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02:51<twb>Hrm. I have to give my users flash, but I don't want to give them binutils.
02:52<twb>flash Depends: binutils *purely* so it can run strings(1) on the .so when you start chromium, to extract the version number.
02:53<twb>Since I rebuild rather than upgrading in place, I am just doing that at build time and writing /etc/chromium.d/pepperflashplugin-nonfree to just use a static string.
02:53<twb>But after doing that, what's the least awful way to get rid of binutils
02:54<twb>I don't like "dpkg --purge --force-all binutils", but I also don't like to build a local pepperflashplugin-nonfree just to remove the dependency.
02:54<twb>I could make an equivs package not-binutils that provides/conflicts/replaces binutils...
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02:56<themill>twb: wishlist bug update-pepperflash-plugin --local-package (build a locally redistributable package)
02:57<twb>Good thinking
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02:59<twb>(Although the obvious danger there is that I forget to update it and flash remains at an old version even though I rebuilt the surrounding OS image)
03:01<jm_>or perhaps replace strings with something else in the script?
03:02<twb>That's the *right* answer, but it might not be possible depending on how horrible upstream is
03:02<jm_>I meant stuff like grep -a or cat -v | grep LNX
03:02<twb>ha
03:03<jm_>so it would still get the version number, just in a different way
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03:50<FLD>is there any way to debug sudden system freezes?
03:50<twb>Depends how freezed it is
03:50<twb>e.g. if it's a swap thrash, you can fiddle with OOM and swappiness.
03:50<twb>If it's just the local GUI, you can ssh in
03:51<FLD>like completely frozen when you cannot even ssh in
03:51<twb>Does it respond to ping?
03:51<FLD>no kernel panic or logs either and no ping response
03:51<twb>That is implemented entirely in-kernel so may survive longer than ssh
03:51<twb>OK sounds like it's knackered
03:52<twb>I would hard-reboot it and check its logs, and maybe set up continuous log exfiltration to another host, so next time, you can see what was happening right before it froze
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03:52<FLD>there was nothing unusual in the local logs
03:53<FLD>is netconsole sufficient or do i need a real serial terminal?
03:54<twb>netconsole captures the kernel log buffer
03:54<jm_>probably depends on where/how it crashes
03:54<twb>Depends if you need userland logs
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03:54<twb>incidentally, I need someone to test if telling systemd that journal should *write to* the kernel log buffer, causes userland messages to appear on netconsole
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03:54<twb>I haven't had time to test it yet
03:55<FLD>i just hope the kernel says at least something if such crash occurs again
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03:56<FLD>because if it simply freezes and does nothing at all, i don't know what can be done at that point other than installing a newer kernel
03:57<twb>what does this box do?
03:57<twb>like is it a postgres server or a laptop
03:57<FLD>general desktop use with KDE and qemu virtualization for another OS
03:57<twb>One thing that screwed me a few times was dirty power in my machine room, which didn't affect my big servers but killed the ones with laptop PSUs
03:58<twb>FLD: OK.
03:58<twb>FLD: then I would try reducing the number of wacky peripherals you use (at least temporarily) to see if the problem magically vanishes
03:58<twb>assuming the freeze happens a lot / reliably, that is
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03:59<twb>I would also run smart and memtest checks, or swap in replacements, just because that's an easy thing to do
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03:59<twb>Sometimes it can be as simple as a RAM stick not seated properly
04:00<FLD>the system only froze first time this night while i was sleeping and the machine was idle
04:00<FLD>the jessie installation is only a couple of days old
04:01<jm_>also try switching it to one of tty-s and disable screen blanking
04:01<FLD>last sid installation that i was using before this did not have this problem
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04:01<FLD>consoleblank=0?
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04:02<FLD>when the desktop freezes, cltr+alt+f1 is the first thing i try
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04:04<jm_>setterm command can disable it I suppose
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04:05<FLD>i think im gonna set that netconsole
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04:06<FLD>even though im pretty skeptical about it printing anything with such a hard lockup
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04:12<twb>yeah it sounds like a problem somewhere in the hardware/firmware/kernel layers
04:13<FLD>i am using Intel IOMMU via the pci-vfio driver for qemu, so that might be a problem in kernel 3.16
04:14<FLD>though it appears to work correctly without any warnings or errors during use
04:14<twb>>shrug<
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04:14<FLD>but that might warrant trying a newer kernel
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04:15<twb>IME these are usually either actually faulty hardware (like bad power, or mis-seated RAM), or the firmware author being a complete idiot
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04:16<FLD>twb: but this same system was running just fine for over a year on debian sid
04:16<FLD>just few days ago
04:16<twb>The it's probably bad hardware :-)
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04:22<FLD>netpoll: netconsole: eth0 is a slave device, aborting
04:22<FLD>i get that in dmesg when trying to set up netconsole o.O
04:23<FLD>what the heck is a "slave device" in terms on NICs?
04:23<FLD>never heard that term being used
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04:23<twb>part of a bond or bridge probably
04:23<twb>pkexec brctl show
04:23<FLD>yeah, eth0 is bridged with br0
04:23<twb>So that's not allowed
04:23<twb>(I guess)
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04:24<FLD>looks like it is able to use br0 instead
04:24<twb>I figured that wouldn't work because br0 wouldn't be up until userland started
04:24<root>hey
04:24<twb>but I guess if you're just modprobing it by hand that would not matter
04:24<twb>(When I use netconsole, it's usually from the ramdisk because my system is COMPLETELY hosed)
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04:25<FLD>systemd fails to bring up networking during boot randomly anyways
04:26<twb>hooraaaay
04:26<jm_>you use systemd to configure it? not ifupdown?
04:26<FLD>i use /etc/network/interfaces
04:26<twb>systemd isn't in charge of that
04:26<jm_>so it's ifupdown
04:26<twb>If you were using systemd it'd be like /etc/systemd/system/i-like-waffles.network with a Match=eth*
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04:27<jm_>try journalctl -u networking.service
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04:27<FLD>well the boot stops advancing after the systemd thingy where it says LSB: raise network interface
04:27<MmHv>yo
04:27<FLD>and then it just times out after 2 minutes and continues
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04:28<FLD>but this is totally random
04:28<FLD>sometimes it times out sooner, sometimes later
04:28<FLD>sometimes it just works in seconds
04:28<twb>Check it out, I'm evolving. I passed dpkg a --force option that wasn't --force-all
04:28<twb>FLD: IME it's a 90s timeout because that's baked into systemd somewhere
04:29<jm_>yeah I had that happen to me too, very annoying that the boot stops
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04:29<twb>I "fixed" it by using ipconfig in the ramdisk and removing ifupdown, so that systemd starts and goes "oh, a network is already up, and I don't know how to mess with it".
04:30<twb>(But that answer is even more wrong for normal people than it is for me.)
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04:30<FLD>i think this might be realted to having multiple NICs
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04:31<twb>pastebin your interfaces(5) and I'll have a whinge.
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04:31<FLD>http://paste.debian.net/297123/
04:31<twb>I mean s/whinge/look/
04:31<FLD>physically i got an unused eth1
04:31<twb>You could try configuring eth1 to come up as a manual iface
04:32<FLD>thats a good idea
04:32<twb>That's just a guess but it would be enough to shut up NetworkManager
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04:32<jm_>I remember having to use bridge_maxwait 0 for similar issues
04:32<FLD>i just prefer to have it as a placeholder, in case i ever need to bridge that interface for something
04:33<FLD>otherwise i would have disabled it in the bios
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04:34<FLD>jm_: yeah looks like it has all kinds of timing adjustments
04:35<FLD>reading the manual, i don't really understand what they do :P
04:36<jm_>I had the same issue on my KVM host
04:36<FLD>i've also had this problem on another box right after upgrading to jessie
04:36<FLD>i solved it by disabling eth1 in bios
04:38<FLD>otherwise the box was not able to get DHCP for eth0 during boot
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04:40<MmHv>any way to fix this shitty veil-evasion bug?
04:40<MmHv>it shows 0 payloads
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05:26<lancelot_of> the problem is that a program that should appear this way: http://www.fluka.org/flair/ss-input.html for me takes this fashion: http://ctrlv.in/622121 no matter of DE settings, WM or GTK
05:26<lancelot_of>all libtk8.6 dependencies are satisfied
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05:32<mostafa>hi
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05:33<mostafa>how can i merge two file in linux?
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05:34<maxy>cat file1 file2 > merged_file
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05:35<mostafa>thank you for your quick response but i have problem with this command.
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05:37<maxy>mostafa: Please explain the problem you are having if you expect an answer
05:38<mostafa>I want to add new column to end of file.i use paste and join command but doesnt work.
05:38<gattovagabundo>hello guys
05:40<mostafa>when i add new column to file1 from file2 in some rows can't distinguish between numbers.
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05:42<mihai>hello,how do i install codeblocks?
05:43<maxy>mostafa: I guess you need to review the format you are using to join the lines (see the manpage of join -o parameter)
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05:46<maxy>mostafa: codeblocks is not available in jessie, but is available in jessie-backports
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05:46<maxy>!backports
05:46<dpkg>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
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05:47<mostafa>maxy:I try some commands with options but i could not find any result.
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05:50<maxy>mostafa: I would prefer to use a text editor to add a column, and to script this I would either use awk or python, join is not very friendly.
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05:53<mostafa>dear maxy: I attach this file in below address i appreciate you if you help me.
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05:54<mostafa>http://paste.ubuntu.com/12117195/
05:55<maxy>mostafa: For join to work you need to have file2 in the format: ID VALUE (R89FA2-01 804.0) for example
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05:56<toli_>hi
05:57<mostafa>what does it means maxy?
05:57<maxy>You could read whole file into an array, and then concatenate array[i] with the line i read from the second line (awk way)
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05:58<maxy>in python you could open the two files and print the concatenated output
05:58<toli_>after upgraded to Jessie, I cannot permanently change the net.ipv4.ip_forward
05:58<toli_> in /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward after reboot it changes again to None
05:58<mostafa>how can i read whole file in to an array?
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05:58<themill>perhaps you're looking for paste?
05:59<twb>mostafa: in bash? mapfile
05:59<twb>mostafa: #bash on freenode
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06:00<jm_>toli_: works for me
06:01<toli_>jm_ even after restart?
06:01<toli_>for me it works, but I loose it after reboot
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06:02<jm_>toli_: yes, you need to set it on each boot using sysctl tools ...
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06:02<themill>/etc/sysctl.d/ is your friend
06:02<mostafa>thanks
06:02<toli_>ah, in Wheezy you had only to change it in the ip_forward > 1
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06:02<twb>themill: why would /proc changes be persistent?
06:02<twb>Er @toli
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06:03<jm_>toli_: no it was the same in wheezy
06:03<twb>AFAIK you have always needed to put an entry in /etc/sysctl*
06:03<jm_>exactly
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06:03<mostafa>how can join to C group?
06:03<twb>You probably just did it years ago and forgot
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06:03<toli_>ah ok,
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06:03<toli_>probably :)
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06:03<toli_>thanks guys
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06:03<gattovagabundo>i've got some problem to work qtox
06:03<mostafa>join #C
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06:04<vor7ex>gatto italy_
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06:04<vor7ex>?
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06:06<gattovagabundo>hi vor7ex yes italy
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06:07<vor7ex>bene finalmente qualche ita
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06:07<vor7ex>ita
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06:10<gattovagabundo>vor7ex ciao sei italiano?
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06:11<vor7ex>si gatto
06:11<vor7ex>italia
06:12<gattovagabundo>bene vor7ex almeno qualche volta capita diincontrarne qualcuno
06:12<gattovagabundo>comunque usi debia stable?
06:12<vor7ex>infatti...ormai gli italiani son morti in tutte le community
06:12<gattovagabundo>volevo dire debian
06:13<themill>!it
06:13<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
06:13<vor7ex>io uso kali sana su raspberry
06:13<gattovagabundo>come mai non c'è ne sono ?
06:14<vor7ex>okey sry dpkg
06:14<gattovagabundo>ah kali ma non è un po pesantuccia?
06:14<vor7ex>io ho sempre usato kali o backtrack , devo dire che sul raspberry gira benissimo pero
06:15<gattovagabundo>forte l'ho adoperta per un po di tempo è posso dirti da profano che in quanto a rolling release è STUPENDAAA
06:15<vor7ex>tu che OS usi?
06:16<gattovagabundo>Debian wheezy 8.1
06:16<gattovagabundo>in lxde
06:16<vor7ex>ottima scelta xD
06:16<vor7ex>quanti anni hai????
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06:17<gattovagabundo>grazie debian specie se si tratta di una distro madre non sbaglia un colpo
06:17<gattovagabundo>28
06:17<gattovagabundo>tu?
06:17<themill>Debian in inglese qui, altre distribuzioni altrove, grazie.
06:17<vor7ex>io 23
06:18<gattovagabundo>ho iniziato d avvicinarmi in maniera diretta a linux nel 202 con mandrake
06:18<gattovagabundo>2002
06:18<vor7ex>eehe io molto piu tardi di te...circa 4 annetti fa
06:19<gattovagabundo>da li è stato amoe a prima vista
06:19<gattovagabundo>meglio tardi che mai
06:19<gattovagabundo>non ha importanza quando ma avere coscenza
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06:19<vor7ex>vieni in pvt
06:20<gattovagabundo>comunque nel frattempo ho dovuto adoperare qella merdina di win xp eseguendo il dual boot
06:20<gattovagabundo>ok
06:20<vor7ex>ahahahha XD
06:20<spybull>?
06:21<musca>hello spybull, you have reached the english debian linux support channel.
06:22<spybull>What did u mean?
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06:39<OneSploit>Hi
06:39<OneSploit>where do I find jessie iso for vexpress-a9 ?
06:39<atlantide>Hello friends, I want to change the theme of the login screen on Debian-gdm3 + Jessie, I got negative tests with modifications on greeter.dconf and greeter.gsettings-defaults files. Thanks for your help.
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06:41<jm_>OneSploit: what is vexpress-a9?
06:41<twb>That sounds like a kind of ARM system
06:42<twb>dpkg: tell OneSploit about armhf
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06:44<OneSploit>twb, I know what armhf is
06:44<twb>OK sorry
06:44<OneSploit>I want hardware fpu, so not armel
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06:45<twb>So you just need a kernel + bootloader for your specific hardware?
06:45<OneSploit>http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-armhf/current/images/vexpress/netboot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-vexpress
06:45<OneSploit>but none for jessie
06:45<OneSploit>I need jessie initrd (installer) and vmlinuz
06:45<twb>OK I understand
06:45<twb>I don't know what arm hardware variants Debian 8 supports
06:46<twb>Try asking in #debian-arm
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06:47<twb>I can see devicetree references to vexpress in the installer
06:47<twb>So you might not need a hardware-specific installer anymore
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06:48<twb>http://sprunge.us/hKOX
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06:50<OneSploit>ok so I would use kernel from jessie and provide dtb somehow ? probably via u-boot?
06:50<twb>Have you tried just using the regular debian jessie armhf installer?
06:50<OneSploit>yes
06:51<OneSploit>well I am using qemu ;/
06:51<twb>OK then I dunno, sorry. Ask the ARM support channel
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06:51<OneSploit>ok I think I know now what to do, thx
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06:52<twb>There should be one specifically for qemu IIRC
06:53<twb>(I may be remembering vexpress tho :-)
06:54<OneSploit>think I should use -dtb qemu option along with -M vexpress-a9 with jessie kernel
06:54<OneSploit>will try that
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07:39<serotonintuna>help? can't seem to get debian on a usb drive
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07:40<olinuxx>serotonintuna, more info needed
07:40<serotonintuna>the manual says i need linux to do it
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07:40<serotonintuna>https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/3hfgoh/preparing_files_for_usb_memory_stick_booting/
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07:42<olinuxx>which manual are you talking about serotonintuna ? Link would be appreciated.
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07:43<serotonintuna>olinuxx http://d-i.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch04s03.html
07:43<olinuxx>ok
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07:45<olinuxx>serotonintuna, have you got any CD or DVD device ?
07:45<serotonintuna>a drive, yes, blank cds/dvds, no
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07:45<olinuxx>if so, you could put an ISO onto a CD / DVd and start from here
07:45<olinuxx>hmm
07:46<serotonintuna>also, whats the difference between the cd and dvd versions? i assume the cd one is closer to the netinst.iso?
07:46<jm_>uhh no you don't need linux
07:46<jm_>!usb install
07:46<dpkg>You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write images from Windows. For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>.
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07:47<serotonintuna>jm_ the first sentence says you will need linux
07:47<olinuxx>serotonintuna, https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Loader
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07:47<serotonintuna>in that installation guide
07:48<serotonintuna>unless the win32diskimager works by itself
07:48<jm_>serotonintuna: no it doesn't
07:48<serotonintuna>without having to do all that crazy partitioning stuff
07:49<abrotman>it does
07:49<serotonintuna>olinuxx does that install it on top of windows or somethin?
07:49<jm_>it says "You can install Debian from a USB stick ..." how does that imply Linux only?
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07:49<serotonintuna>jm_ To prepare the USB stick, you will need a system where GNU/Linux is already running and where USB is supported.
07:50<jm_>serotonintuna: for crying out loud, read what dpkg just told you
07:50<serotonintuna>i did
07:50<serotonintuna>im still confused
07:50<serotonintuna>in fact i already read that part in the manual
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07:50<serotonintuna>but it wasnt entirely clear
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07:51<serotonintuna>on whether or not i still needed to do all that other crap somehow
07:51<serotonintuna>because it seemed important
07:51<serotonintuna>but if that tool skips over all those steps then that's great
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07:51<jm_>which other crap?
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07:52<abrotman>jm_: the bit where you create the file system, copy the ISO there, instead of a direct dd
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07:52<serotonintuna>pretty much
07:53<jm_>no, just write the image directly to the device
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07:58<serotonintuna>does it matter if my usb drive is in fat32 or ntfs?
07:58<serotonintuna>is there a preferred one or does it not make a difference?
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07:59<jm_>if you write it directly to the device it will overwrite everything on it ...
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07:59<jm_>so no it does not matter
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08:39<gustavo>Hi all, somebody can tell me if it possible to upgrade Debian from Squeeze to Jessie directly?
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08:41<themill>not in general
08:42<themill>(it might happen to work, but if it does, it is pure luck)
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08:48<gustavo>themill, ok that's what I thought. Thanks
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08:56<Serotonintuna>Ey, my touchpad isn't working in the graphical install
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08:59<Serotonintuna>Nobody? D:
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08:59<Serotonintuna>Anybody? D:
08:59<themill>It's traditional to (a) ask a question and (b) wait for the answer.
08:59<SpeedyG>!anybody
08:59<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
09:00<Serotonintuna>I did ask a question
09:00<SpeedyG>nope, you posed a statement...
09:00<Serotonintuna>I guess it was more of a statement
09:00<SpeedyG>:)
09:00<Serotonintuna>But still
09:01<Serotonintuna>The question is implied
09:01<Serotonintuna>:P
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09:01<SpeedyG>My terminal uses a blue font!
09:01<themill>And then you immediately left.
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09:01<SpeedyG>doesn't imply if I wanna change that or not!
09:01<Serotonintuna>Why doesn't my touchpad work during the graphical install? And my phone didn't like me putting it down the mill
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09:01<Serotonintuna>the mill
09:02<Serotonintuna>Fawk
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09:02<themill>Sounds like a hint to use the text mode installer instead
09:02<Serotonintuna>That's kinda what I thought, but at the same time I'm worried
09:02<Serotonintuna>That once it's installed
09:03<Serotonintuna>It still won't work
09:03<themill>enough with the enter key... you've been asked several times
09:03<Serotonintuna>I'll be touchpadless
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09:03<Serotonintuna>Sorry, hard to type on here ._.
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10:35<`ryban>:()\
10:36<Prosta>It is contrary to normal behaviour to be responsible for acts against law and later on try to counteract it under supervision, so, goodbye
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10:49<Wulf>hi
10:50<Wulf>My /var/lib/urandom/random-seed file hasn't changed for more than a year, despite several reboots. Is that to be expected?
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10:52<centrx>Wulf, Seems wrong? How are you checking that?
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10:53<Wulf>centrx: ls -l
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10:53<centrx>Wulf, Yeah mine has date of today
10:54<Wulf>centrx: what debian release?
10:54<centrx>testing
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10:54<Wulf>centrx: sid and ubuntu-15.04 here. I just rebooted the ubuntu machine, md5sum checksum did not change.
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10:55<Wulf>centrx: when I run the init script manually, sevice urandom stop, the file updates
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10:55<Wulf>+r
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11:00<ZeroBeholder>So, I have a log file. Using bash I am using the 'for variable in listitem1 listitem2 listitem3; do' type of loop. The loop is working fine.
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11:00<ZeroBeholder>Weird that when I "grep ~adroll.com~ filename.txt" it gets to a particularly long file line-- probably javascript. The grep seems to stop.
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11:03<ZeroBeholder>But, "grep -n ~adroll.com~ filename.txt" works as expected which gives me an unwanted line number followed by a colon that is unwanted.
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11:05<ZeroBeholder>Any suggestions?
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11:11<ZeroBeholder>I was trying things-- just for no good reason I was using echo to show me the line and that the script is progressing-- but remove that and bam the script soldiers on per the verification via the tail command.
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11:13<ZeroBeholder>I can see things are happening via ps, top, or tail, that will have to be good enough.
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12:49<jenipapo>How to activate marble wallpaper in kde ?
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13:06<weedcookie>ищу помощь
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13:08<ixi>!ru
13:08<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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13:23<kklimonda>hmm, anyone familiar with the "debian-way" of configuring bonding and VLANs?
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13:23<peter1138>man interfaces
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13:24<kklimonda>yeah, I've got it configured, but on one of the servers I'm getting some weird error, and was wondering if someone could take a look at my config and see if I'm missing anything obvious
13:24<peter1138>pastebin it
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13:25<peter1138>well, paste.debian.net it :)
13:26<peter1138>http://paste.debian.net/297460/ < works for me
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13:27<kklimonda>http://paste.debian.net/297462/
13:27<peter1138>oh yeah, i'm bridging too
13:27<kklimonda>mhm, you seem to be setting up slaves from the master
13:27<peter1138>hmm
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13:31<kklimonda>what's painful is that this works just fine: http://paste.debian.net/297463/
13:32<kklimonda>well, at least ifup -a works
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13:33<poiuty>wow
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13:34<kklimonda>but on that server only one link is actually configured as part of LACP on the switch, I wonder if it changes how tools behave - for reference, it errors out during if-pre-up.d/vlan with http://paste.debian.net/297465/
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13:45<peter1138>kklimonda, trying to use lacp without the switch being fully configured for it?
13:45<peter1138>or do you mean only one link is showing as active with lacp
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13:51<Gowsik>hi
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13:53<Gowsik>hello
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13:57<Gowsik>how r u
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13:58<kklimonda>peter1138: only one link is configured on the server side, and it works fine when I add the default route manually.
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13:58<kklimonda>on the switch side*
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14:49<vor7ex>yo guys/girls
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14:59<jean-michel>Hey guys is there a way to fix me needing to use nomodeset or nouveau.modeset=0, I usually run proprietary but I want to try nouveau this time. Some other distros usually work fine without weird mode settings.
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15:05<towo`>jean-michel, nouveau depends on modesetting, otherwise it doesn't work
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15:06<jean-michel>towo`, alright so I reckon kms? the documentation says it's enabled by default but I can see that I have xserver-xorg-video-vesa as well which clashes, this is a brand new install
15:07<jean-michel>if I use the nouveau.modeset=0 I get low resolution and only 1 monitor works
15:07<towo`>jean-michel, which card?
15:07<jean-michel>gigabyte gtx460OC
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15:07<towo`>jean-michel, nouveau.modeset=0 desables KMS, so nouveau is not used
15:07<jean-michel>Alright makes sense.
15:08<jean-michel>=0, silly me
15:08<towo`>jean-michel, without seeing Xorg.0.log i can't say fourther
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15:09<jean-michel>I opened up the xorg log but I don't know where to look
15:09<towo`>then paste it
15:10<jean-michel>ah, I see, it's in my .old one
15:10<jean-michel>gimme a sec, do you have a preferred pastebin type website?
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15:12<jean-michel>ah crap, nvm, my old one has nomodeset, so I need to boot up once with nothing. I'll be back
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15:16<sleepycat>anyone know how to install pthreads on jessie?
15:17<sleepycat>I installed libevent-pthreads-2.1-4 but its apparently not what I need.
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15:18<ixi>what do you need
15:18<ixi>I mean
15:18<ixi>how do you figure out that X is not what you need?
15:18<ixi>pthreads are a part of libc, no?
15:19<ixi>I have on my system /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpthread.so.0
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15:19<ixi>this is to my best undrestanding, pthreads
15:19<ixi>no?
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15:21<sleepycat>ixi: I'm trying to compile something (ArangoDB) that claims to need pthreads. For some reason it can't find the lib.
15:22<ixi>you need package libc6-dev
15:23<sleepycat>ixi: Ahhh
15:23<jean-michel>towo`, it's having a hard time probing it and kms is not enabled it seems. http://pastebin.com/KXe0DaN7
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15:25<sleepycat>ixi: "libc6-dev is already the newest version" the plot thickens!
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15:27<ixi>sleepycat ok, how are you building your software
15:27<ixi>make?
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15:29<towo`>jean-michel, ever had nvidia blob installed?
15:30<jean-michel>towo`, not on this install, this is a fresh install as of 30 mins ago
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15:30<jean-michel>stock debian jessie (latest) dvd on a usb thumbdrive
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15:31<jean-michel>Going by the documentation it should work and linux mint usually boots right up
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15:32<jean-michel>I have had to use nomodeset in the past and I even managed to get a good resolution and good acceleration, which is amazing if it uses framebuffer
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15:35<towo`>jean-michel, have you looked in demesg about the nouveau kernel-module?
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15:37<jean-michel>Oh, I may have found it, I may need acpi=no, I recall using that before, I distro hopped a bit so I forgot.
15:38<jean-michel>no ill check now
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15:39<jean-michel>I have some weirdness on my pc, I don't have my sata in ahci mode because the detection misses a drive on cold boots.
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15:41<jean-michel>ill try a few things brb.
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15:44<geoff>I am installing debian8+xfce to a dual-boot laptop currently running WindowsXP and Ubuntu9.
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15:45<ixi>sleepycat fixed your stuff?
15:45<patwotrik>Hi. I'm having network troubles on my desktop. I don't even get an IP from the router. It works to use internet on my laptop with the same cables, so it doesn't seem to be a problem with the router or the cables.
15:46<geoff>I plan to replace Ubuntu with Debian, leaving Windows untouched.
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15:47<geoff>If I first create clean partitions with say gparted, will partman in the netinst installer use thes and leave the the Windows alone?
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15:48<ixi>it will use what you tell him to
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15:51<geoff>That is what I hoped. On my first attempt, I tried setting the partman partitions but the default for the filesystem type isdo not use. The windows partition is ntfs. You have to choose the type from a list and ntfs is not there.
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15:56<sleepycat>ixi: sorry about that. Working on multiple things. Yeah, the usual ./configure, make, etc. In this case the configure step fails for want of pthreads. I'm on arm7 (Raspberry Pi 2) if that makes a difference...
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16:20<jean-michel>towo`, I haven't figured it out yet. Looking at dmesg now, not sure how I can see a previous dmesg though.
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16:25<sleepycat>ixi: Gotta head out. Thanks for the help.
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16:27<retrospectacus>jean-michel: ls -l /var/log/dmesg* you can read them with (z)less
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16:30<jean-michel>I seem to only have the current dmesg, no others like dmesg.0 are present
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16:33<jean-michel>Looking at the arch wiki right now, I need to find an opcode error in dmesg it seems
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16:35<jean-michel>The only errors I see now are for an old network card I don't even use and my ice1712 soundcard
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16:38<jean-michel>I'm also getting an acpi warning
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16:51<christianseu>hello all
16:51<christianseu>this is the debian irc talk??
16:52<centrx>Yes
16:52<centrx>It's one of the Debian IRC channels
16:52<christianseu>today i have installed debian on a pc and i have a error
16:52<christianseu>when i start the computer
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16:53<christianseu>says this /dev/sda1 clean (numbers) block
16:53<christianseu>and from there does not pass, I installed and tested 5 times and 2 hard drives
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16:54<centrx>Can you enter recovery mode?
16:54<christianseu>yes i can enter
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16:58<christianseu>no people to help ooo
16:58<christianseu>??
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16:59<mtn>christianseu, which version are installing?
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17:00<christianseu>mtn debian 8.1 i386
17:00<mtn>christianseu, using a usb stick?
17:00<christianseu>yes, no cd lector
17:01<mtn>christianseu, computer set to legacy in bios?
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17:02<christianseu>i think that yes, the moterboard is ga-m68m-s2p no uefy mode i thing
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17:04<ddash>quit
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17:05<christianseu>mtn, legacy of usb is enabled and i can use the recobery mode
17:05<christianseu>but dont start in normal
17:05<mtn>christianseu, I thought you were not using sub?
17:05<mtn>sub/usb
17:06<christianseu>no i only use the usb for install
17:06<christianseu>an when i start the pc
17:06<ddash>Hello I have a question about virtualbox 4.3.18 on debian Jessie running kernel 4.1.0-1-amd64
17:06<ddash>not sure if this is the right place to ask
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17:06<mtn>christianseu, I asked you if you used the usb for install. did you?
17:06<ddash>I am having problems installing the virtualbox-dkms package
17:07<christianseu>says at the tirth line this dev sda1 clean (numbers )blocks
17:07<christianseu>but in recobery mode i can start
17:07<christianseu>yes i use the USB for install debian
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17:07<christianseu>why?
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17:07<mtn>christianseu, did you use unetbootin?
17:08<christianseu>yes
17:08<christianseu>and the isntallation ios ok
17:08<mtn>!unetbootin
17:08<dpkg>UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
17:08<mtn>christianseu, don't use it!
17:08<christianseu>oh, ok
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17:08<mtn>christianseu, https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en
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17:10<christianseu>i go to read, but using unetbooting i can install the debian the problem is in the time to first start
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17:10<mtn>christianseu, no, the problem is using unetbootin
17:11<christianseu>ok, i don't have otrher pc with linux
17:11<ddash>has anyone here installed virtualbox on Jessie?
17:11<christianseu>ddash no my friend
17:11<ddash>ok, thanks
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17:11<mtn>christianseu, you can use win32diskimager in windows
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17:12<mtn>ddash, lots of folks have. why?
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17:12<christianseu>mtn thanks i go to test and say something
17:12<mtn>christianseu, welcome
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17:14<jorge>Buenas amigos
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17:15<bqss>sure, i use win32diskimager too ;)
17:15<christianseu_>hellome other time mnt
17:15<christianseu_>i go to test and inform
17:15<jorge>soy usuario de debian jessie con gnome y cinnamon
17:16<jorge>como puedo desinstalar pidgin sin que se arranque el sistema?
17:16<retrospectacus>jorge: English
17:16<jorge>=(
17:17<jorge>how unistall pidgin?
17:17<jorge>i use cinnamon and gnome
17:18<retrospectacus>"apt remove pidgin"
17:18<retrospectacus>!unmarkauto
17:18<dpkg>Is apt trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it causing the gnome meta-package to be uninstalled and then all its dependencies. Fix this by running "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage> (apt-get also has unmarkauto from squeeze onwards).
17:18<retrospectacus>!es
17:18<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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17:19<jorge>Thanks
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17:22<jorge>I drag me to uninstall pidgin cinnamon, as do I q does not happen?
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17:35<christianseu_>mtn you are here?
17:35<mtn>christianseu_, sure
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17:35<christianseu_>i installed debian and same error
17:36<mtn>christianseu_, are you using the entire disk for debian?
17:36<christianseu_>when i start firts start and dev/sda1: clean numbers files, numbers block
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17:36<christianseu_>no, i use the debian-8.1.0-i386-netinst
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17:36<mtn>christianseu_, how is the disk partitioned?
17:36-!-stackofc1ts [~stackofca@132.231.65.176] has joined #debian
17:37<christianseu_>one partition
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17:37<mtn>christianseu_, so debian is using the entire hard drive?
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17:37<christianseu_>mtn yes
17:37<mtn>christianseu_, so no swap or any other partitions?
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17:38<christianseu_>no only one partition
17:38<mtn>christianseu_, did you format the partition?
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17:38<christianseu_>yes
17:38<mtn>christianseu_, ext4?
17:39<christianseu_>yes i format when i install
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17:39<christianseu_>fsck from util-linux 2.25.2 and next the other error
17:39<mtn>christianseu_, how about installing and let debian decide how things are setup? just automatic install?
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17:39<mtn>christianseu_, wait. you get error doing fsck?
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17:39<christianseu_>yes wait
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17:40<christianseu_>i go to take a picture
17:40<christianseu_>ok?
17:40<mtn>christianseu_, sure. put it on imgur.com
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17:43<christianseu_>mtn http://i.imgur.com/bJzOQdY.jpg
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17:43<christianseu_>i start pc, and show grub and next this
17:43<mtn>christianseu_, I can't see all of that, but I don't see an error
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17:44<mtn>christianseu_, how about reinstalling and let debian set up the partitions. don't do it yourself.
17:45<christianseu_>today i have installed ago 6 times, the partition os all of the guied
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17:45<mtn>christianseu_, debian won't just make one partition. let it do the setup.
17:45<christianseu_>when i can dowload the deban 7?
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17:46<christianseu_>i use guied partition creation
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17:47<christianseu_>mtn https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/images/inst-autopartman-mode.png
17:47<christianseu_>i use this option
17:47<christianseu_>and https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/images/inst-partman.png
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17:48<mtn>christianseu_, that should make a swap partition, if I am not mistaken.
17:49<christianseu_>tomorrow i go to test the debian 7, where I can find it?
17:49<christianseu_>i only find the debian 5
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17:49<mtn>christianseu_, debian.org
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17:50<christianseu_>i don't find the debian 7 only the 5
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17:51<christianseu_>i find!!!!
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19:12<lyna>hey lads
19:12<lyna>imma need your help
19:12<lyna>i have the intel wireless n 7260 card
19:12<lyna>and i cant seem to be able to connect to the internet with it
19:13<lyna>i tried installing the firmware and updating drivers and all that jazz
19:13<lyna>but wcid keeps telling me that it cant find any wireless networks
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19:16<abrotman>did you tell wicd to manage the device?
19:17<lyna>how would i do that,
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19:17<lyna>i set wlan0 as the interface in the preferences
19:17<lyna>if thats what you mean
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19:19<lyna>oh yeah as some extra info, i did a fairly minimal install, with the netinst cd
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19:22<lyna>i just did ifconfig
19:22<lyna>wlan0 didnt show up
19:22<Equa>lyna: you need to remove it from interfaces if you want to use wicd. you need to install wpasupplicant package if you have done a minimal installation
19:23<lyna>wpasupplicant is installed
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19:23<Equa>lyna: if it's not showing up, you maybe have a firmware / driver issue. is it a pci or usb device?
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19:24<lyna>pci i believe, since its my wireless card
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19:24<Equa>lyna: run lspci -nn and paste the output for your wifi on paste.debian.net
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19:28<lyna>lmao i cant copy past in xterm
19:28<lyna>gimme a sec
19:28<Equa>lyna: model + pci id
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19:30<lyna>04:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel corporation wireless 7260 [8086:08b2] (rev 73)
19:31<lyna>is this what u needed'
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19:34<Equa>lyna: yes. have you followed the instructions from here? https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi
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19:37<lyna>ive tried doing that before
19:37<lyna>i get
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19:38<lyna>modprobe: FATAL: Module iwlwifi is in use
19:39<Equa>lyna: have you rebooted since then?
19:40<lyna>im pretty sure
19:40<lyna>let me reboot once again
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19:42<lyna>nah it didnt change anything
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19:42<lyna>wicd still says no wireless networks found
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19:43<Equa>lyna: run: ip a
19:43<sney>do you see wlan0 described if you run iwconfig in a terminal
19:43<lyna>no i dont
19:44<lyna>ip a gives me 1: lo 2:eth0 3:wlp4s0
19:44<Equa>lyna: wlp4s0 isn't your wifi?
19:45<Equa>lyna: i would suggest reading dmesg for any error on the firmware for the wifi
19:45<lyna>it might be, let me set wlp4s0 as my interface
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19:52<lyna>okay so i noticed something
19:52<lyna>i did modinfo iwlwifi
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19:52<lyna>and it lists firmwares
19:53<lyna>the firmware it lists for for the the 7260 is the iwlwifi-7260-12.ucode
19:53<lyna>i need iwlwifi-7260-13
19:53<lyna>which i downloaded
19:53<lyna>and its in my /lib/firmware
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19:54<LordBrain>unless there is an existing solution, it seems to me that libjvm.so should have a sym link under /etc/alternatives
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19:55<lyna>lordbrain was that directed at me? you just joined the channel
19:55<LordBrain>no i just joined, no idea what the discussion was prior
19:56<lyna>oh okay
19:56<LordBrain>i have a haskell package, and it doesnt build because it depends on libjvm, and i'm trying to figure out how to fix this in the "proper" way
19:57<LordBrain>as in, there are multiple libjvms, and as far as i know, this package doesn't care which you use.. its just a means of starting jvm sessions from haskell code.
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19:58<LordBrain>since the jni is standardized, the way you start jvms is the same i am pretty sure, so really the package should work with any of the various libjvm.so s that come with various jre's
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20:01<twb>What's "AppStream data"? (from http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.announce/2075)
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20:01<twb>Is it like the KCoolNewStuff that KDE had, that never got used at all?
20:02<lyna>Equa when i do dmesg, it seems all the iwlwifi things are loaded properly
20:02<Equa>lyna: anything from dmesg?
20:03<lyna>nothin that stands out
20:03<Equa>lyna: is there a toggle to turn on or off your wifi?
20:04<lyna>i searched for one earlier
20:04<lyna>couldnt find it
20:04<lyna>btw my wireless worked perfectly on arch linux
20:04<lyna>i only made the switch to debian 2 days ago
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20:06<Equa>lyna: have you tried unloading and loading the driver again?
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20:07<twb>iwlwifi needs a non-free firmware blob, right? Have you installed that?
20:07<Equa>lyna: modprobe -r iwlwifi then modprobe iwlwifi
20:08<twb>dpkg: tell Equa about iwlwifi
20:08<lyna>modprobe: FATAL: Module iwlwifi is in use.
20:08<twb>Is firmware-iwlwifi installed?
20:08<lyna>yes
20:09<lyna>i think the problem is that the firmware it is loading is an older version
20:09<lyna>im almost certain of it
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20:10<lyna>when i do modinfo iwlwifi
20:11<lyna>it lists a bunch of firmwares, and among them: firmware: iwlwifi-7250-12
20:11<twb>OK, I have given all the help I can, sorry :-)
20:11<lyna>7260*
20:11<lyna>i need to do iwlwifi-7260-13
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20:11<mohammad-ghasemi>anyone using debian testing here? is it unstable?
20:11<lyna>how would i go about making iwlwifi load -13 instead of -12 (if thats possible, im a bit of a noob)
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20:13<lyna>im using testing, im probly not the best to pass a judgement on it, but from what i've read it's supposed to be fairly stable
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20:15<Equa>lyna: dmesg | grep iwl.
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20:20<lyna>http://paste.debian.net/297588/
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20:21<Equa>lyna: looks like it worked. i see wlan0
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20:21<Equa>lyna: ip a to verify
20:22<lyna>no wlan0 in ip a
20:23<Equa>lyna: oh wait nm. wlan0 was renamed to wlp4s0
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20:23<Equa>lyna: your wifi card is wlp4s0
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20:23<lyna>yeah but man i think this problem is that its loading outdated firmware
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20:24<Equa>lyna: line 1 says iwlwifi-7260-13.ucode
20:24<lyna>oh hmm
20:24<lyna>thats werid
20:25<lyna>then why does modinfo say -12
20:25<Equa>lyna: comment out all the wifi from interfaces. reboot then configure it with wicd
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20:26<lyna>may you tell me how to do that
20:27<Equa>lyna: you edited /etc/network/interfaces? just add # anything for the wifi
20:28<Equa>lyna: add # to the front of those lines or remove them completely
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20:29<Equa>lyna: check if you're a member of netdev
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20:30<lyna>http://paste.debian.net/297590/
20:30<lyna>this is what my interfaces looks like
20:31<Equa>lyna: looks good. add the interface wlp4s0 to wicd and configure it from there
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20:32<lyna>how do i check if im a member of netdev
20:32<Equa>lyna: id in the terminal
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20:33<Equa>lyna: do: sudo iwlist wlp4s0 scan. if you can see cells around you, it means your wifi is working
20:34<lyna>interface doesnt support scanning : network is down
20:34<lyna>also i believe im not in the netdev group
20:35<Equa>lyna: usermod -a -G netdev <username>
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20:36<lyna>imma try restarting
20:36<lyna>brb
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20:38<lyna>equa
20:38<lyna>im so happy
20:38<lyna>it finally worked
20:38<lyna>i want to cry
20:38<Equa>lyna: congrats :D
20:38<lyna>how do i repay you are
20:38<lyna>are there debian tokens i can give you
20:38<Equa>lyna: by sticking to debian
20:39<Equa>lyna: just kidding. just enjoy it
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20:39<lyna>thanks again man
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20:40<Equa>lyna: np
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21:34<suchmystery>hi, on my debian powerpc jessie 8.1.0 install on my powerbook g4 aluminum 1.5ghz with lxde, after rebooting for the second time to try and get wireless drivers to work, debian seems to lock up after a minute or soafter boot, and everything stops responding (no keyboard input, only cursor is movable, cpu usage monitor even freezes). last reboot it d
21:34<suchmystery>idn't freeze. the last package i installed before i rebooted was firmware-linux-nonfree. pressing the power button seems to turn the lcd backlight off, and pressing it again makes the lcd screen flicker with light before turning it off again. i have to hold the power button down to get it to shut down. thanks.
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21:35<twb>That sounds like several separate issues
21:36<twb>Which one do you want to investigate first?
21:36<suchmystery>i don't know what the issues could be, however
21:36<twb>Which symptom, then
21:37<suchmystery>why it locks up after a minute after booting, i guess.
21:37<twb>OK what have you already checked? Have you checked the logs?
21:37<suchmystery>no, not yet
21:38-!-mode/#debian [+l 691] by debhelper
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21:38<suchmystery>although i suppose it would be kind of hard to get them before the system locked up
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21:39<suchmystery>i'm going to try and check them now
21:40<suchmystery>oh, which logs should i upload? there are many in the logs folder
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21:42<paxmark9>with systemd journalctl -b -1 should show previous might need sudo journalctl -b -0 to view the present adding | grep foo will weed things out
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21:48<suchmystery>i can't check the logs, debian keeps locking up
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21:55<suchmystery>alright then, i've just fixed it
21:56<suchmystery>removing firmware-linux-nonfree isn't making it lockup
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21:56<suchmystery>i mean fixed it locking up
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22:01<twb>Interesting
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22:02<twb>So the obvious question is what firmwares are relevant to your system
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22:05<suchmystery>do you mean which firmwares i need to get to use to get various things to work on my powerbook?
22:05<suchmystery>sorry, just checking
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22:07<twb>suchmystery: rather which ones are being loaded automatically as soon as you install the firmware-linux-nonfree package
22:07<suchmystery>i'm not sure, how should i check?
22:08<twb>Dunno
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22:09<suchmystery>alright then
22:10<suchmystery>it also seems that i need the package to get my radeon mobility 9600 working
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22:39<suchmystery>alright, well i've fixed the crashing with firmware-linux-nonfree by forcing pci mode on yaboot (radeon.agpmode=-1). yet for some reason, opening glxinfo to see if 3d rendering is open gives me these errors: libGL error: No matching fbConfigs or visuals found libGL error: failed to load driver: r300 libGL error: No matching fbConfigs or visuals fou
22:39<suchmystery>nd libGL error: failed to load driver: swrast Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig
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22:41<suchmystery>now i'm trying to get the graphics cards are working, i got the wireless card drivers working already by installing firmware-b53legacy-installer
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22:48<suchmystery>nevermind, got that working as well installed these patched .debs from the graphics section on the guide (http://ppcluddite.blogspot.ca/2012/03/installing-debian-linux-on-ppc-part-iv.html#graphics)
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23:21<kyew>Fresh install of Debian Jessie, terminal won't open in gnome...
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23:33<twb>What is /etc/subuid ?
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23:34<twb>Anyway, good thing we don't reuse the debian 'staff' group for site staff huh
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23:36<twb>Apparently /var/lib/dpkg/info/login.postinst does things to it
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23:38<jmcnaught>twb: it's for user namespaces
23:38<twb>Where is that documented?
23:39<twb>I looked at the login(8) manpage but I couldn't understand what it's for
23:39<jmcnaught>twb: "man subuid", more details in "man user_namespaces"
23:39<twb>ohhh, I didn't even think to- Thanks
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23:40<jmcnaught>i only discovered this file a few weeks ago when i was trying to get unprivileged LXC working
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23:40<twb>So I can put something in there that e.g. makes user 1000 unable to resolve user 1001?
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23:43<jmcnaught>twb: no it's more like if you want a service or container operate in a completely separate user namespace, but not have to be root to do this. each line in the file is a user, UID number that the namespace starts at, and how many are in the namespace
23:43<jmcnaught>twb: there is also a subgid file
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