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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-07-03

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00:04<anonymous__>mike sucs
00:04<anonymous__>mike sucks
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00:07<unknown>mike sucks
00:07<unknown>(\../)
00:07<blackgalaxy>don't say your name on here
00:08<unknown>loic and slowlorris
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00:09<asl> HexChat: 2.10.1 ** OS: Linux 3.16.0-4-686-pae i686 ** Distro: Debian 8.1 ** CPU: 2 x Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N450 @ 1.66GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 1.67GHz ** RAM: Physical: 2.0GiB, 63.8% free ** Disk: Total: 28.2GiB, 68.8% free ** VGA: Intel Corporation Atom Processor D4xx/D5xx/N4xx/N5xx Integrated Graphics Controller ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel ** Ethernet: Qualcomm Atheros AR8132 Fast Ethernet ** Uptime: 7h 54m 31s **
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00:10<unknown>31.13.74.1 everyone hit that ip DDOS
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00:12<unknown>192.168.43.1
00:12<unknown>star.c10r.facebook.com
00:13<unknown>lets try a small website
00:16<blackgalaxy>fuck obama
00:18<unknown>http://www.omegle.com/
00:19<unknown>Server: 192.168.43.1
00:19<unknown>Address: 192.168.43.1#53
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00:19<unknown>Name: www.omegle.com
00:19<unknown>Address: 198.41.180.169
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00:22<unknownx7>Server: 192.168.43.1
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00:22<unknownx7>Non-authoritative answer:
00:22<unknownx7>Name: www.omegle.com
00:22<unknownx7>Address: 198.41.180.169
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00:24<o00o>Having some issues with wine, is there anyone who could lend a hand?
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00:42<debijit>i was packaging cortina for my use, but , i got his error in the middle of packaging. " dpkg-source: error: cannot represent change to po/ar.qm: binary file contents changed"
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00:51<catern>dear #debian
00:52<catern>how do I make a local user on a system configured to auth with kerberos
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00:53<catern>such that it authenticates with a unix password
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01:01<debijit>dpkg-source: error: cannot represent change to po/ar.qm: binary file contents changed" ? what can be this
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01:24<debijit>Can't load translation file:
01:24<debijit>"C.qm in /usr/share/qt4/translations/cortina" any idea about this...
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01:41<shaji>installing odoo and further customization howto
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02:04<CQ>anyone here up for an apache topic?
02:04<CQ>I have apache server running, but it doesn't seem to respect the document root. I upgraded from debian wheezy to jessie, preserved teh conf files, but finctuining seems to be different. I can get to both :80 and :443 on localhost, but both serve only an empty indey instead of teh stuff in /var/www as specified by DocumentRoot
02:06<themill>the config files need substantial changes for the new version of apache
02:06<CQ>well, I found the biggest problem already: I was looking at the wrong config file ... : )
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02:06<themill>heh
02:08<CQ>...but same result
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02:23<CQ>argh. it wants teh conf files to end in .conf now :)
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02:23<CQ>for sites-enabled as well
02:24<jm_>that's mentioned in NEWS.Debian.gz
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02:25<CQ>weeeeell... I didn't read all that when doing wheezy-jessie last night :)
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02:31<themill>CQ: there are other things to do with access restrictions that also need to be updated in your config
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02:32<CQ>themill: where is the info, in the News file?
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02:32<themill>yes, along with relevant links
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02:49<Alissa>I've been poking around some links and saw http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-lua/lua5.3.git/ but I can't apt-get install lua5.3 -- What is this link a reference to?
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02:51<jm_>perhaps it's WIP then
02:52<Alissa>Is there a way to find out when it will be available?
02:52<Alissa>Also, what would have to be done if I wanted to submit or maintain packages for Debian?
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02:53<yaclm>Hello! I'm using gnome and connected to a protected file server wit nautilus. I used the wrong password and now nautilus says I have no permission to read the files but I'm not able to change login data after unmounting and mounting again. Any ideas?
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02:53<Alissa>Why not remount?
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02:54<jm_>Alissa: without becoming a maintainer? forget about it, unless you want to go a different route https://wiki.debian.org/Glossary#sponsor
02:55<Alissa>Got it.
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02:55<jm_>as for lua, maybe check if there arelady is a request to package 5.3 or ask maintainers about it
02:56<Alissa>I actually looked after you said that and apparently there is already a pending request.
02:56<jm_>good job
02:58<Alissa>166 days.
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02:58<Alissa>Which isn't too much in comparison to others.
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03:00<Alissa>Also, does anyone have any experience with oidentd?
03:01<jm_>I have it installed if that's what experience means
03:01<Alissa>The problem I'm currently having is that I want it to act like a normal ident server.
03:01<Alissa>A client connects, sends the ports, and the ident server sends back the username.
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03:01<Alissa>I figured default {\ndefault {\ndeny alltheohterstuff\nallow numeric\n}\n} would work
03:02<Alissa>Apparently it doesn't?
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03:06<jm_>what does "deny alltheohterstuff" mean?
03:07<Alissa>For every other option there, I had deny <option>
03:08<Alissa>Let me get a link to the configuration file.
03:08<yaclm>@Alissa when I unmount and remount nautilus just connects without asking for username/password and says again that I have no permission
03:09<Alissa>https://github.com/hashbang/shell-etc/blob/master/oidentd.conf
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03:11<jm_>deny reply gives me syntax error
03:11<Alissa>got it.
03:11*Alissa goes off to yell at admins
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03:13<jm_>reply needs an argument so that's probably why
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03:14<Alissa>I removed the line. Hopefully that works.
03:14<jm_>and apparently only works with force
03:14<Alissa>I want to make it so users can't force a reply other than their username.
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03:14<Alissa>Since it's an open shell service we kinda can't just hope they won't change a .oidentd.conf or whatever
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03:17<jm_>looks like a missing feature
03:18<Alissa>Just waiting for the admin to restart the service.
03:18<Alissa>I'd be running it on my own server if I hadn't already put an ident daemon I built myself on it.
03:19<Alissa>I'd run it on their servers but they prefer official repositories for now.
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05:34<krion_>hi guys
05:34<krion_>i'm experiencing something like a bug, but i'm not sure
05:34<krion_>looks like performance cpu scaling isn't working appropriatly
05:35<krion_>my scaling_governors is performance, but we still have random freq for each core
05:36<krion_>http://0bin.net/paste/j5-CMT++tDjtSHKZ#axvYB9MxcdhAzLxYy1M3NKQ+qHfw0PbA8TEf90latBQ
05:36<krion_>here is an insight
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05:43<krion_>we force trough the grub
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05:48<jm_>krion_: with pstate used cpufreq no longer works the way it was in the past,
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05:55<pujan14>Hi I recently switched from jessie to testing branch and now applications that use git are not able to access my ssh id_rsa any idea?
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05:56<jm_>for testing ask in #debian-next as the topic says
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05:59<pujan14>I have already asked in debian-next but I thought someone in here might have any idea, I located problem to different SSH_AUTH_SOCK values from my terminal and application's terminal but I have no clue why they are different
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06:00<jm_>so wait for a reply there, this channel is for stable
06:00<pujan14>ok
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06:01<jm_>but while waiting check if you have only one ssh-agent running
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06:05<pujan14>ya, gdm is starting one ssh-agent
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06:08<pujan14>http://paste.debian.net/278376/ this is diff of env from both terminals, it's same user just when I tell git app to drop me to user it's different terminal.
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06:09<jm_>maybe the other is something like gnome-keyring, no idea
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06:09<jm_>i don't use gnome so I don't know
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06:20<mfontani>Hi all, I need some help with a stubborn memcached service not inheriting the file limits I set for "nobody" in limits.conf & consequently flooding my error log with systemd-memcached-wrapper[24556]: accept4(): Too many open files
06:20<mfontani>I'm at my wits' end with this.
06:20<mfontani>(running debian jessie updated)
06:21<jm_>limits.conf is used by pam_limits module, doesn't sound like it would be used for memcached service
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06:22<mfontani>Right, so how can a mere mortal beat memcached into raising its open files limit? prlimit shows its NOFILE as 1024
06:23<jm_>how does it get started?
06:24<mfontani>either /etc/init.d/memcached restart or service memcached restart or systemctl restart memcached.service
06:24<mfontani>stock from debian "aptitude install memcached"
06:25<mfontani>I've got another process that makes very heavy use of memcached, and it not being able to open as many connections to memcached is causing issues on my website
06:26<jm_>man systemd.exec, see LimitNOFILE
06:26<jm_>so you can modify its service file I guess
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06:29<mfontani>my /lib/systemd/system/memcached.service has [Service] LimitNOFILE=10240 and that isn't reflected in the prlimit output for the process
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06:32<jm_>I tried that with some other daemon and it works fine for me, did you run 'systemctl daemon-reload' after changing the file?
06:33<jm_>and systemctl restart ...
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06:35<mfontani>systemctl daemon-reload && systemctl restart memcached.service && prlimit --pid $( pgrep memcached ) | grep NOFILE -> NOFILE max number of open files 1024 1024
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06:37<jm_>works fine for me with smartd, don't have anything else to test with, are you sure the daemon itself does not lower it?
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06:38<mfontani>you are a genious.
06:38<mfontani>it "defaults to" 1024
06:38<mfontani>so -c 8196 - along with everything else - fixes it.
06:39<mfontani>why doesn't it use whatever max files the process has is beyond me
06:39<jm_>yeah you probably still need to change the .service file I guess
06:39<mfontani>thanks!
06:39<jm_>no problem
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06:49<massmc>Testing
06:49<jm_>FAIL
06:49<massmc>Cheers m8
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06:54<mfontani>Thank you very much for your help! Talk soon!
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07:31<Nik05>yes petn-randall they can set their own priority, but preferences should override it...
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07:45<lambIda>hi there. I'm newbie on linux distro and i'm using debian. One question. Have a way to download all dependencies at one time to install a dpkg?
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07:45<lambIda>please
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07:49<lambIda>this place sucks
07:49<lambIda>:(
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08:42<pujan14>Hi my environment variables are different when I execute a script via gnome-launcher(application launcher) and directly as a user from terminal. Is there a way to fix this?
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10:03<Asharas>Hi all!
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10:04<Asharas>I'm running a debian jessie server and when I use a command (e.g sudo service openvpn restart), bash doesn't print anything, and then back to prompt (but the command works)
10:05<Asharas>same thing if I'm user or root
10:05<Asharas>any idea?
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10:05<zanzarakiss>/etc/default/openvpn
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10:08<Punga3>Hello! I'm trying to start an IP-stack on my premade bridge, and unfortunatelly my system lacks dhcpcd, and I can't find a way to install it.
10:09<Punga3>Does anyone know, any workaround, or way to actually install it?
10:09<Asharas>zanzarakiss ?
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10:09<zanzarakiss>y
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10:10<Asharas>I don't understand what you mean. The problem is with every command, not only openvpn
10:11<zanzarakiss>ok, I try...
10:11<zanzarakiss>it seems a openvpn related question
10:11<Asharas>no no, more a shell problem
10:12<Asharas>but I don't know why
10:12<Asharas>it's a fresh install
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10:13<zanzarakiss>what about /etc/init.d/openvpn restart?
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10:15<Asharas>Restarting openvpn (via systemctl): openvpn.service
10:16<Asharas>could it be because of sysV?
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10:16<Asharas>I think jessie doesn't run with initd
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10:18<zanzarakiss>more like systemd... feature!
10:18<zanzarakiss>i never noticed it
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10:18<Asharas>I think i'm going back to wheezy...
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10:18<zanzarakiss>but actually it behaves the same in my jessie server :D
10:19<Asharas>ok, so maybe a systemd feature as you said....
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10:19<Nedim_Guner_Uygun_[TI_Team]>asd
10:19<Nedim_Guner_Uygun_[TI_Team]>as
10:19<Nedim_Guner_Uygun_[TI_Team]>d
10:19<Nedim_Guner_Uygun_[TI_Team]>as
10:19<Nedim_Guner_Uygun_[TI_Team]>d
10:19<Asharas>as
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10:20<Asharas>thanks for checking on your server zanzarakiss :)
10:20<zanzarakiss>you can keep jessie with sysv http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_remove_systemd_from_a_Debian_jessie/sid_installation
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10:58<Asharas>thanks for the link zanzarakiss , but I think it's better to keep systemd and learn ^
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11:01<HaveNoName>hi, some strange things happened to me during the last couple of hours while i was preparing to switch to jessie. starting with something that MAY be a hardware problem and leaving me back without any chance to login to X as user und giving me a warning in the \u field of PS1 when logging in on tty. root works, so something with user management seems broken.
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11:07<HaveNoName>it started with a system freeze again, maybe the graphics card, but now i think it may be the harddisk. an old 80GB seagate, worked so far and i don't like hugh partitions anyway for the system. only this time the reboot didn't work, i had to fsck/fix the system partition from an old live lubuntu, so finally at least i could reboot the system. only there are still some errors left. setterm is not found, i think
11:07<HaveNoName>reinstall util-linux should do it (had some more broken packages before), and during boot user mail isn't found. i had to restaurate passwd from passwd-, may this be a problem? and as said, the login+prompt problems. even with a newly created user. any idea?
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11:09<retrospectacus>check dmesg
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11:16<HaveNoName>the only one that has something possibly looking important is from some time ago: [ 31.764251] sulogin[2208]: segfault at 8 ip 0000000000402107 sp 00007ffc79f20a40 error 4 in sulogin[400000+3000]
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11:19<HaveNoName>i'd think it is something with PAM/Auth, since i can't login to X (only as root), it gives me an error; \u in $PS1 has something like "i have no username", but `set | grep -i user` gives me a couple of hits. and the first thing at boot time is exim that doesn't seem to know the user 'mail'.
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11:22<debijit>I installed cortina- Wallpaper changer for gnome. When i click on icon, nothing happening, when i load through command line, i am getting this message ...
11:23<debijit>Can't load translation file:
11:23<debijit>"C.qm in /usr/share/qt4/translations/cortina"
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11:31<debijit>I looked up the source and I found this ---- QTranslator qtTranslator;
11:31<debijit> if(!qtTranslator.load(QLocale::system().name(), Translation_path)) {
11:31<debijit> if(QLocale::system().name().startsWith("en_") == false) {
11:31<debijit> qDebug() << "Can't load translation file:";
11:31<debijit> qDebug() << QLocale::system().name() + ".qm in " + QLibraryInfo::location(QLibraryInfo::TranslationsPath) + "/cortina";
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11:36<musca>!locales
11:36<dpkg>Use 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates <locale> definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command, ask me about <localised errors>. See also <mac locales>. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale
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11:39<sunoano>looking for a .deb for the offline API browser zeal http://zealdocs.org?
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11:44<sunoano>ok, well, it's in the 'new' queue and awaiting review https://ftp-master.debian.org/new/zeal_20141123-1.html
11:45<sunoano>since 8 months...
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11:50<mohammad-ghasemi>In preferences/applications i've set iceweasel to "always ask" for every action. But it doesn't. For example it start downloading zip files using wget without notification
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11:53<macaronesico>is anyway to icc profile a laptop screen on xcfe?
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12:10<HaveNoName>just right now i'm running the actual live version from a stick. i did `debsums --changed` as in https://raphaelhertzog.com/2011/02/21/debian-cleanup-tip-4-find-broken-packages-and-reinstall-them/ without results but an error: debsums: invalid line (1) in md5sums for open-vm-tools-desktop: \dde14951417e0e9f73b80f871e6540d1 lib/systemd/system/run-vmblock\\x2dfuse.mount
12:10<HaveNoName>maybe a glitch in the image, but would it make sense to run it on my installation?
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12:31<npa_>Print screen doesn't work. How can i get it to work? i am running debian jessie 8.1 gnome 64bit.
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12:33<npa_>!printscreen
12:34<__dest__>
12:34<__dest__>clear
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12:44<retrospectacus>!screenshot
12:44<dpkg>To take a screenshot of your current desktop, you can probably just hit the "PrintScreen" key on your keyboard (Gnome and KDE). Alternatives include ksnapshot, gnome-panel-screenshot, the Gimp's "Acquire->Screenshot", "import -window root screenshot.jpg" (imagemagick package), scrot, xwd. For framebuffer consoles, use fbcat. http://wiki.debian.org/ScreenShots http://screenshots.debian.net/
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12:46<vroiw>hello
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12:47<vroiw>wicd cant find any wifi networks. iwlist <iface> scan works fine
12:47<retrospectacus>there is some setting in wicd to tell it to use your wifi device
12:47<vroiw>this is on fully basic installation with the most recent stable debian netinstaller
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12:48<vroiw>retrospectacus: -.- thanks. problem solved
12:48<retrospectacus>:D
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12:55<f-a_>mhhh, so I have seen people blocking sites by editing /etc/hosts ( somesite.com 127.0.0.1 )
12:55<f-a_>but is there a way to block somesite.com *but* to allow third.somesite.com ?
12:56<f-a_>or in general, some specific url from site X
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13:02<retrospectacus>not with /etc/hosts
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13:13<Celelibi>Is systemd mandatory in debian?
13:13<Celelibi>If not, will it become mandatory?
13:14<valdyn>Celelibi: no one knows that
13:14<lostatwork>it is the default in jessie yes
13:15<retrospectacus>but not mandatory
13:15<Celelibi>Is it still possible to switch to system V ?
13:15<Celelibi>Ok.
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13:16<valdyn>"will systemd be mandatory for many package?", yes likely
13:16<Celelibi>And what's the goal of this actually?
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13:16<valdyn>Celelibi: the goal of what?
13:16<Celelibi>systemd or system V.
13:17<valdyn>Celelibi: its the first process that gets started
13:17<valdyn>Celelibi: so at the very least it has to start processes
13:17<Celelibi>init is part if it?
13:17<Celelibi>of
13:17<valdyn>Celelibi: we are talking about init systems
13:18<Celelibi>Ok, /sbin/init is part of sysvinit on my system.
13:18<valdyn>Celelibi: "system v" itself is a unix release (or standard)
13:18<valdyn>Celelibi: it *is* sysvinit
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13:19<Celelibi>Hm... ok.
13:19<Celelibi>But I read that udev has been "merged" to systemd.
13:20<valdyn>Celelibi: its one source tree
13:20<valdyn>Celelibi: but the whole of any bsd system is *also* one source tree
13:20<valdyn>Celelibi: that does not say a whole lot about how it can be used
13:20<Celelibi>ok
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13:22<Celelibi>What's the link between systemd and udev then?
13:22<Celelibi>I mean, technically.
13:22<valdyn>Celelibi: i dont really know exactly
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13:58<jhutchins>Celelibi: systemd has attempted to mimic the init process for services that have not fully migrated to systemd. In that sense, they've merged. SysV init is still a seperate start-up program, and it's either init or systemd.
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13:59<jhutchins>Celelibi: SysV is System V(5) Unix.
13:59<jhutchins>Celelibi: hald is the hardware abstraction layer daemon. It is meant to detect hardware changes and take appropriate actions.
14:00<jhutchins>Celelibi: To some extent, there's overlap, as both hald and systemd can start, stop, and restart services in response to events on the system.
14:00<jhutchins>Celelibi: Where the division lies, and where it SHOULD lie, are still under debate.
14:02*jhutchins suspects he's been talking to an abandoned screen.
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14:21<looking4>hi, I've been looking through file sharing packages, and found SparkleShare, Tahoe-lafs and git-annex. Am I missing popular other ones?
14:22<looking4>(in Debian repo only)
14:23<r3ng4f>
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14:25<jhutchins>looking4: What do you mean by "file sharing"?
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14:27<retrospectacus>those are kinda drop-box type things
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14:28<looking4>jhutchins: file syncing across several machines + backup
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14:32<jhutchins>looking4: rsync over ssh is simple, reliable, scalable, restartable, and what most people use.
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14:33<jhutchins>looking4: If you want to share a folder from one machine to another you can use NFS, cifs/samba, or there are filesystems that use ssh.
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14:36<jhutchins>looking4: sparkleshare and the git tools are for working with a concurrent versioning system like git, useful when multiple programmers are collaberating on a project.
14:36<petn-randall>looking4: owncloud also allows file syncing. seafile is popular, too, but isn't packaged for Debian (yet). All FOSS.
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14:37<f-a>meh sorry I got disconnected , let me repeat my question: I know you can use /etc/hosts to block some sites, but an you whitelist a specific uri?
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14:37<looking4>thans guys, interesting
14:37<f-a>uri from that site. So: xytz.com (NO) xytz.com/alpha (YES)
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14:43<retrospectacus>f-a: not with /etc/hosts
14:43<f-a>retrospectacus: thanks. Any other method I can use?
14:43<retrospectacus>some browser plugin, or a http proxy
14:44<f-a>that will do, thanks
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14:49<looking4>jhutchins: is it adequate to use rsync with a simple server that would share files across 2 other different local machines?
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14:54<Celelibi>jhutchins: Still there. :)
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14:54<Celelibi>But I don't have a hald on my system that uses systemd.
14:54<Celelibi>I'm confused about what systemd actually does.
14:54<Celelibi>What's its job.
14:55<f-a>Celelibi: I guess "init system", but that's not more clear, isn't it
14:56<Celelibi>Well, I understand what system V does.
14:56<Celelibi>It provides a program called init that handles the startup process.
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14:56<Celelibi>Which means, among other things, it runs the scripts in /etc/init.d
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14:57<Celelibi>But I read everywhere that systemd does more than that.
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15:00<petn-randall>looking4: Watch out though that any syncing service alone won't be enough for backup purposes. If you accidentally overwrite a file, and that gets synced to all other devices, you won't have any old copies anymore.
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15:01<looking4>petn-randall: hmm I think Seafile has a versioning system
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15:01<looking4>but otherwise thats true
15:04<petn-randall>looking4: Yeah, you could also use rdiff-backup to create backups. It internally uses rsync. Just take it into consideration when planning your disaster recovery :)
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15:05<looking4>thanks ;)
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15:12<Gorwell>Hello, how can I lunch a program at startup on XFCE but without seeing the desktop? I mean, I enabled a program to start when XFCE does but i see my desktop, then a console and then the program is launched. Is there a way to avoid this?
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15:17<retrospectacus>!kiosk
15:17<dpkg>kiosk is probably /bin/su -c "/usr/bin/X11/startx" - kiosk (/usr/sbin/kiosk); kk:2345:respawn:/usr/sbin/kiosk (/etc/inittab); telinit q, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/webkiosk/
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15:18<retrospectacus>that's not especially useful...
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15:18<retrospectacus>Gorwell: what program?
15:18<Gorwell>retrospectacus: plexhometheater
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15:19<phillipsjk>was going to say that say the factoid was more useful than me saying you don't need a window manager.
15:20<retrospectacus>Gorwell: yeah it sounds like you want to run plex instead of XFCE, not in addition
15:20<Gorwell>retrospectacus: is that possible?
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15:22<retrospectacus>yeah, but you might lose some things like volume control
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15:22<phillipsjk>!window manager
15:22<dpkg>A window manager is a special application class which decorates and manages windows for the X server. To list available window managers in your system, run «apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager». Not to be confused with a desktop environment such as <GNOME> or <KDE>. To set your system-wide default window manager, use «update-alternatives --config x-window-manager». For a guide to available window managers, see http://xwinman.org/
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15:23<phillipsjk>XFCE is a desktop environment
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15:25<Celelibi>All the complexity of modern system make me sick. Let's get rid of anything graphical and get back to Linux 1.0.
15:25<retrospectacus>have fun
15:26<Celelibi>Even better, I'll write my own OS from scratch.
15:26<retrospectacus>with blackjack and hookers?
15:26<Celelibi>No, really, it's on my willneverdo-list.
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15:27<Celelibi>It's like a todo-list, but it's so far from the top I will never do it.
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15:29<Celelibi>Who never dreamed of writing his own kernel and stuff?
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15:30<phillipsjk>#debian-offtopic ?
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15:35<valdyn>if linux is modern and thus complex, i wonder what multics is
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15:36<rhostat>Once upon a time seems to be a common starting point.
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15:45<socram>Hello! I was looking for documentation on Debian and found https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes.en.pdf . In that PDF, the headers for most sections are awfully corrupted. I have no idea where to report this too... maybe someone could help.
15:47<socram>Could just be my computer, but I have tried downloading it instead of browsing it within iceweasel, but the mistakes were exactly the same.
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15:48<socram>It's only the PDF version, the HTML and TXT versions are fine. As per https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes
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15:58<socram>So, I believe the release notes are not part of any package, hence not reporting to Bug Tracker. I will send an email to debian-doc@lists.debian.org in hopes someone will deal with this.
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16:29<Ambacklol>yo
16:29<Ambacklol>so today minecraft didn't wanna launch on Debian jessie
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16:30<Ambacklol>while yesterday it launched normally, now it says needs java runtime env. 1.7.0
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16:30<Ambacklol>I removed it and installed it, jre
16:31<Ambacklol>it still makes the same error
16:31<Ambacklol>!enter
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16:35<wowaname>so i installed an sdd into my desktop today, it mounts as /dev/sdb. im going through the debian install and it wants to install grub on sda
16:35<wowaname>i dont see a way to tell it to use another disk
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16:38<wowaname>nvm ##linux told me about grub-install
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16:45<petn-randall>wowaname: You have to tell your BIOS/UEFI to boot from that drive then, though.
16:45<petn-randall>Err, only applies to BIOS.
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16:46<wowaname>that brings me to another question
16:46<wowaname>hold on
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16:47<wowaname>so i have the debian 7 iso... it didnt look like it had support for booting with EFI
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16:47<wowaname>i had to change the boot configuration for "legacy" (bios) boot
16:48<wowaname>from windows 8 efi
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16:48<wowaname>would uefi be the better choice and how would i go about setting that up
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16:48<wowaname>doing a quick search on it
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16:49<wowaname>i guess uefi is designed to replace bios
16:50<wowaname>is there anything important i should know about making sure debian supports booting from uefi then?
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17:02<hi>test
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17:02<havij>hi
17:03<hi>cheturi havij
17:03<havij>khubom amoo to chetori
17:03<hi>amoo in dafe dige vas
17:03<hi>kar kone
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17:24<cae>hi. I think I found a bug in lvm2 and/or libdevmapper* which seems not to be reported yet
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17:25<cae>lvs --some --option segfaults, I have a core file, but I'm missing some function names in the backtrace
17:25<cae>I couldn't find a *-dbg package that would cover those, should I generally file a bug with everything I have so far?
17:25<ml|>wowaname: Any reason you are going to install Debian 7 and not 8.1?
17:26<wowaname>because i have the 7 iso
17:26<wowaname>ill do a dist upgrade
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17:26<ml|>It will be much easier to just install from 8, since it has a lot better support to install in UEFI mode.
17:26<ml|>woo^
17:27<ml|>wowaname: ^ err
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17:27<wowaname>ok
17:27<wowaname>will do
17:27<retrospectacus>woo.
17:27<wowaname>uh
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17:27<wowaname>ml| the reason i didnt download the 8 iso is because the download page is a little hard to fllow lol
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17:27<wowaname>ill look again
17:27<ml|>wowaname: Plus it will save you on reading the upgrade notes :)
17:28<ml|>Heh
17:28<wowaname>yeah i know 8 would be easier
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17:29<ml|>wowaname: Pick your poison: https://www.debian.org/distrib/
17:30<wowaname>yeah i reached there
17:30<josele>solo se habla en ingles?
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17:30<wowaname>hola josele
17:31<wowaname>hablo poco espanol
17:31<josele>vaya veo que no
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17:31<ml|>wowaname: Just make sure you boot in UEFI mode or else the installer will not install the needed UEFI stuf. Also must GPT partitions; but the installer should make GPT partitions for you.
17:32<ml|>s/stuf/stuff/
17:32<wowaname>ml| there are 3 isos for the dvd; is there anything i can just burn on a usb contigiously?
17:32<margi>Is openssh-server single threaded?
17:32<hi>havij montazeram
17:32<ml|>wowaname: Do you have a working internet connection? If so I'd use the net install iso.
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17:33<wowaname>ml| no i dont
17:33<wowaname>my desktop doesnt support wifi and i dont get ethernet access until i move into my college dorm
17:33<havij>f
17:33<wowaname>which is soon but i want to get this done today if i can
17:33<havij>g
17:34<ml|>wowaname: 64bit?
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17:34<ml|>wowaname: Regardless read https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual
17:35<ml|>That should answer most of your questions.
17:35<ml|>Good Luck, have to go.
17:35<wowaname>yeah x64
17:35<wowaname>ok cya
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17:36<josele>no se expresarme en ingles,lo siento,suerte a todo el mundo
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17:36<margi>Would decreasing cipher strength from aes-256-cbc to aes-128-cbc increase speed?
17:36<wowaname>josele que es tu pregunta
17:36<wowaname>margi probably
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17:37<josele>no se de que se habla,adios
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17:38<wowaname>adios josele
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17:38<wowaname>:p
17:38<margi>I have an older laptop sans AES-NI running Putty and a Raspberry Pi running Raspbian. SFTP throughput between them is only 2100KB/s.
17:39<wowaname>ah
17:39<wowaname>well i dont think transfer speed is reliant on encryption grade
17:40<wowaname>well
17:40<wowaname>too much anyway
17:40<wowaname>idk try with a lower strength and see what happens
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17:40<wowaname>if youre not too worried about weaker encryption that is, which apparently you dont see it as too big an issue
17:41<margi>AES-128 is hardly weak, unless there's some news I haven't heard about.
17:42<margi>FTP throughput is 8,000KB/s.
17:42<at0m|c>scp is alwaays slow in my experience
17:42<at0m|c>but way over 8KB/s
17:42<wowaname>i wasnt saying it was weak, just weaker
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17:47<wowaname>still trying to think of what to do here... i did skim through the installation guide but there are 3 dvd isos and i have 1 flash drive
17:47<wowaname>what's the best way to copy everything over?
17:47<wowaname>with one iso it's just a simple dd command
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17:48<retrospectacus>you only need one
17:48<retrospectacus>what 3 dvds do you have?
17:48<wowaname>http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-dvd/
17:48<wowaname>so what are the other two for
17:49<wowaname>my flash drive can fit all those no problem
17:49<retrospectacus>more packages
17:49<wowaname>oh
17:49<retrospectacus>!dvd contents
17:49<dpkg>To find out which CD or DVD image contains a particular package or source file, use the search engine at http://cdimage-search.debian.org/ . To see what a specific image contains, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ (e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/list-cd/).
17:49<wowaname>so just dl the first one and boot from that?
17:49<wowaname>ok
17:49<retrospectacus>yeah dvd1 should do it
17:49<wowaname>i'll downlod the other two just in case i need extra packages
17:49<retrospectacus>I haven't been paying attention, but the netinst is usually recommended
17:49<wowaname>maybe use the rest of the flash drive's space for storing those
17:50<wowaname>retrospectacus yeah i ruled that out
17:50<wowaname>unless i want to wait a week then netinst isnt possible
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17:51<retrospectacus>the page tells you (There are lots of files here! Do I need all of them?)
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17:51<wowaname>haha ok
17:51<wowaname>thanks
17:52<margi>aes128-cbc 2,455KB/s. Not much faster.
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17:52<vanderlei>oiuyiuhgiu
17:52<vanderlei>hguyg
17:52<hi>jj
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17:53<wowaname>spammers
17:53<retrospectacus>nah. just idiots
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17:54<wowaname>lol
17:54<wowaname>im on an irc where people come in and use the qwebirc fishbot
17:54<margi>So that's only a 14.5% penalty for 256-bit, with the Pi as the probably slow end.
17:54<wowaname>margi are you copying to the sd?
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17:54<margi>No to USB attached HDD.
17:55<wowaname>ah
17:55<wowaname>shoot i forget the raspi specs
17:55<wowaname>is it usb2.0
17:55<at0m|c>all storage and lan on the pi is on the usb2 bus
17:55<at0m|c>so limited
17:56<wowaname>ah
17:56<wowaname>yeah expect slow kbps
17:56<at0m|c>margi: #raspberrypi
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17:57<at0m|c>the banana pi has gigalan, not sure of its hardware map
17:57<margi>I can get 115MB/s between two AMD Athlon 5350 boxes. Yay hardware acceleration and Intel NICs.
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17:57<margi>Banana Pi violates GPL.
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17:58<at0m|c>margi: didn't know about the gpl, only read up a little on the banana today
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18:55<svetlana>I am missing something big. looking at https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=768131 and then at https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=addresses-for-gnustep&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all I think I made a typo but I don't see it and I don't know what to do.
18:55<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/768131 in src:addresses-for-gnustep (pending, sid, stretch): «addresses-for-gnustep: maintainer address bounces»; severity: serious; opened: 2014-11-05; last modified: 2015-04-28.
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18:56<somiaj>svetlana: which version of debain are you running, #debian-next is for testing/sid support
18:56<lila>cat stp si tu voi mon message
18:57<somiaj>french?
18:57<somiaj>lila: ^^
18:57<svetlana>somiaj: why does it matter? I am browsing the web for information about that package in all distributions. I don't even have to be running debian to get that information.
18:57<lila>sorry
18:57<svetlana>*in all debian versions
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18:58<lila>this message is not for you sorry , bye
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19:35<svetlana>somiaj: sorry if it sounded hostile; I'm using debian stable. a package is broken in it though and I do not see it in packages at all.
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19:43<pencilandpaper>what package is it svetlana ?
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19:46<svetlana>pencilandpaper: addresses-for-gnustep
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19:47<pencilandpaper>are you sure that its not called addresses-goodies-for-gnustep?
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19:50<benjii>hola
19:50<svetlana>yes, I'm sure
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19:52<pencilandpaper>i see what you are saying now svetlana ..its in oldstable as well as in unstable..but isnt in stable or testing svetlana .
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19:52<s0m30n3>hi shim
19:52<s0m30n3>kojoii?
19:52<s0m30n3>bego yey chi
19:52<s0m30n3>kho
19:52<shim>ok
19:52<pencilandpaper>so it appears that you are going to have to apt-pin it if its something that you really need, unless you grab the source and compile it.
19:53<svetlana>pencilandpaper: I searched all versions, but see no results.
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19:53<svetlana>https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=addresses-for-gnustep&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all
19:53<pencilandpaper>i see the results for it in oldstable (wheezy) and unstable (sid) svetlana . its called addresses-goodies-for-gnustep.
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19:54<svetlana>why is the bug for a wrong package name, then?
19:54<pencilandpaper>typo, old name for the same package, who knows?
19:54<svetlana>https://packages.debian.org/source/sid/addresses-for-gnustep is interesting (I don't understand it)
19:54<svetlana>it does exist in some way
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19:55<pencilandpaper>well i think that to install it normally you would install the package that i mentioned and it would come bundled within it.
19:56<pencilandpaper>although, you can grab the source for it and try and compile it svetlana .
19:56<pencilandpaper>i dont use that particular package.
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19:56<svetlana>I understand that I can compile it. I do not understand why it's not showing up in normal search results. weird.
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19:57<pencilandpaper>yeah i agree, that is weird. i dont know what to say though.
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19:57<pencilandpaper>i checked synaptic and dont see it..and i am using sid. i do see the package that i mentioned though.
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20:05<somiaj>svetlana: if it is not in stable you will have to make your own package and matain any security issues. You can check the QA page to see why it was removed. https://packages.qa.debian.org/a/addresses-for-gnustep/news/20140813T163911Z.html
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20:08<somiaj>note there is a difference between the source package, and the binary package it creates, hence the name difference
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20:10<somiaj>i.e. svetlana is giving us the source package name, but it creates the binary which was removed due to the bug from the QA annoucment I linked.
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20:55<hicks_>aptitude is showing all packages as none none for installation, I recently changed my sources to use httpredir, is there anything cached that I should remove or another reason aptitude may be showing this?
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20:57<somiaj>hicks_: what do you mean as none none (this is from the curses ui for aptitude)?
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20:57<hicks_>curses ui, where it usually shows version numbers installed/available
20:57<hicks_>all packages just show as none and none
20:57<somiaj>hicks_: did you run aptitude update after changing your sources, did you get any errors. You can paste your sources.list at paste.debian.net if you want another pair of eyes to look at them.
20:58<hicks_>yes I ran update, hang on I'll paste it
20:58<somiaj>That seems odd, it should still show the local version of inistalled packages.
20:58<somiaj>hicks_: after pasting your sources.list please paste the output of 'apt-cache policy' and 'apt-cache policy libc6'
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21:00<hicks_>http://paste.debian.net/278682/
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21:01<hicks_>http://paste.debian.net/278683/ policy
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21:01<hicks_>http://paste.debian.net/278684/ policy libc6
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21:02<somiaj>hicks_: why are all your packages pinned at -10, sounds like you have an apt config pinning them really low
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21:02<hicks_>I did have apt pin setup a while back to pull in a security fix into testing from unstable when I ran testing, but dont have anything pinned anymore.
21:03<hicks_>let me paste pin prefs that might be the culprit
21:03<hicks_>that was when jessie was in testing btw, not since it went stable.
21:03<somiaj>you do, everything is pinned at -10, which is probabaly what is confusing aptitude as nothing will be installed by default.
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21:03<somiaj>you probabaly still have the pin attached to the name 'jessie' and need to change/remove it
21:04<hicks_>http://paste.debian.net/278685/
21:04<somiaj>either way, something is pinning all your files at -10
21:04<somiaj>you that is it, everything except testing is pinned at -10
21:04<somiaj>just remove that file since you don't need it anymore.
21:04<hicks_>ok
21:04<hicks_>so just leave the Debian/-10 section?
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21:05<somiaj>no remove that one
21:05<somiaj>you don't want to pin your packages at -10, you want them to take the defaults (since you no longer need this config option from the past when you did)
21:05<hicks_>oh sorry, I missed the file bit, ok so remove the lot, got you.
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21:07<hicks_>that's sorted it, cheers :)
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21:30<svetlana>somiaj: it was removed because maintainer address bounces. But I thought it would remain in oldstable at least. On one side, it does, as I linked to https://packages.debian.org/source/sid/addresses-for-gnustep ; but on the other side, the packages.debian.org search for the package name for all versions returns nothing. or is this because sid is EOL? I don't follow.
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21:31<llimeht_>That's not why it was removed from jessie. It still is in wheezy.
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21:32<somiaj>svetlana: it is in oldstable, that is the 'source' package name, get the binary packages (also linked on that page) that it creates
21:32<somiaj>svetlana: it was removed from jessie for another reason, of which I linked
21:33<llimeht_>,v src:addresses-for-gnustep
21:33<judd>Package: src:addresses-for-gnustep on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.4.7-1; wheezy: 0.4.7-1; sid: 0.4.7-2
21:33<rhostat>Maybe the lady of the lake will just deliver a new OS for someone who is worthy.
21:33<llimeht_>,binaries addresses-for-gnustep wheezy
21:33<judd>Source addresses-for-gnustep in wheezy: Binaries: addresses-goodies-for-gnustep, addressmanager.app, libaddressview-dev, libaddressview0, libaddresses0, addressview.framework, libaddresses-dev, addresses.framework
21:33<svetlana>somiaj: ok, I see that second reason now. it's complicated, and I'm trying to do one thing at a time; the first thing being why https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=addresses-for-gnustep&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all is 0 results.
21:34<llimeht_>svetlana: because you have searched binary package names and there is no binary package with that name.
21:34<svetlana>ooh.
21:34<llimeht_>svetlana: change the drop down to "source package names" for what you are searching
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21:35<svetlana>I now have to try to learn the difference between binary packages and source packages. I'll go find some proper read about it. thank you both for the information.
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21:36<llimeht_>source packages are source; binary packages are compiled
21:36<llimeht_>Policy §3 and §4
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21:39<rhostat>Hi, I'm a software consultant. What are your needs? Ok, I'll have your custom machine sent over in 2 weeks.
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21:40<llimeht_>rhostat: do you have a debian user support question we can help you with?
21:40<rhostat>Hi, I'm a software consultant. What are your needs? Ok, I'll have your custom machine sent over in 2 weeks.
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21:43<svetlana>Is there a package which contains all of the Debian wiki and documentation so that I can read it offline?
21:44<llimeht_>policy is certainly packaged as are various other bits and pieces. The wiki is not
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21:47<svetlana>It is interesting that I installed debian-policy but it does not have a path to the docs in its apt-cache search, and it doesn't have a man page. I would go check what files it contains using dpkg. But is it supposed to have a man page to save peoples' time?
21:47<llimeht_>aptitude search ~ndebian~sdoc
21:47<llimeht_>no
21:48<svetlana>Ok. Lots of those things need localization I see. Thanks, I'll use that.
21:48<llimeht_>Documentation for packages is normally in /usr/share/doc/$package; man pages aren't really discoverable.
21:49<llimeht_>!doc-base
21:49<dpkg>i heard doc-base is a standardised method for Debian packages to register the documentation they include. There are several doc-base clients that will then let you browse and search the documentation, for example installing doc-central and a web server will let you browse the documentation at http://localhost/dc/ . See also http://wiki.debian.org/doc-base
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22:41<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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23:21<totorox>hola a todos
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23:31<jonathan>#c
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---Logclosed Sat Jul 04 00:00:32 2015