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00:26<appas>hey, any reasons why virtualbox only shows options for creating 32 bit guests on a debian 64 bit host?
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00:27<appas>i saw on stackexchange to disable hyperv, but there were only instructions for windows, and i'm unsure on how to do that on linux
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00:55<musca>hi appas
00:55<appas>hello musca
00:56<musca>for 64 bit guests you need hardware virtualization (intel vmx or amd svm)
00:56<musca>grep -Pom1 'svm|vmx' /proc/cpuinfo
00:59<appas>ok, thanks! it seems that's what i'm lacking. the closest is "vme" (this is an intel N455), but i guess that's something else...
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01:01<musca>yes, that model doesn't provide virtualization http://ark.intel.com/products/49491/Intel-Atom-Processor-N455-512K-Cache-1_66-GHz
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01:08<musca>qemu can emulate 64 bit systems, but this mode is really slower ( with -enable-kvm option is 20 times quicker, roughly estimated)
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03:28<dakka>hi just looking for some advice on encrypted folders, i was thinking of using encfs...does this sound like the right thing to use?
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03:56<phillipsjk>dakka, be sure to back up your encryption key. I don't have specific experience with encfs.
03:58<dakka>i use ssh keys, had my private key for over 5 years, i just make sure i keep a copy of it for when i move systems
03:58<dakka>i was hoping to use that since i am already using it, i am thinking perhaps encfs uses something else...i think i need to research more
03:58<dakka>gpg or something that can use my existing key pairs would be great
04:00<dakka>so far i just see lots of methods for encrypting files, but i want an entire folder, so i can just dump important stuff in there
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04:10<debijit>Anybody please help me to fix this....... I spent last 2 weeks for uderstanding this.................................... When Itried to load cortina- a wallpaper changer, I am getting this ,,, Can't load translation file:
04:10<debijit>"C.qm in /usr/share/qt4/translations/cortina"
04:11<jm_>are you using debian?
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04:13<debijit>yes
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04:13<debijit>jim_ yes
04:13<jm_>then check BTS/submit a big if it's not there yes
04:13<jm_>bug*
04:14<debijit>jm_, I ve searched,,, nothing there
04:14<jm_>debijit: so do the other thing I suggested
04:14<debijit>jm_, Maintainer orphaned this package
04:15<jm_>debijit: then try to contact upstream
04:15<jm_>or find a different tool for the job
04:16<debijit>jm_.. I mailed the upstream author... but didnt get any reply..
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04:17<debijit> jm_: QTranslator qtTranslator;
04:17<debijit> if(!qtTranslator.load(QLocale::system().name(), Translation_path)) {
04:17<debijit> if(QLocale::system().name().startsWith("en_") == false) {
04:17<debijit> qDebug() << "Can't load translation file:";
04:17<debijit> qDebug() << QLocale::system().name() + ".qm in " + QLibraryInfo::location(QLibraryInfo::TranslationsPath) + "/cortina";
04:18<debijit>jm_, did you know anything about this,, This exception handling is doing that..
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04:21<jm_>debijit: no, looking at their code browser it comes with many message catalogs but debian package includes none
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04:21<jm_>but really why bother with a non-working tool if there are many similar tools out there
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04:23<debijit>jm_ Its upstream is active ,, current upstream is 1.1 something,, but it in debian archive 0.7 ..
04:24<jm_>debijit: doesn't seem very active if last update is from 2013
04:24<jm_>but anyway I don't have anything else to say about it
04:25<debijit>K . jm_
04:25<debijit>jm_, main problem is I filed ITA for it
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04:28<jm_>debijit: in that case I suggest you look at why no message catalogs are included in the package
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04:28<debijit>jm_ ?
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04:59<kikinovak>Hi. How long is Debian 8.0 Jessie officially supported with security updates? I heard it was five years, but I can't seem to find the official information anywhere.
05:00<peter1138>Usually it's about 1 year after the next stable release.
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05:01<peter1138>And there is no release date for that set yet.
05:02<kikinovak>Oh. I thought this was an LTS release.
05:02<svetlana>there is no lts with debian
05:04<kikinovak>And what about this? I'm puzzled. https://wiki.debian.org/LTS
05:04<olasd>svetlana: there is.
05:05<jm_>kikinovak: that will happen for as long as people get paid to do the work, so if funding stops ...
05:05<kikinovak>ok
05:05<peter1138>LTS support is basically separate from regular security updates.
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05:14<kikinovak>Other question: what's the main communication channel for (english/french/german) speaking admins for Debian? Forum? Mailing list? (Example: the main channel for Slackware is the forum at LinuxQuestions.org)
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05:24<nafur>Hi, I'm using ldap to authenticate users. Whenever any performs a login or logout, I get errors from nslcd: nslcd[3237]: [334873] <passwd(all)> ldap_result() failed: Size limit exceeded
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05:26<nafur>Login is performed via lightdm (ssh logins do not provoke these errors). It seems that lightdm tries to acquire a list of all users. I already tried setting "pagesize 50" in the nslcd.conf, but this doesn't seem to help. (server size limit should be 100 according to our admin)
05:26<nafur>Any ideas how to fix this?
05:26<svetlana>sorry, I didn't know about lts in debian
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08:36<timmc>somiaj: Haha, you were right! The image I read back from the USB stick has big chunks of corruption.
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08:36<timmc>Confirmed, MongoDB branded USB sticks are questionable as well. :-P
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08:52<rfreeman-w>what is the deal with strace -k ?
08:53<rfreeman-w>debian manpage says there is such an option, but running it says there is no such option
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08:54<vit>hola
08:55<rfreeman-w>is there a working strace+backtrace at all?
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09:01<Gabriel_7>rfreeman-w, it is only available if it is enabel at compile time (linking with libunwind). The package does not build-depend on libunwind-dev so it might not get compiled in.
09:01<rfreeman-w>so the man page is wrong then?
09:01<Gabriel_7>But it is still mentionned in the manpage.
09:01*rfreeman-w deskpalms
09:01<Gabriel_7>The manpage document all the flags without telling you that this flag might not be anebled on your build.
09:02<Gabriel_7>You could say that the manpage is kin-of wrong…
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09:03<Gabriel_7>Might be interesting to add a bug on debian asking for the activation of this feature.
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09:07<rfreeman-w>Gabriel_7, where do you change build options after apt-get sources
09:07<hannes-24>I am a newcomer
09:08<rfreeman-w>hannes-24, sup
09:08<Gabriel_7>rfreeman-w, Juste try to apt-get install libunwind8-dev and apparently it should automaticallyu pick it up.
09:09<hannes-24>only testify and...
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09:09<Gabriel_7>rfreeman-w, It it does not, you can try to pass --with-libunwind to the ./configure in debian/rules.
09:09<rfreeman-w>apt-get source says that
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09:09<Gabriel_7>s/If/If/
09:09<rfreeman-w>gpgv: Signature made Wed Aug 20 19:13:39 2014 CEST using RSA key ID 3442684E which is not known
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09:10<rfreeman-w>how do I confirm that 3442684E is authorized by debian to sign this sources
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09:23<mike99>hello,i would setup a squid cache server,but can not connect to internet
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09:26<nicolas_>Hi guys !
09:26<mike99>hi
09:26<nicolas_>I have a question, hope you can help me out a little before I turn crazy :)
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09:28<nicolas_>I've built a linux image, and (a) dpkg --print-architecture is displaying armel, while (b) i my ld.so is /lib/ld-linux-armhf.so.3
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09:29<nicolas_>So unless forced, dpkg refuses to install downloaded armhf .deb packages
09:29<nicolas_>And if I --add-architecture armhf, it uses multiarch which I don't really want
09:30<nicolas_>Apparently the system is armhf, but somehow dpkg seems to think it's armel
09:30<nicolas_>So my question is, how to tell dpkg that it's not armel but armhf ?
09:31<mike99>in the /etc/apt/sources.list
09:32<themill>How on earth did you manage that?
09:33<nicolas_>themill: Well (and I know I'm kind of asking for trouble here) but by using Yocto
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09:33<nicolas_>mike99: Apt correctly fetches armhf packages
09:34<mike99>it should recognize your arch
09:34<nicolas_>mike99: Base on what ? The result of uname -m ?
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09:34<themill>You'd be looking to install the correct arch dpkg on the machine -- start by adding in the correct arch as a foreign architecture and then install as much as possible
09:35<themill>Make sure you've got good backups.
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09:36<nicolas_>themill: Is it correct to say that if I do so, then the system will be in multiarch mode ?
09:36<themill>not if you manage to successfully complete the transition.
09:36<themill>But from what you say, it sounds utterly broken at present.
09:38<nicolas_>themill: Yes, it does.
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09:38<nicolas_>themill: Thanks to what yo usaid I stumbled upon https://wiki.debian.org/CrossGrading, I will give it a try
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09:38<themill>I've only seen people doing i386→amd64 but the process should be pretty much the same
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09:49<nicolas_>themill: Mmm, that sort of worked. But, it is very unclean :
09:49<nicolas_>themill: I end up with a system that tries to find it's .so in /lib, but they are stored in /lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/
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09:50<nicolas_>themill: So far I've ln -s everytime a program needed one, but that's not good
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09:54<nicolas_>Guys, what determines wether the .so files will be looked for under /lib, or /lib/arm-linux-guneabihf ?
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09:57<rfreeman-w>Gabriel_7, when editing source of that package, that I have from apt-get source, where would I add name of the lib unwind to make the package require it?
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09:58<Gabriel_7>rfreeman-w, in debian/control, you shoujld add libunwind8-dev to Build-Depends.
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10:01<kblin>hi folks
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10:02<kblin>there seems to be an issue with the python-pyquery package as shipped by jessie. It's incompatible with the version of python-cssselect that it depends on.
10:02<RalfJ>Hi all - is it possible to configure a network interface such that only root can make any connections on that interface? basically, I want to connect this machine to a network such that non-root processes have no way to communicate with said network.
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10:03<kblin>it seems upstream has release a patch for this in https://github.com/gawel/pyquery/issues/40, but how do I best report this bug
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10:03<dworkz>Hi, is there anyway to get an applications menu in Fluxbox... Simular to the one i had in Xfce? Or even activate it / copy the menu and use it in Fluxbox?
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10:08<rfreeman-w>dworkz, dunno. though, do you prefer Fluxbox? why it's better
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10:12<dworkz>rfreeman-w: Just trying it out, like the minimalistic look and feel of it, got any other window manager you recomend?
10:13<rfreeman-w>dworkz, afair blackbox or openbox was the smallest one. used on VM hosts.
10:14<dworkz>rfreeman-w: I tested openbox but i could not get it the way i wanted it with the menu, so i switched to fluxbox...
10:14<rfreeman-w>Gabriel_7, didn't worked for some reason
10:15<rfreeman-w>build/Makefile:
10:15<rfreeman-w> cd $(@D); sh ../configure --prefix=/usr --with-libunwind $(CONFIG_OPTS)
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10:15<rfreeman-w>dpkg-buildpackage -b -us -uc
10:15<rfreeman-w>./build/strace -k still says no such option -k
10:15<dworkz>rfreeman-w: I only got the root menu and not the user menu i want :/
10:16<rfreeman-w>dworkz, not sure about that
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10:17<Gabriel_7>rfreeman-w, did you add the flag for the target build64/Makefile as well?
10:17<Gabriel_7>You should check in the configure.log file is libunwind was found.
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10:18<rfreeman-w>Gabriel_7, yes to both (though this is normal debian 64 anyway)
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10:20<rfreeman-w>Gabriel_7, yes. result: yes libunwind_LIBS='-lunwind-ptrace -lunwind-generic -lunwind '
10:21<Gabriel_7>Gabriel_7, this is funny…
10:22<Gabriel_7>Can you ldd your strace see if it uses libunwind?
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10:22<Gabriel_7>Oups, talking to myself :/
10:22<Gabriel_7>rfreeman-w, ^
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10:25<rfreeman-w>Gabriel_7, it shows me the usage, maybe there is a bug in the code that parses command line options
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10:25<Gabriel_7>rfreeman-w, What's your commandline?
10:26<rfreeman-w>Gabriel_7, yes, it's linked ibunwind-ptrace.so.0 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libunwind-ptrace.so.0 (0x00007f59c1f50000) and 2 more
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10:27<rfreeman-w>Gabriel_7, ./build/strace -k And the usage shown in runtime also mentions:
10:27<rfreeman-w>-k obtain stack trace between each syscall (experimental)
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10:28<Gabriel_7>Yes, the feature is compiled but something is wrong at some point…
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10:29<rfreeman-w>#ifdef USE_LIBUNWIND
10:29<rfreeman-w>"-k obtain stack trace between each syscall (experimental)\n\
10:29<rfreeman-w>in main.c, so yeah it's totally enabled
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10:33<rfreeman-w>Gabriel_7, lol disregard all that
10:33<rfreeman-w>all works
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10:34<rfreeman-w>strace -k programfoo was not working, and after fixing the problem I kept testing with simplified invalid test case "strace -k"
10:35<Gabriel_7>rfreeman-w, ok :)
10:35<rfreeman-w>Gabriel_7, after I made the minimal changes in the sources, how to release a patch, and how to release my version 4.9-2-mempo1 ?
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10:36<Gabriel_7>rfreeman-w, I'm leaving now. Can't help you there now.
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10:44<voanhcuoc>hello!!!
10:44<voanhcuoc>\help
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10:49<voanhcuoc>\help msg
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11:17<peter1138>kernel: [852369.067833] EXT4-fs error (device vda7): ext4_mb_generate_buddy:757: group 4, block bitmap and bg descriptor inconsistent: 23382 vs 23377 free clusters
11:17*peter1138 ponders
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11:53<maazu>hi Artoo
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12:19<lord_rob>Hi! Is there a way to install pepperflash-plugin into iceweasel ?
12:19<lord_rob>I don't like chromium too much
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12:23<muep>my impression is that iceweasel does not provide the plugin API that is needed by pepper flash
12:23<f10>lord_rob: well google says there is fresh player (plugin wrapper to use pepperflash in firefox)
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12:23<retrospectacus>https://wiki.debian.org/Freshplayerplugin
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12:30<lord_rob>thank you retrospectacus
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13:03<K-202>Hi. What do you think of sound quality in Debian 8 / XFCE? Some days ago I didn't notice it but it seems something's wrong with sound quality. (this is proper channel for Debian 8 I think)
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13:16<phillipsjk>K-202 if your system is loaded/low on memory, pulse audio may cause problems. On my last machine I was able to unistall t without causing obvious problems.
13:16<phillipsjk>er pulseaudio
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13:16<phillipsjk>It does sound mixing.
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13:47<gjhg>i am using debian jessie xfce and i have an error "Failed to create archive. No suitable archive manager found." with thunar-archive-plugin when i try to create an archive
13:47<gjhg>any idea how to solve?
13:47<frlttrwrd>hi there, problem on jessie: plasma-desktop started freezing on me a week or two ago, happens about twice a day. I never had that problem before since switching to jessie about a year ago. was there a faulty patch recently or something like that? how can I find out what's wrong?
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13:49<frlttrwrd>correction: the panel freezes, didn't test anything else. but killing and restarting plasma-desktop fixes it
13:50<jalcine>is it pronounced DE-bee-AYN or deb-EAYN?
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13:51*jalcine has always done the latter
13:52<OdyX>jalcine: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-basic_defs#s-pronunciation
13:52<OdyX>"Deb'-ee-en, with a short e in Deb, and emphasis on the first syllable"
13:52<jalcine>thanks OdyX :)
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13:55<musca>note to myself: don't name the next project after girlfriend.
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14:19<jarkko>if I want to one key to do magic things is it autokey a best choice for debian?
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14:38<NtroP>is there a way to manually boot csm installed linux using a boot floppy with a root=/dev/sda2 or such so that I can still have a uefi windows?
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15:06<jhutchins>jalcine: Being a conjunction of Deb and Ian.
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15:09<jalcine>jhutchins: very good short-hand!
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15:36<timmc>Huh, didn't know they'd gotten married.
15:36<timmc>then apparently divorced in 2008? Aw.
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16:26<K-202>I'm fed up of GUI latencies. You release Ctrl, you click but program reacts as if Ctrl was still pressed.
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16:28<valdyn>jalcine: depends on what exactly you want to do
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16:29<valdyn>nvm, jarkko is gone..
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16:32<valdyn>musca: peperflash can be used with iceweasel, (only) via another plugin
16:32<valdyn>ffs
16:32<valdyn>muep: ^^
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16:37<musca>no flash, no facebook, no worries.
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16:45<jabs>Hello, everyone
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17:00<dworkz>Hi, is there any skins or themes for skype, might there be an advanced window manager settings program to set the colors as you want them in skype?
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17:15<phillipsjk>!skype
17:15<dpkg>Skype is a proprietary cross-platform <VoIP> service and application owned by Microsoft. Debian cannot distribute the application due to its license. See http://wiki.debian.org/skype and ask me about <skype amd64> for community-contributed information. Consider using free and secure alternatives: <ekiga>, <empathy>, <jitsi>, <linphone>.
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17:17<dworkz>Ok. thanks!
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17:19<phillipsjk>skype has network effects due to heavy product placement on TV though,
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17:22<mohammad-ghasemi>hi, is apache2 a default startup software?
17:23<at0m|c>mohammad-ghasemi: it starts by default when installed, if that's what you mean
17:24<mohammad-ghasemi>no I want to know if it is installed with debian or I installed it
17:24<mohammad-ghasemi>accidentally
17:24<mohammad-ghasemi>at0m|c
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17:25<at0m|c>it's not installed by default.
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17:25<mohammad-ghasemi>Okay, thank you
17:25<canaima>kvh
17:25<canaima>hola
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17:26<mohammad-ghasemi>Hello canaima
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17:28<LedHed>how are you added to a domain without your profile changing?
17:29<peter1138>a what?
17:29<LedHed>trying to impress the boss at work, make me look good!
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17:29<LedHed>talking about Windows and Active Directory
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17:31<Gabriel_7>LedHed, on #debian?
17:31<LedHed>I know, sorry
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17:32<Gabriel_7>There is a #windows channel on freenode…
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17:39<LadyAlissa>mohammad-ghasemi: Try running "which apache" or "ps aux | grep apache"
17:39<LadyAlissa>I know a host I used a while back had it installed by default.
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17:49<mohammad-ghasemi>LadyAlissa: I did that
17:50<mohammad-ghasemi>which apache did not work but the second one worked
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17:58<LadyAlissa>Then apache is installed onto your system.
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17:59<mohammad-ghasemi>Thank you Lady!
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18:04<lduros>hi, has anyone succeeded to use the elementary OS Pantheon/Gala on Debian 8?
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18:08<hdb2>I'm looking for a way for a user to search through multiple mbox files. Thunderbird has this ability, but I would like something web-based. I thought about using gnu mailman to import the files and import the files as a "list archive". does anyone have any suggestions or ideas on how to go about doing this?
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18:20<mohammad-ghasemi>How can I resize in-use partitions? gparted do not allow that
18:20<mohammad-ghasemi>does not allow that
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18:21<LadyAlissa>Why would you want to? That's extremely dangerous.
18:22<mohammad-ghasemi>LadyAlissa: Since I'm from windows, I assigned too much memory to the root partition
18:22<mohammad-ghasemi>now I regret it
18:22<LadyAlissa>I'd just suggest to boot off of a flash drive or something. Don't resize a partition you are using.
18:23<phillipsjk>You can typically grow a live filesystem.
18:24<mohammad-ghasemi>LadyAlissa: thank you!
18:24<mohammad-ghasemi>phillipsjk: how?
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18:26<phillipsjk>it may be a BSD thing (growfs(8)) . I think grated does as well. (but does not help if it is already too big)
18:26<phillipsjk>*goarted
18:26<phillipsjk>*gparted
18:27<at0m|c>phillipsjk: enlargen maybe, but shrink is another ballpart
18:27<at0m|c>k
18:28<mohammad-ghasemi>Yes I wanna shrink / partition
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18:29<phillipsjk>Well, do what LadyAlissa
18:29<phillipsjk>told you.
18:29<mohammad-ghasemi>phillipsjk: Thanks
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19:44<Corean>hi
19:45<centrx>!evening
19:45<centrx>!afternoon
19:45<centrx>!morning
19:45<dpkg>somebody said morning was the early day after yesterday
19:45<Corean>morning
19:45<Corean>im corean
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19:46<Corean>are you hacker?
19:46<centrx>Sure
19:46<Corean>wow
19:46<Corean>me too
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19:47<Corean>nice to meet you
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19:47<centrx>Impressive
19:51<Corean>hey
19:51<centrx>!ask
19:51<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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19:53<Corean>centrx
19:54<Corean>hey
19:54<centrx>What's up
19:54<Corean>do you know dendroid?
19:55<centrx>Never heard of it
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19:55<Corean>really?
19:57<centrx>Corean, http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#intro
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19:59<Corean>where is there?
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20:04<Corean>hi
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20:11<Corean>hi
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20:38<AwaaX>hi, i have a problem i need to install postfix and dovecot but i search a tutorial who is working, and any tutorial don't work for me now...
20:38<Corean>are you hacker?
20:38<AwaaX>no, why ?
20:38<somiaj>AwaaX: you need to be a bit more clear. What version of debian are you running. What tutorial are you following? What isn't working.
20:39<Corean>i am just curious
20:39<Corean>kali linux?
20:39<sney>AwaaX: there's a decent tutorial on linode.com that was written by an old #debian regular
20:40<sney>postfix/dovecot/spamassassin
20:40<sney>it was written for debian 6 IIRC but it works up to 8
20:40<Corean>#debian regular
20:40<sney>Corean: if you want to talk about Kali linux, go to #kali-linux on irc.freenode.net. it's off topic here and so is everything else you said so far
20:41<Corean>nobody
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20:41<somiaj>Corean: this is a support channel. If you don't have a debian support question, don't add noise to the channel.
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20:43<sney>Corean: do NOT private message people without permission.
20:43<Corean>ok
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20:44<Corean>do you know dendroid?
20:44<sney>Corean: http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/irctutorial.html please read this and understand how IRC works. and please stop polluting the channel.
20:45<Corean>thank you
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20:53<AwaaX>sney actually i look on this tutorial : but the nslookup command / dig command don't work ...
20:53<AwaaX>sney this tutorial srry : http://www.starbridge.org/spip/spip.php?article12&artpage=12-12#outil_sommaire_22
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23:08<ryouma>in upgrading to jessie, should sources.list contain contrib and non-free? should it contain backports?
23:10<Hydroxide>ryouma: you should probably be able to keep your sources.list unchanged in those regards, except replace wheezy with jessie. if you have third-party sources it can be trickier.
23:10<Hydroxide>ryouma: you can also remove backports if you don't need anything newer than jessie ships, even if you needed it for newer software than wheezy shipped.
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23:11<ryouma>huh. i'm willing to try no backports, but it sounds like i should NOT remove contrib? i was going to do http://paste.debian.net/279695/
23:11<Hydroxide>ryouma: well, if you have a package installed that's from contrib, and you upgrade to jessie, you might not get the update to that package if it's still in contrib
23:12<Hydroxide>ryouma: same with non-free. and these packages could cause undesired dependency resolution issues, or get removed or held back or make that h appen to other packages
23:12<Hydroxide>ryouma: there's definitely no need to add contrib or non-free if you don't already have them in your sources.list, and you can remove them if you don't have anything installed from there.
23:12<Hydroxide>ryouma: quite commonly people have contrib and non-free in their sources.list because of firmware
23:12<Hydroxide>especially non-free.
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23:13<Hydroxide>so you might want the updated firmware blobs that are compatible with jessie kernels.
23:13<Hydroxide>the vrms package can tell you what you have installed from which parts of debian
23:13<Hydroxide>it can also email you monthly ;)
23:13<ryouma>i have some contrib (virtualbox i think), but no non-free. my goal is the smoothest possible upgrade, so which is smoother, no contrib or contrib, do you think?
23:13<ryouma>i also had wheezy-updates
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23:13<Hydroxide>I think the smoothest is to keep the sources you have except replace wheezy with jessie.
23:13<ryouma>vrms is not showing in my wheezy
23:14<ryouma>Hydroxide: thanks. i will add contrib then, and change wheezy-updates to jessie-updates
23:14<Hydroxide>https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=vrms is definitely available
23:14<Hydroxide>but you don't have to use it
23:14<Hydroxide>you can also use apt-show-versions
23:14<Hydroxide>among other ways
23:14<Hydroxide>they all access the same source data of what you have installed and which archives offer those packages
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23:15<Hydroxide>or you can just rely on your intuition and fix any harmful surprises later :-)
23:16<ryouma>well, i have been trying to upgrade to jessie ever since it was released, and i have a huge video card regression dealbreaker (free driver no longer work), and i want to do the upgrade right so i can make sure that it is a regression
23:17<ryouma>i remember vrms, thanks for the link. aptitude vrms in wheezy does not show it for me.
23:17<ryouma>(and lol at the name)
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23:18<Hydroxide>ryouma: try aptitude show vrms
23:18<Hydroxide>ryouma: and yeah, it's a hilarious name :) not entirely accurate since Debian and the FSF don't agree on every freeness issue. but close enough.
23:18<ryouma>i just did, not work
23:18<ryouma>oh, that's what i did try
23:19<ryouma>i did not type the show here is all
23:19<Hydroxide>yeah, the show is important. vrms is not an aptitude subcommand :)
23:19<Hydroxide>just confirmed on a wheezy system that aptitude show vrms works.
23:19<ryouma>~# aptitude show vrms \n E: Unable to locate package vrms
23:19<Hydroxide>try aptitude update first
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23:20<ryouma>ah, that must be it. i changed sources.list in preparation for jessie.
23:20<Hydroxide>aha yeah
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23:27<ryouma>Hydroxide: vrms is great. never thought i'd use it. i have emacs24 docs from non-free, emacs24 from backports, and virtualbox from contrib and/or backports.
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23:48<ryouma>i just tried apt-get upgrade, and it triggered the oom killer
23:48<ryouma>(and got killed)
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