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02:25<devslash>does debian come with a firewall by default
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02:27<themill>devslash: the kernel has all the firewall bits available, but nothing is configured
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02:28<devslash>is ufw a good application to use ? I dont understand ip table very well
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02:35<salad>I find it doesn't often apply the rules I give it until I reboot
02:35<salad>Aside from that it's good, easy to use.
02:35<salad>gufw is a nice tool to manage it with a gui
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02:37<jm_>understanding iptables is mandatory in any case or you'll just make a mistake someday
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02:38<sha123>hi all, I am looking for somebody who knows about usb_dongles.
02:39<sha123>I have put up my issue at http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=124007
02:39<sha123>can anyone help.
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02:51<somiaj>sha123: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=18996 -- is that your device, seems there are some instructions to get it working in wheezy, something similar may work in jessie
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03:23<twb>Hey, is there an obvious list of things like /var/lib/dpkg/info that I can omit from read-only debian live builds, to save space & speed up build time?
03:24<twb>Because my builds run airgapped & don't need to install/remove packages at runtime
03:25<twb>Hpmh, that's only 50MB so it's more negligible than I thought
03:26<twb>(I'm already skipping stuff debian-policy says are caches, like /var/lib/apt/lists & /var/cache/apt/archives.)
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03:44<phil123_>Hi
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03:46<phil123_>I have got a problem with priorities of and packages / repositories in apt is anybody here that knows something about apt pinning?^^
03:47<jm_>!bat
03:47<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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03:51<phil123_>Hi thanks. I have 2 machines same sources.list but apt-policy output is different:
03:51<phil123_>http://paste.debian.net/289971/
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03:52<phil123_>I wanted to add another repository (deb http://packages.icinga.org/debian icinga-jessie main) which has a never version of the icinga2 package, which does not get installed due to the priority even if its never
03:52<phil123_>icinga2:
03:52<phil123_> Installiert: 2.1.1-1
03:52<phil123_> Installationskandidat: 2.1.1-1
03:52<phil123_> Versionstabelle:
03:52<phil123_> 2.3.8~jessie 0
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03:54<phil123_>ups. new paste: http://paste.debian.net/289972/
03:56<somiaj>phil123_: the pinning of 990 on the security repo is what is making the version from your additional repo not default. You can change this in various ways, I think adding a -t icinga-jessie to the apt-get command will do the trick
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03:56<somiaj>though that may just pin it at 990, not sure why your security sources are pinned so high
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03:58<twb>I prefer apt-get install foo/<release> first, rather than -t <release> foo, because otherwise it will prefer <release> for *all* the deps
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03:58<somiaj>you can also do package=version and force it to install a paticular version too
03:58<twb>If it's something like libreoffice then you have to manually add in a bunch more libreoffice-bit/<release>, tho
03:58<twb>Right
03:59<twb>I just got screwed once by doing something like "apt-get install -t unstable xorg"
03:59<twb>Or rather -t unstable gnome, and accidentally also getting the unstable version of xorg
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03:59<phil123_>On the bottom of the paste I copied in the output of apt-policy for the package I want to install.
04:00<somiaj>phil123_: correct, for some reason your main jessie sources are pinned at 990, this is probably a cusomt config set somewhere
04:00<phil123_>Okay,
04:00<phil123_>In which file this might be set?
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04:01<somiaj>I think it is some wehre in /etc/apt
04:01<phil123_>I read about apt pinning and the always are about /etc/apt/preferences but I don't have that file
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04:01<phil123_>nor the preferences.d directory
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04:02<somiaj>though usually having the main repo pinned higher than third party repos is nice, and use one of the options mentioned to force intsalling software from this other repo
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04:02<phil123_>But that doesn't explain why it is like that :) Can Repos set their priorities?
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04:04<somiaj>phil123_: yes, but offical debian repos set it at 500, as I said it is strange they are at 990
04:04<somiaj>so it is probably in a config file somewhere in apt
04:04<twb>somiaj: default-release pulls it up
04:05<ErebusC>hey, I just installed debian last night but when I tried to boot up, it kept stalling at /dev/sda4 clean
04:05<phil123_>Is there something I can grep for?
04:05<twb>somiaj: viz. http://sprunge.us/PDJA
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04:08<phil123_>Okay guys thanks for your help! Found it!
04:09<phil123_>There was a "release" file in the /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ directory
04:09<phil123_>Containing: http://paste.debian.net/289972/
04:09<phil123_>sorry not that
04:09<phil123_>containing: APT::Default-Release "stable";
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04:09<phil123_>I removed it now everything is alright
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04:11<phil123_>Thanks for your help :) Have a nice day
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04:14<ErebusC>hey, I just installed debian last night but when I tried to boot it, it kept stalling at /dev/sda clean. Anyone know what causes this issue?
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04:18<twb>The thing is, icinga's repo would have Just Worked for him iff they had called it jessie or jessie/icinga instead of icinga-jessie
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04:21<jm_>ErebusC: are you saying it doesn't boot at all?
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04:22<ErebusC>yeah, after awhile it will then reboot
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04:22<somiaj>sounds like it is booting but something is wrong with the drive/file system making it puase/halt when checking the file systems
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04:26<twb>Has anybody tried backporting current inkscape to jessie?
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04:26<jm_>judd checkbackport inkscape
04:27<twb>Hm https://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg1343029.html
04:27<judd>Backporting package inkscape in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie, virtual.
04:27<ErebusC>somiaj, ah I see, when I get home I will boot into windows and see if i can run some tests
04:27<ErebusC>thanks for the help
04:27<twb>0.48 -> 0.91 is a big jump y'see
04:27<jm_>no need to boot into windows, test it in linux instead and look at what journalctl shows for it
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04:30<ErebusC>how do I check that? whenever i try to boot the system quickly becomes unresponsive
04:31<jm_>so it doesn't boot then?
04:31<twb>Boot with break=bottom or break and see if the problem occurs while still in the ramdisk
04:31<ErebusC><ErebusC> yeah, after awhile it will then reboot
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04:31<ErebusC>by that i means it takes me back to grub
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04:32<jm_>how long does it take?
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04:36<twb>Blergh, inkscape is compiling with MAKEFLAGS=j1... soooo sloooow
04:37<ErebusC>a few seconds to go unresponsive a minute or two before it takes me back to grub
04:37<twb>90s is a common systemd timeout FWIW
04:38<jm_>try booting with init=/bin/bash
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04:49<ErebusC>Ok, I will try that when I get home. Thanks for the help
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04:52<jm_>do you know how to do that?
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04:54<ErebusC>haha, I am a noob but I should be able to do that much
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05:04<jcarlos> /msg dpkg jessie
05:04<jcarlos>Ups
05:04<jcarlos>Sorry
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05:05<twb>Woo, inkscape finished backporting
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05:05<jm_>note that when booting with init=/bin/bash standard stuff like ctrl-alt-del won't work so you need to reboot/poweroff using CLI
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05:06<twb>jm_: or job control -- openvt FTW
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05:07<Guest969>Oh okay
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06:06<salad>Hey, I've got a laptop that's stuck with an intel wireless wifi card because of a bios whitelist. The wired network port on it is broken.
06:07<jm_>my symphaties
06:07<salad>I installed debian on it without the iwlwifi packages as it's not included in the installer. Now that it's installed I've manually downloaded iwlwifi on another pc, and installed it with dpkg
06:07<salad>I'm kinda lost as to what to do next though. ifconfig shows only the loopback adapter, and /etc/network/interfaces only has loopback as well?
06:08<jm_>you would need to use installer with non-free firmware on it, so also make sure you have that installed now
06:08<twb>salad: does "ip l" list the interface?
06:08<salad>ip l does list the interface!
06:08<twb>jm_: he needs to install firmware-iwlwifi ?
06:09<jm_>https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi#Configure_Interface
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06:09<jm_>twb: probably not as the interface is there, not sure
06:09<twb>https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi especially
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06:09<twb>Maybe the iface doesn't appear until after the driver has its blobby blobby blobs
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06:10<jm_>yeah that's what I am thinking so if 'ip l' shows it, it must be there
06:10<twb>Oh I misread!
06:10<salad>I guess I just need to set up /etc/network/interfaces to use it now?
06:10<twb>salad: depends how you want to do it. This is how I do it: http://cyber.com.au/~twb/snarf/wifi.txt
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06:11<twb>salad: jm_'s link explains more normal ways
06:12<twb>I wonder how hard it is to use systemd-networkd with a wifi iface
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06:14<salad>tyvm all trying this stuff now
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06:23<salad>got confused and opted to download the iso with nonfree firmware
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06:24<salad>hopefully it's a little easier to use
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06:25<esa>anyone else still suffering from the early sigkill on reboot issue after updating to 8.1 ?
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06:26<twb>esa: got a bug number?
06:27<esa>784720
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06:29<twb>I've seen behaviour *like* that, up until at least yesterday, but I assumed it was my fault
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06:30<twb>e.g. with "ssh -f host reboot" the ssh client wouldn't see a clean hang up from the server, it would time out
06:31<twb>Hm. That's odd. ssh -f slice,het /sbin/reboot; echo $? ==> 255, but it does so instantly. So maybe I misdiagnosed the issue.
06:31<esa>i have a php script which tells via sudo to execute a reboot and apache gets killed so fast that it doesn't even finish serving up the page
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06:33<twb>esa: OK my ssh is still returning an error code, but it's not timing out anymore
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06:38<esa>twb: something just seems fishy. i'm not used to boxes which shut down in a couple of seconds even with dependency based init. if no one else has seen this then i too will assume it's caused by something else. oh well. time to debug
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06:39<jm_>i haven't seen it, my system is not fully up to date though so if some update after jessie release introduced it that would explain why
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06:48<Guest978>idea:h@ckth1s1115
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06:51<twb>esa: one problem I had was it stops logging as early as possible, so you have to do dirty tricks to debug shutdown
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06:55<esa>twb: sounds a bit nasty
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06:58<Guest978>exit
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06:58<twb>Guest978: /quit
06:58<Guest978>ty
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06:59<twb>I should've just logged into his system and done it for him :P
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07:07<sugoooi>Hi everyone, I'm new to Debian (aka I don't f--ing know what I'm doing) and I can't get the sound to work. I get an "hda-intel no codec found" error on boot. Can somebody help me please? :(
07:08<jm_>which debian version is it?
07:08<sugoooi>It's a fresh install
07:09<sugoooi>of Jessie
07:09<sugoooi>64 bit
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07:10<sugoooi>I tried running the lspci command and my soundcard appears on the list
07:10<sugoooi>00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04)
07:10<sugoooi>but alsa doesn't recognize it at all
07:12<jm_>have you tried playing any sounds? does 'aplay -l' list devices?
07:12<sugoooi>aplay: device_list:268: no soundcards found...
07:12<sugoooi>and I did, but no sound came from the speakers
07:13<sugoooi>I was told to try and install the kernel from http://liquorix.net/
07:13<sugoooi>but it didn't change anything
07:13<jm_>have you checked what kernel reports?
07:13<sugoooi>how do I check that?
07:13<jm_>dmesg, put it on pastebin, /msg dpkg paste
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07:14<petn-randall>sugoooi: We don't recommend using other kernels, as there's no way to know if they have security vulnerabilities or incompatabilities.
07:15<sugoooi>okay then, I'll uninstall
07:15<jm_>I have 8 series/C220 here and it works OK so it's strange that older stuff wouldn't work
07:15<jm_>it probably left debian kernels on system so just select debian's kernel at boot
07:15<jm_>but in long run it's best to remove it
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07:16<sugoooi>http://pastebin.com/3sLxgJwZ
07:16<sugoooi>is that alright?
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07:18<sugoooi>the related lines seem to be
07:18<sugoooi>[ 5.365626] snd_hda_intel 0000:01:00.1: Disabling MSI
07:18<sugoooi>[ 5.365632] snd_hda_intel 0000:01:00.1: Handle VGA-switcheroo audio client
07:18<sugoooi>[ 5.371099] snd_hda_intel 0000:00:1b.0: no codecs found!
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07:20<sugoooi>I was kicked for flood, haha. Sorry about that
07:20<sugoooi>I'll be wiser next time to use http://paste.debian.net/
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07:23<sugoooi>anyway, it doesn't seem to be bound to Debian solely,
07:23<jm_>maybe this helps http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Help_To_Debug_Intel_HDA
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07:24<sugoooi>oh thanks, I'll check it out right now
07:24<jm_>in particular, the '"model" parameter' section
07:24<jm_>for my C220 it shows ALC221
07:24<jm_>do you have windows on this system?
07:24<jm_>have you tried any other linux on it?
07:24<sugoooi>I did about a week ago, and the sound was working pretty well.
07:24<sugoooi>Sound doesn't seem to work on Arch Linux either, if that's what you mean
07:25<jm_>yeah I wanted to know if sound worked there
07:26<jm_>also a newer kernel is worth trying, but it's not in backports yet
07:27<sugoooi>wait, how do I even check the model parameter value?
07:27<jm_>I don't understand the question
07:27<sugoooi>the snd-hda-intel module
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07:28<sugoooi>how can I change parameters regarding to this module?
07:28<jm_>you don't have it set by default
07:29<jm_>man modprobe.d
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07:35<sugoooi>it says online that I should opt the module on /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
07:35<sugoooi>but that file doesn't seem to exist on my system
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07:36<inkbottle>Hi, any idea of what trigger bluetooth re-connection of a device (keyboard); because it can take 10 sec. or 1 min. I think there might be events which trigger reconnection in addition to that the device is asking for it. (I've already found this: http://www.bluez.org/proximity-link-loss-and-find-me/ "re-connect")
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07:37<jm_>create /ec/modprobe.d/mysound.conf and put it there
07:37<jm_>/etc too
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07:48<salad>Stuck again with my wifi. Managed to get the installer to pick up the non-free drivers using this guide: https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/how-to-provide-non-free-firmware-files-to-the-debian-jessie-installer-4175542680/
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07:49<salad>But it just won't connect.
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07:49<salad>SSID & password work fine on other devices. Same story with the unofficial debian installer that has the non-free drivers rolled into it.
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07:50<salad>Normally the wifi light flickers between blue/orange when I use it (under linux mint), doesn't at all during the debian installer.
07:50<salad>Just sits there on orange =\
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08:01<inkbottle>salad: what about making the installation with a rj-45 cable?
08:02<salad>inkbottle: Port is mangled beyond all repair.
08:02<salad>bent pins
08:02<inkbottle>that is bad
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08:06<salad>yeah
08:06<inkbottle>salad: wifi access point is opened to everyone?
08:06<salad>yep
08:07<salad>it worked fine on this machine under linux mint
08:07<salad>machine is definitely capable of wifi under linux
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08:08<inkbottle>what is the chipset for the wifi?
08:08<salad>think it's intel pro 5100
08:09<jm_>lspci -nn will tell you
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08:13<salad>jm_: Intel Pro Wireless 5100 AGN
08:13<jm_>salad: and the numbers in [] are?
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08:15<salad>0280
08:15<jm_>there are two numbers, 8086 is the first?
08:15<salad>and then 8086:4237
08:16<jm_>judd pciid 8086:4237
08:16<judd>[8086:4237] is 'PRO/Wireless 5100 AGN [Shiloh] Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'iwlwifi', 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:4237 http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi
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08:16<jm_>you have that and followed the docs from the wiki, right?
08:16<jm_>that's where my knowledge stops since I don't use wifi
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08:16<jm_>with that I mean 'iwlwifi'
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08:18<Tanck>it's the pilote charger for interface wifi
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08:20<salad>the stuff on the debian wiki assumes you've already got a network connection, so, not much help
08:20<salad>also does the same when installed manually after the fact
08:20<salad>after the install I mean
08:20<jm_>no it's to get it to make a connection
08:21<jm_>it has info about driver/firmware needed + configuration info
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08:21<jm_>obviously split over several resources
08:22<jm_>but off now
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08:22<salad>think I'm just going to go back to mint, the amount of effort expended here is well beyond what I can be bothered with
08:22<salad>ty for suggestions anyway
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08:52<salad>well, it works on the non-free live images
08:52<salad>so I guess I'm getting debian after all! =D <3
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08:55<milthon>hola
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08:56<milthon>algien sabe como solucionar el problema de wifi en ubuntu?
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08:59<milthon>anyone knows how to fix the problem wifi on ubuntu ?
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09:00<salad>probably have more luck in #ubuntu on freenode
09:00<babilen>dpkg: ubuntu
09:00<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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09:08<phale>hello, i'm having issues with my network connection on debian 8 jessie, most notably: lag and disconnection
09:09<petn-randall>phale: Wifi?
09:09<phale>yes
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09:13<phale>petn-randall: i tried changing wifi cards if that helps
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09:14<petn-randall>phale: Most wifi needs firmware to properly work. Do you know which wifi model you are using?
09:14<phale>petn-randall: ralink
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09:15<phale>this is my dongle
09:15<phale>"ralink edup" or whatever
09:15<petn-randall>phale: I don't remember which devices it were, but some work a little bit without firmware, but then fail to connect to WPA, or have really low throughput.
09:15<phale>well speaking of WPA
09:15<phale>sometimes in the logs it says something about a passphrase being incorrect
09:15<phale>while its correct
09:15<petn-randall>phale: Can you run lsusb and lspci as root, and then check which line is your device? paste that one line here in the channel.
09:15<phale>ok
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09:17<phale>lspci: 03:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8188CE 802.11b/g/n WiFi Adapter (rev 01)
09:17<phale>lsusb: Bus 001 Device 003: ID 148f:5370 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT5370 Wireless Adapter
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09:17<phale>actually
09:17<phale>the realtek one is my built-in adapter
09:17<phale>the second one is my dongle
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09:28<phale>i'm on my laptop now so i apologise if i disconnect
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09:29<petn-randall>phale: Ok, then you got two. Which one doesn't work? You might want to unplug the usb one to test that.
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09:31<phale>ralink rt5370 works
09:31<phale>realtek is the built-in wifi card which i trashed
09:31<phale>im not using the realtek one
09:31<phale>the problem is that both wifi adapters make me lag and disconnect
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09:32<petn-randall>:(
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09:32<phale>sorry, I disconnected
09:33<petn-randall>phale: Sorry, I can't help you anymore, I have to leave. Next steps would be to check if you need firmware, install that and test it. Maybe someone in the channel can continue helping you.
09:33<phale>alright, thanks
09:34<petn-randall>!rtl8188
09:34<dpkg>For support of Realtek 802.11n/802.11ac PCIe devices, ask me about <rtl8192ce>, <rtl8192de>, <rtl8192e>, <rtl8192se>, <rtl8723ae>, <rtl8188ee>, <rtl8723be>. For support of Realtek 802.11n USB devices, ask me about <rtl8192cu>, <r8712u>, <rtl8192u>, <r8723au>, <rtl8188eu>, <rtl8821ae>, <r8192ee>. https://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x
09:34<petn-randall>!rtl8188ce
09:34<dpkg>The Realtek RTL8188CE and RTL8192CE are PCIe 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets (PCI IDs 10ec:8176, 10ec:8177, 10ec:8178, 10ec:8191). mac80211 vendor driver (rtl8192ce) is available since Linux 2.6.38. Firmware is required (rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x
09:34<phale>im talking about the ralink adapter
09:34<phale>i turned off my builtin wifi
09:34<petn-randall>15:31 < phale > ralink rt5370 works
09:34<phale>yes
09:34<phale>but it still maks me lag and disconnect
09:34<petn-randall>Ah, so that is the problematic one, ok.
09:35<petn-randall>!rt5370
09:35<dpkg>Support for Ralink RT53xx USB 802.11n devices (e.g. RT5370: USB IDs 13d3:3329, 13d3:3365, 148f:5370, 148f:5372) was added to the rt2800usb driver at Linux 3.0 (CONFIG_RT2800USB_RT53XX). Ask me about <rt2800usb>.
09:35<petn-randall>!rt2800usb
09:35<dpkg>Ralink 802.11n/g USB chipsets (RT2070, RT2770, RT2870, RT3070, RT3071, RT3072, RT3370, RT3572, RT5370, RT5372, RT5572) are supported by the rt2800usb Linux kernel driver. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware>. https://wiki.debian.org/rt2800usb
09:35<petn-randall>Sorry for the noise
09:35<petn-randall>!tell phale about ralink firmware
09:35<phale>I have installed firmware-ralink a long time ago
09:35<petn-randall>phale: That might fix it for you, check what dpkg sent. After that reboot and check if it works.
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09:40<phale>so uh, can anyone else help me with this issue
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10:16<SpeedyG>hi, I just installed an intel7260 wifi pciex card, seems to work but somehow iwlist scan does not show any results.
10:16<SpeedyG>installed the iwlwifi firmware package, all seems correctly installed
10:16<SpeedyG>how can I get this thin working?
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10:17<SpeedyG>i've been folowing https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse already without much success
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10:25<Brigo>SpeedyG, iwcofig shows your card as a wifi card?
10:25<maxy>SpeedyG: Some cards need to be up before using iwlist scan
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10:26<maxy>btw, do you have any reason to avoid using network-manager?
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10:32<SpeedyG>Brigo: it does, and without bringing it up, it simply says 'cannot scan if not up'
10:32<SpeedyG>once up, it shows no results
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10:34<HiTree>SpeedyG: Did you try to set the regulatory domain with iw reg <countrycode> to your country?
10:35<Brigo>SpeedyG, what is the output of dmesg | grep iwl ? if you have to paste more than 2 lines, paste it in paste.debian.net. If you paste them here you will be banned.
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10:41<SpeedyG>Brigo: http://paste.debian.net/290070/
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10:42<SpeedyG>HiTree: just tried that, no result either
10:43<HiTree>SpeedyG: Are the available wifi-networks hidden? Are they shown on other devices?
10:44<SpeedyG>my network is shown.. plus there's about 10 other networks in the neighborhood that could show up
10:44<SpeedyG>*shown on my laptop, not this device
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10:45<Brigo>SpeedyG, i cannot see any problem :/
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10:45<SpeedyG>Brigo: me neither :(
10:47<Brigo>SpeedyG, i would check the wifi with a recent live cd.
10:48<maxy>SpeedyG: Was the wireless card tested/known to work somewhere else?
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10:48<SpeedyG>maxy: nope, just got it delivered
10:48<HiTree>SpeedyG: is power up? did you load the iwlmvm module with parameter power_scheme=1
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10:49<SpeedyG>HiTree: not sure how to do that
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10:51<HiTree>SpeedyG: ifdown the device, as root: rmmod iwlmvm, modprobe iwlmvm power_scheme=1, ifconfig up the device
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10:51<Brigo>s/ifconfig up/ifup
10:52<HiTree>s/ifdown/ifconfig down
10:52<HiTree>devices not in /etc/network/interfaces can not be ifup/ifdown...
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10:53<HiTree>ifconfig <devicename> down, or ifconfig <devicename> up is required.
10:53<Brigo>HiTree, it is.
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10:54<SpeedyG>it is in /etc/network/interfaces tho
10:54<SpeedyG>due to wpa_supplicant config
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10:54<SpeedyG>but no luck after reloading the iwlmvm module
10:57<SpeedyG>oh and maxy, reason not to use network manager is no gui on the box
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10:58<HiTree>SpeedyG: maybe the livecd-thing suggested by Brigo is a way to go? Is there any hint that the card is working (see question by maxy)?
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10:59<SpeedyG>lemme reboot into this ubuntu usbstick
10:59<SpeedyG>see if it works there
11:00<maxy>SpeedyG: You can use nmcli, not the friendlies thingy, though
11:00<SpeedyG>maxy: if possible, i'd like to stay away from as many packages as possible :)
11:00<SpeedyG>had it to work with a crappy usb-network device which kept loosing connections
11:00<SpeedyG>thats why I ordered this one
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11:03<HiTree>SpeedyG: we'll see if that works out ;-) , maybe that helps. https://askubuntu.com/questions/504695/im-unable-to-get-intel-7260-cb-iwlwifi-to-work-kubuntu-14-04
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11:06<SpeedyG>HiTree: doesnt look too promising tho ;)
11:07<HiTree>SpeedyG: maybe the new firmware and the module parameters suggested in the link help.
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11:08<SpeedyG>seems my fight with wifi isn't over yet ;(
11:08<SpeedyG>been messing around with this box for several days now
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11:12<dzoni>Hello everyone!
11:12<Brigo>SpeedyG, not luck with that ubuntu?
11:14<SpeedyG>Brigo: nope, same issue... but from that post HiTree posted, seems to be a firmware related issue
11:14<dzoni>I need some help with Debian 8 KDE. When I connect to other sites Chromium, Chrome and Firefox browsers blocks for about 2 or 3 seconds and then shows page. It really annoys me and I don't know what's the problem. Connection is not so fast (1.3MB download speed), but on Windows connecting to sites is much faster.
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11:14<Anderson>\list
11:14<Brigo>SpeedyG, some clues finally :)
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11:15<SpeedyG>Brigo: but just had a nice epiphany ;-)
11:15<SpeedyG>got an old (and crappy) laptop here with some hardware issues
11:15<SpeedyG>but a half-decently working broadcom chip which I could use
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11:16<Brigo>SpeedyG, cool! :)
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11:17<SpeedyG>just too bad I didnt think of that before ordering this one ;)
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11:24<SpeedyG>Brigo: but somehow I guess wifi and I will never be friends ;)
11:25<krymzon>question on disabling DHCP NTP overrides, in Wheezy: I have commented out 'ntp-servers' from dhclient.conf and removed the /var/lib/ntp/ntp.conf.dhcp It worked for a moment, but after a reboot it goes back to the (incorrect) DHCP override.
11:26<krymzon>Do I need to rm /etc/dhcp/dhclient-exit-hooks.d/ntp ?
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11:27<dzoni>Wtf, noone answers questions here?!
11:27<mtn>dzoni, they do if they have an answer
11:27<SpeedyG>dzoni: people do, but just be patient
11:27<dzoni>Is this channel for asking questions about debian?
11:27<SpeedyG>dzoni: it is, just not everyone has the same expertise :)
11:27<dzoni>Sorry.
11:28<dzoni>Ok, thanks
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11:34<jimpop>hi guys, https://www.debian.org/security/2015/dsa-3329 mentions linux 3.2.68-1+deb7u3 for wheezy...
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11:35<jimpop>3.2.68-1+deb7u3 is not on the mirrors it seems. Is the DSA wrong or the mirrors out of date?
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11:40<jimpop>now it is on the mirrors. Thanks guy(s).
11:40<SpeedyG>jimpop: https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=wheezy§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=linux-image-3.2 seems to return 3.2.0-4 which has security patch 3.2.68-1+deb7u3 added
11:40<jimpop>lol
11:40<jimpop>thanks SpeedyG
11:41<jimpop>it's on ftp.us.debian.org now (or maybe there's a stale mirror in there)
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12:43<rodney>Is Iceweasel able to be attacked by Firefox exploit found on 5th and if so any time set for update?
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12:43<petn-randall>rodney: Which Firefox exploit? There have been quite a few.
12:44<petn-randall>rodney: If you have a CVE number, you can look it up on the tracker of doom.
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12:44<petn-randall>!tracker of doom
12:44<dpkg>The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.org/ . Ask me about <cve lookup CVE-yyyy-nnnn> to get Debian-specific information on a CVE number. See also http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences or ask me about <debsecan> http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/
12:44<urzo>Is there a way to use a cache of pre-downloaded packages (via apt-get) for debootstrap so that it does not have to download every package?
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12:48<DrZaius>http://paste.debian.net/290103/ when i try to upgrade its trying to upgrade the package linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 ... but nothing depends on it. can anybody explain me why is not autoremoved?
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12:49<DrZaius>it shows in apt-mark showauto, but dpkg -l shows it as manual (aka, no A) http://paste.debian.net/290104/
12:50<DrZaius>whats going on here :S
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12:52<rodney>Found temporary fix > set PDF "Preview in Firefox" to "Save"
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12:52<Brigo>DrZaius, do you remove linux-image-amd64 ?
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12:53<DrZaius>Brigo: that one is manually installed
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12:53<Brigo>DrZaius, aptitude why linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 tells me: i linux-image-amd64 Depende linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64
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12:56<DrZaius>well, im not on jessie... I just have the sources lines of jessie
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12:56<DrZaius>thats why i wonder why that package is not autoremoved
12:56<Brigo>DrZaius, i really don't know.
12:57<DrZaius>weird :S
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13:00<DrZaius>rodney: so if you dont use pdf.js you dont need to upgrade?
13:01<DrZaius>the justification to use pdf.js was that it reduces the attack surface of pdfs on pcs... by making a very small pdf reader... but guess what... it increases de attack surface of firefox
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13:07<rodney>yes DrZaius that is advice ive read
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13:08<DrZaius>thats is good because the version in experimental pulls lots of new dependences some not even in sid yet :/
13:08<DrZaius>its a bad moment to upgrade
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13:23<somiaj>DrZaius: jessie support is in #debian-next, (:
13:23<peter1138>no it's not
13:23<DrZaius>somiaj: this is jessie's support (:
13:24<somiaj>grr, yea sorry I ment stretch...I'm to tired, I just saw you mentioneing experimental
13:24<DrZaius>you gotta stop living in the past
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13:33<Guest1046>Hi, I installed a couple of application in the past using the backpot option in source.list. In case I want to upgrade , is it safer to remove the backport line or it does not matter
13:33<Guest1046>?
13:34<DrZaius>Guest1046: it wont matter mostly
13:34<DrZaius>you mean to upgrade to testing?
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13:35<Guest1046>Dr-Shadow, I installed wheezy
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13:35<Guest1046>then I needed a couple of packages for my wireless firmware
13:36<Guest1046>and I had to add that backport. I just followed a guide, so I did really understand what was going on
13:36<petn-randall>Guest1046: So you want to upgrade to jessie?
13:36<s_i_m>Guest1046, if you did not do any manual "pinning" of packages (or if you do not know what is that) then likely you do not need to do anything
13:37<Guest1046>I just wanted the latest upgraded packages for wheezy
13:37<Guest1046>thanks guys
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13:41<Guest1046>Oh, the stable one is jessie now.... then I should upgrade wheezy and then replace all wheezy occurrences in souces.list, isn't it?
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13:41<Guest1046>*update heezy
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13:43<petn-randall>Guest1046: Yes, and check the release notes for any pitfalls.
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13:43<Guest1046>thanks, I had several bad experiences in the past
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15:17<bagginsDK>Hello, i just installed debian jessie testing on my laptop but for some reason on every restart fans are running at full throttle. After some time they come back to normal but i think the previous behaviour is strange. Any thoughts?
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15:21<Brigo>bagginsDK, i think in boot is the bios which have the fan control, the when linux boots the linux acpi modules -i think- are loaded and they start manage the fans.
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15:25<bagginsDK>I am a Fedora migrant and i had the same issue in the past with fedora. I thought it was a matter of kernel drivers.
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15:32<anonymous>hey
15:32<anonymous>guys
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15:36<Jikan>Could purging/reinstalling the kernel solve this nouveau issue?
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16:03<debbian>good evening guys, i have a question: On jessie, I compiled and installed grub2 source from the testing deb-src repository. It works fine, but now apt-get would update the running kernel. What should I do in order to be able to successfully boot the new kernel? Should I invoke manually "update-grub"? thank you all :)
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16:05<squinty>that is the usual method
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16:07<Brigo>when apt-get/aptitude installs the new kernel, it you do the update-grub itself
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16:13<debbian>got it, thanks, anyway since I installed grub with the "--disk-module=ata" parameter, does it matter with the update-grub script? I'm not sure but I think no, since the grub native ata driver is installed into the MBR-1st partition gap
16:13<debbian>while the update-grub script should update just the initramfs
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16:14<Brigo>debbian, no, it will update the mbr if needed. I think you can pass that option in /etc/default/grub file
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16:15<debbian>brigo: I'm going to check it now ;)
16:15<Brigo>debbian, good luck ;)
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16:27<debbian>i checked the /etc/default/grub manual page and actually there is an option ‘GRUB_PRELOAD_MODULES’ which can be used to embed additional required moduled into the core.img: it's assimilable to the grub-install '--modules' option. However, I don't have installed any additional module by using that option; Instead I used the '--disk-module=ata' option and I cannot determine if the ‘GRUB_PRELOAD_MODULES’ in /etc/default/grub will do the trick
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16:31<amikot>hello,
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16:33<amikot>Could someoene help me with my debian jessie 64bit ? it was alright until today when I installed wine, pipelight, skype and nvidia bumblebee. after that i lost display.
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16:34<amikot>of course display gone after reboot
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16:35<Brigo>amikot, bumblebee should be the culprit, why do you install it?
16:36<musca>wild guess: wine, pipelight and skype are not related to the problem.
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16:36<amikot>because skype was not working, and I found on internet, that installation of bumblebee is solving that problem
16:36<amikot>and it helped
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16:36<amikot>but after reboot my kde gone :(
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16:36<rayzer>hii
16:37<rayzer>hi
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16:38<amikot>hello rayzer :)
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16:39<Brigo>i cannot see how bublebee can help with skype, as long as bumblebee is a driver, anyway. I need to know if you need bumblebee, that i doubt.
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16:39<amikot>ok ... I`m purging bumblebee and we will see
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16:40<amikot>THX guys ... it helped !!! KDE is back :D
16:41<Brigo>!next
16:41<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
16:41<amikot>but skype will not work again :(
16:41<amikot>Im not leaving :D
16:41<Brigo>amikot, why not?
16:42<amikot>Brigo: because M$ is s..t and dont want release skype 64bit.
16:43<Brigo>amikot, did you check the debian wiki? https://wiki.debian.org/skype
16:43<amikot>And Skype dont want open display on my 64bit screen :(
16:43<amikot>yes .. I did exacly what they are writing there
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16:44<amikot>hmm maybe i missed something ... I will try reinstall i386 libraries
16:45<Brigo>amikot, are you using jessie?
16:45<rayzer>amikot: =)
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16:46<rayzer>skype is one piece of software...
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16:47<rayzer>http://pastebin.com/M4tZh4qY
16:47<rayzer>ldd of skype
16:48<rayzer>it was supposedly written in pascal/delphi
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16:48<Brigo>they were busy :)
16:49<amikot2>ok .. it is I ... LeClerc :D
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16:50<amikot2>so ... I checked libraries, all of theme are installed, and im getting error: skype: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
16:50<rayzer>amikot2: ldd /usr/bin/skype paste your output
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16:51<rayzer>not here but pastebin for example
16:52<amikot2>http://pastebin.com/PSNKRwrg
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16:53<rayzer>sudo apt-get install libgl1-mesa-glx:i386
16:53<rayzer>amikot2:
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16:54<rayzer>or are we doing aptitude now?
16:55<rayzer>no still jessie
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16:55<amikot2>rayzer: its alredy installed
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16:56<amikot2>I mean libgl1-mesa-glx
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16:57<rayzer>file /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1
16:57<rayzer>amikot2:
16:57<rayzer>file /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1
16:58<amikot2>/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1: cannot open `/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1' (No such file or directory)
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16:59<Brigo>no such file in debian jessie.
16:59<amikot2>true :)
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17:00<Brigo>amikot2, it is a link. Paste the output of ls -l /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1
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17:00<rayzer>https://packages.debian.org/jessie/i386/libgl1-mesa-glx/filelist
17:00<rayzer>/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1: symbolic link to libGL.so.1.2.0
17:01<Brigo>rayzer, not in my system
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17:01<Brigo> /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1 -> /etc/alternatives/glx--libGL.so.1-i386-linux-gnu
17:01<amikot2>ls has no access to that .. there is no that file or directory (im translating so it may be inacurate)
17:02<amikot2>so there is no that link at all
17:02<Brigo>amikot2, your system need another library.
17:03<rayzer>amikot2: so "sudo apt-get install libgl1-mesa-glx:i386" says it's already installed?
17:03<amikot2>yes
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17:04<rayzer>amikot2: dpkg --print-foreign-architectures
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17:04<Brigo>amikot2, paste the output of "find /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/ -name "*libGL.so*""
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17:05<amikot2>no result
17:05<rayzer>amikot2: "dpkg --print-architecture && dpkg --print-foreign-architectures"
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17:06<amikot2>amd64 and i386
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17:06<Brigo>amikot2, what xorg driver are you using? and what desktop?
17:06<backbox>hii
17:07<amikot2>BTW. Do you know that there is web skype, but on linux it has locked sound and video calls ?
17:07<backbox>hello i m new here
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17:07<amikot2>Brigo: Im using Nvidia driver from nonfree (or contrib ?) jessie repo (340.something)
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17:08<amikot2>and KDE dektop
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17:08<amikot2>desktop
17:08<Brigo>well i am using it too and i have: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/nvidia/current/libGL.so.340.76
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17:08<rayzer>sudo apt-get install libgl1-fglrx-glx:i386
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17:09<rayzer>no
17:09<rayzer>dont do that
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17:09<rayzer>sudo apt-get install libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386
17:09<rayzer>do that
17:10<tochigui>good evening
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17:10<amikot2>oo something is happening ...
17:10<Brigo>it should be already installed.
17:10<amikot2>alright... success
17:11<amikot2>that was the issue :)
17:11<rayzer>Brigo: :i386
17:11<Brigo>rayzer, ah, yes, you are right :)
17:11<rayzer>skype is an acronym for crap, thats why i use it everyday
17:11<amikot2>anyway I still hate M$ ;D
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17:12<rayzer>well my colleges do..
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17:12<tochigui>hey guys, I wanted to make a new minimal installation of debian, could you help me? I'm moving from arch :)
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17:13<amikot2>Big cheerios to you :)
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17:13<rayzer>amikot2: no pb, thank Brigo
17:13<somiaj>tochigui: the netinstall image will contain a minimial install and then you can install only the packages you need after that (just don't select anything at the end when it asks what tasks to install)
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17:14<somiaj>tochigui: or if you have a free partition you could use debootstrap from arch and build up from that.
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17:14<Brigo>rayzer, than both, of course :)
17:14<rayzer>btw, check my stupid "test system"
17:14<tochigui>somiaj, I actually was trying gentoo, but couldn't do it in one go, now I want to have debian :p
17:15<rayzer>dpkg --print-architecture && dpkg --print-foreign-architectures
17:15<dpkg>i don't know, rayzer
17:15<amikot2>thx Brigo and rayzer :)
17:15<rayzer>amd64
17:15<rayzer>i386
17:15<rayzer>armhf
17:15<rayzer>armel
17:15<amikot2>powerpc ;)
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17:16<tochigui>so, I've been installing debian through the helper selection, but I want to learn how to do it manually
17:16<rayzer>i had a ppc, but it's offline now, i miss it..
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17:16<tochigui>the package names are like arch, right? same steps?
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17:17<rayzer>tochigui: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/apds03.html.en
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17:17<rayzer>debootstrap is one of the finest tool you ever find =)
17:17<tochigui>thanks
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17:19<rayzer>installing debian over tty on a sparc64, thats more fun than beeing with your kids =)
17:19<rayzer>serial tty
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17:20<rayzer>amikot2: where do you live?
17:20<rayzer>country wise
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17:21<amikot2>rayzer: UK atm :)
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17:21<amikot2>previeusly Poland
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17:22<amikot2>and you ?
17:22<amikot2>ok .. i see in your "whois" :D
17:22<rayzer>Aha, im from sweden. so same timezone =)
17:23<rayzer>cheers
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17:23<amikot2>Same as UK or same as Poland ? :D
17:23<rayzer>UK - sweden
17:23<rayzer>wait
17:24<rayzer>23.23 in sweden
17:24<amikot2>and 22:23 in UK
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17:24<rayzer>yeah okey almost
17:25<rayzer>+-1
17:25<amikot2>you have same zone that is in Poland
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17:26<amikot2>There was Sweden invasion in Poland in XVII centaury :) so we have common history ;D
17:26<rayzer>jepp, i used to travel sweden - gdynia, not anymore. (work)
17:26<rayzer>haha
17:27<rayzer>how did you end up in the UK?
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17:30<amikot2>That is long story, but in short: Republic of Poland is house of slavery, so I said goodbye to them. Maybe I will go back when freedom will came there (but Im not sure is there chance for that)
17:30<Celelibi>Why can't I su debian-transmission?
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17:31<Celelibi>From root.
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17:32<Celelibi>Can't I bypass the shell specified in the passwd file?
17:33<rayzer>amikot2: well, I'm not a huge fan of slavery, so I'm with you =)
17:33<rayzer>Celelibi: say what?
17:33<blast007>Celelibi: from 'man su', you can use su -s /bin/bash debian-transmission (I think)
17:34<Celelibi>Nice, thanks.
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17:47<amikot2>rayzer, Most of ppl like to be slaves ... they like when gov is making decisions for them ... taking off responsibility for life. They are not angry untill system is like good mother... helping not punishing. But when system starting to act like alcoholic mother ... that makes a problem :) That helps to make decision to stay an orphan :D
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17:47<amikot2>hehe ... i made mistake
17:47<amikot2>that shouldnt be untill
17:47<amikot2>there :D
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17:52<rayzer>amikot2: may i ask how old you are? I have worked with a lot of polacks (sry for the expression) and they all have the same points as you. So i think it's on self destruct.. Like sweden..
17:53<amikot2>im 37 :)
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17:54<amikot2>Its nice that other poles likes freedom aswell :D
17:54<amikot2>but maybe we shouldnt talk about that in here - its Debian channel :D
17:55<rayzer>hehe of course =)
17:56<amikot2>Do you maybe know what to do with wine on Debian 64bit ? On 32 bit i was playing in World Of Tanks and World of Warcraft, now im not sure what i should use to make it possible.
17:56<rayzer>any more gnu/linux problems then? =)
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17:57<rayzer>apt-get install wine
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17:57<rayzer>you have enabled i386 so it will work out the rest =)
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17:58<Brigo>amikot2, just use wine. It is a script which will choose the right one.
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17:58<amikot2>Its realy annoying that after years ... we still need to install i386 libraries to have Skype, wine, pipelight, and even Android Studio is asking for i386 libs (on 32bit its saying that only on 64bit you can get best performance).
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17:59<rayzer>but if you like gaming, you should check out steam or GOG (no endorsment), i have found a lot of my favorites there, old as new.
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18:00<amikot2>What is GOG ?
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18:01<rayzer>https://www.gog.com/ a publisher of old/new games, with a growing database of games ported to linux
18:02<rayzer>I have nothing to do with them, but i bougt baldurs gate from them, and thats why i posted
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18:05<rayzer>and well, debians way of solving multiarch beats every other OS
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18:06<rayzer>it is not a small problem, so therefore it can fudge up some times.
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18:06<cheezcake>hi yall!
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18:07<rayzer>cheezcake: need more beer?
18:07<anonymous>hello
18:07<cheezcake>how's yall doin
18:07<anonymous>Im good
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18:07<cheezcake>anonymous is always good
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18:08<rayzer>I need more beer...
18:08<anonymous>You better fuckin believe it
18:08<cheezcake>lol i wouldn't mind a beer
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18:08<anonymous>Bye.
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18:10<rayzer>hmm amikot2: Im kinda, sure we had a major bbs on poland, thats where I got my first kings quest disks to my atari?
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18:16<amikot2>maybe .. I never had atari - but i had c64 and later amiga
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18:21<rayzer>amikot2: may I ask why you want to use GNU/Linux ? Are there more of you=
18:21<rayzer>?
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18:23<rayzer>i have maybe two people around me, who want's to use opensource
18:23<rayzer>thats bad
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18:27<rayzer>execpt my dad, he still thinks pascal is ruling the computer world. My intention was to start a convention for geeks in sweden, not based on gaming..
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18:29<rayzer>pascal and cobol maybe, he is so old school that he could still hack up a demo starring your favo
18:29<rayzer>favorite cat
18:30<rayzer>in monochrome
18:30<amikot2>Razer: Until 2004 I was user of AmigaOS. Than i sold my Amiga and bought PC with Windows. In 2008 I started programing PHP and there was a lot of problems with working on servers with Windows. And when after reinstalation Windows told me that I may have illegal copy of OS (that was legal) i decided to use Linux (in 2010). First it was Ubuntu, than Kubuntu (after Unity appeared) and than Debian with KDE
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18:31<rayzer>amikot2: what do you think of debian then? as is today
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18:33<amikot2>I was using Sid for almost year, earlier it was testing (Jessie)
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18:35<amikot2>And ... Jessie was alright but not always up to date. Sid was better, but in prev month developers swiched to Plasma5 and I experienced many problems. Finaly 3 days ago after update, OS stucked on splash screen.
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18:37<amikot2>But ... Debian is much better than Ubuntu, much more stable, and when you have "knowhow" - its good fun to build system and manage it. Of course sometimes my knowhow is to small for problem, but there is community :D
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18:40<guardian>hello, I don't know the proper way to report this: http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ instructions use http://http.debian.net/debian instead of the preferred http://httpredir.debian.org/debian
18:41<rayzer>I still don't know what canonical is bringing to the table, they are whining about (tm) and so forth, I have always used Debian. And tried out different version of canonicals system, in between.
18:42<rayzer>they are still destroying Debian =)
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18:43<rayzer>guardian: https://lists.debian.org/debian-backports
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18:44<rayzer>guardian: or do I misunderstand you?
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18:50<rayzer>part
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18:52<amikot2>may i ask what for backports repos are ?
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18:56<amikot2>btw those games on gog.com are native linux or wine-d ?
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19:17<ms1459>just lurkin
19:18<ms1459>is there a perl irc?
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19:18<thomas>good evening
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19:19<thomas>I am trying to install debian8-testing on a T440s laptop, and when choosing "Guided - use entire disk and set up encrypted LVM" and "all files in one partition", I get a "Configuration of encrypted volumes failed"
19:20<thomas>"An error occurred while configuring encrypted volumes."
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19:20<musca>ms1459: yes
19:20<musca>!perl
19:20<dpkg>Perl (backronymed as Practical Extraction and Report Language and Pathologically Eclectic Rubbish Lister) is an interpreted, high-level, dynamic programming language. http://learn.perl.org/books/beginning-perl/ #perl on irc.freenode.net. See also <dh-make-perl>.
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19:21<salad>hey, is contrib supposed to enabled by default?
19:21<musca>no
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19:21<musca>!contrib
19:21<dpkg>[contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ [jessie|stretch|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then «aptitude update». Also ask me about <non-free>, <contrib list>.
19:21<thomas>is there any way of getting more informaiton on what is going wrong ?
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19:24<salad>I've just installed debian in 2 VM's, using two different installers. Contrib is enabled in both. =\
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19:24<salad>If I'm understanding that description right- contrib only has FLOSS in it anyway?
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19:25<mtn>salad, debian has only one installer and contrib is not enabled by default
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19:26<thomas>perhaps switch to a text-based install?
19:28<salad>mtn: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.1.0/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-8.1.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso does indeed enable contrib by default it seems, that's the installer I've used
19:28<salad>just verified that on 4 different PC's
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19:28<salad>I've not touched my sources at all on any of them
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19:28<salad>Half done by text installer, half the gui
19:28<mtn>salad, never has been enabled on any of my installs. shrug
19:29<salad>In any case, looks like it's all FLOSS anyway until you enable non-free, so no harm in it
19:30<thomas>hmm
19:30<thomas>debian install *without* the encrypted LVM works
19:30<thomas>how unfortunate
19:30<paxmark9>thomas, Debian 8(.1) is stable == jessie Testing would be named stretch these days. Which iso are you using?
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19:31<thomas>paxmark9: debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso with md5 ec315fbc492d36df7f94b6bcbed046c9
19:31<thomas>just downloaded a few minutes ago
19:32<thomas>should I try stable instead of testing ?
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19:32<paxmark9>thomas, That depends on your skill set and how stable a system you need, etc.
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19:33<thomas>paxmark9: I am generally happy with testings
19:33<thomas>this was more a question of "are the chances that encrypted LVM will work higher with stable" ;)
19:35<Shadowlor>Hello everyone, :).
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19:36<paxmark9>thomas, I don't use lvw (yet). It should "just" work in testing. Maybe try in #debian-next.
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19:36<thomas>thanks :)
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19:41<thomas>paxmark9: Will also try stable now
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19:44<thomas>ok, works in stable
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19:49<root>test
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19:51<Watson>hi
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19:52<Watsons>i'm looking for this file cliprdr.so anybody know where to download it please?
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19:57<squinty>Watsons: https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=cliprdr.so&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any
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19:57<Watsons>test
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20:27<Watsons>i'm looking for this file cliprdr.so anybody know where to download it please?
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20:33<ml|>Watsons:
20:33<ml|>19:57:01 squinty | Watsons: https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=cliprdr.so&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any
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20:35<Watsons>already have the package but still remmina says /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/freerdp/cliprdr.so: cannot open shared object file:
20:35<Watsons>when i try to connect to rdp
20:36<Watsons>in that directory the file ciprdr.so actually does not excist
20:36<Watsons>been looking for many hours and reading forums, seems a but in freerdp
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20:50<Brigo>Watsons, where is the file then?
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21:10<Watsons>no idea
21:11<Brigo>Watsons, what package did you install?
21:11<Watsons>remmina en freerdp
21:12<Watsons>when i remove freerdp remmina doesnt have rdp protocol
21:12<Watsons>but when i install dpkg -i libfreerdp1_1.0.1-1.1+deb7u3_amd64.deb
21:12<Watsons>remmina does have rdp protocol
21:13<Watsons>but when i try to connect to a rdp i get this error :(remmina:8828): Gtk-WARNING **: gtk_widget_size_allocate(): attempt to allocate widget with width -23 and height 27
21:13<Watsons>freerdp_load_library_symbol: failed to open /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/freerdp/cliprdr.so: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/freerdp/cliprdr.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
21:13<Watsons>freerdp_load_plugin: failed to load cliprdr/VirtualChannelEntry
21:13<Watsons>transport_connect: getaddrinfo (Name or service not known)
21:13<Watsons>Error: protocol security negotiation failure
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21:13<Brigo>Watsons, may be remmina-plugin-rdp ?
21:14<Watsons>tried everything meanwhile
21:14<Brigo>Watsons, what about freerdp-x11 package within debian?
21:15<Watsons>i dunno , frankly i did a lot of stuff, all that i could find in forums and google... not sure anymore what exactly i've tried lol
21:15<Watsons>in synaptic i checked all rdp stuff and installed
21:15<Watsons>rebooted 1000 times and so on
21:16<Watsons>install, reinstall, remove and so on
21:16<Watsons>kinda gave up; just doing freerdp in command line now
21:16<Brigo>Watsons, why remmina?
21:18<Watsons>read somewhere that it's the best rdp client
21:18<Watsons>was looking for a gui
21:18<Watsons>if you know something else i'd be happy to try that ;)
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21:19<Brigo>rdesktop - RDP client for Windows NT/2000 Terminal Server and Windows Servers
21:20<Brigo>vinagre - remote desktop client for the GNOME Desktop
21:20<Brigo>gnome-rdp - remote desktop client for GNOME
21:21<Brigo>I have never used any of them, so i cannot say if they are good or not.
21:21<Watsons>which would you recommend please?
21:21<Watsons>ah okay
21:21<Watsons>thanks brigo i'll check them out :)
21:21<Brigo>Watsons, good luck :)
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21:42<belamat>Hello first day on debian, everithing is quite nice :), finding a way to solve the bluetooth connection, I m on a lenovo G50-70
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21:44<belamat>any clue?
21:44<belamat>im totally new on gnu/linux :)
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22:01<belamat>need help to enable blutooth im on Lenovo G50-70
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22:07<r6ku>belamat: which wireless card do you have? did you install the firmware for it?
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22:19<belamat>hello r6ku
22:20<belamat>no, didnt install any firmware how should i do it?
22:20<belamat>search lenovo g50-70 firmware for linux/debian?
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22:24<r6ku>belamat: run lspci in the terminal and paste the output here: https://paste.debian.net/
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22:27<belamat>pasted there
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22:28<belamat>https://paste.debian.net/290206
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22:31<r6ku>belamat: install the package firmware-realtek from the non-free section of the repositories, see if that helps
22:32<belamat>lets see
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22:36<belamat>how do i install them?
22:37<belamat>downloaded this... (Download Page for firmware-realtek_0.36+wheezy.1_all.deb)
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22:38<r6ku>which version of debian do you have?
22:38<belamat>8.1
22:38<r6ku>do you know how to use a package manager?
22:38<belamat>no
22:39<belamat>using synaptic
22:39<r6ku>okay
22:40<belamat>but did not find firmware realtek there so i downloaded from debian.org
22:40<belamat>but now dont now how to install them
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22:40<r6ku>go to synaptic > settings > repositories
22:41<r6ku>now click the url on top of the list and add to the section part so it looks like this: main contrib non-free
22:42<r6ku>then click ok and press the reload button
22:43<r6ku>firmware-realtek should show up now, install that one
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22:46<belamat>do i need the debian dvd installation disc?
22:46<belamat>because i did so and an error showed
22:46<r6ku>huh?
22:46<belamat>do you speack spanish?
22:47<r6ku>sorry, no :)
22:47<belamat>using a spanish version so cant post what i get
22:47<belamat>but i ll try to translate...
22:47<belamat>first...
22:48<r6ku>do this instead, run "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" in the terminal and paste it
22:48<belamat>on the top of the list that i enabled was: deb cdrom;(debian gnu/linux 8.1.0 ...
22:50<belamat>deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main
22:50<belamat>deb-src http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main
22:50<belamat>deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main
22:50<belamat>deb-src http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main
22:50<belamat># jessie-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
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23:00<belamaat>http://paste.debian.net/290217/
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23:03<r6ku>belamaat: add contrib and non-free to this line with synaptic: deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main
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23:07<belamaat>how do i do that (sorry tottally new)
23:08-!-mode/#debian [+l 687] by debhelper
23:08<r6ku>belamaat: open synaptic, go to settings -> repositories and click that line, then make the section part look like this: main contrib non-free
23:08<r6ku>then press ok and reload
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23:11<belamaat>done
23:12<r6ku>okay, now search for firmware-realtek and install it
23:12<r6ku>after that relog/reboot and see if bluetooth works
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23:13<belamaat>it get me this message: (in spanish so it may be different) Couldnt downlad all of the index of the repositories
23:14<belamaat>failed to get cdrom://debian gnu/linux 8.1
23:14<belamaat>oficial amd 64 netinst binary
23:14<at0m|c>disregard that, can even disable that line in sources.list
23:14<r6ku>that happened after you editted it right? you can undo your changes to it or just remove it
23:14<belamaat>iĺl check anyway now if the firmare-realtek is there
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23:15<belamaat>now i found the realtek firmware
23:15<belamaat>installing...
23:15<r6ku>great
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23:16<belamaat>went gree
23:16<belamaat>n
23:16<r6ku>now it's installed :)
23:17<belamaat>showl i restart debian?
23:17<r6ku>yeah, go ahead
23:18<belamaat>great come in a while (thanks)
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23:23<belamat>mmm didnt work it seams
23:25<belamat>all i see on the bluetooth configuration is enable or disable
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23:25<r6ku>well I'm stumped :/
23:25<belamat>nothing like search or configure
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23:26<belamat>could you check this if it may help me?
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23:27<belamat>didnt try anything of that in the terminal since Im new and dont now its concecuences dont want to ruin nothing
23:27<belamat>http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=193838
23:27<r6ku>one sec
23:28<belamat>thanks
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23:32<r6ku>wow, I didn't think the situation was that bad
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23:34<belamat>hehe if you say so...
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23:34<pop>is it possible to recognise my cell phone motoG using the packages of Debian 8 in Debian 7?
23:35<r6ku>belamat: let's try installing a newer version of firmware-realtek first...
23:35<belamat>should i try that?
23:35<belamat>ok
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23:35<r6ku>belamat: here http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-realtek_0.44_all.deb download that
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23:35<somiaj>pop: what are you trying to do? Most phones will give you access to the shared memeory via usbmasstorage or mtp protcol, both are which supported in jessie.
23:35<r6ku>belamat: do you know how to install packages manually?
23:36<somiaj>pop: for your paticular phone I can't say the details and unsure what you mean by access.
23:36<belamat>no
23:36<error>LKJH
23:36<r6ku>right click the package and see if gdebi shows up
23:37<pop>i am using gMTP
23:38<belamat>open with- install package
23:38<belamat>installed
23:38<belamat>didnt see any gdeby...
23:39<r6ku>you managed to install it?
23:39<belamat>it seames so where could i check that
23:39<r6ku>synaptic I suppose
23:39<belamat>ok
23:40<pop>but i read that Debian 8 recognise de media via through usb
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23:41<belamat>Binary firmware for Realtek wired and wireless network adapters version 0.44
23:41<belamat>but it shows green
23:41<r6ku>ok, you're good
23:41<belamat>its the one i installed before...
23:41<belamat>ok
23:42<r6ku>I thought 0.43 was the one you installed before :S
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23:42<belamat>ok
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23:43<pop>i want to use the cell phone to read and write data to/from my laptop
23:44<belamat>should i try the solution on the link of linux mint?
23:44<r6ku>I guess, I'm all out of ideas
23:45<belamat>did not try that before because one of the codes lines was somethink that involved wifi iand i didnt need that mine is working good
23:45<belamat>ok thanks any way r6ku apreciate your time :)
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23:46<r6ku>belamat: try the rtl8723au_bt one atleast
23:47<belamat>whats that? user name here?
23:47<r6ku>one of the links on the mint page
23:47<belamat>ok
23:48<r6ku>belamat: on second though, do the rtlwifi commands as well from JeremyB's post
23:49<belamat>ok
23:50<belamat>how do i do that?
23:50<belamat>on terminal?
23:50<r6ku>yeah
23:51<r6ku>first command should say "apt-get", do you have sudo?
23:51<belamat>dont know
23:51<r6ku>belamat: run the command: sudo aptitude and see what happens
23:51<r6ku>"sudo aptitude" :p
23:51<belamat> cd rtlwifi_new
23:52<belamat>usage: sudo -h | -K | -k | -V
23:52<belamat>usage: sudo -v [-AknS] [-g group] [-h host] [-p prompt] [-u user]
23:52<belamat>usage: sudo -l [-AknS] [-g group] [-h host] [-p prompt] [-U user] [-u user]
23:52<belamat> [command]
23:52<belamat>usage: sudo [-AbEHknPS] [-r role] [-t type] [-C num] [-g group] [-h host] [-p
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23:52<r6ku>atleast he has sudo
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23:52<belamat>http://paste.debian.net/290218/
23:53<r6ku>looks like you have it, those commands should work then
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23:57<r6ku>belamat: first command: sudo apt-get install git build-essential linux-headers-amd64
23:57<r6ku>belamat: good luck
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23:57<belamat>thanks!!
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