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02:58<margi>Why does Iceweasel use 50% of CPU when displaying flash video? (CPU is i5-2500)
02:59<rhostat>It's too generic.
03:00<ryouma>my guess is, because it's firefox, and because moore's law has slowed to a crawl
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03:01<ryouma>although i guess flash isn't firefox per se
03:01<rhostat>It's not a new performance measurement for that. It's been that way for years.
03:01<margi>If I play a 1080p H.264 video file in VLC with vdpau enabled it's 2% CPU.
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03:03<margi>If I play a HTML5 <video> (1080p H.264) in Iceweasel it's only 5% CPU.
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03:04<rhostat>You'd be surprised on how "good" a specialized app performs.
03:05<peter1138>Offloading to GPU vs CPU decoding...
03:06<margi>I have hardware accelerated checked for flash, but the fans still accelerate whenever a flash video is playing.
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03:07<rhostat>It's not worth entertaining trust me.
03:07<rhostat>Redirect where needed instead.
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03:12<margi>rhostat: Are you talking to me?
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03:14<rhostat>margi: I have nothing against whatever your project is. Please continue.
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03:16<rhostat>We all have our projects :-)
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03:43<ehdb>how can we see mentors.debian.net queue,,,, , ,
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03:51<mohammad-ghasemi>I can not copy a file bigger than than 4 GiB to any flash. Why?
03:51<mohammad-ghasemi>Hi
03:53<rhostat>Might be better to tell a chapter based file instead.
03:55<mohammad-ghasemi>chapter based file?
03:55<mohammad-ghasemi>what is it?
03:56<rhostat>It's an joke amoungst flash devs.
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03:56<mohammad-ghasemi>:)
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03:57<mohammad-ghasemi>You mean it doesn't have a solution?
03:58<rhostat>That is the solution.
03:59<mohammad-ghasemi>you mean split the file using winrar or something?
03:59<rhostat>Or something. whatever works.
04:00<mohammad-ghasemi>Thank you!
04:00<rhostat>splitting is always the way to better performance
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04:00<mohammad-ghasemi>thank you!
04:01<rhostat>If you don't split the file then you'll use other splits to get that file to work better for you.
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04:02<rhostat>Either way you'll end up splitting.
04:02<mohammad-ghasemi>In my case it is not just performance decrease, I gives an error after 4 gb
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04:03<rhostat>I'd explore splitting the file.
04:03<peter1138>So the filesystem on your flash does not support > 4GB files?
04:03<mohammad-ghasemi>no
04:03<mohammad-ghasemi>it does not
04:03<peter1138>So... use one that does?
04:05<mohammad-ghasemi>okay
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04:05<mohammad-ghasemi>does it have to do anything with partition table
04:05<Laogeodritt>mohammad-ghasemi: no, filesystem
04:05<mohammad-ghasemi>I changed it using gparted
04:05<peter1138>FAT32 won't do it. NTFS or ext4 will.
04:05<polyzium>hello
04:05<peter1138>No, nothing to do with the filesystem.
04:05<Laogeodritt>FAT filesystems have a limitation of 4GiB files
04:05<peter1138>Er...
04:06<peter1138>No, nothing to do with the partition table.
04:06<mohammad-ghasemi>Thank you friends
04:06<rhostat>When you get good performance out of that 4GB file let us all know how you did it.
04:06<mohammad-ghasemi>okay
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04:07<Laogeodritt>mohammad-ghasemi: exFAT is an option that's generally compatible on all OSes. I'm not sure how well supported NTFS is on OSX (Linux is OK), ext4 is Linux-only (and maybe OSX?)
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04:08<mohammad-ghasemi>Laogeodritt: but I tried using ext4 too
04:08<rhostat>What's the file format?
04:08<mohammad-ghasemi>it did not work
04:08<mohammad-ghasemi>iso
04:09<rhostat>When it mounts it will split it for you.
04:10<mohammad-ghasemi>I assume I was copying it unmounted, all the time
04:11<rhostat>Regarding the flash player, someone else can chime in on that one.
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04:15<polyzium>Laogeodritt, OSX doesn't support ext FSes
04:15<polyzium>only with paragon's extFS driver
04:16<Laogeodritt>polyzium: ah, okay. Thanks. I'm not very familiar with OSX, aside it being Unix-like.
04:17<polyzium>Laogeodritt, it's based on darwin, apple's unix-like kernel
04:21<polyzium>and ya i have an apt problem here
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04:36<mohammad-ghasemi>Laogeodritt: I don't remember if I tried ext4 or not
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04:37<rhostat>I have a few research projects to work on this weekend. Wish me luck.
04:38<rhostat>Mostly performance based.
04:38<mohammad-ghasemi>Good luck!
04:39<mohammad-ghasemi>Good luck performance wise!
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04:40<rhostat>Thanks, as long as it keeps integrity at the desired performance I'll be a happy dev.
04:40<polyzium>damn apt-get tries to remove everything
04:40<polyzium>apt-get gets crzy
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04:42<rhostat>Sometimes you just don't know what is flying through those circuits.
04:44<rhostat>and congrats on the new breakthrough. :-)
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04:45<polyzium>here we go
04:46<polyzium>pastebin
04:46<polyzium>http://pastebin.com/spzt2iXk
04:46<mohammad-ghasemi>ntfs worked just fine for copying 4.4 GiB to flash drive
04:46<rhostat>The feeling was mutual.
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04:50<mohammad-ghasemi>why gparted does not support formating to UDF. ntfs is proprietary.
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04:50<rhostat>Yes, however; it's the most widely used.
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04:51<rhostat>or is it Yes; however,...
04:52<rhostat>It's late. Night.
04:54<rhostat>As far as descriptors go, we can keep expanding on those. Ok, nighty night.
04:55<valdyn>mohammad-ghasemi: maybe because udf "formatting" makes no sense
04:56<mohammad-ghasemi>valdyn: why it's a file system
04:56<rhostat>Must sleep. Must be a sign.
04:56<mohammad-ghasemi>Good night rhostat
04:56<valdyn>mohammad-ghasemi: its a read-only file system
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04:57<mohammad-ghasemi>ha?
04:57<mohammad-ghasemi>what language is that?
04:58<mohammad-ghasemi>Than you valdyn for clarification
05:00<valdyn>mohammad-ghasemi: its not really strictly read-only, but its also not a general purpose file-system
05:00<mohammad-ghasemi>oh
05:01<mohammad-ghasemi>thank you
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05:10<mohammad-ghasemi>exit
05:11<mohammad-ghasemi>oh I thought I could type exit to close the hexchat
05:11<mohammad-ghasemi>:)
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05:14<mohammad-ghasemi>does debian isos contain non-free packages?
05:14<mohammad-ghasemi>Do
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05:42<moov>question: i did a fresh install of debian 8 (unstable) without graphics (server-testsetup). now i've seen, there are 6 virtual consoles as processes unnecessarily eating memory (~9 MB). how can i remove them, so that when i reboot i just get one virtual console?
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05:56<polyzium>i dont understand i've just asked for help and NOBODY wants to help
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05:59<moov>hello polyzium. i'm new here. what was your question?
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06:05<polyzium>moov, apt-get gets crazy
06:06<polyzium>it tries to remove everything when i'm trying to install libjpeg62
06:08<moov>what's the output? can you paste it to http://apaste.info/ ?
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06:10<polyzium>http://pastebin.com/spzt2iXk
06:10<polyzium>moov, here on pastebin
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06:12<moov>did you upgrade from debian7 to debian8 ?
06:12<moov>or did you install debian 8 from scratch?
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06:13<polyzium>moov, jessie from scratch
06:15<moov>ok, my knowledge border es reached.
06:15<moov>is reached.
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06:16<moov>is there somebody else who can help polyzium, based on his pastebin?
06:16<moov>polyzium: first do this:
06:16<polyzium>moov, let
06:16<polyzium>me
06:16<moov>apt-get autoremove
06:17<polyzium>this will kill MOST of my software!
06:17<moov>it seems you have a load of packages, the system doesn't need anymore
06:17<moov>apt-get autoremove does remove packages which are not needed anymore. isn't it?
06:17<polyzium>ok look at this
06:18<polyzium>ate-applets-common
06:18<polyzium> mate-backgrounds mate-control-center-common mate-media-common
06:18<polyzium> mate-power-manager-common mate-screensaver-common mate-system-monitor-common
06:18<polyzium> mate-utils-common
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06:18<polyzium>damn
06:18<polyzium>this is mate desktop
06:18<polyzium>i'm using it right now
06:19<polyzium>and apt marked it should be removed??? crazy.
06:19<moov>hmm, special, it just seems from line 7 to line 90 there are packages no longer needed - stated by apt ...
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06:21<polyzium>"alsa-base" if apt will remove that stuff, i'll have no sound drivers
06:21<moov>ok
06:22<moov>i guess, you already did apt-get update before, right?
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06:22<polyzium>umm
06:22<moov>try apt-get update and wait until it's done
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06:23<polyzium>ok wait for the output
06:23<moov>ok
06:23<polyzium>http://pastebin.com/kuTXJUda
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06:24<moov>ok
06:25<moov>one more hint closer to the solution :-)
06:25<polyzium>moov, let me say
06:26<moov>what's the output of cat /etc/apt/sources.list ?
06:26<polyzium>in the installation i marked KDE and MATE DEs.
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06:26<moov>oh, ok
06:26<polyzium>the problem with libjpeg62 still exists after the installation of jessie
06:26<moov>hmm, of course, i'm not the expert in having 2 desktop at the same time ;-)
06:27<polyzium>but autoremove was normal
06:27<polyzium>then i removed KDE because of vmware lags
06:27<polyzium>and autoremove was screwed up
06:27<moov>hmm, i never tried 2 desktops at the same time :D
06:27<polyzium>but problem with libjpeg62 still exis
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06:28<polyzium>you can switch between them using lightdm
06:28<moov>it seems, there is a dependency problem which also is shown if you run apt-get update
06:28<moov>what's the output of cat /etc/apt/sources.list ?
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06:28<polyzium>ok
06:29<polyzium>http://pastebin.com/EUKpn7MF
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06:30<moov>if you ran apt-get update, you got this error: Release file for http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20120616T042917Z/dists/wheezy/InRelease is expired (invalid since 1113d 7h 43min 42s). Updates for this repository will not be applied.
06:31<polyzium>where i can get the new release file?
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06:31<moov>so, in your sources.list the entry deb http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20120616T042917Z/ wheezy main is expired. you have to find a new source for this
06:33<polyzium>how about
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06:33<polyzium>deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian wheezy main contrib non-free
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06:33<polyzium>thats ok?
06:33<moov>hmm, maybe when browsing http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/ you can find a new repository?
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06:34<moov>the current archiv you're using seems from 2012
06:34<moov>..debian/20120616T042917Z/ means probably the year 2012
06:35<polyzium>20150711T093920Z the latest one?
06:35<moov>yes
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06:35<moov>and in general, you have wheezy and jessie sources, i'm not sure if this will lead into troubles ...
06:36<moov>i'm overwhelmed with so many sources ;-)
06:36<polyzium>ok i deleted the wheezy repos
06:36<moov>i'm not sure if you need the ppa.launchpad ... sources for mate / special tools?
06:37<polyzium>i have the second wheezy repo!
06:37<polyzium>wait for pastebin
06:37<polyzium>http://pastebin.com/dA89zPne
06:38<moov>my sources.list for jessie looks like this:
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06:39<moov>http://pastebin.com/ckhbp1jP
06:39<polyzium>only jessie? jessie repos are too small
06:40<moov>ok :-)
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06:40<moov>so, whats the output now from apt-get update? and if you try to install the desired package?
06:41<peter1138>"too small"?
06:41<moov>hello peter1138
06:41<moov>we're happy not to be alone here in the dark ... .-)
06:41<polyzium>same
06:42<polyzium>success
06:42<polyzium>jessie, wheezy, squeeze, ubuntu trusty repos...
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06:42<moov>polyzium: problem solved?
06:43<polyzium>nope
06:43<polyzium>autoremove marked a bunch of packages
06:43<polyzium>libjpeg62 still requires "uninstall"
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06:44<peter1138>jessie doesn't have libjpeg62
06:44<peter1138>you should not mix different repositories./
06:45<polyzium>and yea
06:45<polyzium>i've downloaded the deb from ubuntu trusty repos
06:45<polyzium>both 32 and 64
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06:46<polyzium>and they're are conflicting with libjpeg62-turbo
06:46<petn-randall> !frankendebian
06:46<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
06:46<moov>i commend the lead to peter1138
06:46<polyzium>and the removal of libjpeg62-turbo requires "uninstallation"
06:47<polyzium>wut?
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06:48<polyzium>!help
06:48<petn-randall>polyzium: We don't support mixing different packages from different distributions, which is why you have this broken mess currently.
06:49<polyzium>ok lets delete the damned repositories
06:49<moov>polyzium: i hope you could get the helpful answer and can find a way to setup your system new.
06:49<petn-randall>polyzium: You've got wheezy, jessie, and trust mixed on one system. If you installed any packages there, you probably messed up your system hard.
06:50<petn-randall>polyzium: Did someone recommend you to do this?
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06:51<polyzium>wait until i delete ppas
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06:52<polyzium>ok no more ubuntu and wheezy/squeeze scrap
06:53<polyzium>pastebin
06:53<polyzium>http://pastebin.com/9UkZfhXY
06:54<moov>polyzium: this seems to be a good choice :-)
06:54<polyzium>installing libjpeg62 selects libjpeg62-turbo
06:54<moov>polyzium: consider to setup your system new, and don't forget a backup before ...
06:54<polyzium>but what about compiz and emerald?
06:54<moov>/c
06:55<polyzium>whats that mean
06:55<petn-randall>polyzium: Let's step back a bit: What problem were you originally trying to solve?
06:55<polyzium>installing compiz plugins because of libjpeg62
06:59<petn-randall>polyzium: compiz is not in jessie, but you can use any other window decorator that is shipped.
06:59<polyzium>compiz is a window manager
06:59<polyzium>emerald is a decorator
07:01<polyzium>looks like debian 8 is uncommon system?
07:01<petn-randall>polyzium: Ok then, but it's not in Debian. There are plently of alternatives, though.
07:02<polyzium>so yup i can't get the effects in debian 8
07:02<polyzium>only in 7
07:03<polyzium>autoremove is fine now
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07:03<petn-randall>polyzium: No, only in 6. Wheezy (7) didn't have compiz, either.
07:04<polyzium>what!?
07:04<polyzium>now i need to compile from source. this will be awful nightmare
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07:05<viccuad>Uhh, I just realized I have rpm installed in my Debian Testing, and I wonder why
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07:06<petn-randall>polyzium: If compiz really is something crucial for you, and you can't use any of the many other compositors, you probably have to do that.
07:06<petn-randall>viccuad: testing and newer are supported in #debian-next.
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07:08<viccuad>petn-randall: true
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07:10<moov>new question to the forum: i did a fresh install of debian 8 (unstable) without graphics (server-testsetup). now i've seen, there are 6 virtual consoles as processes unnecessarily eating memory (~9 MB): http://www.digisol.ch/dl/deb8prtscr.png how can i remove them, so that when i reboot i just get one virtual console? i tried already to change the parameter NAutoVTs=6 in /etc/systemd/logind.conf. but this doesn't take effec
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07:14<polyzium>ok starting to compile compiz from source
07:14<fishcat>I'm looking for an "update notifier" for the mate desktop notification area in the panel. I want something like a flashing icon when there are system updates available. package "update-notifier" is pointing to gnome-packagekit. Does gnome-packagekit do what I am looking for?
07:14<polyzium>fishcat, i had KDE and apper notifies me about the updates))) now i have mate too
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07:15<fishcat>polyzium: what's the name of the tool? "apper"?
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07:16<polyzium>fishcat, apper is a KDE "app store" and updater
07:16<fishcat>polyzium: oh ok. I'm looking for an update notifier for mate desktop
07:17<polyzium>i had linux mint mate which had mint-update
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07:18<fishcat>yeah I don't think that's available in Debian
07:19<polyzium>but looks like i found something
07:19<petn-randall>moov: How are you reading 9MB out of this? I only see ~1.8kB per process.
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07:23<moov>petn-randall: summary from tty2-tty6
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07:43<blast007>petn-randall: the RES (and VIRT/SHR) seem to be KiB, not bytes (unless specified otherwise).
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07:44<polyzium>damn no libmetacity-private
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07:46<peter1138>so many people want compiz, you'd think it wasn't dead...
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07:49<blast007>moov: you removed the # from the start of NAutoVTs, right?
07:49<moov>blast007: yes, i removed the hash
07:49<blast007>k
07:49<moov>with and without - same effect
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07:50<blast007>with the # means it's commented out and would have no effect (and thus it would use defaults)
07:50<svetlana>is there a gui for reportbug?
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07:51<blast007>svetlana: looks like there is reportbug-ng, "a graphical interface using Qt for searching, filtering, reporting or manipulating bugs in Debian's Bug Tracking System"
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07:52<moov>blast007: yes, normally # is meant to comment out, i just securely tried if it takes effect also with the hash.
07:52<moov>blast007: it seems, it's a bug.
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07:53<polyzium>yes! YES! i've downloaded old metacity
07:54<polyzium>and libmetacity-private installed sucessfully
07:54<peter1138>Good luck with breaking your system.
07:54<polyzium>breaking? i'm compiling compiz
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07:56<ZeasteamThe>testing
07:56<dvs>!test
07:56<dpkg>Test failed.
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07:58<ZeasteamThe>how to list channel, /list command failed
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08:03<at0m|c>ZeasteamThe: /msg alis list [topic]
08:03<abrotman>at0m|c: wrong network
08:04<abrotman>ZeasteamThe: be patient, try again
08:04<at0m|c>oops
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08:27<polyzium>so i'm tired of compiling and finding libraries
08:27<polyzium>so i'm gonna grab the ready one from ubuntu
08:29<abrotman>that will likely go poorly
08:30<polyzium>it's very hard to find libraries over the net that don't exist in official repos
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08:30<abrotman>or stop trying to use abandonware
08:30<polyzium>abandonware?
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08:31<abrotman>compiz hasn't really been actively developed in quite some time
08:31<polyzium>ubuntu stuff isn't abandonware
08:32<abrotman>Sure, if you say so
08:35<polyzium>abandonware are software that was used to make money and at the moment it's free and no longer developed
08:37<polyzium>compiz-gnome requires a bunch of libraries...
08:39<abrotman>perhaps you'd get more support in #compiz on irc.freenode.net
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08:52<iamrohit7>i was able to create a hotspot on my system. but after an upgrade i cannot. i'm on sid and trying via gnome-control-center's network panel. what logs shall i post for anyone to help me?
08:52<iamrohit7>i tried #debian-next. the channel is not active
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09:25<nitrox>hi
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09:27<nitrox>after "aptitude safe-upgrade" exim4 is stopped, but it doesn't start again within the upgrade process
09:27<nitrox>any idea where to look?
09:27<Brigo>nitrox, logs?
09:28<nitrox>[ ok ] Stopping MTA: exim4_listener. <- it's just that line from aptitude
09:28<nitrox>i was expecting a "Starting MTA" line as well :)
09:29<nitrox>exim4 is the only package i know of, that doesn't get restarted automagically after upgrade
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09:29<Brigo>nitrox, can you start it ?
09:29<nitrox>yes
09:29<Brigo>then could be a bug, or a "feature" :)
09:29<nitrox>manually tho after each upgrade
09:30<Brigo>nitrox, what is the package name?
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09:30<nitrox>exim4-daemon-heavy:amd64 4.86~RC4-1 -> 4.86~RC4-2
09:31<nitrox>tho its like that for a year or so
09:31<nitrox>and not specific to a certain package version
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09:57<ZIPY>is there a terminal command to set the clock +1h ?
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09:58<ANTO>HOLAAAAA
09:59<ANTO>Q ONDA ACA
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10:00<ANTO>HOLAAA
10:00<ANTO>HOLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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10:03<phillipsjk>...hello.
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10:03<christophe>Hello
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10:04<phillipsjk>ANTO: Do you have a Debian support question?
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10:04<christophe>yes, i'm a crunchbang user and i would like to know something
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10:05<phillipsjk>!crunchbang
10:05<dpkg>CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>.
10:05<christophe>yes i know but nobody answer me
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10:06<christophe>is it possible to upgrade from wheezy to jessy in crunchban ?
10:06<musca>the factoid is outdated, crunchbang was abandoned some months ago
10:07<paxmark9>christophe - yes I did reply -jokingly - but I did reply.
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10:10<paxmark9>christophe - one possibility is to use the lxde 8.1 debian - CLEAN install. Openbox is installed and used by lxde. You can import your conky, key bindings, etc.
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10:11<christophe>with the net or live cd or ... ?
10:12<phillipsjk>Debian doe shave Live CDs now: https://www.debian.org/CD/live/index.en.html
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10:15<christophe>paxmark9 this one : http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/debian-live-8.1.0-i386-lxde-desktop.iso ?
10:15<blast007>or use the netinst as you mentioned
10:18<christophe>in crunchbang the network install was automatic, is it the same thing on debian (i suppose but i'm not sure)
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10:19<EmleyMoor>I've found a way to get the ownership of /run/user/1000/pulse to change to root.root - it happens when I plug a USB device in.
10:20<EmleyMoor>Why would that be so and how can I stop it being so?
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10:22<viccuad>guys, does anybody know how to obtain an .epub from this= http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/index.en.html
10:23<viccuad>doh: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.epub
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10:29<valdyn>EmleyMoor: are you certain that is the cause?
10:29<valdyn>EmleyMoor: i already knew this happens when you chroot
10:30<EmleyMoor>valdyn: Have had it happen several times in the last 15 minutes, consistently
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10:33<EmleyMoor>Though, oddly, not this time
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10:34<valdyn>EmleyMoor: it can happen when root has your $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR
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10:34<valdyn>EmleyMoor: but thats not really useful i suppose
10:34<EmleyMoor>valdyn: But that's mine...
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10:36<valdyn>EmleyMoor: like this: http://paste.debian.net/281358/
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10:39<EmleyMoor>valdyn: So, you mean when I start a session as root, if root has that value set, it can, for want of a better word, purloin things in there?
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10:40*EmleyMoor has found something jessie has definitely improved, though
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10:44<EmleyMoor>mtp is far better under jessie - in fact, the only thing I forgot to do to get that working was unlock the phone
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10:49<EmleyMoor>Actually, it seems to be "generating a sound in the desktop when a root terminal window is open" that's doing it
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12:08<phillipsjk>silly printer configuration utility times out before I can enter my root password :P
12:11<phillipsjk>correction: password dialog was interrupted by a second password dialog.
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12:14<adrian15b>I'm looking for a Debian selinux expert. Should I ask into debian-devel or is there any other more appropiated irc channel ? Thank you.
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12:15<ixi>!ask
12:15<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
12:15<ixi>adrian15b ^
12:16*phillipsjk kind of assumed they wanted to hire such an expert.
12:16<adrian15b>I want to be able to change SElinux permissions from a Debian Jessie live cd. I want to know if it's feasible. I was unable to do with a Debian Wheezy live cd.
12:19<knocte>SO question I came up with, about pdebuild, anyone want to bite? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31359171/git-buildpackage-doesnt-call-configure-why , danke
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14:31<iris>Hello
14:31<iris>Anyone there?
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14:34<iris>What
14:34<Brigo>!ask
14:34<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
14:34<iris>!ask
14:34<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
14:34<iris>I have a problem with wireshark on parrot os
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14:39<rhostat>Ask away iris
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14:45<rhostat>Oops they left.
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14:47<canaima>hola
14:48<iris>hola
14:48<iris>what's up?
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14:51<gregorio>no entiendo esto
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14:52<gregorio>hay alquien aqui
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14:53<rhostat>Hhmmm, iris may miss the reponse to that detailed question he left.
14:53<gregorio>hello
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14:54<gregorio>hola pipe
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15:02<Rokyy>hola
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15:02<gregorio>hola
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15:56<artej>hi
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15:57<artej>first thing I would like to ask is how do I switch tabs in irssi?
15:58<artej>does anybody experience difficulties updating to KDE5?
15:58<artej>my kde bricked :(
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16:18<charles>is there any one here
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16:19<artej>charles, yes
16:20<charles>hey guy
16:20<charles>where are you from
16:20<artej>Ukraine
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16:20<charles>ukraine
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16:20<charles>nice people
16:21<artej>nice girls xD
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16:21<charles>kkk
16:21<artej>you?
16:21<charles>Brazil
16:21<charles>nice girls too
16:21<charles>kkk
16:22<artej>)
16:22<charles>so
16:22<charles>it's the first time that I'm using linux
16:23<charles>I'm being some problems
16:23<charles>can you help me?
16:23<artej>depends
16:23<artej>what problems?
16:23<artej>I am temporary without GUI :(
16:24<charles>I have a offboard sound
16:24<charles>but it's not working
16:24<artej>Can't understand what you mean by offboard, can you elaborate?
16:25<charles>yes of course
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16:25<charles>the sound in my computer is not working
16:25<Theorem>a PCI sound card?
16:26<charles>PCI
16:26<artej>charles, can you run lspci?
16:27<artej>what card is shown there?
16:27<charles>what is lspci?
16:27<artej>utility which lists pci devices
16:27<charles>I have a c-media
16:28<charles>the model is c-media
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16:29<charles>I'll search for lspci here
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16:42<artej>charles open terminal and do update-pciids
16:42<artej>and then lspci
16:42<artej>can you tell me what audio chip is displayed there ?
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16:48<Artej>brazilian guy, I forgot you nick, you still there?
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16:48<Artej>I restored gui functionality
16:48<Artej>now I can help you
16:48<Artej>^_^
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16:50<Theorem>Artej: charles, he left
16:50<Artej>Theorem: :(
16:51<Artej>new kde feels nice, but has same problems with plasma xD
16:53<Theorem>which problems?
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16:54<Artej>crashes, basically brick without libkde from sid
16:54<Artej>also packages in repo are broken for now as I understand it
16:54<moov>here the solution from my today's question: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=792114
16:56<Artej>kde-plasma-desktop in testing and fresher isn't installable, because kde-workspace-bin breaks plasma-desktop
16:56<Artej>also some deps and missing from recommended packages
16:56<Artej>*are
16:57<Artej>I shouldn't have installed kde5 as soon as I seen it
16:57<Theorem>yeah, probably :p
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16:58<adrian15b>Artej: Nice to know that kde5 is finally in unstable
16:58<Artej>adrian15b: it is in testing too
16:58<Artej>5:84
16:59<adrian15b>adrian15b: If you already have kde4 is just a matter of apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade ? Or do you have to do anything special ?
16:59<Artej>It doesn't install normaly for me now
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17:00<Artej>I had the stupidity to force only half of it xD
17:00<Artej>basicaly plasma-desktop installs fine and works, if you install libkde5 from sid
17:01<ipsaeus>Anyone willing to help a linux newbie fix audio problems? I've done some websearching, but nothing I've seen has worked
17:01<Artej>ipsaeus: what's there?
17:02<Artej>can you describe the issue?
17:02<ipsaeus>Essentially there is no sound, period. I've checked to see if things are muted, theyre not in either alsamixer, the built in ui tools, or pavucontrol
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17:03<ipsaeus>also tried reinstalling alsa and pulseaudio altogether, and doing some tweaks to configs
17:03<Artej>can you see your audio card in alsamixer?
17:03<ipsaeus>yes, as well as my usb headset and my monitor output
17:03<ipsaeus>it seems to be recognizing everything, just outputting nothing
17:04<Artej>are output levels normal?
17:04<Artej>you sure that is not hardware issue?
17:04<Artej>have you checked sound in other os/with other hardware?
17:04<ipsaeus>I don't think its a hardware issue, given I dual boot windows and everything works fine there
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17:05<Artej>what card are you using?
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17:06<ipsaeus>1sec, looking for specs...
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17:09<ipsaeus>Might be onboard something or another. cat /proc/asound/cards lists HDA ATI HDMI and HDA Intel PCH, as well as my usb headset
17:10<Artej>ipsaeus: 'update-pciids' and 'lspci'
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17:12<ipsaeus>"Audio device: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller"
17:13<ipsaeus>and Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Tahiti XT HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 7970 Series]
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17:20<abrotman>ipsaeus: have you tried pavucontrol to choose which sound card is being used?
17:21<ipsaeus>I've tried switching outputs if thats what you mean, but it doesnt appear to matter. None of them work.
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17:27<Artej>ipsaeus: strange
17:27<ipsaeus>ikr :\
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18:07<msyoklanah>is swap encrypted by default on Debian?
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19:17<vemma>Heyyo
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19:57<biciclo>hi i'm having problems starting tor service: http://paste.debian.net/plainh/6bb335e0
19:58<biciclo>as you can see from the logs the kernel is a chrome os kernel if that matters (and i guess it does)
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20:06<msyoklanah>biciclo: u should try #tor then
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20:07<msyoklanah>biciclo: is Tor compatible with chrome os?
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20:08<biciclo>msyoklanah: i'm running a full debian system, just the kernel is the original chrome os one
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20:13<santexnik>hi are there any live wallpapers for debia jessie ?
20:13<biciclo>i'm going to ask in #tor too
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21:20<sobC2>apt-get update
21:22<sobC2>why it fails in wheezy?
21:22<abrotman>we can't know, show us the output in paste.debian.net
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21:31<sobC2>sorry
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21:31<sobC2>sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install <packagename> Reading package lists... Done E: The value 'wheezy' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources
21:32<ixi>sobC2 put /eat/apt/sources.list and full output of command to paste.debian.net
21:33<ixi> /etc*
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21:35<sobC2>then?
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21:36<ixi>then give us the links to pastes
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21:46<abrotman>or run away ...
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21:49<passingthrough>route -n
21:50<passingthrough>wrong window
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22:29<dureyes>what is the go to web site a post installation of Jessie, I seem to be breaking my system with too many unreliable sites on my sources.list ?
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22:31<abrotman>dpkg: tell dureyes about jessie sources.list
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22:37<kuru>how do I reinable gui
22:39<kuru>to be default
22:40<sney>figure out which *dm you have and enable it, or install one.
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22:58<ryouma>can you set up debian to allow you to just remove external drives without having to run cryptsetup or umount?
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23:10<mic_e>ryouma: just remove them? as in, simply unplugging them?
23:10<mic_e>that's something fundamentally impossible, unless the external drive has an internal battery/buffer that allows it to synchronize writes and stuff
23:11<mic_e>well I guess some sophisticated file system might also accomplish that, but at some massive performance hits
23:12*mic_e reconsiders the word "fundamentally impossible"
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23:14<mic_e>the problem is that there are write caches everywhere.
23:14<mic_e>your applications usually have one, the kernel has one, and the drive has one
23:15<mic_e>if you just unplug the drive while those write caches are nonempty, the [application data, file system, drive] will be in an inconsistent state
23:15<msyoklanah>how many tty debian opens up by default?
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23:30<ryouma>mic_e: my understanding is that writes are done, at least in some cases, without any caching. so there is nothing to sync. is this not correct in at least some cases?
23:30<ryouma>mic_e: i recall running a command that told me that, or perhaps it was a /proc file
23:30<mic_e>ryouma: it depends on the system config, I guess
23:31<mic_e>but if there's a processs that's currently in the process of writing, stuff will definitely break
23:31<mic_e>and you can never exclude that with certainty
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23:54<ryouma>i expected as much. the big part of the question was whether anything wil detect the absence of the drive and run cryptsetup and umount.
23:54<ryouma>i guess not
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