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00:06<me>i want to hack an android with shell help me plz
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00:54<twb>Both /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh and /lib/udev/rules.d/85-hwclock.rules appear to be handling the hardware clock. Does that mean one of them is a pointless NOOP?
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03:17<Glanzmann>Hello; Some Debian mirrors seem to have broken meta data pro packages: (infra) [~] apt-get update 2>&1 | pbot https://pbot.rmdir.de/7kE5p3avMmN-Ldocu3K3xw
03:18<Glanzmann>Is this a known problem?
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03:20<Glanzmann>Oh it is backports.
03:21<twb>Glanzmann: try httpredir.debian.org mirror
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03:21<twb>Glanzmann: also check if you are using a caching proxy server
03:21<Glanzmann>I'll do that. I don't have a proxy server.
03:22<twb>This is also sometimes caused by a bug in apt, I think there was a d-ann post recently saying fixed in experimental
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03:23<Glanzmann>Okay. Btw. httpredir.debian.org gives me an error: https://pbot.rmdir.de/ToSX09bA5Vkd7q0c7xLcMg
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03:29<twb>If he comes back, get him to do curl -vL http://... and see if there's any suspicious mention of proxy
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03:31<luckyuser>eee
03:31<luckyuser>Hey
03:31<luckyuser>Hello, guys
03:31<luckyuser>I am from Semplice
03:31<luckyuser>:)\
03:32<twb>luckyuser: hi, do you need help with a problem?
03:32<luckyuser>hey
03:32<luckyuser>HEY
03:33<luckyuser>What is good? Lubuntu or Semplice?
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03:33<pappad>Hi all.
03:34<twb>luckyuser: sorry, we only support Debian here.
03:34<twb>dpkg: tell luckyuser about based no debian
03:34<twb>dpkg: tell luckyuser about based on debian
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03:34<pappad>I do have a support question for Debian, if I could take your time.
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03:35<twb>pappad: sure
03:35<pappad>I'm running Jessie, and lately it's taken ~90 hours for my remote server to boot up all the way. I looked in dmesg and found: http://pastebin.com/nivHzCCK
03:35<pappad>It's stalling at pref and again with networking stuff.
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03:36<pappad>I installed linux-utils to try to fix the pref issue, but I'm stumped with the rest of it.
03:36<pappad>Especially since it just takes forever, and boots up anyway after a long time. So it's strange to me, and difficult to troubleshoot.
03:36<twb>pappad: is your debian root filesystem FAT formatted?
03:37<pappad>So I thought I'd get the thoughts of those here.
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03:37<twb>I do not think perf is the cause of the problem, it is just reporting that it saw the problem
03:38<pappad>I think my boot partition is. I would check for you and tell you, however it's still booting.
03:38<pappad>remotely, so I can't even physically check at the moment.
03:38<twb>pappad: OK. /boot is probably OK, but if / is fat you will probably have many many problems
03:38<twb>Did you see this line? [drm] Please upgrade your BIOS to fix this.
03:39<twb>I cannot see a "smoking gun" in your paste, so I would try usual things --- swap in different parts to see if the problem follows a part; use SMART to check disks are all OK; use memtest tocheck RAM is all OK
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03:40<pappad>I see it now, but that looks like display related stuff. Also the manufacturer does not provide firmware updates for Linux Hosts sadly. I'll take a look when I can get physical access.
03:41<pappad>However the SMART came back clean, even after a long check.
03:41<pappad>And I haven't done memtest, so I will when I get physical access to the computer.
03:41<pappad>Thank you for your analysis.
03:41<twb>Yes for bios update you might need to boot into freedos, or even windows
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03:43<pappad>Sadly I may have to. I only bring it up here because it did not start until last month after a bunch of updates. Oh well. Thanks for the help.
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03:45<twb>Then it would also be good to check the logs for what those updates did
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03:46<twb>But if you do not reboot regularly, be careful to look back far enough -- the problem could have been introduced even earlier, and you just didn't notice
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04:02<cx405>hey! Can someone explain me, what does this mean please: from man pam_uname - "... the umask group bits are set to be the same as owner bits (examples: 022 -> 002, 077 -> 007).". I dont get what "owner bits" are.. Thanks!
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04:02<twb>cx405: OK you know how there are three "rwx" ?
04:02<cx405>twb: yes, on umask, files, dirs. Sure
04:02<twb>So 750 --> rwxr-x---, the owner is the first of those three
04:02<cx405>octal and latein
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04:03<twb>Actually there is a fourth octect, which is used for setuid, setgid, and sticky.
04:03<cx405>twb, yeah, I know this too (pretty good, I'd say), but I don't get what object,file,dir is meant to be taken these rights from.
04:03<twb>The 7 is because 1 + 2 + 4 = 7. Or in binary, 111₂ which is directly corresponding to the r w x
04:04<twb>Ah sorry, I thought you were talking about owner bits
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04:05<twb>can you rephrase your question? I don't understand it
04:05<cx405>twb, yes I was talking about them... I simply don't get this. For example, one can specify umask with a value. But what does this mean "the umask group bits are set to be the same as owner bits".. I don't get where these owner bits are taken.
04:05<cx405>there is nothing supplied.
04:06<twb>Hm, you said pam_uname. Do you mean pam_umask? I don't have pam_uname
04:07<cx405>does this mean, umask looks at the permissions of the $home and inherits those for all (new touched) user files?
04:07<twb>It is getting the umask number from /etc/login.def or similar, as it says in the DESCRIPTION section
04:07<cx405>twb, yes, sorry. I mean umask everywhere. man pam_umask
04:08-!-mode/#debian [+l 700] by debhelper
04:08<twb>Also note http://bugs.debian.org/646692
04:08<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/646692 in libpam-modules (open, upstream, patch): «pam_umask: umask in /etc/login.defs not respected cause libpam_umask is not configured»; severity: normal; opened: 2011-10-26; last modified: 2013-04-23.
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04:08<twb>pam_umask is off by default so nothing will happen unless you enable it
04:08<cx405>twb, yes, but that makes no sense to me. If umask is explicitly supplied, what is the use apply owner umask permissions as group umask permissions...
04:08<cx405>twb, its actually on.
04:09<twb>cx405: well it is saying if usergroups is passed to pam_umask.so, it will ignore the group value in the umask
04:09<cx405>twb, on current debian testing setup, I get umask 0022 - and I never find where this is coming from.
04:09<twb>so pam_umask.so umask=750 ---> umask is 750
04:09<twb>so pam_umask.so umask=750 usergroups ---> umask is 770
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04:10<twb>If you do not use "usergroups" option, it just uses the umask as-is
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04:10<cx405>twb, ah, this is nice brilliant explaination. Thank you! Ignore supplied group umask value and substitute it with supplied owner umask value.
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04:10<twb>Right
04:11<cx405>twb, still, Debian somehow, by pure magic, applies 0022 everywhere.
04:11<twb>I would try grepping for 022 in /etc/ and ~/.??*
04:11<twb>It is probably .profile or something
04:11<cx405>twb, if you'd express you thoughts about where it may get that value, you will make my day!
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04:12<twb>I see it on my jessie system in login.defs
04:12<twb>It is also in /etc/skel/.profile but it is commented out there
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04:13<cx405>twb, been there. .profile, .bashrc, /etc/profile, /etc/bash.bashrc. There is only a UMASK 022 in /etc/login.defs, which is ignored because pam_umask is not initialized in /etc/pam.d/common-session
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04:13<cx405>twb, yeah, /etc/skel is also free. Only commented out variable in its .profile.
04:13<twb>Then it is probably coming from the thing that makes your user session -- e.g. openssh-server or gdm3
04:14<twb>Or possibly even the linux kernel
04:14<cx405>hmmmm
04:14<twb>I would not worry about where, just override it with pam_umask
04:14<cx405>I don't run openssh server on notebook. And I run MATE. Yes, I guess, I will take your advice!
04:15<cx405>twb, thank you!!
04:15<twb>You are welcome. Also if you are running testing, you should ask #debian-next next time
04:15<cx405>twb, okay sure!
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05:08<kaplan>Hi, I'm trying to figure what went wrong when closing #763749, as it still block gphpedit from (re)entering testing. See https://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?package=gphpedit
05:08<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/763749 in gphpedit (closed): «gphpedit: FTBFS in current testing»; severity: serious; opened: 2014-10-02; last modified: 2015-08-17.
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05:10<Brigo>kaplan, maybe the gcc transition?
05:10<Brigo>,v pghedit
05:10<judd>No package named 'pghedit' was found in amd64.
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05:11<Brigo>,v gphpedit
05:11<judd>Package: gphpedit on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.9.97+20100226-1; wheezy: 0.9.98-2; sid: 0.9.98-3
05:11<Brigo>kaplan, there is a gcc transition and it can be the issue.
05:11<Brigo>!gcc transition
05:11<dpkg>One of the biggest transitions ever undertaken in Debian: new versions of libstdc++/gcc require over 3000 source packages to be recompiled. Don't expect packages in sid to be installable; use testing instead. https://release.debian.org/transitions/html/libstdc++6.html (and if you didn't already know this, ask yourself if you should be using sid).
05:12<Brigo>you can try a simple sid backport:
05:12<Brigo>!ssb
05:12<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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05:12<themill>I'll guess that the bug need to be notfound in that version to
05:12<themill>o
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05:29<daunt>is there a version of debian without mouse theme bugs?
05:30<twb>daunt: what bug number?
05:30<daunt>i don't know honestly, i completely new to linux in general
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05:31<daunt>building the computer and installing linux for the first time was less troublesome than trying to get my cursor larger
05:31<SynrGy>daunt: which debian release are you using?
05:31<daunt>jessie 8.1
05:31<twb>OK I don't have a mouse, so I don't know what this problem is
05:31<SynrGy>daunt: describe the bug
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05:31<twb>ple- what he said :-)
05:32<SynrGy>i mean, what did you try, what did you expect to happen, and what happened instead?
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05:33<markybob>touchpad/stick/usb ?
05:33<daunt>update-alternatives, with xorg package, and xcursor themes from x11, attempting to have DMZ-Black theme(with the goal of getting the mouse larger) i cannot find anything for it to work globally, for example, if i open up my browser, it will be the theme i changed it to, but the moment my cursor goes over a window name or on the desktop at all it goes back to the tiny little default cursor
05:34<daunt>i've tried multiple themes, i've tried youtube directions, i've tried reinstalling the whole operating system, i've tried multiple desktop themes
05:34<markybob>daunt, i don't suppose you use xfce?
05:35<daunt>that was my favorite one, but since the last reinstall of the whole operating system i didn't download any desktop environments, but it looks like gnome currently
05:35<markybob>daunt, can't help you, then. haven't used gnome in years
05:35<markybob>sorry
05:36<SynrGy>is it only the browser that makes the cursor change?
05:36<daunt>look, i'll go to whatever desktop environment you want me to, i just want my mouse bigger than 1/10th a penny
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05:37<daunt>no it's random programs/applications, it's never solid, the only constant that i can say for sure will be anytime i use the panelbar or desktop it will always be the tiny default cursor
05:37<daunt>USB mouse
05:37<markybob>daunt, xfce is pretty simple. click on the mouse (menu), go to settings, click on mouse and touchpad, click on themes
05:37<SynrGy>using non-free nvidia driver?
05:38<daunt>indoing that back when i was using xfce, it was doing what i've described
05:38<SynrGy>i vaguely recall some cursor-specific settings for non-free drivers
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05:39<twb>Ah "goes back to the original cursor" I have seen before, it was because they were using old-style toolkits or something (e.g. xpdf, xterm, non-GTK emacs)
05:39<twb>I never bothered to investigate
05:39<twb>But you said this happens in the XFCE panel, which is GTK2, so that is different to what I see
05:39<SynrGy>unlikely that's the case for the web browser, don't you think?
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05:40<twb>SynrGy: suggest get him to change the default cursor using update-alternatives instead of / as well as the per-user way
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05:40<twb>good luck; I'm home time
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05:40<daunt>i tried update-alternatives, on multiple desktop environments
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05:43<daunt>i'm using nonfree raedon driver
05:44<SynrGy>i have little to no experience with that. couldn't say
05:45<daunt>but you think it's the nonfree graphics driver?
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05:45<SynrGy>i wouldn't trust my memory on that.
05:45<daunt>xD
05:45<daunt>thank you for the feedback at least everyone
05:45<daunt>what operating system and themes are the rest of you using?
05:46<daunt>so i can give those a try
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05:47<SynrGy>i had used for some time gnome on wheezy, and later jessie, using default cursor theme and increased cursor size so that I could see it from the couch. seemed to work fine.
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05:47<SynrGy>but that's now no longer the way i do things, so i couldn't say about current behaviour.
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05:47<SynrGy>i was using non-free nvidia drivers. I didn't have to change any settings on it, though, iirc
05:48<daunt>is there a way to increase size without changing theme? "mouse and touchpad" settings have no options for size and forums always said to change the theme for those looking for larger size
05:48<musca>daunt: you can list your available cursor themes with: update-alternatives --display x-cursor-theme
05:49<SynrGy>check at http://bugs.debian.org/dmz-cursor-theme and see if anyone describes your issue.
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05:49<SynrGy>hmm. that's a very short list of bugs, and all extremely old bugs :(
05:49<markybob>daunt, the menu i pointed you to clearly has a "size" field.
05:50<daunt>http://paste.debian.net/304415/
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05:51<daunt>the menu you pointed me to in xfce DID have one, however it was again the issue with it not being global
05:51<daunt>it would only change the size when it was failing to have a global mouse theme
05:52<daunt>any time it was deciding to show the default mouse theme, the size factor would no longer be applied to the mouse
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05:53<daunt>in gnome however, it is not there in mouse and touchpad settings
05:54<musca> cursor themes can provide different sized sets of cursor images.
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05:56<SynrGy>the reason i mentioned non-free drivers is a graphics driver may implement "hardware cursors". whether or not that may be a possible source of the bug you're experimencing, i don't know
05:56<SynrGy>if you can try using the free radeon driver, though, that's one possibility
05:56<SynrGy>you'll need the non-free firmware for it if you do
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05:58<SynrGy>that it only happens with certain applications is a bit suspicious and makes me think it's less likely to be a graphics driver issue, though.
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05:58<SynrGy>experiencing*
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06:39<Vollstrecker>Hey guys, I got a little problem with pinning. Because of the bug in amarok I need the version from unstable for my testing as it's reported to work. So I added unstable and pinning, and apt-cache policy told me what I wanted. Then I tried "apt install amarok/unstable", and it told me: Selected version '2.8.0-3+b1' (Debian:unstable [amd64]) for 'amarok-utils' because of 'amarok' and later it said: amarok :
06:39<Vollstrecker>Depends: amarok-utils (= 2.8.0-3+b1) but 2.8.0-2.1+b2 is to be installed
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06:40<Vollstrecker>I tried apt -t unstable install amarok, too. It came to the same result, without telling me what it is selecting before.
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06:42<Vollstrecker>http://paste.debian.net/304436/
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06:45<Vollstrecker>Yes, it's telling me about held broken packages, but dpkg --audit gives noting.
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06:46<Infiltrator>,v amarok
06:47<judd>Package: amarok on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.3.1-1; squeeze-backports: 2.4.1-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2.6~beta1+75.g47e75df-1; wheezy-backports: 2.6.0-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.8.0-2.1+b1; stretch: 2.8.0-2.1+b2; sid: 2.8.0-3+b1
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06:48<Infiltrator>Vollstrecker: You probably just need to install the later version of amarok-utils too.
06:48<Infiltrator>,v amarok-utils
06:48<judd>Package: amarok-utils on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.3.1-1; squeeze-backports: 2.4.1-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2.6~beta1+75.g47e75df-1; wheezy-backports: 2.6.0-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.8.0-2.1+b1; stretch: 2.8.0-2.1+b2; sid: 2.8.0-3+b1
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06:49<Infiltrator>Vollstrecker: Also, do you actually need 2.8.0-3? Maybe the backport one would work for you. (It would be a lot easier to install.)
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06:51<blast007>they're on testing
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06:57<Vollstrecker>blast007: 2.8.0-2.1+b2 is on testing.
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06:58<Vollstrecker>Infiltrator: Installing amarok-utils results in the next dep. and so on, and so on.
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07:00<Infiltrator>Vollstrecker: Have you tried `apt-get -t unstable install amarok`?
07:00<Infiltrator>Vollstrecker: Also, I assume that you have done an `apt* update` after adding unstable?
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07:01<Infiltrator>Vollstrecker: Also, you know that mixing versions is a bad idea and not supported, right?
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07:22<blast007>Infiltrator: They are not running stable, they are running testing. I believe the mixing issue is a bit different there. https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable#Can_I_use_sid_packages_on_testing.3F
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07:26<FLD>why are so many apparmor profiles in complain mode by default on jessie?
07:26<FLD>my dmesg fills up with thousands of apparmor allowed operations
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07:32<Infiltrator>I'm probably just searching for the wrong thing, but I can't find out how to remove application launchers from gnome3 (when you press super and select all). I have a bunch of wine things in there which I want to remove.
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07:37<Infiltrator>Remove the .desktop files from ~/.local/share/applications. Cool.
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08:25<szmicio>hello
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08:27<szmicio>I ve just migrated my mysql for debian. I try to go with lower case table sensitive mysql --lower_case_tables_sensitive=2 start and does not work
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08:32<somiaj>szmicio: what does not work? What error do you get?
08:32<somiaj>szmicio: mysql cli tool (which you are trying to run) doesn't seem to have such an option in my man page I'm checking
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08:39<devadmin>umm
08:39<devadmin>I have a small problem
08:39<devadmin>for some reason, inexplicably, my terminal fonts, are now sudanese
08:39<devadmin>I did not do this
08:40<devadmin>it changed on its own while I was working on a project in the terminal
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08:40<devadmin>it should be english
08:40<devadmin>any ideas how to get it back??
08:40<devadmin>how to set terminal back to english?
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08:44<szmicio>somiaj: sorry this is a mysql variable --lower-case-table-names that i set for 2. When i start mysql demon with this it shall ignore table case sensitive names. but still does not work
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08:54<somiaj>szmicio: you probably need to set that in the mysql conf file in /etc as opposed to from the command line
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09:06<Vollstrecker>Infiltrator: Sorry, had to go suprisingly. Yes, I know that mixing is not supported, I think that's the reason why you always get testing/unstable setups when searching for pinning. But I would expect, that resolveable deps are resolved.
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09:13<Vollstrecker>Intressting, installing libmysqld-pic from unstable works.
09:17<mtj>hey #debian folks, has anyone hit a problem with a squeeze-lts to wheezy upgrade - where perl wont upgrade from 5.10 to 5.14?
09:17<mtj>http://pastebin.com/qGkrk5qS
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09:18<mtj>i've basically hit this exact error -> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/12/msg00106.html
09:19<mtj>..but so far, cant resolve the problem
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09:34<mtj>woot, '# apt-get -f install' finally sorted the error :)
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09:37<root>hello any one here
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09:37<vehpi>yea
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09:49<daunt>http://www.filedropper.com/ i'm a newb to linux, anyone know what pack i need to install to see the file upload box? i have java and i have a shock player for youtube, what else could it be?
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09:52<markybob>daunt, flashplugin-nonfree should do it
09:53<daunt>thank you =)
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09:54<daunt>"There is still a process running in this terminal. Closing the terminal will kill it." when closing a command prompt, can i ignore this 100% of the time?
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09:56<at0m|c>daunt: depends on what you're killing.
09:57<daunt>i assume i'm killing apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree, but it said it was done?
09:57<at0m|c>a passive monitor or your irc client? consider for yourself
09:58-!-mode/#debian [+l 722] by debhelper
09:58<at0m|c>make it exit clean before closing it
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09:58<at0m|c>or at best you'll find yourself apt-get -f install'ing soon. at worst, flashplugin-nonfree will be broken.
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09:59<daunt>i don't understand @.@
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09:59<devadmin>derp
09:59<at0m|c>the process doesn't exit clean and bring you back to the prompt?
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10:02<daunt>http://paste.debian.net/304487/ ?=)
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10:03<alumno13>hiji
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10:04<at0m|c>daunt: "no installation candidate"?
10:04<at0m|c>,v flashplugin-nonfree
10:04<judd>Package: flashplugin-nonfree on amd64 -- wheezy/contrib: 1:3.2+wheezy1; jessie/contrib: 1:3.6.1; sid/contrib: 1:3.6.1+b1; stretch/contrib: 1:3.6.1+b1
10:05<daunt>so i need to download a package online and THEN run the command? =)
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10:05<at0m|c>daunt: maybe your sources.list isn't set up correctly, or you need and apt-get update first
10:06<at0m|c>!sources
10:06<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list".
10:06<at0m|c>you'll need that other apt-get to finish first though
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10:07<at0m|c>daunt: apt-get will download it for you, one "apt-get update" retrieved repo package lists
10:07<daunt>http://paste.debian.net/304490/
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10:09<at0m|c>daunt: does your sources.list have non-free? have lines end in "main contrib non-free"
10:09<at0m|c>if not, add it and apt-get update and install again
10:09<daunt>where can i find my source list? =)
10:10<at0m|c>in /etc/apt/sources.list
10:10<DoctorD90>may anyone help me to understand what's going wrong? http://s29.postimg.org/uqopu90zb/linux.png
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10:11<daunt>at0m|c: it does not have the words "non-free" inside of source.list, do i have to type anything in a special way?
10:12<at0m|c>daunt: have lines end in "main contrib non-free". now they're probably ending in "main contrib". adding non-free will let you install non-free packages from the repo. like flashplugin-nonfree.
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10:13<daunt>to verify my understanding, i need to now add "contrib non-free" after the word "main" for each and every link inside of source.list?
10:14<at0m|c>daunt: yes
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10:14<markybob>daunt, yes. then apt-get update && apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree. then restart your browser
10:14<mtn>DoctorD90, is this is a crash in virtualbox install?
10:14<daunt>will do sir, thank you =)
10:15<DoctorD90>mtn: i boot a self made linux live, and it crash so. As in virtualbox as dd-ed on usb and booted...always the same
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10:16<mtn>DoctorD90, I am not clear on what you are saying. how did you make the disk? from a vbox install?
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10:17<DoctorD90>mtn: http://pastebin.com/vaXVWy53 ....debootstrapped, chroot, installed linux-image-586, and created iso.....boom! kernel panic at boot :(
10:17<daunt>at0m|c: failed to save document permission denied, how to i give myself root permissions while in file manager?
10:17<markybob>daunt, you don't. sudo nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list
10:18<at0m|c>daunt: don't use file manager. on that command line, as root, nano like ^
10:18<mtn>DoctorD90, ok. sorry, I have no experience with what you are doing.
10:18<at0m|c>daunt: type in the non-free, then Ctrl-X
10:18<DoctorD90>thx mtn btw :)
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10:19<markybob>daunt, and pastebin your sources.list after you're done editing so we can take a look
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10:24<daunt>http://paste.debian.net/304499/
10:24<daunt>http://paste.debian.net/304501/
10:25<at0m|c>daunt: apt-get update && apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree :)
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10:25<daunt>thank you very very very much
10:25<at0m|c>any time
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10:25<daunt>filedropper works!
10:25<markybob>yay
10:25<daunt>:D
10:25<at0m|c>daunt: flash is evil
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10:26<daunt>okay @.@
10:26<at0m|c>daunt: so disable it in your browser when you don't really need it
10:26<at0m|c>(i think firefox defaults to that)
10:26<daunt>i'll check out my settings to do that, thank you
10:27<daunt>off to my date! because computers were more important ^.^
10:27<daunt>bye
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11:07<lord_rob>Don't you fear running out of toy story characters for the Debian releases? :)
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11:17<zhanshan>hi
11:17<zhanshan>how can I repair my broken virtual machine?
11:17<zhanshan>linux without virtual machine doesn't make sense at all!
11:18<zhanshan>is this a general bug of debian 8?
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11:19<mtn>zhanshan, explain your problem. which vm for starters. what problem with it?
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11:21<ZIPY>hi, how can i activate S.M.A.R.T for my HDDs, i just found out it was turned off all the time
11:22<markybob>ZIPY, probably hit F2 on boot
11:22<ZIPY>so it is in bios settings?
11:22<zhanshan>mtn: I hit STRG+ALT+F1 (or F2.. F12 except for F7 of course which is the gui mode)
11:22<ZIPY>what about smartctrl
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11:23<zhanshan>mtn: a black window turns up as usual, but without login, instead there's written on any of them: "Loading, please wait..."
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11:24<mtn>zhanshan, as I already asked: which virutal machine are you talking about?
11:24<zhanshan>mtn: then there's a hint of another line, which is unreadable because only 1 of 10 parts of each letter is readable, because the rest is cut (you can see tops of letters only)
11:25<ZIPY>does rsync support creating mountable iso/img files?
11:25<zhanshan>mtn: isn't it called a virtual machine if you try to access a bash?
11:25<zhanshan>mtn: maybe I got wrong what is a virtual machine
11:25<tonyyarusso>Virtual *terminal* perhaps?
11:25<zhanshan>mtn: I just want to be able to access a command line if XFCE of debian has freezed.
11:26<zhanshan>what is the name of these terminals you access by hitting ctrl+alt+F1 to G12 except F7
11:27<zhanshan>sorry for leading into a wrong direction by using a completely false term!
11:27<zhanshan>F12 I mean sorry
11:27<SynrG>!vt
11:27<dpkg>[vt] Virtual Terminal, like the console; change VTs using Alt+Left/Right or Alt+F1, Alt+F2 etc. To get from X to a VT, use Ctrl+Alt+F1 (and Alt+F7 to get back, most likely). You can also use "chvt" to switch VT. VT is also used to mean Intel VT-x or VT-d (virtualization support; the AMD counterpart is called AMD-V or Pacifica), ask me about <xve>.
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11:28<duclicsic>a good bet is to ssh to it, if it still has network. I've done this from my phone a few times to recover an apparently frozen machine.
11:28<SynrG>zhanshan: what debian release are you using?
11:29<zhanshan>SynrG: Debian GNU/Linux 8 \n \l
11:29<zhanshan>Debian GNU/Linux 8.1 (jessie)
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11:30<zhanshan>3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u3 (2015-08-04)
11:30<SynrG>zhanshan: new install? or upgraded from a prior release?
11:30<zhanshan>new install was 8.0
11:31<ZIPY>can rsync backup to an mountable image?
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11:31<zhanshan>but I could never access a virtual terminal with my debian version
11:31<SynrG>zhanshan: how did you install it? ctrl-alt-f1, etc. should just work
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11:34<zhanshan>SynrG: I installed it ... I don't remember
11:34<SynrG>just the normal way, with netinst or so?
11:34<zhanshan>Did I burn a DVD? or...
11:34<zhanshan>netinst I guess yeah
11:34<zhanshan>normal yes
11:34<SynrG>and ctrl-alt-f1 never worked for you?
11:34<zhanshan>exactly!
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11:35<zhanshan>I guess this is a severe damage/problem huh?
11:35<SynrG>unsure. insufficient info about your problem
11:35<SynrG>you say there is just a black screen with "Loading, please wait...". i don't know what that comes from
11:36<SynrG>sounds like the system may not have fully booted and is waiting for something to finish that never will
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11:36<SynrG>what's in your /etc/fstab? please use paste.debian.net
11:36<SynrG>are you using systemd? (the default init system)
11:36<SynrG>if you don't know, the answer is "yes"
11:37<SynrG>afk for a while. working. hopefully others here can help
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11:39<zhanshan>yes
11:41<zhanshan>SynrG: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/63069175/
11:41<zhanshan>is there another help channel that I could try for this?
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11:42<maazu>zhanshan: try forums.debian.net
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11:45<SynrG>zhanshan: checking your paste. sec
11:46<SynrG>it's possible with all that stuff in there that some of those entries are wrong ...
11:46<SynrG>zhanshan: please let's see also a paste of the output of 'mount'
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11:47<SynrG>zhanshan: i advise you wait and be patient. someone here ought to be able to help with this.
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11:48<SynrG>eventually we will get to the bottom of it, but need to collect enough information about the problem to know what we're looking at.
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11:48<zhanshan>SynrG: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/c2050718/
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11:48<squeek>Blender won't render under Nouveau!
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11:50<SynrG>zhanshan: does 'dmesg' contain any errors relating to any of these filesystems?
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11:51<zhanshan>SynrG: no idea about that: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/3164dc2b/
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11:52<SynrG>swapon --show
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11:58<zhanshan>SynrG: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/2fd87e16/
11:59<SynrG>everything looks in order so far.
12:00<SynrG>systemctl
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12:03<zhanshan>SynrG: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/2679eade/
12:03<SynrG>could be https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#missing-virtual-consoles
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12:04<SynrG>though i see you're using lightdm ...
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12:04<zhanshan>SynrG: it's probable nvidia
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12:05<zhanshan>I got a nvidia 970
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12:06<SynrG>graphics card not particularly relevant, i don't think
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12:06<SynrG>do you have plymouth installed?
12:06<zhanshan>no
12:07<zhanshan>what is it?
12:07<SynrG>boot splash
12:07<zhanshan>I dunno
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12:07<SynrG>apt-cache policy plymouth
12:08<zhanshan>now I installed it
12:08<zhanshan>is that good or bad
12:08<SynrG>neither good nor bad. the release note above said that missing VCs might be related to plymouth
12:08<SynrG>since you didn't have it before, then that is probably not your problem.
12:08<zhanshan>SynrG: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/2d9ecee7/
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12:09<zhanshan>it says a lot of firmware is missing
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12:11<SynrG>probably not relevant to this issue, but you can add non-free to your sources.list, apt update && apt install firwmare-realtek
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12:12<SynrG>why did you use 'su -c', as in su -c 'apt-get install plymouth'?
12:12<SynrG>this is a bad habit
12:12<SynrG>this later caused you problems here:
12:12<SynrG>dpkg-preconfigure: unable to re-open stdin: No such file or directory
12:13<SynrG>read the 'su' man page:
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12:13<SynrG>"The executed command will have no controlling terminal. This option cannot be used to execute interractive programs which need a controlling TTY.
12:13<SynrG>"
12:13<SynrG>apt-get requires a controlling tty
12:13<zhanshan>SynrG: I didn't managt to get sudo running
12:14<zhanshan>in linux mint I had sudo by default
12:14<SynrG>!sudo
12:14<dpkg>[sudo] (Substitute User DO) Not enabled by default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me about <visudo>, <sudoers>. sudo can give limited super user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root permissions, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program". See also <sudo path>. http://wiki.debian.org/sudo http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html
12:14<SynrG>follow this ^^
12:14<blast007>in Debian you have sudo working by default if you don't specify a root password during install (which it mentions in the installer)
12:14<SynrG>yep
12:15<zhanshan>ah ok
12:15<SynrG>zhanshan: since you've been "doing it wrong" all along, i don't know what other strange things you've done to your system as a result :(
12:15<zhanshan>but that's what I did
12:15<SynrG>basically, everywhere apt requires interaction with you, you've been preventing it
12:15<zhanshan>so now I get problems because sudo asks for a pwd but I don't know the right one/didn't specify it so fa
12:15<zhanshan>far
12:15<blast007>sudo uses your user password
12:15<zhanshan>SynrG: I can imagine now!
12:16<zhanshan>user is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
12:16<SynrG>then become root and edit sudoers with visudo
12:16<zhanshan>if I hit user pwd I get the bad answer
12:16<SynrG>right, because you haven't configured it yet
12:16<SynrG>!visudo
12:16<dpkg>from memory, visudo is how you add users to your /etc/sudoers file. 'man visudo' for details, and also ask me about <sudoers>, or respects $EDITOR while doing sanity checking (prevents *some* critical commits of broken sudoers).
12:16<SynrG>bah, that's not much help
12:16<sney>or add your user to the sudo group, usermod -aG sudo yourusername
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12:17<SynrG>yes. that's probably simplest
12:17<zhanshan>Please consider adding local content in /etc/sudoers.d/ instead of # directly modifying this file.
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12:17<SynrG>zhanshan: you can quit out of that and do what sney suggests
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12:18<zhanshan>sney: in root mode?
12:18<zhanshan>it didn't work
12:18<zhanshan>still the same error
12:18<zhanshan># usermod -aG sudo user
12:18<zhanshan>doesn't give any reply
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12:18<zhanshan>but in the end nothing seems to have been changed
12:19<sney>you have to close your shell and open it again
12:19<SynrG>and 'user' is not literally the string 'user', but your own username.
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12:19<zhanshan>so I don't really know what I changed by hitting '# usermod -aG sudo myusername'
12:19<zhanshan>...in root mode now
12:19<zhanshan>I hope nothing bad
12:19<SynrG>right
12:19<zhanshan>SynrG: right I used 'zhanshan'
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12:19<sney>you added your user to the sudo group, but you need to spawn a new shell in order for it to take effect
12:20<sney>or you can type 'newgrp sudo'
12:20<SynrG>exactly. what sney said
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12:20<zhanshan>wow
12:20<zhanshan>it works now!!!!
12:20<zhanshan>thanks guys!
12:21<zhanshan>I don't understand all these steps until now, but it worked
12:21<zhanshan>I still got this virtual terminal problem which is far more severe
12:21<zhanshan>but yes, this one, having sudo working finally gives me a good feeling!
12:21<SynrG>after a fresh boot, let's see the output of 'journalctl -xn'
12:22<SynrG>i would like to see if there's anything strange near the end of the boot
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12:23<zhanshan>I installed debian very quickly and for the first time after using linux mint (also xfce) before, just in the time I was working on my degree video that's why I couldn't manage to install everything properly (which is kinda stupid because I installed it to have a newer system working properly to edit the video)
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12:24<squeek>How can I get Blender to render?
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12:24<squeek>I use the Nouveau driver and under it Blender does not render properly.
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12:27<zhanshan>ok see you in a minute SynrG
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12:28<SynrG>i dunno. but if you try solving this while driving, then what you have is a ...
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12:28<SynrG>blender render fender bender. sorry, sorry.
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12:30<zhanshan>SynrG: $ journalctl -xn / No journal files were found.
12:30<SynrG>as root
12:30<zhanshan>and still the same problem
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12:30<SynrG>um?
12:30<SynrG>"the same problem"?
12:30<squeek>Does Debian have the sofwareGL shell script for Blender?
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12:31<squeek>Blender with softwareGL is the only version which works with Nouveau.
12:31<zhanshan>If I try to change to virtual terminal I get this black window saying 'Loading, please wait...' and a second cut line that's unable to read because there's too much of it cut
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12:32<SynrG>zhanshan: what i asked for is "journalctl -xn" as root. you haven't given it to me
12:33<SynrG>we don't expect the original behaviour to have changed, as we've done nothing to fix it yet. so telling me it's still broken is ... not telling us anything new.
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12:33<squeek>BTW I use Debian Jessie and the problem with Blender is present since Wheezy
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12:35<zhanshan>SynrG: oh sorry I got it wrong. is sudo alright as well? https://paste.debian.net/hidden/3b4adc62/
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12:36<zhanshan>SynrG: right.
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12:36<SynrG>zhanshan: yes, only that doesn't show enough context. so maybe the complete output of "journalctl -x"
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12:38<zhanshan> Length of code is not allowed to exceed 150kB
12:39<zhanshan>SynrG: http://pastebin.com/qsU2HndM
12:41<zhanshan>I just got another hint by someone: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=755537
12:41<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/755537 in plymouth (closed): «boot hangs at "Loading, please wait..."»; severity: serious; opened: 2014-07-21; last modified: 2014-09-07.
12:41<zhanshan>Title: #755537 - boot hangs at "Loading, please wait..." - Debian Bug report logs (at bugs.debian.org)
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12:41<zhanshan>oh sorry
12:42<SynrG>another? i already brought that issue up a long time ago :)
12:42<zhanshan>oh sorry!
12:42<zhanshan>since I don't use plymouth it doesn't make sense, uh?
12:43*zhanshan is confused
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12:43<zhanshan>still trying to figure it out
12:47<SynrG>i'm curious to know why you're using nvidia 346.72 which is not present in Debian
12:47<SynrG>,v nvidia-driver
12:47<judd>Package: nvidia-driver on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.65-2~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.65-2; jessie-backports/non-free: 340.76-5~bpo8+1; sid/non-free: 340.76-5; stretch/non-free: 340.76-5; experimental/non-free: 352.30-1
12:47<SynrG>not even sid has one that recent.
12:47<squeek>I have Nouveau
12:48<SynrG>really?
12:48<SynrG>Aug 24 18:28:21 zhanshan kernel: NVRM: loading NVIDIA UNIX x86_64 Kernel Module 346.72 Tue May 5 22:03:13 PDT 2015
12:48<SynrG>and nouveau complains quite a bit
12:49<SynrG>you have a few lines of failures relating to nouveau
12:49<SynrG>this could be why you're not seeing any virtual terminals
12:49<zhanshan>I didn't even know I have nouveau
12:49<SynrG>oops. sorry. got squeek confused with you
12:49<zhanshan>nouveau always sounded like problems I think
12:50<SynrG>yep. but still ...
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12:50<zhanshan>:P
12:50<SynrG>why do you have 346.72?
12:50<zhanshan>me?
12:50<SynrG>yes. that's not provided by Debian
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12:51<SynrG>if you're using unsupported stuff, it could explain why it's breaking.
12:51<zhanshan>I guess I followed some guide to install it after I bought that nvidia graphics adapter and getting problems with the drivers that came with debian
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12:51<SynrG>it might have helped to disclose this in the beginning. :(
12:51<SynrG>in that case, you want to ask #nvidia @ irc.freenode.net about this
12:51<SynrG>we don't support that version
12:53<thy_pope>sooo, SynrG ?
12:54<zhanshan>I'm sorry about that
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12:55<zhanshan>is there a supported driver running with the nvidia gtx 970
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12:56<SynrG>only in experimental, it seems
12:56<SynrG>thy_pope: soo, thy_pope?
12:56<thy_pope>I have a cascade of questions, so if I may :)
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12:56<zhanshan>so it was absolutely stupid to by that stupid graphic adapter
12:57<zhanshan>blender can't even make use of it if only using the VSE as I do
12:57<thy_pope>trying to set up a cluster, initially just two identical computers linked by a good gigabit Intel card
12:57<SynrG>thy_pope: don't ask me. ask the channel. there are plenty of helpers here, and they're used to reading overlapping help sessions
12:57<zhanshan>:(
12:57<SynrG>zhanshan: sorry to hear. it's possible the version in experimental could be backported ...
12:57<SynrG>!ssb
12:57<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
12:58<thy_pope>was wondering if I can set up a cluster and then use the resulting SMP system image as dom0 for Xen :D
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12:59<SynrG>zhanshan: only thing with those backporting instructions above is that the deb-src line would be for experimental, not sid.
13:00<SynrG>zhanshan: and then there are the usual dire warnings i'm supposed to give you about using stuff from experimental.
13:00<zhanshan>but I would first deinstall the nvidia-driver right?
13:00<SynrG>well, that may not be so easy, given that i don't even know if upstream's installer removes all its crap when you uninstall
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13:01<zhanshan>I got a crappy debian because of nvidia now
13:01<zhanshan>that sucks
13:02<SynrG>maybe someone who has done this before can guide you through the process.
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13:02<SynrG>!remove nvidia
13:02<dpkg>methinks remove nvidia-installer is as root type "/usr/bin/nvidia-installer --uninstall". Debian's nvidia-installer-cleanup package can also assist, ask me about <contrib>.
13:02<SynrG>^^ might be of some help
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13:03<blast007>also, if this is a fairly recent install, might be worth just reinstalling the system from scratch
13:04<SynrG>thy_pope: that's beyond my knowledge, sorry. maybe someone more familiar with clustering & xen can help
13:04<thy_pope>ah, thanks anyway :)
13:04<zhanshan>SynrG: problems like this one I guess: https://askubuntu.com/questions/628494/how-to-reset-ubuntu-to-default-display-settings-after-failed-nvidia-driver-insta
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13:06<zhanshan>Debian GNU/Linux 8.0.0 _Jessie_ - Official amd64 NETINST Binary-1 20150425-12:50
13:06<zhanshan>so five months ago
13:06<zhanshan>it's not so recent
13:06<zhanshan>four
13:06<zhanshan>haha
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13:07<SynrG>zhanshan: yes, something like that, only i would be cautious about instructions for other distros, as things may not be 100% the same
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13:08<blast007>zhanshan: I don't mean when the release you're using came out, I mean when you installed it
13:08<SynrG>however, assuming you do successfully remove it, you'll still be stuck with getting a working replacement installed.
13:08<SynrG>blast007: i think what he's saying is he did install it then and later upgraded ...
13:08<SynrG>so that's 5 months of work
13:08<SynrG>earlier he mentioned he had installed 8.0 and upgraded to 8.1
13:09<blast007>why would a netinst ISO be used to upgrade?
13:09<SynrG>it wouldn't be
13:10<SynrG>i think what he's pointing out is the date on the line left in his sources.list (commented out now, i hope) is evidence of the age of the system. that's all
13:10<zhanshan>yeah
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13:10<zhanshan>that's it
13:10<blast007>oh right, it said 8.0
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13:10<zhanshan>getting a working replacement
13:10<zhanshan>backporting I'm not familiar with it
13:11<SynrG>yeah. *neither* nouveau *nor* nvidia non-free drivers in jessie work for this chipset ...
13:11<zhanshan>another completely new terrain
13:11<zhanshan>just trash it then?
13:11<SynrG>right. well ... it will be an education :)
13:11<SynrG>trash what?
13:11<SynrG>eventually it will be supported
13:11<zhanshan>and use my glorious intel graphics chipset again..
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13:11<SynrG>yes, you can do that temporarily
13:11<zhanshan>trash the gtx 970
13:11<SynrG>how urgent is it that you get that card working?
13:12<SynrG>if you don't want to do the work of making a backport work, i think you just need to wait until an upgraded driver enters stretch ...
13:12<zhanshan>not at all urgent since I use blender's VSE to edit video and this program can't make any use of the nvidia gtx 970 I learnt after I bought it
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13:12<SynrG>then shortly after that, they will probably backport this to jessie
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13:12<zhanshan>so I could just resell it or something...
13:12<SynrG>or hold onto it until a jessie backport becomes available
13:13<SynrG>or do the work to do the backport yourself.
13:13<zhanshan>yes or so+
13:13<SynrG>it's not like it's never going to be supported. throughout each stable release there's a constant stream of new upstream versions from nvidia ...
13:13<SynrG>and these tend to get backported periodically into stable
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13:15<zhanshan>thanks for now! I gotta think about it and will later try to uninstall the nvidia driver and then see..
13:15<zhanshan>see you later!
13:15<SynrG>np. good luck!
13:15<SynrG>later
13:16<SynrG>zhanshan: one more suggestion ... it looks like you may not have blacklisted the nouveau kernel module ...
13:17<SynrG>zhanshan: by blacklisting it, you *might* be able to get those nouveau complaints out of your boot log
13:17<SynrG>and that might sort out the missing virtual terminal issue.
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13:17<SynrG>just a guess. but as i said, you really want to talk to #nvidia @ irc.freenode.net for any help with upstream's driver
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13:18<SynrG>(i mean, blacklist nouveau and *keep* upstream's nvidia driver)
13:18<zhanshan>yeah I think I did something like that..
13:19<zhanshan>can I check this fadt somehow?
13:19<zhanshan>fast
13:20<SynrG>look in /etc/modutils.d/
13:20<SynrG>is there any file containing a line like "blacklist nouveau"?
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13:21<abferm>I have been having a hard time getting on the debian-backports mailing list. Is there any other way I can request a package be backported?
13:21<SynrG>errr ...
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13:21<SynrG>i think /etc/modprobe.d/ sorry
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13:22<SynrG>(some filepaths are *seared* into my neural pathways through constant use, even though they're now at least 10 years out of date :)
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13:23<zhanshan>SynrG: that folder doesn't even exist
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13:23<zhanshan>ok
13:23<zhanshan>wait
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13:24<zhanshan>fbdev-blacklist.conf and blacklist.conf and modesetting.conf
13:25<SynrG>zhanshan: the question is, is any of those exactly "blacklist nouveau"?
13:25<zhanshan>so no nouveau blacklisting
13:25<zhanshan>no!
13:25<SynrG>so create a new file to blacklist as per:
13:25<SynrG>!blacklist
13:25<dpkg>To blacklist a Linux kernel module, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting
13:25<zhanshan>so thanks again!
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13:26<zhanshan>I really gotta go, my girlfriend is throwing vases at me already, she's really hungry!
13:26<SynrG>then reboot and see if this helps with the "no virtual terminal" problem, or at least makes those nouveau errors disappear from your 'journalctl' output
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13:26<SynrG>haha. ok
13:26<zhanshan>l8er!
13:26<SynrG>feed the girlfriend!
13:26<SynrG>later
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13:46<agana>hi
13:48<retrospectacus>hi
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14:36<nishikino-maki>...where's more software package?!
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14:37<retrospectacus>like what?
14:37<anonymous>zola
14:38<anonymous>zola
14:38<retrospectacus>no zola
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14:40<nishikino-maki>like gambas(3.8 not 3.5)\wine-staging(because there's no have like fedora: wine-pulseaudio)
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14:44<nishikino-maki>and ... firefox
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14:50<retrospectacus>!firefox
14:50<dpkg>Mozilla Firefox is replaced by Iceweasel in Debian, ask me about <iceweasel> and <why iceweasel>. For actual Mozilla Firefox® support, try #firefox on irc.freenode.net. For the latest and greatest versions of Iceweasel, ask me about <mozilla.debian.net>.
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14:53<retrospectacus>nishikino-maki: never heard of "gambas". AFAIK wine works with Pulse... if you want better assistance you'll need to be more specific with your problem
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14:56<nishikino-maki>i need "wine-pulse" because if no have this wine sound driver is "winealsa.drv"(that mean is if i using mp3playr like audacious then will be make wine sound Become noise)
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14:57<daunt>hi, i'm new to linux, i'm attempting to printscreen and paste the image into a paint program so i can save the image, selecting paste inside of the various paint programs are having to success for me
14:57<retrospectacus>I've no idea, I don't use wine. Did you try it?
14:57<daunt>*no success for me
14:58<retrospectacus>daunt: the printscr button copying the screen is a desktop-environment function.
14:58<retrospectacus>daunt: I use the scrot program, but I thinnk gnome and kde have screenshot capability, possibly through the prtscr key...
14:59<retrospectacus>!printscreen
14:59<dpkg>To take a screenshot of your current desktop, you can probably just hit the "PrintScreen" key on your keyboard (Gnome and KDE). Alternatives include ksnapshot, gnome-panel-screenshot, the Gimp's "Acquire->Screenshot", "import -window root screenshot.jpg" (imagemagick package), scrot, xwd. For framebuffer consoles, use fbcat. http://wiki.debian.org/ScreenShots http://screenshots.debian.net/
14:59<nishikino-maki>and if no have wine-pulse there's another choose "using wine-staging" it's default using "winepulse.drv"
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15:00<retrospectacus>nishikino-maki: if you really think you need wine to listen to music, maybe you should just stick with Windows
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15:01<r6ku>wine for music? that's a first >_>
15:01<nishikino-maki>no... because the game... Counter-strike do you know?
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15:02<nishikino-maki>if i using "winealsa.drv" that mean is i can't run any mp3player when wine running
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15:03<r6ku>I'm pretty sure wine supports pulseaudio, did you check your wine configuration for which sound backend is used?
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15:07<retrospectacus>nishikino-maki: you can set your alsa to output to pulse by editing the asound.conf file: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=12497&start=45
15:08<retrospectacus>if you are having trouble with shitty programs "stealing" the sound with alsa
15:08<r6ku>wow, there really is no pulseaudio driver for wine
15:09<retrospectacus>common examples skype, flash player, wine
15:09*MrWood checks his nick
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15:13<r6ku>nishikino-maki: there are ports of cs 1.6, source and GO in the linux version of steam
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15:16<retrospectacus>yes you can easily install steam on debian, no need for wine
15:16<retrospectacus>!steam
15:16<dpkg>Steam is a proprietary content delivery and management application for PC software with Linux support. Packaged in <testing> (non-free); amd64 users are required to enable <multiarch> and install the steam:i386 package. For help with upstream issues, ask #steamlug on irc.freenode.net. http://wiki.debian.org/Steam
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15:17<retrospectacus>that needs to be updated; it is available in stable too now.
15:18<nishikino-maki>some game need "Ture-winenv"(virtualbox mean because some goddamn galgame using idk like "Very strange of dynamic link library")
15:19<r6ku>steamos is based on debian stable so it better work, come to think of it steam machines will be released at the end of the year, wonder what will happen
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15:24<nishikino-maki>thanks everyone but i installed the wine-staging(just follow this:https://github.com/wine-compholio/wine-staging/wiki/Installation#-debian-jessiestretchsid)
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15:37<nishikino-maki>debian default not write <username> in "sudoers" it's for safety?
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15:44<devil_>nishikino-maki: you are supposed to understand what you are doing
15:45<devil_>nishikino-maki: debian has a real root btw, sudo is not really needed
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16:20-!-Yst is "<https://y.st/>" on #esperanto #freedombox #debian-offtopic @#Replicant # #debian @#Libreboot #guardianproject @#notnotnotnotnottor @#android-os #moocows #oftc #tor #nottor
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16:28<daunt>hi is there a debian variation of the terminal code add-apt-repository ppa:pinta-maintainers/pinta-stable
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16:32<towo`>daunt, no since debian doesn't use ppa's
16:32<daunt>thank you
16:33<devadmin>whos down wit opp?
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16:37<daunt>does xfce not take screenshots with printscreen key?
16:38<daunt>it always says "no images in clipit"
16:38<retrospectacus>!screenshot
16:38<dpkg>To take a screenshot of your current desktop, you can probably just hit the "PrintScreen" key on your keyboard (Gnome and KDE). Alternatives include ksnapshot, gnome-panel-screenshot, the Gimp's "Acquire->Screenshot", "import -window root screenshot.jpg" (imagemagick package), scrot, xwd. For framebuffer consoles, use fbcat. http://wiki.debian.org/ScreenShots http://screenshots.debian.net/
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16:38<daunt>xfce
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16:40<retrospectacus>afaik the function "printscreen key copies the screen to the clipboard" is a Windows-only function. All those programs ^^ do it better
16:41<daunt>afaik?
16:41<retrospectacus>!afaik
16:41<dpkg>well, afaik is As Far As I Know
16:41<daunt>ohhhhh
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16:42<titanus_>hello
16:42<zhanshan>hi SynrG
16:43<zhanshan>it works now!
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16:43<zhanshan>blacklisting nouveau obviously was enough!
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16:45<titanus_>trying to install debian 8.1 armhf on cs918 (http://www.amazon.it/Android-Player-RK3188T-Fernbedienung-EU-Stecker/dp/B00GYRDZGE)
16:45<Rod>daunt: ctrl/prt sc works with cinnamon
16:45<daunt>rod: thank you =)
16:45<daunt>rod: know any for xfce?
16:46<titanus_>someone has done it?
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16:46<Rod>daunt: no only using cinnamon atm
16:47<retrospectacus>daunt: The robot told you some options. I use scrot
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16:48<daunt>i'm new to linux, the robot didn't mention xfce
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16:50<r6ku>xfce comes with a screenshot application
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16:52<daunt>pushing the print screen key saved nothing to clipboard, is what i was looking for, a key function hopefully, thank you for the feedback everyone
16:53<daunt>got to run to hospital
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16:53<retrospectacus>0.o
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16:55<r6ku>you can bind the xfce screenshooter to the printscreen button from settings -> keyboard -> application shortcuts, not sure on how to paste it to the clopboard though :/
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16:59<r6ku>you can copy it straight to the clipboard if you bind the command <xfce4-screenshooter -f -c> to the printscreen button, pretty neat
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17:14<SynrG>zhanshan: great!
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17:23<nous5_>salut
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17:48<akuma>hey guys. how can I configure two ipv6 /64 blocks on one NIC?
17:48<akuma>I already have one setup, but can I just add the other block in the same manner?
17:48<akuma>or do I need to create a virtual interface like eth0:1
17:49<akuma>this is how my first /64 is setup and being used: http://dpaste.com/2V5N5JG
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17:51<markybob>akuma, just add a iface eth0:0 inet6 static
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17:52<markybob>akuma, and then :1 or :2 or however many you want
17:54<akuma>markybob, so I can leave the first one the same way, and then start with eth0:0 for the next IP?
17:54<markybob>akuma, yep
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17:55<akuma>markybob, do I have to do a single IP at a time per eth0:x or can I just setup the first IP and then do 'post-up'
17:55<akuma>and if I have a few other ipv4 on eth0:0 to eth0:3, I need to start with eth0:4, right?
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17:57<markybob>single at a time. and yes, :4. : just means alias
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18:00<akuma>markybob, would this be correct? http://dpaste.com/060RKZJ
18:02<markybob>akuma, looks good
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19:32<mrphs>any links to debconf keynote?
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19:35<abrotman>mrphs: try #debconf perhaps
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19:37<mrphs>abrotman: thanks! didn't know about that channel
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19:40<daunt>hi, i'm new to linux so please me nice, i'm currently attempting to edit a screensavers text http://paste.debian.net/304659/ these are the directions it gave me, can someone dumb it down for me? do i just type -program follow by a location of a txt file?
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19:50<Brigo>daunt, the example is using a text file. Do yoy have one?
19:50<daunt>i created a text file to test with =)
19:51<idkfa_>daunt, have you tried installing screenshot, it has keyboard shortcuts for screenshots or to copy to clipboard
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19:51<Brigo>then 'cat your_text_file'
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19:51<daunt>idkfa_: that's awesome~! thank you for telling me idkfa
19:51<Brigo>phosphor -program 'cat your_text_file'
19:52<daunt>brigo: i will do that, thank you
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19:52<Brigo>daunt, np :)
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19:52<daunt>i love you guys
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19:55<daunt>brigo: worked perfectly, thank you again
19:57<Brigo>daunt, of course ;)
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21:39<idkfa_>yes
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21:44<daunt>idkfa_: "screenshot" i found "xfce screenshooter" description said i can bind a hotkey, i have it installed but my search tool shows nothing? i also found "gnome-screenshot" which i also have, however i'm running xfce(which may be effecting what i see) doesn't show a way to bind key, do you have any suggestions how why i cant find my xfce screen shooter or how i can go about making the application visible?
21:47<idkfa_>daut im running cinnamon and used the gnome screenshot, the keyboard shortcuts are listed in the help
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21:58<daunt>http://paste.debian.net/304677/ how can i use this information to set options for a program in command prompt?
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22:04<daunt>i wish i could post more information but that's really all it says to me in reguards of trying to keybind for xfce-screenshooter, i feel like it's missing a lot of information
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22:04<idkfa_>sorry still trying to get used to using command lie, i use the screenshot because it gives all these options in gui
22:05<idkfa_>line*
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22:05<daunt>okay =( thank you for the feedback though! =)
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22:10<blast007>daunt: after you had left earlier, someone provided a suggestion: http://paste.debian.net/304679/
22:10<idkfa_>you should find the application executable in /usr/bin then you should be able to copy shortcut to desktop
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22:11<daunt>oh! thank you, sorry about that, i had to run to the hospital
22:11<daunt>thank you blast007
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22:24<daunt>blast007: issue fixed, thank you again!
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22:43<daunt>i just removed file/edit stuff at the top? how do i get it back @.@
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22:44<daunt>there are no options to bring it back!
22:49<daunt>what the hell, now fullscreen wont go down
22:49<daunt>why would it let options deadend
22:50<daunt>haaaaalp
22:51<daunt>ctrl+alt+delete doesnt work with linux either
22:52<markybob>daunt, calm down. no one knows what you're saying. try to state it more clearly
22:53<daunt>menu bar with file/edit/view is gone and i cannot make it come back, while searching for a way to bring it back, i accidentally turned on full screen but i can't get out of this either now
22:53<markybob>in what?
22:53<daunt>in XCHAT
22:54<markybob>daunt, kill it, then, rm -rf ~/.xchat2
22:54<daunt>in windows ctrl+alt+del can shut down the program, but it's not working here, so this newb is fully trapped
22:54<markybob>daunt, /exit will do it
22:54<daunt>i don't know what that means
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22:54<markybob>alrighty
22:54<somiaj>looks like /exit worked
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23:02<Daunt>trolled me =(
23:02<Daunt>back to the issue, anyone know how to get file/edit/view menu back in xchat
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23:04<markybob>Daunt, how did i troll you? you asked how to exit xchat
23:04<markybob>Daunt, i already told you. rm ~/.xchat2
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23:05<somiaj>Daunt: he didn't he said you can just exit xchat with /exit (this kills the program). He then suggested that you remove the .xhcat2 directory to rest all configurations to default.
23:06<somiaj>Daunt: another useful bit of advise is use google. look up 'toggle file menu in xchat' or something like that
23:06<Daunt>it exited me from the channel but left the screen up with nothing clickable, thought you did it on purpose
23:06<somiaj>might be file bar or somehthing like htat.
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23:06<somiaj>Daunt: he was giving you a way to get out of fullscreen and close the program which is one thing you were asking about.
23:06<Daunt>google was no help at the time
23:07<Daunt>i believe you
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23:07<Daunt>it's not what it did, but i believe the intentions
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23:07<somiaj>Daunt: anyways, his suggest of deleting the config file is probabal ythe best, just restart as opposed to try to modify it. though I prefer, 'mv ~/.xchat2 ~/.xchat2-bak'
23:07<somiaj>Daunt: that will just move the files so you can restore them if you wish as opposed to just deleting them, but also allow you to reset xchat back to its default settings
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23:18<jmcnaught>Daunt: hey. when you're stuck in full screen, Alt+Tab (switch windows). F11 is used by lots of applications to toggle fullscreen, but KDE apps it's often something different. Anyways, you're never completely trapped.
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23:26<Daunt>after somiaj implied "rm ~/.chat2" was a command prompt line, it didn't work, but removing .xchat.conf worked after finding it, thank you two for the feedback
23:27<somiaj>Daunt: yea I was just assuming the first post gave the correct directory, but the . files are usually config files and be found with 'ls -a'
23:27<Daunt>and for future reference so the next guy doesn't need to restart, tell them Alt+f4 to close the window as /exit just disconnects chat and for you talking to someone new they can't know how to rejoin
23:28<markybob>Daunt, it was xchat2, not chat2
23:28<Daunt>again thank you both for the feedback
23:29<somiaj>Daunt: then /part might have been alo you needed.
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23:29<Daunt>markybob, daunt@HostDaunt:~$ rm ~/.xchat2
23:29<Daunt>rm: cannot remove ‘/home/daunt/.xchat2’: Is a directory
23:29<Daunt>daunt@HostDaunt:~$
23:29<markybob>Daunt, rm -rf
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23:31<Daunt>"<markybob> Daunt, i already told you. rm ~/.xchat2"
23:31<markybob>Daunt, well fuck me 'til christmas. rm -rf ~/.xchat2
23:32<Daunt>=)
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