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01:10<citrix>Hii
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01:11<citrix>can you help me anyone meri english achi nahi hai to kya ap meri hindi samajh sakte hai plzzzz... mujhe apki help chahiye
01:12<citrix>main webpage bana rahi hu jaha mujhe problem aa rahi hai kya koi meri help kar sakta hai
01:13<citrix>anyone plz...
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01:31<twb>Dumb question: is jessie expected (by default) to poweroff the system at the end of a shutdown?
01:31<twb>http://sprunge.us/bWEK -- I'm not seeing it, and I'm not sure where to start debugging
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01:34<twb>I've seen similar problems before when (IIRC) the ACPI DSDT was set up for Vista or something, and you had to boot with acpi_osi=Linux. But this is kvm, not some crazy physical hardware.
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01:34<twb>I'm just going to cut power for now.
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01:37<jm_>twb: what if you use poweroff command? shutdown does not do that by default AFAIK
01:38<jm_>shutdown --poweroff should
01:38<twb>The behaviour I was expected was the behaviour I saw in wheezy -- though I'm not 100% sure about this specific usage of kvm
01:39<twb>halt/shutdown would run "poweroff -f" at the end of rc0 IIRC
01:39<twb>OK I tested with "poweroff" instead of "halt" and it cut power at the end of the sequence.
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01:40<twb>"shutdown -h now" also cuts power
01:40<twb>So it
01:40<twb>So it's *JUST* halt that has changed behaviour :-/
01:43<twb>$coworker suggests this is actually a return to the old behaviour that has Debian was getting wrong
01:43<twb>i.e. "real" unixes treated halt and shutdown -h/poweroff differently before GNU/Linux came along
01:44<twb>(In the same way that "poweroff" used to behave like "poweroff -f" does now -- cut power immediately, without shutting down.)
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01:55<jm_>i always remember having to use poweroff in debian
01:55<jm_>but maybe that changed with some release and i haven't noticed it since i always used poweroff
01:56<twb>Yeah maybe I'm just mental
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02:14<twb>Grr. resolv.conf behaviour seems to be different now, too.
02:14<twb>The old code said "if the DHCP server didn't tell me which domain to use, keep the old one".
02:15<twb>(Admittedly, that code was really flaky and awful, and it's probably good that it's gone.)
02:17<twb>On the plus side, sudo allows -g by default now -- (ALL:ALL) not (ALL)
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02:27<twb>Haven't seen this dep resolution failure before: http://sprunge.us/eAdF
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02:28<twb>"apt-get install --no-install-recommends libparse-debianchangelog-perl" is enough to trigger it
02:28<showwl>Hello fellows!, I have a question about the "apt-get flashplugin-nonfree" Why isn't it "updated" to latest flashversion?
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02:28<themill>showwl: flashplugin-nonfree only downloads the latest available
02:29<twb>showwl: how are you determining what is "latest" ?
02:29<showwl>yea, but there is a "newer" version of flash out there
02:30<showwl>twb: http://blog.trendmicro.com/trendlabs-security-intelligence/hacking-team-flash-zero-day-integrated-into-exploit-kits/
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02:30<jm_>isn't it downloaded somewhere from people.debian.org?
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02:30<twb>I'm not sure about the firefox one. The chromium one (pepperflashplugin-nonfree) works by downloading a whitelisted (on p.debian.org) version of chrome.deb from google, then pulling the flash.so from it
02:31<twb>showwl: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Flash#Linux_support
02:31<jm_>yeah that one grabs it from google chrome
02:32<showwl>Isn't "flashplugin-nonfree" maintained by the "community"
02:32<twb>I have to ship flash because murdoch uni uses echo360, which doesn't know about webm yet
02:32<twb>showwl: the downloader script is; the proprietary software it downloads *can't* be maintained by the community
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02:35<twb>OK my apt-get weirdness is because I've somehow broken my security repo in sources.list. PEBCAK
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02:35<twb>Ah, I copy-and-pasted a version that said "wheezy"
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02:38<peter1138>showwl, it does download the latest one
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02:39<peter1138>sadly, only the latest version at the time it was installed
02:39<peter1138>or at least, i think that's the case
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02:40<jm_>yeah but you run update-flashplugin --install and it would grab a newer one if it's there
02:41<jm_>(and it doesn't grab it from people.debian.org like I speculated earlier, but it does get download location from there)
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02:41<twb>Does it ultimately come from adobe.com ?
02:41<jm_>yes
02:42<showwl>okay i will give it a try
02:42<jm_>https://people.debian.org/~bartm/flashplugin-nonfree/D5C0FC14/ .asc files here have the location
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02:43<peter1138>of course, even the latest version is disabled by default due to vulnerabilities
02:43<themill>I'm assuming it does require manual effort by bartm to make a new version available
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02:43<jm_>looks like it does yes
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02:47<twb>I presume not much work since it's abandonware (right?) -- no new versions
02:48<peter1138>there are updates
02:48<twb>OK, good to know
02:49<themill>security updates only for flash, not new features
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02:50<peter1138>yea
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02:51<peter1138>i guess the "issue" is you have to know to run update-flashplugin-nonfree manually, apt-get update/upgrade won't do anything
02:51<themill>yes
02:52<twb>I suppose it could have a cron job to check each morning & email you
02:52<themill>I do quite like letting apt deal with *all* updating and not having to remember to do other update-* things as well, but I can see that for response to updates doing this outside the packaging system might be preferable
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02:53<showwl>I have another question, it maybe dont belong here but in wheezy it was possible to pick your DNS in /etc/resolv.conf but don't seem to work with jessie?
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02:54<peter1138>certainly is possible
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02:54<jm_>showwl: it sure works
02:54<twb>man 5 resolv.conf
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02:56<showwl>hmm, wiered because I have been playing with it and every time I reboot the computer it's gone...
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02:56<twb>16:14 <twb> Grr. resolv.conf behaviour seems to be different now, too. 16:14 <twb> The old code said "if the DHCP server didn't tell me which domain to use, keep the old one".
02:56<twb>^ I guess you're seeing that, same as me.
02:57<jm_>probably dhcp client overwrites your changes, it should have an option to prevent it from doing that
02:57<twb>showwl: are you using DHCP?
02:58<twb>I think the code is in /sbin/dhclient-script
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02:59<twb>Ah, I think I am misremembering that it keeps the old *nameserver* if it doesn't get a new one. The code in there looks about the same as I remember.
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03:00<twb>showwl: if you have "resolvconf" package (no dot) installed, that changes the behaviour also. There's also systemd-resolved... but I think that's off by default?
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03:02<jm_>heh chromium now started aborting after I ran update-pepperflashplugin
03:02<twb>jm_: the code in /etc/chromium/default is awful
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03:03<twb>I rewrote /usr/bin/chromium last week to remove some of the horrible shell injection/quoting
03:03<jm_>twb: looks like it's /etc/chromium.d/pepperflashplugin-nonfree now, and it now starts, whatever
03:04<twb>It runs something like strings flash.so | grep Version | s/,/./
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03:17<twb>Huh, dmeventd is new.
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03:20<twb>I wonder if aptitude's obscene slowness on this VM will disappear if I give it more than 128M of RAM. It doesn't need it for processes, but it'll probably let the kernel leave the package lists in memory.
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03:21<lancelot_of>hi there
03:21<lancelot_of>I cannot find anymore wxt terminal in gnuplot (jessie). Why?Is there any valuable alternaative?
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03:23<jm_>lancelot_of: see /usr/share/doc/gnuplot-x11/NEWS.Debian.gz
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03:24<twb>Also new! Running "shutdown" without arguments is no longer a simple usage error.
03:25<twb>It seems to schedule a shutdown for about 1m later
03:25<orthogonal>twb: That's great!
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03:26<twb>orthogonal: well my knee-jerk response is the onus of proof is to show why a change should happen, not why it shouldn't
03:27<orthogonal>I'd say that it should change since user expectations would be that running shutdown with no arguments would cause the computer to shutdown
03:27<twb>It wasn't *my* expectation :P
03:27<orthogonal>It wouldn't break old scripts since it returned an error before
03:28<orthogonal>twb: Ah, good point!
03:28<twb>But yes, in this case I cannot think of any real objection
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03:30<twb>jm_: re halt not doing poweroff -f, on wheezy the magic is in /etc/rc0.d/K11halt and by default it is set to cut power.
03:30<twb>(regardless of whether you ran "halt" or "poweroff")
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03:32<twb>(er the 11 depends on how much crap you have installed, viz. insserv)
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03:34<jm_>twb: yeah so I just haven't noticed it due to being used to using poweroff
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03:45<madrik>twb: do you have an opinion on systemd?
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03:46<twb>yes :P
03:46*orthogonal hides
03:46<lancelot_of>jm_, ok thanks
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03:58<dakka>hi, how do u list files to show numeric permissions (octal)?
03:58<dakka>for some reason i just cant find the command via searching the net
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03:59<maxy>dakka: stat ?
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04:00<AndrewMock>What does "tasksel --task-packages web-server" spit out on jessie (what's the default webserver?)
04:00<dakka>umm....wow info overload! that shows a LOT more than what i needed
04:00<twb>AndrewMock: the short answer to that is probably apache2
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04:01<AndrewMock>huh old school i see
04:01<twb>AndrewMock: insofar as Debian has a "default" web server, which is not much
04:01<twb>e.g. mailman has Depends: apache2 | httpd
04:01<jm_>AndrewMock: task-web-server
04:04<dakka>stat shows way too much info, i cant work out how to filter all the stuff out
04:05<twb>Are acpid & acpi-support-base obsolete, for the specific purpose of "I push the power button on the case, and a clean shutdown happens" ?
04:05<dakka>i was hoping for something like ls but instead of permissions in human readable form i get octal
04:05<twb>AIUI this is now works out-of-the-box using only systemd
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04:06<maxy>dakka: man stat, pay attention to the format parameters
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04:07<dakka>yea i am but i am failing, no matter what i use it just keeps adding on more junk
04:07<twb>Likewise, is ntpd obsolete for the purpose of "talk to pool.ntp.org to keep your hw clock in sync" ?
04:07<dakka>its ok i give up for now, need to make dinner...i'll spend more time on this later
04:07<dakka>just thought after 15min+ i would find a simple answer and not have to spend an hour...lol
04:08<twb>d-i asked me about NTP configuation, but "ntp" isn't installed. Not sure yet whether systemd-timesyncd is doing anything by default
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04:09<twb>How do I tell whether it is systemd-timesyncd is working?
04:09<twb>I can't see it in the process table...
04:09<jm_>dakka: how hard is it? stat -c '%s' file...
04:09<jm_>%a too
04:11<twb>Sod it, I'll just set the clock to 1970 and reboot and see what happens
04:11<twb>WTF? date: cannot set date: Invalid argument
04:12<twb>date -us 1970-01-01 worked, date -s 1970-01-01 didn't. That seems wrong since Australia is in the future, and time_t should be 64-bit by now, but whatever.
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04:15<twb>timesyncd is off by default. So why the hell did d-i ask me to configure NTP? Stupid d-i.
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04:18<ansgar>twb: If you set the system time to 1970-01-01 Australia, then it's before epoch in UTC though.
04:18<twb>ansgar: yeah I derped
04:18<twb>date -us @0 works tho
04:20<twb>Good riddance to stupid ISC ntpd
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04:20<ansgar>twb: I think systemctl status systemd-timesyncd should show some relevant information. Same for timedatectl ("NTP enabled: no", "NTP synchronized: no")
04:21<dakka>back
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04:21<dakka>that jm_ that doesnt work, but dont worry i will work it out eventually
04:21<dakka>i meant to say thanks jm_ ...
04:22<twb>What's timedatectl for?
04:22<twb>Is that systemd's replacement for GNU date ?
04:22<jm_>dakka: see the next line, stat -c '%a' file...
04:23<dakka>i saw that doesnt work, but i think i am getting close
04:23<jm_>WFM
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04:23<dakka>just have to traul this man file and use trial and error
04:23<jm_>try using /usr/bin/stat
04:23<ansgar>twb: One can set date/time/tz to it. It talks to the DBus service that is intended to be used by desktop environments as well.
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04:23<ansgar>twb: s/to it/with it/
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04:24<twb>I'll stick with date -s, which I understand
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05:08<alex_>hello debian
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05:09<EmleyMoor>I'm trying to access my HP LaserJet 6P from Debian jessie systems other than the one it's attached to, but when I try to use it, I get "Filter failed". What's the right way to set it up to work in this way?
05:12<alex_>ok I need to configure my HP printer too
05:12<alex_>are you using hplip for that?
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05:17<themill>EmleyMoor: check the cups error log -- there
05:17<themill>'s often more detail there
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05:21<EmleyMoor>themill: Local or remote?
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05:23<themill>depends on where the filter was being run and what's happening
05:23<themill>(both, if you can)
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05:54<lancelot_of>how to preview pdf files in iceweasel?I installed xul-ext-pdf.js but pdf files are still not open in browser
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06:04<jm_>try looking for pdfjs in about:config
06:04<jm_>you don't need any extension for it
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06:20<gerrit_>Hello can sombody help me im trying to install a hd4000 serie ati driver but it wont work because i have Debian 8 and the tut im using is telling me to use Debian 7
06:22<gerrit_>im getting this error with the aptitude install -> fglrx-legacy-driver : Depends: xorg-video-abi-12 which is a virtual package.
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06:23<jm_>gerrit_: this won't work with jessie, why not use open source driver?
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06:24<gerrit_>jm_, what source driver do you mean
06:24<jm_>gerrit_: radeon
06:25<gerrit_>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV770 LE [Radeon HD 4830] [1002:944c]
06:25<gerrit_>this is the 1 i have
06:25<jm_>that's supported by the radeon driver
06:26<gerrit_>is there a tut for it? because i just stept over to debian from windows
06:26<jm_>nothing special needed, just install debian as usual with X
06:26<jm_>you might want to ensure firmare package is installed
06:26<jm_>!radeon firmware
06:26<dpkg>Binary-only firmware for the radeon <DRM> driver is packaged for Debian as firmware-linux-nonfree. Without this package installed, poor 2D/3D performance in the <radeon> xorg driver is commonly experienced. To install, ask me about <non-free sources>. This is not required for use of the <fglrx> driver.
06:27<jm_>ask dpkg via /msg if you need to know about non-free etc.
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06:28<gerrit_>oke thx ill try to do that
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06:36<gerrit_>jm_, i did install it but now my screen res is not right
06:36<jm_>gerrit_: put your Xorg.0.log on pastebin
06:36<jm_>!tell gerrit_ -about paste
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06:39<gerrit_>http://pastebin.com/XQUWGSWu
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06:41<gerrit_>jm_, this is a screenshot http://i.imgur.com/WbZS3TX.png
06:42<gerrit_>i got a SyncMaster 2493HM
06:42<gerrit_>so everything is to big for my screen it must me smaller
06:43<jm_>gerrit_: what does this report? xdpyinfo | grep dimens
06:44<gerrit_>dimensions: 1920x1200 pixels (508x318 millimeters)
06:44<jm_>so the resolution is correct, xdpyinfo |grep resolution:
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06:45<gerrit_>yes but i have the text like 1 cm high :S
06:45<gerrit_>every thing is blownup
06:45<jm_>what does the above command show?
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06:46<gerrit_>resolution: 96x96 dots per inch
06:46<jm_>looks OK to me, I don't know what you think is wrong
06:47<gerrit_>well everything is 2x/4x bigger before i installed the driver
06:48<gerrit_>can it be the gui im using?
06:48<jm_>I don't know what you mean with that, before you installed which driver?
06:49<gerrit_>well its a fresh install so debian installed the normal driver with that driver everything was smaller
06:49<jm_>you are using the open source ati driver, which is the one installed by default
06:50<gerrit_>ow oke
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06:51<jm_>I fail to see how/what changed
06:52<jm_>you can certainly try toying with DPI to resize things
06:52<gerrit_>where can i find that?
06:52<jm_>it can be specified in xorg.conf or via xrandr or any other tool that can manage that, which DE is that?
06:53<gerrit_>DE?
06:53<gerrit_>sorry im new here
06:54<jm_>desktop environment
06:54<gerrit_>Cinnamon
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06:56<jm_>no idea about that but look in its settings section related to display if it has an option for it
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06:56<gerrit_>HDMI-0 connected primary 1920x1200+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 160mm x 90mm
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06:58<jm_>there's this message in x log which might be related Quirked EDID physical size to 0x0 cm
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06:58<gerrit_>jm_, can it be that im using lightdm ?
06:58<gerrit_>and not gdm?
06:59<jm_>but also Setting screen physical size to 508 x 317
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06:59<jm_>gerrit_: that should not play a role but you can easily try either
07:00<gerrit_>http://pastebin.com/N2nzfQaX
07:00<gerrit_>how can i change that?
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07:00<gerrit_>and change from cinnamon to gnome?
07:00<gerrit_>it can be in the gui
07:00<jm_>try using a front-end ala arandr or maybe lxrandr
07:01<jm_>have you installed gnome?
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07:02<gerrit_>yes
07:02<gerrit_>i did checked it in the installation'
07:04<jm_>then you should be able to select which session to use at login time (check upper right menu in lightdm)
07:04<gerrit_>ill check
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07:06<gerrit_>jm_, i have now the correct screen dpi
07:06<gerrit_>i think its the gui
07:06<gerrit_>or DE :D
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07:07<gerrit_>http://imgur.com/KDHfYDl
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07:09<jm_>gerrit_: well you should be able to adjust for it anyway
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07:10<gerrit_>yea im gooing to try it later on now i have to get start with playonlinux for Elderscrollonline
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07:31<madmac2501>hi, I have a debian package that is on state "un" unknown / not installed
07:31<madmac2501>how can I deinstall it?
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07:32<madmac2501>uninstall it
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07:33<jm_>how did you manage that?
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07:39<lad>salut
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07:41<Gabriel_7>!fr
07:41<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
07:42<lad>ok
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07:46<gerrit_>jm_, I got the DE right now
07:46<gerrit_>i had to change the User Interface scaling from auto to normal
07:47<jm_>yeah that's dpi in disguise
07:47<gerrit_>yea :S did not know that
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07:48<gerrit_>now i can start with playonlinux
07:49<gerrit_>i hope this works because a lot a people are haveing trouble to installing the game
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08:33<andrejk>I just install Jessie on my 3TB GPT formated drive. When i try to boot the following message is reported: attempt to read or write outside of disk 'hd0'. Any idea what to do?
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09:09<andrejk> I just install Jessie on my 3TB GPT formated drive. When i try to boot the following message is reported: attempt to read or write outside of disk 'hd0'. Any idea what to do?
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11:45<THEGReatBARON>hello
11:45<THEGReatBARON>yo
11:45<THEGReatBARON>yo
11:45<THEGReatBARON>yo
11:45<THEGReatBARON>yo
11:45<THEGReatBARON>yo
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11:47<jhamlin>Hi All, I just installed Debian Jessie on a new laptop and everything worked great. I've been a Debian user since around 03 and it just keeps getting better and better and better. Jessie is fantastic. Thanks to anyone involved for all the hard work!!
11:47<kimboo>hi
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12:34<bugs>My kontact won't start anymore. The sepperate applications will still startup, but not Kontact. Any suggestions?
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12:35<EmleyMoor>Error log, server side, from my attempt to print to my HP LaserJet 6P: http://paste.debian.net/283004/ - what exactly makes it fail?
12:35<valdyn>Hint: Try setting the LogLevel to "debug" to find out more.
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12:36<EmleyMoor>valdyn: Ah, good point
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12:38<weslei>hi friends
12:38<weslei>i am weslei
12:38<weslei>safadao
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12:41<weslei>hello bots
12:42<weslei>bye bye
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12:44<EmleyMoor>Well, I've found a way to do it now that actually works - many thanks for the help though
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13:17<iamrohit7>i have problems with arduino on jessie the is an excerpt from dmesg when i plug in the arduino http://pastebin.com/u89ukSxQ can anyone help me?
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13:17<EmleyMoor>I have now managed to share my parallel printer to all my locally-networked machines, but am hoping to find a way to print to it from my laptop when it is on its mobile connection (fixed IPv4 and IPv6). How do I set up cups/browsed to achieve this?
13:17<iamrohit7>arduino uno r3 to be specific
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13:21<valdyn>EmleyMoor: what is seperating the laptop from printing already?
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13:48<Djon_>Hi, my openvpn server won't start with 'services openvpn start' but it's working fine with 'openvpn server.conf', where can I find the logs to see what's wrong?
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13:51<captnfab>Djon: "it's service, not services" If you're running systemd, you can try « systemctl status openvpn »
13:53<Djon_>It says 'Main PID: 9451 (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)'
13:54<captnfab>congrats, it means no error were encountered 0:) </captnobvious>
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13:55<captnfab>Djon_: you might want to have a look at /etc/default/openvpn
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13:58<Djon_>'If empty, "all" is assumed.', I set it to all anyway and it seems to have picked up my config file, thanks for the help
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15:02<EmleyMoor>valdyn: The laptop can see and print to both printers when it's on the local network, no problem. It can also see and print to the networked printer when it's connected on the mobile connection. Not sure it can be made to see the parallel one.
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15:37<dworkz>Hi, if i want to dual-bool / multiboot but have debian installed first as primary OS, is there an easy way to install windows as second?
15:37<dworkz>dUAL-bOOT*
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15:40<dworkz>Or is the prefered way to install Windows first and then Debian?
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15:40<ixi>windows will wreck your mbr
15:40<ixi>unconditionally
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15:41<ixi>so if you install it second, be prepare to do a grub rescue procedure
15:41<ixi>!fixgrub
15:41<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
15:41<ixi>like this ^
15:41<musca>since MSDOS times Microsoft doesn't respect other OSes
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15:41<dworkz>Oh, so windows first then...
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15:42<ixi>yes, that is the easy way to do this
15:42<dworkz>Okej, then my next question
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15:42<dworkz>how do i transfer or copy my exact setup of debian, "looks and feels, installed programs etc..." to the new one
15:43<valdyn>dworkz: the easiest method is probably cloning the disk
15:43<ixi>most of the desktop stuff configs are stored under $HOME
15:43<dworkz>Is there a "save config and looks" wich i could run in my new debian installation?
15:43<ixi>most, not all
15:43<valdyn>dworkz: yes, but theres a few quirks
15:44<ixi>and you will also need the same exact versions of software
15:44<dworkz>Okej, so the easy way to do that is just install and make it again then :)
15:45<ixi>yeah that should work.
15:46<dworkz>Thank you for your help guys, reason why im askin is cuz i want to polay some fifa 15 on the computer and i cant se any good linux installed results of origin
15:46<dworkz>like 25 FPS
15:46<valdyn>dworkz: so you have an nvidia card?
15:46<dworkz>yes
15:46<valdyn>dworkz: *do* you have an nvidia card?
15:46<dworkz>gtx 770,
15:47<ixi>dworkz email fifa 15 maker
15:47<valdyn>dworkz: i was going to say that if you dont then wine (Which runs some windows games ok) wont help you
15:47<ixi>and tell them that you'd like a debian-compatible version of their software
15:47<valdyn>dworkz: with an nvidia card it might, but i cannot tell if that works for fifa15 specifically
15:47<dworkz>You want me to email EA?
15:47<ixi>I don't know what is EA
15:48<ixi>but if that's the fifa 15 maker, then sure
15:48<dworkz>its the vendor of the game FIFA, BattleField and others
15:48<dworkz>Sims
15:48<dworkz>:)
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15:49<dworkz>Well then i know what i must do :)
15:49<dworkz>Thank you so much!
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16:00<sfofm>No manual entry for ls
16:00<sfofm>See 'man 7 undocumented' for help when manual pages are not available.
16:00<sfofm>No manual entry for undocumented in section 7
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16:14<retrospectacus>sfofm: see if there are files in /usr/share/man
16:15<retrospectacus>sfofm: try running "mandb"
16:15<valdyn>sfofm: you need to install the manpages of course
16:15<sfofm>retrospectacus: There's stuff in there, localized folders mostly.
16:15<retrospectacus>and yes, apt install manpages
16:16<sfofm>0 man subdirectories contained newer manual pages.
16:16<sfofm>0 manual pages were added.
16:16<sfofm>0 stray cats were added.
16:16<sfofm>0 old database entries were purged.
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16:18<sfofm>I installed manpages but there are still no man pages.
16:19<sfofm>The improvement is that "man 7 man" returns a result now.
16:20<valdyn>sfofm: and the result is not a manpage?
16:20<sfofm>"man 7 man" returns a man page.
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16:20<sfofm>"man ntp" returns "No manual entry for ntpq
16:20<sfofm>See 'man 7 undocumented' for help when manual pages are not available."
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16:23<valdyn>sfofm: theres no ntp manpage anywhere
16:23<valdyn>sfofm: not in debian, probably not anywhere
16:23<sfofm>It returns a page for ntp.conf
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16:24<valdyn>sfofm: ntp is a protocol, protocols are in rfcs, not in manpages
16:25<valdyn>(its also a package of course, but packages themselves dont ever have manpages either)
16:25<sfofm>darn: "No manual entry for sshd_config"
16:26<zlatan>sfofm, but there is for sshd
16:26<zlatan>:P
16:26<valdyn>sshd_config (5) exists too
16:27<valdyn>sfofm: which problem are you trying to solve really?
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16:28<sfofm>I'm trying to remove RC4 ciphers from SSH.
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16:29<valdyn>sfofm: but according to you the ssh server is not even installed
16:29<valdyn>sfofm: because if it was, then that manpage would exist
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16:29<sfofm>That's the problem lol. It's installed but the man page is MIA.
16:30<valdyn>sfofm: dpkg -l openssh-server
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16:31<sfofm>It's there. 1:6.7p1-5. With "ii"
16:32<valdyn>sfofm: just reinstall it if you removed the manpage
16:32<valdyn>sfofm: apt-get install --reinstall openssh-server
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17:24<kirk>hey
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17:32<jrabbit>if I had a harddrive fail so I have a new /var how do I get apt/dpkg to work
17:33<jrabbit>like theres no lock file
17:33<retrospectacus>your /var is empty?
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17:34<jrabbit>retrospectacus: well it's sparse theres some folders automatically maDE
17:34<jrabbit>i basically made a new /home and /var after my disk failed
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17:37<Marcin_PL>Hello. What must I have to open DVD-RAM disk, wrotten on some Linux with UDF? Installed udftools and libudf0, DVD appears on Computer in Caja but I can't go into, neither mount -t udf /dev/sr0 /mnt/somewhere didn't work (no error message).
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17:40<jrabbit>so my dpkg status file is gone
17:40<Marcin_PL>Error mounting system-managed device /dev/sr0: Command-line `mount "/media/cdrom0"' exited with non-zero exit status 32: mount: no media in /dev/sr0
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17:47<retrospectacus>jrabbit: that sucks
17:47<jrabbit>looks like i basically need to reinstall >_> not ideal
17:49<retrospectacus>I think so. Unless you have backups
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17:49<jrabbit>not of var :(
17:50<retrospectacus>!things to backup
17:50<dpkg>Some things you should back up include: /etc /home /root /usr/local /usr/src /opt /srv. Tailor to your own purposes. If you think you don't need /var, make sure you don't forget /var/lib/dpkg /var/lib/apt* /var/lib/mysql /var/mail /var/www /var/cache/debconf /var/spool/cron ...
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17:55<pmart>I'm having a problem with gvfs-mount, says "not authorized" when trying to mount. polkit policy is fine, I am able to mount with udisksctl. I've uploaded the excerpt from dbus-monitor output of bus traffic: http://paste.debian.net/283076/
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17:56<pmart>same happens when doing this from pcmanfm
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18:22<Texou>hi
18:23<Texou>Isn't there any updates of flash plugin in Jessie? The plugin is considered deprecated by my Icewa!cr 38 and I cannot update, just activate it but not safe
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18:24<Marcin_PL>I'm pretty sure Adobe regrets they bought Flash years ago :)
18:24<Texou>I'm sure too :)
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18:24<peter1138>Texou, update-flashplugin-nonfree --install
18:24<Marcin_PL>Is there any fix on Windows yet?
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18:24<Texou>I hope that website will give up with it
18:25<Texou>peter1138: yes tried :)
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18:27<peter1138>Ah, I'm on iceweasel 31
18:27<peter1138>Hmm.
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18:40<Texou>peter1138: yeah, the command gave no updates whereas Iceweasel seems angry :)
18:40<Marcin_PL>Hey, is there sth to do after update-flashplugin-nonfree --install ? It looks just like a regular wget output.
18:41<Texou>Marcin_PL: nothing to do
18:42<Marcin_PL>OK
18:42<Texou>Marcin_PL: downloaded files may be moved to the appropriate location
18:42<Texou>automatically
18:42<Texou>(hence the fact it's seamless)
18:42<Marcin_PL>I did the command as root
18:42<Texou>fine
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18:51<Marcin_PL>It works, super. Is there any reason to look for update of peppermintflash or sth, that one for Chromium also?
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22:19<tharkun>!ltx
22:19<tharkun>!lts
22:21<centrx>dpkg, tell tharkun about lts
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22:23<tharkun>centrx: Thanks figured the right channel a second after posting !lts :)
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23:05<wrathchild>somebody using xchat for irc?
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23:14<dvs>!ask
23:14<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
23:14<dvs>oops
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