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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-08-06

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00:15<viviivi>Hi, I would like to automatically download and install update in debian stable. is there a famous script to mix with a crontab?
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00:33<squinty>viviivi, https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades
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00:52<ichi>hey i had a question could anyone maybe give me some advice on what to do?
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00:55<r6ku>!ask
00:55<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
00:56<ichi>okay sweet sorry first time im running linux and irc heard its the best way of support so yeah well...
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00:58<ichi>so im running 64bit with 8gb of ram and when i transfer data too or from a usb storage device in excess of 50gb or so my system freezes or hangs up i can move my mouse but nothing else
00:59<ichi>i have read that its related to the kernel and it useing dirty_background_ratio instead of dirty_background_bytes
01:00<ichi>because that part of the kernel is still based on when systems were using 8MG to 64MG
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01:03<jm_>that problem has been discussed on LKML not so long ago, try to find that thread
01:05<ichi>i suppose no one hear has problems transferring data too or from usb storage devices do?
01:05<ichi>ill start searching right now
01:07<jm_>IIRC the problem manifests itself more with slow USB devices - I do have problems, but of different kind, that's USB 3 related though
01:07<jm_>and yeah I also noticed things can slow down, it just wasn't as extreme as for you
01:07<jm_>(and very rarely that happened too)
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01:10<ichi>now you say USB 3 because it does happen on my USB 3 portable HDD i just dont have USB 3 on my mobo yet. what were you problems with them and how did you fix them?
01:12<jm_>kernel reports USB errors and it just drops the device, what's idiotic though is that copying continued as if the device was there, just nothing was really written to it; I solve it in two ways: a) copy little by little, 5min at a time, wait 30s, contiunue and so on, or b) hook it up to USB 2.0 port
01:14<ichi>oh okay yeah thats what im faced with is little by little transfers but when i have 1TB to 2TB of data i would just like the let is all go at once
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01:14<ichi>but i also just have my USB 3 devises into all USB 2.0
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01:18<ichi>another question have i have always heard if personal prefernce is swap space.. how big right now im just doing 1.5x my RAM but what do you guys think?
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01:20<tara>Подскпжите по командам ircи
01:20<horror404>hey i have a problem with drivers wifi in debian8
01:21<horror404>anybody can hel me?
01:21<horror404>help me!
01:21<tara>(no us language
01:21<tara>Sorry
01:22<horror404>the drivers: Intel Corporation Wireless 3160 [8086:08b3] (rev 83)
01:22<horror404>spanish!
01:22<horror404>??
01:22<tara>Russian
01:22<horror404>ora
01:22<horror404>im form mex
01:22<horror404>from mex
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01:22<horror404>i do not speak russ, and my fuck us language is fuck it
01:22<horror404>hohoh
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01:23<horror404>entonces que putas hacen aca si no puede ayudar a resolver problemas}
01:23<tara>Bay
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01:25<jm_>!es
01:25<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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01:25<jm_>!iwl3160
01:25<dpkg>The Intel Dual Band Wireless AC (802.11ac, a/b/g/n compatible) 7000 series (e.g. 7260: PCI ID 8086:08b1, 3160: PCI ID 8086:08b3) is supported by <iwlwifi> since Linux 3.10. Firmware is required and packaged for Debian since firmware-iwlwifi 0.39. Debian 7 "Wheezy" users: ask me about <bdo kernel> and install firmware-iwlwifi from <wheezy-backports>. See also <btusb>.
01:27<horror404>ok
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01:27<ichi>well thank you for your input jm_
01:28<r6ku>ichi: I have 4gb of ram and no swap, it really depends on your usage case
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01:30<ichi>is swap really for like tons of multitasking??
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01:31<r6ku>it's for when you run out of ram, if you're nowhere near close to maxing it out then there's really not much point in having swap
01:31<Benjaminhusky>if you run out of physical memory,it can be useful
01:37<squinty>also hibernation on lappies
01:37<Benjaminhusky>but,then again,it is always nice to have a bit of swap,so,if you do run out of physical memory,you always have an area to reclaim into
01:38<ichi>okay good to know
01:38<r6ku>+1 to hibernation, slipped my mind
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03:38<at0m|c>hibernation was nice when i had 128MB of RAM
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05:59<krymzon>Hi, silly problem: I've damaged my /etc/systemd/system/sshd.service and I can't find the original in any packages, or anywhere. Where should I look?
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06:01<jm_>it's in /lib/systemd/system/ssh.service
06:01<krymzon>jm_: thank you very much!
06:02<jm_>no problem
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10:00<trico>where is grub2's root device set?
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10:56<f-a>I get this error when running apt-get http://paste.debian.net/289754/
10:56<f-a>(I tampered with manually deleting some ghc files)
10:56<f-a>is there any way to fix it
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10:59<centrx>f-a, Uninstall the package that contained those files and reinstall it?
10:59<centrx>f-a, may require some --force-X
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11:01<f-a>ok centrx , I will try this
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11:09<andrew>so, been having a fun time with a dual boot scenario
11:10<andrew>tried out Windows 10, and its awful. wanted to throw ubuntu on a second HDD so I could start making the switch from WIn gaming to linux gaming
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11:11<andrew>when i boot from a live usb i get a grub command prompt, and nothing else
11:11<mtn>andrew, why not use debian? if you want ubuntu, please go to the ubuntu channel
11:11<andrew>tried Debian, and ubuntu.
11:12<duclicsic>andrew: you may have to disable secure/trusted boot in your bios
11:12<andrew>Debian has alway been my go to, but I thought ubuntu might be better for a gaming rig. nothing works, so im thinking it may be a MS issue
11:13<andrew>disabled secure and trusted boot, and fast boot. enabled legacy
11:14<andrew>i thought it may have been because of ubuntu 15.04, so i went back to my trusted debian stable, and got the same issue
11:15<squinty>https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Troubleshooting
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11:19<trico>how do i 'update-from-grub-legacy'? i get command not foudn when i try to run that
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11:20<centrx>trico, It's upgrade not update
11:20<centrx>trico, (https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=545334)
11:20<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/545334 in grub-pc (closed): «grub-pc: update-from-grub-legacy missing»; severity: normal; opened: 2009-09-06; last modified: 2009-10-05.
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11:20<trico>centrx: doh, so it is, thanks
11:21<andrew>squinty: I tried most of that, until I hit a wall. Most of the troubleshooting suggests booting from a live disk and running boot-repair. I'm getting this from my live usb, so i'm kinda thrown. also, ls gives my 2 HDDs and (memdisk) which has grub.cfg on it. you think that might be a usb error? Or am i not seeing some stupid setting Win10 has...
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11:22<petn-randall>andrew: If Windows 10 was installed via UEFI, and you turn legacy mode on, it'll be unbootable. Better to leave it on UEFI mode all the way.
11:22<petn-randall>andrew: Also, you can install in legacy mode and boot it afterwards in UEFI mode, or vice-versa. That's a common pitfall.
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11:34<andrew>petn-randall: I get the same thing trying to boot with legacy disable as when its enabled. the only change that really seems to matter is setting the windows boot manager as the primary option, because then it boots to windows instead of the grub cmd prompt
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12:27<cdk>is there a channel for backbox?
12:27<centrx>blackbox?
12:28<f-a>cdk: there is on freenode, unno here
12:28<Merce>what?
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12:28<centrx>cdk, Found this: https://www.facebook.com/backbox.linux/posts/276448762416203
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12:28<Merce>hello
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12:29<cdk>ok does anyone here know anything about this os
12:29<centrx>!backbox
12:29<dpkg>BackBox Linux is a distribution based on <Ubuntu>, developed to perform penetration tests and security assessments. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.backbox.org/ #backbox on irc.autistici.org. See also <based on debian>.
12:30<cdk>ok
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12:31<thomas>hi
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12:31<centrx>!ask
12:31<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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12:47<msantana>Merce: please, stop to talk in private and say what you want here
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12:49<Merce>Santana: I do not seek anything
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12:49<centrx>Merce, Try #moocows
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12:50<cabessa>whois cabessa
12:51<mtn>you are
12:52<Merce>hello
12:52<mtn>Merce, hi, do you have a Debian support question?
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12:53<centrx>!privmsg
12:53<dpkg>privmsg is, like, Dont /MSG or /QUERY people without asking them first. It can be annoying.
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12:54<Merce>hello, my problem is that chat and sought to learn German and have recommended this channel
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12:55<cdk>mtn: no she does not have a question she is just phishing
12:55<Merce>what?
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12:56<Merce>ok , bay
12:56<Merce>bey
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12:57<medicalwei>What I can say is, this is Debian (GNU/Linux, an OS) support channel, not a German learning channel.
12:58<cdk>thank you she is begining to get on my nerves
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12:58*medicalwei wants that German learning channel, too.
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13:00<Merce>goodbye do not want me here
13:00<cdk>its really bad that merce was trying to hook up with me on personal chat.
13:00<Merce>I am an innocent girl
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13:02<centrx>Just because he's a girl doesn't mean he is trying to hook up with you
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13:04<Merce> You want to talk to me?
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13:04<cdk>centrx: i open a personal messageing with you and am sendinmg you something
13:04<centrx>Merce, This channel is for Debian-related topics and support
13:04<centrx>cdk, yeah I accepted, it didn't work
13:04<centrx>Merce, Visit #moocows for chat
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13:06<cdk>try it agian now
13:06*medicalwei is reminded of "My boyfriend was eaten by GNOME", categorized to Empathy.
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13:07<cdk>did you get it?
13:08<Merce>ye have ever been in Spain?
13:08<medicalwei>https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=626593
13:08<centrx>cdk it's not working, could be the intertubes
13:08<medicalwei>Not here *w*
13:08<centrx>cdk, anyway, I believe you
13:08<medicalwei>Merce, use the command /join #moocow
13:08<Merce>ok
13:09<cdk>ok
13:09<medicalwei>…ah, missed a s
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13:10<Merce>beautiful
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13:11<Brigo>Merce, someone told you to join this channel to learn Geman??
13:11<Brigo>German*
13:11<centrx>makes sense
13:11<Merce>and please let me
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13:12*centrx makes a joke about sending him to the German Debian channel
13:12<Brigo>or #debian-offtopic
13:13<medicalwei>That would be more troublesome if it is not a talk channel
13:13<Merce>if you want me to tell me something in Spanish
13:13<Brigo>medicalwei, this is not talk channel, this is a support channel.
13:14<Brigo>Merce, if you want you to tell you?
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13:15<Merce>Escribe texto o la dirección de un sitio web, o bien, traduce un documento.
13:15<Merce>Cancelar
13:15<Merce>Quizás quisiste decir: if you want you tell you
13:15<Merce>you tell me in Spanish what you want to say and let me and bothering me because I'm going out of chat
13:15-!-Merce was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.]
13:15<centrx>Well done debhelper
13:16<centrx>!next
13:16<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
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13:16<Brigo>XD
13:17<zuul>After running dsck-p as root in maintenence mode, my Jessie install drops me at a white underscore screen after running checks. Annybody have any ideas?
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13:23<medicalwei>zuul, if you have a camera or a camera phone, send us a picture of the screen.
13:23<medicalwei>What does it say, actually
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13:25<Brigo>dsck-p?
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13:25<zuul>nedicalwei :Alright, just a moment. It doesn't say anything, all of the tests seem to pass and then it drops me on the screen.
13:26<zuul>Brigo: Sorry, I meant fsck. I was getting a corrupted filesystem error so I followed an online guide and ran it. Could that have broken something?
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13:29<medicalwei>Corrupted filesystem could have no hope...
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13:34<zuul>http://a.uguu.se/qwjtor.jpg
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13:35<zuul>Alright, it's more curiosity than anything else now. There was nothing important on the computer and I make backups of everything that is.
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13:44<medicalwei>So, it is actually safe to have reinstallation, zuul?
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13:44<zuul>It is. Should I just do that?
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13:45<medicalwei>zuul: if reinstalling can save your time.
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13:46<zuul>Alright, I'm up for it. Thanks#
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13:47<medicalwei>Hope I didn't say something wrong
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14:18<jljusten>Anyone else seeing strange dependency issues with libstdc++6 (on sid)?
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14:19<bieyeik2aX>jljusten: testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net)
14:19<jljusten>A package won't upgrade, because it wants libstdc++6 (>= 4.6), but I have 5.2.1-14 installed
14:19<jljusten>bieyeik2aX: okay. thanks!
14:19<bieyeik2aX>jljusten: np
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14:36<Pucciano>hi there! I need help with the DKIM1 TXT record für my dns. I have some output with amavisd-new showkeys but i get have trouble to split the record (4096 bit)
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14:58<cheako>Are there any OSK for the Linux Console? Touch screen devices without keyboards or with bluetooth keyboards are starting to take over the market.
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15:18<throne777>Does Jessie support Intel HD graphics (with 3d acceleration, works as it should, blah blah blah) straight out of the box? Googling around the issue hasn't provided me with a firm answer
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15:19<sney>it depends on which intel gpu but generally yes.
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15:20<sney>the only caveat is that some gpus may be too new for the current stable kernel. but otherwise, intel hardware is fully supported. they even contribute their own kernel drivers most of the time, iirc
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15:22<throne777>So on this page: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/207855/cant-get-intel-hd-5500-graphics-to-work-with-debian
15:22<throne777>I didn't really know what to look for at the glxinfo command to know whether it's an issue that's affecting me or not
15:22<sney>again just a question of the gpu being too new
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15:23<throne777>Ah OK
15:23<sney>'glxinfo |grep Direct' will tell you if direct rendering is enabled, which is X-speak for hardware acceleration
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15:25<throne777>"No protocol specified. Error: unable to open display :0"
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15:27<throne777>So is that X-speak for 'Nope'?
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15:28<centrx>throne777, no display found running
15:29<sney>glxinfo does nothing if it can't find the display. so either you tried to run that as root, or X isn't running.
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15:32<throne777>Whoops, ran as root (or rather, was in root, forgot to exit). Running that command as normal user does nothing
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15:33<sney>sorry, lower case d in direct. it used to be upper
15:34<throne777>"direct rendering: Yes
15:34<throne777> GL_ARB_draw_elements_base_vertex, GL_ARB_draw_indirect,
15:34<throne777> GL_ARB_map_buffer_range, GL_ARB_multi_bind, GL_ARB_multi_draw_indirect, "
15:34<throne777>Does that mean I'm good to go?
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15:36<sney>yep
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15:37<throne777>Oh good
15:37<throne777>Thanks for the help
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17:23<exoplanet>hi is there a graphic that explains debians package management? Like this one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel#/media/File:Linux_AMD_graphics_stack.svg
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17:24<centrx>exoplanet, Explains what part of it?
17:24<centrx>(experimental -->) unstable --> testing --> stable --> oldstable --> oldoldstable
17:24<exoplanet>How they interact. Which part uses which. apt-get → dpkg → ar etc.
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17:25<centrx>oh ok
17:25<centrx>dpkg is the package manager
17:25<dpkg>centrx: I don't know, could you explain it?
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17:26<centrx>*the fundamental package/file manager
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17:26<centrx>apt is a tool that handles installing from repositories instead of files, automatically installing dependencies, etc.
17:27<centrx>ar is just a simple archive used in the .deb file format
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17:28<centrx>a .deb Debian package is really an ar file with well-defined format and scripts to be used by dpkg
17:28<exoplanet>But which tool does handles the ar? dpkg it self or does it invoke tar or something else?
17:29<centrx>There's an executable named 'ar' which dpkg invokes
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17:29<centrx>tar stands for 'tape archive'
17:29<centrx>originally for tape drives
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17:44<Ariel>hola
17:44<centrx>holla
17:44-!-Ariel is now known as Guest902
17:44<Guest902>necesito ayuda
17:45<Guest902>no recuerdo la contraseña para mi usuario
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17:45<centrx>!es
17:45<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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18:21<Cracolo> hi all ! i have this output in terminal, u know how fix it ?? Debian 8, gnome 3, intel+nvidia grafics$ glxinfo | grep 'dir\|^Open'
18:21<Cracolo>libGL error: unable to load driver: i965_dri.so
18:21<Cracolo>libGL error: driver pointer missing
18:21<Cracolo>libGL error: failed to load driver: i965
18:21<Cracolo>libGL error: unable to load driver: swrast_dri.so
18:21<Cracolo>libGL error: failed to load driver: swrast
18:21<Cracolo>X Error of failed request: GLXBadContext
18:21<Cracolo> Major opcode of failed request: 156 (GLX)
18:21<Cracolo> Minor opcode of failed request: 6 (X_GLXIsDirect)
18:21<Cracolo> Serial number of failed request: 53
18:21<Cracolo> Current serial number in output stream: 52
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18:30<Turtle_Tennis>helo
18:30<Turtle_Tennis>need halp
18:30<mtn>!ask
18:30<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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18:43<abrotman>Nah, I'll quit instead ..
18:44<mtn>heh
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20:16<logdashin>anyone
20:16<logdashin>?
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20:23<abrotman>impatient people .. jeez
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21:07<epqr032>Hello. Im trying to set up a PXE boot image. I can't get isc-dhcp-server to start, and the only thing I can see from the error logs are that it failed. I'm thinking there might be another dhcpcd server running, since the pxe boot on my desktop says "no boot filename recevied" even if the isc, dnsmasq or tftpd-hpa are running. Any ideas?
21:08<epqr032>are NOT running*
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21:08<Brigo>epqr032, what is the output of pgrep -l dhcp ?
21:09<epqr032>nothing
21:09<Brigo>epqr032, then i think there is no other dhcp proccess running in the system.
21:09<Brigo>epqr032, are you using jessie with systemd?
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21:12<epqr032>Yes
21:13<Brigo>epqr032, and that is all the information you get from journalctl?
21:13<epqr032>journalctl gives nothing, if i am not doing it completely wrong
21:13<epqr032>journalctl -xn
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21:14<epqr032>● isc-dhcp-server.service - LSB: DHCP server
21:14<epqr032> Loaded: loaded (/etc/init.d/isc-dhcp-server)
21:14<epqr032> Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Fri 2015-08-07 03:08:44 CEST; 17s ago
21:14<epqr032> Process: 8258 ExecStart=/etc/init.d/isc-dhcp-server start (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE)
21:14-!-epqr032 was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.]
21:14<Brigo>epqr032, that error, is the normal error when no PXE server are running. Did you try the debian wiki? https://wiki.debian.org/PXEBootInstall
21:14<Brigo>ups
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21:15<epqr032>sorry, tried to use the bot
21:15<epqr032>http://paste.debian.net/289917/
21:16<Brigo>epqr032, are you runnign journalctl as root?
21:17<epqr032>No, I am not. Not familiar with it sorry about that
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21:17<Brigo>epqr032, that error, is the normal error when no PXE server are running. Did you try the debian wiki? https://wiki.debian.org/PXEBootInstall
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21:18<epqr032>Yes that is the guide I have have been trying to follow
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21:22<epqr032>what I don't get is that accoring to this http://bit.ly/1MdOfjz, the message "no boot filename recevied" should come if there is contact, but the file is not found. From what I understad
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21:23<Brigo>epqr032, no, if there ir contact you should get PXE-E32: TFTP open timeout
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21:23<Brigo>that mean dhcp server are running ok, but you lack the tftp server.
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21:24<epqr032>no that is the thing. The isc-dhcp-server is not running.
21:24<Brigo>then you get no boot filename recevied, right
21:25<epqr032>Yes
21:25<Brigo>the wiki tell it in the very first: https://wiki.debian.org/PXEBootInstall#Activate_PXE_boot
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21:27<epqr032>Oh ok. Sorry about that. I'll try to read it again thoroughly, and come back if I still don't get it
21:27<Brigo>epqr032, i am going to sleep. Good luck :)
21:27<epqr032>thanks
21:28<Brigo>epqr032, yw :)
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