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---Logopened Thu Aug 27 00:00:17 2015
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00:30<valdezpa>I am trying to join a win domain and am having issues. I am running realm and it sees the domain but errors out when I try and join. I am using the admin and another user that has adding privileges. "Failed to join domain: failed to connect to AD: Cannot contact any KDC for requested realm" is the error.
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00:36<AcidRain>how do i install a desktop enviorment in debian , on a existong server with no deskop
00:37<bluzeo>hey guys i got an ? - im trying out mate but i dont understand why bumblegum isnt part of the apps like KDE?
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00:43<sney>!tell AcidRain about tasksel
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01:11<Labtop_215>Can anybody see this message?
01:12<sney>!test
01:12<dpkg>Test failed.
01:13<Labtop_215>Nevermind, I'll come back with a different client.
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01:16<Labtop_215>Okay, so can people read this?
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01:29<twb>Why does debootstrap --variant minbase install e2fsprogs? I realize it's Essential: yes, but AFAICT /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/sid only tries to install apt + its deps
01:30<twb>Hm, initscripts Recommends e2fsprogs so maybe that's why
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01:35<twb>Hm, the manpage says minbase = essential + apt --- but I'm damned if I can see anywhere that "essential" is checked for in the entire debootstrap repo
01:37<twb>Aha! scripts/sid (for which jessie is an alias) adds all Priority: required before it looks at the variant.
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01:40<twb>Because ?essential = ?priority(required) + apt
01:42<twb>Oops, no. essential - required = apt, but there's more in required than just that
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03:08<medvedev80> Hi All, Deb 8.1 it's cool! Tnx all
03:09<twb>medvedev80: any problems we can help with? :-)
03:09<nils>hi @all
03:09<nils>does anyone know if gnome-control-center is broken in debian sid?
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03:10<twb>nils: broken how?
03:10<nils>like that:Die folgenden Pakete haben unerfüllte Abhängigkeiten:
03:10<nils> gnome-control-center : Hängt ab von: libcheese-gtk23 (>= 3.4.0) soll aber nicht installiert werden
03:10<nils> Hängt ab von: libcheese7 (>= 3.0.1) soll aber nicht installiert werden
03:11<nils>sorry for german... "Hängt ab von" would be "depends"
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03:11<nils>and " soll aber nicht installiert werden" is "not to be installed
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03:12<twb>dpkg: tell nils about localized errors
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03:13<twb>nils: I don't know about right now, but that sort of problem often happens in sid and will fix itself in time
03:13<nils>thanks...
03:13<nils>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
03:13<nils> gnome-control-center : Depends: libcheese-gtk23 (>= 3.4.0) but it is not going to be installed
03:13<nils> Depends: libcheese7 (>= 3.0.1) but it is not going to be installed
03:13<nils>E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
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03:19<nils> /msg dpkg paste
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03:43<eroux>Hello
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03:44<eroux>I wanted to bugreport something on alioth.debian.org, but I cannot log in (it says "Exiting with error" after I try to log in on the mail confirmation url)
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03:44<eroux>where can I bugreport a bug on the alioth.debian.org tracker?
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03:46<twb>BTS has pseudopackages for infrastructure
03:46<twb>I don't know which is alioth tho
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03:47<twb>Hm, there's "bts show wiki.debian.org" but not alioth.debian.org ?
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03:49<twb>eroux: ask #alioth or check https://wiki.debian.org/Alioth -- though I can't see it in /Alioth/FAQ subpage
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03:56<eroux>ok thanx
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04:52<twb>Is "chrt --batch 0 foo" sexier or unsexier than "nice -n 10 foo" ?
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05:33<mohammad-ghasemi>I copy a debian iso using cp to a flash drive but it won't boot
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05:35<twb>mohammad-ghasemi: show me the cp command you ran
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05:35<mohammad-ghasemi>twb cp torrents/completed/debian-8.1.0-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso /dev/sdb
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05:36<twb>OK that looks good to me
05:36<twb>try a different key, and a different computer.
05:36<twb>(Sometimes the key is bad, sometimes the computer cannot boot off USB.)
05:37<melmothX>mm, why cp? shouldn't you be using dd?
05:37<twb>Also, each bank (group) of USB ports is controlled by a different chip on the motherboard. Sometimes a different bank will work.
05:37<twb>melmothX: either works, cp is simpler to use
05:37<twb>melmothX: (I was surprised, too)
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05:39<mohammad-ghasemi>twb melmothX thank you
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05:52<maazu>hi
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06:27<stemid>hi I'm trying to make a linux live cd. I've copied isolinux.bin, hdt.c32, ldlinux.c32, libcom32.c32, libutil.c32, vesamenu.c32, menu.c32 from syslinux-common package to my isolinux dir. then I try to run xorriso like this: http://paste.debian.net/307115/
06:27<stemid>and get the error shown there
06:29<twb>stemid: not genisoimage?
06:30<stemid>I will try that one. I was following this guide here https://l3net.wordpress.com/2013/09/21/how-to-build-a-debian-livecd/
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06:30<twb>What's the dir you're packing in that list? I can't see it
06:31<stemid>scroll right. if you mean the -b argument. isolinux dir is in my cwd.
06:31<twb>Normally you'd have a dir like Foo/ which contains Foo/isolinux/syslinux.cfg &c, and Foo/live/...
06:31<stemid>yes I do. I was simplifying but yes. binary/isolinux/isolinux.bin
06:31<twb>Oh so xorriso defaults to packing the working dir?
06:31<stemid>I also tried -b binary/isolinux/isolinux.bin
06:31<stemid>I've never used xorriso before so I can't say.
06:32<twb>In genisoimage, you have to pack all the boot files into the iso source dir, *and* tell it to point at them in the metadata
06:32<twb>It sounds like you're only doing the latter, so it's upset because it is trying to point to nothing
06:33<twb>You know there's a live-build package right
06:33<twb>It automates all this crap
06:34<twb>Here's what I was doing last time I built live CDs by hand: ]
06:34<twb>http://sprunge.us/IRAL
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06:35<stemid>thanks twb !
06:35<twb>I think you should just use live-build tho
06:35<stemid>I got genisoimage to run but I'll use the live-built package.
06:36<stemid>oh right. I almost forgot. I'm building this live ISO on a fedora system.
06:36<twb>Not sure if that's a proble for live-build
06:37<stemid>they have an equivalent package called livecd-tools
06:37<twb>It's written a bit funny because *in theory* it should work anywhere debootstrap will work, I htink
06:37<stemid>I'll take a look at that
06:37<stemid>yeah, I have debootstrap on fedora, chroot works fine.
06:37<twb>It does stuff like building the build dir twice, then using one copy to install the ISO making tools into
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06:45<stemid>ah. I think it makes sense now. I had misunderstood the mksquashfs step. it creates the filesystem from my chroot into the dir that genisoimage uses.
06:45<stemid>so it's all good
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06:47<twb>yes that's what my old code called "inner" dir
06:47<twb>So what you end up with is an iso that contains isolinux + filesystem.squashfs, and filesystem.squashfs is your "real" rootfs
06:47<twb>And the .iso is effectively your /boot
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06:48<twb>So debian live could (but doesn't actually) mount iso /boot; mount /boot/live/fs.sq /root; mount --move /boot /root/boot; switch_root /root
06:49<twb>What it actually does is mount --move them under /lib/live/mount, because the *real* real rootfs is a the sq overlayed with a tmpfs cow :-)
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06:53<Smakp>hi
06:53<Smakp>can tell me
06:53<Smakp>JAVA or C to leran
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15:13<ismael>I'm getting X509 PEM lib errors when using pip... http://paste.debian.net/307811/
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15:18<sw>I am preparing to do my first Debian install. My internet connection is via USB tethering through an Android smartphone. Is the Jessie netinst method likely to recognize this type of network connection and be able to use it for the rest of the install?
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15:22<amacater>You're likely to be downloading _a lot_ of data ... how's your data plan?
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15:23<sw>It's unlimited, but only the first 5GB at 4GLTE speed.
15:23<eddyp>until jessie I have been using bozohttpd for a lightweight http server with userdir (serve at http://server/~user whatever is in user's ~/public_html) support, but in jessie it is no longer available. Can you suggest a lightweight replacement?
15:24<amacater>Does depend on what the network interface presents itself as - if you've another computer, you might want to download DVD 1 at 4G, copy to a USB stick and install from there ...
15:24<amacater>4G above refers to 4GiB so will fit on a small USB stick / be able to be burnt to DVD in a DVD burner
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15:25<sw>Ok, I have DVD burner, no USB stick.
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15:27<amacater>the iso you want is almost certainly - http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.1.0/amd64/iso-cd/
15:27<amacater>for an AMD/Intel 64 bit capable system
15:28<sw>Long download times are pretty much ok for me. I downloaded Ubuntu Karmic upgrade over dial-up. It took a week (then the upgrade crashed).
15:29<amacater>That might give you the CDs - you only need CD #1 for a fairly complete system - there are versions which iwll install different desktop environments by default
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15:30*jelly does not remember seeing usb-serial or usb net in the installer
15:31<amacater>Not by default no - hence the suggestion to use a downloaded CD / DVD to bootstrap the install .... DVD is good because DVD #1 will give you most of everything.
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15:34<sw>If it is easy to bail out of the installer at any point, maybe I should just go ahead and try the netinst. If it doesn't recognize my connection, bail out and download the DVD .iso. I'd expect no harm done (?)
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15:35<amacater>I would strongly suggest taking the option to use the expert install - it asks you the most questions
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15:36<sw>Thank you, the more questions the better. I was also planning to do the Manual partitioning option for the same reason.
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15:40<sw>Thank you for your help. When I do this, I think I'll try the netinst first (small download). If it doesn't find my network connection (usb0), I'll exit and go the DVD route.
15:41<sw>What it sounds like is that the tethered connection *could* work for the install, but... might not.
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15:57<amacater>sw: that's what I'm thinking
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16:43<Ra_Sla>Hi there! Is anybody here?
16:44<Ra_Sla>I need Help with install from "Debian-8.1-live-mate" from LivUSB
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16:46<Ra_Sla>Are anybody knows: "where Debian-8.1-live Installer writing Installation log?
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17:05<mohammad-ghasemi>I remember that I saw midory web browser in synaptic. But it is not shown now
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17:08*amacater says g'night all
17:08<retrospectacus>,v midori
17:08<retrospectacus>judd: v midori
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17:09<retrospectacus>:(
17:09<retrospectacus>mohammad-ghasemi: it is called midori anyways, not midory
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17:14<martinnaughton>hey question guys, i am running apache as www-data on my laptop. i have added www-data user as a sudoer with NOPASSWD. i have a php script that is running inside apache. I want this file to able to edit /etc/hosts. i keep getting permissions denied
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17:15<martinnaughton>even though i can edit the /etc/hosts as a sudo command
17:15<martinnaughton>shouldnt that work above
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17:16<martinnaughton>or probably only when the sudo command is run that the sudoer file is asked what can this user do. sudo command will not be run in php
17:17<martinnaughton>because with out the sudo command i can not edit the file which is what the apache server is running as
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17:24<sentry>salut
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17:25<sentry>hello
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17:34<mohammad-ghasemi>retrospectacus didn't find midori too
17:35<martinnaughton>bonjour
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17:35<mtn>mohammad-ghasemi, https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=midori
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17:37<mohammad-ghasemi>mtn oh it isn't in the main section. thanks
17:37<mohammad-ghasemi>retrospectacus thanks for correcting me
17:37<mtn>mohammad-ghasemi, it is not in jessie, at all, it appears
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17:38<mohammad-ghasemi>mtn yeah
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17:46<shibboleth>Anyone care to recommend a few tech-oriented channels here on OFTC?
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17:47<shibboleth>tech-related as in network, hardware, os, all things *nix
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17:54<martinnaughton>it is a good idea to add a network configuration group to debian. then any one in that group can change the network details?
17:55<shibboleth>maybe, but then said users can also bork the network config
17:55<shibboleth>by "mistake", isolating the host
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17:57<martinnaughton>true
17:57<martinnaughton>but only trust users are added to the list
17:57<martinnaughton>like sudoers
17:57<martinnaughton>no different
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18:06<euse>HOLA
18:06<shibboleth>EHLO
18:06<euse>USUARIO DE DEBIAN
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18:08<shibboleth>english
18:09<lostatwork>!es
18:09<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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19:03<snusarn>How come the "avant-window-navigator" is no longer available in the repos? Is there any way recommended to get it installed in debian sid?
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19:04<snusarn>I don't like docky because the unability to use only one panel and use it as launcher only
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19:09<MrDalek>I'm deploying my first Jessie system, and am having trouble configuring sshd
19:10<MrDalek>I want to use a non-defaut port, but changing /etc/ssh/sshd_config doesn't work.
19:10<sney>did you restart ssh after changing the config?
19:10<gsimmons>snusarn: Avant Window Navigator hasn't been part of Debian for the last two stable releases (/msg dpkg awn). You might be interested in using Cairo-Dock as an alternative (/msg dpkg cairo-dock).
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19:11<MrDalek>I also tried changing /lib/systemd/system/ssh.socket
19:11<snusarn>gsimmons: thx i will have a look at that, but why are awn not a part of debian anymore? The development is still active according to their site
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19:14<rstrt>Howdy all, I'm running 7.8 and trying to get PCI passthrough working in KVM. I've gotten stuck at modprobing pci_stub. I'm not sure how to enable the pci_stub kernel module, as I've never messed with the kernel before. Anyone point me in the right direction?
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19:15<MrDalek>Is there some other place that sshd is getting it configuration information? 'cause it sure is annoying to keep having port 22 active when I'm trying to get it to listen on another one.
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19:18<shibboleth>MrDalek, should work
19:18<shibboleth>kill it, change it, restart
19:18<gsimmons>snusarn: See Debian bug #725264 (https://bugs.debian.org/725264) for details. A dependent library was removed from Debian in 2013.
19:18<shibboleth>systemctl | grep ssh
19:18<shibboleth>systemctl stop *servicename*
19:19<sney>it really is just /etc/ssh/sshd_config and the port is set in the first couple lines of that file
19:19<sney>then you service ssh restart and it'll take effect
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19:55<MrDalek>sney: That's what I expected. But it doesn't seem to be reading it. I even got desprate enough to try _restarting_. Still port 22
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19:58<sney>MrDalek: can you pastebin your sshd_config?
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19:59<Brigo>MrDalek, what is the output of systemctl status ssh.socket ?
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20:00<MrDalek>The line "Listen:" shows [::]:22 (Stream)
20:00<Brigo>MrDalek, the first line
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20:02<MrDalek>Loaded: loaded (lib/systemd/system/ssh.socket; disabled)
20:03<Brigo>MrDalek, so it is not in use.
20:03<MrDalek>Should I change the port number in ssh.socket or sshd_config?
20:03<Brigo>MrDalek, afaik, sshd_config should be enough.
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20:07<MrDalek>Bringo: Okay.
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20:12<bcr>does anybody here know live-build? #debian-live isn't responding
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20:36<davide>hi
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20:48<anon>Hi, is it possible to install steam while using Gnome 3 in debian? I installed the steam:i386 package using multiarch but I'm getting driver problems
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20:50<anon>steam works if i install libgl1-mesa-swx11 but installing that removes gnome and xorg so it only works till i restart my computer
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20:52<sloucher>anon steam works great. Did you try this wiki? https://wiki.debian.org/Steam
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20:54<somiaj>anon: I assume you are running jessie? What graphics drivers are you using?
20:54<Dudi879>You can use steam with all DE and WM, no difference
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20:57<Seattle_Mike>how do I change mount media/uname/<label> to media/<label>?
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20:58<Seattle_Mike>who
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21:01<somiaj>Seattle_Mike: this is going to be a function of what process is automounting your devices. Are you running gnome?
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21:02<Seattle_Mike>I am on kde wth a working gnome underneath.
21:03<Seattle_Mike>my devices are mounted by autofs and udev
21:04<anon>sloucher, I tried the wiki on steam now I can't even install the package
21:04<Celelibi>I'm a bit disppointed that the netinstall still require a kernel and an initrd locally stored.
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21:07<sloucher>anon Did you get any errors that you can post?
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21:07<anon>no errors steam hangs on "Installing breakpad exception handler for appid(steam)/version(1440016726)"
21:07<anon>googled it one person said incorrect drivers
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21:09<sloucher>anon what kind of video card do you have and what driver do you have installed? I want to send you to the debian wike for you video card.
21:10<anon>Radeon HD 5770
21:10<anon>ill look at the wiki
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21:10<Seattle_Mike>somij: maybe it is kde i got automount from Device Notifier Settings
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21:14<Seattle_Mike>somiaj: it has a setting to enable automountung for removable media
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21:22<sillyslux>umm in strech repo there is epiphany-browser but no epiphany-extensions?
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21:29<Seattle_Mike>somiaj: I will go to debian-kde device notifier is a Plasma app
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21:31<somiaj>Seattle_Mike: you are on the right track. It is KDE that is automounting the device, so that would be were to configure it if it is configurable.
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21:36<Seattle_Mike>somiaj: The mount directory isn't an option. But I will search further even patch it if neccesary. I need it cuz ny backup scripts depend on a media mount. I also have a feedback as it works fine under Wheezy Thanks for your help.
21:37<somiaj>Seattle_Mike: do your backup go to a consistant UUID, maybe an entry in fstab will force it so the automounter puts it in the correct place by UUID
21:38<somiaj>Seattle_Mike: you could also disable the automounter and see if a simpiler one works, there is usbmount, but I don't think it mounts by volume name, I think it just does /media/usb[0-7] https://wiki.debian.org/usbmount
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21:39<Seattle_Mike>somiaj: I will think about but they are 5 volumes on a gpt disk/
21:40<somiaj>Seattle_Mike: well UUID will identify them fairly easy and give you a way to mount them where you want. I'm unsure if auto mounter will look at /etc/fstab first
21:45<Seattle_Mike>somiaj: I tryied usbmount and don't like the usb mounts. Before I go UUID I will try and fix my mounter first. But I multiple drives and also I need usb stick mounts.
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21:55<anon>has anyone got steam working on gnome3 with a ati/amd graphics card here?
21:55<anon>seems it needs proprietary amd drivers but gnome isnt compatible with those proprietary drivers
21:56<somiaj>anon: You may have to talk to the steam community about why steam won't run with the free radeon drivers. But if you can't get it to run with those drivers and have to use fglrx, then you won't be able to use gnome3
21:57<anon>i see
21:57<somiaj>anon: http://steamcommunity.com/app/221410/discussions/4/540744936705197381/
21:57<anon>which is why i was wondering if anyone here has been able to do it
21:57<somiaj>anon: it appears steam works just fine with the radeon drivers. I'm unsure what the issue you are having is though.
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22:00<anon>dang i dont want to stop using gnome 3
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22:01<somiaj>anon: what is the exact error you get from steam when you run it again?
22:02<anon>well once i restarted my computer while using the proprietary drivers i couldnt use gnome3, so i went back to my old drivers the open source ones. i get "libGL error: unable to load driver: r600_dri.so"
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22:13<anon>i ran steam with libgl_debug=verbose and it's saying the issue is not my gfx drivers its libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.20' not found
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22:14<somiaj>Steam comes with its own libaries, it could be you are using the outdated steam drivers located in your .steam dir and need to remove them to force using the system libaries
22:14<somiaj>,v libc6
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22:21<anon>sweet it looks like that worked somiaj
22:21<anon>i removed all libraries it came with
22:21<anon>thanks for your help
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22:22<anon>now i can play cs go lol
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22:23<anon>noooooo
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22:27<anon>ok it works
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22:27<levlaz>Hi Friends! Does anyone know who runs ask.debian.net -- or debian.net in general?
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22:54<bluzeo>ok guys. i am getting told to switch to mate by a lot of my friends and im very comfortable with Kde but what is the trend of Mate?
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23:01<levlaz>bluzeo: Did you like GNOME2?
23:02<bluzeo>i dont like Gnome- i only use Linux for a year man
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23:02<levlaz>I see, well MATE is just a fork of GNOME 2 which is the old version of GNOME. You may have never used it if you are new to Linux.
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23:02<levlaz>There is no "best" Desktop Environment, use whatever makes the most sense for you. :)
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23:04<bluzeo>i can say this man-i love KDE but all my friends switch to mate due to plasma not being ready - i install it but i tried to use it.
23:05<levlaz>"Plasma not beng ready" what does that even mean?
23:05<bluzeo>plamsa 5.4 got bugs
23:05<levlaz>Everything has bugs
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23:06<bluzeo>i know but all my friends like the new stuff and im here on my debian box yet have a update :)
23:07<levlaz>You cannot "Like the new Stuff" and be using MATE, the whole point of MATE is to stick to the old way of doing things lol.
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23:09<bluzeo>there on arch and using mate so it mainly way of making a excuse for them to put a rolling release on this box
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