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00:19<rhostat>ryouma: Nod, initrd and if there's still a problem trace the driver stack load sequence.
00:20<rhostat>ryouma: initrd isn't perfect if there's a delay of some sort.
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00:22<rhostat>ryouma: .that is you may have to add some special handling inside initrd itself.
00:23<rhostat>ryouma: .or an offshoot script from initrd.
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00:32<twb>rhostat: AIUI the problem isn't a race condition during the ramdisk runtime; the problem is the ramdisk is not being created with the correct /etc/crypttab
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00:34<ryouma>rhostat: dunno what a "driver stack load sequence" is, but the problem is that the initrd is not being correctly created. in particular (and i have diffed it), the initrd's conf.d/cryptroot is not being updated.
00:34<ryouma>afk for a bit
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00:50<rhostat>twd: From what I read there were clues that indicated a question in the when to exec realm. If you've tracked down the error msg plz ignore.
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00:56<twb>OK so /etc/default/tmpfs exists on debian and it says "you can set this to make /tmp a tmpfs".
00:56<twb>If you set it, systemd IGNORES IT COMPLETELY. Rrrgh.
00:56<twb>http://sprunge.us/NaLL?diff
00:57<twb>If that file's no good, it shouldn't be present in a fresh never-was-sysvinit install :-/
00:59<twb>I'm going to just use fstab like I had to under stupid upstart, because ICBF learning about /etc/systemd/tmpfiles or whatever that New Way is
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01:23<twb>Now that /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules is gone, what's the right way to give network interfaces logical names? (e.g. "phones" instead of "eth0")
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01:24<ryouma>(to rhostat who is gone: although i am ignorant in the ways of boot, i am confident of this much: it is an initramfs that did not have its cryptroot updated)
01:26<twb>Ah, my notes already say: https://bugs.debian.org/716801 -- I have to create that file ab initio.
01:26<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/716801 in udev (closed): «udev: 70-persistent-net.rules isn't generated»; severity: normal; opened: 2013-07-12; last modified: 2013-08-19.
01:27<jm_>twb: is it really gone? I still have it and /lib/udev/write_net_rules still exists
01:27<twb>jm_: apparently it's automatically disabled for some MAC addresses
01:28<twb>ENV{MATCHADDR}=="?[2367abef]:*", ENV{MATCHADDR}=""; ENV{MATCHADDR}=="52:54:00:*|54:52:00:*", ENV{MATCHADDR}=""
01:28<twb>Without looking, I suppose those are the default MAC prefixes of KVM and vbox
01:28<jm_>yeah that's what bug says too it seems
01:29<twb>Yeah I had just forgotten all the details because I hadn't set up a modern debian VM for a while
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01:31<twb>Hey! Why is judd still using a non-TLS link? Boo!
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02:16<rhostat>!ask
02:16<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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02:20<twb>rhostat: if that was for personal consumption, note that you can /msg dpkg, as long as you're in a channel he's in
02:28<rhostat>twb: Be kind and elaborate plz
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02:30<twb>rhostat: why did you use !ask ?
02:30<rhostat>twb: For newcomers.
02:31<twb>OK. Just ignore my message, then.
02:31<rhostat>twb: It's ok to be curious. Any other questions?
02:31<valdyn>twb: you can use the same old 70-persistent-net.rules
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02:32<twb>rhostat: not right now
02:32<twb>valdyn: nod.
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02:40<rhostat>valdyn: There was a reason why the xxxxx.rules didn't work for some hot swap cases. I can't recall exactly what it was.
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02:42<harrychapman>Hi all. I'm very new to Debian and Linux and I'm trying to install a package on Jessie to make my ralink wifi work. I need to install this package https://wiki.debian.org/rt3290 - how do I do that using apt-get?? Thanks in advance!
02:42<harrychapman>(or rather, the package listed on that page, which is https://packages.debian.org/jessie/firmware-ralink )
02:42<twb>harrychapman: can you reach the internet with apt-get, or does that need the wifi working first?
02:43<twb>harrychapman: in the first case, you just need to enable non-free AFAICT
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02:43<harrychapman>twb: hi! I've got an ethernet cable plugged in for internet access on the computer. I think I've enabled non-free but maybe I haven't done it correctly
02:44<twb>harrychapman: OK let's look at your sources.list*
02:44<twb>harrychapman: also: you need to "apt-get update" after changing sources.list
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02:45<twb>harrychapman: apt-cache policy | curl sprunge.us -Fsprunge=@- # this should pastebin apt-cache policy; tell me what URL it gives you
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02:46<harrychapman>twb: Okay! It says curl: command not found
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02:46<twb>OK apt-get install curl first :-)
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02:46<twb>Or you can pastebin in a different way if you are comfortable doing it your own way
02:46<harrychapman>twb: http://sprunge.us/BgDY
02:47<twb>So we can see there it knows about non-free for security, but not for your ftp.nz.debian.org repos
02:47<harrychapman>twb: Ah right - that was very silly of me!
02:47<twb>You need to add non-free to all three of those
02:48<harrychapman>twb: right! I'll try that and see if it works. Thanks!
02:48<twb>You might also want to try http.debian.net instead of hard-coding the .nz mirror.
02:48<twb>Tho here in .au it tends to pick overseas mirrors because *all* the AU mirrors are usually broken :-(
02:48<harrychapman>twb: Okay I'll keep that in mind :-)
02:49<twb>If you browse to http.debian.net it will tell you which mirror you'll get right now
02:50<twb>Oh, and I should call it by its new name httpredir.debian.org
02:51<harrychapman>twb: I have to go, but thanks very much for your help!!!
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02:51<twb>No worries, you were an easy person to help :-)
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03:00<alexander>hello
03:00<alexander>how can I downgrade php 5.6 do 5.4 or 5.3 on debian 8
03:00<alexander>including libapache2-mod-fastcgi
03:00<alexander>has anyone ever done this
03:01<twb>alexander: I don't think that's supported
03:02<alexander>shit
03:02<alexander>alright thanks
03:02<twb>You can have php 5.4 in wheezy
03:02<twb>There might be better answers from php users, but that's the general advice
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06:58<yao_>qu'es ce que s'es!
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07:35<jeroentbt>help
07:35<jeroentbt>oops, please ignore. I'm fine :)
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08:10<Jan\>why is debian more compatible than its ported distros?
08:10<Jan\>do they intentionally remove drivers ?
08:12<muep>ported distros?
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08:12<centrx>derivatives?
08:12<muep>seems a bit over-generalizing
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08:12<centrx>Jan\, They make changes or updates to the software, and don't necessarily verify that they work on other architectures
08:12<muep>certainly someone can make a debian derivative that does not ship all the drivers that debian ships
08:12<centrx>Jan\, The derivatives are different, more or less, otherwise they would be the same
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08:18<guruprasad>I remember reading that GNOME 3.14 (which is the default DE on Jessie) supports captive portal detection. But I have never seen it in my laptop?
08:18<guruprasad>What could be the issue?
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08:19<muep>network setup stuff in gnome is quite heavily based on networkmanager, so the problem might be related to e.g. having a tool old NM version or to an unsuitable NM config
08:19<guruprasad>muep, I have never manually edited any network manager configuration
08:20<guruprasad>and I have been running unstable since a couple of months after the Wheezy release.
08:20<muep>yep, but distro specific defaults in debian may differ from what gnome needs for the detection feature
08:20<muep>https://blogs.gnome.org/dcbw/2015/02/16/networkmanager-for-administrators-part-1/ mentions at least one related config item
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08:22<guruprasad>muep, that is helpful :)
08:23<guruprasad>any idea why that is defaults in debian do not enable that?
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08:24<muep>I do not know if debian defaults are related
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08:24<muep>it is just a guess
08:25<muep>but the connectivity check involves making a http request that the user did not ask for, which some might consider to be an unnecessary privacy problem
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08:27<guruprasad>Yes, I agree with the privacy issue. But it could be opt-in so that the user can enable it
08:28<muep>if the NM version is new enough, the user should be able to enable it
08:28<muep>afaik it is a runtime config option
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08:32<guruprasad>Yes, but there is always an issue with using a 3rd-party phone home URL. I am planning to try that out by setting up my own URL (that returns the expected 204 response) and then enabling it :)
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08:43<Jan\>how do i make a desktop shortcut with lxde ?
08:43<centrx>right-click on the desktop?
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08:52<Jan\>can only make new folder
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08:59<peter1138>hmm, doing frsh install to raid, disks are partitioned but device nides don't exist
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09:00<peter1138>how can i rescan partitions?
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09:03<musca>!reread partition table
09:03<dpkg>hmm... reread partition table is hdparm -z (for IDE/ATA devices) or maybe 'blockdev --rereadpt' if you're lucky, or possibly something with /sys/bus/scsi/devices/*/rescan. We're all a little unsure about this, feel free to add.
09:03<peter1138>hmm i see ldm is messing it up
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09:04<musca>reboot is not the worst choice
09:06<peter1138>doesn't help
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09:06<peter1138>pesky thing
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09:10<peter1138>oh well, the original os no longer boots now, damn
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09:17<cwenner>Hi Channel, I might be missing something obvious here but have googled, experimented, and not made any real progress in several days now. A wheezy server freezes very early in the boot process and I am not able to figure out why or how to get more information out of it. Aside from the boot log, no log files are even updated before the boot freezes. I have also added log flags to the kernel and made rsynclog always flush but the log files
09:17<cwenner>are empty besides initialization. What has caused this issue, I am not sure of, but I did do the mistake of a complete aptitude update on 7.7 (not dist upgrade) without rebooting the server for a month. No system files have otherwise been touched. The server reboot was not planned but whether this is related to the problem is not certain, especially when the server does not physically reside with me. Judging by the logs, I do not believe
09:17<cwenner>there has been a break in. The most important system file which was updated with apt from the last working boot was initramfs, though no other boot files were changed. The only change I've tried was an update-initramfs but to no avail. Is there any way I could get more information out or is there anything else I should test? My next step would otherwise be to upgrade to 8.1 in hope that it clears out the issue and otherwise to just reinst
09:17<cwenner>all the OS and hope that the issue does not appear again :s. By comparing with other boot logs, it seems the next step would normally be runlevel 2 init. Thank you kindly for reading and any tips. Boot log: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=JguYRqJZ
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09:19<olivierr>Hi there, I'm into recovering the password of a debian we have, I've acceded to the grub but i'm unable to acess the list of users with the hash pwd. I just want to crack the md5 encrypted password
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09:19<peter1138>just reset the password
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09:20<olivierr>actually I need it
09:21<olivierr>I really can't change it
09:24<duclicsic>you need to recover that specific password?
09:24<peter1138>unless it's really old, it's probably not md5
09:24<duclicsic>you can boot a live cd, mount your drive and read the contents of /etc/shadow, then you can stuff that into a tool like ocl/cudaHashCat or something
09:24<peter1138>and also it's hashed, not encrypted
09:24<duclicsic>but it may take some time
09:25<duclicsic>s/may/will/
09:25<olivierr>yea
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09:25<olivierr>thanks for the advice
09:25<duclicsic>do you know whether it was a particularly secure password?
09:27<duclicsic>if it's 8 characters or more you're probably going to be out of luck, unless you happen to have your own render farm or something with lots of computing power
09:28<olivierr>yep
09:28<olivierr>did the lenght of the hash help finding number of characters?
09:29<duclicsic>no
09:29<duclicsic>the hash will be the same length regardless
09:30<olivierr>oh okay
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09:49<mohammad-ghasemi>By dividing the number of users in #debian to ##linux, can we assume that 37% of linux users, use debian?
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09:50<tertu>no
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09:51<themill>Well, you can assume it if you want -- it would just be an unfounded assumption.
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10:04<mohammad-ghasemi>tertu themill thank you
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10:06<pujan14>Hi I am trying to configure gnome so ssh://test@test.com works as a link, but I keep getting
10:06<pujan14>gvfs-open: ssh://test@test.com: error opening location: The specified location is not mounted.
10:06<pujan14>Does anyone have any experience with this?
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10:46<olivierr>Hey there I'm with a linu live cd, is there any way to keep information on the screen, i mean when I do a fdisk for exemple the screen isn't big enough to carry information
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10:48<Stummi>olivierr, probably with screen or tmux
10:49<olivierr>okay I'll go for this thanks
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10:51<claw>Hey there. A question on ecryptfs : what prevents me from booting with init=/bin/bash and change to user password ?
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11:04<ninja>HI, I have a internal apt-mirror which is mirroring from external debian repos
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11:05<ninja>but most of the times when i do apt-get update from the clients i keep getting
11:06<ninja>Failed to fetch 0 Requested Range Not Satisfiable
11:06<ninja>why would this happen
11:06<ninja>removing /var/lib/apt/lists/
11:06<ninja>is not fixing it
11:08<andrew>my first check would be your sources.list
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11:10<ninja>sources.list is all internal
11:10<ninja>sources
11:11<nullbytes>Has anyone here figured out how to get around the issues with URxvt transparency?
11:11<ninja>i keep getting Bad header line errors as well
11:11<ninja>But its intermediate
11:12<nullbytes>ninja: In what?
11:12<ninja>in apt-get update
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11:12<ninja>Err http://10.48.0.4 utopic/universe Translation-en
11:12<ninja> Bad header line
11:13<ninja>and sometimes it gets struck while fetching it
11:13<ninja>Get:1 http://10.48.0.4 utopic/main amd64 Packages [1331 kB]
11:13<ninja>100% [Waiting for headers]
11:14<nullbytes>huh... have you done any tomfoolery with the sources?
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11:15<andrew>ninja, nullbytes has the same idea i do. try messing with sources.list a little. maybe change mirrors and see what happens.
11:15<ninja>they are standard ubuntu sources.list
11:15<ninja>just that hostname is pointing to internal apt-mirror
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11:17<nullbytes>This may just be sillyness here but run apt-get clean
11:17<andrew>he left
11:18<nullbytes>still has anyone figured out URxvt ttansperency?
11:18<andrew>was gonna point him in the direction of a sources.list generator to make it simple
11:18<nullbytes>andrew: yea, its saved my ass before.
11:19<andrew>nullbytes: same here, especially in my noobish days lol.
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11:23<nullbytes>andrew: what WM/DE do you use?
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11:25<andrew>nullbytes: Gnome right now. I run it in a vm, a laptop at home, and a second HDD at work (dual booting w/Win7)
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11:26<andrew>nullbytes: tried KDE 5 for a sec, but didn't really care for it.
11:27<andrew>nullbytes: I change my mind everytime i see something 'shiny' tho. Typical IT, i guess
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11:28<luna>back lol.
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11:33<andrew>nullbytes: what do you run?
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11:39<nullbytes>I am using a fork of i3 called i3-gaps for my laptop and for my desktop I am currently using cinnimon, but am undicided for a good DE to use.
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11:40<andrew>that's the problem i have. they all have qualities worth checking out. Gnome and i get along, just because i'm used to superkey+first 3-4 letters+enter to run anything
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11:42<nullbytes>True that. I love the config file for i3 but I want to mouse windows around sometimes. I just got off of a arch binge where I was using evilwm and ratpoison.
11:43<nullbytes>I thought I could rice like the guys over at /r/unixporn
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11:45<andrew>arch and i have a history. i thought i loved it, but it turns out i was just bored and needed something to do lol. moved to Debian - stable, and found my productivity went up a lot because i wasn't constantly tweaking/updating things haha
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11:46<nullbytes>Exactly, I work in a security position so I was running arch with the archassault repo tac'd on. I thought it was better but then I reaized I was doing nothing but tweaks that I would never sanely use.
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11:47<andrew>yep. went minimal Debian, and suddenly I have so much time on my hands i picked up an mmorpg haha
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11:48<mrmyers>I've got a bug, and I'm not quite sure where to file it. Someone mentioned it might be a kernel bug, but I'd like a second opinion before potentially misfiling and looking like an idiot.
11:48<nullbytes>lol, I hear there are some versions of quake that have been compiled for linux. Might be worth looking into. mrmyers, what is the issue?
11:49<mrmyers>Fonts in fbterm look like this - http://imagebin.ca/v/29ISZGqinGX1
11:50<valdyn>mrmyers: use a bitmap font
11:51<mrmyers>That same someone mentioned it was probably a graphics thing rather than a fbterm thing.
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11:52<valdyn>mrmyers: why fbterm? cant be speed b/c X is faster. So you are *that* restricted on memory
11:52<nullbytes>Huh, I agree with valdyn. Bitmap, in my experiance, seems to play better with others. I'd actually adress that with the fbterm maintainers.
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11:53<andrew>nullbytes: man, Quake2...i may have to check that out. I made the mistake of getting ESO when it went on sale and now that is draining my life lol
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11:54<valdyn>mrmyers: font rendering is complex when you dont use bitmap fonts
11:55<valdyn>mrmyers: appearantly you have neither hiting nor antialiasing enabled. I dont know how that is done for fbterm. For X its done "dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config" or somesuch
11:55<valdyn>s/hiting/hinting/
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11:55<nullbytes>andrew: I was all about wow for a while untill I got into linux, so I suppose it was good that arch took so much time. Now I waste time on a modded fallout 3. I'm one of those people who can't feel like something is mine without tinkering with it.
11:56<mrmyers>valdyn: No, this is on an i7 with 8GB. I mostly use fbterm when I want to avoid distractions.
11:56<valdyn>mrmyers: fonts look like shit by default unless your screen has extremely high dpi unless you have suitable aa and hinting enabled.
11:57<mrmyers>valdyn: How would I enable those things?
11:57<valdyn>mrmyers: scroll up, i already talked about that..
11:57<mrmyers>valdyn: Ah. Sorry.
11:57<nullbytes>xrander -dpi XX works.
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11:57<nullbytes>I had that in my xinitrc file for a while.
11:58<valdyn>breaking dpi wont fix font rendering
11:58<andrew>nullbytes: same here. mod it til you break it. i was just about to get into fallout again when ESO went on sale.
11:59<nullbytes>I guess that's for later when we bring him over to the wonderful world of bitmap.
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11:59<valdyn>mrmyers: bitmap fonts always look fine on low dpi screens. However theres only a very limited choice of them available
11:59<mrmyers>So, which fonts are bitmap?
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12:00<valdyn>mrmyers: terminus is
12:00<valdyn>!terminus
12:00<valdyn>heh
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12:01<valdyn>xfonts-terminus - Fixed-width fonts for fast reading
12:01<nullbytes>andrew: What do you do for a living? also have you played the any of the ARMA or MilSim games? I hear they are pretty great. mrmyers if you are debian (I dont know if ubuntu has it) execute cat /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/fonts.alias
12:01<mrmyers>I'm not sure if this is low dpi or not. I think it's 125dpi?
12:02<nullbytes>that'll show you the fonts you have on your system.
12:02<valdyn>mrmyers: everything is low dpi almost
12:02<valdyn>mrmyers: except for mobile phones
12:02<nullbytes>I'm about to link a image of my font if you like it I can show you how to install it.
12:03<andrew>nullbytes: IT, and i kinda took over the we design after our graphic designer got fired. ARMA 3 made me rage quit in the worst way. still have a save where im wounded, and the only guy with a med pack if far away and wont stop running.
12:03<valdyn>mrmyers: point being that about any display you can buy has a dpi low enough to benefit from hinting and aa
12:04<nullbytes>mrmyers: https://i.imgur.com/Tsf9ixv.png
12:04<mrmyers>valdyn: Ah. Thanks, I'll look up how to enable it for fbterm.
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12:05<nullbytes>Cool, andrew, do you use pgp for email?
12:05<mrmyers>nullbytes: That does look nice. Is that straight from the xfonts-terminus package?
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12:06<valdyn>mrmyers: you ought to try "dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config" anyway
12:06<nullbytes>I actually am using URxterm it's pretty easy to set up. But follow valdyn's advice above mine.
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12:07<valdyn>(personally i would solve this whole mess by just using X, and I do)
12:07<mrmyers>valdyn: Native?
12:08<valdyn>mrmyers: native what?
12:08<mrmyers>valdyn: configuration option for fontconfig-config?
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12:09<valdyn>mrmyers: try and see, neither is better
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12:09<andrew>nullbytes: no. actually had to look that one up. i never considered it before, but my primary email account is just for email validation for other accounts lol
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12:13<nullbytes>Oh, I'd recomend getting a second one for the linux community. I have an account just for mailinglists and talking to linux people.
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12:14<andrew>I really should do that. I've been meaning to be more active in the community, which is what led me to this. oh, the years of solitude...haha
12:16<nullbytes>lol, interestingly a recluse got me into IRC.
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12:20<mrmyers>fontconfig-config didn't really change anything. Switching to Terminus works well enough though :-)
12:21<mrmyers>Thanks valdyn & nullbytes
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12:23<mrmyers>nullbytes: Are there any other bitmap fonts you'd recommend?
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12:43<yaclm>Hello! Are there any disadvantages of setting standard application for .sh files to bash?
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12:47<retrospectacus>Are there any advantages?
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12:48<marcelofb>hello, i am having some trouble setting my keyboard model and layout permanently, i always have to use setxkbmap after a reboot
12:48<nullbytes>yaclm: lack of comaptibility with versions of linux that don't come with bash? mrmyers, yes I would recomend looking into fonts yourself though, because this is the first time I got all my system fonts to work right, so I am fairly inexpearinced with fonts.
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12:49<nullbytes>Are you using stock debian marcelofb ?
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12:50<marcelofb>yes, stock
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12:51<nullbytes>cause you can add it to one of the auto run files on the system. I would recomend writing the command to the end of /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc
12:51<marcelofb>i have tried setting /etc/default/keyboard with the same settings, but it just seem to be ignored by the system when booting
12:52<marcelofb>i've tried writing to the end of /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh, i will try xinitrc!
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12:53<nullbytes>Sorry if that is a bit ghetto of a solution but since you boot to gui x will always run. That still leaves the issue of not having it before xinitrc is run.
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12:54<abbe>Hi
12:54<nullbytes>Are you using a devorak keyboard?
12:54<nullbytes>abbe: Hi
12:54<mrmyers>valdyn: Ah. Specifying the font as "DejaVu Sans Mono:antialias=true" fixed it as well. Thanks
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12:54<abbe>Hi \0bytes
12:54<marcelofb>qwerty, br, abnt2
12:55<nullbytes>0x00 is how i sign.
12:55<abbe>:D
12:55<abbe>well, i'm not you, so i can't sign as you :P
12:55<abbe>anyways, I wonder if anyone here has tried to install Debian Jessie over network with apt-cacher repository as installation source ?
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12:55<nullbytes>I was thinking about being a dumb and pxe booting from a VPS.
12:56<appas>hey, i've set up ssh-agent, and i see /usr/bin/ssh-agent /usr/bin/ck-launch-session /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session x-session-manager in the process list, but terminator still asks me for passphrases to my to all my ssh sessions, even though i've given it previously
12:56<nullbytes>So I don't think installing over a network would be to hard.
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12:56<abbe>it used to work fine for Lenny..Wheezy, but Debian Jessie, it seems pretty broken
12:57<abbe>if I use ftp.debian.org as mirror, instead of local apt-cacher repo, it works fine.
12:57<nullbytes>bug report?
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12:57<marcelofb>nullbytes, thanks for your help, i'll reboot and be right back! =]
12:57<nullbytes>Cool,
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12:58<abbe>sure, before I figure out it's not my apt-cacher setup that's bad, so just checking for now, if anyone has encountered any such issue :)
12:58<abbe>s/before/after/
12:59<nullbytes>I dig the speaking in sed. That was cool
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13:00<at0m|c>abbe: you'd add Acquire::http::Proxy "http://url:3142"; to /etc/apt/apt.conf or .d/acng.conf file and leave your sources.lists's untouched
13:01<abbe>at0m|c: why? i never needed to do that with lenny..wheezy
13:01<abbe>unless there is something changed in jessie's debian-installer
13:01<nullbytes>I just put a copy of sed and awk by O'(whatever) on my kindle. abbe, what do you do for a living?
13:02<at0m|c>abbe: acng (i assume apt-cacher, too) works as caching http server
13:02<at0m|c>*proxy
13:02<at0m|c>so apt transparently connects as if through proxy
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13:03<abbe>at0m|c: i know. i didn't try apt-cacher-ng, and apt-cacher has worked fine so far without using it as http proxy, so I'm not inclined to make changes, I couldn't reason
13:03<abbe>nullbytes: sysadmin
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13:04<marcelofb>NN
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13:05<marcelofb>nullbytes, ive pasted my xinitrc file content, it didn't work
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13:12<nullbytes>abbe: you deal with enterprise linux stuff?
13:13<abbe>nop, no enterprise, small organizations
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13:14<pabs>with find, how do I find dirs that don't have dirs in them called .git or .svn?
13:16<mtn>pabs, command line or gui?
13:17<pabs>command-line
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13:17<mtn>ls -la
13:17<pabs>I mean recursively, with GNU find
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13:17<mtn>pabs, might have said so ;)
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13:18<pabs>I said, "with find" :)
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13:19<mtn>pabs, ok, I just didn't understand what you were looking for.
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13:32<pabs>ah, sorry
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13:43<retrospectacus>pabs: not using find, but I would probably just do something like: find . -type d | grep -v '\.[svn|git]'
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13:45<pabs>that will still find dirs containing .svn or .git dirs?
13:45<blast007>wouldn't that still find the directory that contains the .svn and .git directory and just not the actual .svn or .git itself? plus, with git, only the root of the repository has the .git directory. I'm assuming this is to find stuff that isn't under version control.
13:45<pabs>anyway, I wrote some python code to do this instead
13:45<pabs>http://paste.debian.net/284209/
13:46<retrospectacus>oh yeah
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13:47<retrospectacus>then umm, find . -type d | while read d ; do [ -d "$d/.git" -o -d "$d/.svn" ] || echo "$d" ; done
13:47<retrospectacus>followed by the |grep ...
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13:48<rhostat>pabs: Curious, do you know what the performance difference is?
13:48<pabs>will that prune the subdirs of the dirs that contain .git ?
13:48<retrospectacus>you could use find -exec but it is more of a pain IMO
13:48<retrospectacus>pabs: with the |grep it would
13:48<retrospectacus>find . -type d | while read d ; do [ -d "$d/.git" -o -d "$d/.svn" ] || echo "$d" ; done | grep -v '\.[svn|git]'
13:49<blast007>retrospectacus: the subdirs in question are not within .git, they are next to it
13:49<pabs>indeed
13:49<pabs>hmm, now I need to figure out how to prune dirs that only have (recursively) subdirs that contain git/svn repos
13:49<retrospectacus>dang
13:50<pabs>I have a dev folder and I want to find out which subdirs of it should have git/svn repos but don't yet
13:51<retrospectacus>for d in * ; do [ -d "$d/.git" -o -d "$d/.svn" ] || echo "$d" ; done
13:51<retrospectacus>non-recurseive
13:51<rhostat>command | grep > hybrid > command...etc.
13:52<retrospectacus>for d in */ ; do [ -d "$d/.git" -o -d "$d/.svn" ] || echo "$d" ; done
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13:53<rhostat>There
13:53<rhostat>There's a Greek name for that type of thing.
13:54<rhostat>Performs very well.
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14:15<grummund>Hi, 'aptitude show coreutils' says 'Version: 8.23-4', but the latest at ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/coreutils/ is 8.0. how to explain this?
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14:20<blast007>grummund: because you're looking at test source releases, not their stable source releases at: http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/coreutils/
14:21<grummund>blast007: ah i see thanks
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14:22<andrew>www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/coreutils.html has it listed through 8.24. its just a discrepancy in the version listing
14:23*grummund looking at sources for the shred command
14:24<peter1138>hmm, is i3 default config on jessie... wrong? i get lots of $mod+(null) entries instead of what it should be
14:24<grummund>seems it doesn't actually do a verify of what is written
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14:24<andrew>seems that way
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14:41<Darkhunter>Hello guys...Is there any way how to debug, why my debian doesnt start? There is almost nothing in dmesg
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14:43<andrew>sure there is. what is it doing? lets start there
14:44<Darkhunter>I dont know
14:45<Darkhunter>Its virtual server, where I dont have access to VNC. :/
14:45<Darkhunter>I only have access to rescue mode, where I chroot to that linux.
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14:45<Darkhunter>I just upgraded from wheezy to jessie.
14:45<Darkhunter>And then rebooted and now it doesnt launch.
14:46<Darkhunter>Last things in dmesg: [ 0.000000] EXT4-fs (sda1): re-mounted. Opts: errors=remount-ro[ 0.000000] EXT4-fs (sda2): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null)
14:49<andrew>you can run commands, correct?
14:50<andrew>it sounds like something didnt mount/remount after the upgrade (please correct me if im wrong on this anyone)
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14:53<Darkhunter>andrew: I dont know. There is not anything bad in logs. I can run commands.
14:56<andrew>fsck. that would be my first go-to. i dont use virtual servers, so if anyone has more experience with this then by all means take over.
14:57<blast007>Darkhunter: any idea what virtualization platform your host uses? Is it OpenVZ?
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15:00<Darkhunter>andrew: Fsck no errors
15:00<Darkhunter>blast007: Can I find it somewhere? Its in OVH.
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15:08<andrew>Darkhunter: if nothings broken, then (at least with my server, which i have access to and runs CentOS) I would assume the primary drive mounted itself as read-only.
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15:10<Darkhunter>andrew: Yea, its possible. So whats the solution?
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15:19<andrew>mount -o remount / or start going through http://wiki.debian.org/fstab for a solution. like i said, man, virtual servers arent really my thing so im not really an authority on this one
15:19<andrew>but i would start there
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15:46<wave>I'm using debian jessie, how can I install package from strecth repository?
15:46<jhutchins>wave: upgrade to stretch, install package.
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15:46<jhutchins>wave: We strongly recommend against mixing releases. It will often result in a system that can't install or upgrade packages at all.
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15:47<jhutchins>wave: You can check for a backport, or backport the package from unstable yourself.
15:47<jhutchins>!backports
15:47<dpkg>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
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15:47<wave>because blueman debian package seems to be broken
15:47<jhutchins>wave: What package are you looking for?
15:48<wave>but it is fixed in stretch
15:48<jhutchins>,v blueman
15:48<judd>Package: blueman on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.21-4.1; wheezy: 1.23-1; wheezy-backports: 1.23-git201312311147-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.99~alpha1-1; sid: 2.0-1; stretch: 2.0-1
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15:49<jhutchins>wave: If it's actually broken in jessie, it should be patched/updated fairly soon. Are there bugreports?
15:49<jhutchins>wave: You can add a message that the bug is fixed in the stretch version.
15:50<wave>I found some post earlier where they blamed that the 2.0.1 alpha should be the fixed version
15:50<wave>wait I try to lookt it up again
15:50<wave>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=757633
15:50<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/757633 in blueman (closed, upstream, fixed-upstream): «blueman: OBEX OPP profile broken on host, can't receive files»; severity: important; opened: 2014-08-10; last modified: 2015-06-24.
15:51<wave>"We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of
15:51<wave>blueman, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive."
15:51<wave>ups, sorry about the paste
15:51<Jan\>installed lxde debian on an old laptop, there is no sound comming out of speakers I think
15:51<jhutchins>!alsa checklist
15:51<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
15:52<jhutchins>wave: So it should be available soon, just waiting for the automated build process.
15:52<andrew>ok, that's neat
15:52<wave>okey, maybe I can then live with it then until it is updated to jessie
15:54<jhutchins>!bootlog
15:54<dpkg>bootlogd is used to record boot messages to /var/log/boot. For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later releases, install the bootlogd package to enable. In Debian 6.0 "Squeeze", bootlogd is provided by the sysvinit-utils package; set BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=Yes in /etc/default/bootlogd to enable.
15:54<jhutchins>... should Darkhunter return.
15:55<andrew>haha now where were you and this black magic when i was trying to blind troubleshoot with Darkhunter?
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16:00<jhutchins>andrew: Working in Real Life.
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16:01<andrew>jhutchins: same here, except online marketing took off early and sysadmin is on vacation lol
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16:13<Jan\>dpkg: can I add myself to audio group with the "user management" UI ?
16:13<dpkg>no idea, Jan\
16:13<Jan\>dpkg: so how do I do that ?
16:13<dpkg>Jan\: bugger all, i dunno
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16:56<jhutchins>Jan\: usermod -a -G audio user
16:57<Jan\>jhutchins: ty
16:57<jhutchins>Jan\: I believe adduser -g audio may work as well, but check the man page. I know usermod works.
16:57<jhutchins>Jan\: You will need to log out and log back in.
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16:57<jhutchins>Jan\: You can also use the groups command to see what groups you are already in.
16:57<Jan\>jhutchins: whats the group cmd?
16:58<jhutchins>Jan\: You will need to run the usermod command as root.
16:58<jhutchins>Jan\: groups displays the current user's groups.
16:58<Jan\>jhutchins: I mean the cmd itself
16:59<jhutchins>Jan\: There is no command by that name.
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17:45<kenyon>Jan\: "adduser jan audio" works too
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17:56<jhutchins>kenyon: Thanks for the syntax correction.
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19:17<transhuman_>hi I i would like to do a make install after compiling source but I would like to to build the install tree in a sub directory so I can see what exactly was built without having to search all over the place for the files
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19:17<transhuman_>how would i do this?
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19:21<retrospectacus>usually you can specify a "prefix" option for your make and/or make install, but it depends on the project
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19:23<transhuman_>ok thanks
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19:29<midnite-wider>On a certain users account, "use power management" won't stay checkmarked in screensaver set-up screen. Incorrect user priveledges maybe??
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19:30<midnite-wider>actually, it's "power management enabled"
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19:45<midnite-wider>seacrest, out.
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19:50<kuru>I am going to set up a mail server and I was wondering what firewall I should use. iptables, gufw, or fwbuilder?
19:51<kuru>I was only wondering what rules to invoke
19:51<mtn>kuru, iptables is the firewall and gufw and fwbuilder are frontends to help you configure it
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19:52<kuru>Oh okay. I didn't know that thank you mtn.
19:53<mtn>kuru, welcome. I can't help you with rules, though
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19:54<kuru>That is okay mtn. Should I keep the basic rules allowing all traffic?
19:54<mtn>kuru, sorry, don't know
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19:54<kuru>It is all good mtn.
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20:01<kuru>mtn what would a good frontend to use?
20:02<kenyon>!tell transhuman_ about stow
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20:27<marcelofb>hello, i am having some trouble setting my keyboard model and layout permanently, i always have to use setxkbmap after a reboot
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20:31<dvs>marcelofb: I don't know about systemd, but in the old setup you might be able to use /etc/init.d/rc.local
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21:10<Guest864>I think I'm having problems with my Xorg and need some help. I am currently running sid but the problems were in stable as well. For some reason, CPU usage seems to leak randomly. here is a screenshot of my htop output: https://i.imgur.com/SvTQ3e4.png I have iceweasel, teamspeak, skype, steam, and deluge open and I believe my computer should be able to handle all of that. Could anyone point me in the righ
21:10<Guest864>t direction as to what could be going wrong in my system and how to fix it?
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21:18<kuru>I am setting up Postfix and am stuck at the section where I type postconf -e "myorigin = example.com"
21:23<kuru>Also it says that /var/log/mail.warn doesn't exist
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21:31<zikada>I need some good infosec articles if anyone has any
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21:35<kuru>Is there anyway after choosing the Internet option for Postfix to change it to Local
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21:39<kuru>It saying postfix isn't a command
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21:43<transhuman_>thanks kenyon
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22:14<kuru>If I download and install Debian complete CD/DVD do I need to get the update disk
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22:15<dvs>kuru: No, a working internet connection will take care of that.
22:16<kuru>So all the update disk is is to help you update the system offline
22:16<dvs>es
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22:16<dvs>yes
22:17<kuru>Alright, Thank you dva
22:17<kuru>dvs
22:17<kuru>Sorry wrong button
22:17<dvs>np
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