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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-08-22

---Logopened Sat Aug 22 00:00:14 2015
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00:46<bluzeo>hey guys im looking on helping but i dont know who to email - i love making wallpapaers
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00:55<hal>you can always make an account to opendesktop.org and upload, if anything
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01:04<bluzeo>hey hal - where the firewall ?? in this distro?
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01:05<hal>the firewall is actually ipchains and they're added as desired
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01:06<hal>that or search repos for a firewall
01:06<bluzeo>so it built in or do i need to install it?
01:07<hal>you might try ufw in the repos. it's ubuntu's firewall, iirc
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01:08<hal>it's easy enough for noobs if that's what you want
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01:11<bluzeo>do i have too do anything crazy to get steam to work?
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01:19<hal>you may have to install 32bit versions of libgl and stuff
01:20<hal>if on 64bit, i'm assuming you are. but i'm a linux noob and it really wasn't an issue
01:21<hal>sorry i'm late to respond, had to configure notifications
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01:23<hal>some games work good with wine too, some don't. on a fresh install with wine, COD 4 played fine for me
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01:42<zuul>My laptop acts like I'm holding the space bar down while it boots. This isbpreventing me from typing in my encryption password. Anybody have any ideas?
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01:45<hal>does it do that any other time? if it's hardware, might jiggle it with a paper clip or something carefully. maybe it's stuck
01:46<hal>otherwise you can always boot up a live cd and get access to it all if you need to rescue it
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01:55<zuul>It's new. It started after I entered my password last time it booted up and it didn't affect the session at all. I don't think the space bar is stuck. Whenever I actually press space down, the undersc…
01:55<zuul>…ore moves across the screen at double speed.
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02:02<zuul>Found it. The guy in the opposite cubicle had run his keyboard through a hole under my desk, plugged it into a back USB port, and taped down the space key.
02:03<zuul>That was funny for the first half an hour of troubleshooting. Night, thanks hal.
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02:08<themill>ha!
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02:39<bluzeo>ok guys im dumbfounded - how how can i get apper and the software center back?
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04:25<allen>hi all
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04:26<chamuco>hi allen
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04:37<allen>just installed Debian 8.1 "new to debian" using dd command to make bootable USB... does Debian have a dedicated USB application...
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04:47<chamuco>allen a dedicated usb application to create the live usb?
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04:54<allen>Hi chamuco.. yes I have been using other linux distros and all seem to have a usb creator.. dd works well ..but noticed that not installed with base applications on Debian
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05:09<allen>I know you can get UNebootin from gezakovacs/ppa but this listed as an untrusted ppa so not sure if it is safe to do so..
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05:10<appas>don't use ubuntu pps's with debian, just use dd.
05:10<appas>!frankendebian
05:10<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
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05:20<allen>thanks appas/dpkg for the advice .. and yes I can see it would not be a good idea.. dd it is and it work well
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05:32<agaida>https://wiki.debian.org/Sprints/2015/LXQtCamp#Task_Statushttps://wiki.debian.org/Sprints/2015/LXQtCamp#Task_Statushttps://wiki.debian.org/Sprints/2015/LXQtCamp#Task_Statushttps://wiki.debian.org/Sprints/2015/LXQtCamp#Task_Statushttps://wiki.debian.org/Sprints/2015/LXQtCamp#Task_Statushttps://wiki.debian.org/Sprints/2015/LXQtCamp#Task_Status
05:32<agaida>upps, sorry
05:32<appas>no worries, mate
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05:33<appas>at least it was just a single line (unlike this)
05:34<agaida>the usual problem when working with 3 Keyboards at the same time - which keyboard does exactly what :)
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07:12<RezaSR>hi
07:12<RezaSR>where can I disable auto pakage updater in debian stretch with gnome desktop?
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07:56<kali_>bhoifvbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb
07:56<kali_>i am a kali linux user
07:57<kali_>hey why do not you say anything bro or i will hack you
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07:59<hacer_x>Starting Nmap 6.47 ( http://nmap.org ) at 2015-08-22 15:08 BDT
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08:21<leaf>I wonder if somebody can help me. I've got an issue with mouse pointer, so it dissapear in wine game baldursgate (if it matters) and in any steam appliation. I deal with it since a few weeks, googled quite a lot
08:21<leaf>good would be to hear any suggestion
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09:10<really>Hey people ... tell me why Debian is the best please
09:10<really>(this is not a lead-in for a joke)
09:11<really>Jacob Appelbaum uses Debian, prefers it ... I am looking for something that is well community supported, high security yet relatively easy to use. I thought I liked CentOS best but someone please tell me why no-one in the security realm seems to like CentOS
09:12<MrWood>https://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian.en.html
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09:12<really>I didn't say link me, I said tell me
09:12<really>I already read that.
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09:13<really>thanks anyway but ..
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09:14<really>I did install Debian (Wheezy I think) a few weeks ago. Problem I was having was I did not know how to use su or sudo
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09:15<really>When I was learning CentOS I tried to learn from their wiki and a few other places, how to add a user to the "sudoers file" ... I followed the instructions on their wiki to the letter but could not do it
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09:15<really>Maybe someone could direct me to a simple step-by-step on the sudoers file ... or is that not needed in Debian?
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09:17<really>MrWood : is this the right channel for these questions? I notice very little response here.
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09:17<really>Homer Simpson .. mmmmmm HoboPickles .... (drool)
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09:18<really>Why do so many people idle here?
09:18<really>681 users in channel, no one types
09:19<really>Only 2 users in the whole bunch type
09:19<really>me and MrWood
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09:21<markybob>i was just about to respond. shame.
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09:47<dutchfish>really, first of all welcome. I have no idea why nobody responded except for a few. Maybe it is the weather.
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09:48<petn-randall>(or debconf)
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09:57<MrWood>dutchfish: really already left
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10:06<Brigo>it's the thought that counts :)
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11:09<miguel>Hi guys. I.'d like to buy a new laptop, and I would like it to be a laptop-tablet touchscreen (maybe Lenovo Yoga). What's the status of debian on touchscreens?
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11:11<miguel>Does it have to do with the kernel, the distribution or the desktop Environment? (i would use Debian Plasma)
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11:48<serotonintuna>I can't get past the network part of setup, it says no default route is set?
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11:53<somiaj>serotonintuna: what install media do you have?
11:54<serotonintuna>debian netinst.iso
11:54<somiaj>serotonintuna: there is a complet base system on that .iso, you can skip the network stage and install the minimial base system from the iso.
11:55<somiaj>serotonintuna: once you do that you then have a functionging base system, you can configure the network and then rerun tasksel or install the pacakges you want.
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11:57<somiaj>serotonintuna: this is just a suggestion, i'm unsure the best way to fix your routing problem from the installer. But you can hit alt-f2 open a console and see what you can do (this shell is fairly minimial and I prefer to have the base system installed before messing with thigns)
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12:02<serotonintuna>thanks somiaj, i'll see what I can do
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12:19<mgtharr>hello
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12:22<mgtharr>friends
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12:36<serotonintuna>is it safe to use the debian installer to manually repartition windows, or should it be done from within windows?
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12:41<sney>serotonintuna: better to resize ntfs with something that understands ntfs.
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12:51<serotonintuna>is 60GB a decent amount to partition? does it matter really
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12:53<centrx>serotonintuna, It depends on what you are going to store on it. 60GB is plenty for the installation
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13:12<serotonintuna>i assume theres not really any linux programs that take up a large amount of space apart from games, aye?
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13:13<centrx>right it's much slimmer than Windows apps
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13:15<centrx>biggest installed package on my system is texlive-fonts-extra at 622MB
13:15<centrx>next biggest, the kernel at 166MB
13:15<centrx>chromium, libreoffice, etc.
13:15<serotonintuna>neat
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13:20<serotonintuna>do i need /var and /tmp partitions?
13:21<PEB>it depends on what you do
13:21<centrx>serotonintuna, For a normal desktop system, just have those in the same partition
13:21<PEB>/tmp is better as a tmpfs
13:22<centrx>serotonintuna, one partition for Linux, one partition for swap
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13:22<PEB>a separated /var is useful if you intend to have many users on your machine, and you think allowing them some write acls in /var or if your machine logs a lot of things
13:22<PEB>(to avoid having a full / because of logging/random writes from your users)
13:23<aeb> /tmp *may* be better as a tmpfs. so long as all your tmp files fit into half your RAM.
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13:24<serotonintuna>i have 8GB ram, so I dunno
13:24<PEB>/tmp is not the best place to put big temporary files anyway
13:24<serotonintuna>but i won't have multiple users either
13:24<PEB>okay
13:24<PEB>so a single filesystem seems good
13:25<serotonintuna>maybe seperate /home partition?
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13:25<aeb>depends on how large your tmp files can get, normally it's fine to put it on a tmpfs
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13:25<PEB>that can be useful if your reinstall later cause that will help you prevent a move of the home data
13:25<somiaj>flash seems to be one culprit that likes to store large videos in /tmp
13:25<PEB>serotonintuna: so your call :)
13:26<somiaj>but over all it really doesn't take up that much space
13:26<serotonintuna>do i finish partitioning and write changes to disk before or after i configure the Logical Volume Manager?
13:26<serotonintuna>i wanna set it up in encrypted lvm if thats possible/not a bad idea
13:26<aeb>I think you need to first write changes before you can configure LVM
13:27<aeb>but the installer should tell you that
13:27<serotonintuna>yep i clicked ahead and it seems that way
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13:27<somiaj>well aren't the partitions inside the LVM so you first have to set the LVM up and which disks (partitions) the LVM uses, then create the partitions inside the LVM (be sure to leave a partition for /boot)
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13:28<PEB>serotonintuna: you'll have to save your changes, yes
13:28<aeb>no, volumes are inside the physical volumes, and the physical volumes are in partitions
13:28<PEB>because your vg will need a partition to set up
13:28<PEB>:)
13:28<PEB>aeb: except if you use the full disk, but that is not recommended
13:28<PEB>I don't know if debian installer allows that
13:28<aeb>PEB: yeah, I was just about to write that
13:29<PEB>anyway it seems better to have your physical volume on a partition
13:29<serotonintuna>i used full disk for the laptop im on right now :D
13:29<PEB>how did you install grub ?
13:29<serotonintuna>err
13:29<serotonintuna>i dunno
13:30<serotonintuna>i did a guided encrypted lvm setup
13:30<serotonintuna>since im not dual booting on this machine
13:30<serotonintuna>only my desktop
13:30<PEB>so you probably did not use the full disk, but a partition mostly the size of the full disk
13:30<PEB>(less 1MB plus the /boot)
13:30<serotonintuna>yeah probably
13:30<PEB>:)
13:30<aeb>full disk for LVM is dangerous in that other installers or boot images may not recognize it and treat it like an empty disk. partitioning only loses you a few MB at most, so it's hardly worth it to avoid.
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13:36<serotonintuna>soo
13:37<serotonintuna>this LVM configuration thing
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13:37<serotonintuna>im just creating volume groups or something?
13:37<serotonintuna>whatever those are? :s
13:37<serotonintuna>what am i supposed to name them? and do with them?
13:38<aeb>volume groups are the first step (name whatever you want), these contain physical volumes (on multiple disks, if needed), and logical volumes are created in the volume group
13:39<serotonintuna>do i put /home /swap and the system partition all in the same volume?
13:40<aeb>you use volumes in place of partitions, so whatever was discussed above applies here
13:41<serotonintuna>so separate ones for each, then? :p
13:41<aeb>if you use encrypted LVM you need a separate unencrypted boot partition outside LVM
13:41<serotonintuna>err
13:41<serotonintuna>how do i manage that
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13:41<serotonintuna>i feel like its too late
13:41<aeb>so you want encrypted? if you haven't created a partition for /boot you have to go back and do that
13:42<serotonintuna>:|
13:42<serotonintuna>i already finalized changes and it said I cant revert anything, though
13:42<serotonintuna>not with the volume groups, but before that
13:42<serotonintuna>going into the LVM configuration menu
13:43<serotonintuna>wait
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13:43<aeb>that means you'd lose all data when you wrote partition table. you can still go back to main list/menu and go back into partitioning
13:43<serotonintuna>is the EFI System Partition a boot partition?
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13:44<aeb>only for the bootloader itself, I don't know if it's advisable to use it for both. so then you need three partitions: EFI, /boot and LVM
13:44<serotonintuna>good lord
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13:44<aeb>well, grub can boot from LVM, but it can't handle encryption so you need a separate /boot
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13:45<serotonintuna>the EFI thing isnt encrypted
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13:45<serotonintuna>ESP i guess its called
13:45<serotonintuna>but if thats not a boot partition i guess it doesnt matter
13:46<serotonintuna>theres also a tiny 16MB partition, i have no clue what it is
13:46<aeb>the ESP is used by the firmware, so it needs to be a regular partition and unencrypted of course
13:47<serotonintuna>if i have the ESP partition am I good to go, or do I still need to go back?
13:47<aeb>the tiny 16 MB thing, is it even a partition? might just be unusable space
13:47<serotonintuna>might be, it doesnt have a filesystem
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13:49<aeb>the ESP is a requirement for UEFI booting and it has to have a specific structure, best not to mess with it. so you need a separate /boot.
13:49<serotonintuna>even if i'll be UEFI booting? shiet
13:50<aeb>only if you are UEFI booting, the ESP isn't needed otherwise
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13:51<serotonintuna>i used the guided partitioner before I went into LVM, wouldnt it have made sure I had a /boot?
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13:51<aeb>it should, if you selected encrypted LVM. but you can see that in the partitioning module
13:52<serotonintuna>hmm
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13:53<serotonintuna>well i couldnt do the guided encrypted lvm partitioniing cause it wouldve done the whole drive
13:53<serotonintuna>so i just did the guided partitioning for largest free space available
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13:53<serotonintuna>and it made a system partition and /home and /swap and all that
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13:54<aeb>okay, I missed the beginning of the conversation. what are your requirements?
13:54<aeb>I mean, why not whole drive and all.
13:54<serotonintuna>cause im not getting rid of windows entirely yet
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13:56<aeb>okay, so you managed to shrink windows already? uhm, if you wrote the partitioning and you didn't before, that would be bad…
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13:56<aeb>also, an ESP should already exist then from the Windows installation
13:58<serotonintuna>yeah i shrunk windows within windows first
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13:59<aeb>okay, so you see the ESP and Windows partition in the partition module already, plus what you added before
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14:00<serotonintuna>yep
14:00<aeb>basically what you need is one smallish (let's say 500MB) partition formatted as ext4 or something and mounted as /boot and one partition using the rest of the space for use as LVM
14:00<serotonintuna>i just made a volume group for the system partition
14:01<serotonintuna>err
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14:02<aeb>I meant in addition to the ESP and Windows of course
14:02<aeb>you leave the ESP and Windows alone
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14:03<serotonintuna>why is my system partition an unallocated physical volume
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14:04<serotonintuna>nevermind think I got it
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14:04<aeb>I don't remember how the installer displays it, but an unallocated PV sounds about right. in the LVM configuration later you would assign it to the volume group you create.
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14:05<serotonintuna>i made separate logical volumes for each partition which in turn is in their own volume group
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14:05<serotonintuna>i think i did it right? lol
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14:06<aeb>wait, no. are you still in the partitioning or already in the LVM module?
14:06<serotonintuna>lvm module
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14:07<aeb>okay, you really need only one volume group, you assign the unassigned PV to it and later you create logical volumes in it
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14:09<serotonintuna>but if /home /swap and system are in separate volumes...
14:09<aeb>one VG can contain any number of PVs — every PV essentially makes the available space in the VG larger.
14:09<serotonintuna>what changes between having them all in the same VG and having them all in their own?
14:09<aeb>and a VG can contain any number of LVs, which it spreads across the PVs it contains.
14:10<serotonintuna>as it stands i've got
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14:10<aeb>well, one PV can only belong to one VG, so you can't have multiple VGs
14:10<serotonintuna>3 used physical volumes, 3 volume groups, and 3 logical volumse
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14:11<user>ok
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14:12<aeb>that makes no sense. at that point every partition would be one VG with one LV and LVM would be pointless — could have put it directly into the partition instead for the same effect.
14:12<serotonintuna>oops
14:12<serotonintuna>is it too late to put them all in the same VG?
14:13<aeb>how did you get the PVs anyway? there should have been only one partition for LVM, i.e. one PV.
14:13<serotonintuna>3 partitions
14:13<serotonintuna>system, /home and /swap
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14:14<aeb>that shouldn't be in the partitioning, one partition for LVM. you can create multiple volumes inside afterwards for system, home and swap.
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14:15<serotonintuna>wellp im hopelessly lost
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14:16<aeb>basically one contiguous space (partition) for LVM, and LVM manages the space inside to provide multiple volumes.
14:16<serotonintuna>soo
14:16<jmcnaught>serotonintuna: it might help if you read some background info about LVM. One of the big advantages to using it is you can grow/shrink volumes easier than you can partitions. If all of your volumes are in the same volume group it'll be easier. Later on you can add another phyiscal volume (aka a drive) to the volume group, and use the new space to expand the logical volumes (like /home, swap etc)
14:16<serotonintuna>how do i back out of this
14:16<aeb>partitions should be ESP, Windows, /boot and LVM PV. nothing more
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14:17<aeb>back out? back in the partitioning module again...
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14:17<gattovagabundo>hello guys
14:17<serotonintuna>pretty sure its too late
14:17<serotonintuna>to undo changes to the partition
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14:18<aeb>you can't undo any destructive changes to the disk. you can still go back and change the partitioning.
14:18<serotonintuna>nvm
14:18<serotonintuna>i see i can delete them
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14:20<serotonintuna>alright
14:20<serotonintuna>now im back to microsoft, efi, and free space
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14:20<serg>привет
14:20<serg>русские есть?
14:20<aeb>add one /boot about 500 MB
14:21<aeb>and the rest LVM PV
14:21<serotonintuna>no separate swap right? that gets created in LVM too?
14:21<aeb>I think you need to set the LVM PV as encrypted at this stage already
14:21<SynrGy>!ru
14:21<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
14:21<aeb>yes
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14:22<jovi>hola
14:22<serotonintuna>are you positive
14:22<jovi>necesito ayuda
14:22<serotonintuna>the ESP partition isnt already basically /boot
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14:23<markybob>!es
14:23<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
14:23<jovi>ok gracias
14:23<aeb>the ESP is UEFI specific, I don't think you can use it as /boot like that, but let me chec
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14:26<aeb>I don't think it would work well, especially because the ESP is FAT formatted and that is not good for a Linux filesystem. the ESP contains the bootloader, the /boot partition contains kernels and initrds.
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14:26<serotonintuna>how do I create the boot partition anyways>
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14:26<aeb>create one partition, set it to format as ext4 and mount as /boot
14:27<petn-randall>ESP and /boot should be different partitions, because the ESP is mounted at /boot/efi/
14:27<serotonintuna>i chose create partition on the free space and put in 500 MB, now its asking if i want it created at the beginning or the end
14:27<aeb>beginning
14:28<aeb>I don't think there's much problems with UEFI, but safest is always beginning
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14:28<serotonintuna>does it matter what its name is?
14:28<serotonintuna>and i put /boot for the mount point?
14:28<serotonintuna>or just /
14:28<serotonintuna>since it is /boot
14:29<aeb>yes, /boot as mount point
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14:29<aeb>that's where kernels get installed and where the bootloader has to load them (outside encrypted LVM)
14:29<serotonintuna>whats reserved blocks?
14:29<serotonintuna>its at 5%
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14:30<enk0re>hi where can i find the list of packages installed by debian 8 netinstall?
14:30<aeb>doesn't matter, since it's not written to by normal users
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14:30<serotonintuna>how bout bootable flag?
14:30<serotonintuna>on or off?
14:30<aeb>doesn't make a difference either I think, leave it off since it is not bootable really
14:30<serotonintuna>and name can be anything i assume
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14:31<aeb>name as in label? I don't remember why it would ask for that.
14:31<serotonintuna>i have none set for label
14:31<aeb>name does not really matter either way
14:31<serotonintuna>but it has a field for Name too
14:31<aeb>hmm...
14:31<serotonintuna>i think its just an identifier
14:32<serotonintuna>its in the same spot as the name of the Microsoft Recovery partition
14:32<serotonintuna>so now I can make my volume group right? and only one?
14:32<aeb>possibly a GPT identifier? I don't know… ext4 would have a label, so the name is for the partition itself? maybe you can just leave it empty.
14:33<serotonintuna>yeah its the partition name
14:33<aeb>one encrypted physical volume for the rest of the space.
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14:34<serotonintuna>all in the one group, except for boot?
14:34<serotonintuna>i mean
14:34<serotonintuna>theres only one now
14:35<serotonintuna>so i guess i make like 3 logical volumes inside of the one partition or something?
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14:35<aeb>it should be one physical volume. it is later assigned to a volume group, and the logical volumes with filesystems are created in the volume group
14:36<serotonintuna>how much GB for system? 10?
14:36<serotonintuna>how do I let it know which is which?
14:36<aeb>so you have one VG now? and are in the LVM modules creating logical volumes?
14:37<serotonintuna>yep
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14:37<aeb>so, now it depends what you want to do. separate /home, swap and so on… all as volumes.
14:38<aeb>the good part is that you can start with 10GB for system and when it's not enough anymore, you can extend the volume in the running system.
14:38<serotonintuna>neat
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14:38<serotonintuna>whats a good size for /swap?
14:38<aeb>and the system knows which is which by the mount point, i.e. system is /, home is /home, swap has special settings
14:39<serotonintuna>i cant choose the mount point from within lvm module im guessing
14:40<aeb>good size for swap? back in times twice RAM was recommended, but I don't know how relevant that is with today's computers. I don't have swap on my laptop.
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14:40<serotonintuna>i have 8GB of RAM, would it be worthless for me?
14:40<markybob>just give it a worthless 512M
14:41<jmcnaught>serotonintuna: swap is required if you want to be able to hibernate to disk, you need at least as much space as you have RAM
14:41<serotonintuna>jeez
14:41<markybob>i'm shoot myself in the face if i gave 8G to swap for a normal system
14:42<serotonintuna>lol
14:42<aeb>from my memory, the volumes should be handled same as partitions, but they show up in the table indented, as contained by the volume group.
14:42<markybob>suspend, don't hybernate. problem solved
14:42<serotonintuna>is hibernate just sleep? or is it like the super deep sleep? i cant remember
14:42<markybob>serotonintuna, super deep is an easy way to think of it. suspend is lighter
14:43<aeb>if you don't need swap, just don't create it. you could always create it afterwards if it turns out you need it (and you still have space left)
14:43<serotonintuna>i dont think i'd ever need to hibernate my desktop
14:44<serotonintuna>markybob why would you choose 512mb swap over none at all? wouldnt that little of swap space be not doing much at all?
14:44<aeb>it wouldn't, I don't see the point either.
14:44<jmcnaught>serotonintuna: you're setting up full disk encryption right? the disks are unlocked while the computer is suspended, but locked while hibernated (as long as swap is encrypted too)
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14:45<markybob>serotonintuna, i've never had 8G of ram and i compile things. 512M seems to work for me.
14:45<jmcnaught>so if the goal is to make sure nobody with physical access can steal your data while the computer is unattended, hibernate is a little safer
14:45<markybob>serotonintuna, plus...it's just 512M. you're not gonna miss it
14:45<serotonintuna>jmcnaught thats kinda cool, not worth 8GB of RAM though when I could probably just shut down instead right?
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14:45<serotonintuna>well if its so little i figure i might as well just not have it markybob :p
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14:46<jmcnaught>serotonintuna: it's up to you. if your drive has a couple hundred GB or more, 8GB is not that big a price
14:46<serotonintuna>if my computers unattended its likely to be off anyways
14:47<serotonintuna>and im not too worried about people snooping it, it being a desktop and all
14:47<serotonintuna>i wanna squeeze as much space as i can get outta this SSD
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14:47<aeb>but you want encryption, right? and you have created the LVM as encrypted?
14:48<markybob>serotonintuna, yes, it's an ubuntu faq...but it fits. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq
14:48<serotonintuna>aeb actually it just occured to me
14:49<serotonintuna>ive been using LVM but i dunno how to do the encryption part
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14:51<serotonintuna>i probably have to do the LVM thing over again, don't I
14:51<aeb>uhm okay. I don't remember if the partitioner allows you to "format" as encrypted LVM or if you have to create encrypted volume and LVM inside.
14:51<serotonintuna>theres an option to Configure the Logical Volume Manager
14:52<serotonintuna>and below that is
14:52<serotonintuna>Configure encrypted volumes
14:52<serotonintuna>maybe i shouldve done that one first, then LVM?
14:53<aeb>possibly. I don't remember the installer that well.
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14:58<serotonintuna>soo
14:58<serotonintuna>can you even encrypt free space
14:58<serotonintuna>it says theres no existing file system on this partition
14:58<serotonintuna>cause i undid the LVM stuff
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14:59<serotonintuna>i dunno which i should do first
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14:59<markybob>you're making this way more complicated than it should be. just do guided partitioning with encrypted lvm.
15:00<aeb>well then, I guess you should turn the LVM partition into an encrypted partition.
15:00<serotonintuna>i cant markybob, then i'd have to do the whole disk
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15:05<serotonintuna>aeb do i encrypt the logical volumes or the main partitioni made them out of?
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15:05<serotonintuna>and system and home would both be ext4 yeah?
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15:06<aeb>easiest would be to encrypt the partition, then all of LVM is encrypted in one go (and unlocked with one password entry)
15:07<aeb>it can be ext4 or xfs or even btrfs if you dare
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15:07<serotonintuna>i dont dare
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15:08<serotonintuna>wellp
15:08<aeb>well don't use btrfs if you're not aware of the state of things and risks. what I mean is filesystem is your choice, modern Linux filesystems are ext4 and xfs.
15:08<serotonintuna>"unable to satisfy all constraints on the partition"
15:08<serotonintuna>encrypting the partition doesnt seem to work
15:09<serotonintuna>maybe it does have to be done first, then LVM ._.
15:09<aeb>LVM would be inside the encrypted partition, so setting up encryption would have to happen first.
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15:18<pondo>how to make youtube work in debian?
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15:18<mtn>pondo, it will work fine using chromium, even without flash being installed
15:19<pondo>ok
15:20<mtn>pondo, otherwise, install the flashplugin
15:20<serotonintuna>should i set the logical volumes as ext4 or "physical volume for encryption"? i already set the main partition to the latter
15:20<markybob>pondo, never got it working with web (epiphany). so i hope you don't want that
15:20<pondo>that was the original question.
15:21<markybob>i gave up
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15:22<Carnage613>hello
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15:23<Haricophile>pondo, https://github.com/i-rinat/freshplayerplugin
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15:24<aeb>serotonintuna: partition -> encryption -> LVM PV — if it's done like that, the LVM is encrypted as a whole, and you don't have to encrypt any volumes you create inside
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15:25<serotonintuna>yep, made it through
15:25<serotonintuna>now i just have to figure out if i want a swap partition or not
15:26<pondo>thanks
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16:03<SdS>Hello. I would like to know if we have any guidance on the following topics: "Behaviour Driven Devellopment" and "Test Driven Devellopment" and if we use them in debian devellopment process. I'm more than happy to be redirected to some documentation...
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16:10<valdyn>SdS: debian developers / teams are totally independent and use whatever *they* want.
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16:12<SdS>valdyn: I understand this freedom! are you aware of any team that uses these concepts?
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17:17<Mario>Hello I am uneble to start X after nvidia driver installation, this is my lspci output: http://paste.debian.net/302747/ my xorg log: http://paste.debian.net/302748/ and my xorg.conf http://paste.debian.net/302750/
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17:21<markybob>mario that sucks. maybe this will help: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=nvidia-installer-cleanup or /usr/bin/nvidia-installer --uninstall
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17:23<markybob>Mario, and then use nouveau
17:23<Mario>I did uninstalled I do have X now
17:23<Mario>but I want to use my nvidia
17:24<Mario>I blacklisted nouveau, I want to use the propietary driver
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17:24<markybob>nvidia drivers arent supported here, though.
17:24<Mario>is the first time I have problems with an nvidia card
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17:25<Mario>I know that are not supported here, but can you point me in the right direction?
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17:26<markybob>i would if i could. havent used nvidia driver in years. don't know how to further help.
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17:26<Mario>ok thanks anyway
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17:37<blast007>Mario: how did you install the nVidia drivers?
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17:43<Mario>Blast:
17:43<Mario>last time with the nvidia oficial drivers
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17:46<blast007>Mario: that's not a recommended way of doing it as the official drivers, afaik, overwrite other files
17:46<Mario>waht is the recomendead way
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17:49<Dancus> [23:49] [Dancus(+i)] [2:#debian(+clnt 705)] [Act: 1]
17:50<Dancus>
17:50<Dancus>[#debian]:
17:50<Dancus>https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
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18:04<blast007>https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Drivers <-- sounds like you would need the drivers from experimental though as the ones in Jessie only support up to the 7xx line. I do not know the recommended way to handle that, though.
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18:06<Dancus>if you are in jesse, you could use the non-free repository for install the driver
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18:08<blast007>Dancus: the driver in jessie isn't new enough for their GPU, so it's more involved than just adding 'contrib non-free' to the end of their apt sources
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18:12<n0x>fuck
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18:12<n0x>anybdy here?
18:12<Mario>How can I now if noveau is using the nvidia card ?
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18:14<mtn>Mario, noveau is the nvidia driver, that is the only thing it can use
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18:14<Mario>ok so how can I know wich card is being used intel or nvidia?
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18:16<mtn>Mario, install inxi. in a terminal: inxi -Gx
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18:18<Mario>it shoung both of them
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18:19<mtn>Mario, is this a laptop? do you have bumblebee installed?
18:19<Mario>yes is a laptop I dont know if I have bumblebee
18:20<mtn>Mario, you need bumblebee to handle two video cards on a laptop. check out the wiki
18:21<Mario>I just want to use the nvidia
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18:25<Mario>do I need bumblebee?
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18:26<Mario>does it come with stretch or i need to installit
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18:29<mtn>Mario, look in the wiki and the package manager
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18:29<Mario>so no one can help me here?
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18:30<mtn>Mario, doesn't that help you?
18:30<Mario>no, not really
18:30<mtn>Mario, can't you read the wiki or look in your package manager?
18:31<jmcnaught>Mario: if you're using stretch/testing you should be in #debian-next, but the general expectation is that you read the docs, and ask for help with steps or errors you don't understand
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18:31<Mario>ok ok
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20:14<daunt>is this the place for help?
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20:16<Brigo>daunt, if your problem is about debian, yes.
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20:17<daunt>rtl_nic/rtl8168e-3.fw firmware non-free for realtek audio, trying to do a manual install
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20:18<daunt>online says that the location for the files after i've acquired them is user/local/lib/firmware
20:18<daunt>my user is daunt
20:18<daunt>when i type daunt/ i'm told that it's incorrect
20:18<daunt>if i try home/daunt/L i'm told it's incorrect
20:18<daunt>i'm tried rightclicking and selecting options to install package
20:18<jmcnaught>daunt: that firmware is available in the firmware-realtek package in non-free
20:19<daunt>followed by restarting the computer, and it's still not installed
20:19<PEB>daunt: are you sure it does not say /usr/local/lib/firmware ?
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20:24<daunt>well that got me closer, i was able to reach /usr/local/lib, but firmware did not exist after that, and it does not allow me to drag and drop or create a new file inside of lib
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20:28<daunt>i have the package =) can't think of anything else to try
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20:30<daunt>i'm excited though, this is my first experiences with linux anything
20:30<daunt>i love it all
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20:30<daunt>just need my sound working with the realtek package
20:32<jmcnaught>daunt: did you install some realtek drivers from source?
20:33<jmcnaught>daunt: that firmware-realtek would install the firmware files to /lib/firmware. You can check if firmwares got loaded or are missing with the command "dmesg | grep firmware"
20:34<daunt>i don't fully understand the question, but i recieved them from https://packages.debian.org/jessie/firmware-realtek and tried installed the package through rightclick>open with>package install, after the process went through i would restart, they are currently not inside of /lib/
20:35<daunt>is that what you needed to know? =)
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20:36<jmcnaught>daunt: an easier and more correct way is to use a command like "apt-get install firmware-realtek" on the command line, or use a package manager GUI tool like Synaptic to install the package
20:38<daunt>thank you very much for the help, i will do those two things and let you know whatever happens
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20:40<jmcnaught>daunt: cheers. if you're looking for a book to help you get started with Debian, https://debian-handbook.info/ is free to read online and pretty great. It doesn't seem to be updated for Debian 8 yet, but almost all of it will be relevant still
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20:42<daunt>it asks me if i'm root, i tried typing my password and i tried typing yes
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20:44<jmcnaught>daunt: you can become root on the command line with the command "su -", it asks for the root password. Then as root you can use apt-get to install packages
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20:46<jmcnaught>daunt: don't use root all the time though, only when it's required
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20:47<squinty_>jmcnaught, thanks for posting the debian book link as I wasn't aware of it. fwiw, the book can also be downloaded (with or without making a donation) https://debian-handbook.info/download/stable/debian-handbook.pdf
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20:48<jmcnaught>squinty_: also available as the debian-handbook package :)
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20:49<squinty_>jmcnaught, ahhhh....also good to know. thanks again
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20:51<daunt>the command says it's already installed and synaptic says it's installed, however it's still not showing up at /usr/local/lib/
20:51<daunt>and i still have no sound, should i restart computer?
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20:52<jmcnaught>daunt: it would be in /lib/firmware. /usr/local is for stuff installed not from packages
20:55<jmcnaught>daunt: there's a "dmesg" command you can use that shows kernel logs. you don't need to be root to run it. Another command "grep" can be used to filter for keywords. You can put them together with "dmesg | grep firmware" to search kernel messages with the word firmware
20:55<jmcnaught>daunt: so can you try that "dmesg | grep firmware" command, and then put the output on http://paste.debian.net/ ?
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20:56<daunt>will do
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20:56<daunt>jmcnaught: will do
20:58<daunt>jmcnaught: http://paste.debian.net/303106/
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21:00<jmcnaught>daunt: thanks :) Line 3 of your paste says that the firmware was loaded successfully, but line 2 is saying you might want to install firmware-linux-nonfree for your graphics card
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21:00<jmcnaught>daunt: do you have a volume control visible on your screen?
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21:01<jmcnaught>daunt: oh wait.. line three is loading a firmware for your realtek network adapter.
21:01<ryouma>sometimes a youtube video is too soft, even when the computer volume is turned up all the way. i can produce louder sounds with other videos. so what do i do to make those videos louder?
21:01<daunt>jmcnaught: i will search for that package on line 2, and not currently but previously, i'll try and add volume to the panel
21:01<jmcnaught>daunt: can you put the output of "lspci -nn" on paste.debian.net?
21:01<ryouma>i am runnign wheezy. i have purged pulseaudio because it never worked reliably.
21:01<daunt>jmcnaught: previously it was 100%
21:02<jmcnaught>ryouma: that happens for me too, and so far what I think is that simply lots of youtube videos have crappy audio mastering
21:03<ryouma>jmcnaught: the strange thing is, alsamixer and grkrellm both are at max volume. can't my sound card "gain" more?
21:05<jmcnaught>daunt: are you using Gnome? Have you check the sound settings to make sure the correct output is selected?
21:05<daunt>jmcnaught: http://paste.debian.net/303119/
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21:06<jmcnaught>ryouma: i don't know, there might be a way to configure alsa or pulseaudio to apply a gain filter to the sound
21:06<daunt>jmcnaught: volume double checked at 100%, and i'm either using gnome or i'm using nothing, it didn't look like gnome image search results on googlesearch
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21:08<jmcnaught>daunt: Is the volume control at the right end of a black bar on the top of the screen? If you click that, do you get a menu that has a button in the bottom shaped like a circle with a wrench and screwdriver?
21:09<jmcnaught>daunt: So you have two sound cards, one on your motherboard, the other is your HDMI output. It could be simply that the system is trying to use HDMI for sound
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21:11<daunt>jmcnaught: to tell you the truth, about 30 seconds into my first impressions of linux debian, i somehow accidentally deleted my panel bar toying with everything so i had to rebuild it, i added "audio mixer" to answer the volume question
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21:14<jmcnaught>daunt: okay maybe it's not gnome? do you have a panel at the bottom?
21:14<daunt>jmcnaught: it was originally at the top :x after recreating it i moved it to the bottom
21:15<daunt>when i first installed the operating system, i selected all the skins
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21:16<daunt>if gnome is the default when all are installed, then i still have gnome
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21:16<jmcnaught>daunt: which one do you select on the login screen? Depending on which display manager you use, there will be a gear icon or a "session" menu or similar to let you select the environment you want to use for that login
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21:18<daunt>jmcnaught: i'll log out and see what's selected
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21:21<daunt>jmcnaught: default Xsession
21:21<daunt>jmcnaught: is the name
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21:22<jmcnaught>daunt: ok thanks :) unfortunately that just tells us you're using the default, but i don't know what the default is when you have them all installed. Was Gnome one of the options, and if so can you try selecting it?
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21:22<daunt>jmcnaught: i will do that =)
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21:24<daunt>jmcnaught: well this is a lot different! fancy
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21:24<daunt>jmcnaught: i'm now on GNOME
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21:25<jmcnaught>daunt: okay, click the icons in the top-right corner, in that menu click the settings icon (wrench+screwdiver). Go to the sound settings, check which device is used for output
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21:26<daunt>jmcnaught: SOUND! you fixed it! nothing was selected under output
21:26<daunt>jmcnaught: thank you so much
21:26<jmcnaught>daunt: you're welcome :)
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21:27<daunt>jmcnaught: anything i can do to help you out? vouch for you somewhere or a donation link or something?
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21:28<jmcnaught>daunt: gnome is pretty great. you can hit the windows ("super") key to get to the dashboard, see the virtual desktops on the right side. you can also type to search/launch apps. The gnome help has a pretty good tour including videos
21:28<Eri_R>hola alguien habla con migo estoy aburrida
21:29<jmcnaught>daunt: nah don't worry about it. Debian is all volunteers, and helping people on IRC sometimes is the way I give back from the fringes
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21:29<jmcnaught>!es
21:29<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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21:30<daunt>jmcnaught: i built my computer a few months ago, i got lucky as hell everything magically also being linux compatible, i'm so glad i switched to, everything is so customizable
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21:31<daunt>jmcnaught: it's crazy, i should of done this so long ago, open source has amazing results
21:31<jmcnaught>daunt: it's true. careful with customizing though, always make sure you have a way to reverse the changes
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21:33<jmcnaught>daunt: don't forget to check out debian-handbook (after you install the package it will be accessible at file:///usr/share/doc/debian-handbook/html/index.html)
21:34<jmcnaught>daunt: another good one is debian-reference
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21:36<daunt>jmcnaught: save in a notepad so i wont forget =) going to fix the line2 issues with video card so everything stops being huge @.@
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21:37<jmcnaught>daunt: you probably just need to install firmware-linux-nonfree and reboot. Here is a wiki page with more info: https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo
21:37<jester45>Hello, trying to get vga passthrough to work with kvm, following https://wiki.debian.org/VGAPassthrough . iommu is enabled, vfio is assigned to correct devices. when i start kvm/qemu i get no errors except in dmesg i get a "kvm: zapping shadow pages for mmio generation wraparound" with 100% cpu usage
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21:45<daunt>jmcnaught: what was the code you gave me followed by to filter results? logging out cleared history, dmeg | something firmware???
21:47<jmcnaught>daunt: dmesg is the command for kernel messages. grep is for filtering. together they were "dmesg | grep firmware" Almost every command on Debian has a manual page you can read with for example "man ls"
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21:48<daunt>jmcnaught: thank you =)
21:49<daunt>jmcnaught: and that super key really comes in handy
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21:52<jmcnaught>what do you know? super+m toggles the messages bar at the bottom in Gnome
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22:13<daunt>jmcnaught: what is your favorite linux browser and what's your prefered search engine?
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23:12<fallore>i marked a package for complete removal in the synaptic package manager, thinking it was a kind of "full uninstall" since i didn't want to leave any traces for a reinstall. i think it deleted the package from the manager. how can i get it back?
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23:14<jmcnaught>fallore: reinstall it
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23:15<fallore>jmcnaught, do you mean from the debian package manager?
23:15<jmcnaught>fallore: yeah. are you using synaptic or something?
23:15<jmcnaught>fallore: removing or purging a package doesn't make it unavailble to reinstall again
23:16<fallore>jmcnaught, yeah i mentioned that. i'm trying to install steam and it kept telling me about missing libraries or dependencies or something, so i thought maybe installing it through synaptic might install the ones i need.
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23:17<guillaume>hello i need help got sound problem i have no sound but driver seem working
23:18<jmcnaught>fallore: well you could try it from the command with "apt-get install <packagename>" and it should install all the dependencies for you
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23:19<jmcnaught>fallore: if you get an error you can put it on http://paste.debian.net/ so people here can help you with it
23:20<fallore>okay thanks jmcnaught i'll see how it goes
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23:22<guillaume>anyone to help for a sound problem ? i am on a fresh debian with xfce install it's onboard sound and got no sound from the backpanel and from the front panel
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23:25<guillaume>http://pastebin.com/3FJJAtUM my lspci info for my sound.
23:26<jmcnaught>fallore: for what it's worth, steam is listed in jessie on packages.debian.org, but that package is not available on my system. Maybe something happend to them
23:26<jmcnaught>guillaume: you get some sound just not all the channels or speakers?
23:26<fallore>jmcnaught, i'm not having much trouble getting steam installed, just having trouble with error messages about missing files/dependencies/libraries once it is
23:26<guillaume>no sound at all
23:27<guillaume>alsa is installed and the alsa mixer said the volume is at 100% the speaker work on another computer so not the speaker
23:27<jmcnaught>fallore: i don't know much about steam, but there is a wiki page: https://wiki.debian.org/Steam
23:28<fallore>yeah i'm going through that now. thanks a lot
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23:29<guillaume>and i have added my user to sound groups that did not worked i have tried some trick i have find on the debian wiki not seem to work either
23:29<jmcnaught>fallore: hah.. the reason i don't have it listed on my system is i don't have i386 sources.. it might be a multi-arch issue for you too, pretty easy to fix
23:30<jmcnaught>guillaume: does Xfce have some sort of sound configuration, possibly under a settings menu?
23:30<guillaume>hmm i go see
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23:32<guillaume>i got the audi mixer - hda intel
23:32<guillaume>audio
23:32<guillaume>i think i just got it will play a sound for tcheck
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23:35<guillaume>no
23:35<fallore>i found a post referring to a fix of my problem that references the "Debian FTP archive." what is this/where can i find it?
23:35<guillaume>there was an x on the little speaker in the audio mixer i clicked on it the audio bar showed but i can't put the volume up
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23:36<jmcnaught>guillaume: does your mixer tool let you choose different devices? If you're using pulseaudio, make sure it's not muted too
23:36<guillaume>and in the alsamixer in terminal said it's 100%
23:36<guillaume>no only alsa
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23:37<jmcnaught>guillaume: if you hit F6 there are not other cards?
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23:38<guillaume>nope only one
23:38<guillaume>i just added the volume control to task bar now able tu raise it but still no sound..
23:39<guillaume>in fact yess got default and hda-intel
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23:40<guillaume>it said realtek do i need another driver for realtek card ?
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23:40<guillaume>i remember i have read something about realtek card on the wiki
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23:41<jmcnaught>guillaume: maybe put the output of "lspci -nn" on http://paste.debian.net ?
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23:41<jmcnaught>guillaume: i don't know if xfce on debian uses pulseaudio by default (my guess is that it does), so you could also try installing "pavucontrol" and try adjusting the volume there
23:42<guillaume>http://paste.debian.net/303342/
23:42<guillaume>il try
23:42<jmcnaught>guillaume: your lspci output only lists one sound card
23:44<guillaume>with the pavucontrol i see the sound bar working ( youtube run ) but there is a x on every little speaker logo
23:44<guillaume>and still no sound
23:44<guillaume>not able to put it on
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23:46<oscarvarto>I cannot install mono-complete in debian jessie after following instructions here http://fsharp.org/use/linux/
23:48<jmcnaught>guillaume: you mean you cannot click the mute toggle button?
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23:48<guillaume>yess i can it close the line but don't give sound and whe i choose hardware output it say no device
23:49<jmcnaught>guillaume: so the only device shown, what's it called?
23:49<oscarvarto>I'm getting this error http://pastie.org/10369691
23:49<guillaume>i donà't know if i translate well ( my install is in french ) but i would translate it as fake device
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23:50<oscarvarto>Is this the right channel for my question?
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23:51<jmcnaught>oscarvarto: it looks like a problem with the third party repository. mono-complete is in Debian, did you try using that?
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23:52<oscarvarto>I was trying to get newer packages
23:52<jmcnaught>oscarvarto: if you don't want to use the debian packages, you'll need to ask the mono channel why there repository is broken
23:53<jmcnaught>s/there/their/
23:53<oscarvarto>jmcnaught, OK
23:53<oscarvarto>Thanks!
23:53<jmcnaught>oscarvarto: my advice is to be wary of third party repos in general, they can make debian systems unupgradable
23:54<jmcnaught>guillaume: you can tell me in french
23:54<guillaume>sortie factice
23:55<guillaume>just saw on the wiki that sometime we need the realtek driver but have to download it and then make it but i am not too familliar with make command
23:55<jmcnaught>guillaume: can you run "dmesg | grep firmware" and put it in a paste?
23:56<guillaume>yess
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23:56<guillaume>got only one line
23:56<guillaume>intel_rng: don't want to disable this in firmware setup, and if
23:57<guillaume>that is all i got as output
23:57<jmcnaught>guillaume: are you in the "audio" group?
23:57<guillaume>yess i have added and it said it was already in the groud
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