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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-07-17

---Logopened Fri Jul 17 00:00:12 2015
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00:42*wowaname is now legal! happy 18 [AME]
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01:10<wsky>wowaname: happy 18
01:11<unityX>heloo
01:11<wowaname>ty
01:11<unityX>what type of irc is this?
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01:17<wsky>it's the irc of doom
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01:32<dakka>according to /info its ircd-hybrid
01:32<wsky>lies
01:33<dakka>perhaps, but its not me thats lying
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02:45<shen>so you guys holding down the debian os
02:45<shen>its pretty cool i got it on a hdd somewhere
02:45<shen>maybe in the attic
02:46<shen>crap you know what i might have thrown it away i think the rats ate on it
02:47<jm_>is there something we can help you with or are you here just to troll? in that case just leave
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02:47<jm_>problem solved on its own
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02:48<Shentino>...disquieting
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03:33<wowaname>jm_ youre lucky i respect this channel ;p
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03:33<wowaname>i'd fuck with it along with #oftc and #tor etc but for one thing tor's banned in this channel anyway
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03:41<Stummi>wat?
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03:56<Guest436>hola
03:56<Guest436>como estan todos
03:56<jm_>!es
03:56<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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04:31<user01>exit
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05:00<pajaro>how to flush the dns cache in jessie?
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05:01<pajaro>(dig is showing a different ip than the one i try when i ping, thats what makes me think theres some dns cache)
05:01<pajaro>theres no nscd installed afaik
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05:02<jm_>where does ping get the IP from then?
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05:03<pajaro>thats my question :)
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05:04<jm_>strace shall reveal something but if ping is +s it would need to be run as root
05:04<Gabriel_7>pajaro, Well they would use the same cache anyway…
05:04<Gabriel_7>hmm no…
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05:05<pajaro>its not just ping, other daemons are getting the old ip as well :S
05:05<Gabriel_7>pajaro, Look at /etc/nsswitch.conf. You'll see all the enabled modules (in "hosts") which might intefere with the name resolution.
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05:06<pajaro>Gabriel_7, bingo
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05:06<pajaro>i had the old ip hardcoded in /etc/hosts u.u
05:06<Gabriel_7>:)
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05:07<pajaro>debian stopped caching dns by default for a while now... if i remember correctly... but you never know :)
05:08<Shentino>I like cheese
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06:13<EmleyMoor>Blimey, my toner cartridges have attracted bids 2 to 3 times starting price
06:13<EmleyMoor>29 hours to go, too.
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06:42<aidalgol>How do I control (start, stop, restart, reload, etc.) user (systemd) services?
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06:45<SynrG>generally 'service <servicename> start', etc.
06:46<SynrG>oh, user services?
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06:47<aidalgol>Yes, user services.
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06:48<SynrG>new concept for me. don't know
06:48<SynrG>i'd hit the doc, i guess
06:49<jm_>why do you think systemctl won't work?
06:49<SynrG>me? or aidalgol? the systemctl doc is exactly what i was just looking at
06:49<aidalgol>jm_: I don't; I'm just not at all familiar with systemd.
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06:50<jm_>aidalgol: that's what I would try
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06:51<aidalgol>systemctl start mpd => Failed to start mpd.service: Access denied
06:52<ixi>probably requires certain group membership
06:52<ixi>and your user isn't in it
06:52<ixi>consult documentation
06:52<aidalgol>My first thought was to try turning verbose or debug mode on for systemctl to see which .service file it's using, but I don't see any such option.
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06:53<duclicsic>who was the fiend that decided the order of arguments to systemctl should be <action> <name>?
06:53<aidalgol>Never mind, I left off --user
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06:55<ixi>The recommended way to run a "personal" mpd, as your own user while logged inta graphical user session from which a pulseaudio daemon has been started (as ithe default in Debian nowadays), is to disable the default system service using the command (as root) "update-rc.d mpd disable". mpd is then started through the XDG autostart mechanism upon logging into your desktop environment, provided it can find a valid config file (such as ~/.mpdconf).
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06:56<aidalgol>ixi: I read that, and I'm not using a desktop environment, so no XDG autostart mechanism.
06:57<jm_>i'm surprised you even use systemd then :)
06:58<aidalgol>Well it's the default, isn't it?
06:58<aidalgol>Does it not make sense to use if running just a bare WM?
06:59<zlatan>aidalgol, for the access denied you need sudo (or root) privileges
07:00<ixi>to me the real question would be
07:00<ixi>what kind of sense does it make to run only a window manager
07:00<ixi>and have to wrestle with things to get them to work
07:00<ixi>but if that's your thing, have fun
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07:01<aidalgol>zlatan: Yeah, I realised that I was running the command to start the *system* service, not the *user* service.
07:01<aidalgol>ixi: If I didn't think running it through systemd was the Right Way™, I would be done already.
07:02<jm_>i also only run wm and i don't wrestle with anything ...
07:03<zlatan>also old fashioned /etc/init.d/foo start should work
07:03<aidalgol>zlatan: That still works on jessie?
07:03<zlatan>I am on unstable+experimental and it still works
07:04<aidalgol>OK, cool. I thought that had been dropped (but then I haven't had to pay close attention to the transition).
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07:05<aidalgol>OK, I have this running now, and learned a bit about systemd services. Ta!
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07:09<gerrit_>Is there a way to program C3 in debian?
07:09<gerrit_>C#
07:09<ixi>vim
07:09<ixi>mono
07:09<jm_>gerrit_: mono can be used for that
07:09<ixi>should be doable
07:10<gerrit_>oke because i did program alot in windows C# and i have a program that need to be finished :S
07:10<gerrit_>only its wpf :S
07:11<gerrit_>and i dont know if mono is able to program wpf
07:11<SynrG>wtf? wordperfect?
07:11<gerrit_>no not wordperfect :D
07:12<ixi>windows blahblah forms probably
07:12<ixi>who knows
07:12<gerrit_>Windows Presentation Foundation
07:12<SynrG>heh
07:12<ixi>close enough
07:12<gerrit_>hahhahaa
07:12<gerrit_>or else i need to reprogram it in C / C++ or normal C#
07:13<ixi>or scheme
07:13<gerrit_>scheme?
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07:13<gerrit_>dont know that language
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07:14<gerrit_>ah its a bit like java
07:14<gerrit_>ixi, but is it able to use it in windows
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07:14<ixi>sure.
07:15<gerrit_>ah oke
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07:15<zlatan>so many unrelated stuff to debian support ch :D
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07:15<SynrG>http://stackoverflow.com/questions/19173336/xbuild-error-building-sln-file
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07:16<SynrG>"WPF is not implemented on Mono and they have no plans to do so", "You will need to find another implementation for the client GUI (or make one yourself!)."
07:16<ixi>I cannot beleive it /s
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07:16<gerrit_>well it doesnt need to be wpf
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07:17<SynrG>wx, maybe?
07:17<EmleyMoor>I have a laptop I sometimes use on a static IP(v4/v6) mobile connection, and I want to be able to send print jobs from it to a parallel printer plugged into one of my servers. (I can print to my networked colour printer from it already.) How do I go about making it work?
07:17<themill>gerrit_: the winforms or gtk interfaces to mono are commonly used
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07:18<gerrit_>ah oke because i dont nothing else anymore then debian :D
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07:18<gerrit_>so i need to find a way to program in debian :D
07:18<jm_>EmleyMoor: you can use cups for printing to a remote printer
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07:18<rrt>Hey! I wanted to remove few gnome features, I purged gnome & installed gnome-core, everything looks fine beside the Iceweasel fonts. They seems very ugly. Does any one have an idea what packages are they included in? Perhaps, gnome-themes or others? I don't wanna try them one by one. Thank you!
07:19<EmleyMoor>jm: That's obvious... it's how to get it to work... tried ipp and ipps and the laptop couldn't get the printer's status.
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07:20<gerrit_>themill, i can use codeblock with wxsmith to
07:20<gerrit_>or is that a bad combination
07:20<jm_>rrt: have you tried changing them in iw preferences?
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07:21<jm_>EmleyMoor: have you allowed it access in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf?
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07:23<EmleyMoor>jm_: Not-yet-relevantly, yes... I'm trying to get the necessary connection to work on the local network first...
07:23<rrt>jm_, its not really fonts, I mean the boxes etc check this: http://i.imgur.com/pNBZQ0P.png How do you actually define this?
07:24<ixi>thats a gtk theme
07:24<themill>gerrit_: they're all in debian but I have no experience of them
07:24<rrt>jm_, it looks like old graphics, but my nautilus etc is very fine
07:24<gerrit_>ah oke
07:24<ixi>you need to install a suitable gtk theme
07:24<ixi>and then use it
07:24<ixi>rrt ^^^
07:25<jm_>EmleyMoor: what do you mean with local network then?
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07:25<rrt>ixi, I have Adwaita theme from gnome-tweak-tool and it looks fine everywhere but not in Iceweasel so I though its something else
07:26<ixi>rrt install the package 'lxappearance' from apt-get
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07:27<ixi>then use it to configure your gtk stuffs
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07:27<EmleyMoor>jm_: Ummm... what sort of answer would be good? Bluntly, I can see the shared printer there, but that's irrelevant when I change connection as it disappears. I'm trying to set up some kind of connection to the printer that should (subject to firewalls/ACLs) work regardless of the network connection used on the laptop.
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07:28<rrt>ixi, here is some contrast http://i.imgur.com/DAHFkGa.png I need to restart gdm afterwards?
07:28<ixi>rrt did you install lxappearance
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07:29<jm_>EmleyMoor: you need to edit cupsd.conf on the system where printer is connected (and whose hostname you use in ipp://foo on the other side)
07:29<rrt>ixi, yes
07:29<EmleyMoor>jm_: I already have.
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07:30<EmleyMoor>The relevance is ipp seems totally (even same local network) "no go" for that printer
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07:30<ixi>rrt launch it (as non root user) and in 'widget' tab you should be able to change to look of your widgets
07:30<jm_>EmleyMoor: that's the only thing I had to do to make this work really
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07:31<EmleyMoor>jm_: I've been unable to make it work since jessie
07:33<rrt>ixi, doesn't seems to change in iceweasel
07:34<EmleyMoor>I managed to get access within the local network by enabling cups-browsed, but that uses dnssd. I haven't found out how to make that reach the laptop's mobile connection. Nor have I got ipp access to this printer to work at all, even on the local network.
07:35<ixi>rrt do you have a .gtkrc-2.0 file in your $HOME ?
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07:35<jm_>EmleyMoor: hmm will try to check it next week I guess
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07:36<EmleyMoor>It's one of the last two issues I'm having with jessie - and I'm not chasing the other hard as I plan to shift that service onto a brand new machine very soon.
07:36<rrt>ixi, when I restarted it seems to go back to Adwaita instead Clear looks but anyway its not like it changed anywhere. I'm in Gnome Jessie, do you want me to change the gtk-icon-theme="Adwaita"?
07:38<ixi>rrt no
07:38<ixi>rrt do you have the package gtk2-engines installed ?
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07:38<rrt>ixi, yes
07:39<rrt>ixi, do you want me to install gnome-themes that has gtk2-engines-pixbuf in extras?
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07:40<ixi>no rrt
07:40<ixi>I think I'm out of ideas
07:40<rrt>ixi, alright, thank you for your time! :3
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07:44<jm_>it also shows you are using old iceweasel as new one has completely different look for preferences :)
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07:46<rrt>ixi, jm_ I changed them by installing gnome-themes and then alterning the icons the gnome-tweakt-tool great!
07:47<EmleyMoor>I get this error, server side: E [17/Jul/2015:12:46:28 +0100] [Client 17] Request from "[v1.2001:8b0:ff29:7d97:2268:9dff:fe06:9faf]" using invalid Host: field "firthpark.tinsleyviaduct.com:631"
07:47<rrt>ixi, jm_ actually even without altering the gnome-themes package solved it now Adwaita looks great there! :D
07:47<jm_>EmleyMoor: same here, this is definitely new with jessie
07:48<ixi>rrt great
07:48<EmleyMoor>OK - well, I'll live with it for now...
07:49<jm_>haven't found solution after quick search, will need to leave it for some other day
07:49<EmleyMoor>Unless I can somehow get it to work through cups-browsed remotely, I see no easy way forward. Thanks for proving it's not just me though.
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08:07<Natureshadow>Is security.debian.org somehow broken?
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08:07<Natureshadow>We get connection refused from hsots it resolves to
08:07<Natureshadow>And this has been lasting for at least an hour
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08:10<mohammad-ghasemi>how can I open that window that lets the user choose between display managers?
08:10<mohammad-ghasemi>the window that appears when you install a new display manager
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08:11<ixi>Natureshadow what ip does it resolve to for you
08:12<Natureshadow>security.debian.org has address 212.211.132.32
08:12<Natureshadow>security.debian.org has address 212.211.132.250
08:12<Natureshadow>security.debian.org has address 195.20.242.89
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08:12<Natureshadow>However, only HTTPS is unavailable
08:12<Natureshadow>I am not sure whether that was available?
08:12<Natureshadow>I thionk so, because https:// has been in sources./list here for quitesome time…
08:12<Natureshadow>Maybe this is also pebkac ;)
08:12<mohammad-ghasemi>why some software are not in debian repositories. Does it mean there is a problem with those software?
08:13<zlatan>mohammad-ghasemi, display managers? as gdm, kdm, lightdm? it's sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm3 (if you have it) and then it will show all available ones to choose from
08:13<mohammad-ghasemi>zlatan thanks
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08:14<ixi>if software isn't in repos, it means either it doesn't meet dfsg criteria, or no one thought it was important enough to actually do the work of packaging
08:15<zlatan>mohammad-ghasemi, it means that they either aren't packaged for Debian for various reasons or they had RC bugs and didn't get into stable release (or it was packaged after freeze time)
08:16<mohammad-ghasemi>ixi zlatan: Thank you!
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08:39<mohammad>hello, I just uninstaled xdm (display manager). After I did that a dialog box asked me if I want to stop xdm deamon. I did that. And now i'm stuck in the terminal. Fortunatly i had install irssi before. How can I login to my xfce session from terminal?
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08:40<mohammad>Help me. I'm scared. It's dark in here :)
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08:42<duclicsic>mohammad: try running startx
08:42<duclicsic>no idea if it'll work
08:42<mohammad>how to close irssi
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08:42<mohammad>?
08:42<duclicsic>type /quit
08:43<mohammad>thankyou
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08:44<duclicsic>almost just typed that in directly there.. might be fun to ask that question in an irssi related channel and see how many people leave.
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08:45<SynrG>what's the problem? i'd just say:
08:45<SynrG>/quit
08:45*SynrG suspects duclicsic hasn't learned the /say command
08:45<duclicsic>it also works if you just prefix it with a space i think
08:45<duclicsic>but no, i don't know my irssi commands that well
08:46<duclicsic>despite having used it for over 10 years easy
08:46<mohammad-ghasemi>duclicsic thank you man/woman! I'm the stuck one. Now back to life.
08:46<blast007>and a shortcut to /say is just a / with a space after it (as in, "/ /quit")
08:47<mohammad-ghasemi>startx worked
08:47<duclicsic>mohammad-ghasemi: you're welcome. you might want to consider installing a display manager now though
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08:47<mohammad-ghasemi>yes
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08:48<SynrG>blast007: but irssi-specific, whereas /say isn't
08:49<blast007>true, but context was irssi here :)
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09:14<mohammad-ghasemi>how to search for an exact phrase in synaptic package manager?
09:15<mohammad-ghasemi>like when you use "window manager" in google. So you only see result that have the the whole phrase in them
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10:01<abferm>mohammad-ghasemi: I use apt-cache search and grep (ex: `apt-cache search window | grep "window manager"`)
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10:12<smdrz>is obexftp supported in gvfs
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10:47<fanto666>morning. Why is courier-authlib in wheezy in version 0.63.0-6+b1 when debian/Changelog mentions version only 0.63.0-6 ?
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10:48<themill>!binnmu
10:48<dpkg>it has been said that binnmu is binary <NMU>, which means a package was recompiled without changing the source. This often occurs when one of the libraries a package depends on has changed, and it needs to be recompiled against the newer library. The <debian revision> part of the package version normally has +b1 (+b2 etc) appended to it. http://wiki.debian.org/binNMU
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10:49<fanto666>thanks
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10:57<fanto666>and can I find somewhere reason of such NMU?
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13:09<lamas>blop
13:09<lamas>il ya des gens ici ?
13:09<lamas>s'il vous plait ?
13:10<lamas>guys ?
13:10<ansgar>!fr
13:10<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
13:11<lamas>??
13:11<lamas>et comment ?
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13:11<ansgar>lamas: Type "/join #debian-fr"
13:11<lamas>ty
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13:12<chr5>buenas tardes compañeros
13:13<chr5>necesito que alguien me explique como consigo que mi ubuntu arranque una serie de aplicaciones directamente en el arranque
13:13<chr5>el tomboy exactamente
13:13<chr5>alguien podría ayudarme? gracias
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13:13<chr5>hi guys, someone can help me?
13:14<bilakos10>what is wrong with everyone here
13:14<musca>hello chr5
13:14<retrospectacus>in English, possibly
13:14<bilakos10>!es
13:14<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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13:14<retrospectacus>!ubuntu-es
13:14<dpkg>Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en chat.freenode.net Ahi recibira mas soporte.
13:15<chr5>I need my tomboy start up when my sistem boot
13:15<chr5>i use ubuntu system
13:15<retrospectacus>!ubuntu
13:15<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
13:15<chr5>thanks
13:16<retrospectacus>!ubuntuirc chr5
13:16<dpkg>chr5: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
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15:29<dontknow>why is copying files from one partition to another is faster on gnome than xfce?
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15:59<frlttrwrd>what program shows this Hard Disk Health Warning message ( http://picpaste.com/pics/warning-Ngh1LcR1.1437162965.png )? is it installed/enabled by default or did I do that?
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16:00<frlttrwrd>oh, it says so right there -.-
16:00<frlttrwrd>nevermind then
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16:22<branca>hi boys
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17:11<exoplanet>hello, how can i list all installed source packages?
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17:23<nuha>can we chat
17:23<nuha>hola
17:23<nuha>plz answer bruh
17:23<nuha>helow
17:24<nuha>miaow
17:24<nuha>meow
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17:39<DennisTheTiger>I have a Lenny install that I'm getting ready to dist-upgrade, but I'm also seeing signs of impending HDD failure on the disk on which my / and /boot live. (/home lives on another disk.) As such, what I'm looking to do is basically do a fresh install of Jessie and more or less port my existing configuration over - but the problem is knowing what packages in Jessie replace some in Lenny, which I'm certain will happen to one de
17:39<DennisTheTiger>gree or another. With this in mind, is there a way to get a list, based on my installed packages list, that will show me what packages will be removed and/or superceded, and if superceded, by what?
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17:51<retrospectacus>not really. you could start/fake an upgrade and see what it wants to do, but that would only get you to squeeze.
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17:52<retrospectacus>best would be to just make a note of what features/functions this machine has/does/provides and try to produce a replacement jessie
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17:52<retrospectacus>features and functions, not packages.
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18:08<dcase>hey
18:09<dcase>hello
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18:19<DennisTheTiger>retrospectacus: ...I can't bloody believe I said Lenny.
18:19<DennisTheTiger>It's whatever current oldstable is.
18:20<DennisTheTiger>I'm presuming the same principles apply, though?
18:20<retrospectacus>wheezy?
18:20<DennisTheTiger>Yes, thank you.
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18:20<DennisTheTiger>How my brain got stuck way back on Lenny I will never know. ))
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18:22<retrospectacus>well, then just copy the disk and do a regular upgrade, I guess
18:22<DennisTheTiger>retrospectacus: ...Occam for the win. I'll take it. =)
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18:25<retrospectacus>or do a jessie install on a new disk and keep the old one around in case you need something, or back up important parts of it
18:25<retrospectacus>depends how long you think the disk will last
18:25<DennisTheTiger>Gonna have to revert my sources.list either way to Wheezy.
18:26<retrospectacus>revert your sources list to wheezy? In jessie?
18:27<retrospectacus>no. just add more lines for wheezy in case you need things from there
18:27<DennisTheTiger>It's not Jessie *yet*. I updated the sources first, and shortly after that is when my problems started to manfest.
18:27<retrospectacus>hmm ok
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18:28<retrospectacus>what's your plan
18:28-!-mode/#debian [+l 676] by debhelper
18:28<DennisTheTiger>Side note: good news is that the disk hasn't started to SMART off at me, but it's a four year old disk - if it's spontaneously remounting ro, it's only a matter of time before it hits the fan.
18:29<DennisTheTiger>retrospectacus: Game plan I had in mind was basically the second idea you had (fresh Jessie install on other disk), but have the package list (minus all the libs) as I explained handy - and from there, just 'aptitude install < package-list' or something.
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18:30<retrospectacus>"minus all the libs" ...really it can be "minus all automatically installed packages"
18:31<DennisTheTiger>Exactly.
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19:52<petn-randall>It seem as though the NO_START option for dropbear disappeared in jessie. changelog doesn't say anything.
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21:13<wyatt8740>hi, i'm trying to install debian via USB to an IBM xSeries 236 server.
21:13<wyatt8740>i booted from USB with a debian 8.1 net install image, and I get the message "isolinux.bin missing or corrupt".
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21:14<wyatt8740>using an external USB hard disk.
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21:16<wyatt8740>anyone know what i'm doing wrong?
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21:44<wyatt8740>anyone here?
21:44<petn-randall>I have a jessie installation where I have /boot unencrypted, and everything else in a LUKS container. Booting with cryptsetup+busybox+dropbear installed in wheezy gave me a way to pass the password to /lib/cryptsetup/passfifo.
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21:45<petn-randall>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=714104.
21:45<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/714104 in cryptsetup (closed, patch): «crypsetup: Do not unconditionally include cryptsetup in initramfs»; severity: normal; opened: 2013-06-25; last modified: 2014-09-23.
21:46<petn-randall>wyatt8740: Yes, people are here. Don't ask to ask, just ask your real question.
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21:48<wyatt8740>I did ask
21:48<wyatt8740>and no one answered
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21:48<wyatt8740>"<wyatt8740> hi, i'm trying to install debian via USB to an IBM xSeries 236 server."
21:48<wyatt8740>"<wyatt8740> i booted from USB with a debian 8.1 net install image, and I get the message "isolinux.bin missing or corrupt"."
21:48<wyatt8740>"<wyatt8740> using an external USB hard disk."
21:48<wyatt8740>"<wyatt8740> anyone know what i'm doing wrong?"
21:49<wyatt8740>i have tried this with both 32 bit and 64 bit netinst images and am currently downloading the full DVD image to try that.
21:49<themill>how are you copying the image to the disk?
21:49<wyatt8740>i copied with cat
21:50<wyatt8740>cat 'debian-image.iso' > /dev/sdk (the letter of my external hard disk)
21:50<themill>precisely how?
21:50<themill>ok
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21:51<petn-randall>wyatt8740: This usually is a typical error message you get when using unetbootin, or any other image preparer that mangles the image in esoteric ways.
21:52<wyatt8740>i did not use any of that.
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21:52<wyatt8740>:p
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21:52<wyatt8740>the image is clearly there under isolinux/isolinux.bin
21:52<petn-randall>wyatt8740: You could check the USB for corruption though. I think the installation manual has a section about that.
21:52<wyatt8740>this is an external disk and brand new. I have checked it.
21:53<wyatt8740>but its a spinning disk to be clear
21:53<wyatt8740>oh speaking of installer problems, I had to make a custom DVD to boot debian on my old intel imac.
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21:54<wyatt8740>the presence of a EFI boot image was making it fail to boot since its 32 bit EFI.
21:54<wyatt8740>removing the EFI boot image from the disc fixed it and let it boot in compatibility mode.
21:54<themill>this is known and there are special images made just for macs
21:54<wyatt8740>are there?
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21:54<wyatt8740>for the 32 bit efi ones?
21:54<wyatt8740>where?
21:55<wyatt8740>specifically this has a 64 bit cpu and 32 bit efi.
21:55<wyatt8740>i got it running 64 bit debian.
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21:56<themill>debian-mac-8.1.0-i386-netinst.iso
21:56<wyatt8740>thats 32 bit though
21:56<wyatt8740>there's no 64 bit image for the macs that have core 2 duo's in them
21:56<themill>ahh, there's the 32bit efi but 64bit amd64 images for the baytrail things
21:57<wyatt8740>but do those work despite the 64 bit efi?
21:57<dbagnall>is there any reason to choose `sudo apt-get linux-source` over `apt-get source linux` ?
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21:57<themill>wyatt8740: I have no experience of them beyond reading the reports the boot team have been writing
22:01<wyatt8740>ah.
22:01<wyatt8740>anyway, about my IBM server.
22:01<wyatt8740>any ideas while i wait for the full DVD to download?
22:02<petn-randall>*sigh* ... undocumented "feature" in stable. CRYPTSETUP=y is apparently an option you can set for initramfs, not documented :(
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22:03<wyatt8740>only undocumented thing I know of is growisofs's "--use-the-force-luke" option
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22:04<Guest532>how to install driver amd catalyst 15.7, please help ?
22:04<petn-randall>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=714104
22:04<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/714104 in cryptsetup (closed, patch): «crypsetup: Do not unconditionally include cryptsetup in initramfs»; severity: normal; opened: 2013-06-25; last modified: 2014-09-23.
22:05<petn-randall>^^^ this bug adds a "feature", of only conditionally including cryptsetup into initramfs, but doesn't document the new settings. Shall I re-open the bug or file a new one?
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22:07<themill>it's a different bug
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22:14<petn-randall>well, there's two bugs I see. 1) feature is not documented 2) cryptsetup is incorrectly dropped from initramfs (in my case), even though the rootfs lies on a LUKS container.
22:14<petn-randall>Though I'm still digging through the initramfs hook as to why it's that case.
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22:17*petn-randall facepalms.
22:17<petn-randall>themill: Scratch 2), I set up the system with debootstrap, and it was missing lvm2.
22:18<themill>yeah, forgetting to install lvm2 is a common one
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22:19<petn-randall>Let's see if the machine boots now.
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22:20<wyatt8740>could i somehow manually specify where isolinux.bin is?
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22:27<wyatt8740>can one specify the location of isolinux.bin?
22:27<wyatt8740>like in a grub console or something?
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22:27<wyatt8740>or do i have the order of things wrong
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22:29<petn-randall>dbagnall: no, the first one will just let apt-get throw an error, the second give you the kernel source.
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22:42<themill>wyatt8740: grub shouldn't be involved in this at all
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22:58<wyatt8740>themill: i can get to grub because previous owner somehow managed to get ubuntu on this thing
22:58<wyatt8740>how I will never know
22:59<wyatt8740>maybe my dvd's are just too bad for this drive to read
23:00<themill>If it's booting off the usb disk then grub should not be involved
23:01<wyatt8740>well if its not really booting off of it :\
23:01<wyatt8740>just 'almost'
23:02<wyatt8740>because it says "syslinux.bin not found or corrupt" or something like that
23:02<themill>it's either the boot device or not... this is binary and there is not almost
23:02<wyatt8740>alright. well, it boots to an extent
23:02<wyatt8740>i should have said that
23:04<themill>but you're saying that grub is starting
23:04<wyatt8740>yes, off of the primary HDD.
23:04<wyatt8740>because someone had previously somehow installed ubuntu on it
23:04<themill>it should not be. the usb disk should be the boot edvice
23:05<wyatt8740>and when I boot usb it does not start
23:05<wyatt8740>anyway, doing this i've managed to make debian setup start. http://i.imgur.com/43OJR1Q.jpg
23:05<themill>egads
23:05<wyatt8740>my guess is the DVD's I'm burning are too crappy to be read by this old drive
23:05<wyatt8740>and the previous owner installed it via a better burn
23:05<dbagnall>petn-randall: yes, sorry, i meant `sudo apt-get install linux-source`
23:06<petn-randall>dbagnall: Well, that case will give you the source in a specific directory, read-only for everyone, writeable only to (I presume) root. The latter will put the source into your current directory, writeable by your user.
23:07<wyatt8740>P.S. a pic of the hardware as a whole for no real reason http://i.imgur.com/hGQ5rlN.jpg
23:07<wyatt8740>the ascii terminal to the side is something I want to experiment with once I have the server running
23:08<dbagnall>petn-randall: in the meantime I have found there is a bit more to it than that
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