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---Logopened Fri Jul 10 00:00:03 2015
00:00<semi-nob>infinite loop?
00:00<Vectrex>It asks what wireless network I want to use, then what security it uses, then what my password is. After I type in the Wi-Fi passphrase, it throws me back to choosing my network again
00:00<semi-nob>i use kali linux
00:00<semi-nob>is the best men
00:00<Vectrex>^ I am NOT going through another CD
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00:01<semi-nob>i not configure red
00:02<semi-nob>men you install and jump the configuration
00:03<semi-nob>write white men not write default settings in network
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00:08<somiaj>Vectrex: what wifi card do you have? Many wifi cards require non-free firwmare which is not part of debian main and thus not on the offical isntallers
00:09<Vectrex>^ I have some intel based card, and I have an iso which contains the non-free firmware I need
00:10<somiaj>you have the unoffical firmware installer? You should still double check the wifi card and firmware is being loaded (you can hit alt-f2, open up a console, type dmesg, read)
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00:10<Vectrex>Gimme a sec then
00:10<somiaj>Vectrex: if you could also lspci and get the exact chipset you have so I can check support for your card, it could help.
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00:11<Vectrex>I'm in the graphical installer, is that ok?
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00:12<Vectrex>Or do I have to go into the command prompt installer?
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00:13<somiaj>it shouldn't matter, just open up a terminal in either isntaller
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00:13<Vectrex>Alt-f2 doesn't do anything for me
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00:14<somiaj>oh you are in x, ctrl-alt-f2
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00:15<Vectrex>OK, what screen do I do this at
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00:15<Vectrex>The one that I agree to the terms of use?
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00:16<somiaj>umm, I don't konw what screen that is. ctlr-alt-f2 should open up a console.
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00:17<somiaj>and there you should have limited commands just to check that stuff is working. But if you have a supported card and the firmware installer sounds like an error with your network.
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00:17<Vectrex>^ Did that, I found out my wireless network card is an Intel Corperation PRO/Wireless 2915ABG [Calexico2] Network Connection (Revision 5)
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00:18<Vectrex>also, with dmesg, how do I scroll through the text on screen, so I can see what's above?
00:18<somiaj>shift-page-up should go up in the console
00:19<Vectrex>Ok, it seems that it uses the right firmware.
00:19<somiaj>dmesg | grep firmware (you see a line that says the firmware is loaded)
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00:20<somiaj>Vectrex: -- Yea I don't see anything special about your card, seems it is supported. Sure your info for your wifi network is correct?
00:21<Vectrex>Yes, the line says: ipw2200 0000:06:02.0: firmware: direct loading firmware ipw2200-bss.fw
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00:21<Vectrex>I'll double check my network info, one second
00:21<somiaj>Vectrex: wep or wpa?
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00:24<somiaj>well sounds to me like everything should work. Only thing that could be an issue is the network info you enter or not getting a dhcp request back from your server in time
00:25<Vectrex>The weird thing is that it doesn't even seem like it's sending a request
00:25<Vectrex>The time it takes to loop around is basically imediately
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00:28<Vectrex>somiaj: Another thing I just noticed is that It fails on loading the driver the first time
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00:30<Vectrex>Also, In another console, it says INFO: Couldn't connect to wpasupplicant
00:30<Vectrex>That seems to be when the loop happens
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00:32<somiaj>Vectrex: the netinstall image has a full minimial system on it, you could just install a base system and then figure the network out from the install.
00:32<Vectrex>Ok, how do I bypass this step
00:32<somiaj>there should be a skip option when it asks if you want to configure the network, say no
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00:34<Vectrex>There is no skip option
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00:34<Vectrex>I tried backing out and selecting set up user accoun ts, then it just puts me back at activating the network
00:35<somiaj>I haven't used the graphical installer in a long time, but I recall such an option.
00:35<Vectrex>Not for me, I have to bypass setting the clock
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00:36<Vectrex>Anyway, now I'm at the step where I have to partition the disks. I have ubuntu currently taking up the enitre drive. How do I make it so they share the drive?
00:37<twb>I run wheezy kiosk farms for prisons. I got a new batch of kiosks. I just noticed in Xorg.0.log on the new hardware says it's using inteldrmfb / FBDEV instead of the intel driver. How do I found out *why* that happened?
00:37<twb>All the kiosks are running the same bpo kernel -- 3.16 IIRC
00:38<somiaj>Vectrex: you will have to resize the partitions/filesystem first. Depending on if you use LVM or how you partition your drive this may take some work.
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00:38<Vectrex>So, do I have to go back to ubuntu to do that
00:38<somiaj>twb: the log should say why the intel driver failed to load or detect the right card. It could be you need to ensure you have the kms intell module loaded.
00:39<somiaj>Vectrex: it is usually best to resize partitions from a live enviorment.
00:39<twb>My initial suspicion is that the 3.16 kernel simply doesn't support (or *know* it supports) the newer hardware revision.
00:39<somiaj>Vectrex: note if you want to be very manual, once you resize your parititon to have some free space for debian, boot into ubuntu and isntall with deboostrap. (:
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00:40<somiaj>twb: that is sometimes the case, again look at dmesg and Xorg.0.log to determine why things aren't detcing.
00:40<Vectrex>So, I have to backup and go into ubuntu, and then resize my partition?
00:41<somiaj>well you shoudln't rexsize your partition while it is mounted or your are running off of it
00:41<somiaj>since I don't know how you have set up your partitions, not sure what is best
00:41<Vectrex>The computer's too slow when it runs a live CD though
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00:48<Vectrex>OK, I have one partition that takes up the entire disk
00:48<Vectrex>And no way to resize it]
00:49<Vectrex>Maybe I'll tell debian to install to the whole disk and forget about Ubuntu
00:49<Vectrex>I can reinstall ubuntu later
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00:50<twb>somiaj: kay
00:50<somiaj>Vectrex: I think you can use gparted from the graphical installer (not positive). If so you can resize from the isntaller
00:50<twb>The actual problem report is games in "full screen" mode don't fill the whole screen -- they just sit in the middle at 1:1 and have a huge black border
00:50<wow-a-name>"grub installation failed: the grub-pc package failed to install into /target/"
00:50<twb>I suspect that's due to it choosing inteldrmfb but I don't know
00:50<wow-a-name>during the debian install
00:51<wow-a-name>i have /boot on /dev/sdb
00:51<Vectrex>I'll try
00:51<somiaj>wow-a-name: is this on jessie or wheezy?
00:51<somiaj>wow-a-name: are you in the network installer and do you have your network up?
00:51<wow-a-name>gonna do a dist upgrade to jessie once i get it installed
00:51<wow-a-name>my ethernet cable is too short
00:51<wow-a-name>just found this out lol
00:52<somiaj>well you can chroot into /target and manually figure out why it failed to install and try to fix it. Best bet at this point. Or just go grab a jessie netinstaller
00:52<wow-a-name>gonna get a 20' tomorrow
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00:52<wow-a-name>ill switch ttys and see if i can figure it out
00:52<wow-a-name>wait uh
00:52<somiaj>wow-a-name: offical installer or a live image?
00:52<wow-a-name>/target doesnt exist
00:53<wow-a-name>it's a livecd
00:53<wow-a-name>liveusb rather
00:53<wow-a-name>at least i hope
00:53<wow-a-name>i think its around 1gb for the iso
00:53<wow-a-name>it does try to find a network interface during the install
00:54<wow-a-name>idk ive had this image for a while lol
00:54<somiaj>wow-a-name: yea the wheezy live images have this trouble, maybe you can look up the workaround on line. But if it isn't in /target that is the problem. Try to figure out where it mounted the install. check /mnt/target or something like that
00:54<wow-a-name>slapped it on an old laptop fine
00:54<wow-a-name>should i mount /dev/sdbx to /target manually
00:54<wow-a-name>then retry
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00:55<somiaj>no, the install should be mounted somewhere. I would check that
00:55<wow-a-name>ahh /lib/live/installer/target
00:55<Vectrex>There is a manual option
00:56<somiaj>wow-a-name: try just making that a link to /target then see if doing the install grub part works.
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00:56<Vectrex>But I don't know how to use it
00:56<wow-a-name>ok ill see if that fixes it
00:57<somiaj>!tell wow-a-name about fixmbr
00:57<Vectrex>I see two partitions
00:57<wow-a-name>same error
00:57<wow-a-name>i did a symlink
00:57<somiaj>wow-a-name: other wise you may have to chroot into the actually install and manually install grub
00:57<Vectrex>One's called primary, ones called logical
00:57<somiaj>wow-a-name: if you see df -h you do see /dev, /proc, etc mounted inside the target install?
00:57<Vectrex>Which one do I resize?
00:57<wow-a-name>ill read the tip
00:57<wow-a-name>somiaj yes
00:58<somiaj>wow-a-name: yea chroot into the actually install. then get grub to work, shoudl be fine
00:58<wow-a-name>well i see /dev /boot /home /media/cdrom
00:58<somiaj>wow-a-name: well read the factoid about mount --bind into the actually isntall
00:58<Vectrex>somiaj: Which aprtition do I resize? There's one called Primary, then loical
00:59<somiaj>Vectrex: unsure, those don't tell me what the partitions are being used for.
01:01<Vectrex>Ok, one has a B beside it followed by ext4, the otehr one has an F beside it, followed by swap twice
01:01<somiaj>ext4 is the main data partition you have ubuntu on it and then they made a swap partition
01:01<Vectrex>Ok, so i edit the ext4 one?
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01:01<wow-a-name>somiaj how should i manage chrooting without a /bin/*sh
01:01<somiaj>you will probabaly want to keep swap, so yes use the ext4 one
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01:02<somiaj>wow-a-name: what do you mean? The live image you are booted in should have these tools.
01:02<wow-a-name>should i copy sh or bash over
01:02<wow-a-name>well /dev/sdb1 didnt have it
01:02<wow-a-name>ohhh wait
01:03<wow-a-name>/dev/sdb1 is boot lol
01:03<wow-a-name>shold be on /dev/sdb6
01:03<wow-a-name>so yeah uh
01:03<somiaj>wow-a-name: well you need to have you rwhole isntall mounted
01:03<wow-a-name>ok let me redo this
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01:03<wow-a-name>i followed verbatim not taking my setup into account
01:03<somiaj>so you need /dev/sdb6 at /target and /dev/sdb1 at /target/boot (or whever the install is located)
01:04<somiaj>wow-a-name: at this stage it might be worth downloading the jessie netinstall (or unoffical fimrware installer) and just isntalling jessie since youa re planning up upgrading anyways.
01:04<somiaj>wow-a-name: again depends on how comfortable you are with fixing this grub issue manually
01:05<wow-a-name>well like i said my ethernet cable is short and im feeling a bit masochistic tonight
01:06<wow-a-name>i can probably fix it manually and pick up how it works
01:06<wow-a-name>its useful knowledge to have
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01:16<wow-a-name>somiaj i dont have /boot/efi...
01:17<wow-a-name>the netinst is probably a better choice for all this unless i can hack my way tonight
01:17<somiaj>wow-a-name: the live images don't support efi boot, so you can only do legacy boot with them.
01:17<wow-a-name>otherwise i guess ill wait
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01:18<wow-a-name>it says on efi
01:18*wow-a-name should read
01:19<wow-a-name>well yeah regardless i think ill wait
01:20<wow-a-name>update-grub seems to be missing, it's 1am and i dont want to hunt for it
01:20<wow-a-name>thanks though
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01:20<wow-a-name>i think i have my data partition ready to go so at least can back up files i need to
01:20<wow-a-name>with the livecd lol
01:22<somiaj>wow-a-name: you need to install the grub package first (you can find it on the live usb somewhere)
01:22<somiaj>wow-a-name: the package failed to install was the issue
01:23<wow-a-name>thats a question i had: how do i look up local packages again
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01:23<wow-a-name>i think its something with the apt repositories file
01:23<wow-a-name>i remember doing it a while bakc
01:24<somiaj>wow-a-name: dpkg -l will list all installed packages.
01:24<somiaj>wow-a-name: your apt repos probabaly aren't set up if you don't have the internet so you may have to manually fix things
01:24<wow-a-name>yeah :p
01:25<wow-a-name>>mound: command not found
01:25<wow-a-name>i need to get my life together
01:26<wow-a-name>oh lord
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01:27<wow-a-name>i mounted my external hdd to /mnt and df shows 179gb used (expected) but nothing shows up in /mnt
01:27<wow-a-name>ill try a remount but i dont want anything to screw up
01:27<wow-a-name>remount is same
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01:29<wowaname>on windows it lists the directory
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01:31<somiaj>wowaname: type 'mount' to see the list of currently mounted things, did it actually mount?
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01:31<wowaname>"type fuseblk"
01:31<wowaname>not ntfs...
01:32<Vectrex>I have debian installed, it booted to a command line
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01:32<yz>bonjour tout le monde
01:32<Vectrex>What do I need to do to get my network card working
01:32<yz>j'aurais une question a vous posé ?
01:32<wowaname>Vectrex what does `ip link` read?
01:32<wowaname>what kind of network card
01:33<Vectrex>ip link?
01:33<wowaname>yeah if youre at a command line that should pull up network interfaces available
01:34<Vectrex>It pulls up a bunch of stuff, nothing related to my graphics card
01:34<Vectrex>Sorry, Network card
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01:35<Vectrex>As Far as I know, my install CD has the firmware I need to get my network card running.
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01:37<Laogeodritt>!fr yz
01:37<wowaname>Laogeodritt it may be pm
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01:38<wowaname>i got a pm from the bot too
01:38<Laogeodritt>yz: pour l'aide en français, joignez-vous au canal #debian-fr
01:38<wowaname>!fr wowaname
01:38<yz>yes merci Laogeodritt :)
01:38<Vectrex>How do I get the drivers I need so I can get debian an internet connection
01:38<wowaname>oh nvm
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01:39<Laogeodritt>wowaname: dpkg might not support adding an argument to highlight a person. I get my helper bots mixed up sometimes >.<
01:40<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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01:40<wowaname>anyhow what is the fuseblk filesystem
01:40<talos_>How is everyone doing tonight?
01:41<Vectrex>Hi talos
01:41<wowaname>and why is it showing up instead of ntfs
01:41<talos_>Vectrex, Do you remember eXtace waveform viewer?
01:41<Vectrex>I need help
01:41<talos_>It's pretty neat.
01:41<talos_>Trying to configure it, but I don't quite understand esound.
01:41<wowaname>Ther short answer is that "fuseblk" is just how an ntfs partition is reported via the "mount" command, among others. The "fuse" part comes from FUSE (file system in userspace).
01:41<wowaname>so it's ntfs
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01:42<wowaname>still doesnt explain the absence of a ls
01:43<Vectrex>I had some problems getting my network to work when I was installing debian, so I left the steps that require internet out
01:44<Vectrex>Now, I want to configure debian to use my network card, so I can install the UI
01:45<Vectrex>Please help
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01:46<wowaname>>ask what network card vectrex has
01:46<wowaname>>get no response
01:46<wowaname>sorry bud
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02:00<talos_>Is there a way to make Pulseaudio work with ESD?
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02:20<Tiller>I've a tiny-big problem with my debian-server. I tried to upgrade apache2 (apt-get install apache2) but it pretty much failed. And after that, almost every command I typed returned an error "error while loading shared libraries: ...: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
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02:21<themill>What were you trying to upgrade from and to? How did you go about it?
02:21<Tiller>I exported in LD_LIBRARY_PATH the libraries' paths, and then the command worked again. However, my ssh server seems broken and so I only have now my active ssh left to repair it :)
02:23<Tiller>From apache 2.2, and to... the latest one
02:23<Tiller>You can find every I did there: (in french sorry)
02:23<themill>what release of debian are you trying to run?
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02:24<Tiller>debian wheezy 2.5
02:24<Tiller>7.5 sorry*
02:24<themill>apache 2.2 is the latest apache in wheezy.
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02:24<Tiller>(on the log I sent, I tried "apt-get upgrade apache2", but I cancelled the command)
02:26<somiaj>Tiller: What repo are you using to get the 2.4 version of apache from?
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02:27<Tiller>for the moment I wasn't trying to upgrade to a specific apache version, just wanted to update to the latest. But I'll print my repos
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02:28<somiaj>Tiller: put the output of apt-cache policy at
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02:29<Tiller>But for now, apache is not what is worrying me. It's the fact that I can't open any new ssh connection to my server. If my current session crashes, I'm in trouble
02:30<Tiller>is not worrying me*
02:30<somiaj>you shouldn't use 'stable' in your sources.list that is part of your problem. So you are mixing squeeze, wheezy and jessie sources. This is going to be trouble.
02:31<Tiller>do i keep only wheezy main and wheezy updates main?
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02:31<somiaj>!tell Tiller about wheezy sources.list
02:31<themill>oh what a mess
02:32<somiaj>Tiller: problem is if you started to mix wheezy and jessie packages, you could have lots of issues you have to fix
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02:34<Tiller>Should I try to force install every packages that my `apt-get install apache2` impacted?
02:36<somiaj>You should track down which packages you have installed that are not from the wheezy repos and fix it (or at least have a valid reason why this additional package is installed)
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02:40<Tiller>well, I'm in trouble then. I don't think I'm able to do it. I've a pretty good idea to which package are failing me, but no idea how to repeair them
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02:41<Tiller>everytime I try an apt-get command, these packages are listed in error:
02:41<Tiller>and it seems they all were in the apache2 update list
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03:04<dtw>With Nouveau graphics driver "xset s" screen saver never activates. Any ideas how? ("xset dpms" works, though.)
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03:08<twb>s is screen blanking after inactivity
03:08<twb>I'm not sure what the default params are tho
03:09<twb>I know that e.g. mplayer can disable it while you're watching a movie
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03:09<twb>Does "xset s activate" work?
03:10<dtw>It doesn't. That's what I'm saying. :-)
03:10<twb>For me, that acts similar to "xset dpms force off"
03:10<twb>dtw: OK sorry -- was just establishing you were actually testing it correctly
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03:10<twb>I don't know about nouveau, so that's all I *can* do :-(
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03:11<dtw>With Nvidia proprieatry driver xset screen blanking works.
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03:11<dtw>(Thanks anyway.)
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03:18<dakka>i would like to mount a remote ext4 volume and be able to have permissions and owner/group etc. I currently use cifs to mount and have finally realised this does not allow permissions or owner/group (the idea is to use rsync -a on it)
03:18<twb>dakka: rsync is usually run over ssh
03:19<dakka>yes correct
03:19<twb>Can you do that instead of mounting the fs? It means installing rsync & ssh on both ends.
03:19<dakka>ignore rsync, sorry shouldnt have mentioned that. I just need to mount a linux volume so it can handle permissions and owner/group
03:20<dakka>cifs doesnt seem to support such things, so any time i copy to it, i lose permissions etc
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03:20<twb>Well for unix-to-unix the obvious answer is NFSv4
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03:20<dakka>does that allow for permissions etc?
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03:20<twb>I'm pretty sure you can tell CIFS to enable unix extensions and then you can change POSIX DAC permissions, as long as smbd is allowed to by the remote kernel
03:21<twb>Do you just need DAC, or also xattrs/MAC ?
03:21<twb>dakka: NFS can definitely do it
03:21<dakka>I am totally confused about this. I just checked...i can have perms and owner/group, so its just the rsync that doesnt work
03:21<twb>what rsync command did you use?
03:21<dakka>ok let me explain what is not working for me...sorry I asked this wrong
03:22<twb>No problem
03:22<dakka>remote system is centos, my local system is debian and i have a NAS, which I have mounted a volume using cifs...i call that /mnt/backup
03:23<twb>debian:/mnt/backup or centos:/mnt/backup
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03:23<dakka>now i run rsync -av user@remote-server:/home/path/ /mnt/backup/path
03:24<dakka>debian my local system is /mnt/backup (which i mounted via cifs to my synology NAS)
03:24<dakka>rsync does not presever permissions nor owner/group
03:24<dakka>I read cifs doesnt support this, but that cant be since I can see perms and owner/group and can set them via my local system
03:25<twb>Do a test rsyncing it to /tmp/delete-me instead, and see if the perms are preserved there
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03:26<dakka>that works
03:27<twb>OK so either debian's kernel things your rsync user lacks permissions; or (more likely) synology smb.conf is blocking some/all of the changes.
03:27<dakka>sorry perms work, owner/group doesnt (but thats not important)
03:27<twb>Show me the cifs mount line from /proc/mounts
03:27<twb>And if you can, show me smb.conf from synology
03:27<dakka>on my local system? just type it in here?
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03:28<twb>dakka: /proc/mounts is a read-only data file. cat it (on debian), find the cifs line, and copy-paste it.
03:29<twb> <-- NFS example
03:29<dakka>just gonna change a few bits for safety...heh
03:29<dakka>/192.168.x.xx/backups /mnt/backups cifs rw,relatime,vers=1.0,cache=strict,username=dakka,domain=DAKKA-NAS,uid=1000,forceuid,gid=1000,forcegid,addr=192.168.x.xx,unix,posixpaths,serverino,acl,rsize=1048576,wsize=1048576,actimeo=1 0 0
03:30<twb>OK so uid=1000 I think means it's faking it over to be your user
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03:30<twb>I haven't done cifs for a while
03:30<twb>Does your synology support NFS?
03:30<dakka>i dont really care what i
03:31<dakka>yes i believe so
03:31<twb>do you trust everyone on your LAN?
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03:31<dakka>not sure where smb.conf is
03:31<twb>OK then easy answer is just use NFS
03:31<dakka>however would prefer to have some form of security, like a username pass would be nice
03:31<twb>Yeah I don't know how to do that in NFS tho
03:31<dakka>i think thats why i am using cifs
03:32<twb>Traditional NFS just assumes the root user on every host is trusted
03:32<dakka>couldnt work out username/pass for nfs
03:32<twb>yeah that requires kerberos faffing about
03:32<twb>You can tell NFS to only allow connections from your IP, but in a home network that's not really any safer
03:32<dakka>bleh...kerberos...i think that is way too complex for what i need....hmm
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03:33<twb>It all depends on your threat model
03:34<twb>The other way you can do this, which is REALLY AWFUL, is what apple time machine does: create a disk image inside your CIFS filesystem, and then loopback-mount your "real" backup filesystem on that
03:34<dakka>I trust my network, but i am paranoid, so i always assume someone will get on there somehow, so I like to at least make things harder
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03:34<dakka>this isnt sounding too nice, i think i read sfssh somewhere...not sure what that is, or if its an option
03:34<twb>Like: truncate -s 32G /mnt/backups/backups.ext4 && mkfs.ext4 /mnt/backups/backups.ext4 && mount -o loop /mnt/backups/backups.ext4 /mnt/real-backups/
03:35<twb>sshfs. it's a FUSE module that makes SFTP appear like a regular filesystem.
03:35<twb>Can you SSH (or at least SFTP) into your synology?
03:35<twb>If not, you can't have SSHFS.
03:35<dakka>yes i can ssh to it
03:35<twb>SSHFS is also at least ten times slower than CIFS/NFS
03:35<dakka>its how i am getting info from it
03:35<twb>SSHFS also has no support for locking, but you probably don't care about that.
03:35<dakka>yea it doesnt sound like a nice way...ssh...extra overhead for nothing
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03:36<twb>Well... that extra overhead is crypto :P
03:36<dakka>yea no issues with locking, i will be the only one using it
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03:36<dakka>everything i am doing externally is encrypted, i dont need to encrypt locally between systems, i think thats going too
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03:37<dakka>ok so with nfs would that mean any1 on my network would then be able to connect to my mount?
03:37<dakka>not sure if i said that right, as u can see i am a complete n00b
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03:38<dakka>i think i will just use nfs via fstab
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03:38<twb>anyone that can talk IP to the synology, yes. You can lock it down by IP, but an attacker on your LAN can probably just statically assign themselves your IP.
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03:39<dakka>hmm yea ok...i might stick with plan A...which is kind of convoluted but will work...
03:40<dakka>rsync to my ~/whatever folder, then tar that and mv it to the synology backup
03:40<twb>I don't know your threat model, but I would probably just use NFS with an IP restriction and accept that it's not very insecure against attackers on your LAN
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03:41<twb>The other thing you can do is use mksquashfs which is dead sexy.
03:41<twb>But it doesn't do incremental backups
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03:41<dakka>ahh yea, i made a bash script that I run via ssh which tars a website, adds the DB then scp's it to my local system
03:41<twb>(squashfs is like, a tarball that you can untar *or* mount.)
03:42<dakka>works great until i get a network disconnect, which kind of kills it
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03:42<dakka>the file transfer takes hours as its a very slow it often fails, which is why i wanted to use rsync
03:42<twb>What I do in one place is run mksquashfs on one end, then rsync the .squashfs file over the previous one.
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03:43<twb>When the two squashfs's are mostly the same, that ends up being about 10% of the total compressed file being transferred
03:44<dakka>is it 1 files? if there are changes in it, wouldnt the rsync try and transfer the entire file?
03:44<twb>rsync has --partial
03:44<dakka>sorry i should look up what mksquashfs is before i ask dumb questions
03:44<twb>It's like a cross between the best parts of an .iso and a .tar.xz
03:44<twb>It's what live CDs are made out of
03:44<dakka>ah i see, so rsync can "look inside" the file to check for changes?
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03:45<twb>well no, but mksquashfs compresses per 1MB block. So if you have a 10MB file that hasn't changed since last time, those 10MB should compress to the same data both times, and rsync will treat that as not needing to copy
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03:46<twb>(That's an oversimplification)
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03:46<dakka>the current tar is about 7gb
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03:46<twb>What I find is that mksquashfs reduces a rootfs to about 25% of its original size, and then rsync transfers about 10% of that
03:46<dakka>i also love the idea of an rsync as i then have a nice sync of the website i am backing up
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03:47<twb>It's kinda horrible and hacky for your use case, but it doesn't require POSIX DAC support on your synology -- just one big file
03:47<dakka>the idea was to rsync, then tar that, automate it all via cron
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03:47<dakka>i would think tar would be similar, its just i keep getting network disconnects and its horribly slow to download to my system
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03:48<dakka>so it needs to be fairly robust and handle bad networks
03:48<twb>The compression rate is worse for binary data, though -- e.g. when $customer makes me install openarena, the openarena files are basically 100% of their original size
03:48<dakka>yea a large percentage is already compressed, as its mostly jpg files
03:49<twb>dakka: can you write out the tarball on the centos server, then rsync it as a separate step?
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03:49<dakka>the source files are on centos, and its a website (and DB)
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03:50<twb>i.e. not ssh centos tar c >/mnt/backup/tar
03:50<dakka>so i was previously taring it on the server then transferring it to my system
03:50<twb>instead ssh centos tar cf tar && rsync centos:tar /mnt/backup/tar
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03:50<twb>if you can do the latter, then rsync --partial should be enough to save you from outages
03:50<dakka>my network failures would probably cause that to fail
03:51<twb>#rsync on freenode is a good place to ask for help tuning your rsync
03:51<dakka>rsync can continue to download a partially downloaded file?
03:51<twb>dakka: effectively, yes
03:51<twb>dakka: it will have to re-check the blocks it has already downloaded, but that is relateively fast
03:51<dakka>wow i didnt know that, rsync sounds better and better
03:52<dakka>yea i think i will just do the easy thing, rsync everything to my home directory, then tar that and mv the tar to my backup
03:52<twb>cf. I had a similar case where that ocaml bidi syncer needed more than a day to compare both ends and decide what to sync, so its daily syncs were overlapping... :-/
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03:52<twb>dakka: cool. It would be sexier to do that with a squashfs but a tarball will do
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03:53<dakka>the only thing that changes often on this site is the DB and more jpg' should be too much of an issue once i have rsync'ed everything
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03:53<dakka>haha, i will look into squashfs as well, i like to learn new things
03:53<dakka>this is my first experience with rsync
03:53<twb>The reason tar sucks is if you want a file at the end, it has to scan all the other files until it gets to that one
03:54<dakka>i have it running, been going for hours now, was hours into it before i realised the permissions
03:54<twb>whereas squashfs is indexed
03:54<dakka>i dont have an issue with tar on my local system, so should be ok
03:54<dakka>ah right i get your point
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03:54<twb>mksquashfs source/ source_2015-07-10.sq -b 1M -comp lzo
03:55<dakka>at any rate the idea was just to have a backup of the website complete with perms, owner/group wont matter if i restore i believe, so not so important for that
03:55<twb>(Using LZO instead of gzip or xz, because JPEGs are already compressed.)
03:55<twb>Oh, another way you could do it would be to just write the DAC data to a file -- that is what etckeeper does
03:55<dakka>space is not such an issue, 7gb per backup, and my NAS has TB's free
03:55<dakka>oh that sounds interesting
03:56<twb>Look at your /etc/.etckeeper it has lines like "maybe chmod 0644 'X11/Xreset.d/README'"
03:56<twb>That's kinda hokey too, though
03:56<twb>I'd rather recover a backup from a squashfs than from that
03:57<dakka>assuming i install that u mean?
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03:57<twb>if you're not using etckeeper go do that now
03:57<dakka>I am used to tar, especially for websites
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03:57<twb>it is the best invention since, like, TCP
03:57<dakka>everyone seems to deal in them
03:57<dakka>lol, i have the github site open to check it out later :D
03:57<twb>yeah well, web people are dumb. Lots of them are still using FTP, even! :-/
03:58<dakka>as well as the squashs
03:58<dakka>lol ftp
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03:58<dakka>may as well use telnet to connect while they are at it...haha. I thought those went out more than a decade ago
03:58<dakka>I havent used FTP in so long i can barely remember
03:59<dakka>thanks a lot for your advice mate, you have been a fountain of knowledge!
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03:59<dakka>I monitor this channel in the hopes of learning, as i am a linux newbie
04:00<dakka>so after my rsync is done, i am hoping i can move the folder to my ~/whatever folder, and then run rsync again...hoping it will update the permissions
04:00<dakka>do u think that would work?
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04:02<twb>if you're just rsyncing a tarball, the permissions are INSIDE the tarball
04:03<dakka>i am rsyncing the files to my home directory, as they maintain the perms that way
04:03<dakka>then i will tar it and move it
04:03<twb>Why not just run tar on the original path?
04:03<dakka>however all perms a broken currently, as i am rsyncing to my backup i will mv that to my home when its finished
04:04<twb>rsync can't preserve all permissions unless you run it as root
04:04<dakka>original path is on the server, I am trying to minimise the CPU usage on there
04:04<twb>Ah you pay for CPU but not for network or disk?
04:04<dakka>I dont think there are any root owners for website files (if there is there shouldnt be)
04:05<twb>still, tar shouldn't use much more CPU...
04:05<dakka>my current backup method with ssh, scp, tar, using bash script, makes the site very slow while its doing all that
04:05<twb>gzip or xz would
04:05<dakka>also when i am downloading
04:05<dakka>yep am using gzip
04:05<dakka>sorry tar, then gzip
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04:05<twb>You can use ionice, nice, and ssh -oIPQoS=throughput
04:06<twb>dakka: well use LZ4 or LZO instead of gzip
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04:06<twb>since they're JPEGs, gzip is doing nothing
04:06<dakka>there are lots of tiny files as well as normal website stuff, like php
04:06<dakka>the tar was just for convenience to be honest
04:07<dakka>but my new method will have almost zero impact on the server
04:07<twb>all JPG --> don't compress at all; mostly JPG, some TXT --> use LZO or LZ4
04:07<dakka>since all the heavy lifting will be done on my PC
04:08<dakka>yea i know, the purpose of the tar was just to have a backup, i tried out several methods, and found gzip compressed the tar a little more, and wasnt too bad on CPU on the server
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04:08<dakka>on my local PC it doesnt even break out in a sweat doing tar its fairly new pc
04:08<dakka>anyways, thanks a lot mate, you have been very helpful!
04:09<twb>If you have the CPU, you might as well use xz instead of gzip
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04:09<twb>oh incidentally, jpegoptim!
04:09<dakka>is that that bz2 extension thingy?
04:09<twb>xz is stronger than gzip and faster than bz2
04:09<twb>xz is the same thing 7z and rar use
04:09<dakka>can i do that via tar?
04:10<twb>tar --xz
04:10<dakka>i m using tar -zccf at the moment
04:10<twb>or tar c | xz -c >tar.xz, which is all --xz is really doing
04:10<dakka>tar -zcvf*
04:10<twb>-z is gzip --xz is xz
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04:11<dakka>so something like tar -xzcvf ?
04:11<twb>no you must say --xz on its own, two minuses
04:11<twb>tar --xz -cvf walrus.txz walrus/
04:11<dakka>all right! thank will add that to my script and try it
04:11<twb>The rules for that are called GNU long options / getopts
04:11<dakka>I tend to script everything...haha
04:12<twb>xz uses more CPU than gzip for compression, but not really for decompression
04:12<dakka>thats cool i have 8 cores
04:12<twb>xz is also single-core :P
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04:12<dakka>my cpu's hardly every max out...yet to see it
04:12<dakka>then its ok if 1 of them maxes
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04:13<twb>But you can use pxz or pixz to use 8 cores
04:13<twb>Or you can use mksquashfs
04:13<dakka>its no big deal, will happen on its own via cron
04:13<dakka>whats the extension traditionlly used for xz? .tar.xz ?
04:13<twb>I would also change "tar" to "nice ionice -c3 tar", so the kernel will only run it when nobody else wants the CPU
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04:13<twb>dakka: yes
04:13<twb>.tar.xz or .txz
04:14<dakka>hmm thats a nice little trick!
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04:15<dakka>i love using tools that are already installed (esp on most linux distros)
04:15<dakka>saves me rooting about on a server
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04:17<dakka>lovely did man on ionice...very cool!
04:17*dakka add that to his every growing mountain of linux notes
04:18<dakka>on that note, time for dinner...thanks heaps twb and take care :D
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04:18<twb>dakka: and rsync --rsh='ssh -oIPQoS=throughput' which is the networking equivalent of ionice
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04:23<dakka>oh nice, noted as well, thanks
04:23<dakka>dinner ready and a movie now :D
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05:00<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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06:32<anon>Ermagerd, I can't adjust my backlight on dis Thinkpad. Halp
06:33<twb>What you try so far?
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06:34<anon>I tried putting 'acpi_backlight=vendor' in /etc/default/grub
06:34<twb>What model thinkpad? How are you attempting to change the backlight (e.g. via some gui, via /sys/class/backlight, ...)?
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06:36<anon>It's a thinkpad e555, aparently not a lot of linux support around. I'm just trying by pressing the lil backlight bottons.
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06:38<twb>Do you know you to use a terminal?
06:40<twb>OK try something like this:
06:40<twb>If you can make it work from CLI, you can worry about making the buttons work separately
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06:42<anon>Ohhh, cool, thanks.
06:43<twb>The reason mine is 0 there is the lid is closed :P
06:44<anon>How are you managing that? SSH? some mad laptop/moniter/keyboard setup? X3
06:44<twb>HDMI port
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06:44<twb>I tried using an aural interface but I was too crap
06:45<twb>I wanted to be on the train and be like "look how hacker I am, I am programming using EARBUDS instead of a loser screen"
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06:46<anon>Well, we've all been there, wanting to look like matrix badasses or something.
06:46<twb>TBH the switch from festival to flite was the biggest problem
06:48<anon>Too meta for me dude XD
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06:57<at0m|c>twb: and sphinx instead of keyboard
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06:59<twb>at0m|c: no thanks
06:59<twb>is digital computer- I use digits to interface!
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08:23<socram>Hello, I am having issues booting successfully into my Debian system after installing another copy of Debian on a different disk, let me elaborate.
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08:25<socram>The machine is a laptop with two HDD slots. On the internal and non-exchangeable slot there is an Hitachi HDD with Windows 7 installed with Master Boot Record Partition table. It is the only Operating System on that disk.
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08:26<socram>On a second HDD there is Debian 8.1 using encrypted LVM, which after installing added an entry named "debian" to my BIOS boot sources list.
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08:28<socram>On a third storage device (SSD), which I change very often with disk #2 when the machine is shut off. In this SSD there is another installation of Debian and the same version.
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08:29<socram>Now when I change back to disk #2, and when I use the boot entry named "debian", I get a grub rescue prompt. Before that prompt there is an UUID, which is relative to one of the partitions in disk #3.
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08:30<socram>I have already recovered what I needed from disk #2, the problem is that I will need to install Debian again on it ( a different version) and I would prefer that it would not interfere with me booting into Debian on disk #3.
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08:31<socram>The boot entry for the name of disk #2 when it's connected just makes the BIOS boot selection menu blink.
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08:32<socram>Note that all of these systems were all fully functional the last time I powered them off, so it's not likely that the cause is in miss-configuration.
08:33<socram>In essence, the question is how I prevent these entries on the BIOS boot menu from getting replaced, if that is what is happening?
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08:34<socram>In any case I am open to alternatives as well. However, I do need the installation to be on three separate storage devices.
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08:44<socram>I fear if I reinstall grub in the respective failing-to-boot system, the other installation on the other disk will get into the same situation and leading to a cycle, which would have me reinstall grub whenever I want to access a different disk.
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09:03<Lostfile>is it possible to get kde 5 in debian jessie some how
09:04<themill>not really
09:06<Lostfile>they must have not ported it to debian yet
09:06<Lostfile>but then again will they?
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09:25<dreth>Hello again, I removed debian and installed linux mint, but since linux mint is based on ubuntu and ubuntu on debian, I thought it would be appropriate to find help here since no one can help me ibn #linuxmint-help
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09:25<dreth>First of all, I am working on a 128GB Surface Pro 2, I have Windows 8.1 installed on my 128GB SSD and Linuxmint 17.2 installed on a 32 GB microsd card.
09:25<dreth>When installing I made three partitions on the microsd card, a ext4 / 30GB partition, a 300MB EFI partition and a 1GB Swap logical partition.
09:25<dreth>Installed EasyBCD on Windows and linuxmint was automatically added to it, I just modified the drive where linuxmint is from C: to D:, but still, when rebooting, it will appear blank and will substitute the D: drive with Device: \Device\HarddiskVolume2
09:25<dreth>I can perfectly boot into windows 8.1, I made a USB drive with rEFInd to try to boot into Linuxmint and also tried to boot from advanced restart on windows and nothing happens, it gives me the "minimal bash-like line editing...." error and allows me to enter commands as grub>
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09:26<planetmaker>dreth, however anything not-debian, also derived distros are off-topic here
09:27<planetmaker>thus no, it's not appropriate to ask here about help for other distros. Use the appropriate support channels for those, please
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09:27<dreth>alright, thank you
09:28<abrotman>dreth: Mint has their own channel for support
09:28<dreth>excuse my ignorance
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09:28<abrotman>dreth: IIRC
09:28<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at or join #linuxmint-help on for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
09:28<dreth>yes, I know, but they told me that I would not find help for my issue there
09:29<dreth>but thank you anyways
09:30<abrotman>then maybe try ##linux on
09:31<dreth>alrighty, thank you abrotman
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10:06<Salad>hey, I'm kinda new and not really sure where to start with this. I have a pc with a radeon 280X with debian 8 and cinnamon on it. the open source driver (xserver-xorg-video-ati) seems to have been installed by default, but cinnamon is still in software rendering mode.
10:06<Salad>can anyone give me any clues on what I should look at to try fix that?
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10:11<Salad>nvm found what I missed in the instructions ^^
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10:30<abrotman>Salad: did you install the firmware for the ati cards?
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10:45<samkod>anyone know what font this is?
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10:57<lzz>samkod: i'm curious..what is this blue firefox icon in picture
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11:03<abrotman>lzz: Iceweasel
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11:04<abrotman>lzz: probably better to ask the MATE channel on Freenode
11:04<abrotman>samkod: probably better to ask the MATE channel on Freenode
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11:05<samkod>I'm doing that too :)
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11:05<lostatwork>looks like noto sans
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11:09<samkod>thats it. thanks!
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11:10<CLutChPenCiL>I am on Wheezy. My laptop has a VGA port and I am trying to connect my samsung lcd tv as a 2nd monitor via its HDMI port. I am using a working VGA to HDMI connector. The same setup works for all of my Raspberry PIs.
11:10<CLutChPenCiL>On my display settings (in Wheezy), I can see a 2nd monitor, and can change its resolution settings. However, my tv says there is no input on HDMI and HDMI/DVI port (it has 2 ports). Any help on this plz.
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11:11*CLutChPenCiL wonders
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11:15<jadz>Guys I have a problem all other programs like vlc and xbmc plays audio automatically through the usb speakers EXCEPT firefox. Is there an argument I can add to firefox to use ALSA USB speakers ?
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11:42<kurt>Was wondering if anyone here would mind helping me with a dependency issue I have on Debian Jessie
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11:48<retrospectacus>kurt: go ahead
11:48<kurt>Ok, basically I am trying to install Lightworks via a .deb file (Video editing software) on Debian Jessie and when I run the .deb file I get "Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: libjpeg8 (>=8c)" So I guess my version of libjpeg8 is too low.. I check my package manager and I can only see "libjpeg62-turbo" I read online Jessie migrated from libjpeg to libjpeg-turbo? so this is causing my dependency issue I guess?
11:49<kurt>Just wondering what the best way to solve this is? since I can't directly install libjpeg8 via the package manager and if I could get it another it safe to do so? here is the website of the software I need it's also where I got the .deb from
11:49<kurt>Or am I stuck and would need to wait for the software to bring an update to work with libjpeg-turbo instead or another fix? or just use antoher distro or windows for the software?
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11:50<CLutChPenCiL>where did you get this deb?
11:51<CLutChPenCiL>Compiled locally or downloaded?
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11:52<CLutChPenCiL>ok, got it
11:53<aeb>kurt: from the website I see that Debian is not one of their supported distros
11:53<CLutChPenCiL>Why don't you compile it locally...
11:54<aeb>kurt: but there is a libjpeg8 version 8d that apparently didn't make it into jessie
11:55<kurt>Hmm, not sure I can compile it locally? do I not need the source for that? I only have access to the .deb
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11:55<kurt>aeb: howcome the libjpeg8 version didnt make it into jessie?
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11:56<kurt>It's a bit annoying that they list on their site: Linux Supported Debian Distros: Ubuntu/Lubuntu/Xubuntu 14.04 Mint 17 but completely not compatible with Debian itself it seems :/
11:56<kurt>I was kinda hoping it'd work since they seemed to be targeting debian based distros.
11:56<CLutChPenCiL>well, Ubuntu is debian...
11:57<CLutChPenCiL>you can get the older lib (libjpeg8) then. why you suppose it won't be safe?
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11:59<aeb>kurt: likely libjpeg8 had a release critical bug that wasn't fixed in time
11:59<kurt>I dunno if it's safe or not... I wanted to ask first and secondly..where could I get the older libjpeg8 from? It isn't in my package manager :( I wouldnt call myself a Linux noob but I don't feel I know enough to know if it'd be safe or not to install an old library that isnt in my package manager I wanted to double check with peopel more experienced first
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11:59<kurt>aeb: ahh ok, I see. A bit disappointing :(
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12:00<aeb>kurt: you could try downloading and installing the testing version:
12:00<CLutChPenCiL>did you check this:
12:00<aeb>it has little in the way of dependencies and might simply work
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12:04<kurt>Thanks for the links guys,
12:05<kurt>Which link should I use, whats the difference betweeen aeb's link and CLutChPenCiL link?
12:05<kurt>I guess CLutChPenCiL link is the old wheezy library? and aeb is the new library in next testing version of debian?
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12:07<aeb>testing (stretch) and unstable (sid) version are the same currently, so no difference. my link goes directly to the download page for amd64.
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12:10<kurt>ahh ok
12:11<kurt>What if I were to try and use the wheezy library?
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12:11<kurt>since that isn't testing or unstable if I'm correct?
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12:12<kurt>or does it not really matter?
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12:14<aeb>wheezy is oldstable, and it had a security backport by the looks of it. the versions are almost the same, not much happened. just try the current one, it really has little dependencies and they appear to be satisfied in jessie.
12:14<somiaj>kurt: the libjpeg8 libary is not compadable with the libjpeg libary used by most other programs). Unsure how well just isntalling the package from another version of debian will work.
12:15<somiaj>I just remember in wheezy some issue with having both libjpeg8 and libjpeg62 installed at the same time.
12:16<kurt>somiaj: so you think I should uninstall libjpeg62-turbo before I install libjpeg8?
12:16<somiaj>kurt: I'm unsure what the best way to satisify a libjpe8 dependency of some third party program.
12:17<kurt>aeb: ok, I'll try the current one from stretch, thanks for the info :)
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12:17<kurt>somiaj: I'll keep this in mind, I'll leave libjpeg62-turbo for now but if I have issues I'll remove it and see how things are, worst case scenario I'll remove libjpeg8 and go back to libjpeg62-turbo
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12:20<kurt>Ok the library installed with no issues will try lightworks now :)
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12:21<kurt>Lightworks seems to be installing no problem so far :D
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12:27<kurt>hmm weird, lightworks installed fine..and then when I run it..just loads a blank screen... lol
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12:27<kurt>tried it with primusrun to use my nvidia card and without...
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12:28<kurt>terminal doesnt output anything just goes to a new line as if no command is currently running once the empty window for lightworks loads but lightworks is empty and wont do anything lol
12:28<kurt>probably a library issue? but I need to go and eat now.. I'll try and figure this one out later at least its installed now :)
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12:47<fishcat>I'm looking for an "update notifier" for the mate desktop notification area in the panel. I want something like a flashing icon when there are system updates available. package "update-notifier" is pointing to gnome-packagekit. Does gnome-packagekit do what I am looking for?
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13:12<ary>Hi. How do I move the e-mail notifications of icedove to another place? The notification is apearing at the middle of the screen and is bugging me off
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13:13<xcb1>ary: icedove does e-mail notifications?
13:13<xcb1>is that built in or an extension
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13:28<ary>xcb1, doesnt know mate. i think is a gnome thing!
13:29<ary>xcb1, I search on icedoves config and found nothing
13:29<abrotman>ary: turn them off, about:config
13:32<ary>abrotman, Cant. I need them mate, but on another place
13:32<abrotman>so go in there, see if oyu can alter that
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13:32<abrotman>or get a different notification applet
13:33<ary>applet for what? Gnome or Icedoves? That is the big question!
13:33<abrotman>"Email notification"
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13:38<CLutChPenCiL>Anyone around to help with a display issue...
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13:38<ary>It was a gnome thing like I sayd. Here is the solution:
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13:39<ary>works like a charm!
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13:39<CLutChPenCiL>I am on Wheezy. My laptop has a VGA port and I am trying to connect my samsung lcd tv as a 2nd monitor via its HDMI port. I am using a working VGA to HDMI connector. The same setup works for all of my Raspberry PIs.
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13:39<CLutChPenCiL>On my display settings (in Wheezy), I can see a 2nd monitor, and can change its resolution settings. However, my tv says there is no input on HDMI and HDMI/DVI port (it has 2 ports). Any help on this plz.
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13:49<ary>CLutChPenCiL, the correct drivers are installed?
13:49<dtw>CLutChPenCiL, perhaps you could paste "xrandr" command output somewhere?
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13:50<CLutChPenCiL>let me paste it
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13:51<CLutChPenCiL>Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1024 x 600, maximum 4096 x 4096
13:51<CLutChPenCiL>LVDS1 connected 1024x600+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 223mm x 125mm
13:51<CLutChPenCiL> 1024x600 60.0*+
13:51<CLutChPenCiL> 800x600 60.3 56.2
13:51<CLutChPenCiL> 640x480 59.9
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13:53<CLutChPenCiL>So how do I know if I have correct drivers installed?
13:53<dpkg>mukkolo72: vedi
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13:59<dpkg>hello, centrx
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14:00<Vectrex>Ok, I need some help
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14:01<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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14:03<Vectrex>I went ahead and installed debian yesterday through a netinst CD, but everytime I tried to set up my ntwork, it would fail So, I skipped the steps that require internet (Including agreeing to the Wi-Fi Card Firmware Licence), and so, I installed a basic system
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14:03<centrx>How did it fail?
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14:04<Vectrex>I would select my network, select the security, then type in my passphrase, but as soon as I pressed enter on the passphrase screen, it would go Immediately back to asking me what network I wish to use.
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14:06<viccuad>guys, what is the way to obtain the *whole* number of debian bugs on the bug tracker? and not only the open ones?
14:06<Vectrex>I checked in the console and it said something about being unable to connect to 'Wpasupllient'
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14:07<centrx>viccuad, find out what the latest bug number is
14:08<viccuad>centrx: duh, yes
14:08<knocte>why git-import-dsc has a --create-missing-branches flag and git-import-orig doesn't??
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14:17<Vectrex>I went ahead and installed debian yesterday through a netinst CD, but everytime I tried to set up my ntwork, it would fail So, I skipped the steps that require internet (Including agreeing to the Wi-Fi Card Firmware Licence), and so, I installed a basic system. The way it failed is that I would select my network, select the security, then type in m
14:17<Vectrex>y passphrase, but as soon as I pressed enter on the passphrase screen, it would go Immediately back to asking me what network I wish to use, with an error in the console about not being able to connect to wpasuppliant. Now I have the basic system installed, I want to get my network card working. I have Ubuntu on the computer as well, and ubuntu is
14:17<Vectrex>connected to my Wi-Fi, so I do have an internet connection on the computer.
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14:24<blast007>Vectrex: was it a netinst with firmware?
14:25<Vectrex>But, the network initilization always failed, so I aborted and then did NOT install the firmware
14:26<blast007>any idea what wifi it is? lspci -nn | grep -i network
14:27<Vectrex>Gimme a sec lemme boot into debian
14:27<blast007>if it's in Ubuntu that'd work too
14:27<Vectrex>Dang too late
14:28<blast007>oh well, it'll be useful anyway since we can check logs
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14:29<Vectrex>Ok, my Network card is a Intel Corperation PRO/Wireless 2915ABG [Calexico2] (Rev 05)
14:31<Vectrex>I did just notice something
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14:32<jadz>Guys I have a problem all other programs like vlc and xbmc plays audio automatically through the usb speakers EXCEPT firefox. Is there an argument I can add to firefox to use ALSA USB speakers ?
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14:34<blast007>Vectrex: and 'dpkg -s firmware-ipw2x00' shows that package as installed?
14:35<orangensaft>Is anyone here who knows considers themselves a RAID expert? I've been idling on freenode/#linux-raid for a bit more than three hours, not much activity there..
14:35<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
14:36<orangensaft>RAID5 grow from 4 to 5 disks - interrupted reshape - mdadm assemble fails -
14:36<Vectrex>the firmware is not installed
14:36<dtw>jadz, Firefox/Iceweasel is probably using the default alsa device. Check the devices with "aplay -l" and paste the output to so I might be able to help.
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14:37<orangensaft>blast007: Well, I guess I deserved that. :)
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14:38<blast007>Vectrex: okay, that's the firmware package for that wifi, so you'll just want to download that to a flash drive, and then install it with 'dpkg -i firmware-ipw2x00_0.43_all.deb'
14:38<blast007>orangensaft: sorry, I should have been slightly more patient ;)
14:39<jadz>dtw, thanks for the replay here is the out put
14:39<Vectrex>OK, gimme a sec
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14:42<dtw>jadz, try creating file ~/.asoundrc with this content and restart Firefox/Iceweasel:
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14:47<jadz>dtw, OMFG thanks a lot it worksssss!
14:47<dtw>jadz, just one more thing...
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14:48<Vectrex>blast007: It cant find the file
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14:49<blast007>did you mount the flash drive and change to the appropriate directory (or provide the full path to the file) ?
14:49<dtw>jadz, you may want to change the default control panel to USB device too. I added ctl.!default section to my example:
14:49<Vectrex>blast007: I don't know how to navigate around the command line of linux very well
14:49<Vectrex>So, I don't know how to do that
14:50<jadz>dtw, thank you will add it
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14:53<blast007>Vectrex: 'lsblk' will list your drives (and their partitions). If you only have one hard drive, the flash drive is probably sdb and should have one partition.
14:53<Vectrex>how do you mount the USB?
14:55<blast007>if sdb is your flash drive, then you could do: sudo mkdir /mnt/usb ; sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/usb
14:55<blast007>(and then 'cd /mnt/usb' and 'ls' to see if you see that file)
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14:58<Vectrex>-bash: sudo: Command not found
14:59<Vectrex>^ That's the error I got
14:59<retrospectacus>that's my favourite error
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15:00<Vectrex>^ Not helping
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15:02<Vectrex>Yeah, all I get is -bash: sudo: command not found
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15:03<Vectrex>blast007: sdb is my flash drive, but it won't mount
15:04<centrx>Vectrex, Use su to get a root shell, same concept as sudo
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15:07<Vectrex>no pssword entry for user 'mkdir'?
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15:08<jthomas_>that's not usually a username, it's a command to make a directory. first use 'su -' and then you're root, and as root you run 'mkdir ___'
15:08<jthomas_>unlike sudo mkdir, su mkdir would cause you to become mkdir. so do it as separate commands, first 'su -' and then 'mkdir'
15:09<jthomas_>(sudo runs a command as root; 'su -' causes the user to become root, to then have a root shell)
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15:12<Vectrex>Ok, installing the firmware
15:12<Vectrex>ok done
15:12<Vectrex>Now, how do I set up a wi-fi connection
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15:15<retrospectacus>usually you use a widget that appears on your panel
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15:15<Vectrex>^ I'm in command line
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15:16<Vectrex>and I don't have GUI right now
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15:16<retrospectacus>run "ifconfig -a" to see if your wifi device is present
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15:17<retrospectacus>or "ip a"
15:17<retrospectacus>as per that wiki..
15:18<Vectrex>How do you get out of su?
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15:19<rhostat>Vextrex: Not as simple as typing 'exit'.
15:20<centrx>yes it is
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15:20<rhostat>centrx: I stand corrected.
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15:24<Vectrex>It shows up if I do lspci -nn|grep -i network but if I do ip a, it doesn't appear
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15:27<retrospectacus>run as root: modprobe -r ipw2200 ; modprobe ipw2200
15:28<retrospectacus>if wlan0 is still not in "ip a" run "dmesg" and there should be some relevant info at the end
15:29<Vectrex>Ok, it seems to detect my network crad
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15:30<Vectrex>however, when I use iwconfig, it says command not found
15:30<Heimdal>I can't seem to access my windows share. It shows up in network but I can't actually access it. I says "Failed to open "/ on "." What should I do?
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15:32<jthomas_>iwcommand as root?
15:32<jthomas_>iwconfig as root?
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15:33<Vectrex>^ I am in root, i've even tried su -, but Command not found is all I get for both commands
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15:34<Marillion>Vectrex: install
15:35<blast007>may also needto grab libiw30
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15:37<Marillion>Vectrex: and is a good searching side if you need a package without knowing the name of the package
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15:39<polyzium>hey guys
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15:41<polyzium>i have a problem here
15:41<Vectrex>Tried to install wireless tools, gave me an error saying something about dependency problems
15:41<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
15:42<Marillion>Vectrex: use apt-get and NOT the only package itself
15:42<polyzium>apt-get tries to remove everything while i'm trying to install libjpeg62
15:43<polyzium>using debian jessie
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15:44<Vectrex>Marillion: I installed libiw30 then wireless tools, it seemed to work fine, is that OK?
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15:47<polyzium>anybody will help me?
15:47<Marillion>Vectrex: i repeat my answer, use apt-get for installing packages, and NOT once .deb for everything
15:47<Marillion>unless you know what you are doing
15:48<zorrot>question: fresh install on a asrock qt1900 itx motherboard, debian jessie -- install went perfectly, but on restart it just keeps restarting. it shows a bit about mounting the drive, then enters a continuous restart loop. i am able to get it to boot into recovery mode.
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15:49<polyzium>apt-get tries to remove everything because of a single package!!! using debian 8! help
15:50<Brigo>zorrot, try to check logs, or something, push pause when booting to try to see some error message.
15:50<zorrot>it doesn't show an error message
15:50<zorrot>i can see it, it just reboots. no explanation
15:50<zorrot>and which logs would i be checking?
15:51<Brigo>zorrot, /var/log/kern.log or /var/log/syslog, etc.
15:51<zorrot>tail -100 /var/log/syslog | less
15:52<zorrot>brigo: no syslog...
15:52<Brigo>zorrot, try systemctl, then.
15:53<zorrot>this is sexy -- never saw systemctl before :-)
15:53<DNS>zorrot: this is systemd
15:53<Brigo>zorrot, systemd stuff
15:53<zorrot>aha, the heart of darkness we've heard so much about :-)
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15:54<zorrot>nothing seems to be screaming "error"
15:55<Brigo>zorrot, i think the system reboots before can access disk, so it cannot write logs, or anything.
15:55<Brigo>zorrot, so we are clueless.
15:55<zorrot>Brigo: i fear you may be correct. could this have to do with EFI/UEFI and grub?
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15:56<Brigo>zorrot, if the kernel boots, no.
15:56<zorrot>Brigo: what do we know if recovery mode works and normal boot doesn't?
15:56<zorrot>the drive shouldn't be the issue, it's a new samsung ssd
15:56<Brigo>some unit is failing to boot.
15:56<Brigo>not but may be configuration.
15:57<Brigo>the fstab or something, but usually it halts not reboots.
15:57<Brigo>reboot is a weird thing.
15:57<DNS>reboot is obsolete... almost
15:57<DNS>with linux 4.0+
15:58<zorrot>when i say reboot, i mean the screen goes black and begins the startup process again -- not reboot/shutdown -r
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15:59<Brigo>zorrot, try asking in #debian-systemd.
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16:00<zorrot>Brigo, DNS: danke
16:00<Brigo>zorrot, yw :)
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17:07<samkod>I was messing with some of my config files and whenever i open synaptic or gcalc everything is black and pressed tight together. If I switch themes it goes away. Any ideas?
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17:10<pajaro>I found a valid key for MD5SUM.sign in the last keyring (/usr/share/keyrings/debian-role-keys.gpg) from debian-keyring
17:10<pajaro>u.u so well hidden
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17:47<xcb1>anyone know when a newer kernel might end up in jessie-backports?
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17:48<xcb1>if it's with 8.2 i could wait otherwise i may try and compile one
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17:56<xcb1>all of the people with the issue i'm having (can't adjust screen backlight) online are using 3.16 and some have said it works in newer kernels
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19:26<KNUBBIG>Hey! I've switched servers somewhat successfully and have only one problem left: The mails I send via Outlook are being sent successfully but emails I receive aren't shown in the Inbox, while they are displayed fine in squirrelmail. Mail.* shows nothing. Any ideas? Thanks :)
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19:49<KNUBBIG>I'll just say my Outlook didn't want to and leave it with that
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19:52<Compizfox>Does anyone know when we can expect OpenSSL 1.0.2d in Stretch?
19:52<Compizfox>still running a vulnerable OpenSSL now...
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20:47<Vectrex>Ok, I am so close to having this work
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20:49<Vectrex>I installed debian with a netinstaller. However, everytime I tried to connect to my wi-fi, it would loop back, so, I did the setup without internet, and I got the command line. I installed the correct packages I need to get the network working, now I just need to add the network. How do I do that?
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20:55<dvs>Vectrex: Which net installer?
20:55<Vectrex>Jessie 8.1 with non-free firmware
20:57<Brigo>Vectrex, did you check logs?
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20:58<Vectrex>dvs: I see that, I just don't know know how to edit whatever it's asking me to edit
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20:59<dvs>which one
20:59<Brigo>Vectrex, so you don't have graphic environment, right?
21:00<Vectrex>^ Exactamundo, amigo.
21:00<Brigo>Vectrex, then you have to edit /etc/network/interfaces
21:00<dvs>or wicd-curses
21:00<Vectrex>I know that, how do I edit /etc/network/interfaces
21:01<Compizfox>Brigo: Doesn´t he need NetworkManager to connect to a WiFi network?
21:01<Brigo>man interfaces
21:01<dakka>use nano
21:01<Compizfox>I don´t think you can do that with just /etc/network/interfaces
21:01<dvs>Compizfox: That's one way
21:01<Brigo>Compizfox, no, you can use either NM or ifup
21:01<Brigo>Compizfox, i am doing that.
21:01<dvs>Compizfox: You can use just interfaces but it's MUCH harder to do it that way.
21:01<Compizfox>ah, ok
21:02<Compizfox>To be fair I don´t even know how to connect to WiFi from the command line
21:02<Compizfox>With Ethernet it´s simple
21:02<Vectrex>Well, I'm gonna need to
21:02<Vectrex>^ and I have no ethernet cables
21:03<Compizfox>Isn´t it possible to use NetworkManager from the command line?
21:04<Brigo>Vectrex, you have to add something like this:
21:04<Brigo>i think it is not so difficult.
21:04<Brigo>Vectrex, i am assuming your wireless card is wlan0 in that example.
21:05<Vectrex>^ Nope, eth1
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21:06<Vectrex>And how do I add that? Like, as a file or, what?
21:06<Brigo>Vectrex, it is a file, yes, just add it at the end.
21:06<Compizfox>yes, you add that to /etc/network/interfaces
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21:07<Compizfox>the file should exist already
21:07<Vectrex>Ok, how do you create files in the command line
21:07<Compizfox>well, you use touch to create them, nano to edit them ;)
21:07<Brigo>Vectrex, nano /etc/network/interfaces (as root) should suffice.
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21:13<Vectrex>Ok, it brought me to a screen saying this page describes how to activate the network interfaces avalible on your system, now what?
21:13<dvs>It meaning what?
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21:14<Vectrex>Using nano /etc/network/interfaces
21:15<dvs>Vectrex: Then add the lines similar to to the end of the file using your SSID and password
21:17<Vectrex>wpa-psk and WPA-Personal are the same, right?
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21:19<Vectrex>Where there is a slight indent in the paste, do I have to add that in to the file?
21:19<dvs>good idea to leave the indentation
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21:22<Vectrex>Ok, then I just use writeout to save the file?
21:22<dakka>makes it easier to read later
21:23<Vectrex>Um, what do you press when it says ^O
21:24<Vectrex>Then what filename do I use?
21:24<dvs>The file should already exist
21:25<dvs>WriteOut is Ctrl-W IIRC
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21:25<Vectrex>Nope, it says File Name To Write: /etc/network/interfaces
21:25<dvs>that's correct
21:25<Vectrex>So just press enter?
21:26<Vectrex>OK, so how do I test I have an internet connection?
21:27<dvs>reboot would be the easist
21:28<Brigo>Vectrex, no, just ifup eth1
21:28<Vectrex>I rebooted anyway
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21:30<Vectrex>It says ifup: Couldn't read interfaces file "/etc/network/interfaces"
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21:31<Brigo>Vectrex, does it exists?
21:31<Vectrex>How do I check?
21:31<Vectrex>That it exists?
21:32<Brigo>ls -l /etc/network/interfaces
21:32<Brigo>paste the output, please.
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21:33<Vectrex>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 290 Jul 11 01:25 /etc/network/interfaces
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21:34<Brigo>Vectrex, the file is there and right as far as i can see.
21:34<Vectrex>Ok, so why is it not reading
21:35<Brigo>Vectrex, dont know.
21:35<Brigo>try ifup -a
21:36<Vectrex>./etc/network/interfaces:8: unknown method
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21:37<Brigo>Vectrex, some configuration mistake, paste the entire file in
21:37<Vectrex>How do I open the file? Just nano it again?
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21:38<Brigo>if you cannot copy&paste, intall gpm package so you can get mouse support in the console, or pastebin, then you can just pipe it.
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21:38<Vectrex>I can't install any packages without internet though
21:39<Vectrex>Or bring them to my other laptop that I'm using to chat
21:39<Vectrex>I'm confused on what you're asking
21:39<Brigo>Vectrex, you can use a usb stick.
21:40<Brigo>Vectrex, i need to see that file, there is a mistake into it, and i need to find it.
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21:42<Vectrex>Oh, I'm trying to remember how to mount the drive
21:43<Vectrex>Wasn't it something like mount /sdb1/ /mnt/usb/?
21:43<Brigo>you need the device name from dmesg. Then mount <device name> <directory>
21:43<Brigo>Vectrex, mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/usb/ if both exist
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21:44<Johnny>Hello! I tried to install Debian on a usb stick
21:44<Johnny>When I try to boot on it, it doesn't work
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21:45<Vectrex>OK, then to copy the file, I just do copy /etc/network/interfaces?
21:45<Johnny>the screen stays like this:
21:46<Brigo>cp /etc/network/interfaces /mnt/usb, or whatever directory was.
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21:47<Vectrex>I copied it, but there's no file on my USB
21:47<Vectrex>Anyway, BRB, gotta eat
21:48<Brigo>Vectrex, i have to go too. :)
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21:48<Brigo>Vectrex, bye, and good luck :)
21:51<Johnny>So... I messed some step up?
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21:53<bluzeo>hello i install an fresh install and now i having trouble with steam and flash - i cant seam to download them from the ternimal
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21:54<Johnny>Anyone? :'(
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22:00<bluzeo>im at a lost on this guys
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22:02<dakka>I'd try and help, but I am lurking here to learn, as I am clueless. But if u come back in an hour and try again u may find more knowledgeable people
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22:03<dakka>bluzeo, wat did u try and install? flashplugin-nonfree ?
22:03<dakka>Thats what i am using
22:04<dakka>did it install?
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22:04<dakka>what error do u get?
22:05<bluzeo>crude not on my desktop ,,,,, some thing about admin or somthing like that
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22:05<dakka>i thought u were doing it from the terminal? what command did u use?
22:06<dakka>should be...: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
22:06<bluzeo>apt-get install
22:06<dakka>if you are logged in as root u dont need the sudo part
22:06<dakka>do u have a # or a $ at the prompt? # means root
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22:07<bluzeo>i think &
22:08<bluzeo>ok it#
22:09<dakka>so u dont need the sudo part just this: apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
22:10<dakka>what error do u get when u type that?
22:10<bluzeo>no package - or wrong package name
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22:12<bluzeo>im aabout to install something like av linux but i wanted a very stable os for steam and film
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22:12<dakka>are you using debian? what version?
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22:13<dakka>oh wait! sorry non-free isnt normally included by default, sorry about I did mention i was clueless right?
22:14<dakka>I think u need to a new source...just checking
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22:16<dakka>yea u need to add something to source.list for u to be able to install flash
22:17<bluzeo>that what im thinking to but i cant find the source- sorry my fedora laptop is on the charger and my debain box is in the the office
22:17<dakka>I think u need to add contrib to the end of your sources
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22:17<dakka>thats ok, basically you need to edit /etc/apt/source.list file
22:17<dakka>then at the end of each line add the word: contrib
22:18<dakka>that should allow you to install stuff like flash, as its not open source, so there is licensing attached
22:18<dakka>debian by default doesnt add that...i believe
22:19<bluzeo>ok - i may have to go and install av or peppermint - or stay on mint...
22:19<dakka>yea i have peppermint flash installed for chrome
22:19<dakka>I think mint is the same. i had that before and i think i needed to add contrib to my source.list too
22:20<dakka>for later consumption:
22:20<dakka>those combined tell u how to install flash and where/what to edit in source.list
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---Logclosed Sat Jul 11 00:00:04 2015