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00:16<twb>I get hash mismatches for jessie-backports when I use squid, because (presumably) squid has cached Packages.gz but not Packages.asc (or similar). Does anyone have handy a non-icky squid tweak to make squid work better with apt repos?
00:19<jmcnaught>twb: is switching to apt-cacher-ng an option?
00:19<twb>No.
00:19<twb>I already have a local mirror of almost all of debian.
00:19<twb>But because my local mirror is not synced correctly, I also add httpredir.d.o to me sources list
00:20<twb>So even though it's not actually used for packages (normally), apt-get update still gets pissy and my build aborts.
00:21<jmcnaught>so you don't want to use apt-cacher-ng instead because you already have too much of an investment in your local mirror?
00:22<twb>And because I have run the earlier cachers in the past and they were nonstop grief, and having the local mirror costs me nothing, and I'm doing live-build every ten minutes so having gigabit speed to the local mirror is worth it
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00:23<twb>Sorry, there's a whole lot of backstory that I didn't think was relevant
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00:25<jmcnaught>okay. for what it's worth i've used apt-cacher-ng for a few years now with no problems. When I'm playing around or learning new software I make lots of containers and VMs, have done lots of debootstraps and never had any trouble
00:26<twb>When it's come up in the past, apt-cacher-ng has certainly had much better reviews than its predecessors
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00:33<twb>Actually you know... just add no_proxy=httpredir.debian.org will probably fix it.
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00:36<twb>Nope.
00:38<jmcnaught>Most of my VMs are for testing configurations and are fairly short lived, so skip the debootstrap part when creating new VMs by maintaining a master install on an LV, and snapshotting it
00:39<jmcnaught>then i run virt-sysprep to change hostname, remove ssh host keys and udev network persistence, then virt-install to create and run the new VM
00:39<twb>Ah well debootstrap is actually the fast part. The slow part is installing all the stupid GUI stuff
00:40<twb>And I rebuild each time because it takes 5 to 20 minutes (about half of which is mksquashfs), and experience has taught me that it's better to pay that up front than to incur confusion later on because I was working from a stale cache
00:43<jmcnaught>well, i set this up when i was testing ansible playbooks, and I wanted to reduce the time it took to prepare another test after changes were made
00:43<twb>Yeah I totally get that
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01:24<RezaSR>Hi all
01:25<RezaSR>I want to install iceweasel in a debian server (without desktop envirenment)
01:26<RezaSR>So many pepole in the company will use it over X11 to browser the internet
01:26<RezaSR>about 300 or more people
01:26<twb>You can do that, but it will probably be slow over plain X, unless you use something like NX
01:26<RezaSR>I want to reduce the memory usage
01:26<twb>Also each iceweasel will probably want a lot of RAM, so if you have 300 users at once you might need- aha!
01:27<RezaSR>I see
01:27<twb>I do not know a good fix for that
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01:27<RezaSR>is xorg lightweight? or can use another alternative?
01:27<twb>You can set up per-user limits to say "they cannot have more than 64MB RAM" but if iceweasel wants more, iceweaseal will just crash
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01:28<twb>RezaSR: if they are doing "ssh -X appserv iceweasel", they are not running Xorg on your app server
01:28<twb>Xorg runs where the keyboard and monitor are
01:29<RezaSR>tnx for that
01:29<twb>In debian there is not really an alternative to Xorg, but if you are running physical X terminals then they may come with an older, smaller X implementation
01:30<twb>There are alternative browsers to iceweasel, like dillo, that use less RAM. But if you want "modern" web browsing they all need a lot of RAM
01:30<RezaSR>I dont want to install desktop on server, but when I try to install iceweasel it install some other packages too
01:30<RezaSR>like xorg
01:30<twb>RezaSR: try --without-recommends
01:30<twb>installing a GUI app should not install the GUI server
01:31<RezaSR>aha, tnx, I just want to install as little packages as possible
01:32<twb>yes then you want --without-recommends --- but understand that by opting out of Recommends, you are taking responsibility to make sure it still works for you
01:32<twb>Recommends are "most people need this"
01:32<twb>So e.g. you might find that iceweasel starts up but has no fonts or icons, because those were recommended
01:32<twb>apt-get will tell you which recommends it skipped, so you can make a decision.
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01:34<RezaSR>it is the same as --no-install-recommends?
01:35<twb>Ah yes, sorry
01:35<twb>I remembered the option wrong
01:35<RezaSR>aha, okay
01:35<RezaSR>I will try it
01:36<RezaSR>nx will need more ram over plain x?
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01:39<twb>not sure but it uses much less bandwidth
01:40<twb>NX is the good parts of X and VNC
01:40<RezaSR>Is it capable of sharing a single app not whole desktop?
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01:51<twb>I think so
01:51<twb>I have not looked at it for years
01:53<RezaSR>okay, really tnx for your helps
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02:33<ralbeser>hi
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02:49<aidalgol>What's a safe way to rsync website data? Right now, I just have it rsync'd to a subdirectory of a normal user's home directory, which doesn't seem ideal as far as separation of privileges go.
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02:51<twb>You're using rsync as the deployment mechanism?
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02:51<aidalgol>So I guess my question has two parts: 1) should I create a separate group/user for website data? And 2) how do I safely rsync system files?
02:51<aidalgol>twb: yes
02:51<twb>Ideally the user running the webserver won't have write access to the content
02:51<aidalgol>well, yes.
02:52<twb>And a web site shouldn't contain any "system files"
02:52<twb>are you doing rsync-over-ssh or plain rsync
02:52<aidalgol>I meant system files as opposed to files in /home
02:52<aidalgol>over ssh
02:53<twb>I can't think of anything special you need other than to upload them as one user and run apache as another
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02:54<aidalgol>OK, I'll just carry on with my present setup. ta
02:55<twb>Oh rrsync is how you lock it down, since you can't use internal-sftp
02:55<aidalgol>come again?
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02:56<twb>/usr/share/doc/rsync/scripts/rrsync.gz
02:57<aidalgol>oh yay, a perl script.
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02:58<twb>gitolite is very similar design
02:58<aidalgol>(not knocking perl; I just don't know it well enough to decipher non-trivial scripts)
02:58<twb>assuming I'm remembering the right git project
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02:58<twb>aidalgol: basically you use a force command in .ssh/authorized_keys to say "only allow rsync to these places"
02:59<aidalgol>"Restricts rsync to subdirectory declared in .ssh/authorized_keys" what?
02:59<aidalgol>OK, but it doesn't say how to declare that in .ssh/authorized_keys
02:59<twb>That's in ssh_config(5)
03:01<aidalgol>All I see in there is a mention that you *can* use patterns in authorized_keys.
03:02<twb>aidalgol: http://sprunge.us/BTOP there, you big baby
03:02<aidalgol>OK, I've also just poured over ssh(1) and still nothing.
03:02<twb>The first line is the start of an authorized_keys entry; the rest is parts of a makefile
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04:02<nishikino-maki>what irc.debian.org SSL port is?
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04:05<twb>getent services ircs --> 994
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04:05<twb>Tho most places except silly http seem to prefer STARTTLS style these days
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06:28<luca_ghio>Is it possible to file a bug against two packages?
06:29<markybob>luca_ghio, my mama told me i could do anything i set my mind to
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06:32<markybob>luca_ghio, she also called me stupid many times. why would you do that?
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06:35<luca_ghio>markybob: My Debian testing is affected by this bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=348977 , but I tried on another computer with Debian testing and the bug doesn't appear. The bug, besides Kate, also affects Dolphin as I wrote in the last comment
06:35<luca_ghio>maybe you can tell me a library against which I can file a bug
06:36<markybob>luca_ghio, i'd probably ask #debian-kde
06:38<luca_ghio>markybob: I've already asked, no answers
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08:22<oenx>hello! I have installed debian jessie with cinnamon desktop and set the JAVA_HOME at bashrc. In terminal works fine, but in desktop it's not working. Says that java was not set up . I added at /etc/environment too.
08:22<oenx>please, what i'm doing wrong°
08:22<oenx>?
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08:28<Kritzefitz>oenx: What do you need to set JAVA_HOME for? For me, everything I need to do with java (which isn't very much), works out of the box.
08:28*Kritzefitz isn't really into java, so take his advice with care
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08:33<oenx>Kritzefitz: dev
08:33<oenx>Kritzefitz: i'm trying to open some application that need it, but only works when i call at terminal...
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08:34<oenx>if i double-click it in desktop it says "java not found"
08:34<oenx>probably i'm making some config mistake
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08:38<sak>how install bind9
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08:42<babyfoxy>what's the name of the menu bar all windows have with the minimize/maximize/close buttons? what would i call that?
08:43<martinf99>you mean the window decoration. And on what desktop?
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08:44<babyfoxy>xfce, i'm wanting to remove that menubar from ice weasel but i don't know what to type into the search
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08:44<babyfoxy>everything that comes up is for the wrong menu bar
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08:45<babyfoxy>hoping it had a name someone knew
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08:49<duclicsic>babyfoxy: I would call that the title bar
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08:51<Kritzefitz>oenx: ~/.bashrc is only used at bash startup. Your desktop environment probably doesn't use it.
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08:52<r6ku>in xfce you can hide the title bar for maximized windows by going to Window Manager Tweaks > Accessibility > Hide title of windows...
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08:53<r6ku>there's also an add-on for iceweasel that does the same thing
08:54<Kritzefitz>oenx: As suggested by http://superuser.com/questions/121261/how-can-i-set-environment-variables-for-a-graphical-login-on-linux, some desktop environments use ~/.profile, while others ignore it and use some own startup scripts.
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08:56<Kritzefitz>oenx: The answers to that question seem to provide some more information, where environment variables can be set.
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09:21<babyfoxy>chat server and channel should i go to for #1 html coding #2 java coding #3 CSS coding? any coders in here with favorite help channels?
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09:28<babyfoxy>im heading to the mall, so i wont respond right away but i'll be back to read it if anyone has any suggestions where i can get help
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09:31<babyfoxy>duclicsic: and thank you for earlier, "titlebar" was the right name i needed to search with
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14:09<borden>Could someone clarify the matter with this command "sudo btrfs filesystem resize 64M /boot"? The output I get is "Resize '/boot' of '64M' ERROR: unable to resize '/boot' - Invalid argument"
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14:21<debdesk>hello world
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14:23<mith_>hi
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14:23<mith_>does exist the command ' hidd ' in debian jessie?
14:24<mith_>and if it does, which is the package?
14:24<mith_>for bluetooth connections
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14:25<borden>mith_: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/admin/bluez-compat
14:25<GLolol>those seem to be compatibility libraries, and were removed in jessie+ (old package was bluez-compat)
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14:26<mith_>which command can I use so?
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14:27<mith_>doesn't exist the bluez-compat package in jessie
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14:28<retrospectacus>,f bin/hidd
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14:29<retrospectacus>,file bin/hidd
14:29<judd>No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file.
14:29<mith_>apt-file search bin/hidd doesn't show anything
14:29<mith_>yep
14:29<retrospectacus>no exists
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14:30<mith_>so which command can I use for bluetooth connections?
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14:53<babyfoxy>for xchat, to remove event notices, i just leave the event text blank?
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15:11<babyfoxy>how do i edit xchat text events? nothing is being saved
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15:16<sney>babyfoxy: you should use hexchat instead, as it's actually maintained. but text events should save once you click outside the edit box
15:17<babyfoxy>sney, thank you, i guess it would need reinstalled to fix what i'm experiencing then if that's what it's suppose to do, i'll go get hexchat
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15:32<thy_pope>can anyone help me with Plop? :)) It doesn't recognize my DVD drive!
15:33<Crosant>Hi, I have a problem with my Realtek Lan, while i was installing Debian everything worked out but now it won't get a dhcp lease. I think this is not related to my router as my other clients get their addresses without any problems. The module used is r8169.
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15:50<bluzeo>hey guys - im currently trying to get more open source but i need something like dropbox - any ideas?
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15:52<sney>bittorrent sync, maybe
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16:08<mith_>hi
16:08<mith_>my debian jessie has got hcitool installed and blue tooth working, but the command hidd doesn't exist
16:08<mith_>what can I do for connecting an audio device?
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16:14<dingske>Hi all, I'm running wheezy and I like to change my dnsdomainname. How can I do this?
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16:16<duckles>I am running Debian with XFCE, and having trouble getting a Wacom Bamboo Pen / CTL-460 running with it's capabilities. I have tried installing things from the Synaptic Package Manager and looking through the debian FTP, and have found various Wacom related packages, but upon installing them, I am unable to find them, access a GUI, and the tablet s
16:16<duckles>till does not work with it's capabilities.
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16:20<dingske>During the install I offered to use foo.be, after some time I realized it was not so clever of me to name it like that. A better name is foo.lan. Know the question is how do I do this?
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16:26<cx405>Hello, I am trying to pass a few parameters to module usbcore. And all options I add to /etc/modprobe.d/usbcore.conf are simply ignored. I am sure that format is correct, however when I "cat /sys/module/usbcore/parameters/autosuspend" it returns default value. Manually sending the value there works without problems. What am I missing?
16:27<babyfoxy_>anyone have a favorite server+channel for coding help? html/java/css
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16:29<retrospectacus>dingske: man hostname
16:30<retrospectacus>dingske: read carefully SET NAME in the description section
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16:37<proximacentauri>Hi everyone :). I'm using Debian Jessie and I wanted to know how can I install KDE 5 (Plasma 5) because I don't see any information about this version on the internet ? Thanks :)
16:37<proximacentauri>Should I use this tutorial ? : https://community.kde.org/Frameworks/Building
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16:39<dingske>@retrospectacus, so if I change the name in /etc/hostname and reboot, the job is done, correct?
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16:41<babyfoxy_>http://paste.debian.net/304903/ to have a 1:1 mouse movement ratio, do i need to set everything to 0?
16:41<dingske>Is 'restart|stop|start' the hostname service an option here?
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16:43<`ryban>greetings
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17:00<skyland>I need help, please
17:01<mtn>!ask
17:01<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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17:01<babyfoxy_>don't forget about me =)
17:02<skyland>Firefox not runs sound witch duolingo
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17:03<skyland>the browser work witch youtube and others sites witch flash
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17:05<skyland>why not work?
17:05<skyland>maybe html5?
17:06<mtn>skyland, you could try using chromium, will need the pepperflash plugin if it is flash on that page
17:06<mtn>skyland, and debian does not come with firefox ;)
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17:10<babyfoxy_>how long should i wait before it's acceptable to reask a question without being rude?
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17:11<skyland>when use chromium work
17:11<mtn>babyfoxy_, 20 minutes or so
17:12<skyland>because in linux mint workinf perfetly....
17:12<babyfoxy_>http://paste.debian.net/304903/ to have a 1:1 mouse movement ratio, do i need to set everything to 0?
17:12<babyfoxy_>mtn, thank you
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17:12<mtn>babyfoxy_, :)
17:14<Crosant>Hi, I have a problem with my Realtek Lan, while i was installing Debian everything worked out but now it won't get a dhcp lease. I think this is not related to my router as my other clients get their addresses without any problems. The module used is r8169.
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17:19<babyfoxy_>https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Mouse_acceleration i found this post, would this effect debian xfce as well? attempting true 1:1 mouse movement ratio
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17:21<babyfoxy_>it's talking about the same programs debian uses but i can't find the file at the location it's speaking of at the bottom about completely disabling mouse acceleration
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17:26<squinty>babyfoxy_, in a terminal sudo updatedb && locate <filename> replace <filename> with the name of the file you are searching for
17:28<babyfoxy_>updatedb && 50-mouse-acceleration.conf
17:28<babyfoxy_>bash: 50-mouse-acceleration.conf: command not found
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17:29<squinty>babyfoxy_, locate <filename> you may need to omit the "50"
17:29<squinty>babyfoxy_, "locate" is a command not an instruction
17:30<Crosant>squinty: apt-get install locate
17:30<Crosant>ah wait i was dumb xD
17:31<squinty>the package name is actually "mlocate" afaik, it should be part of the default install
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17:33<babyfoxy_>squinty, thank you for leading me, mlocate is installed and "locate mouse-acceleration.conf" had no response in command, but this time it didn't say "command not found" instead just nothing happened
17:34<squinty>babyfoxy_, then that file is not present on your system (not here either on my debian 8.1 install) probably better to google for debian specific instructions imho
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17:34<babyfoxy_>squinty, do you know what extra packages i would need to download to acquire missing file? i have xinput, xorg, x11, xserver
17:35<babyfoxy_>squinty, i tried i can't find anything i need help i dunno what else to do
17:35<babyfoxy_>squinty, all debian specific info is either outdated or not fully disabling acceleration, leaving a small amount still there
17:36<babyfoxy_>squinty, i can't do it by myself and i don't know anyone in real life that likes computers too
17:37<babyfoxy_>squinty, luke, you're my only hope
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17:38<squinty>babyfoxy_, you might just want to try making that file yourself with the information provided by the tutorial. gksu gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-mouse-acceleration.conf then copy paste the contents from the page into the file and save it
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17:39<babyfoxy_>squinty, okay
17:39<squinty>babyfoxy_, might want to try asking in #debian on freenode irc network too. personally i have never played around with this before so it may be good to get some extra input
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17:43<babyfoxy_>squinty, thank you squinty
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17:46<squinty>babyfoxy_, http://www.linuxlog.org/?p=107 Device Accel Profile (241): -1 "f you want to completely disable mouse acceleration set “Device Accel Profile” to -1 like it is below then set “Device Accel Constant Deceleration” to the speed you want your mouse at" just in case you haven't seen it
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17:48<babyfoxy_>squinty, is there a way i can set that code to launch after every restart?
17:50<squinty>babyfoxy_, which code? if xorg.list.d then it should, afaik, be automatically read when booting. if you are asking about the other web page I sent you, there are instructions at the bottom of the page "startup applications"
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17:54<pecanqn>hi
17:55<pecanqn>i need some help, is anybody?
17:55<squinty>!ask
17:55<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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17:55<pecanqn>im using the command badblocks
17:56<pecanqn>badblocks -s -v -f /dev/sdb -o disk.txt
17:56<pecanqn>is this the correct form?
17:56<pecanqn>i need to fix a hdd, is this ok?
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18:00<pecanqn>??
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18:27<pecanqn>HELLO!
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18:45<Infiltrator>In totem (or GNOME videos) how do I pull up the side panel with the playlist?
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18:58<zeromon>Is there way to install gcc-3.3 in Debian?
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18:59<zeromon>I need it to compile an old source code
19:00<Infiltrator>zeromon: You can pull the old package out of the archives, but I think that it'll have too many deps.
19:00<Infiltrator>Probably better off just compiling it yourself.
19:00<jorarome> /nick jorarome_off
19:00<Infiltrator>Or, just update the code.
19:00<Infiltrator>Surely that would be quicker/easier?
19:02<zeromon>Do I need libstdc++5 also?
19:02<Infiltrator>zeromon: Is it C or C++ code?
19:02<Infiltrator>Also, it would probably be 3 not 5.
19:02<Infiltrator>(I'm guessing.)
19:04<zeromon>the code is written in mixture of C, C++ and fortran
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19:04<zeromon>very old code for electron microsocpy
19:05<zeromon>Infiltrator: https://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libstdc++5
19:05<Infiltrator>Then yeah, you'll need g++ and libstdc++
19:06<zeromon>I should find out g++ for 3.3 version
19:06<zeromon>I installed libstdc++ but still I can't find g++ package
19:06<Infiltrator>Maybe there wasn't a seperate g++ back then?
19:07<zeromon>then how can I use gcc 3.3 as binary
19:07<zeromon>?
19:08<Infiltrator>zeromon: You know, if it's all in squeeze, you could just add it into your sources.list and let apt* do the work for you.
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19:10<zeromon>g++ version in squeeze is 4.4.5 though
19:11<Infiltrator>Ah, right, sorry.
19:12<Infiltrator>zeromon: http://snapshot.debian.org/binary/gcc-3.3/
19:13<Infiltrator>snapshot.debian.org should have everything you need.
19:13<zeromon> Infiltrator: great. thanks a lot
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20:01<Seattle_Mike>my usb disk auto mounts media/usbn How to automount media/<label>?
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22:19<elvis>hello. im using znc but i still can t hide or change my host name on irc
22:20<elvis>any help ?
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23:06<ckosloff>I am downloading a netinst.iso for stable release via browser, how can I verify md5sum? I don't see any link in the download page
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23:08<ixi>link to what?
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23:08<ckosloff>ixi: to md5sum
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23:13<ixi>ckosloff http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/MD5SUMS
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23:13<ixi>1a311f9afb68d6365211b13b4342c40b debian-8.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso
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23:23<un214>Is there a suitable replacement for NetworkManager for desktop systems?
23:23<un214>I'm getting bit pretty hard by one of its bugs
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23:26<lostson>un214: wicd might work well for you
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23:32<un214>thanks I'll check it out
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