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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-07-26

---Logopened Sun Jul 26 00:00:24 2015
00:00<kermit99>it's the new cloudbook
00:00<kermit99>c910
00:00<kermit99>er, chromebook
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00:01<saltthefries>aha, I know there are some complications with chromebook touchpad inputs
00:02<saltthefries>are you running jessie?
00:02<kermit99>yep
00:02<kermit99>it worked with ubuntu
00:02<saltthefries>yeah, you might need a newer kernel or some patches.. not 100% on that, but that's the direction I'd go
00:03<saltthefries>what version of ubuntu?
00:03<kermit99>so just update it then?
00:03<saltthefries>definitely update to the latest packages in jessie as a start
00:04<saltthefries>but you might need to pull a kernel from testing or something
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00:04<saltthefries>I know there were some patches made in 3.17 for chromebooks (3.16 is the normal kernel in jessie)
00:04<kermit99>sounds fun
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00:05<saltthefries>not too bad... the version of ubuntu you ran will let me see what kernel version you were running
00:08<kermit99>okay, rebooting for update. It was, um, the latest version? nothing testing
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00:09<saltthefries>ok, see you shortly kermit
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00:10<ptahx>ok to front newbie questions here?
00:11<ptahx>how can I make python 3.4 the default instead of 2 -- y scripts don't seem to work
00:12<ptahx>I'm really new to linux
00:12<saltthefries>have you just tried starting the script with #!/usr/bin/python3 ?
00:13<ptahx>drop py file there and run you mean?
00:13<saltthefries>no, it should be the first line of the .py file
00:13<ptahx>ahh that will do it -- thank you !!
00:13<saltthefries>no problem :)
00:14<kermit99_>okay, so I have toupdate my kernel.
00:14<kermit99_>I'm up to date with jessie
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00:17<saltthefries>yeah, I took a look at ubuntu's trusty repo, and it looks like they have 3.19 as the latest kernel there
00:18<saltthefries>so, you could pull a kernel from testing with aptitude install linux-image-amd64/testing if you have the testing repos listed in /etc/apt/sources.list
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00:19<saltthefries>that will get you on 4.0, which might be the best bet for such new hardware
00:20<saltthefries>and you'll still have the old kernel listed in grub, so you can choose it if 4.0 doesn't work out
00:21<saltthefries>if you don't have the testing repos in /etc/apt/sources.list, you'll need to add them, *and* set up /etc/apt/preferences
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00:21<saltthefries>so apt does not try and pull everything from testing
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00:23<saltthefries>let me know if you need tips on getting apt set up, kermit99
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00:23<kermit99>I think I can handle that much, it'll take me a moment though
00:23<saltthefries>ok, cool
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00:46<mathi>.
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00:50<kermit99_>I have the latest kernel, but its' still not working
00:51<kermit99_>uname -r 4.0.0-2-amd64
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00:52<saltthefries>hmm... does anything else show in lsusb?
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00:53<kermit99_>not really
00:54<kermit99_>http://pastebin.com/FsmXm2dg
00:57<saltthefries>yeah, no change
00:57<saltthefries>ubuntu might be patching their kernels to support the chromebooks more
00:59<saltthefries>you might need to seek out a patch / module to build
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01:01<saltthefries>sorry--maybe someone else on here has worked with the c910?
01:02<saltthefries>I'm not sure how bad an idea installing a kernel from ubuntu would be
01:06<kermit99_>sounds like dwarf fortress fun
01:06<kermit99_>no problem, this isn't my primary laptop
01:06<piper>debian and ubuntu are not binary compatible
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01:07<piper>take this to the ubuntu channel
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01:09<saltthefries>yeah, then you probably need to chase down the patch they made
01:09<saltthefries>waiting a little while sometimes helps too
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01:10<saltthefries>keep an eye on kernel development around it...
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01:21<kermit99>sorry, I got booted off the webclient for some reason and missed everything
01:22<kermit99>last thing i saw was that debian and ubuntu aren't binary compatible.
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01:25<peter1138>they have different library versions and dependencies
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01:29<peter1138>oh, kernel
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01:31<pabs>anyone know if it is possible to mount an ext4 filesystem using FUSE?
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01:36<marcelofb>hello
01:37<marcelofb>anyone here knows a little bit about conkey?
01:37<HawkEye>Not really.... but if you're newer to it than me.. Maybe...
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01:40<marcelofb>just wanted someone to take a look at my script
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01:41<marcelofb>ill post a screenshot
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01:41<HawkEye^25>Aaaand that's over my head. I'm really new but I was really hoping you were even newer..
01:41<HawkEye^25>0.0
01:44<marcelofb>no, theres nothing to do with conky acctualy
01:44<marcelofb>its just to tell me if you like it
01:44<marcelofb>or if it's too flashy
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01:44<Ir0nsh007er>marcelofb: conky
01:44<HawkEye^25>Oh ok.. To each is own but I'll check it out!
01:44<marcelofb>http://postimg.org/image/41bnip6xz/
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01:46<HawkEye^25>Personally I would make it more transparent. It seems pretty distracting. The overall layout I'm a fan of though.
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01:47<marcelofb>yeah, i am changing the wallpaper
01:47<marcelofb>with lighter colors[
01:48<marcelofb>spent the day learning how to code with conky =P
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01:48<marcelofb>thanks for taking a look [[[[[[=
01:49<marcelofb>this collor is official RGB for the debian logo
01:49<marcelofb>but its kinda
01:49<marcelofb>i dont know the word =p
01:50<marcelofb>monotonous
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01:52<HawkEye^25>Honestly thought, I'm brand new to all of this so I may be wrong.. From a newbies opinion that's what I see.
01:52<HawkEye^25>Here's how I've set mine up so far.
01:53<HawkEye^25>http://imgur.com/ZjJ8Zq1
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01:53<kermit99>okay, thankyou saltthefries and everyone
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03:07<Stoneer>hello
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03:09<bytor>hello
03:12<Stoneer>sorry, I'm a beginner
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03:13<xavier>hea , me too
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03:15<Stoneer>faccio una prova per capire come funziona !!
03:15<Stoneer>I do a test to see how it works !!
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03:16<xavier>cool
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03:18<Stoneer>thanks for understanding, xavier
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03:19<Stoneer>hello to all
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05:13<EmleyMoor>Any easy way I can detect what's changing the ownership of /run/user/1000/pulse?
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05:28*EmleyMoor strongly suspects something in gnome - or at a lower level still...
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05:32<anon>hey guys, can someone help me writing .img file into usb?
05:32<anon>what i find in google, doesn't help me
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05:35<EmleyMoor>anon: Usually very easy... insert stick, unmount it if it mounts, use dmesg to determine its device name (ignore partition number) and dd if=imagefile of=/dev/sdX (where X is appropriate letter) is usually all you need to do.
05:36<EmleyMoor>It's only if you want to do something more complicated it's any different, and then you're probably on your own.
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05:40<anon>EmleyMoor, it doesn't work >.>
05:41<anon>EmleyMoor, what should i do :/
05:41<EmleyMoor>How doesn't it work?
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05:42<EmleyMoor>("doesn't work" is a fairly useless statement... say what it *does* do)
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05:43<anon>EmleyMoor, how can i look up what name my usb has
05:43<anon>like that /dev/XXX thing, i forgot
05:44<EmleyMoor>In dmesg, it should show you events when you plug it in.
05:44<EmleyMoor>(just run dmesg just after plugging it in)
05:45<anon>EmleyMoor, this is way too complicated >.>
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05:45<EmleyMoor>anon: It's not complicated. If you're having trouble with any particular part, state your trouble...
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05:46<anon>EmleyMoor, i can't distinguish which is my usb stick, there are like 200000 lines overhere, idk which one is which
05:46*debbian breaks out the slapping rod and looks sternly at DonVitoCorleone
05:46<anon>EmleyMoor, there was a simplier command which shows all my partitions, i forgot it
05:46<EmleyMoor>Look at like the last 10 or so lines immediately after plugging it in
05:46<EmleyMoor>dmesg | tail if you like.
05:47<anon>oot@anon:/home/anon# dmesg | tail
05:47<anon>[ 62.225774] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdc] 30511104 512-byte logical blocks: (15.6 GB/14.5 GiB)
05:47<anon>[ 62.227962] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdc] Write Protect is off
05:47<anon>[ 62.227976] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdc] Mode Sense: 23 00 00 00
05:47<anon>[ 62.230108] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdc] No Caching mode page found
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05:47<EmleyMoor>I said "look at"...
05:47<EmleyMoor>Anyway, it's /dev/sdc in this case
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05:48<debbian>!ssb
05:48<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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05:49<debbian>dpkg: package recompile
05:49<dpkg>1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>.
05:49<EmleyMoor>debbian: /msg the bot
05:50<debbian>got it, sorry :)
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06:13<ColombianAustralian>hi there
06:13<ColombianAustralian>Is anyone on line
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06:15<musca>welcome ColombianAustralian, 680 users are waiting for your debian linux related support questions.
06:17<ColombianAustralian>thanks.. I am trying to install Adobe Flash in Chromium? Has anyone done it before?
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06:18<musca>ColombianAustralian: Chromium features the pepper API
06:18<ColombianAustralian>ok...mmm Does it mean that it is a plug in?
06:19<musca>google delivers a flash plugin for that api together with chrome
06:19<musca>there is a script that takes the plugin frome chrome and enables it in chromium
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06:19<ColombianAustralian>ok, where is it?
06:20<musca>!pepperflash
06:20<dpkg>Pepper Flash Player is a proprietary <flash> plugin included with the Google Chrome web browser. The pepperflashplugin-nonfree Debian package can be used to install this plugin for the <Chromium> browser, ask me about <contrib>. https://wiki.debian.org/PepperFlashPlayer
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06:24<musca>ColombianAustralian: Life without flash has become a reality for me since december 2013
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06:25<ColombianAustralian>ok I can definitely give it a go...
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06:30<ColombianAustralian>ok I got the following error when I execute "aptitude -t wheezy-backports install pepperflashplugin-nonfree" Error - "E: The value 'wheezy-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources
06:30<ColombianAustralian>"
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06:32<musca>ColombianAustralian: you are using debian wheezy?
06:32<ColombianAustralian>yep
06:33<musca>,v pepperflashplugin-nonfree --release wheezy-backports
06:33<judd>Package: pepperflashplugin-nonfree on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/contrib: 1.4~bpo60+1
06:34<musca>okay, at least the package exists.
06:34<ColombianAustralian>mm so What I am doing wrong?
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06:35<musca>you need to add a correct "deb" line for wheezy-backports in your sources
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06:36<musca>!bdo
06:36<dpkg>backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>.
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06:38<ColombianAustralian>ok let me have a look..
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06:39<musca>ColombianAustralian: A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports main contrib».
06:40<ColombianAustralian>oh ok, that is different from the one on the backports.debian.org/Instructions....
06:41<musca>ColombianAustralian: i took this info from the <wheezy backports> factoid
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06:41<musca>/msg dpkg wheezy backports
06:45<ColombianAustralian>mmm still getting same error
06:45<ColombianAustralian>E: The value 'wheezy-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources
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06:45<ColombianAustralian>so I have added following line on sources.list "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports main contrib"
06:46<ColombianAustralian>and then execute .. "aptitude -t wheezy-backports install pepperflashplugin-nonfree"
06:46<musca>did you do an "aptitude update"?
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06:47<ColombianAustralian>at the beginning?
06:47<ColombianAustralian>nop
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07:02<ColombianAustralian>great it is working...:-)
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10:20<lmderadmin>Hello! I'm trying to make my own edition of the LMDE (basicly debian child distro). What software package can you recomend me? I was trying to work with remastersys but the site and links are down, and the only one left is for ubuntu.
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10:33<Brigo>lmderadmin, junior-*
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10:34<Brigo>lmderadmin, http://blends.debian.org/junior/tasks/
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10:36<lmderadmin>Brigo ?
10:36<Brigo>lmderadmin, that is not what you was asking for?
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10:44<lmderadmin>Brigo no. i need soft for building my own distro (from curent installed system)
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10:45<Daniel>oi
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10:45<Brigo>lmderadmin, bootcd ?
10:46<Guest1473>add skype. danielpereira596
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10:50<lmderadmin>Brigo yeah. i need to make an iso image files with my current system state, with LiveCD/USB mode + install on HDD
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10:51<Brigo>lmderadmin, bootcd is a package for doing exactly that, or at least, it is what it claims :)
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10:52<gabri>hi
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11:20<lmderadmin>Brigo ok, thanks. i'll read about it
11:20<Brigo>lmderadmin, good luck :)
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11:25<lmderadmin>Brigo my gtatitude!)
11:25<lmderadmin>gratitude*
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11:25<Brigo>lmderadmin, you are welcome :)
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11:48<nathan>hello
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11:49<nathan>ientify
11:49<nathan>identify
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12:06<danielsh>suggested change to the debian-specific parts of the 'vim' package: http://sprunge.us/QXeb
12:07<danielsh>it's for the case of using the ":gui" command from a console vim.
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12:10<HawkEye^25>Hey everyone, anyone willing to help out a newbie with partitioning and little space left on var?
12:10<ixi>!ask
12:10<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
12:12<HawkEye^25>I have a problem with too small of a partition. I'm running the latest stable version of Debian Jessie. When I try to get-apt clean and aptitude clean it frees up little to no space. (I can access root and I do have sudo) I expected it to clear the log or something at least.
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12:13<danielsh>'apt-get clean' clears /var/cache/apt only; it doesn't clean system logs
12:14<HawkEye^25>Alright, is there anyway to clean system logs? I've got a few gb worth of it.
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12:14<HawkEye^25>I'm sorry, these are probably simple questions to google but I've had Debian for about a week and I've been googling left and right trying to figure everything out. I'm wanting to have at least one thing quickly answered. =P
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12:15<HawkEye^25>Can I use gparted to increase my partitions?
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12:19<HawkEye^25>I guess I'll try logrotate?
12:20<Brigo>HawkEye^25, logs are just test files, you can go /var/log and del older and bigger ones.
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12:20<Brigo>HawkEye^25, but anyway you will need more space in that partition. What filesystem are you using?
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12:24<HawkEye^25>Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
12:24<HawkEye^25>/dev/dm-1 8.2G 3.8G 4.0G 49% /
12:24<HawkEye^25>udev 10M 0 10M 0% /dev
12:24<HawkEye^25>tmpfs 794M 9.1M 785M 2% /run
12:24<HawkEye^25>tmpfs 2.0G 216K 2.0G 1% /dev/shm
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12:29<Brigo>HawkEye^25, don't send private messages without asking and don't send files either. Paste them in paste.debian.net, please :)
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12:30<Brigo>HawkEye^25, you are using lvm, so it will be easy to resize filesystem.
12:30<Brigo>HawkEye^25, have you any free space in that disk?
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12:33<Brigo>HawkEye^25, you needed to wait when you were kicked the first time :)
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13:12<geozap>hello all from NYC
13:12<geozap>looking for some help
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13:13<danielsh>what with?
13:13<geozap>hello danielsh
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13:14<geozap>I'm a noob with Linux... just installed Debian 8 on a MacBook Pro dual boot
13:15<geozap>wi finally got wifi working after installing and trying a few tutorials
13:15<geozap>finally installed the firmware-b43-installer package
13:16<geozap>that seemed to work but I can't connect to the Internet
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13:16<geozap>the NM scans and lists all the networks near
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13:17<danielsh>does it list the specific network you want to connect to?
13:17<geozap>connects to my network but when open a browser - no internet
13:17<geozap>yes it even says connected
13:18<danielsh>geozap, not sure where to start. you might want to pastebin the output of /sbin/ifconfig.
13:19<geozap>sure
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13:22<icelycaon>hello everybody. I'm installing debian 8.1 from netinstall expert mode. in the screen software selection I can choose the desktop environment. I want GNOME, that I think is actually the default desktop for debian. in the options there are "debian desktop environment" and "...GNOME". Should I select both of them, just GNOME or just " Debian desktop environment"? thanks!!
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13:24<musca>hello icelycaon
13:25<danielsh>icelycaon, gnome is the default, yes... I'm *guessing* the difference is whether you get debian branding (default desktop etc) by default.
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13:26<musca>in the past many users did ignore the concept of a "default" desktop
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13:26<geozapata>danielsh http://pastebin.com/NdVaiNHG
13:26<geozapata>did i do that right?
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13:27<geozapata>danielsh i was on my phone
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13:28<danielsh>geozapata, there's no entry there for the wireless card
13:28<danielsh>eth0 is a wired card
13:29<geozapata>the only way i get it working is by modprobe 43 after every reboot
13:29<danielsh>what's 43 ?
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13:30<geozapata>modprobe b43
13:30<geozapata>sorry about that
13:31<geozapata>once i type that the NM starts working, connects to my network
13:31<geozapata>but no Internet
13:33<danielsh>geozapata, not sure about that, sorry. as a workaround you could put that command in /etc/rc.local, though.
13:35<geozapata>is there a way to find out if i have conflicting drivers installed?
13:38<icelycaon>thank you musca and danielsh, but I'm yet confused. i don't think the difference is just about branding but i can't find any information.
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13:39<danielsh>icelycaon, you could always check the debian-installer source code to see what those options do under the hood...
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13:41<paxmark9>Hawk Eye^ if on systemd quick trick is via (sudo) journalctl --vacuum-size= see man journalctl
13:41<icelycaon>danielsh, i'm a average user, sorry but I have no idea how doing it.
13:42<danielsh>icelycaon, in that case hang around, maybe someone else knows the answer
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13:50<danielsh>icelycaon, I think http://sprunge.us/bBLf is what you're seeing... it says that "GNOME" is a supetset of "Debian desktop environment" that installs some more packages.
13:51<danielsh>[that's debian/control from tasksel]
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13:55<icelycaon>thank you danielsh!! so i should installato both of them to have a full GNOME desktop environment. i'm right?
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14:01<danielsh>icelycaon, install both of them... I think by the Recommends list (which includes the 'gnome' package which you need) gets installed.
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15:08<wcoliveira>thanks!
15:08<musca>yw wcoliveira
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15:46<brunopane>hello
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15:58<marcelofb>Hello debians
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16:26<rootByte>hello marcelfb
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17:10*babylon loves debian jessie
17:10<babylon>it s just art :D
17:11<babylon>thank you all for making such a nice operating system!
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17:22<wallzero>Greetings, not Debian related, but I am setting up a server and after the last shutdown the PSU wouldn't power back on for ~1 hour. It was not hot. Between that time, I used another ATX power supply and it's immediately turned on. It's a new power supply, would you think it's bad?
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17:25<h1gh>wallzero: sounds bad to me, or plugged in wrong
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17:30<wallzero>h1gh: Thanks. I unplugged/replugged a few times just to be certain, before it eventually turned back on. PC was on for 24 hours with no issues before I did a shutdown. Since it's a new PS, it will be an easy return. Just want to be certain it is no fault of my own.
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17:52<h1gh>wallzero: you could check voltages with a voltmeter to confirm your suspicions
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18:03<marcelofb>hey brodas
18:05<virtuallycreative>hello
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18:23<marcelofb>Vip3rousmango, how are you
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18:27<Vip3rousmango>good :)
18:27<marcelofb>=]
18:27<Vip3rousmango>used Debian to bring an old lappy back to life
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18:28<marcelofb>and now you're gonna stick with it?
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18:31<Vip3rousmango>oh yeah
18:31<Vip3rousmango>I've used so many others debian based for a few years i figured after so long, just stick with the master distro
18:33<marcelofb>that makes sense!
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18:33<Vip3rousmango>yup everything is much easier now
18:34<Vip3rousmango>ah,afk for a bit
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19:30<saltthefries>I'm having a little trouble trying to create a debian package from a git repo
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19:30<saltthefries>I've cloned the repo using gbp-clone
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19:31<saltthefries>and I've manually added the /debian directory
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19:31<saltthefries>but I'm not clear on what to do next
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19:33<thunderbird>Hi, here have got anyone brasilian?
19:33-!-adrian [~adrian@0001c392.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
19:33<thunderbird>I'm from Brasil
19:34<ixi>!br
19:34<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
19:34<marcelofb>thunderbird, yo
19:34<marcelofb>eu sou
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19:35<thunderbird>É pq é a primeira vez que uso
19:35<thunderbird>não tenho
19:35<thunderbird>familiaridade com esse chat
19:35<thunderbird>vlw
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20:33<jeanpierre>holi
20:33<jeanpierre>holiiii
20:33<jeanpierre>:P
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20:34<jeanpierre>we are legion
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20:36<marcelofb>where can I get sid sources.list?
20:36<marcelofb>repositories
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20:38<wsky>marcelofb: what are you trying to do?
20:38<marcelofb>I want to download phoronix-test-suite via apt-get
20:38<marcelofb>but it's only available for weezy and sid
20:39<wsky>read about pinning
20:39<marcelofb>its working now
20:39<marcelofb>just update sources.list
20:39<marcelofb>thanks =]
20:39<wsky>also i strongly disadvice mixing debian branches
20:40<wsky>it's a straight way to break your system
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20:41<marcelofb>alright, i' think i'll download directly from their website
20:41<marcelofb>wow
20:41<marcelofb>Linus Torvalds announced the release today of the Linux 4.2-rc4 kernel, the fourth weekly snapshot of the in-development Linux 4.2.
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20:42<wsky>so?
20:43<marcelofb>nothing
20:43<wsky>in a chatty mood i supose
20:43<marcelofb>this is a chat room after all
20:43<wsky>well they'll kill you if you wont stay on topic
20:44<marcelofb>and i am not off top
20:44<marcelofb>ic
20:44<marcelofb>=]
20:44<wsky>or at least banish
20:44<marcelofb>yeah i can see that
20:44<marcelofb>btw
20:44<marcelofb>bye
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20:59<twb>Is there a way to tell the system that firmware-realtek is not gonna be installed, so stop trying to load it?
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21:05<twb>http://cyber.com.au/~twb/tmp/systemd-analyze-plot.svg
21:05<twb>(I don't know if that's *the* problem, but it's *a* problem.)
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21:15<zakh>Need help updating my packages. Get Failed to fetch error when I run apt-get update. Here is the output of apt-get update and also my sources.list file. How can I update without failure to fetch packages? -- http://pastebin.com/tzK0Tjpf
21:17<twb>Your security line looks OK to me, and I can reproduce a 404 on at least http://security.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/updates/main/source/Sources
21:18<twb>dpkg: wheezy-lts
21:18<dpkg>Similar to <squeeze-lts>, longer term support for wheezy will probably be provided by volunteers. Offers of help in the form of time or sponsorship are gratefully accepted. See https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net.
21:18<zakh>is that because it's down or is it a wrong url
21:19<twb>dpkg: wheezy sources.list
21:19<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list".
21:19<twb>You really really realyl shouldn't have unstable and wheezy in the same sources.list, tho
21:20<twb>zakh: what release are most of your packages from?
21:20<zakh>yeah I realized that. I was trying to get newer packages
21:20<zakh>i guess wheezy but I don't know how to check
21:20<zakh>When I run uname -a I get: Debian 3.16.7-ckt9-3~deb8u1~bpo70+1 (2015-04-27) i686 GNU/Linux
21:21<twb>Does "apt-config dump | grep Release" give a Default-Release ?
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21:22<zakh>don't get any output
21:23<twb>OK.
21:23<twb>Let's clean this up as much as we can
21:23<twb>echo 'APT::Default-Release "wheezy";' >>/etc/apt/apt.conf
21:24<twb>Then set sources.list per dpkg wheezy sources.list above
21:24<twb>Then do an apt-get update. Did it succeed?
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21:24<zakh>get permission denied on /etc/apt/apt.conf
21:24<zakh>even with sudo
21:25<twb>sudo doesn't affect the redirect, which is done by your shell
21:25<twb>just do sudoedit /etc/apt/apt.conf and manually type the line: APT::Default-Release "wheezy";
21:26<zakh>Ok
21:26<zakh>there isn't an apt.conf btw
21:26<twb>create it
21:27<twb>The D-R option makes it less likely you'll *accidentally* install stuff from a newer release.
21:27<zakh>Ok :)
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21:28<zakh>so I should get rid of everything in sources.list and replace with the stuff from dpkg wheezy above?
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21:28<dvs>zakh: You have mixed so many things together, we don't know what you have.
21:29<twb>Right
21:29<twb>We're going to find out soon, hopefully
21:29<twb>zakh: yes, get rid of everything in your sources.list and sources.list.d/*
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21:34<zakh>updating now
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21:36<zakh>ok update done
21:36<twb>OK now install aptitude if you haven't already
21:37<zakh>installed
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21:37<twb>aptitude search '?narrow(?installed,?not(?origin(wheezy)))' | curl -sSfF 'sprunge=<-' sprunge.us
21:37<twb>That should list all packages you have installed from somewhere that wasn't wheezy
21:37<twb>(And pastebinit)
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21:38<zakh>http://sprunge.us/fRcL
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21:39<twb>OK a heaaaaap of stuff
21:40<zakh>yeah weird
21:40<dvs>not to me
21:40<zakh>lsb_release -da gives me Debian 7.8
21:40<twb>I think my search is wrong
21:40<zakh>(wheezy)
21:42<zakh>also cat /etc/debian_version gives: stretch/sid
21:42<twb>Yeah that's because your system is a mess
21:43<zakh>do you think i would be better off just doing reinstall
21:43<zakh>i dont have data on here except my programs
21:43<twb>yes
21:43<dvs>seconded
21:44<zakh>ok thanks for the help :)
21:44<twb>but next time 1. don't mix >1 release; and 2. if you do, at least set Default-Release to reduce the damage
21:44<zakh>will do
21:45<twb>How can I find the differences between linux 3.16.7-ckt11-1~bpo70+1 and linux 3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u2 ?
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21:49<Brigo>twb, check the config files out.
21:50<twb>Brigo: you mean the .debian.tar.xz's ?
21:50<Brigo>no the config in /boot
21:50<Brigo>if you have installed them
21:50<twb>That won't tell me what extra patches are applied between them
21:50<Brigo>or may be the changelog of the newer.
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21:52<Brigo>twb, they could be the same kernel for diferents targets.
21:52<twb>uh, they are. They're 3.16.7-ckt11 for wheezy and jessie respectively.
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21:53<twb>The background is that I'm trying to migrate a kiosk farm to jessie, and one thing I haven't done yet is rebuild our custom kernel from the wheezy version to the jessie version
21:54<twb>And I was wondering how likely that is to be causing some of the weirdness & regressions
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22:01<twb>Aha! This looks relevant: USB_XHCI_PLATFORM is a new option since I last built a kernel, and xHCI is the hub on which my not-working-keyboard is on
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22:35<twb>Does debian provide an HKP server for apt keyrings, or do people just use the *-keyring packages & keys.gnupg.net for third-party keys?
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23:16<finchd>twb: jus the keyring packages for thier own keys, you gotta get third-party keys from the sources ( like for the multimedia repo)
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23:19<br3n>Hi
23:19<br3n>any admins here??
23:19<br3n>i was wondering if they could clear something up for me
23:20<twb>Haha # Disabled for now as code is insecure (LP: #1013639 (and 857472, 1013128))
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23:21<br3n>common sense and julian assange both seem to say that most of the developers of debian need to be put in concentration camps
23:21<br3n>why is that?
23:21<br3n>http://tracker2.postman.i2p/index.php?view=TorrentDetail&id=16627
23:22<br3n>http://tracker2.postman.i2p/index.php?view=TorrentDetail&id=29499
23:22<br3n>Julian Assange: Debian Is Owned By The NSA
23:22<br3n>In his Q&A to his keynote address at the World Hosting Days Global 2014 conference in April, the world’s largest hosting and cloud event, Julian Assange discussed encryption technology in the context of hosting systems. He discussed the cypherpunk credo of how encryption can level the playing field between powerful governments and people, and about 20 minutes into his address, he discussed how UNIX-like systems like Debian (which he mentioned by name) ar
23:22<br3n>e engineered by nation-states with backdoors which are easily introduced as ‘bugs’, and how Linux distributions, at times, depend on thousands of packages and libraries that may be compromised.
23:22<br3n>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFFTYRWB0Tk
23:22-!-br3n was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.]
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23:22<br3n>Julian Assange: Debian Is Owned By The NSA
23:22<br3n>In his Q&A to his keynote address at the World Hosting Days Global 2014 conference in April, the world’s largest hosting and cloud event, Julian Assange discussed encryption technology in the context of hosting systems. He discussed the cypherpunk credo of how encryption can level the playing field between powerful governments and people, and about 20 minutes into his address, he discussed how UNIX-like systems like Debian (which he mentioned by name) ar
23:22<br3n>e engineered by nation-states with backdoors which are easily introduced as ‘bugs’, and how Linux distributions, at times, depend on thousands of packages and libraries that may be compromised.
23:22<br3n>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFFTYRWB0Tk
23:22<br3n>Julian Assange: Debian Is Owned By The NSA
23:22<br3n>In his Q&A to his keynote address at the World Hosting Days Global 2014 conference in April, the world’s largest hosting and cloud event, Julian Assange discussed encryption technology in the context of hosting systems. He discussed the cypherpunk credo of how encryption can level the playing field between powerful governments and people, and about 20 minutes into his address, he discussed how UNIX-like systems like Debian (which he mentioned by name) ar
23:22<br3n>e engineered by nation-states with backdoors which are easily introduced as ‘bugs’, and how Linux distributions, at times, depend on thousands of packages and libraries that may be compromised.
23:22<br3n>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFFTYRWB0Tk
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23:23<twb>What a rubbish troll
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23:29<twb>finchd: there IS hkp://keyring.debian.org
23:29<twb>Though it doesn't have the key I care about just now
23:30<twb>Cf. apt-key adv --keyserver hkp://keyring.debian.org --recv-key 610B28B55CFCFE45EA1B563B3116BA5E9FFA69A3
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23:43<finchd>twb: ah, hadn't heard of it
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