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---Logopened Sun Aug 09 00:00:43 2015
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00:12<Raku>I have a server with two hardrives, and i have windows 7 on one for the time being, i cant get any cdrom with an iso written to get detected, i can mount the image however, would it be possible to do the netinstall within windows to the secondary hdd?
00:15<jmcnaught>Raku: can you boot from USB?
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00:16<Raku>I might, dont have any spare ones right now though
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00:17<jmcnaught>that would be the way to do it
00:17<Raku>Ya, i know
00:18<Raku>I'm being impatient though :P, is there really no other way?
00:18<Raku>Ideally i would fix whatever is not letting it read cdroms with isos written to them
00:18<jmcnaught>Raku: you can do a netboot install with PXE
00:22<Raku>I'll look into it, thanks :)
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00:24<Raku>Ack, i couldnt do anything right now even if i did get it installed
00:25<Raku>Ill just wait it out like i should have done
00:25<Raku>Thanks for the help though jmcnaught, i appreciate it
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00:36<dooglus>how can I edit the synaptics touchpad settings in the default DE?
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00:37<r6ku>dooglus: gnome? if nothing shows up in Settings then take a look in Tweak and see if there's anything there
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00:40<franki>hola
00:41<franki>esto es real
00:41<franki>o.o
00:41<franki>?
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00:41<dooglus>r6ku: thanks, but I don't see it on either
00:42<dooglus>r6ku: I like edge-scrolling, or circular scrolling, rather than the 2-finger scrolling GNOME seems to insist I use
00:43<r6ku>dooglus: take a look at dconf
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00:53<dooglus>it appears I used to use this: xinput --set-prop '"SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad"' 'Synaptics Circular Scrolling'1
00:53<dooglus>so maybe if I can find 'xinput' somewhere, it can work again
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00:55<r6ku>there's a package called xinput :)
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01:04<dooglus>maybe that's a clue...
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01:05<dooglus>turns out I didn't need xinput, but: synclient CircularScrolling=1 CircScrollTrigger=3 CoastingSpeed=0 CornerCoasting=0
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02:31<nrllh>slm
02:32<nrllh>hello
02:32<nrllh>!
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02:47<tidux>where's the default SELinux policy for Jessie?
02:47<tidux>the package that points to it in wheezy and sid just says "package unavailable"
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03:05<devslash>i'm new to debian. Is there a repo or gui application I can use to install common software like firefox, thunderbird and other open source software
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03:06<tidux>devslash: it's built in
03:06<tidux>iceweasel = firefox
03:06<tidux>icedove = thunderbird
03:06<tidux>learn how to use apt-get or synaptic
03:06<jmcnaught>devslash: hello :) Debian has thousands of open source packages in its repositories. Firefox and Thunderbird are renamed
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03:32<devslash>if Iceweasel is based on firefox and is only at version 31 isnt that a security risk that its missing a lot of security patches?
03:33<valdyn>devslash: it is the esr version
03:33<devslash>whats that
03:34<valdyn>devslash: extended support release
03:34<devslash>what does that mean
03:35<valdyn>devslash: debian would support it even if mozilla did not, but since its the esr release, its supported by mozilla already
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03:35<valdyn>devslash: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Enterprise/Firefox/ExtendedSupport:Proposal
03:36<devslash>so it has the latest patches ?
03:40<valdyn>devslash: i dont know if the debian mozilla team is a week behind or not, but other than that, yes
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03:41<valdyn>!mdn
03:41<dpkg>For stable releases, newer versions of Iceweasel, Icedove and Iceape can be found at http://mozilla.debian.net/ ; you will want the "release" repository. For users of testing and unstable, updated packages are normally in <experimental>; only Extended Support Release (ESR) versions are suitable for release in <stable> so only those versions can be uploaded to unstable.
03:41<valdyn>devslash: you can get various releasese there ^^
03:41<valdyn>devslash: the 31 release shouldnt be behind those, of course it could be behind upstream
03:43<devslash>thanks i added that report but im getting a public key error
03:43<valdyn>"You can do so by installing the pkg-mozilla-archive-keyring package. "
03:44<devslash>thanks again
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04:42<david_>hi
04:42<kiwiuser>hi
04:43<david_>so how does this thing work
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05:04<mulita>david_: you write, and we ignore you ;-)
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05:55<renols>How do I keep jessie from assembling raids automatically at boot time?
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05:56<renols>I have configured mdadm not to start raids automatically, but still I find the raids
05:56<renols>being assembled after a restart.
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06:11<zathras>Hi. I Enforced the installation of a package depending on mysql-client as it should work fine with mariadb. But now every time I use apt/aptitude it wants to deinstall it before I can do anything else (install/update an other package)
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06:11<zathras>how can I enforce the package to be ignored
06:11<zathras>please?
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06:16<valdyn>zathras: dependencies are enforced, you cant "force" them
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06:16<valdyn>zathras: which dependency do you want to fix?
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06:19<zathras>valdyn, I need cluebringer-* packages in Jessie. They are no longer there. In Sid and Wheezy they do exist.
06:19<zathras>postfix-cluebringer-mysql needs mysql-client
06:19<zathras>however I have mysql-client/server-10.0 installed
06:19<valdyn>judd: versions mysql-client
06:19<judd>Package: mysql-client on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 5.1.73-1; squeeze: 5.1.73-1; squeeze-security-lts: 5.1.73-1+deb6u1; wheezy: 5.5.40-0+wheezy1; sid: 5.5.42-1; jessie: 5.5.43-0+deb8u1; sid: 5.5.43-0+deb8u1; stretch: 5.5.43-0+deb8u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 5.5.44-0+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 5.5.44-0+deb7u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 5.5.44-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.5.44-0+deb8u1; sid:
06:19<judd>5.6.25-3
06:19<zathras>I can dpkg -i --force-all the cluebringer packages
06:20<valdyn>zathras: so you cant install the actual mysql-client package ?
06:20<zathras>but then apt seems to get stuck like I said
06:20<zathras>no mysql-client conflicts with mariadb
06:20<valdyn>zathras: ok
06:20<valdyn>zathras: theres no way to foce apt to ignore dependencies, so you need to fix this:
06:21<valdyn>!equivs
06:21<dpkg>equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell <apt> you really have installed (through some other means) the package. aptitude install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, see also <usrlocal>. A better plan is often to adapt the Debian packages to your needs, ask me about <package recompile> <uupdate> <ssb>.
06:21<zathras>ah. nice. Did not know that one!
06:21<valdyn>zathras: read ^^ and create an empty mysql-client package
06:22<valdyn>zathras: (that doesnt really create the package iirc, it "only" installs it).
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06:55<zathras>valdyn, I did build a dummy and next try to install it. But now:
06:55<zathras>mariadb-client-10.0 (10.0.20-0+deb8u1) breaks mysql-client and is installed.
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06:55<zathras>a bit of a chicken-egg problem
06:59<valdyn>zathras: yes, i see
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07:03<valdyn>zathras: guess you need to rebuild postfix-cluebringer-mysql
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07:06<petn-randall>zathras: Did you install testing/unstable packages directly on your stable system?
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07:10<petn-randall>zathras: That is not a good approach, since that causes dependency problems like you see. The better approach is to backport those packages yourself. However, you need to keep track of security issues yourself then.
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07:12<zathras>hmm. yes :-(
07:12<zathras>cluebringer is a problem anyway
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09:43<bagginsDK>Hello, i have just reinstalled Jessie. Why on earth when i delete gedit or the foolish games package manager removes some gnome packages? I mean after just removing totem, some gnome packages were detected as unused. Why is that?
09:43<themill>because you removed the gnome metapackage
09:44<themill>!unmarkauto
09:44<dpkg>Is apt trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it causing the gnome meta-package to be uninstalled and then all its dependencies. Fix this by running "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage> (apt-get also has unmarkauto from squeeze onwards).
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09:45<bagginsDK>themill, i just installed. Nothing changed. I only installed git and vim-gtk
09:45<themill>"nothing changed" other than removing a stack of packages. What dpkg said.
09:46<Relvox>Hello, I'm trying to install SteamOS Brewmaster (which is a variant of Debian) and I have a problem with the installation: There is a stage that seems mandatory that includes the installation of the nVidia drivers. However, my gpu seems unsupported by bundled drivers. Would there be a way to inject an arbitrary driver (e.g some opensource driver fo
09:46<Relvox>r legacy nvidia cards) and fool the installer into thinking it succeeded?
09:47<themill>Relvox: We can't and don't deal with derivatives here.
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09:56<Walkers>anybody know on what server winehq is please?
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09:57<themill>Walkers: there's a #winehq on chat.freenode.net
09:57<Walkers>yeah that was it... thanks themill
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10:00<zathras>does a generic tls/ssl/smtp tool exist to test mail connections?
10:01<themill>,i swaks
10:01<judd>Package swaks (mail, optional) in jessie/amd64: SMTP command-line test tool. Version: 20130209.0-3; Size: 78.5k; Installed: 231k; Homepage: http://www.jetmore.org/john/code/swaks/
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10:02<zathras>themill, that looks quite nice. ty. About to test it :P
10:03<peter1138>openssl itself
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10:04<zathras>yes. and telnet etc. I was more looking in the lines of the mail-config wizzard of Thunderbird/Icedove which tries out auth methods, ports and protocols as well as subdomains to test a mailserver
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10:05<zathras>in this case I know where it runs etc. Just in war with the details. Roundcube got deinstalled when upgrading as it no longer is in Jessie
10:05<zathras>I reinstalled it from Sid but I lost my config and now IMAP is fine but SMTP is not
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10:06<zathras>normally I backup /etc upfront a distupgrade but I forgot it this time
10:06<maazu>zathras: firewall? is port 25, ok?
10:06<zathras>it is starttls on port 587
10:06<zathras>fw has not changed afaik
10:06<maazu>:(
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10:07<zathras>so it is an auth issue with virtual domains likely
10:07<zathras>for stuff like that telnet port 25 is not really handy. Too much fuss imho
10:07<zathras>yet testing the basics is key
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10:09<zathras>it looks like roundcube does not even attempt to send
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10:09<zathras>btw: any suggestions to replace roundcube (not in jessie) with another webmail package which is?
10:10<Brigo>squirrelmail may be
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10:14<zathras>Squirrelmail is even older than roundcube
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10:21<zathras>cool. swaks does it thing and provided my mail is functional so only roundcube should be an issue
10:21<Brigo>zathras, you asked for anothere one :)
10:22<zathras>true. I am still interested in an alternative. Mailpile for instance seems to look ok at first. But no .deb
10:22<zathras>swaks was just for testing the connection
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10:23<Brigo>i have found 'prayer' in debian repos, i don't kown it.
10:23<Brigo>and ilohamail - Light weight yet full featured multilingual web-based IMAP/POP3 client
10:24<zathras>just pray that the message gets across? :P
10:24<zathras>ok. Will look at them. ty
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10:38<SpeedyG>Brigo: it was possible using brctl, just add a randomly named bridge without direct connection to a physical dev :)
10:38<SpeedyG>bridge-utils helped in that :)
10:39<Brigo>SpeedyG, yes.
10:39<bagginsDK>I tried the reinstall method to solve meta-packages error unsuccessfully. When i try to remove totem it keeps showing to me gnome and gnome-core to uninstall. Any thoughts_
10:39<SpeedyG>Brigo: now I've got one xen host setup as router with dhcp on the non-connected eth1 and one other xen vm with eth1 connected to xenint0 bridge and gets its IP from the router :)
10:40<Brigo>SpeedyG, good for you.
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10:40<themill>bagginsDK: reinstalling the metapackages is the opposite of removing totem
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10:41<themill>bagginsDK: the gnome metapackage is defined as "everything gnome upstream thinks is important" and so the gnome metapackage depends on totem.
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10:43<bagginsDK>themill, i just ran apt-get install --reinstalled gnome gnome-core and then i tried to remove totem. What am i missing?
10:43<themill>you're missing that you can't possibly hope that will work
10:43<r6ku>yup, gnome-core depends on totem
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10:44<zathras>ciderwebmail is another option
10:45<bagginsDK>The same is true also for evolution, games, etc...?
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10:45<zathras>if things work they work. Ok. But still. Software with the last update in 2010..... Al these alternatives seem not to be actively maintained. I mean:: no bugs, security issues etc? Really? No adaptions required due to changing php/perl whatever or their libs
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10:46<themill>bagginsDK: it sounds like you do not want to install the gnome metapackage but instead install the packages you want
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10:49<zathras>Squirrelmail got it's last update in 2012. All these softwarepackages seem to ignore there is such a thing as mobile devices :-(
10:49<bagginsDK>themill, i just want to remove some programms without destroying gnome desktop environment. I installed debian yesterday and i autoremoved everything. After that debian was very buggy and i was forced to reinstall everything.
10:49<zathras>*2011
10:50<r6ku>bagginsDK: the solution is to either not use gnome or let the programs stay, you can blame gnome devs for that
10:50<themill>r6ku: that's not really true
10:50<frecel>hello
10:51<themill>bagginsDK: You've got your options then. Either install it all or install the packages you want. Don't try installing metapackages and then removing parts of them.
10:51<frecel>I'm having trouble running wine, from what I found out the isssue is with libs that used to be in ia32-libs, does anyone know where the libs from this package are now?
10:52<bagginsDK>r6ku, i am not blaming anyone. I am just trying to learn. Also, as developer i want somehow to conrtibute. Are there any info?
10:52<Brigo>frecel, those libs are not more needed
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10:52<themill>dpkg: tell bagginsDK about how-can-i-help
10:52<frecel>hmm
10:52<Brigo>frecel, you need to add multiarch and install wine64 and wine32.
10:53<frecel>Brigo: I'm trying to run iRacing, the game comes wrapped in wine with all the execs in the package
10:53<Brigo>frecel, and it is 32 bits?
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11:07<frecel>Brigo: it appears so
11:07<frecel>artur@office:~/iracing$ sh launch-iracing.sh
11:07<frecel>Application tried to create a window, but no driver could be loaded.
11:07<frecel>Unknown error (127).
11:07<frecel>this is what I'm getting
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11:37<renols>How do I keep jessie from assembling raids automatically at boot time?
11:37<renols>I have configured mdadm not to start raids automatically, but still I find the raids
11:37<renols>being assembled after a restart.
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11:39<renols>And they are started as md0 and md127. Whats that all about. when I tell mdadm not to assamble
11:39<renols>raids, why does it still do it then.
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12:37<gnorf>im so tired of this drivers.. r8169
12:37<gnorf>driver*
12:37<gnorf>can't get my card to run in gigabit mode
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12:39<gnorf>mii-tool says it's in 1000 half duplex
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12:39<gnorf>ethtool says it is in full duplex
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12:39<gnorf>in reality.. it's in 100mbit
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12:42<gnorf>Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8169 PCI Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 10) and i downloaded the latest module/driver from realteks website.. and installed it. but no.. no gigabit.
12:43<zathras>gnorf why use a userland driver (at least that is what I presume)
12:43<gnorf>userland?
12:43<gnorf>what is that :o
12:44<zathras>userspace: not kernel space
12:44<zathras>to start with: what are your running?
12:44<gnorf>debian 8.1
12:45<gnorf>or what do you mean by what i'm running?
12:45<gnorf>r8169 68262 0
12:46<zathras>k. yep
12:46<gnorf>mii 12675 1 r8169
12:46<gnorf>in lsmod
12:46<gnorf>so mii are using the driver..
12:46<zathras>do you have installed firmware-realtek (packege v 0.43)
12:46<zathras>*package
12:47<zathras>try to get rid of manual drivers
12:47<gnorf>i belive so.. if i remember right. I'll check
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12:48<gnorf>yes, the realtek-firmware are installed
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12:49<zathras>the problem here that is hard to tell what you are actually running as you have been playing with closed source drivers
12:50<gnorf>i'm running the driver from realteks website. I -compiled- it and loaded it with modprobe
12:50<gnorf>so closed source i belive
12:50<zathras>yes. in the meantime the debian wiki states: r8169.ko
12:50<zathras>
12:50<zathras>RealTek RTL-8169 Gigabit Ethernet driver
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12:51<zathras>so, there should be no need to do that
12:51<gnorf>how do i change it back?
12:51<zathras>see: https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware
12:53<zathras>modprobe -r
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12:53<gnorf>yes
12:54<gnorf>and then load the r8169.ko
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12:54<gnorf>from /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8105e-1.fw
12:56<gnorf>http://pastebin.com/338rVjGc
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12:58<zathras>yes?
12:58<zathras>if that are the original drivers I would go for that and monitor the logs
12:58<zathras>dmesg should tell you something
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12:59<gnorf>I don't know if that is the original driver is in the kernel-dir
12:59<gnorf>maybe the realtek install changed it
12:59<zathras>md5sum the r8160.ko files
12:59<zathras>check filestamp etc
13:00<zathras>if you are not that familiar with linux systems it is wise to ask advise in advance the next time
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13:01<zathras>especially with drivers it can be easy to fubar things and make things very complicated
13:02<gnorf>zathras: i am a bit familiar.. did lfs some years ago.. but i'v forgot most of it anyway so..
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13:02<zathras>gnorf, well anyway. It is as it is. We have to work with the current situation
13:03<gnorf>zathras: they do not have the same md5sum.. so i guess the .ko in my kernel/drivers are the one i should use?
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13:06<gnorf>zathras: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/225845/how-do-i-configure-modprobe-to-find-my-module
13:06<gnorf>is this the way to go?
13:07<zathras>not sure. that worked on 2.6 kernels
13:07<gnorf>i see.
13:08<gnorf>but if i'm going to remove the module i use now.. i will lose the network connection
13:08<zathras>but what you want is the default kernel and start debugging from there if needed
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13:08<gnorf>yes
13:08<zathras>https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/331699
13:08<zathras>look at the end of the discussion
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13:09<zathras>this bug is quite old and should be resolved by now
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13:11<zathras>ubuntu is not the same as debian but it is a pointer regarding your issue
13:11<gnorf>i know :)
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13:11<zathras>initramfs rebuild might also be in order
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13:13<zathras>also: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14069
13:13<gnorf>description: RealTek RTL-8169 Gigabit Ethernet driver
13:13<gnorf>author: Realtek and the Linux r8169 crew <netdev@vger.kernel.org>
13:13<zathras>and many others btw
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13:19<zathras>got to do some cleaning, cooking and eating
13:20<gnorf>same here
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14:31<RadoQ>Moin. I'm playing around with "ekiga" for video-conferencing. It works fine on 2 NBs I want to connect with each other. However, both only show "local view", I can't select "remote view" to actually have a real conference so see the partner, the menu entry is greyed out.
14:31<RadoQ>Since the cams obiously work since they show the local picture, what am I missing to send/receive pictures to/of the remote site?
14:32<RadoQ>I tried both sip & h323 as connection mode.
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14:41<zathras>RadoQ, firewall?
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14:50<RadoQ>zathras, no on both sides.
14:50<RadoQ>They can initiate the VC, just not transfer the images.
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15:09<arinov>hi there
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15:10<arinov>how to figure out my network interfaces ready to use?
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15:10<arinov>it seems ifconfig is not there any more
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15:10<somiaj>arinov: one way is /sbin/ifconfig -a (this will list all active interfaces, you should see eth0, wlan0, etc if the drivers are loaded and it is ready to be configured)
15:11<arinov>thanks
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15:17<debbian>hello guys! has anyone knowledge about playstation2/samba simple media system related issues?
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15:49<MoNST>hello i have a little problem. I am trying to play some PSX games using the PCSX emulator. The problem comes when i have to use a plugin called Mooby2, but the console throws me this error : libcdrmooby-2.8.so: undefined symbol: XftDrawSetClip
15:49<MoNST>what can i do to fix this? do i have to install any package?
15:50<MoNST>what is this XftDrawSetClip? i dont know what this is
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15:51<MoNST>how can i know what package comes with the method XftDrawSetClip
15:51<debbian>MoNST: hi, i'm having trouble with a PS2 and samba, well, the summer raises retro gamers ;) anyway, maybe you have a wrong version of libcdrmooby
15:52<MoNST>i dont think so, it is the official plugin...btw i love abandonware :D
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15:52<squinty>MoNST: maybe try searching at https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages
15:53<MoNST>downloaded it from many sources but the same error, i think it is a very antique plugin so maybe today that method is deprecated, but maybe there is a package that i can install to make it run
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15:55<MoNST>no results squinty
15:55<debbian>MoNST: are you sure that you really need that plugin?
15:56<MoNST>yes, i need that exact plugin coz thats the only way to make a game run
15:56<MoNST>a concrete game run
15:56<MoNST>Tom Raider 1 indeed
15:56<MoNST>LOL
15:56<squinty>http://ngemu.com/threads/linux-error-plugins-libcdrmooby-2-8-so-undefined-symbol-xftdrawsetclip.77848/
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15:57<squinty>that is from 2006
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15:58<MoNST>yes ,the solution is to remove the plugin, but i dont want to remove it, i want to use it
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15:58<debbian>MoNST you can try downloading the source code (if any) and to compile it
15:58<MoNST>and its not a windows plugin, it is a linux plugin, the libcdrmooby is a .so file
15:59<MoNST>yes i can download the source code, but i dont know how to create the .so library from the source :S
15:59<debbian>i'll do everything for tomb raider
15:59<squinty>just saying that problem is from 2006. if a fix is available i would image a bit of googling will provide a solution
15:59<MoNST>i dont know well what to do next
16:00<MoNST>i google too much...with no results
16:00<MoNST>googled
16:00<debbian>MoNST: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14884126/build-so-file-from-c-file-using-gcc-command-line
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16:05<debbian>MoNST: it seems that the error is related to libxft.. try installing libxft2 and retry
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16:06<MoNST>i've got that library installed, i will check it again
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16:06<MoNST>i A libxft2 - FreeType-based font drawing library for X
16:06<MoNST>i A libxft2:i386
16:06<MoNST>yep
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16:06<MoNST>maybe this game needs the version 1
16:06<MoNST>this plugin sorry
16:07<MoNST>ummmm it is in Sarge
16:07<MoNST>i will try that
16:08<MoNST>lets see a big explosion here
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16:10<debbian>MoNST: i think you can use simlinks pointing at that ancient lib
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16:16<debbian>MoNST: I searched through the moody source code but i cannot find any XFT reference.. it makes me confuse
16:17<MoNST>yes, strange, and there are references to Windows Developer Studio
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16:18<bagginsDK>Hello! Do i have to do something in order to install firmware-linux properly, except apt-get install firmware-linux?
16:18<MoNST>i guess the project was built using that IDE but being C++ code...i dont know if there should be any compatibility problem
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16:21<debbian>MoNST: my advice is to try another plugin if you have not tried yet, or to find the pc version and use dosbox/wine or whatever :)
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16:22<squinty>bagginsDK: should work. after install reboot and then check to make sure firware is installed properly type dmesg | grep -i firmware
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16:23<squinty>bagginsDK: by the way sudo apt-get install linux-firmware would be the actual command
16:23<bagginsDK>squinty, mine main concern is that my fans at every system reboot are always running at 90%+.
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16:30<MoNST>the point is that unfortunately i think that there arent more linux plugins for the CD :(:(
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16:30<MoNST>but yes, using the windows version it works
16:31<MoNST>i tried it before on windows and it worked :( but not nativelly on Linux, whata pity
16:31<MoNST>anyway thank you very much debbian :D
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16:44<debbian>MoNST: you are welcome, I'm sorry I can't help you further :/
16:44<MoNST>dont worry, thank u very much, thats more than i expected :D
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16:55<bagginsDK>Why package dependencies are so messed up? I have just removed evolution and although gnome is working there are many bugs. Also in Ubuntu my gpu/cpu is running a 5-10 degrees cooler. Are any differences between drivers?
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16:59<bagginsDK>Is really Debian a desktop os? Because as far as i can see there are many issues with dependencies especially on gnome.
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17:05<mtn>bagginsDK, works great for many many folks
17:05<mtn>bagginsDK, no issues on any of my machines
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17:17<wompa>Vague statements. Maybe didn't have 'non-free' in sources.list?
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17:48<sidewalk>hey, so im having raid problems, i have active and degraded on md0, any ideas on what to do? :-)
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17:54<sidewalk>nevermind, found some tutorial
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18:05<tester_1>Is there a particular room I can ask some software licensing questions?
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18:08<Brigo>tester_1, perhaps asking in debian-devel ...
18:09<tester_1>Brigo, thank you.
18:09<sney>or #debian-mentors if you're working on packaging something
18:09<Brigo>tester_1, np :)
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18:09<abrotman>or the debian-legal mailing list
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20:01<Raku>I'm having troubles getting a netinstall iso on my usb, i'm using universal usb installer, as soon as it finishes i get "i couldnt fine a configuration file. 'debian-8.1.0-arm64-netinst.iso' is not supported, please report the exact steps taken to arrive to this message"
20:01<Brigo>Raku, are you in already in linux or windows?
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20:02<Raku>Doing this from a win7 laptop
20:03<Brigo>Raku, will you install on that computer?
20:03<Raku>No
20:04<Brigo>Raku, try this page: https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#record-windows
20:04<Raku>Ah, thankyou
20:04<Raku>I was looking all over for a page like that
20:04<Brigo>Raku, np, i was asking because: http://goodbye-microsoft.com/
20:05<Raku>Oh
20:05<Raku>Wish i had heard about that yestarday, the machine in question is also running win7 currently
20:06<Raku>How does that work?
20:07<Brigo>it download a installer and mdifi the boot loader so you can choose to install debian or undo the process.
20:07<Brigo>modify*
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20:15<Raku>Would i be able to get debian on the box without needing any cd or usb or anything?
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20:16<Brigo>Raku, yes, very impressive, eh? :)
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20:16<Raku>The internet is amazing
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20:16<abrotman>win32diskimager
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20:18<Raku>Which version does it install?
20:19<Raku>Oh i see
20:19<Raku>You choosw
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20:25<Raku>Alright, it seems im in the installer now
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20:29<Raku>Im getting an error on the "download installer components"
20:29<Raku>Its saying
20:31<jmcnaught>Raku: did the network configuration parts succeed?
20:31<Raku>http://imgur.com/hNyK9A9
20:31<Raku>Yes
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20:32<Raku>Oh hey again jmcnaught, long time no see :p
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20:32<jmcnaught>Raku: hey :) Which installer image did you use, or are you using that goodbye windows site?
20:32<Raku>The site
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20:33<jmcnaught>Raku: i'm not that familiar with that site. If it asked at the beginning which release to install (stable, testing, unstable) did you choose stable?
20:33<Raku>I chose stretch
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20:34<Raku>And then i went on to this step
20:34<Raku>And now its giving this error
20:34<Raku>So should i do stable?
20:34<jmcnaught>Raku: i would try it again with stable, testing is sometimes not installable (it's not really meant for end users, it's for testing)
20:35<Raku>Same error
20:35<Raku>With the site i did the expert install option and set it to daily builds
20:35<Raku>So, ill try rebooting
20:35<jmcnaught>Raku: in that case I would use win32diskimager on windows to prepare your USB stick
20:36<Raku>Ya i'll give it one more shot and then try that out
20:36<Raku>My old server was a wheezy netinst i did without internet :p
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20:39<Raku>Cmos is kind of borked so the date was 2006 on this box, the download failed cause of thaf :p
20:40<Raku>That*
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20:43<Raku>Ah here we go, did the stable option and i can do testing in the installer
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20:44<Raku>Can i reformat a harddrive from the installer?
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20:45<jmcnaught>Raku: you can from the standard debian installer
20:45<Raku>I need to stop being so antsy
20:46<Brigo>Raku, allways install stable, and the upgrade to testing or sid.
20:46<Raku>Ah
20:46<Raku>Thanks for the heads up
20:46<Brigo>Raku, testing installer is an automtic build which noone has tested.
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20:53<Raku>Alright, its installing now
20:53<Raku>Thanks for all the help :)
20:53<Brigo>Raku, np :)
20:53<Raku>I have no idea how this is going to go afterward though lol
20:54<Raku>This thing has 4 drives and was supposed to be raid5, but it was acting like soke had failed
20:54<Raku>Some*
20:54<Raku>It wont read any cdroms with an iso written to them though, so i couldnt check, then windows only saw 2
20:54<Raku>So i actually have no idea how many drives arent dead
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21:00<Raku>Sorry about all the dumb questions, only my second time installing debian, does the full install like this give me a DE and stuff?
21:01<Brigo>Raku, was you asking about a desktop environment?
21:01<Raku>Yes
21:01<Brigo>and you answer was yes?
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21:01<Brigo>your*
21:01<Raku>Alright, cool
21:02<Raku>My previous one was just the shell, i had fbterm so i had a pretty background that was about it though :p
21:03<Brigo>Raku, anyway you could install it easely wiht apt-get install gnome, if you want it.
21:03<Raku>Ya i know
21:04<Raku>My last box was a little, eh... Dink
21:04<Raku>Dinky*
21:04<Raku>So, i wasnt so sure i wanted xserver and all that running
21:04<blast007>it will install one if you tell it to install one when tasksel runs
21:05<Raku>Hmm
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21:06<blast007>!ig
21:06<dpkg>The Installation Guide for Debian 8 "Jessie" can be found at https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/installmanual . See also <errata>, <jessie release notes>.
21:06<Raku>Installer just said "the repository on ftp.us.debian.org couldnt be accesse, so its updates will not be made available to you at this time. You should investigate this later"
21:09<Raku>The software selection thing has an option for webserver, does it let you choose or does it install apache/nginx?
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21:09<Brigo>Raku, not sure
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21:10<Raku>Its not like i have to jump through hoops to install nginx or anything, i can just leave it unchecked :p
21:11<jmcnaught>Raku: it's probably Apache. I usually only select standard and ssh server tasks. Also if you plan on immediately upgrading to testing after the install it makes to install as little as possible right now (because you'll be downloading everything twice)
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21:12<Brigo>Raku, jmcnaught is quite right :)
21:12<Raku>Ive thought it over, im just going to stay on stable
21:12<Raku>I dont have much use to be on testing
21:13<Raku>Much reason*
21:13<jmcnaught>Raku: you'll be glad you did, jessie is awesome
21:13<Raku>Better than wheezy :p
21:14<Brigo>Raku, jmcnaught is quite right again :D
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21:25<imnotsalvy>hi
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21:39<twb>Why does warmux-data need japanese & chinese fonts?
21:41<twb>Looks like upstream ships them and the warmux packager rebuilds the .orig.tar.xz to remove them...
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21:53<Raku> The installer sees all 4 drives, can i set up raid after everything is already installed?
21:55<twb>Raku: depends exactly what you mean
21:56<Raku>This server has 4 HDDs
21:56<twb>Raku: it is a pain to install the OS without RAID, then move the OS into a RAID
21:56<Raku>It was apparently raid5 at some point
21:56<twb>If you only want e.g. /home to be on RAID then that is easy to do after the OS is installed
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21:57<Raku>Right now i think im only using one of the drives
21:57<twb>Raku: why are you suggesting that?
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21:57<twb>There might be an easier way to solve whatever problem you have
21:58<Raku>I just booted, and it says "kvm: disabled by bios"
21:58<Raku>Im not actually having an issue with raid right now
21:58<Raku>I dont think there is ine set up currently
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22:00<somiaj>Raku: it shouldn't matter if you dno't want to use processor specific features for virtual machines.
22:00<Selune>hello
22:01<Raku>Its stuck ob it
22:01<Raku>Like, it said that and then nothing else happened
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22:02<Raku>I keep getting way ahead of myself with this
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22:07<jmcnaught>Raku: are you installing to a VM or a physical server? Does it say anything else on that line?
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22:08<Raku>Physical server
22:09<jmcnaught>does it give you this message when you boot the installer, when you boot after installation?
22:09<Raku>This is my screen http://imgur.com/Zx8MXlO
22:09<Raku>This is after installation
22:09<Raku>I see grub, hit enter
22:09<Raku>Then it does this
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22:11<Brigo>Raku, did you try rescue mode?
22:12<Raku>Thats a thought
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22:15<Raku>Crap, went to grab food and missed grub
22:15<Brigo>XD
22:15<Raku>This time its said the message about 8 times though
22:16<Raku>So thats interesting
22:16<Brigo>about kms?
22:16<Raku>Yep
22:16<Raku>Kvm*
22:16<Brigo>kvm, yes, sorry.
22:17<Raku>Oh
22:17<jmcnaught>Raku: the KVM message might be unrelated to why the boot is stalling, if you boot in rescue mode it might show more boot messages that reveal another clue
22:17<Raku>Seems im on stretch anyway
22:17<Raku>Tried to go back and choose jessie
22:18<Raku>Ok
22:18<Raku>Well im in with recovery mode
22:19<Raku>Appears to have booted fine
22:19<jmcnaught>Raku: if you want to continue with stretch you might be better off in #debian-next but for a server I would strongly recommend using stable, especially if it's connected to the internet
22:19<Brigo>Raku, you would like to check /var/log/syslog for errors.
22:19<twb>If you don't care about the current install, it might be easier to just do a fresh install.
22:20<Raku>Ya i'll go for a fresh install for sure
22:20<Raku>This is a home run, its not of apt importance i do it in any sort of timely manner
22:25<Raku>Should i just dd a netinstall image from here?
22:26<Brigo>Raku, you have not internet connextion, i guess.
22:28<Raku>I do
22:30<Brigo>Raku, then you can download and write it, yes, it could be good.
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22:40<twb>Grrr. "Inmates won't know the names of these FOSS products, so I'll set the menu to use the GenericName field"
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22:41<twb>--> 10% of the games have a GenericName of "Game" or "Arcade Game", and another 10% have GenericNames like "this is a very good clone of lemmings"
22:41<twb>And some of them even have "GenericName=" so they appear in the menu with no text at all!
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23:38<Raku>I have a bit of an issue
23:38<Raku>Cant seem to get it to boot from a usb
23:39<twb>Raku: sounds like a BIOS config issue
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23:40<Raku>I have the usb as the first thing for it to boot from
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23:40<twb>Is the USB key actually bootable?
23:40<Raku>I would assume so
23:40<twb>Try swapping in a different USB key or different computer, to see if the problem follows one component
23:41<Raku>The issue is i dont even see it as an option when i bring up the boot menu
23:41<Raku>So it might be the bios just wont let me
23:41<Raku>Ill give it a shot
23:43<twb>How old is the motherboard
23:43<twb>I haven't seen x86 hardware that wouldn't boot from USB in a long time
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23:43<twb>Although I guess UEFI might have made things worse again...
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23:46<Raku>Ehh
23:47<Raku>Thiss thing is relatively old, it ran xp if thats anything to go off of
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23:48<Raku>Ya so that would be a no on it booting up on another box
23:48<twb>IIRC it was around 2000->XP that it got to be USB boot was available everywhere
23:49<twb>It took a while after the USB port itself was ubiquitous, because Windows didn't boot off USB so vendors didn't care
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23:53<Raku>What tool would you recommend for installing the iso on windows?
23:53<twb>I don't use Windows, sorry. Try ##windows on freenode
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23:54<twb>There is also http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ which runs from inside Windows
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23:57<Raku>Ol this does boot from usb the usb i tried was just broken
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23:58<twb>Yay testing!
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