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00:50<el>hola
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00:51<el>hello
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01:09<primetoxinz>can someone help me with getting nvidia drivers for a gtx 980 on Jeesie?
01:10<primetoxinz>all the ones I've found are too old
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01:10<jm_>are you saying the one from jessie does not support gtx 980? do you have it installed?
01:11<primetoxinz>I guess it doesn't suppose it, since the x server crashes every time I've tried them
01:11<primetoxinz>support*
01:11<jm_>put your Xorg.0.log on the paste site -- /msg dpkg paste
01:11<jm_>also /msg dpkg nopaste
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01:13<primetoxinz>hmmmmm, well I'd have to crash it again
01:13<primetoxinz>because the log got overwritten
01:13<jm_>is that a problem?
01:14<primetoxinz>brb
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01:14<jm_>uhh you could look at Xorg.0.log.old
01:14<jm_>but too late
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01:20<apa>how to add a start a project in collab-maint ?
01:21<jm_>apa: how is this question debian related?
01:21<apa>jm_ ? ,,
01:22<apa>collab-maint is not related to debian ?
01:22<primetoxinz>jm_, http://pastie.org/10317650
01:22<jm_>primetoxinz: you don't have the nvidia kernel module loaded, how did you install the nvidia driver?
01:23<jm_>apa: perhaps start at https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/CollabMaint
01:23<primetoxinz>http://pastie.org/10317655 like so
01:24<jm_>run dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms - my guess is it's going to fail with an error
01:25<primetoxinz>no errors
01:26<primetoxinz>but I looked at the supported cards for this version, mine is not on it
01:26<jm_>now run: find /lib/modules/$(uname -r)|grep nvidia
01:26<primetoxinz>http://pastie.org/10317657
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01:27<jm_>modprobe nvidia-current then put 'dmesg | tail -n 20' on pastebin
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01:28<primetoxinz>modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'nvidia_current': No such device
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01:29<primetoxinz>http://pastebin.com/q8VYMeDQ
01:29<jm_>right that confirms your theory
01:30<primetoxinz>okay
01:30<primetoxinz>now, how do I get the newer version?
01:30<jm_>!ssb
01:30<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
01:31<jm_>last time I did it it was trivial for the nvidia driver
01:31<primetoxinz>what the things in <> mean???
01:32<jm_>to ask dpkg about it, <foo> ---> /msg dpkg foo
01:32<primetoxinz>ahh, ok
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01:39<primetoxinz>ok, should I do nvidia-kernel-dkms or nvidia-drivers?
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01:39<primetoxinz>jm_, ^
01:41<jm_>primetoxinz: nvidia-graphics-drivers source package - you will get several binary packages from it, including the -dkms one
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01:42<primetoxinz>ok,cool
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01:46<apa>jm_, do you have any idea about pristine tar, i ve seen that in many collab-maint ,all i know its a branch .
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01:47<jm_>apa: not really, I am not a member of the debian project thus I have no access to those sites/tools
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01:48<primetoxinz>once compiled and installed do I need to keep all the files it spit out?
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01:49<jm_>no
01:49<primetoxinz>ok
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01:54<primetoxinz>so to install them all something like dpkg --install *.deb should work?
01:54<jm_>not *.deb, the same packages you have installed now, just newer version
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01:55<primetoxinz>it didn't make a deb for that
01:56<primetoxinz>nope, no nvidia-graphics-drivers.deb
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01:58<jm_>that's the source package name, binary package name would be nvidia-kernel-dkms nvidia-kernel-common etc.
01:59<jm_>like I said, look at packages installed now
01:59<primetoxinz>ok
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02:05<primetoxinz>same errors
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02:07<jm_>put the same dmesg ... output on the paste site
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02:18<primetoxinz>jm_, http://pastebin.com/JpJkiFgP
02:19<primetoxinz>so, it's not failing when doing that, but it fails on load
02:19<jm_>primetoxinz: that does not show it, dmesg | grep -i nvidia
02:21<primetoxinz>my bad http://pastebin.com/Xwg3pQzT
02:21<primetoxinz>still no work D:
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02:23<primetoxinz>you have the drivers installed right?
02:23<jm_>it looks like it's not supported, dpkg-query -f '${Version}\n' -W nvidia-kernel-dkms
02:23<jm_>paste the version here
02:23<primetoxinz>340.76-2
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02:23<jm_>ok so you will need to use a newer one from experimental, but note that is says it's rc-buggy
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02:24<primetoxinz>if you have the drivers, what's in your /etc/modules?
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02:25<jm_>you put the name of the kernel module there but that's not your problem
02:26<primetoxinz>I googled how to uninstall the drivers before coming here and I have nouveau in it
02:26<jm_>remove it
02:26<primetoxinz>I did
02:26<primetoxinz>I wasn't sure if something else should be in there
02:26<jm_>naah, it looks fine, you just need a newer version
02:27<primetoxinz>grrr having too good of a graphics card
02:27<primetoxinz>1st world problems
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02:28<primetoxinz>I'm confused by <uupdate>
02:29<primetoxinz>do I need to go find the url for wget?
02:30<jm_>https://packages.debian.org/experimental/nvidia-driver you have a link to the source packages on the right
02:30<jm_>dpkg-source -x foo.dsc
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02:31<primetoxinz>dpkg-source: warning: failed to verify signature on ./nvidia-graphics-drivers_352.21-2.dsc
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02:37<android>hello guys !
02:37<primetoxinz>hi
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02:38<android>plss help me i already install aircrack-ng but it doesn't work
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02:41<android>plss tell me what server for hackers :D
02:43<towo^work>your are notz a hacker, so no one can help you
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02:44<primetoxinz>dpkg-source: warning: failed to verify signature on ./nvidia-graphics-drivers_352.21-2.dsc jm_
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02:45<jm_>primetoxinz: it's just a warning, the tool still worked, if you are bothered by it I am sure you can find instructions how to fix it, my quick guess would be you are missing one of the keyring packages
02:45<primetoxinz>I didn't put the whole error
02:46<primetoxinz>I thought that'd be enough http://pastebin.com/jUFZAnT8
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02:46<primetoxinz>it completely fails because of it
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02:47<jm_>you need to download all three files - .dsc, .orig.tar.gz and .diff.*
02:47<primetoxinz>ah
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02:52<primetoxinz>sooo, what do I with this folder now?
02:54<jm_>cd into it, and run debuild -uc -us -b
02:54<jm_>and it's a directory
02:55<primetoxinz>do you mean dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us
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02:55<primetoxinz>other thing doesn't exist
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02:56<jm_>debuild is a front-end to dpkg-buildpackage, so yes you can use that but you might want to add -rfakeroot
02:56<jm_>or simply install the relevant package
02:57<primetoxinz>it's working so far
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03:13<primetoxinz>still not working
03:14<android>sorry tell but im MRX
03:15<primetoxinz>http://pastebin.com/irPWz7zy but dmesg... does this now jm_
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03:16<jm_>primetoxinz: make sure the nvidia kernel module is loaded
03:16<primetoxinz>Xlog says no
03:16<primetoxinz>any way to make it load?
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03:17<jm_>I already told you how to load it earlier, modprobe ...
03:17<primetoxinz>ohhh
03:18<primetoxinz>it does nothing
03:18<primetoxinz>no error
03:18<primetoxinz>'modprobe nvidia-current' yes?
03:19<primetoxinz>it says it works everywhere but when it loads!
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03:27<primetoxinz>build
03:27<primetoxinz>whoops
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03:35<twb>"dpkg -L foo" includes directories. Is there a concise, non-awful way to get foo's contents, not counting subdirs? I used to use dlocate for that, but I don't have that installed everywhere.
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04:26<arved>how long does it take for a file uploaded to ftp-master.d.o to endup on ftp.debian.org?
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04:28<twb>If it's a new package, a human has to approve it
04:29<arved>no, it is a backport, and there was a followup with "Accepted:"
04:29<arved>4 days ago.
04:29<twb>Dunno sorry
04:29<twb>try #debian-mentors
04:30<arved>ok thx
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04:36<mohammad-ghasemi>does any distro has more software available for it that debian?
04:36<mohammad-ghasemi>*than
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04:43<twb>mohammad-ghasemi: probably not first-party.
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05:05<elfsong>hello guys
05:07<elfsong>anyone here now?
05:07<twb>elfsong: how can we help?
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05:29<cpt7>bonjour a tous
05:30<cpt7>un debrouille tous seul put trouver de l'aide ?
05:31<cpt7>ok peut etre pludb tard
05:31<cpt7>a plus
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05:40<ready>hello guys
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07:14<Arkimades>Hi, I just installed debian on my home computer. The problem is that I boot straight to black screen. I'm unable to pull out the console with ctrl+alt+f-row. How can I start debugging the issue?
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07:15<jm_>can you connect to it from another system?
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07:16<Arkimades>how? it's installed on formated harddrive. I took my other os harddrive out so I only have debians connected
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07:30<jm_>well if you have another computer
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07:32<Arkimades>i do
07:32<jm_>so try to connect to your debian system from that one, i.e. via ssh
07:33<Arkimades>yes ill try that, thanks for the help
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07:36<jm_>if you can ping/connect that's already positive :)
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07:39<Arkimades>maybe it's a dumb question, but how do I determine what ip is that machine? I have a dhcp table
07:39<Arkimades>i have respons on all
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07:43<jm_>normally DHCP server has some way of figuring it out
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07:44<daagai>kkkk
07:44<jm_>perhaps try booting debian with systemd.unit=rescue.target
07:45<Arkimades>maybe i'm missing something but the table provided from my router only shows ip+mac adress
07:45<jm_>yeah that's it, you just need to know which MAC your debian system is hehe
07:45<Arkimades>okay
07:46<daagai>hello everyone
07:46<daagai>where are u
07:46<jm_>you append that systemd.unit to the kernel command line in grub, that is if you are using systemd, if not, booting in single user mode should do (select the "recovery" option at boot)
07:46<Arkimades>same result in recovery :(
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07:49<Arkimades>should I just install with differently?
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07:50<Arkimades>install it* - I have nothing to loose on the drive
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07:52<jm_>well chances are it will be the same so you may as well figure it out
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07:55<Arkimades>its frustrating to just stare at blank screen. at least throw me an error
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08:05<didar>hi, I'm having problems with preseeding
08:05<didar>... the partitioning part
08:06<didar>I'm doing a KVM virtual instance install
08:06<jm_>Arkimades: then try with the above systemd option
08:06<didar>everything is fine except, the installer prompts to confirm about the "disk"
08:06<didar>http://pastie.org/10318154
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08:07<didar>relevant partitioning portion
08:07<didar>... and http://oi62.tinypic.com/fwmy42.jpg
08:07<didar>that is the prompt
08:07<didar>anybody have any ideas?
08:09<Laogeodritt>I love how tinypic always loads up all these bloody ads and yet it never loads the image itself
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08:11<didar>ummm that is a direct link to the image
08:11<didar>Laogeodritt, ^^
08:11<Laogeodritt>didar: redirects to the page
08:11<didar>:/
08:12<didar>sorry
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08:12<musca>Laogeodritt: the pic is so tiny, you just don't find it among the ads
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08:12<Arkimades>jm_:im not sure where to paste the command. in the command line grub allows me to open?
08:12<didar>hmm
08:12<jm_>Arkimades: in grub you can press e to edit the entry, append it to the linux ... line at the end
08:12<Laogeodritt>tinypic has always been terrible for me. Either way I'm about to go to bed, so don't rehost for my benefit, I probably won't be able to help you now =X
08:13<Laogeodritt>musca: considering how much attention the ads are demanding, very possible
08:13<didar>okay, no problem.. :)
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08:13<didar>is there a pastebin type service for images?
08:14<didar>y'know throw away types
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08:14<didar>max hosting for day or two
08:15*didar is looking for a free shell accounts to host stuff like this in the time being
08:15<Laogeodritt>didar: not too sure for specifically throwaway/self-limiting, but in general imgur has been a decent image host
08:15<didar>ok
08:15<didar>lemme try that
08:16<Arkimades>jm_: there is no linux ... line (uploading screenshot)
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08:17<didar>http://imgur.com/tsBVT30
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08:18<Arkimades>jm_: https://www.dropbox.com/s/apn7p9a62g86ero/IMG_20150729_141532.jpg?dl=0
08:19<Arkimades>jm_: (screenshot)
08:19<jm_>Arkimades: yes there is, 3rd line from the bottom
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08:19<Arkimades>jm_: (embarrassed)
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08:21<jm_>but I have to run now, I'm sure someone else can help you, if not now, maybe a tad later
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08:41<Laogeodritt>... so I installed deb with the normal desktop environment, and I feel like I'm using a mobile OS
08:41<Laogeodritt>s/normal/default/ - I think it's GNOME 3?
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08:43<markybob>Laogeodritt, yes
08:44<markybob>Laogeodritt, drives me nuts, so i use xfce
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08:44<Laogeodritt>markybob: I've been using XFCE on my dev VMs. Figured I might as well try GNOME3 and see what all the (negative) fuss is about.
08:45<Laogeodritt>I... this is like my first experience with Windows 8 and having Metro shoved in my face
08:45<markybob>Laogeodritt, now you know :P
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08:47<Laogeodritt>markybob, indeed! Might poke at gnome-classic before definitively giving up and going back to xfce
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08:53<EmleyMoor>How can I see what depends on a package?
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08:54<didar>EmleyMoor, apt-cache show <package>
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08:54<didar>...look for the "Depends:" line
08:54<themill>EmleyMoor: apt-cache rdepends to list all of them
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08:55<EmleyMoor>didar: That's "package depends on", not "depended on by"
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08:56<didar>I was afraid that is what you meant :D
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08:57<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... been advised my pulseaudio problem is fixed in version 6 but hoping to get there on jessie without dependency hell
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08:59<themill>It looks quite backportable. (Whether its rdeps will be happy I don't know)
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09:01<Laogeodritt>EmleyMoor: apt-cache rdepends packagename
09:02<EmleyMoor>Laogeodritt: Hmmm... still needs picking through
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09:02<markybob>i'm kinda lost on why you're asking about reverse depends. build-dep and source -b...
09:02<Laogeodritt>hmm?
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09:03<EmleyMoor>Wondering if it even needs backporting, tbh
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09:03<markybob>build-dep and source -b should do it...based on what i see (without trying it)
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09:04<nhoya>hi
09:04<nhoya>someone can help me with the wiki? seems i can't access it xD
09:05<markybob>nhoya, you can't access https://wiki.debian.org/ ?
09:05<nhoya>yes
09:05<nhoya>403 :\
09:05<markybob>nhoya, it's working here. any info in particular you want? i'll get it for you
09:06<Laogeodritt>nhoya: works for me. What does wiki.debian.org resolve to for you?
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09:07<nhoya>i was looking for the configuration script of exim
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09:07<markybob>nhoya, single file format or split?
09:07<markybob>nhoya, you'll find single in /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template
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09:08<markybob>nhoya, split is /etc/exim4/conf.d/
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09:08<nhoya>as you prefer, is not a proble, i'm just getting crazy with ssmtp so fuck it and go for exim
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09:09<nhoya>is he first program i'v ever seen with useless debug...
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09:10<markybob>i'm a postfix guy myself
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09:11<nhoya>hem but.. the problem with the wiki persists and i can't go in ahahahaahaah
09:11<wave>I'm trying to make xfce4 to work with VNC. Everytime when I connect to server I'm missing some icons and cursor. But If I run xfce4 locally everything works fine. Any ideas what could be wrong?
09:11<markybob>nhoya, does this work? http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https://wiki.debian.org/Exim#Single_file
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09:12<nhoya>markybob: yes it works!
09:12<markybob>nhoya, yay
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09:12<nhoya>ty :)
09:13<nhoya>but no one can do ts on the wiki? cuz is not so nice can't reach the page ahahaaaha
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09:15<zSnake>Is there any other way to contact Asus except for their email-form on their homepage? I tried to call them earlier because i have ONE spmple question about a feature in one of their MB's, but i only get adviced to use their email-form... The problem is that i'm not really happy about compleatley take my pc apart and write serial numbers of all components, purchasedate etc down just to get a
09:15<zSnake>simple "yes" or "no" that has nothing to do with the rest of my components
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09:15<markybob>zSnake, you're so far off topic...
09:16<nhoya>just a little
09:16<nhoya>ahahah
09:17<zSnake>I try to ask everywhere, have been trying to get a clue in 5 days now so i'm getting a little frustrated
09:17<abrotman>#debian-offtopic is a better plcae, this isn't it
09:17<zSnake>k, thx
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09:24<peter1138>Hmm, I wonder if bug#784960 could have caused the filesystem issues i was seeing.
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09:27<nhoya>just one question, there is a chan were ask support about ssmpt or smpt client in general?
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09:28<petn-randall>nhoya: SMTP? Or what do you mean?
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09:29<nhoya>i'v a problem with the configuration script of SSMPT
09:29<peter1138>yeah, ssmtp. i just go with postfix.
09:30<petn-randall>nhoya: What is SSMPT? Wikipedia says it doesn't exist.
09:31<nhoya>ssmtp
09:31<nhoya>this keyboard sucks :\
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09:36<markybob>petn-randall, it's some little thing that tries to replace sendmail...pretty stupid actually.
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09:43<rip_>hi
09:43<rip_>someone can help me?
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09:43<EmleyMoor>!ask
09:43<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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09:44<rip_>hi
09:44<rip_>okay
09:44<rip_>thanks
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09:45<rip_>i have a question that is: how i can update debian 8 to debian 8.1?
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09:45<EmleyMoor>rip_: Normal package updating will do it...
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09:46<rip_>i execute sudo apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade but dont update the version of debian
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09:46<EmleyMoor>sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get upgrade
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09:46<Nemoder>rip_: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
09:46<mtn>rip_, it isn't a new version, just a new version of the installer. updates keep you current
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09:46<rip_>i need to purchase my sources.list?
09:47<mtn>oh oh
09:47<rip_>i tested apt-get update and upgrade ...
09:47<rip_>but dont purchase
09:47<Nemoder>rip_: purchase? no, just put it on http://paste.debian.net so we can see it and make sure it's correct
09:47<EmleyMoor>rip: Er...?
09:47<markybob>rip_, did you pay for debian?
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09:48<rip_>no, i dont pay
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09:49<EmleyMoor>rip: So, what's this "purchase" you're on about?
09:49<markybob>rip_, cat /etc/debian_version ...what does it say?
09:49<rip_>and when i go to the software updates menu, it print me that i have the ultimate software
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09:49<markybob>wtf
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09:50<rip_>when i execute cat /etc/debian_version it says me 8.1, but when i execute cat /etc/issue it print me Debian GNU/Linux 8 \n \l not Debian 8.1
09:50<markybob>rip_, what's your native tongue? i think there's some miscommunication going on here
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09:51<EmleyMoor>rip_: Then, you've got it...
09:51<markybob>rip_, yep, you're good.
09:52<rip_>i have debian 8.1? XD
09:52<mylar>Hi, does Debian have a policy about software that has its own update checker? (ie it should be off by default)
09:52<markybob>rip_, yes
09:52<rip_>xD
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09:52<rip_>im a newbie with this system
09:52<markybob>mylar, not checker. auto-update is a different story
09:53<rip_>in my other life i used ubuntu jeje
09:53<markybob>mylar, for example, deluge will tell you if a new version comes out. won't update
09:53<rip_>and another question
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09:54<rip_>in my portable computer, debian was crashed and print me a black console which name is 'panic console'
09:54<rip_>why debian crashed?
09:54<rip_>i was just executing reaver
09:54<markybob>rip_, you don't seriously expect an answer with so littler info, right?
09:55<markybob>little*
09:55<mylar>markybob: if packages are being managed through apt, I don't see why they should nag you too, because upstream will always be ahead...
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09:56<markybob>mylar, debian locks on a version on release for stablization/security...
09:56<mylar>markybob: so no point in submitting a debian patch to disable updates for a program by default?
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09:57<markybob>mylar, generally the program comes with a default check/don't...it's up to the packager to change it if he or she wants.
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10:00<rip_>thanks for the help
10:00<rip_>exit
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10:02<Laogeodritt>markybob: yep... GNOME classic lacks customisability and still too big for my liking. I'm going back to XFCE =F
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10:03<markybob>Laogeodritt, yeah...i don't understand how it even happened. i've been using gnome for 15 years and i don't know wtf. i'm done.
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10:47<hinojosa>hi all, how to install postfix-logwatch on Debian 7?
10:47<hinojosa>logtwatch does not provide me the same functionality
10:48<centrx>hinojosa, I think postfix-logwatch might be in the logwatch package too
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10:50<hinojosa>I have installed it but the command is not provided by that package
10:51<hinojosa> postfix-logwatch
10:51<hinojosa>-bash: postfix-logwatch: command not found
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10:52<abrotman>judd: file postfix-logwatch
10:52<judd>No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file.
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10:54<hinojosa>so I cannot install it with apt, right?
10:55<centrx>hinojosa, What happens if you do: man postfix-logwatch
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10:56<hinojosa> postfix-logwatch - A Postfix log parser and analysis utility
10:56<hinojosa>I get a manual
10:57<centrx>Yeah it makes me think there is some way to use it even if there is no binary named 'postfix-logwatch'
10:57<centrx>But it might be a different tool than what you mean by 'postfix-logwatch'
10:57<centrx>Otherwise, as you said, you can't install it with apt
10:57<centrx>from the Debian repos
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10:59<hinojosa>quite strange default configuration, only folders, no config files
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10:59<hinojosa>http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1438181988.png
11:00<hinojosa>I will do a workaround
11:00<hinojosa>thank you very much
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12:02<tatu>I am using Jessie and KDE. /proc/acpi/wakeup shows USB wakeup is on. Problem is, whenever I put my computer on suspend, it doesn't wake from suspend by pressing keyboard key, nor mouse, but when I plug an USB device in, then my computer wakes from suspend.
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12:02<tatu>So, how to make my computer to wake from suspend by pressing a key on keyboard? Yes, I have googled this problem a lot.
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12:07<petn-randall>tatu: If a keypress doesn't wake it up, you might want to check any BIOS settings regarding that.
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12:07<petn-randall>IIRC it requires some interaction with the BIOS/UEFI to work.
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12:09<tatu>It works in Win 7. Also, there was some setting in bios.. "Default suspend: AUTO, S1 (pos), or S3"; but S1 didn't work, no wake up at all
12:09-!-mode/#debian [-q *!*@verain.settrans.net] by Maulkin
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12:09<tatu>it's on AUTO now, because that seems to work
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12:10<tatu>in win 7 and limitedly on debian
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12:10<rah>I have a problem with update-alternatives
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12:10<axelkramble>hi
12:10<xreaperx>hi
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12:10<rah>http://paste.debian.net/287272/
12:11<rah>update-alternatives: error: /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/wesnoth corrupt: priority of /usr/share/man/id/man6/wesnoth.6.gz: wesnoth.it.6.gz
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12:14<rah>is there some way I can work around this easily?
12:16<@Maulkin>rah: have you manually been editing the alternatives file by any chance?
12:16<rah>Maulkin: nope
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12:17<rah>Maulkin: my /var seems to be somewhat dodgey
12:17<rah>I've just created a new filesystem and copied the (seemingly bad) contents of /var to it
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12:18<rah>but now I need to get update-alternatives to not fail
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12:18<Maulkin>At a /guess/ it looks like it's truncated. Try copying the last few lines of the top stanza to the bottom so it matches.
12:19<Maulkin>Otherwise, we may be able to create a new alternatives file
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12:20<rah>Maulkin: no effect copying from the top stanza
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12:22<Maulkin>rah: any luck with "update-alternatives --config wesnoth"?
12:23<Maulkin>Or "update-alternative --display wesnoth"
12:23<maxy>You could simply purge wesnoth and install it again, is a bit overkill but time effective.
12:24<Maulkin>maxy: True. Probably quicker :)
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12:25<rah>Maulkin: --config and --display just give the same errors
12:25*rah attempts to purge all of the wesnoth* packages
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12:27<rah>hmm, well it seems that the file isn't owned by any package:
12:27<rah>dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/wesnoth
12:28<rah>I've removed wesnoth, but wesnoth-1.10-core has update-alternatives in its pre-removal script
12:29<rah>I just moved the file out the way, that did the trick
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12:31*rah wonders how it got into that state
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12:31<rah>thanks for the help
12:33<tatu>Is it possible to make linux mount encrypted filesystem (/home) on login?
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12:34<tatu>ok, pam mount
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12:39-!-Yst is "<https://y.st/>" on #nottor #tor #oftc #moocows @#android-os @#notnotnotnotnottor #guardianproject @#Libreboot #debian # @#Replicant #debian-offtopic #freedombox #esperanto
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12:45<EmleyMoor>Is there a simple way to install pulseaudio from stretch on jessie, including resolving all dependencies but not going "too far"?
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12:50<rah>EmleyMoor: http://paste.debian.net/287301/
12:50<rah>EmleyMoor: put that in /etc/apt/preferences
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12:50<EmleyMoor>Turns out I have the only 7 packages I need ready and waiting.
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13:05<Maulkin>!ssb
13:05<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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13:44<EmleyMoor>Got new pulseaudio installed - I'll see if that fixes the problem...
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14:06<anonymous>hi
14:07<anonymous>how do i oipen disc drive?
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14:07<anonymous>???
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14:07<markybob>anonymous, you push the open button on the side. are you being serious?
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14:08<anonymous>dont work i am srious someone HeLP please how do i open disc drive
14:08<retrospectacus>you can click eject somewhere in the file manager or type eject in a terminal
14:08<markybob>anonymous, then use a paperclip. put it in the tiny hole and it will pop out
14:09<mtn>anonymous, sometimes there is a little hole that you can use to open the disk if the button fails
14:09<anonymous>file mng ? ty
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14:10<anonymous>straNGE i am in filemngr but i dont see my disc drive
14:10<markybob>use a paperclip in tiny hole like mtn and i said
14:12<anonymous>thank you
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14:15<anonymous>thank you thank you its simpler than a operation PAPERCLIP type EJECT IN terminal tell it to the next person plse LOL
14:16<anonymous>thanks
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14:17<markybob>sigh
14:20<gour>after some short excursions to *BSD world and spending some time with some other distros, i+'m back to debian with the great desire to stay and fully settle :-)
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14:20<centrx>!awesome
14:20<dpkg>rumour has it, awesome is a dynamic floating and tiling <window manager>. http://wiki.debian.org/Awesome http://awesome.naquadah.org/ #awesome on irc.oftc.net.
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14:50<canaima>Hola!
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14:57<Primatsoc>hi
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15:13<root>.
15:16<talby>LibreOffice ist offensichtlich gtk2 basiert, kann ich nun gut, dass heisst schnell, also wieder produktiv einsetzen, so wie zuvor unter Windows. Firefox/Thunderbird stellen sich noch quer, die haben die scrollbar Breite wieder in ihren Themes irgendwo definiert, und erste Lösungsvorschläge aus dem Internet zeigten noch keine Wirkung. Das ist aber nicht so dringend, da werde ich mich im Laufe der Woche in aller Ruhe mal mit beschäftigen, jet
15:16<talby>zt da ich weiss wie das unter Linux so ungefähr funktioniert/organisiert ist.
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15:17<talby>My big sorry, I pasted to the wrong Tab. :-( . Will take better care, next time.
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16:26<vush_>I want to make a compressed, full disk backup onto a usb drive that can be easily restored, any suggestions?
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16:29<markybob>vush_, yeah. don't do it. storage is cheap...cpu cycles are not.
16:31<primetoxinz>anyone here gotten nvidia drivers for a GTX 980 working on Jeesie?
16:32<primetoxinz>I've build from experimental and everything and it never works
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16:36<vush_>so how can I back up my 1tb drive onto a flash drive without wasting precious cycles?
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16:37<markybob>vush_, my choice of backup is rsycn -aP ...depending on what's needed.
16:37<markybob>rsync*
16:38<Ionic>vush_: now matter how much you compress, you will have a hard time fitting 1 TB of data onto a flash drive
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16:38<vush_>it's not 1tb of data
16:39<vush_>just a 1tb drive with maybe 5 gigs of data
16:39<vush_>I want to be able to restore everything to this point perfectly
16:39<markybob>vush_, i don't think you'll find anything better than rsync
16:39<markybob>add a cronjob...done
16:39<Ionic>markybob: depending on the FS.
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16:40<Ionic>markybob: rsyincing to a FAT32 volume is braindead.
16:40<Ionic>s/rsyinc/rsync/
16:40<markybob>sure. i didn't expect a linux user would be using that. i should've asked.
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16:42<markybob>not exactly sure what would be better, though. fat32 just sucks in general
16:42<Ionic>mostly tar archives and splitting up each 2GB
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16:43<markybob>that makes things way too complicated when we're talking about a few gigs. reformat if you have to
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16:46<primetoxinz>tail
16:46<primetoxinz>whoops
16:46<vush_>I just want something equivalent to a dd dump so I know things will be exactly the same when I restore
16:47<markybob>vush_, rsync -aP and you're good. really.
16:47<vush_>while the system to be backed up is running
16:47<vush_>?
16:48<markybob>vush_, yep
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16:48<vush_>I'll try it and see where it goes wrong
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17:02<ryouma>rsync -P includes --partial here; he might not want that depending
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17:03<markybob>sure, man it
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17:08<ejbgoz>hello
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17:09<ejbgoz>I'm sorry to ask but I'm really lost with my wifi connection ...
17:10<ejbgoz>I tried so many things ... Does anybody know how it works ?
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17:11<ejbgoz>the problem is I can connect the first time but the second time, I see the icon (wicd I guess) seeking but nothing happens until timeout
17:12<ejbgoz>no in fact, it's Applet NetworkManager
17:12<ejbgoz>so if I reset my access point, it works again !
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17:20<primetoxinz>how is it possible that on system boot my nvidia drivers don't work, but if I start it with nouveau then restart lightdm I get the drivers?
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17:34<musca>primetoxinz: which hardware is involved?
17:35<musca>!ask
17:35<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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17:36<primetoxinz>gtx 980
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17:48<lucianoloder>Hi to all
17:49<lucianoloder>I am trying to install debian in a 10.1 monitor, graphically, but the installer window is too big for my screen
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17:50<lucianoloder>is there a way to reduce it, or scroll it? I could not resize it, I dont know why
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17:54<ivoadf>Hello everyone, I am having trouble setting up a wired connection on Debian jessie. I plug the cable and nothing happens continues saying it is disconnected. But the wireless connection to the same router work fine. The cable is working already checked on another computer. Any ideas how I could solve this? Or some links to documentation? Thanks in advance
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18:04<lucianoloder>ivoadf: maybe debian is just not autoconfiguring your network. Try to do it manually: ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.1 up
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18:06<lucianoloder>another way is to use ethtool to see if the hardware is detecting the link up, but this package is not default, it should be installed manually
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18:12<ivoadf>lucianoloder: thanks I believe it has worked. Will disconnect from wireless to check
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18:16<ivoadf_>using ifconfig created a connection but I have no access to the internet if I disconnect from wireless.
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18:31<simp>has anyone else seen some touchpad bugs lately? my touchpad seems to be stuck in "two finger(scroll)" mode after suspending.
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18:40<EmleyMoor>Whatever's changing the ownership of /run/user/1000/pulse is *still* doing so with version 6.0 - and my auth log seems to be of little help...
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18:41<valdyn>EmleyMoor: are you using chroot?
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18:42<valdyn>EmleyMoor: when you do "su", check "XDG_RUNTIME_DIR". If that still points to your users directory -> thats what can break pulseaudio
18:43<valdyn>EmleyMoor: and upgrading to 6.0 does not affect that
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18:45<valdyn>EmleyMoor: and it breaks other stuff too, like for example kerberos (but for kerberos theres also "ksu" as a workaround)
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18:50<EmleyMoor>valdyn: I am not using chroot.
18:50<EmleyMoor>+
18:51<valdyn>EmleyMoor: youre using something like su
18:51<EmleyMoor>Now I've lost the mouse pointer
18:51<EmleyMoor>s/I'm/The system is/
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18:51<valdyn>EmleyMoor: the pointer comes back when you click
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18:52<EmleyMoor>No it doesn't
18:54<EmleyMoor>This desktop session is now beyond control
18:56<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... closing this terminal returned it
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18:57<EmleyMoor>When I run a root terminal, XDG_RUNTIME_DIR is indeed set as you suggest - so what should I do?
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18:59<valdyn>EmleyMoor: dont run whatever breaks pulse in that root terminal
18:59<valdyn>EmleyMoor: or dont run that root terminal
18:59<EmleyMoor>valdyn: I'm not running *anything* in it. This even happens with no root terminal running.
18:59<valdyn>EmleyMoor: or modify that root terminal to have no (or a fixed) xdg_root_dir
18:59<valdyn>EmleyMoor: it does not happen magically
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19:00<EmleyMoor>Stuff "that", this needs to be right across the system. I'm not claiming "magic", I am claiming a "system-wide affecting misconfiguration"
19:00<valdyn>EmleyMoor: it happens because you started something as root
19:01<EmleyMoor>Stop blaming me, it's the system.
19:01<valdyn>EmleyMoor: where the thing you started as root has the wrong XDG_ROOT_DIR set
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19:01<valdyn>EmleyMoor: its a global misconfiguration only as far as using the wrong xdg_root_dir as root is
19:02<EmleyMoor>There is an occasional CRON session happening but I don't know what it's doing and therefore it's suspect
19:02<valdyn>EmleyMoor: no, that is unlikely
19:02<valdyn>EmleyMoor: cron never has that wrong xdg_root_dir set at all
19:03<EmleyMoor>cron is seemingly triggering something that does
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19:03<valdyn>EmleyMoor: that would have to be a user cron that changes user to root, makes no sense
19:04<EmleyMoor>Indeed it makes no sense - that's why I need help
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19:04<valdyn>EmleyMoor: i can only tell you the circumstances when this happens in general - that is all
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19:05<valdyn>EmleyMoor: there's a bug report about this in the bts
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19:05<EmleyMoor>Number?
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19:05<valdyn>EmleyMoor: but its not that trivial to fix - see the kerberos example. Thats *old* and also not fixed.
19:05<valdyn>EmleyMoor: i dont know
19:06*EmleyMoor has found no such bug
19:06<EmleyMoor>... report
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19:07<valdyn>https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/1197395
19:07<valdyn>https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1158100
19:08<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... no Debian bug? Still, may be useful
19:08<valdyn>https://bugs.debian.org/758272
19:08<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/758272 in pulseaudio (closed, upstream, confirmed, fixed-upstream): «pulseaudio: pacmd/pactl as root change secure directory permissions»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-08-16; last modified: 2014-12-04.
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19:08<valdyn>EmleyMoor: its all the same if i didnt by mistake grab a wrong url
19:09<valdyn>EmleyMoor: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=161599
19:09<valdyn>so now i got all major distros, or nearly
19:10<valdyn>EmleyMoor: google "pulseaudio run/user owned by root debian"
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21:12<jcrowgey>hi debian room, i'm running debian jessie on a AMD C-60 APU and I noticed that when i run /proc/cpuinfo that it lists the two cores as cpu MHz 800, but the specs for this processor should be 1000MHz. I don't know how to debug this, any suggestions?
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21:14<jcrowgey>weird, ran `cat /proc/cpuinfo' again and now it does say 1000 MHz, why would that change?
21:14<jcrowgey>Am I in the right room, I thought the debian room was usually quite busy, I wonder if i'm on the wrong channel
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21:15<jjholt>jcrowgey, cpufreq computer slows down when not being used
21:15<jjholt>cpu speed will go back up when needed
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21:16<jcrowgey>jjholt: thanks man, i think i was confused about what i would be seeing in /proc/cpuinfo. i think all is good :)
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21:17<jjholt>cpuinfo lists the current speed not the rated speed of the cpu
21:19<jcrowgey>jjholt: one follow up, if I may. supposedly this c-60 has some kind of "turbo mode" in which the cpu can do 1.3GHz when necessary, how can i see if that's working or not?
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21:19<jcrowgey>I guess I can start some cpu intensive programs and then cat cpuinfo? or is there a more principled way?
21:21<jcrowgey>i'm doing it the stoopid way: cpu is running at 95--100% now and cat /proc/cpuinfo is still saying 1000MHz, does this mean that the "turbo" isn't working?
21:21<jjholt>jcrowgey, under /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq cat scaling_max_freq or cpuinfo_max_freq
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21:22<jjholt>that should tell the max speed your cpu can handle
21:22<jcrowgey>those say 1000000, so i guess this "turbo" thing isn't working or isn't set up. I'm guessing this means i need to build a new kernel or something.
21:23<jjholt>I don't have much experience with AMD on my intel box cpuinfo_max_freq lists the turbo boost freq my pcu is suppose to have
21:23<jjholt>*cpu
21:24<jcrowgey>jjholt: I'll do somee googling to see what i can turn up. thanks a lot for the pointers to /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/
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21:25<jjholt>jcrowgey, no problem
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21:30<jcrowgey>for the record, this page has some great info about the turbo mode on the amd processors: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=91770
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22:31<koko>hello guys
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22:32<koko>any suggestion where room to talk about .vimrc?
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22:34<abrotman>#vim on Freenode
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22:35<koko>oh okay
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