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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-08-30

---Logopened Sun Aug 30 00:00:25 2015
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00:19<cx405>It seems Debian does not support per-user locale. Is this correct?
00:20<cx405>Or does it have an equivalent to ArchLinux' /etc/profile.d/locale.sh ?
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00:22<cx405>That maybe an exact reason, why GTK applications not honour local locale settings.
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00:25<cx405>Means that globale locale setting (/etc/default/locale) dictates locale for every user on Debian system...
00:25<cx405>global*
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00:46<cx405>This is exactly what Debian is missing: https://plus.google.com/+TomGundersen/posts/2zKCcnTWDpa
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01:14<schoolgirl>hello
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01:16<schoolgirl>is anyone monitoring chat?
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01:19<sleser>guys iceweasel takes too long to load webpages
01:19<sleser>is there anything i can do to boost things up
01:20<sleser>not sure if its my side problem or . the site im loading
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01:37<somiaj>whologin: did you get anywhere?
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01:44<whologin>no
01:44<whologin>getting there
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01:56<LadyAlissa>Quick question, how can I get vim with support for Python 2.7 ?
01:56<LadyAlissa>For plugins and such?
01:57<markybob>LadyAlissa, vim-nox
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01:58<LadyAlissa>Works. Thanks.
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05:39<med200954>Hi
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05:40<z3r0>hi
05:40<med200954>How Are You ?
05:40<Raiz>hey!
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05:40<med200954>welcomz
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06:58<joelkraehemann>hi all
06:59<Raiz>Hey joelkraehemann
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07:02<joelkraehemann>Raiz, hi how are you?
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07:03<joelkraehemann>What's going on?
07:03<Raiz>I'm fine
07:03<joelkraehemann>well me, too
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07:03<Raiz>just listening to myoozik
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07:03<Vs>I am wanting to set up openvpn on my laptop, is it possible to set up the server and the client on only one Machine?
07:04<Raiz>I don't think that off-topic stuff are allowed here
07:04<Raiz>you can move the conversation to my channel #oftc-hacker :P
07:04<joelkraehemann>May be take a look at the loopback device
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07:05<joelkraehemann>But you might experience problems with firewalls
07:05<Vs>Alright
07:05<joelkraehemann>VPN is something really annoying, good luck
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07:05<Raiz>wb dpkg
07:06<joelkraehemann>Whereas good look is right term to express what you need
07:08<joelkraehemann>If you really want to make a VPN you should immediately take a look what protocols and encryption is supported for both ends ...
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07:09<joelkraehemann>It might take a lot of time
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07:10<joelkraehemann>Raiz, already seen here?
07:11<Raiz>what?
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07:14<Tallcan>Hello, is anyone awake?
07:15<Raiz>Tallcan: Hey!
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07:21<joelkraehemann>Hi
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07:37<andhika>hi
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08:11<cx405>Ring ding ding
08:12<Raiz>hi
08:12<cx405>Anyone with understanding for implementation of LC_* / LANG ?
08:12<cx405>Raiz: hi!
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08:14<cx405>No one?
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08:16<Raiz>I don't think so
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10:04<blu>I have a PHP app that has fpm workers scaled accross a bunch of machines. I need a shared filesystem for those, currently using NFS, but dont like the single point of failure. Thinking about GFS2 vs OCFS2 vs something else? What do you think runs well on debian for this?
10:04<blu>drbd?
10:05<blu>ah drbd.. drbd + ocfs2..
10:05<blu>I have more than two nodes.
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10:12<rled>Hi Guiz! Really need help getting a ready VMWare compressed thingy to work in Qemu. I'm totally over my head with these .vdx and about dozen other files that should make the Qemu img after conversion... I tried asking in #debian-qemu but there's no one there, and searching the web just gives me random nonsense.
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10:16<rled>Anyone?
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10:21<acer>how to change the other side "X -- 0
10:21<acer>X - O
10:22<acer>x minimize, maximize
10:22<somiaj>acer: please be clear what you are talking about? It sounds like you want to change the buttons on your window decor?
10:24<acer>I want to move right
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10:25<somiaj>acer: you are not being clear what you want, what do you want to mvoe right?
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10:26<acer>I want to move the buttons for minimizing and closing the other right
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10:27<babyfoxy>i can't find a channel for science, anyone know an active one? freenode#science has 14 total, 14 afk xD it's saddening
10:27<somiaj>acer: This will be dependent on the window manager you are using. Not all window managers support this. What window manager (desktop) are you using?
10:28<somiaj>babyfoxy: on freenode you'll have to pick what you want, but there is ##physics, ##chemistry, and various other ones
10:28<acer>gnome classic
10:28<babyfoxy>ohhhhhh, i need to pick a subject, thank you
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10:32<somiaj>acer: I'm unsure how easy it is to do that in gnome. But that is what I would look up in google. (assuming by gnome classic you mean mate) look up 'mate desktop move window buttons' or somethig like that in google.
10:33<acer>ok
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10:34<somiaj>acer: I also forget which window manager gnome uses, but that is what you want to look for. Either look for how to configure this in gnome or the assoicated window manager.
10:35<somiaj>the only other option is use a different desktop/window manager if you can't configure this in the one you are using.
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12:04<_0876543211234567890>!list
12:04<dpkg>_0876543211234567890: vedi http://packages.debian.org/
12:05<_0876543211234567890>hi
12:05<_0876543211234567890> /load .xchat2/budus.so
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12:10<Srivishnu>yo
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12:24<roger_>Bonsoir à tous
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13:23<chaskins_>Hello?
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13:33<jimpop>"Is there anybody out there?" FTFY
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13:39<Samus3000>hello! I'm new with Debian, and i've got a problem with Dual boot. The manager (when you have to choose which system to "launch") does not recognize Windows 10! How can i fix it? Actually, to use it i have to F12 at the startup to manually select it, it's not so pratical...thank you!
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14:20<amacater>Windows 10 and Debian - were they both installed using UEFI as the boot method?
14:21<Samus3000>i had to "reverse" it to legacy, otherwise the system would not allow me to boot from the CD to install debian
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14:22<Benjaminhusky>hey everyone
14:22<amacater>Windows first on the disK?
14:23<Samus3000>yes, Windows first
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14:24<Benjaminhusky>so,right now,i am going to be going through the process of installing Debian on the Dell Latitude laptops i had questions about,and i am wondering only one thing,does the mini.iso image come with nonfree formware for the wireless natworking card in these systems,or is there another image of similar size i could use?
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14:24<amacater>Samus3000: Reboot using Debian install media, select rescue mode, detect previously installed Debian, reinstall grub ...
14:26<rled>Hi Guiz! I'm back with my qemu related question? Has any of you my peoples idea why I get "command not found" when trying to launch qemu? Why is qemu not found in /usr/bin?
14:26<amacater>Benjaminhusky: There is unofficial media which includes non-free firmware. If you have the opportunity to install via Ethernet - install using the standard media and then add only the non-free firmware that you need
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14:26<Benjaminhusky>aah,okay then,thank you
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14:27<jmcnaught>dpkg: tell Benjaminhusky about firmware images
14:27<jmcnaught>Benjaminhusky: dpkg bot just messaged you with a link to the installer image with the firmware isos
14:27<Benjaminhusky>okay then
14:27<Benjaminhusky>it did indeed
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14:28<Benjaminhusky>jmcnaught,thank you sir,you have helped me greatley
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14:29<Benjaminhusky>opinion,the main website needs an easier way to get to the nonfree images
14:29<rled>Benjaminhusky: I'm with you!
14:30<jmcnaught>dealing with missing firmwares is quite well documented in the installation manual
14:30<amacater>Discussions going on as we type about how best to bring this together better : official images will probably never include or install non-free firmware
14:30<rled>The 'download Debian' totally needs a facelift.
14:30<amacater>Again: in progress
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14:31<Benjaminhusky>good to hear
14:31<rled>Please Guiz?! My question about qemu?
14:32<Benjaminhusky>but,barring a facelift,it would be nice if these companies collaborated with the free software community on how best to make thier hardware work with Linux
14:32<petn-randall>rled: with 'dpkg -L <packagename>' you can get a list of contents of that specific package. Hint: qemu is a meta-package.
14:32<amacater>There is discussion about producing a separate area of non-free firmware, hardware compliance etc.
14:33<Benjaminhusky>that would be a good step
14:34<amacater>Changes won't happen for Jessie installer but may for Stretch [which will be Debian 9 when eventually released]
14:34<Benjaminhusky>im looking forward to what this community has for us in the future
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14:39<rled>petn-randall: Some hundred years ago I used 'qemu-system-i386 image.img -m alot' to launch. What's changed? I find qemu only in /usr/share and qemu's libs in /usr/lib... No executable required, the future of software?
14:39<rled>...What am I not getting?
14:41<rled>Is it 'qemu-kvm'?
14:42<rled>I see qemu-system-x86 as installed.
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14:42<Samus3000>@amacater thanks, i will try :)
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14:44<rled>Why u guiz not tell me. I have to dis myself, and the pain it puts me in!
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14:52<Guest9>just make everything work
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15:22<whologin>well ive hit a wall
15:23<whologin>i realy have no idea what im doing
15:24<whologin>im going to have to study way more before I can call myself a linux user
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15:34<jmcnaught>whologin: hey how's it going? Feel free to ask if you need help with something :)
15:34<mmodx>I'm trying to get a FireBox touchscreen working - If I use serial, modprobe elo, and inputattach -elo6b I can get the screen to appear in /proc/bus/input/devices and xinput -list. However, the screen doesn't respond to any touch, nor under any /dev/* do I see output from cat or tail, nor does evtest show any streams for it. It _is_ usb, but there as well I have no luck (http://pastebin.com/WBnzzMEP). The evtouch driver isn't available,
15:34<mmodx>and the egalax/touchkit drivers the manufacturer provides is for older systems...I was able to manually build the kernel module...but the egalax_drv.so xorg module doesnt have source available. Anybody able to assist me to get this screen working?
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15:36<whologin>hey jm. good morning
15:36<mmodx>I'm not too familiar with drivers - but USB I think the issue may be something involving vendorId not being known by any drivers or debian
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15:36<mmodx>'201b'
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15:36<jmcnaught>whologin: two getting started guides i like to recommend are the debian-handbook and debian-reference. Both are available as packages you can install with apt-get (they will end up in /usr/share/doc) or you can read them online for free
15:36<mmodx>seems most egalax based touch screens are DWAV and '0eef'
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15:37<mmodx>and just for reference...it works flawlessly on windows (i.e. the screen isn't broken)
15:37<whologin>are they easy to understand for a newb?
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15:38<whologin>like would my 11yr old get it?
15:38<whologin>cus then I might have a chanve
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15:38<jmcnaught>whologin: yup. the debian-handbook is maybe a little easier
15:38<whologin>lol
15:38<whologin>the will is string but the mind is weak.
15:39<whologin>ya thats works. no correction needed
15:39<whologin>string is pretty strong
15:40<whologin>and snaps without much surprise.
15:40<whologin>im calling this neuropoetry
15:40<mmodx>or if there is a better channel to ask in, please let me know :)
15:41<whologin>ok so i can install debian from a flash drive, but it does not detect my usb wifi drivers on the secondary flash drive
15:41<whologin>and I even extracted the tar.gx first
15:42<whologin>err gz
15:42<whologin>thats funny "gz"
15:42<mmodx>whologin: if the wifi is not realtek or an open source driver, you need linux-firmware-nonfree - and to extract that to the root of the flashdrive you're installing from
15:42<whologin>k
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15:43<whologin>i looked at the non-free list and could not find mine
15:43<mmodx>what card are you using?
15:43<mmodx>or dongle*
15:43<whologin>i have this http://www.ncix.com/detail/tp-link-tl-wn725n-150mbps-nano-wireless-e9-74475-1602.htm
15:43<mmodx>ah tp links :)
15:44<whologin>and its works in other distros as soon as i plug it in. but not debian
15:44<mmodx>not sure if its a realtek, but my pc picked it up last night automatically...use the non-free package anyhow and see if it works
15:44<whologin>k
15:44<mmodx>(my dongle has non-free...so couldn't say for sure if that is what picked it up)
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15:45<mmodx>er lemme better phrase that. I have a tplink also (picked it up to try since it was low profile). My installer flash drive has the firmware-nonfree package...and picked it up automatically during install...not sure if it needed linux-nonfree package; but guessing it did.
15:45<mmodx>so id def recommend trying that
15:46<whologin>is it this ?
15:46<jmcnaught>whologin: have you tried using an installer image that has the firmwares already on it? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/
15:46<whologin>Package: firmware-realtek (0.36+wheezy.1)
15:46<whologin>no but i will
15:46<whologin>ty
15:46<mmodx>tplink is one of those companies which uses other ICs/Controllers; could be realtek...could be others
15:46<mmodx>whologin: you could follow jmcnaughts advice, or just use the whole collection: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/firmware-linux-nonfree
15:47<mmodx>those images that include it...are just the installer written to the drive...and the firmware collection has been added to the root of the flash drive
15:47<whologin>awsome
15:47<whologin>jm that link does not point to iso files
15:49<mmodx>whologin: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/debian-installer/ scroll down to the first yellow block with a stop sign
15:49<whologin>k
15:50<mmodx>the netinst image in that box includes the firmware images
15:50<whologin>hmm
15:50<whologin>i just dled [firmware-nonfree_0.43.tar.gz]
15:50<whologin>thats what i need?
15:50<mmodx>yea that's it, if you want to make it yourself
15:51<mmodx>yea
15:51<whologin>ok so now i just extract it to a flash drive and run the network detect part of the installer again ?
15:52<mmodx>in the root of the installer flash drive, root level (you'll see boot directory)...create 'firmware' and dump all the .debs into there
15:52<mmodx>then run the installer from that flash drive
15:52<jmcnaught>whologin: if that still doesn't work, use an installer image that already has the firmwares on it. Either follow mmodx's directions to find the yellow box, or use the link I gave you (hint: amd64/iso-cd)
15:52<whologin>oh ok
15:52<whologin>ok ill try both
15:52*whologin back away from the ledge
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15:54<whologin>learniong linux feels like cheating om my (windows) wife.
15:55<mmodx>I felt that way a couple years back...and before long I was getting sick to my stomach when I'd log into windows.
15:55<mmodx>it has its perks...but linux is definitely catching up (gaming, device support, etc). Don't give up, that's my advice :)
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15:58<mmodx>So I'm going to rephrase a question here, perhaps someone can answer: Is it right in thinking that when a USB device is plugged in, drivers are probed for vendor/product support - and if the Id's aren't found the device driver does not take the device? If that is so, is there a way to force a driver to take a vendor/product Id that is not ...erm...listed within the driver's files?
15:58<whologin>wt actual F
15:58<whologin>Filesystem does not support symbolic links
15:58<whologin>cant copy folder to flash drive
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15:59<jmcnaught>mmodx: you might be able to do what you need to with udev rules, but i'm far from expert level with udevadm
15:59<whologin>i tried to dran n drop the entire firmware_nonfree folder to the flash drive
16:00<mmodx>don't copy the folder, create a folder called 'firmware' in the root of the flash drive, and copy the (select all and ctrl+c) .debs within the extracted firmware package, to the 'firmware' directory on your drive (ctrl+v)
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16:00<mmodx>whologin: ^^
16:00<whologin>yup
16:00<whologin>im on it
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16:01<mmodx>if the .debs have the arrow icon (symlink), then download from here instead: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/jessie/current/
16:01<mmodx>they shouldn't though*
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16:02<mmodx>jmcnaught: thanks - I have tried a few hacks to accomplish that -> worked to get it showing up in xinput -list when using the serial interface, but no touch response what-so-ever
16:02<mmodx>(hacks = udev rules with some RUN+= commands)
16:03<mmodx>with USB nothing I try gets it to show up
16:04<mmodx>the closest I got was using the old egalax_drv.so xorg driver, but dmesg shows that there is an xorg version mismatch, and the xorg module source isn't free. I could try opengalax..but I'd have to modify it to work with usb instead of ps/2... trying to avoid doing that though
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16:05<mmodx>I have a funny feeling evtouch would work...but that's not available in jessie, unfortunately. And I'm probably wrong as usbtouchscreen or evdev probably encompass the old evtouch stuffs
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16:06<jmcnaught>mmodx: has it ever worked in linux?
16:07<mmodx>I just got the screen for $50.00 the other day, so not for me no. Though I imagine it would have back in etch or squeeze...FireBox vendor actually provided debian/ubuntu support
16:07<mmodx>but the support was for kernel 2.0/2.4/2.6
16:08<mmodx>http://www.fireboxdisplays.com/support_downloaddrivers.html
16:09<mmodx>and the latest egalax drivers don't include an xorg module...they only provide a daemon, a config utility, and some xorg classes (which leads me to believe egalax expects usbtouchscreen to work)
16:09<mmodx>I've emailed firebox and eeti, and have not heard back from either
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16:12<mmodx>hmm, this is it actually http://www.touchwindow.com/c/15InchUnytouch.html
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16:13<mmodx>well, gonna try their driver quick - will report back
16:13*mmodx crosses fingers
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16:42<StyXman>I'm using dhclient on eth0 and I'm not seing any request on the server or even with tcpdump on the client
16:43<StyXman>any ideas?
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16:47<somiaj>StyXman: how you are using dhclient on eth0?
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16:48<StyXman>sudo dhclient -4 -1 -d -v eth0
16:48<StyXman>but it seems that the nic is not seeing the link
16:48<StyXman>I see the link in the server but not on the client
16:49<StyXman>and even setting a static IP on the client I can't see the server
16:49<StyXman>so I'll check the cable
16:49<somiaj>StyXman: have you brought the link up first, 'ifconfig eth0 up' or similar with ip?
16:50<somiaj>StyXman: yea double check cable, check demsg to make sure firmware is loaded.
16:50<somiaj>depending on your setup it could matter if you have a cross-over cable or not.
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16:52<StyXman>well, it's 2 notebooks (server and client) which have been connected this way before
16:52<IdontReallywolf>hiho
16:52<StyXman>so I think they negotiate regardless of the cable
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16:53<StyXman>hmmm
16:53<StyXman>445767.679400] pci_pm_runtime_suspend(): e1000e_pm_runtime_suspend+0x0/0xc0 [e1000e] returns -16
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16:54<somiaj>StyXman: if you are connencting a computer straight to another computer sometimes you require a cross-over cable which is different than a straight cable. Most routers can detect and work with either, but straight connenction can be an issue.
16:54<somiaj>StyXman: again unsrue how well modern nics deal with this, I haven't done much with this in 10 years when cross-over cables were requird for pc to pc connenctions
16:55<somiaj>but there is an error you can look up to. (:
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16:56<StyXman>somiaj: I tend to remember that these NICs autonegotiated based on the cable
16:56<StyXman>but yes, it seems to be a suspend problem :(
16:56<amiconn>In fact that depends. For gigabit you don't need a crossover cable. Auto MDI-X is part of the gigabit ethernet standard (since it uses all 4 pairs bidirectionally anyway)
16:56<StyXman>ok, thanks for the input, I won't fix this today
16:57<StyXman>hmm, no gigabit cards here
16:57<StyXman>in fact one of them must be 8yo or so
16:57<StyXman>but I'm sryncíng at 26k/s via wifi (yes, that's too low, I know)
16:57<whologin>ok so im at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/i386/iso-cd/ but there are no iso files. just MD5 and SHA files. what do i do with these?
16:57<amiconn>For 100 mbps nics it depends. Some do support auto MDI-X, and some don't
16:57<somiaj>StyXman: could it be your drivers just aren't reocerving from supsupend and need to be removed and reloaded with modprobe?
16:58<StyXman>somiaj: let's see...
16:58<somiaj>amiconn: yea I am out dated here, gigabit nics were just comming out when I was last dealing with wires.
16:58<StyXman>gosh, ti's been years that I've done somethig like this :(
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16:58<somiaj>StyXman: modprobe -r modulename, then modprobe modulename
16:58<mtn>whologin, the last item looks like an iso file to me ;)
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17:00<whologin>but its a net inst
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17:00<somiaj>whologin: only the netinstalls come with non-free firmware included
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17:01<mtn>whologin, so it is. what is wrong with that?
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17:01<somiaj>whologin: there is a full base system on the image and it can download all other packages it needs from the internet once the base system is installed
17:01<StyXman>somiaj: yeah, thanks
17:01<StyXman>it seems to be a firmware problem
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17:02<somiaj>StyXman: if that fixes your issue, you can list the module name in /etc/pm-utils/ somewhere and it will be removed and reloaded during each suspend.
17:02<StyXman>now I got 446278.268590] e1000e: probe of 0000:00:19.0 failed with error -2
17:02<somiaj>StyXman: does rebooting fix the problem?
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17:02<whologin>ok but it does not see my mic
17:02<StyXman>somiaj: heeh :(
17:02<somiaj>StyXman: or did it never work? (just trying to see if the issue is due to suspending the laptop or something else)
17:03<StyXman>somiaj: as I said, it worked at least once before
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17:03<StyXman>but many kernel updates have come and gone since then
17:03<StyXman>in boths machines
17:03<whologin>the netinst does not detect and install my usb wifi
17:03<maru>BONSOIR
17:03<StyXman>probablY I didn't reboot since the last one
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17:04<somiaj>whologin: did you try the non-free firmware image? In many cases wifi cards need firmware. If that doesn't work you may have to give us more info on the chipset your card uses so we can see if it is upported.
17:04<jmcnaught>whologin: the regular netinst does not detect your wifi, or the unofficial firmware-including installer netinst does not detect it?
17:04<whologin>neither
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17:05<whologin>but ubuntu live does so. it exists
17:05<BenBE>Any chance for someone to NMU https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=780875 ... TIA.
17:05<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/780875 in mantis (open, fixed-upstream, security, upstream): «mantis: MantisBT <1.2.19 multiple vulnerabilities (Access control bypass/XSS/SQL injection/etc)»; severity: grave; opened: 2015-03-20; last modified: 2015-03-20.
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17:11<jmcnaught>whologin: so you actually tried getting a new firmware netinst image from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.1.0/amd64/iso-cd/ and it still does not work?
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17:11<whologin>yes
17:12<somiaj>whologin: can you get the chipset of the wifi card you are trying to get to work?
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17:14<whologin>TP-Link TL-WN725N 150Mbps Nano Wireless N USB 2.0 Adapter
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17:15<whologin>maybe this : rtl8188eu
17:15<whologin>pretty sure
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17:19<somiaj>whologin: it appears support for that device was added sometime between wheezy and jessie, so the jessie kernel + firmware-realtek should support that is the info I have found.
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17:20<whologin>k
17:20<whologin>so any current version should work
17:22<somiaj>whologin: from what you have shared that is what I'm getting. But there is a version 1 and version 2 of that device, it would help if you could provide the actual usbid and chipset
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17:23<whologin>what do i type in terminal to determine that?
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17:26<somiaj>whologin: lsusb
17:26<whologin>ok ill plug it in to this puter and find out
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17:30<whologin>k got it
17:30<whologin>Bus 002 Device 010: ID 0bda:8179 Realtek Semiconductor Corp.
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17:31<ph4nt0m>who is that succer who stieall my nick every where
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17:35<somiaj>whologin: https://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x#r8188eu -- according to this that device is supported in jessie with non-free firmware, so not sure what the issue is with bringing it up with out more info.
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17:37<whologin>is there a way i can install it from busybox?
17:38-!-mode/#debian [+l 728] by debhelper
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17:45<whologin>ok im downloading the full dvd install, hoping it has everything
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17:46<whologin>4 gigs will take me 10 mins so. fingers crossed
17:46<jmcnaught>whologin: the problem you have is missing firmwares. only special unofficial netinst installers include non-free firmwares. a full DVD is not going to include the firmwares.
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17:46<whologin>but i thought you siad it is supported?
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17:47<jmcnaught>whologin: someone else said above that it is supported by Jessie, but still requires a firmware
17:48<whologin>oh
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17:48<whologin>where are the drivers stored on the intall dvd image?
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17:49<whologin>maybe i can just implant it
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17:51<IdontReallywolf>how's it going ?
17:51<whologin>pretty good dude. you?
17:51<IdontReallywolf>Good, bro. I've got a question
17:51<whologin>dont we all :)
17:52<IdontReallywolf>I've created a channel here. Not sure if it will be UP all the time or shutdown later :P
17:52<IdontReallywolf>Ofc :D
17:52<whologin>hmm
17:52<markybob>IdontReallywolf, not a question and really off topic
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17:53<IdontReallywolf>So... If that's off topic. where do I get an answer to my question?
17:53<markybob>!offtopic
17:53<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
17:53<IdontReallywolf>any forums?
17:54<jmcnaught>whologin: can you try it again with http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.1.0/multi-arch/iso-cd/firmware-8.1.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ?
17:54<whologin>sure
17:54<amacater>Debian uses mailing lists and IRC rather than forums, in general
17:54<markybob>IdontReallywolf, just go to #debian-offtopic
17:55<whologin>this one is larger than the one i had. it was only like 285mb
17:55<whologin>damn i was wondering about that multi folder
17:55<whologin>i read about others mentioning it
17:55<IdontReallywolf>damn it!! Everyone is offline there
17:55<markybob>IdontReallywolf, try it on freenode. #debian-offtopic there too
17:56<jmcnaught>whologin: the one i linked to is for 64bit and 32bit computers. if you know that you only need 64bit, you need the amd64 image
17:56<jmcnaught>whologin: the 64bit one: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.1.0/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-8.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso
17:56<whologin>ic
17:57<Atm0spher1c>I'm using lvm booting into stable with stable-root stable-home stable-var tmp swap partitions. I added sid-root sid-home sid-var and installed sid with debootstrap into sid-root. I also added an fstab and kernel. update-grub2 saw the new install, and I can select it in grub (it even says /dev/mapper/lvm-sid) but it boots into the stable system. Any ideas?
17:57<whologin>as long as it has an efi/boot/ for me to paste boootia32.efi ill be able to boot it
17:57<whologin>minus one "o"
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17:57<jmcnaught>whologin: why do you need to do that?
17:57<amacater>whologin - what machine are you trying to install on?
17:58<whologin>asus x205ta
17:58<whologin>it never boot from flash drive without it
17:59<amacater>Aha - I know that one: http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Asus/T100TA should help enormously. Boot using the Debian multi-arch CD / DVD. It's a 32 bit UEFI but 64 bit capable CPU
18:00<whologin>sweet
18:00<whologin>thats what ive been hunting for
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18:01<amacater>Have done this: top tip - there are "two drives" - don't use the 8GB Windows recovery drive whiich is listed if you want to reinstall Windows at any time.
18:01<whologin>stupid atom processor
18:01<whologin>i have a win 10 flash drive for easy recovery so i can use the whole disk if i want
18:02<amacater>You may have some difficulty breaking through the UEFI to get access to disable Secure Boot to allow you to carry on.
18:02<whologin>its already disabled
18:02<amacater>Only if you've got a licence key / have upgraded that machine to Windows 10 and authenticated it - http://flosslinuxblog.blogspot.com
18:03<whologin>ya i have a legal valid licence
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18:03<whologin>the win media creation tool lets anyone create a win 10 boot usb
18:04<amacater>The 8GB is a second disk, I think, turns up as a "USB drive"
18:04<whologin>has iso's too
18:04<whologin>ya a win 10 install will kill that
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18:04<whologin>make the recovery drive only 450mb
18:04<whologin>makes$
18:05<whologin>makes*
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18:05<amacater>Win media tool relies on you updating that machine to then register it and get a valid licence key. Once you've done that, then you can install using media.
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18:06<amacater>This, however is off topic for this irc channel. About to do a post on Windows/Debian dual boot
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18:07<whologin>ok unetbootin is making my flash drive ready
18:07<amacater>Don't use unetbootin.
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18:08<amacater>Use an iso creator - there is a Linux USB creator which will allow you to put the entirety of the CD / DVD .iso onto the USB. If you have a Linux machine handy, just use dd to dd the .iso onto the stick
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18:09<amacater>For the avoidance of doubt, Live USB creator is a windows program
18:09<whologin>just what? dd? i havnt played that since the 80's dude
18:09<whologin>im on a cromebox/crouton/ubuntu 14.04
18:09<amacater>unetbootin causes more problems than it solves, sadly
18:10<whologin>oh
18:10<whologin>damn
18:10<amacater>grab the .iso file, use dd to write it directly to the stick ...
18:10<whologin>i changed all my puters to linux already
18:10<whologin>what is dd
18:10<whologin>!dd
18:10<dpkg>hmm... dd is an abbreviation for Debian Developer, or a utility for the low-level copying and conversion of raw data: man dd, dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a CD/DVD. See also <win32 dd>, <ddrescue>, <gddrescue>.
18:11<whologin>oh thats how that worls
18:11<whologin>works*
18:11<amacater>If the stick is recognised as /dev/sdb, say.
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18:12<whologin>seriously man if there isnt a gui im not going to be able to do it
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18:13<amacater>Example command follows:
18:13<amacater>insert USB stick and see what device it comes up as. On the machine here, it would probably come up as /dev/sdb
18:13<whologin>holy zhit the flash drive booted without my bootia32.efi
18:13<whologin>thatnks dude
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18:13<whologin>huge progress
18:14<amacater>That's the point, the .iso files can boot straight from the USB :)
18:14<whologin>no other distro did without my intervention
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18:14<whologin>smart ass
18:14<amacater>This is why I use Debian :)
18:14<whologin>:)
18:15<amacater>Good luck from here on in
18:15<whologin>i qualify myself as a consumer grade geek
18:15<whologin>if there is a manual and a tool i can figure it out
18:15<amacater>No, if you can install Linux, you're up there in the elite
18:15<whologin>with talented IRC ppl
18:16<markybob>whologin, yeah. you could've gone to https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb
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18:16<markybob>whologin, reading an FAQ helps
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18:16<whologin>i used to do phone unlocking and jailbreaking when that was a thing. even made a hackbook pro once from a dell 1525 POS
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18:17<whologin>k im gonna run this installer
18:17<GDi>hello excuse me. GUys is debian 7.8 still ok to use? Or do i run security risk w/ it?
18:18<amacater>For completeness: dd if=debian-8.1.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdb obs=1k
18:18<whologin>ok
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18:18<amacater>Debian 7.8 is fine - it's oldstable and should be supported fora while. 7.9 shoud be released within the next couple of weeks
18:18<whologin>im only 44% throuogh a code academy command terminal tutorial course. so i have a long way to go
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18:20<GDi>thanks amacater . Im also using old hardware, amd dual core , and probably its good thing using old software as well
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18:21<amacater>8.1 should also work - I've had it running here on a netbook with 2G of memory and a first generation i386 Atom but that is a bit end of life
18:21-!-heffay [~user@c-67-160-211-95.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #debian
18:21<amacater>This machine is AMD E-350 dual core
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18:25<GDi>this machine is the old athlon x2 5200+
18:25<GDi>lol
18:25<GDi>but still works fine.
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18:26<berettt>Hi guys, where can I find a log explaining the reason for a backport?
18:26<berettt>can't find any in bug reports
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18:26<amacater>More detail / what's the package?
18:27<berettt>amacater: package is i3 -> https://packages.debian.org/jessie-backports/i3
18:28<whologin>1st reboot
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18:28<markybob>berettt, just a new release. people like new things
18:28<whologin>its worke, but no gui
18:29<amacater>nologin: have you got a command line prompt?
18:29<whologin>it booted to (debian login:)
18:29<berettt>markybob: well you don't put new releases in backports just because its new right? isn't unstable supposed to be for this?
18:29<centrx>!sns
18:29<dpkg>Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
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18:30<markybob>berettt, you do
18:30<amacater>Run tasksel - make sure you install a Debian desktop environment.
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18:31<berettt>well, I thought Debian was more strict about that
18:32<GDi>on my debian 7.8, if i do apt-get install tor, it would just install the tor version on repository right?
18:32<GDi>but adding a line on the sources.list, would make it higher version?
18:33<centrx>?
18:33<amacater>It goes into unstable first, then into testing. At this point, a newer version of i3 will not go into Debian Stable at any point. Instead, the version in testing is offered as a backport for people wanting to try it out
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18:33<GDi>im looking at the torproject page right now. https://www.torproject.org/docs/debian.html.en
18:33<amacater>Suggestion: don't install from outside Debian repositories.
18:34<berettt>GDi you'll get a more recent version if you install from Tor Project repository, but the Tor package in Debian repos is maintained by Tor Devs themselves and is really stable.
18:34<GDi>i just wanted to know, whats the need of adding a non debian repo site on sources.list, is that ok to do?
18:34<GDi>ok
18:34<amacater>NO NO oh, and NO ...
18:34<centrx>GDi, It may have a newer version, but generally not advised
18:34<berettt>GDi, the Tor package in Debian still get many security fixes, so its pretty fine to use from Debian repo
18:35<centrx>GDi, backports is another repository, a Debian repository, that often has newer versions of packages
18:35<amacater>since the repositories aren't maintained by Debian, you can't be helped if it all goes pear shaped
18:35<GDi>Ok ill do it on repository instead, thanks, the SID version
18:35<amacater>Likewise, mixing Debian and Ubuntu PPA's and stuff. Try not to mix Debian release versions either.
18:35<centrx>oh dera
18:35<centrx>GDi, no wait
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18:36<centrx>GDi, That will upgrade your system to the unstable release
18:36<amacater>Add in sid to your list of repositories and you'll likely break everything. Unstable is unstable and doesn't mix with stable
18:36<GDi>oh. Ok
18:36<amacater>It goes Unstable -> Testing -> [Backports]
18:36<berettt>GDi what Debian are you using?
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18:37<GDi>well ill just try the normal repo then first
18:37-!-markus-k__________________ [~markus-k@p4FCCDD7D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #debian
18:37<amacater>Until the next stable release is released
18:37<GDi>wheezy 7.8
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18:37<GDi>berettt: i am coming from a non debian actually, coz they always say crunchbang is not debian
18:37<centrx>GDi, You can upgrade to the latest stable version of Debian, jessie 8.x
18:37<GDi>but it is really just 7.8 w/ some openbox configuration
18:37<GDi>it will break th ey say
18:38<amacater>Crunchbang is close to Debian but not guaranteed
18:38<centrx>GDi, because it's not Debian?
18:38<GDi>yes. because it was made for Crunchbang
18:38<GDi>so doing an upgrade to version 8
18:38<GDi>might break things
18:38<amacater>Strictly - debian derivatives are off topic here
18:38<GDi>and i have heard it
18:38<centrx>!crunchbang
18:38<dpkg>CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>.
18:39<GDi>yeah amacater i know. sorry. anyway. all about TOr ill just try the normal repo first.
18:39<berettt>GDi, if you want Tor, just "apt-get install tor"
18:39<GDi>thanks.
18:39<whologin>amacater. i am installing offline. can i still install a gui from the flash drive?
18:39<berettt>dont need to touch your apt sources lists
18:40<whologin>or, i am installed*
18:40<blast007>whologin: depends what ISO you used to make the flash drive. Was it the netinst image?
18:40<amacater>whologin: OK, you end up with a very minimal installation - command line only - because there isn't much space on the multi-arch to add all packages for everything.
18:40<whologin>the arch one
18:41<whologin>ok so what do i do now? anyone got a guide?
18:41<amacater>At this point, I burnt a DVD and used an external DVD drive to do an off line install.
18:41<amacater>using apt-cdrom add
18:42<amacater>Or connect to the 'Net and update the rest from the outside world
18:42<GDi>berettt: does debian also have tor browser? And is it available via apt-get too?
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18:42<whologin>ya i gotta get this tar.gz installed
18:42<whologin>to get my nic to work
18:42<amacater>What's the nic
18:43<whologin>rtl8188eu
18:44<amacater>You could try adding the firmware packages for firmware-realtek from non-free?
18:44<whologin>ya i have the files i just dont know what to do with them
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18:45<berettt>GDi: yes and no, Tor Browser Bundle is not available in the Debian repositories, its not available in any repository actually, you have to get it directly from the torproject.org website. Albeit, there is a package in Debian repos called "torbrowser-launcher" which takes care of downloading the TBB, install it at a specific location on your computer and verify the signatures: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/torbro
18:46<Arcade>you connected online whologin
18:46<Arcade>are you*
18:46<whologin>no
18:46<whologin>i am in irc form a different pc
18:46<Arcade>placing them on a flash drive should work
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18:46<whologin>then what do i do with them?
18:47<amacater>If you've got the .deb, wipe the USB stick, format it as vfat, put the .deb on and use dpkg -i *deb
18:47<whologin>how do i navigate to the usb?
18:47<Arcade>should scan it on setup
18:47<whologin>k
18:47<amacater>use the dmesg trick to find out where it is
18:47<whologin>k
18:48<amacater>if you have to mount it
18:48<amacater>mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /mnt or some similar command
18:49<berettt>GDi: btw you don't need to install "tor" if you only want to use the Tor Browser. Install "tor" only if you want to run a bridge/relay/exit node or if you need to route some specific traffic through tor.
18:49<amacater>You may find it will automount under /mnt/usb
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18:52*amacater says goodnight for now
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18:54<GDi>berettt: i noticed when i installed tor, i just use the 9050 and socks 5 setting on browser. i can able to browse w/ a tor address
18:55<GDi>my question is, is that also what tor browser is all about? SO why do i need to install tor browser
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18:55<berettt>GDi: its what Tor Browser does, but it does much more in term of security/privacy enhancing features
18:56<GDi>i see.
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18:58<berettt>GDi: Tor Browser is a fork of Firefox made for the purpose of browsing the web and .onions with the Tor protocol so that it tries its best to not leak any informations that could reveal your identity
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18:59<berettt>GDi: if you want to browse the web with Tor I really really really encourage you to use the Tor Browser Bundle
19:00<GDi>so what is my best option, i just want to install on repo
19:00<berettt>GDi what do you want to do?
19:00<GDi>tor browser bundle, the stable version
19:00<berettt>browse the web or host a relay?
19:00<GDi>i might do both
19:00<GDi>i also want to help serve as replay
19:01<GDi>relay*
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19:01<berettt>ok then you can install tor simply with "sudo apt-get install tor" (for your relay or whatever else you want to do with it)
19:01<GDi>i already did that.
19:01<berettt>then you can download Tor Browser Bundle from the website
19:01<GDi>after the download, how do i install it?
19:02<GDi>by the way, i dont want it to ruin my current iceweasel set up
19:02<berettt>it won't
19:02<berettt>TBB installs itself in a dedicated folder running in parallels
19:03<berettt>it won't interfere in any way with your other installed browser, even Firefox/Iceweasel
19:03<GDi>so is it just sudo apt-get install TBB ?
19:03<berettt>no
19:03<GDi>oops sorry. omit that question
19:03<berettt>as I said earlier its not in the repos, for Tor Browser Bundle you have to download it from the torproject.org website directly
19:04<GDi>what i mean is, after the download, how do i install the downloaded file, if its a .deb i know what to do, using dpkg
19:04<GDi>its a tar file.
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19:05<berettt>just uncompress it in your ~ folder
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19:05<GDi>and initiate it via terminal command?
19:06<berettt>you can, or by just clicking the shortcut icon :)
19:06<GDi>thanks
19:06<berettt>GDi: follow these instructions exactly: https://www.torproject.org/projects/torbrowser.html.en#linux
19:06<GDi>sorry for being too off topic now actually
19:06<whologin>i cant find a .deb of my nic driver just .bin files
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19:09<berettt>GDi: you should read the docs, it might be helpful: https://www.torproject.org/docs/documentation.html.en
19:09<berettt>everything is explained there
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19:09<whologin>am i doing this wrong?
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19:16<GDi>berettt: i am currently right now:) thanks
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19:31<p0wersploit>:((( https://archive.is/tGCkU
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19:34<Benjaminhusky>i am glad to report that all of the systems work perfectly
19:34<Benjaminhusky>thank you al for the help you provided
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19:49<Atm0spher1c>How do I add an entry to grub.cfg for another debian install?
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20:11<phillipsjk>when I try to run aumix I get "aumix: error opening mixer: No such file or directory"
20:11<phillipsjk>This is after swapping boards, so the audio hardware probably changed.
20:12<phillipsjk>I aslo have pulseaudio uninstalled.
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20:15<whologin>since no desktop envirnment is loaded after my arch install. caould i have manually added on to the install flash drive?
20:15<whologin>so it installed at the same time as the OS ??
20:15<wompa>whologin, your desktop environment in Debian?
20:16<whologin>yes
20:16<whologin>its just a bash shell or something
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20:17<whologin>and im offline
20:18<whologin>im on a diff pc right now
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20:19<blast007>whologin: the netinst CDs do not contain packages for any GUI, they just have a basic system included. If you had used CD1 or DVD1, you could have installed a GUI while offline.
20:20<whologin>but they wont boot my system
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20:20<blast007>why?
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20:20<whologin>arch is the only 64but installer with a 32bit laoder
20:20<blast007>are you talking about the multiarch ISO?
20:20<whologin>yes
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20:21<blast007>that's just a netinst that includes both 32-bit and 64-bit installation options
20:21<whologin>this is the first time ive had a worling persitant (non-live) distro running my my laptop
20:22<whologin>no blast its different
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20:22<whologin>if you read back you will see
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20:24<wompa>whologin, it seems like you didn't install a desktop environment to begin with. Also, I read "my arch install" as your Arch Linux install, but perhaps you meant something about which architecture you installed?
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20:26<whologin>oh
20:26<whologin>sorry
20:26<whologin>ill be more precise
20:26<whologin>cept not like "ubuntu" preicise :)
20:27<blast007>ah, okay, guess the multiarch ISO does take care of that situation
20:28<whologin>what i realy need is the .deb for my nic then i could dl and grab everything I need
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20:29<whologin>TL-WN725N aka: rtl8188eu
20:29<jmcnaught>whologin: if you run the command "dmesg | grep firmware" do you see a message about which firmware file could not be loaded?
20:29<whologin>ill try it
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20:31<whologin>there is no output
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20:31<jmcnaught>whologin: can you remove the usb wifi, plug it back in, and run the command again?
20:31<whologin>ok
20:32<whologin>same
20:32<whologin>it worked when i used a ubuntu live boot so i know it works
20:34<jmcnaught>whologin: is the device listed by "lsusb" ?
20:34<whologin>yes
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20:34<whologin>0bda:8179
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20:35<whologin>i need to install a driver for it and dont know how
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20:36<jmcnaught>whologin: the driver is included in the kernel, but requires a firmware to be loaded on the wifi chip before it will work. I don't know why there are no firmware messages in the dmesg output.
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20:37<jmcnaught>whologin: are you able to connect this computer via ethernet for a few minutes?
20:37<whologin>it has no ethernet
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20:38<whologin>asus x205ta
20:38<jmcnaught>oh cool
20:38<whologin>or id be done already :)
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20:38<jmcnaught>whologin: this page on the wiki has information about your card: https://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x
20:39<whologin>ok
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20:39<jmcnaught>whologin: it says that the firmware you need is in the firmware-realtek package. You can download that on another computer and put it on a usb stick from here: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-realtek_0.43_all.deb
20:40<whologin>ty so much dude
20:40<whologin>i hunted all over looking for that
20:40<whologin>then i use that dkpg thing to install it?
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20:41<jmcnaught>whologin: let us know if you need help mounting the USB stick on the debian computer, then use "dpkg -i firmware<TAB>" to install
20:41<jmcnaught>(where <TAB> represents using auto-complete)
20:41<whologin>ya i have no idea how to mount the usb
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20:42<whologin>if you paste me a link ill read it and figure it out
20:43<whologin>having the .deb will be the key for me
20:43<whologin>yo i rhymed
20:43<jmcnaught>whologin: there's a "lsblk" command to list storage devices. Run it before inserting the stick, then run it again, you'll see a new one listed like "/dev/sdc1" (it could be different)
20:44<jmcnaught>whologin: you'll take that new device name, and do a command like "mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt" (with the appropriate device)
20:44<finchd>yep, /mnt is kept empty for that purpose
20:45<whologin>cool
20:46<jmcnaught>whologin: once it's mounted you can "cd /mnt" and then use "dpkg -i ...." to install the package. Then "cd" to get out of the directory, and "umount /mnt" to unmount the stick. Note only one 'n' in umount
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21:05<mohammad-ghasemi>I've dual booted windows with debian. How can I make windows the default selection
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21:15<Brigo>mohammad-ghasemi, editing GRUB_DEFAULT=0 and changing 0 by the line of windows ( 0 is the first one)
21:15<Brigo>mohammad-ghasemi, then run update-grub for write the changes to the MBR.
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21:19<mohammad-ghasemi>Brigo where is it?
21:20<Brigo>mohammad-ghasemi, /etc/default/grub
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21:20<Brigo>sorry, i thought i had wroten it :)
21:21<Brigo>s/wroten/written
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21:21<mohammad-ghasemi>Brigo thank you!
21:21<Brigo>mohammad-ghasemi, np :)
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21:38<mith_>anyone can indicate me a link to configurate a wifi device Qualcom Atheros AR242x/AR542x ?
21:39<babyfoxy>for linux debian jessie 8.1 is the application "dictionary" my spell checker?
21:39<mith_>it doesn't work
21:41<mith_>on a compaq cq50-112BR
21:42<Brigo>mith_, did you try the wiki? https://wiki.debian.org/ath5k
21:44<mith_>hi Brigo there is no suggestion on this link... only that the system should recognize it
21:45<Brigo>mith_, and your system doesn't recognize it?
21:45<mith_>nope
21:45<mith_>the system recognize it
21:45<mith_>but doesn't work
21:46<Brigo>mith_, why not? did you try configure it by yourself? are you using network-manager?
21:46<babyfoxy>i'm finding dictionary, aspell, and ispell all came default, anyone know which is priority? or how i would change priority? or what i see when i right click i misspelled word? ^(@.@)^
21:46<Brigo>babyfoxy, maybe update-alternatives.
21:47<babyfoxy>to change priority?
21:47<babyfoxy>or
21:47<babyfoxy>just update them
21:47<Brigo>babyfoxy, change priority.
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21:51<mith_>Brigo, yes, but I believe that I must modify something in the bios
21:51<Brigo>mith_, are this a laptop?
21:52<babyfoxy>bringo <(^.^<) i search engined "debian jessie update alternatives change priority" i can't find the command prompt codes to do that
21:52<mith_>yep, compaq CQ50-112BR
21:52<babyfoxy>do you know them?
21:53<zykotick9>Brigo: re:babyfoxy i don't see an alternative for spell checker in update-alternatives...
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21:53<Brigo>babyfoxy, i just found select-default-ispell
21:54<whologin>jm you still here?
21:54<Brigo>mith_, then i don't know about your laptop.
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21:54<Brigo>mith_, i would like to check some things. Can you run iwconfig in a console?
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21:55<babyfoxy>update alternatives select-default-ispell
21:55<babyfoxy>bash: update: command not found
21:55<mith_>Brigo, in this moment I have not with me the laptop
21:55<Brigo>babyfoxy, then you should miss any packages.
21:55<babyfoxy>did i type that right?
21:55<babyfoxy>but it's in my package manager
21:55<babyfoxy>ispell is there
21:55<Brigo>mith_, then i cannot help you, :(
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21:56<finchd>'update-alternatives' ?
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21:56<Brigo>babyfoxy, select-default-ispell
21:56<Brigo>babyfoxy, it's a command.
21:56<babyfoxy>thank you finchd
21:56<login>nklç
21:57<finchd>I found with 'apropos alternatives'
21:57<babyfoxy>update-alternatives select-default-ispell
21:57<babyfoxy>update-alternatives: error: unknown argument `select-default-ispell'
21:57<mith_>Brigo, thank you for yout attention, no problem =)
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21:57<Brigo>mith_, ask again with your laptop handy :)
21:58<mith_>ok, thx Brigo
21:58<Brigo>babyfoxy, you allway can just unistall one.
21:58<Brigo>mith_, np :)
21:58<babyfoxy>but what if i break something i don't know about @.@
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21:58<babyfoxy>ispell said it used everything and aspell said it's better than ispell
21:58<babyfoxy>and ispell said everyone uses it by default
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21:59<Brigo>babyfoxy, uninstall packages does not break the system.
21:59<babyfoxy>a program or something
21:59<finchd>Brigo: most of the time...
21:59<Brigo>babyfoxy, i have both installed, don't know which one i am using, who cares? :)
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22:00<Brigo>finchd, uninstall packages dosen't break the system. Why do you say that?
22:00<finchd>you can still get into dependency-hell
22:01<themill>only if you have a very strange definition of dependency hell
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22:01<finchd>though the language-packs typically don't
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22:01<babyfoxy>it never gives me as good of an answer as windows use to but i didn't want to believe i couldnt make it better than windows u.u
22:01<Brigo>that is not brake the system, anyway.
22:01<babyfoxy>so i wanted to make it better =)
22:02<babyfoxy>i misspell stuff a lot, i use it a lot
22:02<Brigo>time for bed. Bye all and good luck :)
22:02<abrotman>break?
22:02<babyfoxy>nuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
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22:02<babyfoxy>dont leave me!!!
22:03<Brigo>break*
22:03<finchd>apparently I have aspell and enchant installed, but i've never used either. only use whatever firefox has builtin
22:03<Brigo>babyfoxy, there are plenty of helpfull guys here :)
22:03<babyfoxy>i gota probluuum m(x.x)m
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22:20<GDi>hello
22:20<GDi>excuse me guys
22:20<GDi>im on debian 7.8 (old-stable)
22:20<GDi>i want to use a higher version of openVPN
22:20<GDi>is it possible?
22:21<GDi>the one w/ TLS version 1.2
22:21<GDi>all versions of openvpn from wheezy backports are old
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22:21<GDi>Hello
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22:24<themill>At some stage when you want to have newer versions of packages, the answer is to run a release newer than oldstable
22:24-!-michael_ [~michael@adsl-75-34-17-80.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #debian
22:25<themill>, checkbackport openvpn --torelease wheezy
22:25<judd>Backporting package openvpn in sid→wheezy/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy-backports, archignore, wheezy.
22:25-!-Raiz [~raiz@00020a02.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian
22:25<themill>you should also be able to build a newer backported package if you want; /msg dpkg ssb
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22:36<Raiz>jessie
22:36<Raiz>dpkg jessie
22:36<dpkg>Jessie is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 8, released on 2015-04-25: http://www.debian.org/News/2015/20150426 . Jessie is the cowgirl in Toy Story 2. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianJessie and ask me about <install jessie> <release notes> <wheezy->jessie>. Currently <8.1>.
22:36<Raiz>dpkg wheexy->jessie
22:36<dpkg>wish i knew, Raiz
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22:43<abrotman>Raiz: feel free to msg the bot
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22:52<GDi>themill: ive been following a tuturial on how to install http://http.debian.net/debian/pool/main/o/openvpn/openvpn_2.3.4-5.dsc on my old wheezy machine
22:53<GDi>up until he said to me, "give me a second, since you're building it from source I will give you my patch which fixes a bug I have discovered yesterday"
22:53<GDi>i wonder, maybe i should cancel that and use backports version instead
22:53<GDi>the problem is i need to have a TLS version 1.2 of openVPN
22:53<GDi>so that i can use a certain confugration for openvpn
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22:56<GDi>last command i did was --> dpkg-source --no-check -x openvpn_2.3.4-5.dsc
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23:30<GDi>hmmm no one helping
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23:45<ixi>,v openvpn
23:45<judd>Package: openvpn on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.1.3-2+squeeze2; squeeze-security-lts: 2.1.3-2+squeeze3; squeeze-backports: 2.2.1-3~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2.2.1-8+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 2.2.1-8+deb7u3; wheezy-backports: 2.3.2-7~bpo70+2; jessie: 2.3.4-5; sid: 2.3.7-1; stretch: 2.3.7-1
23:45<ixi>GDi wheezy backports has 2.3.2
23:52<GDi>it still failed on me
23:52<GDi>i want the jessie version
23:52<GDi>but there is no backports for that specific package yet
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23:52<GDi>the 2.3.4-5
23:53<GDi>the vpn configuration has errors, if i use the older than 2.3.4-5 versions
23:53<GDi>it says version TLS 1.2 is needed
23:53<GDi>i just wanted to know if i can install version 2.3.4-5 version of openVPN on debian 7 (wheezy)
23:55<GDi>i tried adding a backport on jessie, and apt-get the package. it just installs the older 2.2.1-8+deb7u3
23:55<GDi>i tried 2.3.2-7~bpo70+2
23:55<GDi>it also failed to run my config
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23:56<finchd>well TLS is provided by gnutls or openssl packages right? so do you need newer of either of them (or both)?
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23:58<GDi>only opevpn
23:58<GDi>im not sure if TLS is also needed to be updated
23:59<GDi>the only thing im needing is openvpn
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