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---Logopened Fri Aug 14 00:00:03 2015
00:00<beco>cant you set it there and see if it holds the value you want?
00:01<kandinski>yeah, I'll do that
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00:03<beco>dont forget to export
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00:09<goan>HI there.
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00:10<goan>Hi Beco.
00:10<goan>how are you?
00:10<beco>Doing fine. You?
00:10<goan>fine, thanks. I'm interested in develop new packages and integrate at debian repository.
00:11<goan>what's the procedure to do is?
00:11<beco>Me too! But I tried to learn the process early this year and its quite a bit of work. Maybe you should join channel debian-mentor
00:12<goan>ah. Ok, perfect!.
00:12<goan>I'm thing that Debian needs more tools, for example,
00:12<beco>Please, after you learn, come back here and teach me. :)
00:13<goan>haha, sure, i'll explain to you all knowledge about this.
00:13<goan>that I said.
00:13<goan>im working at production environments with LXC
00:13<beco>Also, download and print a hard copy of "Debian New Maintainers' Guide"
00:13<beco>You will need it
00:13<goan>I think about LXC is the future for Linux virtualization box
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00:14<goan>ok, i'm taking a look,
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00:14<beco>I have here with me version September 24, 2013. Last I printed. What version are you looking at right now?
00:15<beco>(Need a moment - or more - here, doing some stuff. BRB)
00:16<goan>I'm looking start guide for jessie version ( 2015-06-09 )
00:17<beco>Look for Josip Rodin and Osamu Aoki guide's
00:17<twb>goan: you want help with LXC?
00:17<goan>Yeah!. I'm interested in add some features to LXC.
00:17<goan>For example,
00:18<goan>at Solaris (Enterprise Global zones)
00:18<goan>1.- You can logIN at the container making a zlogin zonename
00:18<goan>at LXC, you can login at container such as lxc-login -n mycontainer
00:19<goan>I think we can do this by a different way.
00:19<goan>Is a suggestion
00:20<goan>( when you LOGIN at the container you don't need user and password that you're in GLOBAL ZONE ) :)
00:20<twb>My impression is that lxc is not very popular anymore
00:20<goan>yeah, you have the reason.
00:21<twb>systemd and libvirt can both do some/all of the same job as the package "lxc"
00:21<goan>but, I think LXC is the future for many enterprise solutions and alternatives.
00:22<goan>do you know if the general Linux people is working in a new features to LXC?
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00:22<twb>I do not know.
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00:23<twb>goan: try
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00:23<goan>Right now I have installed some containers at production environments and sometimes I have incidentes, such as "container DEAD"
00:23<twb>But I think enterprise users will use libvirt
00:23<goan>thanks, I'll take a look
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00:24<goan>Is there a better option?
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00:24<twb>It depends what you need
00:25<goan>I need an XML to set all properties (networking, names, etc) and I need use different network ifaces connected to a physical switch.
00:25<goan>this publish said that LXC is very vulnerable:
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00:27<twb>That is from 2011; it may be fixed
00:27<twb>You should try the lxc mailing list
00:27<goan>O.K. I'll send more questions to the mailing list.
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00:28<twb>Also if English is not your native language, you can try a language channel.
00:28<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
00:28<twb>^ example
00:28<goan>Ok, thanks again!,
00:28<goan>best regards.
00:29<twb>goan: Good luck :-)
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00:40<Raku>Im having some issues getting audio working on my machine, ive already given it a google and i believe this is the page im supposed to be looking at
00:40<Raku>I cant identify my card as being any of those listed there though, i have checked alsamixer however and it is all turned all the way up
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00:42<augustomorais>hi guys
00:42<Raku>This is what im getting in lspci 09:01.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB X-Fi
00:42<beco>Hi Raku, did you try pulseaudio volume control?
00:42<Raku>Im not really sure where to go from here :s
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00:43<Raku>beco: give me a moment, i will check
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00:45<augustomorais>how I disable temporarily my audio device ?
00:45<augustomorais>how can I..
00:46<beco>Hi augusto
00:46<beco>hum... disable?
00:46<twb>augustomorais: do you just want to stop noise coming out? Try "amixer sset Master toggle"
00:46<augustomorais>beco, yep. I need to test a issue here.
00:47<augustomorais>no. I want disable my soundcard.
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00:47<twb>Can you just unplug the sound card? What is the issue you're trying to test?
00:47<beco>funny question. Never tought of it. We always try to enable things here. lol
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00:48<twb>You can try rmmod the driver, or blacklist it in /etc/modprobe.d
00:48<augustomorais>no. because the debian will load the drivers and I dont want it.
00:48<twb>If you tell it the install program in /bin/false it won't
00:49<augustomorais>twb, humm... how can I do it ? app > /bin/false ?
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00:49<Raku>beco: i dont have any DE running or anything so i cant get the gui pulsaudio volume
00:49<Raku>But everything seems to be correct
00:50<beco>Raku, I see. Does your driver load correctly? No log errors? modprobe ok?
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00:50<twb>I can't find an exact version but IIRC something like this:
00:50<twb>echo install ath9k /bin/false >/etc/modprobe.d/disable-ath9k.conf
00:51<Raku>Im not sure which driver to load is my iasue
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00:51<beco>lspci shows some information that might help you find that out. or lshw
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00:51<Raku>I know
00:52<Raku>It hasnt helped
00:52<beco>lspci -v?
00:52<Raku>I gave the lspci output for my card earlier
00:52<Raku>As well as the page for it
00:52<beco>let me see
00:52<Raku>But it doesnt list my card there
00:53<Raku>According to lspci -v it says driver in use is "snd_ctxfi"
00:53<Raku>So im assuming its already taken care of it for me
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00:53<beco>and the "device" information?
00:54<Raku>What do you mean?
00:55<beco>There is a code tagged "device" in lspci. Also try lshw -C sound
00:56<augustomorais>look this: google-hangouts isn`t working on my debian. I tried debian/ubuntu live/installed. but when I go to windows, works fine. Any idea ?
00:56<augustomorais>I think that could a hardware issue
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00:58<Raku>Im not seeing any code
00:59<beco>Raku, basically what you need as "first" step is grab the hardware information from your system to be sure what it is. Then you need to google to check if the driver its reading is the supposed driver for that hardware
00:59<Raku>Ive done that
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01:00<Raku>I google what i said earlier
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01:00<Raku><Raku> Im having some issues getting audio working on my machine, ive already given it a google and i believe this is the page im supposed to be looking at
01:00<Raku><Raku> This is what im getting in lspci 09:01.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB X-Fi
01:00<twb>Raku: lsmod will tell you all your loaded drivers
01:01<beco>let me do some google of my own here
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01:01<Raku>I see it in lsmod
01:01<beco>ok, and the driver is snd_txfi
01:02<Raku>And that is loaded
01:02<Raku>I saw that it was in lsmod as well as lspci -v
01:03<jm_>and what is the exact issue then? does sound work? are there sound cards listed in 'aplay -l'?
01:04<Raku>The sound does not work
01:04<Raku>Nothing is playing
01:04<Raku>Im testing with mplayer
01:05<beco>did you read this? Is this of some help (or at least inspiration?)
01:05<twb>Raku: please pastebin the contents of /proc/asound/cards
01:05<Raku>Will do
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01:06<jm_>and stop using the damn enter key so often
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01:11<jm_>checked mixer levels? amixer scontents
01:12<jm_>also test with aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav
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01:13<jm_>make sure your speakers are not set to max or pick a different file from that dir
01:13<beco>(and check cables... never too much of a warning)
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01:24<Raku>This is my amixer output
01:24<Raku>Im guess the [off] part is my problem, cant figure out how to turn it on though
01:24<Raku>Already tried unmut
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01:28<jm_>amixer set Master 50% unmute
01:29<Raku>I think i got it hold on
01:29<Raku>I did uh
01:29<Raku>amixer -D pulse set Master 1+ toggle
01:30<jm_>if you are using PA than pavucontrol front-end can be used
01:30<Raku>Yepits working now
01:30<Raku>That noise file scared the crap out of me
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01:31<jm_>that's why I said to lower the volume
01:31<Raku>It was lowered lol
01:32<Raku>I knew exactly what to expect too, i don't know what part of it made me jump
01:34<Raku>I just have one more thing, should be much easier to resolve than this one. On my old server(debian 7) i would do "service nginx restart" for example, and it would give a little status message saying it was restarting, or if something messed up it would tell me that the config failed, i'm not getting that on this one though
01:36<twb>task-chinese-s-desktop mentions both arphic and wqy fonts. Which ones are the modern good ones?
01:37<twb>Hum, wqy-microhei says it's based on droid sans fallback
01:38<twb>I'm trying to work out a non-Pyrrhic way to configure this print browser to handle Unihan.
01:39<jm_>you can check for status etc. using journalctl -u unitname, for this instance journalctl -u nginx.service I suppose
01:39<Raku>Ya thats what it tells me to do when it fails
01:39<Raku>It used to tell me what the error was right there though, was that changed?
01:39<twb>jm_: oh WOW, I didn't know about -u; I've been laboriously typing _SYSTEMD_UNIT=
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01:40<jmcnaught>twb: journalctl and systemctl can tab complete stuff like _SYSTEMD_UNIT too
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01:41<jmcnaught>or at least bash can tab complete those commands
01:41<twb>jmcnaught: only if you install bash-completion and are using bash
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01:42<jm_>zsh can complete it too :)
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01:55<twb>So apprently /etc/fonts/conf.avail/ as at jessie, prefers Droid Sans Fallback over WQY Zen Hei
01:55<twb>Go figure
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01:57<twb>Ah but in fonts/conf.d those rules aren't there, so that's OK
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02:51<dpkg>Kali Linux ( is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on or . Also ask me about <based on debian>.
02:51<xbxk>wrong window! :)
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03:09<appas>,v youtube-dl
03:09<judd>Package: youtube-dl on amd64 -- jessie: 2014.08.05-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 2015.02.28-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 2015.06.04.1-1; sid: 2015.06.04.1-1
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03:17<fooctrl>anyone had any luck with wireless headphones?
03:17<fooctrl>they don't even get recognized as bluetooth device
03:19<twb>I only use bt for keyboard, but I remember there were roughly three steps: 1. bnep-level ping the device; 2. actually pair it; 3. convince the OS to connect the device to your running desktop session
03:19<twb>It sounds like you're still stuck on (1)
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03:21<fooctrl>when I scan it, it isn't discovered
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03:25<twb>Is the device already paired with something else nearby?
03:26<twb>I had a *huge* problem with my keyboard because I paired it under a live CD to make sure it worked with a "normal" GUI, then booted off the disk again.
03:26<twb>So the keyboard was like "well the same laptop is still there" and the keys the live thing was using were gone so I couldn't even go back in to say "you're not paired anymore, stupid keyboard!"
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03:28<fooctrl>yea, it's connected to my phone
03:30<solairion>Hi, i have a problem with a mount command, i want to mount a cifs share but i have the help message when i type that : mount –t cifs –o "username=XXX,password=XXXX,ro" "//" "/servmap/backup/useit/"
03:30<solairion>Do you see an error ?
03:31<twb>fooctrl: it won't want to pair to two things at once
03:31<twb>fooctrl: you might have to put the phone in a faraday cage
03:32<fooctrl>twb, I thought that would be the problem, so I had it disconnected from my phone
03:33<twb>fooctrl: I'm just guessing; sorry I can't help more :-(
03:33<fooctrl>twb, thanks anyways!
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04:02<grummund>Hi, anyone know of a package that can be used to monitor a static web page and email change alerts?
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04:03<grummund>there are plenty of online services but looking for something that does not rely on a 3rd party
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04:05<jm_>not anyone does, but some of us that do, use websec for that
04:07<twb>isn't that like four lines of shell? while sleep 1m; do sum=$(curl -sSf | sha512sum); [[ $sum = $oldsum ]] || mail <<<'it changed!'; oldsum=$sum; done
04:08<twb>There's probably a nagios applet for it
04:08<grummund>thank you, that's a head starter for me to re-invent the wheel :-P
04:09<twb>We actually do approximately the above, but it's a horrible broken misfeature that I'm trying to get $boss to pay to either remove or fix
04:09<twb>Because e.g. that won't look at headers and it won't look at page dependencies
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04:10<grummund>i see there is (at least one) plugin for firefox, it will even monitor inside <div> containers
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04:12<twb>Should test it by rendering the page twice to PNG and then comparing the pixels one by one!
04:13<jm_>twb: in essence yes, but websec allows you to exclude certain elements (helps me with our web page with shows Last updated info)
04:13<twb>jm_: cool
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04:14<twb>Hrm what's the package name
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04:14<twb>jm_: this one?
04:14<jm_>twb: yeah apt-cache show websec
04:15<twb>N: Unable to locate package websec
04:15<jm_>,v websec
04:15<judd>No package named 'websec' was found in amd64.
04:15<twb>rmadison says it doesn't exist
04:15<twb>When did you last clean up your system? ;-)
04:15<jm_>huh, let me check where I got it from
04:16<twb>Since it's perl I bet it fails jwz's rule #1
04:16<bagginsDK>hello, although i install iceweasel-l10n-de it is not starting in german. Any thougths? thank you
04:16<twb>bagginsDK: does "locale" show de_DE.UTF-8 or something else?
04:17<twb>That is good.
04:18<twb>I don't know iceweasel tho. Try about:config and look for references to en_US ?
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04:18<grummund>websec looks good
04:19<jm_>it definitely was in debian :)
04:19<jm_>back in 2008
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04:20<twb>Fortunately how-can-i-help now warns about such events
04:20<jm_> mentions urlwatch
04:20<judd>Bug in (closed): «RM: websec -- RoQA; abandonned upstream & orphaned»; severity: normal; opened: 2011-01-07; last modified: 2011-02-06.
04:20<grummund>it's in sarge ;)
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04:23<grummund>Version: 1.9.0-4
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04:25<jm_>cool, built latest urlwatch using uupdate with some minor tweaking needed
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04:30<jm_>yay that doesn't support http auth, not usable for me
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04:32<twb>jm_: when you finish rewriting a working version, let me know so I can steal it :P
04:32<jm_>twb: it's in python so I give up
04:33<twb>i meant from scratch, silly
04:34<jm_>websec works for me :)
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05:07<cat98>anyone awake?
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05:09<allen>just about
05:09<twb>next question please
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05:10<cat98>is it possible to create dialogs/forms in a shell and align them to left and right?
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05:12<twb>yes, but it probably involves more effort than you care to invest
05:13<cat98>haha ok
05:13<twb>There is dialog and whiptail, or you can write your own using curses or slang
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05:49-!-sonus [] has left #debian [Ухожу я от вас (xchat 2.4.5 или старше)]
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05:50<Guest1991>how about compiling linux kernel
05:50<Guest1991>do you fancy?
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05:51<Guest1991>i'm just testing how IRC works
05:51<Guest1991>just tell me if you see something
05:51<twb>Guest1991: I can hear you. Do you have a question?
05:52<Guest1991>hmmmm not now
05:52<Guest1991>but thanks for taking care
05:53<Guest1991>i tried to install CS:GO on debian wheezy
05:53<Guest1991>and it worked
05:54<Oebele>I love the support for games in jessie. steam in the repo!
05:55<Oebele>why wheezy actually?
05:55<Guest1991>yeah. But valve didn't write that engine in pure OpenGL
05:55<Guest1991>but it's translated from Directx to openGL
05:55<Guest1991>so i have lower framerate :(
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05:56<Guest1991>i have some problems with upgrading it
05:56<Guest1991>that's why wheeezy
05:56<twb>Oh, not Creative Suite then... :P
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05:56<Guest1991>what do you mean by that?
05:56<twb>You said CS:GO and I assumed some adobe thing
05:57<Guest1991>counter strike global offensive xD
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05:57<Guest1991>do you play some games on linux?
05:58<Guest1991>i mean: big games like CoD or something
05:58<twb>If you just want to chat try #debian-offtopic
05:58<Guest1991>tuxRacer is not appropriate example
05:58<Guest1991>ok thanks
05:59<Guest1991>sorry for that i didn't know(new to IRC)
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06:01<catkitty>Sorry for Guest1991(?). I didn't tell him what IRC really is. Nothing happened, pals?
06:03<twb>catkitty: no problem
06:03<catkitty>Ok, we'll not disturb any more, cya.
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06:22<finster>hello there. i am looking for information about the encoding of data in /etc/shadow. assumed i have properly encrypted binary data (hash + passwd), what encoding method do I need to make that binary data compatible for /etc/shadow?
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06:23<finster>specifically the password part of the second field in /etc/shadow
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06:24<jm_>finster: why do you want to do this manually? why not use a tool like chpasswd; if you want to know more, man 3 crypt
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06:27<finster>mmh, crypt(3) does not provide information about the representation of the binary data
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06:31<jm_>my suggestion would be to use mkpasswd if you can't figure it out from that
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06:34<Raku>Finally found an example of what i was talking about earlier here they get "starting named: [failed]" when starting the daemon, i dont get any ouput at all when starting/stopping/restarting/reloading any service, unless it fails, then it tells me to check journalctl
06:35<Raku>Is there anything i need to do to get some kind of output, even just a message saying the service started ok?
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06:36<jm_>not that I know you can immediately run journalctl or systemctl status foo
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06:37<Raku>Im just used to it giving a status message, thats how it used to work at least
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06:38<jm_>you can switch back to sysvinit if it bothers you a lot :)
06:38<finster>jm_: ok. thanks
06:38<jm_>finster: no problem
06:38<twb>finster: it's something like $6$<nonce><sha512 hash> IIRC
06:39<twb>finster: just create a test user and compare what it puts there with what you're trying to put there
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06:39<jm_>passing it to a tool say md5sum/shaFOOsum shall do
06:40<Raku>Was that a feature of sysvinot?
06:40<twb>Raku: it was common in LSB sysvinit scripts, but not ubiquitous
06:41<Raku>I guess its something i gotta get used to then...
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06:55<ditto>Hi everybody. Can maybe someone help my. I want to intall debian but have a problem.
06:56<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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06:57<ditto>right, ok. My question. I have a Dell L502X Laptop and debian setup cant find the Intel N1030 driver, but I need it to connect.
06:57<ditto>WiFi Driver it is.
06:58<jm_>what is its PCIID? lspci -nn, the value in [abcd:efgh]
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06:59<petn-randall>ditto: It might be that your wifi needs firmware to work. You can either continue installation with an Ethernet internet connection, or download the installer with firmware.
06:59<petn-randall>ditto: jm_ is referring to the output of 'lspci -nn', run as root.
06:59<ditto>graphic installation, no root until installation is done.
07:00<jm_>!tell ditto -about firmware images
07:00<petn-randall>ditto: Press ctrl+alt+F1, you should get a root shell there.
07:00<twb>Or hit <back> and then choose shell from the list of install steps
07:00<ditto>dont have ethernet possibility. I downloaded the firmware driver and put them also on the usb installation stick. but I couldnt be found.
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07:01<jm_>my recommendation is to first check PCI ID, then if we find it's supported use the image with firmware included
07:01<jm_>ctrl-alt-f2 to get the prompt
07:01<ditto>downloaded this one. iwlwifi-6000g2b-ucode-
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07:02<ditto>Can I install it, when I skip the network driver thing, when I install debian?
07:02<jm_>yes, transfer it via usb for example
07:02<ditto>Ok, thank you. I'll try that. bye
07:03<jm_>but you will need to configure networking manually
07:03<jm_>and netwroked sources.list entries
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07:17<grummund>jm_: still there? can i ask do you use webdiff or htmldiff with websec?
07:18<jm_>grummund: Diff = webdiff
07:18<grummund>Highlighting differences from previous version of webpage using htmldiff...
07:18<grummund>sh: htmldiff: command not found
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07:18<grummund>ok thanks, it's working with webdiff :)
07:19<jm_>no problem
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07:20<grummund>i made a couple of bugfixes to the perl
07:20<jm_>as in /usr/bin/websec?
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07:22<grummund>yep. -
07:23<jm_>ahh to honour MailFrom setting?
07:25<grummund>it barfs with "Use of uninitialized value ..." (the code handling webdiff already has it but missing for htmldiff)
07:25<grummund>obviously not tested :P
07:26*grummund continues the search for htmldiff
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07:29<jm_>maybe this
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07:34<grummund>yes that looks like it, i'm guessing it would be included a debian package ...
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07:53<mohammad-ghasemi>do you know an app in synaptic that can copy a distro image to a usb?
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07:58<arand_>Does aptitude store the previously dismissed dependency solutions somewhere? If so can it be cleared?
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08:00<twb>mohammad-ghasemi: "distro image" as in your normal hard disk partition, or an installer, or what?
08:00<mohammad-ghasemi> twb installer
08:00<twb>the install media are apt-get installable IIRC
08:00<twb>Not sure if there's a turnkey usb-izer
08:01<twb>Or you can just use wget and dd -- debian installer .isos can be written straight to USB keys and the will work
08:01<twb>(This is called "isohybrid")
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08:02<jm_>mohammad-ghasemi: installation manual explains how to put it on USB
08:02<jm_>arand_: I believe that is not stored anywhere
08:03<mohammad-ghasemi>twb, jm_ thank you
08:03<jm_>in linux it's simple cp, cat, dd, in windows there's w32diskimager or somesuch
08:04<SynrG>!usb install
08:04<dpkg>You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use to write images from Windows. For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>.
08:04<mohammad-ghasemi>SynrG thank you
08:04<jm_>mohammad-ghasemi: no problem
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08:05<twb>what, you can use cp like dd now?
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08:05<twb>That's... scary
08:05<arand_>I'm trying to upgrade wheezy->jessie and getting this suggestion by apt-get: (removing gnome, not good), and this by aptitude: (all kinds of issues)
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08:05<arand_>Any suggestions what to try in order to see what's bothering the upgrade?
08:06<SynrG>twb: since a very long time ago
08:06<twb>I had no idea
08:06<SynrG>Of course, still sync after before removing the usb
08:07<SynrG>Use blkid and make sure you have the device right!
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08:08<SynrG>Or ls -l /dev/disk/by-id
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08:09<jm_>arand_: have you used apt-get before or aptitude?
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08:12<Brigo>arand_, do you have any other sources or did you install packages not from debian?
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08:14<arand_>jm_: I have used apt-get for all operations previously
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08:19<jm_>unfortunately I have to go very soon, in any case, gnome is just a meta package, so removing just those two is not a big problem
08:19<jm_>(those two= gnome + gnome-core)
08:19<jm_>so I think you shall be safe but let someone else confirm that
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08:21*grummund installed /usr/local/bin/htmldiff as a byproduct of running "cpan HTML::Diff"
08:21<arand_>Brigo: Yes, I have aac-tooclhain and cndrcups-*, I have tested to uninstall these prior to the upgrade, with no difference.
08:21<grummund>not sure if that's considered best practice but it seems to have worked
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08:24<mohammad-ghasemi>I want to install an unstable package using synaptic. But I've install debian jessie and only stable packages are shown by default. How can I tell synaptic to show all packages
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08:30<petn-randall>mohammad-ghasemi: You shouldn't mix unstable and stable, that is not supported and would cause a heap of problems. If you need a newer package, take a look at jessie-backports, or even backport the software yourself.
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08:32<mohammad-ghasemi>petn-randall, thank you
08:33<talby>While e2label shows for my partitions the wished "Filesystem Volume Name" strings to be set, and in Nautilus (Files) they properly become used to show this names for the filesystems, this is not true for the filesystem to which I installed the system to. This latter on appears as "Computer". How can I configure Nautilus to also show it by its "Filesystem Volume Name"? Even the NTFS filesystems are shown by their fs name.
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08:49<SynrGy>!tell mohammad-ghasemi about ssb
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08:50<SynrGy>talby: i don't know if Nautilus makes that configurable
08:50<SynrGy>i suspect it does not
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08:52<talby>SynrG: not good news, thanks anyway! Got the hint that there is a #nautilus channel. Will try it there.
08:52<SynrGy>yep. good luck
08:52<SynrGy>of course, there's always editing the source ... ;)
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08:58<prosta_35_germany>anyone who likes to chat?
08:59<prosta_35_germany>male, female, no matter which gander
08:59<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on or ##chat on
08:59<prosta_35_germany>oh I see
08:59<prosta_35_germany>Well I've got also Debian questions.
09:00<prosta_35_germany>I thought about a compromise, but I will follow your rules.
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09:01<prosta_35_germany>That's indiscussable chatrule, I follow. In hope of good solutions ;)
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09:03<mrmyers>preosta_35_germany: A gander consists only of males. I believe you might have meant gaggle?
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09:09<jelly>prosta_35_germany: we also have a #debian-offtopic for the times when tech support is just too much
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09:27<mohammad-ghasemi>SynrGy, thanks
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09:29<prosta_35_germany>I have a question.
09:30<prosta_35_germany>I never used to compile the kernel, I just relied on using Debians built-in Kernels for the moment.
09:30<prosta_35_germany>Some applications require the compilation of at least parts of the kernel and they need the kernelsources in /usr/src/kernel-(VERSION).
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09:31<prosta_35_germany>I now have begun to search everything together
09:31<prosta_35_germany>to put
09:31<prosta_35_germany>to put everything together
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09:31<prosta_35_germany>the kbuild, the headers, the source
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09:32<prosta_35_germany>what else do I need to copy to this directory?
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09:34<prosta_35_germany>The "make oldconfig" gives: "No rules to make target '/usr/src/linux-3.2.0-4-amd64/scripts/basic/Makefile' End
09:36<prosta_35_germany>Makefile:410: recipe for target 'scripts_basic' failed
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09:41<towo^work>prosta_35_germany, if apps needs to build kernel-module, the kernel-source is not needed
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09:41<towo^work>prosta_35_germany, only the headers for the running kernel are required
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09:42<prosta_35_germany>it doesn't work
09:42<prosta_35_germany>But i will now try to fix it on my own
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09:43<towo^work>prosta_35_germany, "it doesn't work" means nothing
09:43<towo^work>it does not help at all
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09:43<prosta_35_germany>whom should it help?
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09:45<SynrGy>the people trying to help you
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09:46<prosta_35_germany>ok i post what I have that's nice
09:47<prosta_35_germany>A network card isn't working, it doesn't show up in ifconfig.
09:48<blast007>prosta_35_germany: what is the output of 'lspci -vv | grep -i network' ?
09:48<towo^work>then you should use the recent debian
09:48<towo^work>maybe the hardware is to new for the old 3.2 kernel
09:48<prosta_35_germany>the r8169 driver is included, but the card is a r8168 and since some discrepancys exist between 8168 and 8169 and the card does not go up, I am trying to install the old driver r8168 which is my approach to cancel out the failure sources
09:48<towo^work>but mostly only the right firmware is missing
09:49<prosta_35_germany>I try to install the correct firmware
09:49<towo^work>then install the firmware
09:49<prosta_35_germany>the debian package
09:49<towo^work>there is no compiling needed at all
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09:50<towo^work>prosta_35_germany, install firmware-realtek
09:51<prosta_35_germany>during the install it is said: "Error! Bad return status for module build: 3.2.0-4-amd64. Consult /var/lib/.../make.log
09:52<prosta_35_germany>firmware-realtek is the actual version
09:53<prosta_35_germany>lspci -v gives the r8169 driver for the interface
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09:53<prosta_35_germany>when I try to get the card up, which is at system startup, manual config in interfaces, the card does not show up or go up under ifconfig
09:53<prosta_35_germany>the other two cards do
09:53<prosta_35_germany>that's my problem
09:54<towo^work>install a recent debian and it will work
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09:54<prosta_35_germany>it doesn't
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09:55<prosta_35_germany>it says: RTNETLINK answers: File exists.
09:55<towo^work>it will, i have the same card ind it works like a charm with the r8169 kernel-module
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09:55<prosta_35_germany>Failed to bring up eth0.
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09:55<prosta_35_germany>and the configuration is correct.
09:56<towo^work>again, install recent debian or install a recent kernel
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09:56<blast007>prosta_35_germany: oh, and sorry, I mean -nn, not -vv
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09:57<prosta_35_germany>no problem
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09:57<blast007>prosta_35_germany: did you reboot the system after installing the firmware package?
09:57<prosta_35_germany>i did
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09:59<prosta_35_germany>Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Smiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller [10ec:8168] (rev 02)
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10:00<prosta_35_germany>oh, no kernel driver in use
10:01<prosta_35_germany>that explains it
10:01<prosta_35_germany>I used lspci -v
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10:02<prosta_35_germany>I thought that last time the correct driver r8168 stood there, but it may be because of the purging of the dkms package
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10:02<prosta_35_germany>I have to reboot now
10:02<prosta_35_germany>back in a few minutes
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10:03<prosta_35_germany>I will be back in a few minutes is correct english
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10:09<prosta_35_ger>as i mentioned r8169 in use
10:09<UsecAgo>[Question on system time, ntp and RTC] A system gets connected to internet and ntp adjusts the system time ¿when does it set that time in the RTC for having it ready in a next offline reboot?
10:09<prosta_35_ger>to be precise: Kernel driver in use: r8169
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10:10<prosta_35_ger>eth0 still does not show up in the "up-devices" under "ifconfig".
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10:15<blast007>prosta_35_ger: is the interface configured in /etc/network/interfaces ? for instance, you'd want either 'auto eth0' or 'allow-hotplug eth0' one one line, with a second line of 'iface eth0 inet dhcp' (for DHCP, more needed for static)
10:16<prosta_35_ger>it is configured with static
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10:16<prosta_35_ger>i used auto eth0
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10:16<prosta_35_ger>and I have a correct configuration with ip address, network, netmask, broadcast, thats fine, it worked with other cards
10:17<prosta_35_ger>thats the pity
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10:17<blast007>the output of 'dmesg' might have some helpful information
10:17<prosta_35_ger>one second, I am just installing the new kernel, but I don't think that it makes any difference
10:17<prosta_35_ger>got 3.2 now updating to 3.16
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10:18<prosta_35_ger>so wait a second, I will be back after restart with dmesg
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10:18<prosta_35_ger>thanks a lot prior to helping out.
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10:22<prosta_35_germany>hello again
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10:23<prosta_35_germany>dmesg shows something quite interesting
10:24<prosta_35_germany>r8169 000:01:00.0: can't disable ASPM; OS doesn't have ASPM control
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10:25<prosta_35_germany>RTL8168c/8111c at 0xffffc90004747000, xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx, XID 1x4000x0 IRQ 44
10:25<prosta_35_germany>jumbo features
10:25<prosta_35_germany>thats all
10:26<user01>hey was looking for help had a power outage and my desktop now will not start unless i do systemctl default (doesn't boot) at the command line -- any way to fix?
10:26<prosta_35_germany>i blended out the MAC Adress
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10:29<Brigo>user01, we will need to check the logs, can you paste them in
10:30<user01>Brigo: sure -- dmesg?
10:30<user01>Brigo: what logs do you need?
10:30<Brigo>user01, try journalctl -b better
10:30<Brigo>user01, try 'journalctl -b', better
10:33<user01>cant access the -- i can do though
10:34<prosta_35_germany>so, I think its the driver. Can you help me out?
10:35<Brigo>user01, line 799 and nexts
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10:36<prosta_35_germany>there is in fact an IRQ error
10:36<prosta_35_germany>so it conflicts with another device.
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10:36<prosta_35_germany>probably I try to change the cards and slots, PCI slots, that may work
10:36<prosta_35_germany>back in a few minutes
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10:37<Brigo>user01, there is not /lib/udev/socket in may system, but there is /lib/udev/ Weird.
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10:39<Brigo>user01, are you using ubuntu?
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10:40<user01>Brigo: nope debian
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10:41<Brigo>i am reading about ubuntu forums. They said it is a bug, you have to remove /etc/udev/rules.d/95-hal.rules.
10:41<Brigo>do you have that file?
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10:42<Brigo>the link:
10:42<user01>Brigo: continued here:
10:43<Brigo>user01, do you have that file?
10:43<user01>Brigo: yep
10:43<user01>its 2000+ lines
10:44<user01>oh hal you mean
10:45<user01>Brigo: i had install hal so i could view amazon stuff i think . . .
10:45<Brigo>user01, are you using wheezy?
10:45<user01>no im using jessie with a more recent kernel
10:45<Brigo>Commented out the line that looks like this: RUN+="socket:/org/freedesktop/hal/udev_event"
10:45<Brigo>user01, it that file, try it.
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10:46<Brigo>user01, that seems to be the bug in debian:
10:46<judd>Bug in src:hal (closed, sid, jessie): «Uses deprecated RUN+="socket:"»; severity: grave; opened: 2013-04-15; last modified: 2014-06-17.
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10:47<Brigo>,v hal
10:47<judd>Package: hal on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.5.14-3; wheezy: 0.5.14-8
10:47<Brigo>user01, there is no hal packages in jessie.
10:47<user01>Brigo: ok what file do i comment it out of?
10:48<Brigo>user01, /etc/udev/rules.d/95-hal.rules
10:48<imMute>in Jessie, is there a way to enable coredumps for service units? setting the core_pattern sysctl apparently isn't enough
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10:48<user01>Brigo: I think i had installed hal at somepoint so i could run amazon prime srtaming or something
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10:48<Brigo>i think hal is deprecated.
10:49<user01>Brigo: hmm nope don't see the file there
10:50<user01>only file is 70-persistent-net.rules in that directory
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10:51<Brigo>given that there is not hal package, i cannot tell you where the file is, try with dpkg -l hal.
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10:53<Brigo>user01, sorry i meant dpkg -L hal
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10:55<Brigo>user01, /lib/udev/rules.d/90-hal.rules, modify it as i told you before
10:55<Brigo>Commented out the line that looks like this: RUN+="socket:/org/freedesktop/hal/udev_event"
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10:57<user01>Brigo: yep i did that now restart?
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10:58<Brigo>user01, yes, good luck :)
10:59<user01>ok let's see
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11:13<user01>nope didnt work :/
11:13<user01>the log when i boot shows something different
11:13<user01>i think ill need to do fsck on /dev/sdb
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11:14<Brigo>user01, that would be another diffente error :)
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11:17<user01>Brigo: right when i boot it says that . . .
11:18<user01>let me see
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11:19<user01>what log would have the screen that told me to boot?
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11:19<user01>Brigo: the one that told me to do a manual fsck and to try systemctl defalt
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11:20<Brigo>journalctl -b will show you all the system logs.
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11:28<beco>Good morning for those who are in the morning. For those who are not, keep it till tomorrow morning anyway.
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11:30<user01>Brigo: ended up just needing a fsck on /dev/sdb
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11:30<Brigo>user01, so problem resolved? :)
11:30<user01>Brigo: yep, it boots again :)
11:31<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
11:31<Brigo>finally :)
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11:32<user01>Brigo: do you know if debian will support high resolution screens like macbook pros?
11:33<Brigo>user01, is not debian, but the drivers which have to support it.
11:33<Brigo>i don't know if drivers in debian support already it.
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11:33<user01>Brigo: I think its a question of redoing icons etc as well
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11:34<Brigo>may be some of them.
11:35<Brigo>i am using mate (pretty old) wiht a 21'' screent and resolution 1920x1080, quite good.
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11:35<Brigo>so may be something newer as gnome3 could do it even better.
11:36<Brigo>i really can't tell.
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11:44<beco>What is the word from upstream?
11:44<rsmith>Any suggestions for on an online IDE which I can use for students in a C++ class?
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11:45<rsmith>Any suggestions for an online IDE I can use for students in a C++ class?
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11:47<loconet>hello everyone I have some troubles with clementine on Debian 8
11:48<loconet>It was working good until,,,,
11:48<loconet>Error: Could not open the device to play.
11:48<beco>rsmith, I had a nice link here but I cant find it now. Let me check my webhistory to find it for you
11:49<rsmith>beco: thanks!
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11:49<loconet>I tried to reinstall or find out a solution on google but.... nothing
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11:55<beco>rsmith, found it
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11:55<beco>I'm not sure if that is what you need, because its limited. Its part of a online course
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11:56<beco>Please, take a look at the entrance home page. Lots of courses and different languages
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11:59<loconet>I fixed it up changing the output complement to Audio sink ALSA
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12:07<rsmith>beco: thanks!
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12:25<prosta_35_germany>I still have the problem with the following error:
12:26<prosta_35_germany>RTNETLINK answers: File exists. Failed to bring up eth0.
12:26<prosta_35_germany>may anyone have a solution for this fault?
12:28<prosta_35_germany>I still can't get the card up
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12:29<prosta_35_germany>it is a driver, a number higher than the card specification, rtl8169 with an 8168 card. I really need to fix this issue, your help is welcomed.
12:30<prosta_35_germany>I have installed firmware-realtek and the driver taken from the kernel ist r8169
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12:30<prosta_35_germany>The configuration (static) got no faults
12:30<towo`>r8169 is for 8168 too
12:30<prosta_35_germany>for all 8168?
12:31<towo`>no, for realtek 8168
12:32<towo`>and have you now updated your kernel to a recent version?
12:32<prosta_35_germany>i have
12:32<prosta_35_germany>RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 02)
12:32<towo`>03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 0c)
12:32<towo`>and it works fine
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12:33<prosta_35_germany>RTNETLINK answers: file exists. Failed to bring up eth0.
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12:36<prosta_35_germany>I can not get about File exists. Which file? Where?
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12:40<prosta_35_germany>mysteriously I got 3 such faults and I was able to eliminate one, by changing dhcp configuration, but since dhcp is not running anymore, because of a faulty configuration, I can rule that out.
12:41<prosta_35_germany>are there more than one mounting-point for eth0 network devices? Can there arise a conflict between both?
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12:41<prosta_35_germany>The interfaces file has got no errors in it.
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12:41<prosta_35_germany>I checked it over and over again.
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12:42<prosta_35_germany>when I change the IP-Adress in the interfaces file, it says: Cannot assign requested address
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12:43<prosta_35_germany>as if the kernel can't access the card and that should be a driver problem, at least one of the bridge-drivers, don't you think so?
12:44<prosta_35_germany>In fact there is a bridge, which isn't using a kernel driver, because there simply is none
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12:45<prosta_35_germany>Its called: PCI Bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge (rev 90) (prog-if 01 [Subtractive decode])
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12:46<prosta_35_germany>but I don't know how to find the correct Debian-File which contains it.
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12:49<Dylan>I installed Debian on an old pc to use as homeserver. After some uptime the system seems to freeze and display ¨BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer derefrence at 0000000000000216¨. When this error is displayed the server doesn´t respond to any ssh requests or pings. I can´t find any info about it on the internet. Where are the crash logs located and how should I go about repairing it?
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12:51<retrospectacus>prosta_35_germany: what IP are you trying to set it to
12:52<prosta_35_germany>normal local range 192.168.x.x
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12:52<prosta_35_germany>the driver for the bridge isn't installed, I think that's it
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12:53<retrospectacus>show us your interfaces file
12:53<prosta_35_germany>auto eth0
12:53<prosta_35_germany>iface eth0
12:54<prosta_35_germany>iface eth0 inet static
12:54<retrospectacus>not here...
12:54<retrospectacus>show us your interfaces file using
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12:57<retrospectacus>if your interfaces file contains nothing but "auto" it ain't goint to work.
12:57<prosta_35_germany>i typed more lines, but it only shows the first word
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12:59<blast007>prosta_35_germany: try a different paste site like
13:00<retrospectacus>if at all possible, copy and paste, don't type
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13:01<prosta_35_germany>can't get text out of XTerm
13:01<prosta_35_germany>Do you know a shortcut?
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13:03<wm4>how can I compile a x86 64 bit kernel for 32 bit userspace? (the tricky part is creating a debian package that will generate a correct initrd)
13:03<retrospectacus>get rid of metric, network and broadcast lines, you don't need those
13:03<wm4>on the internet I found the suggestion to use "make deb-pkg ARCH=x86_64 KBUILD_DEBARCH=i386", but this gives a kernel panic on boot (can't find init)
13:04<retrospectacus>prosta_35_germany: select it with the mouse. then middle click to paste. If you don't have a DE, install gpm for CLI mouse support
13:04<prosta_35_germany>I see, cli mouse support works, thanks
13:05<prosta_35_germany>lines deleted
13:05<prosta_35_germany>no broadcast, no network, no metric
13:05<prosta_35_germany>testing, one second
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13:06<prosta_35_germany>nothing changed
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13:07<prosta_35_germany>RTNETLINK answers: File exists. Failed to bring up eth0.
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13:09<retrospectacus>use the paste site to show us your file and command(s) and output
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13:11<prosta_35_germany> ifup -v eth0
13:11<prosta_35_germany>Configuring interface eth0=eth0 (inet)
13:11<prosta_35_germany>run-parts --exit-on-error --verbose /etc/network/if-pre-up.d
13:11<prosta_35_germany>run-parts: executing /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/hostapd
13:11<prosta_35_germany>ip addr add broadcast dev eth0 label eth0
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13:14<retrospectacus>says eth0 is already up
13:14<Dylan>Isn´t there a tool which I can use to monitor what triggers the BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference? Because the server just randomly throws out that bug
13:14<scootergrisen>So i want to use newer versions of programs in Debian, so i guess i should swtich from stable to unstable branch... So what changes do i need to do in sources.list
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13:14<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell scootergrisen about testing
13:14<prosta_35_germany>I can't see it when I type "ifconfig"
13:14<prosta_35_germany>its simply not there
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13:15<retrospectacus>is there another iface with that same IP?
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13:17<blast007>why blank out the IPs?
13:17<prosta_35_germany>I am able to ping it, but thats from the computer I am working on and I don't think that it goes via the networkcard
13:17<prosta_35_germany>not neccessary?
13:17<retrospectacus>they're private
13:17<retrospectacus>who cares
13:17<prosta_35_germany>(the chipset)
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13:18<blast007>just makes it impossible for us to tell if there *is* a conflict. the wlan0 one ends in a .1 it seems, so for all we know the third octet is a 3 and is the reason your eth0 won't come up.
13:18<retrospectacus>see, you have a whole bunch or interfaces. Why didn't you paste your actual interfaces file? It's really hard to help you when you don't give us the info we ask for... and none of this is remotely sensitive information
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13:19<prosta_35_germany>I've got no driver for this interface
13:19<prosta_35_germany>and I think because its onboard LAN, that this may be the problem.
13:20<prosta_35_germany>The chipset driver is not supported by the kernel
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13:20<prosta_35_germany>i will give you the whole file, one second
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13:21<retrospectacus>there is no way your PCI bridge is involved
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13:22<retrospectacus>what IP does eth1 have?
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13:24<retrospectacus>prosta_35_germany: can you run "ifconfig -a ; ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0" and pastie it
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13:28<retrospectacus>this appears to indicate that there is no link on eth0 (no cable or nothin on the other end of the cable) - check the lights
13:29<retrospectacus>try "mii-tool" command
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13:31<prosta_35_germany>eth0 is not up, mii-tool does only give the outputs to eth1 and eth2
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13:31<retrospectacus>well, that's why. no link
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13:33<retrospectacus>yeah those RTNETLINK type messages are extremely unhelpful
13:33<prosta_35_germany>the orange light is on the green one is blinking
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13:34<retrospectacus>on all 3 eths?
13:35<prosta_35_germany>unfortunately two don't have an orange light, but a green / blue one
13:36<retrospectacus>try unplug/plug them and see what appears on the end of "dmesg" output
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13:38<bofh_omega>prosta_35_germany: maybe also try a dmesg | grep -i eth
13:39<prosta_35_germany>nothing happens
13:40<prosta_35_germany>really frustrating, hm
13:41<prosta_35_germany>eth1 and eth2 are up, same as mii-tool
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13:41<prosta_35_germany>(thousands of iptables messages)
13:42<prosta_35_germany>but eth0 is not
13:42<bofh_omega>what kind of NIC is it? You need to see something like e1000e 0000:00:19.0 eth0: (PCI Express:2.5GT/s:Width x1)
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13:44<blast007>might be worth trying from a live DVD with firmware to narrow down an issue with the current install:
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13:44<prosta_35_germany>well I would need to get the Intel ICH10 Chipset drivers
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13:45<prosta_35_germany>the Chipset on the Board, one of you excluded that, ist the Intel ICH10 Chipset
13:45<blast007>why do you think you need drivers for that?
13:46<prosta_35_germany>and I have at least two devices which have no Kerneldriver to user
13:46<prosta_35_germany>and I have at least two devices which have no Kerneldriver to use
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13:46<prosta_35_germany>Because I think, that an On-Board Network Card, included deep in the PCI Chipset, needs the correct Chipset drivers to function
13:47<prosta_35_germany>at least for the bridge, but you may tell me that it isn't like that
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13:48<prosta_35_germany>You might understand me, if you look at this Pastie:
13:49<prosta_35_germany>Kernel driver in use, Kernel driver in use, Kernel driver in use, NOTHING in use, Kernel driver in use
13:49<blast007>it doesn't need a driver
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13:50<prosta_35_germany>In windows there are special chipset drivers for ASUS-Mainboards
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13:50<prosta_35_germany>fool me, if I am wrong.
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13:51<bofh_omega>had a look at but don't get your point. The drivers there are for USB, nothing for eth
13:52<prosta_35_germany>Look at 00:1e.0
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13:52<prosta_35_germany>NO "Kernel driver in use"
13:53<prosta_35_germany>all the others have a driver
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13:53<prosta_35_germany>this one doesn't
13:53<blast007>I have several things on my system that do not have a kernel driver. not everything needs a driver.
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13:53<blast007>my "Host bridge: Intel Corporation Haswell DRAM Controller" doesn't have a driver. guess I can't use my RAM until I load a driver for it, right?
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13:54<prosta_35_germany>ASUS is a special case, if I remember correctly from windows
13:54<leo_>Hey guys, I'm getting this error when I try to make the configure file from my git installation - anybody know what's going wrong?
13:54<leo_>GEN configure
13:54<leo_>/bin/sh: 1: autoconf: not found
13:54<leo_>make: *** [configure] Error 127
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13:54<blast007>leo_: install autoconf/automake (and whatever else the INSTALL or README files for that source tell you to install as dependencies)
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13:54<bofh_omega>leo_ apt-cache search autoconf
13:55<prosta_35_germany>well it works, but only in standard mode and I believe, but you may tell me that I am wrong, that some ASUS devices need drivers
13:55<prosta_35_germany>On Windows, unfortunately.
13:55<prosta_35_germany>But thats a hardware fact
13:55<blast007>prosta_35_germany: yes, you're wrong
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13:56<prosta_35_germany>why doesn't the card go up then hmpf
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13:56<leo_>blast007: automake: no Automake input file found for `configure'
13:56<leo_>automake: no input file found among supplied arguments
13:56<leo_>Is the error I'm getting
13:57<bofh_omega>please try a live linux to check. knoppix or anything will do
13:57<blast007>prosta_35_germany: my suggestion to try a live DVD still stands
13:57<leo_>When I try automake
13:57<scootergrisen>If i want to switch from stable to testing should i have lines with "testing/updates" in sources.list?
13:57<leo_>blast007: (thanks for the help by the way)
13:57<prosta_35_germany>and what shall I do with the live DVD?
13:57<blast007>scootergrisen: if you're asking that, you probably shouldn't be switching to testing
13:57<leo_>blast007: never mind - I think I've fixed the problem!
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13:58<scootergrisen>Well i want to be able to use newer version of programs
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13:58<retrospectacus>that's not really what testing is for. It's for people to test and debug the next release
13:59<retrospectacus>what particular program do you want a newer version of? Maybe there is a backport
13:59<scootergrisen>Like VLC for example
13:59<retrospectacus>,v vlc
14:00<judd>Package: vlc on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze-backports: 2.0.3-5~bpo60+2; wheezy: 2.0.3-5+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 2.0.3-5+deb7u2+b1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2.0.3-5+deb7u2+b1; squeeze-backports-sloppy: 2.0.5-1~bpo60+1; wheezy-backports: 2.1.5-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.2.0~rc2-2; stretch: 2.2.1-2+b2; sid: 2.2.1-2+b3; wheezy-multimedia:
14:00<judd>1:2.0.6-dmo3; jessie-multimedia: 1:2.2.1-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 1:2.2.1-dmo9
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14:00<Ntemis>trying to install chrome
14:00<Ntemis>google-chrome-stable depends on libappindicator1
14:00<Ntemis>any help?
14:01<blast007>Ntemis: why chrome instead of chromium?
14:01<Ntemis>ok will do me just fine
14:01<Ntemis>apt get it?\
14:01<retrospectacus>scootergrisen: you *really* need 2.2.1 instead of 2.2.0? you could try that dmo version
14:02<scootergrisen>Yeah i need to test translation in newest version
14:02<scootergrisen>Ok i try jessie-multimedia
14:02<retrospectacus>you need to test translation? why?
14:02<scootergrisen>I'm translating it
14:02<Ntemis>asked me to -f install and chrome is installed
14:03<blast007>Ntemis: oh, so you're still going to try using Chrome? thought you meant you were going to use Chromium.
14:03<retrospectacus>scootergrisen: well, ok but IME dmo software is fairly crap. /msg dpkg dmo
14:04<Ntemis>i did try to install chromium but complained that i must -f install
14:04<Ntemis>so here i am with chrome running
14:04<blast007>it was probably because you had chrome half installed
14:04<Ntemis>yeap but not loading
14:04<retrospectacus>installing any 3rdparty .deb file with dependencies will work that way
14:05<Ntemis>cmd for it so i can check whats wrong/
14:05<scootergrisen>ok maybe i just test it switch back to stable
14:05<blast007>uninstall chrome and use chromium
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14:05<retrospectacus>scootergrisen: or create a stretch/sid VM for messing around in that space
14:05<Ntemis>just run google-chrome from cmd and no errors just refuses to run
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14:06<blast007>Ntemis: again, *uninstall* chrome and use chromium
14:06<retrospectacus>Ntemis: we don't support google crhome. it's not part of debian
14:06<scootergrisen>yeah i might do that
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14:06<Ntemis>i dont care i just want to use something else that iceweasel
14:06<retrospectacus>chrome is just chromium with some added privacy violation patches anyways
14:07<Ntemis>purged chrome
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14:07<Ntemis>installing chromium
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14:07<blast007>Ntemis: and if you need Flash Player in chromium, there is pepperflashplugin-nonfree, but if you can live without flash, all the better
14:08<Ntemis>thanks good to know
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14:08<Ntemis>am so get used to using buntu nowdays
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14:11<Nemoder>chrome also includes EME/widevine DRM which unfortunately sites like netflix require now
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14:14<scootergrisen>How do i what address to write between deb and jesse-multimedia?
14:14<scootergrisen>I tried two addresses but is says ignoring when i run apt-get update
14:15<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell scootergrisen about dmo
14:16<retrospectacus>the dmo website probably says, or say "dmo jessie" or whatever to that robot in pm
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14:18<prosta_35_germany>How can I find you, weather I need the igb or e1000 or e1000e Intel base driver?
14:19<leo_>Does anybody here use the Input font? I'm trying to figure out how I can use it as my default Terminal font - any tips?
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14:20<prosta_35_germany>or is it already implemented in the kernel?
14:20<prosta_35_germany>find out
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14:20<prosta_35_germany>not you
14:20<prosta_35_germany>How can I find out, wether I need the igb or e1000 or e1000e network Intel base driver?
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14:21<ml|>dpkg: tell prosta_35_germany about pciid
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14:34<prosta_35_germany>I need to install e1000e driver from Intel.
14:34<prosta_35_germany>Is there a debian package for it?
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14:35<prosta_35_germany>got tar.gz from Intel direct
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14:36<lostatwork>prosta_35_germany: wouldn't this be what you are looking for
14:37<retrospectacus>e1000e is built into the kernel since years ago. You don't need to do anything
14:37<prosta_35_germany>no, it is not a wireless network adapter
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14:38<prosta_35_germany>another dead end
14:38<lostatwork>ok if is not a wireless network adpater then what is it ?
14:39<prosta_35_germany>it is a wired network adapter, which is correctly configured in /etc/network/interfaces
14:39<prosta_35_germany>but does not show up, neither work under ifconfig
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14:39<prosta_35_germany>although fully configured
14:39<prosta_35_germany>it returns: RTNETLINK answers: file exists. Can not bring up eth0.
14:40<prosta_35_germany>every time, again and again.
14:40<prosta_35_germany>The IP-V6 adress can't be assigned
14:41<prosta_35_germany>if I type in ifconfig eth0, although it is not in the list, if I only type "ifconfig", it displays the following:
14:42<leo_>Has anybody here managed to install Spotify on Debian?
14:42<prosta_35_germany>There is no IPV6 Address assignment, the IPV4 Adress can be pinged, but the card doesn't go up and only from my computer, not from outside
14:43<prosta_35_germany>all other network devices, currently up and running have an inet6 assignment
14:44<r6ku>leo_: it works on stable, however there's no 32bit version available for it
14:44<prosta_35_germany>its the latest kernel running
14:45<prosta_35_germany>And I really need it, because I have to tranfer data and send this data via Internet
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14:45<retrospectacus>prosta_35_germany: see, where it says "BROADCAST MULTICAST" it should have "UP" and "RUNNING" there too.
14:46<prosta_35_germany>I'm fucked up and pissed on (sorry)
14:46<prosta_35_germany>I see, so it is not up, as I thought, thanks
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14:46<prosta_35_germany>what can I do?
14:47<prosta_35_germany>I will have a tschaine pause (russian - Teabreak)
14:47<retrospectacus>"ifconfig" only shows interfaces which are up. "ifconfig -a" and "ifconfig eth0" would show it
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14:49<retrospectacus>you could checkout "mii-tool -v"
14:49<prosta_35_germany>eth0 not in there under "mii-tool -v"
14:50<prosta_35_germany>What about the BIOS?
14:50<prosta_35_germany>I changed a lot there, but unfortunately I do not exactly know about every detail.
14:50<prosta_35_germany>Is there anything that the current kernel doesn't support, which conflicts with on Board network cards?
14:50<prosta_35_germany>Thanks prior to answering.
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14:52<retrospectacus>no; if you can see the interface in eth0 and see what driver in lspci -k then you should be good to go regarding drivers
14:52<retrospectacus>* see the interface in ifconfig -a
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14:53<prosta_35_germany>Yes the driver is outlined there
14:53<prosta_35_germany>so, bios discrepancies? I might want to update the bios to the last version
14:53<prosta_35_germany>do you think that this could play a role?
14:54<Nemoder>any errors related to eth0 or the network driver from running dmesg ?
14:54<prosta_35_germany>There is somethink like "Plug & Play OS"
14:54<retrospectacus>possibly. maybe you accidentally disabled that card in the BIOS
14:54<prosta_35_germany>unfortunately not, the card is enabled
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14:54<prosta_35_germany>But I don't know about all the other functions, its a trial and error, and I don't like trial and error in this cases
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14:55<scootergrisen>Do i need to run "apt-get install deb-multimedia-keyring" before i can get VLC 2.2.1 from
14:55<finster>hello all. i tried to put the following into however, all after the leading class will be truncated, see . why is this?
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14:57<retrospectacus>scootergrisen: no but if you don't you'll have to type "yes" about the untrusted key every time in the future you install from there.
14:58<scootergrisen>I just dont see 2.2.1 in packages.
14:59<retrospectacus>looks like paste.d.n is broken
14:59<retrospectacus>scootergrisen: "apt policy vlc"
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15:00<scootergrisen>says unvalid handle policy
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15:00<scootergrisen>Do i need to uninstall the other VLC i have first?
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15:01<retrospectacus>"unvalid handle policy"?? no way
15:02<scootergrisen>Translated from my language
15:03<scootergrisen>Dont know if that is what is says exactly in english
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15:04<retrospectacus>try "apt-cache policy vlc" but I am fairly sure "apt" works too
15:04<scootergrisen>If i run apt shot vlc it says 2.2.1-dmo1, but the version i have installed is 2.2.0
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15:04<retrospectacus>well, apt install vlc=2.2.1-dmo1
15:05<scootergrisen>says installed is 2.2.0 and candidate is 2.2.1.dmo1
15:05<retrospectacus>to install a certain version
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15:05<retrospectacus>if dmo is the candidate then "apt install vlc" should install (upgrade) it
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15:05<scootergrisen>Should i not be able to see it in the GUI program packages in gnome?
15:06<retrospectacus>probably should
15:06<retrospectacus>never used anthing like that
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15:08<scootergrisen>2.2.1-dmo1 is not found for vlc
15:09<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell scootergrisen about bat
15:09<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell scootergrisen about localized errors
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15:12<scootergrisen>Funny. The version is 1:2.2.1-dmo1 not 2.2.1-dmo1
15:12<retrospectacus>there ya go
15:13<scootergrisen>Thought is was not part of the version number
15:13<retrospectacus>it's the epoch. It's kind of part of it, in some ways
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15:44<prosta_35_germany>back again
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15:44<prosta_35_germany>If I have two devices with the same driver, do I have to take special precautions?
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15:45<prosta_35_germany>Do I have to differentiate, may that be the cause of the Errorcode: RTNETLINK answers: file exists. Can not bring up eth0?
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15:46<prosta_35_germany>that could be tested by taking out one card
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15:49<prosta_35_germany>is that possible?
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16:04<veggi3s>i have a 3 minute music wav file as a buddy pounce in pidgin, now once i am alert, i would like to stop that music file without exiting the whole pidgin program, is there a way to stop it once it already started?
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16:06<veggi3s>For pidgin, i have a 3 min wav music file as a buddy pounce, now once i am alerted and awake, is there a way to turn off that music without exiting the whole program? even the mute and lower volumn buttons on my laptop dont work nor do anything
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16:16<mith_>can anyone help me about k3b and wma files?
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16:18<mith_>I can't burn cd using wma files and k3b. K3b say that this format isn't supported
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16:41<phillipsjk>So I enabled multi-arch prior to installing wine (on the assumption that 32-applications need it). However, now I can not run 64 bit binaries (including winecfg)
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17:19<jhutchins>mith_: You can convert them to a format k3b supports.
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17:21<jhutchins>mith_: Do you have libk3b6-extracodecs installed?
17:21<mith_>jhutchins, yes, but I was interested about the k3b's problems with wma
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17:21<mith_>yes jhutchins, i have already installed it
17:21<jhutchins>mith_: It's proprietary.
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17:22<mith_>I converted all with winff now, but I don't understand why It is not possible work with k3b. Yes, but mp3 is proprietary too, isn't it?
17:23<jhutchins>mith_: Looks like it supports wav, mp3, flac, and vorbis.
17:23<mith_>not wma?
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17:23<jhutchins>mith_: I think the mp3 patents may have run out.
17:24<jhutchins>mith_: Correct, at least according to wikipedia.
17:24<mith_>why not wma? :S :)
17:24<mith_>jhutchins, i understand
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17:25<mith_>Pluggable audio decoding. Plugins for WAV, MP3, FLAC, and Ogg Vorbis are included.
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17:27<mith_>why not wma....? xD ok, I accept this, life is a difficult stuff
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17:28<mith_>jhutchins, thx
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17:31<jhutchins>mith_: I think wma because it's proprietary and Microsoft.
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17:31<mith_>jhutchins, i believe it too
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18:28<Ouzsy>someone please help! I want to make a bootable usb stick with winxp on it. I dd-ed the iso to the stick, but the boot flag is not set to "on". And I cant change the flag because because of iso 9660 filesystem (I think) When I try to change filesystem label, Disks says : "Don't know how to change label on device of type filesystem:iso9660 (udisks-e
18:28<Ouzsy>rror-quark, 11)"
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18:32<Brigo>Ouzsy, if the filesystem is iso 9660, it is readonly filesystem and you can't change it.
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18:33<Ouzsy>ah, and how should I do something with it < >(
18:33<retrospectacus>I don't think you need to set the boot flag. Just tell your PC to boot the USB
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18:33<Ouzsy>I did
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18:33<Ouzsy>I choosed it on bootup to boot from usb
18:33<blast007>Ouzsy: you dd'ed the Windows XP ISO to a flash drive?
18:34<Ouzsy>dd if=609-xsp3.iso of=/dev/sdc
18:34<blast007>that will not work, and doesn't really have anything to do with Debian
18:35<Ouzsy>then how should I put that xp installer onto a flash disc?
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18:36<Brigo>Ouzsy, ask in #windows, in freenode network, or ask google.
18:36<Ouzsy>:/ that was mz first shot
18:37<Ouzsy>I mean google
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18:37<blast007>(fwiw, I don't think XP supported installing from USB flash - think that was Win7+, maybe Vista+)
18:38<Brigo>Ouzsy, you can't just copu a dvd iso to a usb and boot it. The iso image has to be modify. Search for those modify images.
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19:17<rlph>what is best way for installing debian testing netinstall
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19:20<ml|>rlph: You should use stable installer to install. Then move to testing if that is what you want.
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19:28<koanhead>for purpose of grub-efi-ia32 package, is `ia32`==`i386`?
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19:29<rplh>koanhead: yes
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19:32<Marillion>koanhead: not really, it is i586, because it was changed to upper PII CPU
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19:51<s7r>what is the recommended way to speedup a package upgrade which would also fix a bug?
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20:21<r00t> You ever get microwaved when you sleep and wake up gasping for air after getting a microwaved to skull dream about the government literally killing you?
20:23<r00t>jzuskngOsubhumnz> why would you dual boot
20:23<r00t>* doertedev has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
20:23<r00t><jzuskngOsubhumnz> its called use vmware in windows for max hardware support
20:23<r00t><riaqn> -> so finally portage switched to git?
20:23<r00t><jzuskngOsubhumnz> linux sucks by itself
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20:23<r00t><jzuskngOsubhumnz> its a mind control basically
20:23<r00t>* ChanServ gives channel operator status to iamben
20:23<r00t><jzuskngOsubhumnz> dual booting causes microwave
20:23<r00t><MachinaeWolf> I just wish I didn't have to use windows for school because of adobe creative cloud...
20:23<r00t>* iamben sets ban on *!*
20:23<r00t>* You have been kicked from #gentoo by iamben (jzuskngOsubhumnz)
20:23<r00t>* Cannot join #gentoo (You are banned).
20:24*dvs looks at the channel name
20:25<Marillion>r00t: please do NOT paste bullshit or crosspostings without any sense
20:26<r00t>4 anarchy
20:26<PEB>go test elsewhere
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20:54<Mario>Hello Can someone help me with my nvidia driver?
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21:03<sleser>guys is there a way to find out what is using this file .fuse_hidden000000f300000002
21:03<sleser>looks like its a mp3 file
21:04<sleser>not sure what created thise files in a directory
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21:09<Nemoder>sleser: fatrace can show you what process is accessing what files
21:10<Brigo>sleser, command 'file' can tell you what kind of file is that.
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21:10<Brigo>sleser, and fuser can tell you what process are using that file, if any.
21:11<Jikan>Hum. compton tells me "No render extension" and refuses to start. Nvidia drivers are properly installed and direct rendering is working. Any clue?
21:11<arinov>hello there
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21:12<sleser>fuse .fuse_hidden000000f300000002 wont show nothing
21:14<sleser>oh fuser
21:14<sleser>it wont show nothing
21:14<Nemoder>you can use stat to see the timestamp when the file was created and try to look at what programs were running at the time
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21:18<Brigo>sleser, then nothing is using it at this momment.
21:18<sleser>how they got in to this directory
21:18<sleser>thise file were supose to go from gpodder to spesific dir
21:18<Brigo>sleser, try the file command.
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21:19<sleser>.fuse_hidden000000f300000002: MPEG ADTS, layer III, v1, 192 kbps, 44.1 kHz, JntStereo
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21:20<Brigo>video? sound?
21:20<sleser>129 mgb
21:21<sleser>the other one 87mb another one 90
21:21<sleser>i know what thise files are some how they apeard where they not supose to and they change their file names to .fuse hiden
21:21<Brigo>sleser, I would not worry about it, It is just a NSA spy file, the usual, you know :)
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21:22<sleser>wipe them out ?
21:22<sleser>nah this isnt nsa
21:22<finchd>probably from using FUSE either NTFS-3G or similar, and it is probably part of a failed file copy?
21:22<Nemoder>yeah, sounds like a temp file that didn't get cleaned up
21:23<finchd>a la the .nfsXXXXXXX files made when an NFS mount gets out of date
21:23<sleser>wipe it ?
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21:23<finchd>it didn't succeed the file transfer, so make sure you have your originals
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21:24<sleser>what if , gpodder didnt download it complete does that consider failed file copy ?
21:24<finchd>probably, yeah
21:24<sleser>got you ok
21:24<finchd>are these on a NTFS drive or ?
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22:28<thomasross>I'm trying to use quod libet to play music, and I'm getting this: (Paste Ubuntu since p.d.o isn't working for some reason)
22:29<jmcnaught>thomasross: it's :) also are you using jack?
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22:35<thomasross>jmcnaught: no i'm using alsa
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22:36<thomasross>(missing comma)
22:36<thomasross>jmcnaught: also, yeah, only keeps the first line for some odd reason
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22:36<jmcnaught>thomasross: i don't know quodlibet but that error makes me think it is configured to use jackd instead of alsa for output
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22:38<thomasross>jmcnaught: yeah, i don't know how to make it use alsa
22:39<thomasross>jmcnaught: looking more into it it looks like gstreamer is set up to use jack
22:39<jmcnaught>thomasross: did it used to run before? can other users run it? you could look for it's per-user config in (it would be in ~/.config probably or a directory starting with a . in ~)
22:39<thomasross>jmcnaught: i've never got it to work
22:40<thomasross>jmcnaught: well, i mean, the window opens, but I can't play anything
22:40<jmcnaught>do other programs that make sound work at all?
22:41<jmcnaught>specifically other programs using gstreamer?
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22:50<jmcnaught>thomasross: have you changed anything sound related stuff at all?
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22:52<thomasross>jmcnaught: not really
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22:54<jmcnaught>thomasross: for troubleshooting you could try playing a wav file with aplay from alsa-utils and see if that works. sound just works usually for me. i have found a few systems where some channel is muted that i've neeed to use alsamixer to unmute to get sound working
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22:55<jmcnaught>thomasross: you should be able to find a wav file in /usr/share/sounds
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23:08<justin_>How does one install Firefox browser? I downloaded the taz file from the website, but I don't know what to do next. Extract it? Open it?
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23:09<jmcnaught>justin_: iceweasel is firefox just renamed
23:10<justin_>But I want firefox
23:11<justin_>And isn't iceweasel on Debian really outdated somewhat?
23:12<jmcnaught>the iceweasel that comes with debian is usually the ESR release. there's a semi-official repo here run by the debian mozilla maintainers if you want to have the release version of iceweasel:
23:13<justin_>And it is basically firefox?
23:14<jmcnaught>justin_: it is firefox, it uses firefox add-ons and works exactly the same way
23:14<justin_>How would I add the repo or whatever so I have the most up to date version?
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23:14<jmcnaught>justin_: the instructions are on the page i linked above
23:15<justin_>cool thanks
23:17<justin_>Okay I have a new problem. Sudo won't accept my root password, and I know for a fact that it is correct. What should I do?
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23:20<jmcnaught>justin_: sudo takes your password, not the root password
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23:25<justin_>It now says that me "justin" is not in the sudoers file and that it has been reported. Thoughts?
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23:30<jmcnaught>justin_: you can use "su -" to become root (this time with the root password). If you want to use sudo, as root you can add your user to the sudo group with "adduser username sudo", and the next time you log in you'll be able to sudo
23:30<jmcnaught>justin_: or just stick to using su
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23:33<justin_>thanks sorry I am new
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23:34<justin_>Okay now it says "The value 'jessie-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources"
23:36<jmcnaught>justin_: did you run "apt-get update" after you added the repo to your sources.list?
23:36<justin_>Okay the second thing you mentioned, I don't think I did that
23:36<justin_>How would I?
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23:38<jmcnaught>justin_: you mean you're not sure how to edit files? if you're on the command line the nano text editor is pretty easy to use
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23:40<justin_>How do add source
23:41<jmcnaught>justin_: well the instructions on are telling you to add a line to /etc/apt/sources.list and it shows the line. so you could use a text editor and copy/paste the line in
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23:47<jmcnaught>justin_: you should check out stuff like how to add a repo is covered, it's quite a good book and you can read it free online
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23:50<justin_>Okay so I added the source using Kate but it won't let me save.
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23:52<jmcnaught>justin_: kate is probably running as a regular user, not as root
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23:52<jmcnaught>justin_: can you try "nano /etc/apt/sources.list" as root on the command line?
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23:53<tetomo>i'm runnin debian 8 lxde openbox and i would like to add features to my desktop
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23:53<tetomo>sys infos and stuff
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23:54<tetomo>whats the right name for it ? dockapps ? appelt or addon ?
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23:57<jmcnaught>tetomo: i think conky does stuff like that, gkrellm is another one.
23:58<justin_>Okay that worked now what?
23:58<jmcnaught>tetomo: at least they do system monitoring. if you want more generic widgets i'm not really sure. kde is flush with stuff like that
23:58<justin_>Do I type add source something and then the source?
23:58<jmcnaught>justin_: how much have you done? you ran nano and it's showing you the file?
23:59<tetomo>jmcnaught: thank you
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