:26<dakka>but that hasnt helped
01:26<dakka>gogs is not running, so i cant work out why this is happening, or how
01:27<Laogeodritt>how did you stop gogs / how are you checking whether it's running?
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01:27<phillipsjk>I am trying to generate custom .deb package for software not in the repositories and am a little stuck the dpkg factoid assumes the source tree has a working debian directory.
01:27<dpkg>i guess dpkg-buildpackage is a program in the dpkg-dev package that builds .debs from source. "aptitude install fakeroot devscripts dpkg-dev build-essential" and run 'dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot' in the source directory. Ask me about <package recompile> <debian/rules> <source>.
01:28<dakka>I had it running as a service so i used: sudo systemctl gogs.service stop
01:28<dakka>i checked using: sudo ps aux | grep gogs
01:28<damjan>gogs not in repos
01:28<phillipsjk>I get an erro that debina/changelog does not exist. I tried writing a file and got parse errors
01:28<dakka>no its a binary
01:28<dakka>I installed it via scripts
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01:30<phillipsjk>This may be the doc I want:
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01:30<dakka>I have checked the scripts, but my knowledge of linux is very limited, so i cant see anything in there that messes with my account
01:30<damjan>dakka: now you'll have to check what the script did
01:30<damjan>what files did they touch
01:31<dakka>I just dont know enough
01:31<damjan>dakka: then never run random scripts from the internet :)
01:31<dakka>no i checked that file, i know sshd_config intimately and that has not changed
01:31<damjan>I hope it didn't modify pam
01:31<dakka>they arent random scripts, its the install script for this app. and they look very simple
01:31<damjan>what about your .profile .bash_profile etc
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01:32<dakka>hmm, i didnt check those...will check now...not sure if i will understand them, but maybe it will
01:32<dakka>the app does use pam
01:32<dakka>is that related to ssh keys and shell access?
01:33<dakka>if i knew how to generate that error, i could reverse it, i have never seen that before
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01:34<dakka>.profile looks ok
01:34<damjan>where's the install script?
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01:35<dakka>its in my home directory, i made a directory gogs, and out everything in there, thats where the start and install scripts are
01:35<dakka>they are fairly short scripts
01:37<dakka>dont have a .bash_profile
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01:38<dakka>wow i cant believe i did this...i try and be careful about anything that tampers with user accounts, i saw no mention of this doing anything like that
01:38<dakka>I am wondering if git can somehow do this, maybe i should uninstall git? Or will that not reverse anything got may have done
01:39<dakka>oh wait, i just remembered a web installer, i wonder if that did it
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01:40<Laogeodritt>dakka: the message you encountered is in gogs' source code, so that suggests that either gogs is being run when you SSH in (e.g. could work with your default shell hypothesis) or that it's running in the background
01:41<Laogeodritt>also could you double check that your shell is correctly set in /etc/passwd? I know you tried chsh but just to be sure
01:42<dakka>yes i see /bin/bash in /etc/passwd
01:43<damjan>dakka: do you ssh with a password or key?
01:43<dakka>I usually use a key, that is what is not working anymore
01:43<damjan>check ~/.ssh/authorized_keys for forced command
01:43<dakka>I can still login with a password without issues
01:43<appas>i have bad experiences with these after-market git hosting solutions. i'd recommend the DIY route to hosting git repos
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01:44<dakka>I initially was trying to get gitlab working, after 3 days i gave up
01:44<damjan>it's not that hard
01:44<dakka>got this working in about 30mins, thought it was great, until i just tried to
01:44<dakka>i could easily install gitlab on a blank system, but i couldnt get it working on my existing server
01:45<dakka>every article and help suggestion was totally different, i must have tried dozens, none i have up
01:45<dakka>at any rate, i just want this junk removed from my system now
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01:45<dakka>last thing is my ssh key login
01:46<dakka>i wish i knew how its still saying gogs when i ssh, i thought everything to do with ssh was in sshd_conf
01:46<appas>yeah, i can't remember the name of the "easy" git hosting solution i tried, but in the end it was far better to just use git and set up the hosting myself, which is what i should've done to begin with, and what i'd recommend to anyone wanting to host git repos
01:46<damjan>[07:43] <damjan> check ~/.ssh/authorized_keys for forced command
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01:46<dakka>i am obviously missing something vital about either ssh or a user environment
01:47<dakka>damjan....i think i love u!
01:47<dakka>so dumb, i know to check there, i only just learned about the commands in that i feel incredibly
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01:49<dakka>I'm back in, thank you very much! I appreciate the patience folks
01:50<dakka>appas, i wanted a web front end to the repos so i could use an issues register, code review, etc
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01:50<dakka>the devs requested gitlab, as thats what we had before, but i couldnt get it installed in an existing system
01:51<dakka>I might have to just forkout for a new server just for that, the documentation from gitlab does not reflect the install or how their application works
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01:51<Laogeodritt>dakka: I'd say it's probably worth looking into gitlab again, depending on how much effort you put in the first time around. I've not used it (our company settled on bitbucket in the end to avoid self-hosting issues, given our IT guy is already overworked) but it's come highly recommended to me
01:51<dakka>its way over my head too, it uses so many moving parts i got lost just trying to work out all the things involved
01:52<Laogeodritt>dakka: have you googled around to see if it's possible to install on an existing system alongside other services?
01:52<dakka>Yes i did, i dd that before i attempted it, and it looked pitifully easy
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01:52<dakka>but nothing in those instructions reflect reality
01:52<Laogeodritt>Huh, odd. Never fun when that happens...
01:52<dakka>it was a brilliant product tho
01:53<dakka>I will have another go, but I did spend an awful lot of time on it without success
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01:53<dakka>I am still learning to use linux properly, but so far i have managed to install anything any1 has asked me to
01:54<damjan>dunno what your problem was, gitlab is mostly just a rails app
01:54<dakka>some have been harder than others, but i have always worked it out, gitlab is my first failure after dozens of manual installs of all kinds of server products
01:54<dakka>my problem is i have no idea what i am
01:54<dakka>I have enough linux knowledge to be dangerous, as in i am really good at wrecking stuff now...hehe
01:55<damjan>I haven't investigate how much the 'git' user is baked in. I just installed it in /home/git as it asks
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01:55<dakka>I just couldnt get the gitlab web app to show up in a web browser
01:55<dakka>i worked through all the errors in the error logs and i was able to compile/install without errors
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01:56<dakka>I just couldnt get gitlab to display in a web browser, no matter what i did I would get the default website
01:56<Laogeodritt>dakka: "default website"?
01:56<dakka>I already have several apps and products running, without issue.
01:57<dakka>in this example i am using nginx, so when i try and point it to gitlab, it just shows the default nginx index.html file
01:57<Laogeodritt>"try and point it to gitlab" -> what's "it" in this situation?
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01:57<dakka>sorry i am not speaking properly...
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01:58<dakka>I was trying to add a vhost via ngin to display gitlab
01:58<dakka>I tried using a separate conf file, as well as editing the existing (which i dont normally do)
01:58<dakka>no matter what i did, that default index.html file kept showing
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01:59<appas>nginx default?
01:59<dakka>I used my own methods and got nginx to show the gitlab web folder, but its not just a website, so u cant just add the normal website conf to nginx
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02:00<dakka>nginx has a default host file, similar to apache2
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02:00<dakka>you know the files that live in sites-available and then are symlinked to sites-enabled
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02:01<dakka>there are all kinds of things i dont understand, which is why i failed. I have never used things like unicorn, ruby, and a host of other things it seems to need
02:01<Laogeodritt>eh... sounds like a vhost config issue rather than a gitlab one. Could you get a vhost configured without gitlab? (Someone else can probably help more for that—I use apache primarily, not nginx, and haven't had to set up any systems that involve directing incoming connections to applications that aren't the server.)
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02:01<dakka>yea i have several sites setup, some are apps too...gitlab seemed installed ok, was just my failure to get nginx to load it as a web app
02:02<dakka>Yea i have never used nginx before, i installed it on a new server and installed a whole bunch of stuff on there to learn it
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02:02<dakka>everything went smoothly till i got to
02:02<dakka>strangely enough, gitlab seems to use nginx by default
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02:03<dakka>i will have another go at it when i am feeling more confident, for now its on the back burner
02:03<dakka>i should note, installing on a blank system was childs I was trying to cheat by seeing how it was working on a blank system
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02:04<dakka>anyways, i got to go now. thanks a lot for the help! I am sure i wont forget those commands in the authorized_keys again..hehe
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02:40<Laogeodritt>dakka: I think nginx is generally favoured for being lightweight so it's good for these kinds of applications, not sure if there's also a security argument. (Again, not an nginx user, I barely know anything about it except having set up a very barebones server.)
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02:47<mdi>Morning. I have a dual-cpu xeon system, which I recently upgraded from 4 GB ram to 64 GB ram. Ever since linux stopped booting. It shows grub, and after I start linux it instantly reboots. I've then tried using the debian 8.1 installer, but there the same happens. I see the installation menu, but after starting the installer it instantly reboots. memtest86 show no problem though, and also
02:47<mdi>windows 7 boots normally. Would you know what could the problem? Do I need a specific installer?
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02:56<Laogeodritt>mdi: are you running a 64-bit version of debian? Can you check the previous syslog/kernel logs to see if there's anything immediately before the reboot?
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02:58<mdi>It is AMD64, and since the memory upgrade I did a normal shutdown
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03:24<pencilandpaper>did you happen to try and boot from any of the advanced boot options mdi just to see what would happen?
03:25<pencilandpaper>i think that its only sysvinit though now that i think of it, as well as recovery mode right?
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03:43<makc>привет всем!
03:43<makc>не могли бы помочь мне?
03:44<makc>hi all! can you help me please&
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03:47<harmony_>она што стан?
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03:55<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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04:04<makc>моя пробоема:
04:04<makc>при установке линукс был случайно отформатирован раздел с данными на отдельном жестком диске. Раздел на диске был один, на все свободное пространство диска. Переразметка не проводилась. Формат раздела ехт4. Тестдиск не помогает. Выполнял в след порядке:
04:04<makc>выбирал свой физический диск, потом анализ, потом куик сеарч, потом дипер сеарч. Проходит сканирование, ничего нового, также одна папка только лост+фоунд. Пробовал через тестдиск записать новую найденную разметку, после перезагрузки ничего нового. Подск
04:04<makc>ажите какой утилитой можно восстановить файлы из ех4. Запись на диск не производилась.
04:06<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian ( (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
04:06<makc>then i install debian 7 im format partion with data. help me haw i can recovery this data. testdisk cant help, i tried. this data part was not writed after delete. part format ext4
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04:10<planetmaker>makc, first thing to do: mount the drive as read-only, thus nothing can get written there
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04:46<blami>hi I have two multiarch systems, on one of them I see i386 packages mixed with amd64 (which I like) in aptitude; on second, newer one I see first i386 packages and then amd64 ones (it's primary amd64 system) any way to make them mixed?
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05:00<petn-randall>blami: It's not quite clear to which view in aptitude you are referring to.
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05:21<blami>petn-randall: package list, the one shown after running aptitude
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05:22<blami>petn-randall: when I start aptitude on machine A and navigate to Not Installed Packages/admin/main I see 0install and then 0install:i386
05:23<blami>petn-randall: while on the second machine there's only 0install, 0install-core then whole bunch of packages for amd64 and then after them again 0install:i386
05:25<blami>petn-randall: but nevermind, I reconstructed the cache and problem went away
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05:27<peter1138>Failing to get my Plantronic headset buttons to work :(
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06:19<Dragonforce>Hello everyone how can I install pepperflashplugin-nonfree on jessie ?
06:19<Dragonforce>It's listed here
06:19<Dragonforce>but apt-get/aptitude doesn't seem to find it
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06:20<petn-randall>!tell Dragonforce -about non-free
06:20<petn-randall>Dragonforce: You probably have to enable non-free. Check the instructions that dpkg sent you.
06:20<musca>,v pepperflashplugin-nonfree
06:20<judd>Package: pepperflashplugin-nonfree on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/contrib: 1.4~bpo60+1; sid/contrib: 1.8.1; jessie/contrib: 1.8.1; stretch/contrib: 1.8.1
06:21<musca>no, it's in the contrib section
06:21<petn-randall>Oh well, contrib then.
06:21<petn-randall>!tell Dragonforce -about contrib
06:22<Dragonforce>I'm new to linux
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06:22<Dragonforce>how do I install this package from contrib
06:22<peter1138>Read what dpkg wrote to you in a private message.
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06:34<Dragonforce>I've noticed also that my downloading speed on linux is significantly slower than on windows... I wonder what's the cause.
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06:35<Dragonforce>Downloading some file on windows using the browser up to 1mb/s with my speed and on linux it goes only up to 50kb/s
06:36<Dragonforce>But on vps with linux server hosted speed is great. There must be some problem on the local side
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06:58<debijit>helo, i find a orphaned package, how to take it,,
06:59<debijit>Is it ITP?,,
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07:05<appas>i'd like to know as well. there's a package i'd like to work on, and i've emailed the maintainer, but they've not replied. if they don't, i thought i might adopt the package. there's the new maintainer guide, but as the name implies, it deals with the process of becoming the maintainer of software not previously offered for debian:
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07:14<debijit>appas, I searched some, and find ITA -intend to adopt.
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07:53<appas>hey, any ideas why pkg-config says "Package python-gtk2 was not found in the pkg-config search path.", even though it's installed and eg. "apt-cache show python-gtk2" shows the info?
07:53<themill>you'd be wanting python-gtk2-dev if you're compiling things
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07:54<appas>oh yeah
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08:00<appas>ah... and pkg-config apparently uses package names unrelated to apt packages
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08:10<themill>yeah, it's the pkg-config package name (that is the one that the developer would use) not the debian package name
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08:27<cae>I'm not sure why daemon/bin/sys/... users are given a nologin shell on Jessie upgrade, it's documented here but without giving a real reason
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08:28<cae>is there something more than "forgotten users with valid login shell could be a security hazard"?
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08:39<at0m|c>cae: made sense to me that sane and www-data don't run bash
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08:40<at0m|c>it didn't prompt me for UID's >999
08:41<cae>at0m|c: right, it does not seem dumb at all, but I didn't found something like "we did this because ..."
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08:42<cae>(I'm using 'su nobody -c some_non_root_action' somewhere and stubled over this change
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08:47<realmurf>Hi, brief question to "Depends:" filed of a package: If I specified "Depends: A | B", would this be the very same as
08:47<realmurf>"B|A" or is this evaluated form left to right?
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08:48<realmurf>i.e. if both packages A and B were available, which one would end up being installed?
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08:51<themill>the first mentioned (but if the resolver is already planning to install another one because of some other dependency elsewhere in the chain ...)
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08:54<realmurf>themill: ok, so without deeper knowledge of apt-get's/aptitude's resolver it won't be easy to figure this one out... *sigh*
08:54<realmurf>themill: thanks!
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08:54<themill>it's not the resolver so much as all the other packages on the system already and all the other packages that might be drawn into the installation as a result of the command you've issued
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08:58<appas>why would python cry about "ImportError: No module named 'dbus'", when python-dbus and python-dbus-dev are, in fact, installed?
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09:10<appas>ah... there's python-dbus, and then there's python3-dbus.
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09:29<SamB_laptop>appas: yeah, I just hope /usr/bin/python never ends up running Python 3
09:30<SamB_laptop>I still think I remember the LAST time it changed major versions
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09:31<muep>the current recommendation seems to be that /usr/bin/python points to python 2
09:32<muep>regardless, I think it would be a good idea to change scripts that need python 2 to explicitly request python2
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09:40<SamB_laptop>muep: perhaps, but I'm not sure how long that's been reliably installed for
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09:54<konrad_>Why GDebi doesn't install package for me when using it from context menu ?
09:54<konrad_>It only works with command
09:55<CaBa>i'm using nfs4 with debian 8.1 on the host end. client and host use the same ldap nss backend... however, on the clients i see only one uid/gid for all files, as if they were squashed.
09:55<CaBa>when i mount with vers=3 everything looks fine
09:55<appas>konrad_: what happens when you run it from the context menu?
09:55<CaBa>is there anything idmap wise that i should look into?
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09:55<konrad_>It asks me for password I type it and the window just closes
09:55<konrad_>Nothing really happens after entering the password
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10:09<iamrohit7>i accidentally removed gnome-shell and gnome-session packages from my system and cannot login back to gnome shell. i tried reinstalling entire gnome shell package and also the packages individually but i still get a blank screen. debian sid
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10:12<dpkg>from memory, sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
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10:12<petn-randall>iamrohit7: testing/sid are supported in #debian-next.
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10:16<tarvid>I have installed wp in a user directory and commented the last 5 lines in php5.conf but php does not run in /homt/<USER>/public_html/phpinfoi.php
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10:31<tarvid>I can't get php5 to run in user directories
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10:32<tarvid>PHP5 runs in /var/www/html
10:32<tarvid>why is this so difficult?
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10:33<OdyX>tarvid: because it's a privilege escalation.
10:34<OdyX>tarvid: see e.g.
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10:38<tarvid>OdyX, I've commented the 5 lines, restarted apache and phpinfo.php still will not run
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10:41<azepeda>Do you know how to install a specific version of Debian (8.0) preventing the updates. After the install I see the os is now 8.1 but I really need a 8.0. I am using libvirt, but after the deattach-interface the installer can not go on...
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10:45<konrad_>How can I disable default dock in XFCE ?
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10:49<konrad_>ok got it
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11:01<flint>Hello. can you help me please? I dont know how to setting resolution of my screen...
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11:02<musca>hello flint, what desktop are you using?
11:04<flint>i use debian 8.10 (the last) jessie
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11:11<flint>musca, my desktop is kde
11:11<appas>flint: arandr lets you do it
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11:12<flint>i have to install it, 2 seconds
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11:13<piper>flint: maybe something like xrandr -s 1920x1080 change it to whatever suits you
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11:14<flint>"no protocol specified, can't open display :O"
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11:15<flint>arandr : "No protocol specified
11:15<flint>/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/ GtkWarning: could not open display
11:15<flint> warnings.warn(str(e), _gtk.Warning)
11:15<flint>/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/screenlayout/ Warning: invalid (NULL) pointer instance
11:15<flint> self.window = window = gtk.Window()
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11:16<piper>hmm, xrandr is gone now, my bad
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11:20<piper> xrandr -s 1920x1080 this still works just changed 4 times with no problems
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12:20<inikke>are u there?
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12:28<petn-randall>hi inikke, yes, there's hundreds of us.
12:29<qt>all debianists
12:29<inikke>hi randall
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12:57<exoplanet>Hello, i succesfully started a second x session on jessie. But as root which makes me uncomfortable. How i can i run a xsession with user permissions?
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12:58<Brigo>exoplanet, with startx command
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12:59<Brigo>from xinit package
12:59<Amarande>yeah, you should never be running x as root (except of course for GUI login managers)
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12:59<Amarande>even using windows as administrator all the time is less dangerous than running x as root
13:00<Amarande>(well, in theory anyway. in practise you probably will get away with running x as root more often, mainly because of the paucity of effective malware for linux)
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13:03<petn-randall>Amarande: That's a daring statement.
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13:04<retrospectacus>lots of linux GUI software simply refuses to run for root
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13:04<exoplanet>Nobody got fired for "sudo DISPLAY=:1.0 startx /usr/bin/xterm top $* -- :1"
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13:11<Amarande>petn-randall: not to say there's none, but the vast majority of attackers target windows
13:11<Amarande>and that's probably especially true nowadays
13:11<Amarande>because malware focus has shifted from the petulant destructiveness of yore to being a big-money business
13:12<Amarande>business targets where the profits are, the profits are windows pc's, not only because there's way more of them (sometimes it's good to be the 1%)
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13:12<exoplanet>I just realised that my user can only run it from the console because of the /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config. Can be changed via `dpkg-reconfigure x11-common` or just run your commands from a tty.
13:12*exoplanet added that for the irc log.
13:12<Amarande>but also because most desktop/laptop linux users are likely to be considerably more tech savvy than most windows users (as in, we're not GOING to be doing silly stuff like running X as root)
13:13<Amarande>and therefore are considerably harder targets, even further cratering the ROI for cybercrime outfits
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13:14<petn-randall>Amarande: You just stated the opposite though. That running Windows as Admin is *less* dangerous than running X as root.
13:15<Amarande>petn-randall: well, in theory, assuming that both were attacked equally, that would be true
13:15<petn-randall>Amarande: I wouldn't even distinguish and just say that it's both pretty careless.
13:16<Amarande>of course, as I also said, part of the reason linux machines aren't attacked that much in the first place is because we're careful enough *not* to do things like run X as root
13:17<Amarande>whereas most windows users run as an admin account all the time
13:17<Amarande>(in fact, microsoft's slipped backward in that regard ... the whole your MS account is also your Windows account thing actually encourages people to do that more often *sigh*)
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13:24<exoplanet>any idea why tmux running in tty1 is not regarded as a console? /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config or is just a good old tty plain without anything in between?
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13:49<retrospectacus>exoplanet: "w" will tell you what commands are running on tty vs. pts
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13:50<retrospectacus>or ps, or others
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13:51<ryouma>LC_MESSAGES is taking up 22GB of my rsnapshot backups total. i wonder if debian has a non-kludgey way of saying "i'm mostly interested in english"? i'm aware there is some kludgey thing you can do.
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14:23<exoplanet>thanks for the tip retrospectacus
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14:29<jhutchins>ryouma: My /usr/share/locale is 489M.
14:30<ryouma>jhutchins: rsnapshot does not take a single snapshot
14:30<ryouma>messages changes frequently enough, and is present in so many places, that total is huge
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14:31<jhutchins>ryouma: THere are other LC_MESSAGES trees for things like python etc.
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14:32<ryouma>if you add them together, taking a snapshot every once in a while, and they dominate all other files with same basename on the system in size, by a huge margin
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14:33<ryouma>maybe about half of the entire backup
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14:44<maxy>ryouma: You could use localepurge, although, it might not be the best plan to backup the package contents.
14:44<ryouma>yeah that was the one i was thinking of. back up which package contents?
14:45<maxy>To which LC_MESSAGES are you refering?
14:46<ryouma>all of them
14:46<maxy>right, and why are you backing them up?
14:48<ryouma>i don't feel the need to justify that
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14:48<ryouma>"it might not be the best plan to backup the package contents" is unclear
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14:49<ryouma>so i was asking what you meant
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14:54<mgv>ryouma: there is no need to backup files that come from Debian packages (for example everything under /usr/ except /usr/local), since they can be easily replaced (by reinstalling a package)
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15:07<ryouma>mgv: that's a good point that you can replace them, but taking snapshots over time can be tremendously useful in debugging or tracing changes on the system
15:08<ryouma>it's just strange that one particular file dominates everythign else in debian, at least with my set of packages
15:08<ryouma>(not that strange, just wondering if htere were another way of eliminating them. not likely, just thought therte might be)
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15:09<mgv>localepurge is the stnadard way to remove localizations
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15:50<santexnik>is there a system log aplication like ksystemlog
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15:53<babilen>ksystemlog would be like ksystemlog
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15:56<santexnik>it was comfortable to read logs
15:56<santexnik>ksystemlog dosnt works depends on file
15:56<santexnik>i ave the 14 virsion of that file but ksystemlog needs the virsion 10
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15:59<santexnik>can somebody chek my dmesg see if it looks ok or not
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16:01<appas>santexnik: uhh, what version are you talking about? i see no mention of any dependency that requires an older version of a package than is available
16:02<santexnik>now it installed
16:02<trico>im using kde on jessie 8 amd64. i have two screens and everytime i reboot, i need to reconfigure the second screen after i log in. how do i make kde keep the screen config? worked perfectly in wheezy
16:03<santexnik>my apper shows 2 of thouse the same virsion
16:04<trico>gpu is intel, and second screen is connected with dp, if that matters
16:05<santexnik>the ksystemlog tool dosnt works
16:05<santexnik>it keeps crashing
16:05<santexnik>when i switch to read diferent logs
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16:06<santexnik>crash information could not be generated that what it shows
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16:06<santexnik>the debugger aplication is missing or could not be launched
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16:07<appas>santexnik: there doesn't seem to be a -dbg package for it, either. maybe look in the BTS for this issue, if it hasn't been reported, consider doing so
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16:07<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>.
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16:08<santexnik>there some gdb app there
16:08<santexnik>not sure if its for the ksystemlog
16:08<santexnik>but that didnt work ether
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16:09<santexnik>the gnu debugger 7.7.1
16:10<santexnik>do i need to reboot ?
16:10<aswin>Hi How to remove klotski mahjongg tetravex and nibbles frommy debian 8
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16:16<retrospectacus>aswin: they are part of the gnome-games package.
16:16<retrospectacus>judd depends gnome-games
16:16<judd>Package gnome-games in jessie/amd64 -- depends: aisleriot (>= 1:3.14), gnome-chess (>= 1:3.14), five-or-more (>= 1:3.14), four-in-a-row (>= 1:3.14), gnome-nibbles (>= 1:3.14), gnome-robots (>= 1:3.14), gnome-sudoku (>= 1:3.14), gnome-mines (>= 1:3.14), gnome-tetravex (>= 1:3.14), gnome-klotski (>= 1:3.14), tali (>= 1:3.14), hitori (>= 3.14), iagno (>= 1:3.14), lightsoff (>= 1:3.14), gnome-mahjongg (>=
16:16<judd>1:3.14), quadrapassel (>= 1:3.14), swell-foop (>= 1:3.14).
16:16<retrospectacus>aswin: you can remove gnome games, then reinstall those games you want to keep
16:17<aswin>I dont want any of them
16:17<retrospectacus>then remove gnome-games package
16:18<aswin>Ha ha so strange, Its still there !
16:18<appas>trico: do you have an xorg.conf?
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16:18<retrospectacus>aswin: they might be marked manual. remove the packages individually, e.g. gnome-nibbles
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16:19<aswin>Yeh I am trying it. And its working ! Cool
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16:20<trico>appas: i dont think so. it would be in /etc/X11 right?
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16:20<aswin>retrospectacus, What is the difference between purge and remove
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16:21<aswin>oscarin, hola :)
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16:25<appas>trico: yup. you could try arandr, it has the ability to save layouts. if that's not enough, maybe make a startup script that applies the layout
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16:25<trico>appas: i deleted krandrc and will test a little later to see if that worked
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16:31<arthur>eae grummund
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16:35<jhutchins>aswin: remove removes binary files, purge also removes config files.
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17:15<greenbagels>So I'm trying to install debian 8 netinst under UEFI and grub is failing to install
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17:26<greenbagels>Anyone have any experience with this issue?
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17:28<TheDragon_>Greenbaels, UEFI support was experimental the last time I checked. I tried and it failed. There is usually an option in BIOS to enable/disable UEFI. I disabled UEFI, installed Debian on a seperate partition from my Windows 8, and everything has worked perfectly since. If I need to use Windows 8, I just reenable UEFI before I boot and if I want to use Debian, I leave it disabled.
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17:31<greenbagels>TheDragon_ yeah I don't *need* uefi but thought it'd be better to embrace it now rather than later
17:31<greenbagels>Guess I'll go back to bios for now
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17:33<devrikx>greenbagels: I consistently install uefi without any issue using Jessie, what is the error you get when the grub installation fails? ( please). What are your system specs? (Proc, Motherboard, Major hardware types)
17:35<devrikx>Also, if you're doing any special partitioning -> please let me know. And lastly, are you doing a UEFI install by booting a UEFI installer that you've personally packed firmware into?
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17:39<devrikx>There are tons of advantes to UEFI installs, mainly that you end up with an EFI file-system and GPT partition table. This setup has several advantages, though my favorite 3 are: 1) No limit of 4 physical partitions 2) Boot data recorded on first AND last 512 bytes of the hard-drive which = greater stability and integrity 3) Support for >= 3TB partitions.
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17:41<devrikx>UEFI support is baked into Debian from Jessie onward - assuming you build the installer correctly.
17:41<greenbagels>I used unetbootin to put a 8.1 netinst image onto a usb
17:42<devrikx>That _should_ be ok usually, though I've been seeing _tons_ of complaints about unetbootin lately all over stackexchange and linux forums
17:42<greenbagels>I'll try putting another method then
17:43<devrikx>I'd recommend formatting a usb drive using a GPT partition table and doing a simple if/of write to the drive with a compatible image
17:43<TheDragon_>Unetbootin tries to do more work than it needs to, often leading to corrupted images being written.
17:43<TheDragon_>Use Rufus if you're on Windows.
17:43<TheDragon_>If you're on *nix, "man dd".
17:43<devrikx>You might also want to download the firmware collection, and put it on the root of the drive
17:43<devrikx>ah, thedragon thank you for putting the correct reference (dd)
17:46<TheDragon_>yep. And the firmware is key. Try installing without it, and you'll be sorry you tried. For my computer, sadly, nonfree Realtek firmware was needed. I extracted the Debian package that provides the firmware to the root of another USB device (I'm not sure if it will work on the device you write the image file to) and plugged it in when prompted for firmware.
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17:46<TheDragon_>*Edit: I extracted the package and copied the individual firmware files to the root of the other USB device
17:47<devrikx>TheDragon, I had that issue on my ASUS 2-in-1, had to deal with an intel wifi chipset when I was away from a drive big enough to hold the full dvd iso installer....such a pain
17:48<TheDragon_>Sucks. This is why people move to Ubuntu. Quite sad, really.
17:49<aswin>Hi have any one used labstreaminglayer(lsl)
17:49<aswin>how to install liblsl in debian
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17:50<devrikx>aswin: I don't see it in the repository, you might have to build from source or try an ubuntu package maybe (doubt if that is a supported solution though)
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17:51<appas>don't try an ubuntu package.
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17:51<appas>dpkg: frankendebian
17:51<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
17:52<devrikx>why I said (doubt if that is a supported solution)
17:53<appas>not only is it not supported, it's unadvisable. i've learned this the hard way (using the debian package system led me to believe that ubuntu is binary compatible)
17:53<devrikx>aswin: searching google also references libzmq3 - I'm not familiar with the library you seek, but perhaps that can give you some direction
17:53<appas>building from source is usually not that hard. i did it today for software that's packaged for ubuntu, and only had to wrestle a little bit.
17:53<devrikx>that's where an ubuntu package would come in handy
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17:54<aswin>devrikx, No thats some think different
17:54<appas>of course, building from source and make install'ing is also not that supported, i guess... dunno the official stance of this channel or Debian to software from outside of the repos ;/
17:55<devrikx>appas: probably none of it is advisable :P
17:55<aswin>devrikx, I will try to install it from the source
17:55<aswin>devrikx, The liblsl is from Swartz lab
17:56<aswin>May be there is some license issue to make it as a package
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17:57<aswin>If the source code is Free in terms of 'freedom' I can make a new package for debian
17:57<devrikx>Well Debian does have the non-free repository
17:58<aswin>Yeh I know :)
17:58<devrikx>You can essentially package any software you like, Debian just won't ship it if it doesn't meet the DFSG
17:58<devrikx>Yea if you are motivated, go for it :)
17:59<aswin>making a .deb package for personal use is not exciting :P
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17:59<aswin>If it goes to mainstream then it is :)
18:00<devrikx>I can understand that, but if it's part of your current itch it shouldn't be so bad - besides, it may gain popularity once its available
18:00<aswin>Ha Ha
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18:04<aswin>devrikx, I was using fedora for a last 2 years. I hated it because RedHat is making fedorians as thier testing platform
18:05<devrikx>Yea, RHEL supplies a _lot_ of free enterprise-grade software to the world though, they are allowed to do that :) And they pay people ya know, to work on other OSs as well, ensuring packages available to them. They also pay their Fedora developers. So they have some play room
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18:06<devrikx>However, I'm here because I love debian so much more than any other OS
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18:06<aswin>now I fall in love with Debian :)
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18:08<devrikx>It is amazing when you think that nobody here is paid, yet look at the status of this OS, and the fact that others fork this OS as the base for theirs :) Anyhow, this is a bit off-topic so we should prolly can this conversation for the off-topic channel :)
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18:10<greenbagels>devrikx so im making an efi partition on a ssd
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18:10<greenbagels>Then encrypted partitions on the ssd and an hdd
18:11<greenbagels>Which contain / /var /home etc
18:11<appas>devrikx: yeah, and there's not even any merchandise sold, just checked today. i've also been in love with debian, esp. since switching to unstable.
18:11<devrikx>greenbagels: this you are doing from within the UEFI installer?
18:13<devrikx>ok, this might be an easier way for you to see what is usually there: 1. select the drive in question from the list in partition window (make sure its not the partition, but the whole drive) -> choose GPT for the partition table. 2. Select free space (the free unallocated space) and then choose 'automatically partition drives using whole drive'.
18:13<devrikx>At this point inspect the partitions
18:13<appas>but about packaging software, does anyone have any experience with automated builds & packaging? the package i worked on today is also lacking a debian package (the one built for ubuntu does not count, it's debian only in name), i thought i'd try to make one, but i don't want to manually keep up with upstream, apply changes, rebuild and resubmit
18:14<greenbagels>Well I'm manually doing it
18:14<devrikx>greenbagels: From this you should see what partitions are defaulted for the EFI system, just nodify the other partitions accordingly
18:14<appas>the ubuntu guys have a launchpad repo that does automated builds of the package
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18:14<devrikx>appas: that one is best for debian-mentors channel
18:14<appas>greenbagels: which package(s), if i may ask?
18:15<appas>devrikx: oh yeah, thanks
18:15<greenbagels>appas I'm installing debian
18:16<devrikx>appas: but look into gitlab and gitlab ci, docker, and reprepo, you can see what is possible for example with and ppa.mmogp. When I check in code to my private gitlab instance ( it sends a build request to my gitlab-ci instance ( which utilizes the unofficial gitlab-ci-multi-runner and docker to automate the build (feel free to look at any debian-ha package on and
18:16<devrikx>view the build script)
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18:17<devrikx>further prepping of the docker image, and I could supply an ssh key, and the commands to then upload the successful build to reprepo (signed even) and have them hosted on
18:18<devrikx>completely automated...I plan to do just that eventually (no auto uploading atm), using tagged commits as the prerequisite to use a special private runner instance that will provide the special docker container with the ssh keys etc
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18:19<devrikx>appas: EOT :P
18:20<devrikx>greenbagels: yea hopefully you saw what I meant by all that, its just so you can ensure your partition is as it needs to be (sorry, but I'm unfamiliar with encrypted partitions and such)
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18:20<greenbagels>Yeah I understood
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18:28<appas>devrikx: that sounds like a very nice build system, thanks for the pointers!
18:28<devrikx>appas: np :) It's also compeltely open source and free to use, just doesnt quite do everything you need yet, but feel free to sign up
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18:29<devrikx>I will eventually have it setup for that in the next month or two
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18:41<greenbagels>devrikx still says grub-install dummy failed
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18:42<greenbagels>Might it be the drive?
18:43<greenbagels>Nah it wouldn't be
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19:08<devrikx>oh sorry
19:08<devrikx>didn't see notification
19:09<devrikx>hmm, it is trying to install grub_efi ....~beta right?
19:09<devrikx>greenbagels: ^
19:09<greenbagels>How can I check from the installer
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19:10<greenbagels>The progress bar moves too fast
19:10<devrikx>lol I've been lucky enough to catch it when its just starting the installer
19:10<devrikx>ok have you seen this stack post?
19:10<greenbagels>I saw efi at one point
19:10<devrikx>ok then I'm sure its the right one
19:11<greenbagels>:x wouldn't i need a working linux install for that
19:11<greenbagels>dosfsck i mean
19:12<manurmu>it's sad...there is no help for spanish language :c
19:12<devrikx> should work fairly well for translating between english<->spanish
19:12<devrikx>but it is sad/odd there's no spanish help, but perhaps you could just ask your question, and when a spanish speaker arrives back from afk - they will surely help :)
19:13<greenbagels>I know *some* spanish
19:13<devrikx>maurmu: ^
19:13<manurmu>i there another irc channel? "#debian-es" there is no activity :C
19:14<devrikx>manurmu: best is this
19:14<devrikx>if maybe there is another channel listed there
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19:15<manurmu>mmmm...could be..i'l check it!!
19:15<devrikx>greenbagels: no you can execute the shell from within the install environment, its one of the options in the list
19:15<greenbagels>Dosfsck isn't in the shell
19:15<devrikx>hmm, ok
19:16<greenbagels>Unless I should livecd it up
19:16<greenbagels>And install grub from that
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19:18<devrikx>That may be a method to attempt, definitely. Let me ask: What is the size of your root partition, and are you manually setting swap partition as well?
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19:20<devrikx>greenbagels: THere are some other hints, first is that perhaps if you are manually creating swap space, try instead to let the system decide the swap space. The second is that perhaps your root partition is just too large (not understanding this myself), and to typically keep it under 50GB (25GB seems to be standard) and throw the rest to home (or wherever you want)
19:21<devrikx>These are bits collected from: and
19:21<devrikx>ofc this is only the top 3 links of a google search, but they are related to UEFI and your same error
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19:23<devrikx>Do you happen to have a USB drive available?
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19:25<greenbagels>Heh it's now failing right away when trying to install grub
19:26<greenbagels>O wait
19:26<devrikx>I do my installs via a manually created multi-iso USB, it uses a netinst iso I added hd-media files to, plus firmware...the installer then let's me use a normal netinst image that I didn't modify to do the install, and I can load it from any source. I'm not sure if it will work, but if I was going in circles I might attempt an alternate install source, like for instance loading up that USB you have available
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19:27<zurborg>the clock is ticking.
19:28<devrikx>zurborg: that is freaky, I do actually have to go. lol
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19:30<devrikx>greenbagels: I have to get going - hopefully you work out a solution that puts you back in business. Good luck :)
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20:00<zurborg>any survivors?
20:01<dpkg>Test failed.
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20:09<aidalgol>My gpg-agent doesn't seem to be caching passphrase at all. I run it like so: `ck-launch-session gpg-agent --enable-ssh-support --daemon i3` in my .xinitrc file, and then in an xterm run `gpg2 --sign` twice, and pinentry comes up both times, even though the second invocation was within just a few seconds of the first.
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20:09<aidalgol>gpg-agent(1) says the default cache ttl is 600 seconds.
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21:29<Ettan>I'm about to set up my first FTP(s) server with vsftp and i keep reading everywhere that chroot local users is a security-issue. Can't really understand why, i don't want all my users to be able to browse my entire system and therefore wanted to chroot them to just let's say /home/ftpusers, but it's not recommended, can anyone please explain?
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21:57<Infiltrator>If df and du disagree, where should I start looking? df shows /var as 7.5G used and du shows /var as 4.9G.
22:00<abrotman>open files, file corruption, block size
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22:01<Infiltrator>Yeah, lsof shows a whole heap of open files. Thanks, abrotman.
22:03<Infiltrator>Ettan: Where did you read that chroot is a security issue? I haven't found anything about that after a cursory search.
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22:04<zorrot>(debian wheezy->jessie upgrade, KDE) hey all -- i'm getting a network error in Apper, but aptitude works fine doing the same task, and clearly, i'm online :-)
22:05<Infiltrator>zorrot: What's the error message?
22:06<Infiltrator>zorrot: Also, is this after you've already upgraded or are you about to try?
22:06<zorrot>i've upgraded. the system is otherwise happy
22:06<rhostat>There is nothing better than a smooth running machine with detailed visuals of the processes involved.
22:06<zorrot>so, apper comes up, i hit updates, then check for updates, and: "There is no network connectio available. Please check your connection settings and try again" Details: "Cannot refres cache whilst offline"
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22:07<zorrot>there is one fix i tried, which was about adding "UseNetworkManager = false" to the kpackagekit config
22:07<zorrot>this did not help, however.
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22:11<rhostat>May have stack overflow problems. It's a common problem.
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22:13<Celelibi>Weird bug.
22:13<rhostat>More of a poor driver design.
22:14<Celelibi>I forgot an sshfs asking for a password, and it blocked the command df.
22:14<Celelibi>I'm not sure where I should report this bug.
22:15<rhostat>Hit up the main website and you'll find it.
22:15<Celelibi>I'll report against sshfs.
22:16<Celelibi>it's probably related to fuse, but I'll let them decide.
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22:35<Celelibi>Maybe I should report a bug about reportbug. :)
22:35<appas>why's that?
22:35<Celelibi>Someone already did it actually: #769055
22:35<judd>Bug in reportbug (pending): «reportbug: AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'startswith'»; severity: important; opened: 2014-11-11; last modified: 2015-04-25.
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22:40<rhostat>In the future, self diagnostics will be built into systems to address problems like that before they start.
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22:41<rhostat>I'm really surprized they aren't included yet.
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22:42<rhostat>What's todays date...
22:43<debjusr>wxmaxima crashes when I type "(". It's a fresh install of Debian Jessie. How do I report it to the right person?
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22:46<Celelibi>debjusr: with reportbug. :)
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22:47<debjusr>Celelibi: OK I've just found.
22:48<dpkg>The current date is 2015.07.01 2:48:13 (UTC of course, this is *NIX)
22:49<rhostat>Now add a captian(s) log(s) and you'll be in business again.
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22:50<Celelibi>Yes, this is unix, today is: 1435718993
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22:50<montyboy>Ah, much more comprehensible
22:51<Celelibi>Yeah, we should all write dates like this.
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23:12<manurmu>hi i need help whit minidlna :c
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23:13<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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23:14<manurmu>ok...i installed correctly and always share the music,picture and video files of problem is that my smarttv
23:15<manurmu>does'nt recognize it
23:15<manurmu>only recognize pictures and video
23:16<manurmu>i must say that is the same configuration that i use in ubuntu and has no problem
23:16<manurmu>im in debian jessie
23:17<manurmu>sorry about my english :c
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23:18<appas>your english is fine. so let me get this straight, you use the same minidlna conf in ubuntu and debian, but it only works in debian? or, you have an ubuntu client where your minidlna service works, but some other client where it doesn't?
23:19<manurmu>only im working whit mi laptop and a smarttv
23:19<manurmu>when i was in ubuntu
23:20<manurmu>everything was fine
23:20<manurmu>now in debian only can share two files
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23:20<manurmu>im just sharing pictures video and music folders
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23:21<manurmu>in debian only share video and pictures
23:21<manurmu>i dont know why the music folder does'nt
23:22<appas>what are the versions of the packages? also, could you upload your configuration file to
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23:22<appas>or do you have your ubuntu install anymore? if not, nevermind the versions
23:23<manurmu>ok i'll share only whit debian...i was whit ubuntu..i formated mi laptop and installed debian
23:25<manurmu>i already posted
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23:25<themill>there's a newer minidlna in jessie-backports which might help match versions
23:26<appas>ok, and you migrated over the exact same configuration file, yet experience different behavior? that's strange, i must say i've no experience with minidlna but it seems interesting
23:26<appas>manurmu: could you share the link, please
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23:29<manurmu>yeah..i just known about minidlna 3 weeks ago
23:29<manurmu>is hard get support in my country
23:29<manurmu>im from iquitos peru :3
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23:31<appas>if, at some point, you'd prefer support in spanish (or just want to hang out to maybe help other speakers), theres #debian-es
23:32<manurmu>there is no activity there :C
23:33<appas>yeah i've heard that before... i was slyly trying to recruit more active people to join. sadly, my own spanish is not quite up to snuff :<
23:33<appas>anyway, nothing glaringly obvious in your conf file. does the minidlna server give any debug output when you start it?
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23:35<manurmu>i thought that could be the smart tv that was not able to read those kind of files
23:36<appas>try force-rebuilding the DB with minidlnad -R
23:36<manurmu>that is not the problem
23:36<manurmu>ok...i'll try
23:36<appas>what format is your music?
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23:45<appas>manurmu: have a look at this: i don't know why it would only affect one directory, but it's worth a shot
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23:45<manurmu>ok ty
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23:51<manurmu>well im removing and purging
23:51<manurmu>i will reinstall it
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23:58<appas>let me know how it turns out
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