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---Logopened Mon Aug 31 00:00:26 2015
00:01<GDi>Options error: Unrecognized option or missing parameter(s) in /etc/openvpn/respi.conf:7: tls-version-min (2.2.1)
00:01<GDi>thats the error i got
00:02<GDi>Options error: Unrecognized option or missing parameter(s) in /etc/openvpn/respi.conf:7: tls-version-min (2.3.2)
00:02<GDi>also that.
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00:03<GDi>on both wheezy versions. The original and backports
00:03<GDi>thats if i typed --> sudo openvpn --config /etc/openvpn/respi.conf
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00:14<finchd>so what version does your openvpn say it is? the 2.3.2-7 from backports or?
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00:24<phillipsjk>After testing with a Knoppix live DVD and finding the audio STILL did not work: I read the fine manual for the motherboard (that I was lucky enough to find online). Apparently it uses the AC'97 standard rather than the newer HD audio standard (the case supports both)
00:24*phillipsjk TL;DR: audio works now
00:26<phillipsjk>Incidentally the proprietary NV drivers are able to run tuxracer 5x faster than the nouveau drivers :P
00:26<GDi>im using the backport version 2.3.2-7. yes
00:26<GDi>i just want to know. how to run a .conf file on it
00:26<finchd>so it isn't new enough for your config, and you want a newer openvpn without upgrading to jessie?
00:27<GDi>maybe there are things i need to know first. should i make a key first? on client side?
00:27<GDi>yes finchd . exactly
00:27<GDi>and i also do not know if i needed a newer version
00:27<GDi>maybe the error i got , means a different problem
00:27<GDi>not newer version
00:27<finchd>i think you make new users & keys on the server, that's how the guide I followed did it
00:27<GDi>that i want to verfiy
00:28<GDi>finchd: this is the .conf file i had
00:28<GDi>its actually open for everyone,..
00:28<finchd> is the one I used, I think.
00:28<GDi>and i have a user shell on that server
00:29<GDi>i dont think puting that file, and renameing it with .conf and loading openvpn would start it
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00:29<GDi>i think i need another steps
00:29<GDi>like creating keys maybe
00:31<finchd>GDi: it should take the config with .ovpn or .conf just fine
00:31<finchd>does that file mention a particular key
00:31<GDi>it has keys inside
00:31<GDi>i dunno.
00:32<GDi>so you mean, even with that filename, and not renaming it to .conf, would work?
00:34<GDi>oh the stupid guy who is teaching me is leading me the wrong way
00:34<finchd>my .conf says in it "on Windows, you may need to rename this file to a .ovpn extension"
00:35<GDi>i tried now. there is no error
00:35<finchd>ditto for the .ovpn my uni gives out
00:35<GDi>hmmm weird. for a minute ok:) i want to test something.
00:35<finchd>though if is mentions a "ca /path/to/file" you've got to have that
00:36<finchd>really, you typically need a .crt a .key and a .conf/.ovpn
00:36<finchd>crt to verify the remote is who you think it is, .key to prove you have something you should, and .conf tells the client about #1 and #2 and settings
00:37<GDi>i only have the last. which is .ovpn
00:37<GDi>its my first time here, to use opvn by the way:)
00:38<finchd>you're probably good then, just use password auth until you get a good guide to making SSL/TLS Certs (the .crt) and the vpn key
00:38<finchd>I set mine up from a guide, and it sorta works so I haven't messed with it
00:38<GDi>i restarted openvpn, w/o errors
00:39<GDi>but how do i check if im already using it?
00:39<GDi>i see
00:39<GDi>ok i will read the guide first before annoying you:)
00:41<GDi>oh its working
00:41<GDi>when i run irssi on my machine
00:41<GDi>it refers to localhost
00:42<GDi>but i cant connect
00:42<GDi>i have a router thats not allowing ports
00:42<GDi>i mean
00:42<GDi>if you scan my ip via outside, or nmap my ip
00:42<GDi>you will see no open ports
00:42<GDi>but i have port 80 and 22 open
00:43<GDi>is this an issue to openVpn setup?
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00:44<phillipsjk>GDi what ISP are you using? My ISP blocks port 80 for residential customers.
00:45<GDi>err im in the philippines
00:45<GDi>PLDT dsl that is
00:45<GDi>mydsl PLDT
00:45<phillipsjk>not familliar with it ;)
00:45<GDi>i think by default, our home routers are blocked
00:45<GDi>unless i configure it
00:45<GDi>so my question is, is that an issue if i wanted to use an openVPN setup?
00:46<GDi>are blocking ports.
00:46<GDi>hmm ok
00:46<GDi>but when i nmap localhost
00:46<GDi>i see port 80 and the tor ports as well
00:47<phillipsjk>The defualt OpenVPN port is 1194 UDP, but you can change that if you want.
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00:48<phillipsjk>You router would have to forward that port for access from the outside.
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00:48<phillipsjk>Your ISP *probably* does not block that one.
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00:49<GDi>phillipsjk: how could i verify openvpn setup is working on me
00:49<GDi>i loaded it w/o error
00:50<GDi>and the configuration file is already on the openvpn folder
00:50<GDi>i expect when i irssi for example, i would see my openvpn ip, and not my local
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00:54<phillipsjk>I assumed you were setting up your own OpenVPN server. Are you trying to use a third-party OpenVPN server?
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00:55<phillipsjk>If everything is forwarded through the tunnel, you should appear to be using the IP of the computer hosting the VPN.
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00:57<GDi>yes im using this one -->
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00:57<GDi>should i still need to create an easy-rsa folder for that?
00:57<GDi>they just told me, just copy that file, and put it on openvpn folder, and start openvpn
00:57<GDi>and thats it
00:58<GDi>but someone told me, i needed to generate a client cerfificate first
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01:02<phillipsjk>just 3 yeard ago I was writing tutorials on how to do that...
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01:05<GDi>gdi@deathstar:/etc/openvpn$ sudo openvpn --config config_respi.ovpn
01:05<GDi>Options error: Unrecognized option or missing parameter(s) in config_respi.ovpn:7: tls-version-min (2.3.2)
01:06<GDi>Use --help for more information.
01:06<GDi>it should be asking for user/pass of the shell i had on that server
01:06<GDi>but it just returned that..
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01:13<whologin>hello all
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01:13<phillipsjk>for my tutorial tested with an old version of Gnusense, I installed a VPN supporting version of network-manager (network-manager-openvpn package)
01:15<phillipsjk>ooh, have notes on "hard way" (CLI) too.
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01:17<phillipsjk>GDi you do need a VPN key in the same directory as your configuration file. Your VPN provider may have generated it for you if you have secure e-mail set up.
01:18<phillipsjk>For running openvpn in a terminal, I found I had to use root. not sure how necessary that is.
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01:25*phillipsjk is kinda glad he looked that up.. was going to wipe the drive I found it on.
01:27<whologin>hello friends
01:27<whologin>anyone wanna help me install a driver from cmd?
01:27<whologin>some kind of post install bash shell matbe?
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01:30<whologin>ive mounted the usb flash frive but can navigate it
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01:30<LaughingMan01>Hey guys
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01:31<LaughingMan01>new member to kali linux
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01:31<whologin>is kali a debian flavor?
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01:32<LaughingMan01>I think so I am new to linux since Windows 10 is not gonna work out
01:32<LaughingMan01>only for steam games
01:32<dpkg>Kali Linux ( is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on or . Also ask me about <based on debian>.
01:32<LaughingMan01>I decided Kali Linux to be my first linux
01:33<LaughingMan01>I need to get used to this
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01:33<LaughingMan01>anyone ther
01:34<phillipsjk>This is a support, not a chat channel.
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01:35<whologin>laughingman01 can you assist me?
01:35<LaughingMan01>lol oh nevermind sorry
01:35<LaughingMan01>first time using xchat
01:35<phillipsjk>who blkid will tell you what devices have what filesystem
01:35<LaughingMan01>you guys actually do support for free?
01:36<phillipsjk>LaughingMan01, volunteer support, which is why we focus on only one distro.
01:36<LaughingMan01>damn Debian
01:36<whologin>i can see me usb at /dev/sdb1
01:36<whologin>and ive mounted it
01:37<phillipsjk>whologin, mount /dev/devnamepoartnumber /mnt
01:37<whologin>how do i find the drive i put on it?
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01:37<whologin>when i ls it its blank
01:37<phillipsjk>ls /mnt (or where ever you mounted is
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01:38<phillipsjk>don't forget to use umount later.
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01:49<ryouma>what is the best intel graphics that is well-supported by debian for i5 chips?
01:50<whologin>ok i ran the .deb. now how to i know if my nic works? its not flashing
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02:08<whologin>anyone know where i can dl kde_standard .deb ?
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02:11<phillipsjk> according to the search box in that is not a package
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02:12<phillipsjk>oh, '-' not '_'
02:13<whologin>ok im trying to install a gui after netinst left me with a blinking cursor
02:13<whologin>so lost ...
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02:15<phillipsjk>do you have network access?
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02:16<phillipsjk>The point of the net install is that you get enough of an installation to install everything else.
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02:17<whologin>ya but im not online
02:17<whologin>no network access
02:17<whologin>i ran the .deb for my nic
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02:19<dpkg>Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. . See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>.
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02:20*phillipsjk usually does it in a more convoluted way...
02:20<whologin>ok ty ill read
02:20<phillipsjk>the majic phrase may be "ifup -a"
02:21<whologin>-bash: ifup: command not found
02:21<phillipsjk>eh, that's what I get for trusting a factoid :P
02:22<whologin>multi-arch is the first distro that rebooted after install
02:23<whologin>great start so far
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02:23<whologin>feel like i have a newborn, gotta teach it everything
02:24<whologin>also phuk EUFI
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02:25<whologin>i migh just go buy a debian approved nic in the morning
02:25<whologin>do you know of one?
02:26<phillipsjk>you saying you jsut restarted the computer? That should just use DHCP if the driver is installed. (But rebooting is like, cheeting or something)
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02:26<whologin>i dont understand
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02:27<whologin>how can i test if my nic is working?
02:27<phillipsjk>you should have a base system installed, no?
02:27<whologin>no gui
02:27<phillipsjk>"/shin/ifconfig/" should list your adapters.
02:27<whologin>and i think i manualy installed my nic
02:27<phillipsjk>if there is an IP address, it should work.
02:28<phillipsjk>If you manually set a static address, you need to set the default route as well.
02:29<whologin>-bash: /shin/ifconfig no such file or directory
02:30<phillipsjk> */sbin/
02:31<phillipsjk>no trailling slash either
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02:32<whologin>ok changed to sbin
02:33<whologin>looks like some info
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02:33<whologin>link encap blah blah
02:33<whologin>inet addr:
02:33<phillipsjk>that is for "lo"
02:34<phillipsjk>local host
02:34<phillipsjk> it is a virtual network adapter
02:34<whologin>so not my nic?
02:34<phillipsjk>did you install a base install on disk yet?
02:35<whologin>im on a deff pc now
02:35<phillipsjk>I may be easyiest to just restart the machine and have DHCP do it's magic.
02:35<whologin>i have restarted
02:35<whologin>but i have to connect to my router right?
02:36<phillipsjk>unless the adapter is wireless
02:36<whologin>it is
02:36<whologin>no ethernet port on this thing
02:37<whologin>wifi only
02:37<dpkg>Wi-Fi Protected Access (WPA) is a wireless encryption standard. A WPA supplicant for Debian systems is in the wpasupplicant package, read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz to configure (especially "Troubleshooting" for association to hidden SSIDs). Since Debian 7 "Wheezy", it is possible to install Debian over a WPA-protected network.
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02:38<whologin>ok cool
02:39<phillipsjk>I did that once and learned the adapter would drop off the network after receiving too much data. Maybe yours is better :)
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02:40<whologin>ok these instructions say i need aptitude. but i dont seem to have that
02:40<whologin>to get wpa supplicant
02:41<jmcnaught>whologin: just use apt-get
02:41<phillipsjk>apt-get install should work
02:41<GDi>< phillipsjk> GDi you do need a VPN key in the same directory as your configuration file. Your VPN provider may have generated it for you if you have secure e-mail set up.
02:42<GDi>the key is already on the .opvn configuration that i showed u. so i did not need a key anymore
02:42<whologin>tried "apt-get aptitude" returned e: invalid operation aptitude
02:42<phillipsjk>you should not share that publicly then.
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02:42<GDi>all it needs is user/pass from a shell
02:42<GDi>its available publicly
02:43<GDi>its even on the topic of the servers irc channel on freenode
02:43<GDi>the thing is, you need a shell access to use it
02:43<jmcnaught>whologin: "apt-get install wpasupplicant" (apt-get replaces aptitude in the command)
02:45<whologin>same thing?
02:45<phillipsjk>GDi huh, better use a strong password then. (sounds like they are not doing client authentication)
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02:46<phillipsjk>whologin, yes, one "problem" with debian is having 5 tools to do the same thing.
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02:46<whologin>Package 'wpa supplicant' has no instllation candidate
02:47<whologin>im try to determine if i installed my nic correctly
02:47<phillipsjk>no space
02:47<whologin>ya i typed it with no space
02:48<phillipsjk>whologin, "dmesg | grep wlan"
02:48<whologin>no output
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02:48<phillipsjk>hmm, not a good sign.
02:49<whologin>thought i was good
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02:50<whologin>i used the .deb you guys pasted earlier
02:50<phillipsjk>dmesg list all the past kernel messages, and the grep command was looking for lines preceded by "wlan"
02:50<phillipsjk>I assume you went through lsusb to figure out what the chip was.
02:51<whologin>confirmed by others installing on my model
02:52<whologin>realtek 0bda:8179
02:52<jmcnaught>whologin: earlier you got instructions for installing the firmware-realtek package for your usb wifi device
02:52<whologin>just double checked too
02:52<whologin>ya i did that
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02:53<whologin>ran it with dpkg
02:53<whologin>completed with no errors
02:53<jmcnaught>whologin: if you unplug and replug the device then run dmesg after, are there any messages that look relevant?
02:54<whologin>that did something that time
02:54<whologin>pages and paged of colored stuff flew by
02:55<phillipsjk>that is normal without the filter
02:55<jmcnaught>the most recent stuff is at the bottom, is there anything about your wlan?
02:55<phillipsjk> the pipe (|) to grep
02:56<jmcnaught>whologin: "journalctl --since -2m" will also show you the last 2 minutes of the system journal
02:57<whologin>what filter can i add to only show nic info?
02:58<whologin>oh zhit i see my nic info
02:59<whologin>usbcore: blah
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02:59<whologin>module is from the staging directory you have been warned
03:00<whologin>wgat a jerk
03:00<jmcnaught>whologin: it's probably best if you can show us the whole section on
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03:02<whologin>what take a pick with my phone?
03:02<phillipsjk>or redirect to a file on your USB stick.
03:02<whologin>ya that could take all night
03:02<whologin>i can use my phone now
03:03<whologin>where is this log you spoke of?
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03:03<jmcnaught>whologin: is your wlan listed by "iwconfig" ?
03:03<whologin>it says logs begin at..................
03:03<phillipsjk> you can redirect output to a file wtiht the '>' character (then, unmount, etc)
03:03<whologin>your funny
03:04<whologin>bash: iwconfig command not found
03:04<phillipsjk> "/sbin/iwconfig"
03:06<whologin>no such file or directory
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03:09<whologin>new usb device found idvendor-0dba idproduct:8179
03:09<whologin>product:802.11 nic
03:09<whologin>product:802.11n nic
03:09<whologin>its there
03:10<whologin>cant help thinking this would all be easier if i could install a gui from a flash drive
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03:14<whologin>or if i could boot something in live mode
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03:15<phillipsjk>I believe Debian does have a live CD
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03:16<whologin>so ya i found my nic
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03:22<whologin>thought id scared you off
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03:22<whologin>your nerd powers are nothing against my newb-fu
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03:24<jmcnaught>whologin: if you don't have iwconfig installed, you're going to need the package wireless-tools (and its dependencies), and also wpasupplicant installed before you can connect to wifi. It might be easier to retry with the installer, and start a shell on a different console to get your wifi working during the installation
03:24<jmcnaught>whologin: i'm going to bed, good luck :)
03:25<whologin>and ty
03:25*phillipsjk needs sleep too.
03:26<whologin>ty for the education guys
03:26<whologin>might be easier to by a recognized nic tommorow
03:26<phillipsjk>Good luck.
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03:27<phillipsjk>I went as far as to buy a wireless bridge to handle wireless for me. Wired driver support is generally good/hassle free.
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03:28<phillipsjk>came in handy for setting up my room-mate's printer too: I could set up the wireless with the "web page" instead of the finicky front-panel.
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03:47<PaulePanter>Hi. Is there a standard directory for backups? Does the FHS define something for that?
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03:47<PaulePanter>If not, I’d use `/srv/backups`.
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03:49<phillipsjk>you don't truly have back-ups until they are offline, off-site and verified.
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03:50*phillipsjk does not meet that standard yet for most of his data
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04:14<twb>Is there a way to make /usr/lib/xscreensaver/phosphor use amber instead of green?
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04:15<Ironhand>hello, is it possible to set up a Debian Jessie system to proxy IPv6 neighbour requests for a full subnet, rather than just individual hosts added through 'ip neighbour add'? basically the equivalent of IPv4's proxy_arp
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04:17<Raiz>why the hell is debian packaging system is so complicated??
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04:17<peter1138>because packaging is complicated
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04:25<twb>Raiz: if you want to vent, try #emacs of #offtopic. If you have a specific packaging issue you need help with, try #debian-mentors.
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04:36<Gabriel_7>Ironhand, last time I checked it was not possible.
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04:39<Ironhand>Gabriel_7: that's a shame, thanks for the info though... strange, you'd think this was a pretty common thing for people to need
04:39<Gabriel_7>Why do you need it?
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04:41<Ironhand>I've got a /64 with a dedicated server I'm renting, and I want to use a particular /72 for a bridged network of virtual machines, ideally without having to add each individual guest address to a script on the host machine
04:42<Ironhand>(so basically just delegating a particular subnet that's assigned to me)
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04:44<Gabriel_7>I guess, you can't ask the people you rent your server to just add a route "ip -6 route add $range/72 via $some_gw".
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04:45<Ironhand>the thought of using radvd to advertise my subnet crossed my mind but I get the strong impression that one's not supposed to use that on a more "public" network
04:45<Ironhand>Gabriel_7: theoretically, but I don't think they'll do that (it's OVH, too large to support such custom solutions I'm assuming)
04:46<Ironhand>I did find this: and this:
04:47<Gabriel_7>Ironhand, what does "ip -6 addr" look like?
04:47<Ironhand>but both look quite unmaintained
04:48<Ironhand>br0 is the virtual network containing the VMs
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04:52<Gabriel_7>Yes, I guess you'd need a dedicated software then.
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04:53<Ironhand>appears that way... maybe I should just try to figure out how well either of the two daemons still work and try to create a debian package out of the better of the two
04:53<Ironhand>either that or create some nasty script to add the appropriate neighbours on the host...
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04:54<Ironhand>either way, thanks for your input
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05:33<peter1138>11.5GB disk space needed to build a kernel ;(
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05:39<SynrG>building a kernel anywhere that this is a hardship probably means you chose the wrong system to do your build :p
05:39<SynrG>consider building it elsewhere :)
05:39<SynrG>you don't necessarily need to build on the target system
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05:40<temp53245>Hello everybody.
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05:40<temp53245>Could you please help me? I would like Polkit to prompt for _root_ password, not _user_ password.
05:41<temp53245>On archwiki I found the following advice: create /etc/polkit-1/rules.d/49-nopasswd_global.rules and put the following into it:
05:41<temp53245>However, it doesn't work on my Debian Stable system. Polkit still prompts for user password.
05:41<temp53245>What should I do?
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07:20<fanto666>hello, I'm upgrading to jessie, have nvidia kernel, X and vdpau drivers installed but vdpauinfo says "Failed to open VDPAU backend cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory". do I need to configure or manually symlink spomewhere?
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07:24<jelly>fanto666: you shouldn't have to do that. Which arch are you using?
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07:25<jelly>fanto666: alright, using packaged nvidia and vdpau bits?
07:25<fanto666>well, amd64 kernel but that should be OK when I'm in X
07:25<jelly>yeah, the kernel doesn't matter a lot there
07:25<fanto666>yes, packaged
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07:26<jelly>fanto666: which version of nvidia-vdpau-driver:i386 is installed?
07:27<fanto666>i don't see any other avail
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07:28<jelly>fanto666: that seems fine. strace -eopen vdpauinfo 2>&1 > /dev/null | grep libvdpau_nvidia
07:29<jelly>fanto666: also, ls -la /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/vdpau/
07:29<fanto666>that's it - it's not there
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07:31<jelly>fanto666: hmm. It ought to be lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 61 Feb 14 2015 /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/vdpau/ -> /etc/alternatives/
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07:32<fanto666>hmmm I have legacy 304 driver, seems that the postinst script assumes 340
07:33<jelly>fanto666: can you pastebin the output of "update-alternatives --display nvidia"
07:34<jelly>you should probably install nvidia-legacy-340xx-vdpau-driver then
07:34<jelly>um... no, that's not 304
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07:35<jelly>fanto666: there doesn't seem to be an adequate nvidia-legacy-304xx-vdpau-driver at all
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07:35<fanto666>that's it, hmmm
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07:37<fanto666>hmmm bug 736944
07:37<fanto666>could explain it
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07:38<jelly>fanto666: who knows, it may be that userspace bits for vdpau are backwards compatible, but can try hacking it up and making symlinks manually?
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07:38<fanto666>I'll have to doit apparently
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07:39<jelly>fanto666: does /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/nvidia/current/ exist?
07:39<fanto666>it's a symlink to
07:41<jelly>fanto666: ln -fs /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/nvidia/current/ /etc/alternatives/ && ln -fs /etc/alternatives/ /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/vdpau/
07:42<jelly>and then you can probably find out that newer vdpau driver doesn't work with your old card ;-)
07:42<fanto666>Error creating VDPAU device: 1
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07:42<fanto666>ok I'll give up for now
07:42<jelly>thought so
07:42<jelly>which card is it anyway?
07:42<jelly>(lspci -nn|grep VGA)
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07:42<fanto666>gt 610
07:43<jelly>GT 610 ought to work with legacy 340xx
07:43<fanto666>i hoped I'll run with legacy 304 between I fully move to jessie
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07:43<fanto666>I'll finish upgradeand will see later
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07:43<jelly>and I suspect it's new enough to run with current 340.65 as well
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07:44<jelly>my GT220 worked on an older 340.something before the fan died
07:45<jelly>now I have a GT720 with passive cooling, it's good enough for KDE and Portal
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07:49<fanto666>yes, it is, but while upgrading I wantedto have the same drivers versions
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08:56<Darkmagister>hi, i've debian testing, i've installed e17 from the debian repo, version 0.17.6 (old but work) now i've installed terminology but i can not run it, just give me segfault tried also with gdb but no info
08:56<Darkmagister>here a strace of it if it's help anybody
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09:05<centrx>Darkmagister, How did you install terminology?
09:05<Darkmagister>from the debian repository
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09:07<centrx>Weird, files missing for some reason?
09:07<centrx>Are those files it says are missing actually missing?
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09:09<Darkmagister>yes they are missing but it's ok i mean those files are not in any package
09:10<Darkmagister>not in terminology or libelementary
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09:14<lancelot_of>hi there
09:15<lancelot_of>my Debian Jessie does not suspend/hibernate anymore since few minutes, nor USB ports work anymore. I mounted an external HD drive and then this happened. Any hint? Do I have the only chance to reboot? Please help
09:17<somiaj>lancelot_of: check dmesg, and see if you notice any relevent errors.
09:17<somiaj>lancelot_of: by not suspend, do you mean when you close the lid or when you hit the suspend button or even run the command 'pm-suspend'
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09:19<lancelot_of>somiaj, when I close the lid
09:19<lancelot_of>somiaj, it always worked
09:19<somiaj>lancelot_of: yea sometimes things will mess with buttons. try runing this command 'sudo pm-suspend', it should force your machine to suspend.
09:20<somiaj>sometimes that is enough to get it to recover the buttons, but if suspend is not trigering on the lid button being closed and that doens't fix it, unsure what to do except reboot.
09:20<somiaj>my laptop sometimes won't suspend due to the lid button if I mess with display modes or other hardware things. Unsure what the issue is, but manually running pm-suspend fixes it
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09:21<lancelot_of>somiaj, it seems no pm-suspend command is on the distro
09:21<lancelot_of>sorry, on my machine
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09:22<somiaj>lancelot_of: you ran it as sudo? pm-suspend won't be in the $PATH of a normal user. You should have the package pm-utils installed because that should be what is suspending your system when you close the lid
09:23<somiaj>the full path of the comand is at /usr/sbin/pm-suspend
09:23<lancelot_of>no pm-utils package installed...
09:24<lancelot_of>suspension/hibernation are managed via mate-power-manager on my system
09:24<lancelot_of>dunno what it uses
09:24<lancelot_of>however the main issue now is that no usb port works
09:25<lancelot_of>is there any chance to "resume" usb sets?
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09:25<lancelot_of>and then I would proceed with the suspension issue..
09:25<somiaj>you could try to remove and reload the usb drivers.
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09:25<somiaj>rebooting would reload all drivers
09:26<amacater>unmount the external HD if you can, then reboot - that should get you back to something without added hardware to complicate issues
09:27<lancelot_of>I unmounted all the external drives, I would like not to reboot because of several work sessions (documents and programs) open
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09:30<somiaj>you can try to unload and reload relevent modules with modprobe -r and modprobe
09:32<lancelot_of>usb issue solved with: sudo rmmod xhci-hcd /then/ sudo modprobe xhci-hcd
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09:44<Encrypt>Hello everybody o/
09:44<Encrypt>I've just bought a new computer and I am considering to install Debian
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09:45<Encrypt>I'd have a few questions if some of you have time for me :D
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09:46<planetmaker>Encrypt, just ask your questions and hope that someone knows the answers. Better than waiting for someone to think and say that s/he knows answers to all your questions
09:47<Encrypt>planetmaker, Yes, thanks :)
09:47<Encrypt>So, I have to say I have been running ubuntu for 5 years now on my current computer
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09:48<Encrypt>With Ubuntu, I've learnt the basics, how the Linux file system is organized, etc...
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09:48<Encrypt>Now, I don't like the deciosions Ubuntu is making, such as Mir instead of Wayland, etc...
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09:50<Encrypt>Moreover, I had Debian Wheezy installed on my work computer during the internship I have done during 4 months, and I liked Debian
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09:50<Encrypt>I will use my new laptop at school.
09:51<Encrypt>What I didn't like in Debian Wheezy was that the packages were extremely old
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09:51<Encrypt>For example, I had Firefox 33 instead of 40
09:51<Encrypt>So, is Debian testing the "best" distro in my case?
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09:55<centrx>Encrypt, You give the example of Firefox. Right now all versions of Debian wheezy and up have Firefox version 38
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09:56<Raiz>use Iceweasel instead...
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09:57<Encrypt>Raiz, Yep
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09:57<Encrypt>Why is it still stuck at version 38?
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09:58<ixi>what is "it"
09:58<Encrypt>That means that version 39 is buggy?
09:58<ixi>and how is it "stuck"
09:58<Encrypt>ixi, Iceweasel
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09:58<centrx>Encrypt, 38 is the extended support release
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09:58<centrx>That's the version of firefox/iceweasel Debian uses
09:58<themill>!iceweasel esr
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09:59<dpkg>Iceweasel Extended Support Release, see . Since Debian needs to support packages for years (not weeks!) only the ESR versions are uploaded to unstable as developers only upload packages that are suitable for being included in a release. Other versions are at <> and in <experimental>.
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09:59<Encrypt>Thanks themill
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09:59<ixi>Encrypt experimental has 40
09:59<Encrypt>So, that's what I have read
09:59<ixi>also you could probably manage to install whatever you want using the link I gave you
09:59<Encrypt>Ubuntu is based on unstable versions
10:00<Encrypt>That explains everything :P
10:00<ixi>for beta on jessie the source is deb jessie-backports iceweasel-beta
10:01<ixi>for aurora on jessie, deb jessie-backports iceweasel-aurora
10:01<dpkg>Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
10:01<ixi>very much applies to mozilla stuff
10:02<ixi>firefox 28 was the last non retarded firefox
10:02<ixi>well, relatively
10:02<petn-randall>Imagine if you as a sysadmin had to roll out a new browser every 6 weeks ....
10:02<ixi>it went downhill quickly from there
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10:11<planetmaker>there are times when a new(er) version is very handy. But the stability of the system as granted by debian is unmatched in my experience. Especially also in comparison to ubuntu
10:11<planetmaker>and then there are backports
10:12<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
10:12<Encrypt>planetmaker, But if I install the testing version of Debian
10:13<Encrypt>If I have understood, every package is the "backport" package of the stable release?
10:14<planetmaker>then you loose much of the support in forms of rapid security fixes. And also trade stability for getting (some) newer packages
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10:19<peter1138>jessie missing snort makes some things tricky for me :(
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10:26<Rain>someone know, how i can add x32 apps support to x64 debian?
10:26<dpkg>Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>.
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10:28<Rain>and... nothing happens :I i still cant launch 32bit tor
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10:29<kafran>What's up guys? I'm a Fedora user and I'm thinking to migrate to Debian because the Fedora's short lifetime. Does anybody know a good text to help me? Some thing like: "The perfect Debian Desktop", "Migrating from RPM to DEB", "From Fedora/CentOS to Debian", "Debian quick stat guide" etc. =D
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10:31<themill>Rain: do you actually mean x32 or do you mean i386?
10:31<Rain>also - someone know, how to install steam on debian? :'D
10:32<Rain>@themill, im noob. I means x32 software support
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10:33<SynrG>there's nothing to it. install as per any other package.
10:33<petn-randall>kafran: I thought Redhat had ridiculously long lifetimes?
10:33<SynrG>only potential issue is with multiarch, but it should tell you what to do in that case.
10:33<dpkg>Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>.
10:33<kafran>petn-randall, RedHat yes. I use Fedora.
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10:33<themill>Rain: I very much doubt you mean x32
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10:34<Rain>what should i do?
10:34<SynrG>Rain: exactly what i said above.
10:34<SynrG>make sure you are set up for multiarch (see the factoid dpkg said) and then install steam just like any other package.
10:34<Rain>i made add architecture, but nothing happens
10:35<Rain>and... how to set up to multiarch? oO
10:35<SynrG>the instructions are given above. TWICE
10:35<SynrG>what command are you typing?
10:36<SynrG>dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update
10:36*dpkg gets an architect to start planning a new mips processor
10:36<SynrG>^^ this
10:36<Rain>dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update
10:36<Rain>i made it
10:36<SynrG>and so the package list is updated after that and you're ready to install 32-bit packages
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10:36<Rain>but i still cant
10:37<SynrG>describe "can't"
10:37<SynrG>what command do you type? what output did you expect? what happens instead?
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10:38<SynrG>do you have non-free enabled in you sources.list?
10:38<Rain>its download smthing from repository
10:38<dpkg>[non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see
10:38<Rain>imim used nonfree netinstaller
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10:39<SynrG>did you verify that actually enables non-free in your /etc/apt/soruces.list?
10:39<SynrG>typo. /etc/apt/sources.list
10:39<Rain># deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 8.1.0 _Jessie_ - Official amd64 NETINST Binary-1 20150606-14:16]/ jessie contrib main non-free
10:39<Rain>#deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 8.1.0 _Jessie_ - Official amd64 NETINST Binary-1 20150606-14:16]/ jessie contrib main non-free
10:39<Rain>deb jessie main non-free contrib
10:39<Rain>deb-src jessie main non-free contrib
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10:40<SynrG>you said: <Rain> its download smthing from repository
10:40<SynrG>you mean when you installed steam, it did successfully download it?
10:40<Rain>nonono, its not about steam
10:40<SynrG>what, then?
10:41<SynrG>you really need to be very clear about what you're typing and what the output is. use
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10:41<SynrG>otherwise, we can't help. we're reduced to making (usually wrong) guesses
10:41<Rain>i cant run tor, cuz it says "wrong architecture? 32bit vs 64bit"
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10:42<Rain>my sources list
10:42<SynrG>ok. that looks good for installing software that's in the repository
10:42<Rain>steam in repo?
10:42<SynrG>yes, it is
10:43<Rain>and... is it good?
10:43<SynrG>so just: apt-get install steam
10:43<SynrG>yes. i have no problem with it
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10:43<Rain>so - i had problems with repo version of tor
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10:43<Rain>it didnt work
10:43<planetmaker>kafran, there's nothing special to observe really when you want to switch from Fedora to Debian. Generally Fedora has shorter lifetime but newer versions of packages and updates versions sometimes also during its lifetime. Debian doesn#t do that
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10:44<planetmaker>kafran, only real difference is the switch from yum to apt-get or aptitude... but that's not really spectacular either way
10:44<Rain>i also need x32 support for x32 games :c
10:44<Rain>yes, im one of these guys, who plays on linux
10:44<planetmaker>Rain, you always mean i386 not x32...
10:44<Rain>windows called its x32
10:44<Rain>im newbie
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10:45<kafran>planetmaker, there are some peculiarities, like multimedia, backports, the installation process (My HD is fully encripted), this is what I already read.
10:45<SynrG>Rain: please show the output of: dpkg --print-foreign-architectures
10:45<kafran>planetmaker, yep, this is what I want. The constant updates of Fedora is bringing me problems =/
10:46<SynrG>Rain: x32 has no meaning for Debian
10:46<SynrG>ok. and you did 'apt-get install tor'?
10:46<Rain>im installed it from suite
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10:47<SynrG>i'm not sure what you mean by that
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10:48<Rain>i means, im downloaded from torproject
10:48<SynrG>i'm sorry. we don't support that.
10:48<SynrG>if you have problems with that, talk to torproject
10:48<SynrG>otherwise, use the debian packages and we can help.
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10:49<Rain>i had no problems on x32 debi on my pc
10:49<Rain>thats why im asked
10:49<SynrG>"x32 debi"? i have no idea what that is
10:49<themill>It's not x32. Please stop confusing yourself and others.
10:49<Rain>sorry, i means i386
10:50<SynrG>and what's "debi"?
10:50<SynrG>if you mean i386 debian, say that. don't abbreviate.
10:51<binar>SynrG: x32 is the architecture using amd64-bit instruction set, registers etc. with 32 bit pointers
10:51<Rain>debi is diminutive debian :c okie, i ll, sorry for that :c
10:51<SynrG>Rain: my guess is that the torproject package is designed to run on i386 only. that is, it is not designed to work on multiarch.
10:51<ixi>Rain installing software downloaded from random websites is not supported
10:51<SynrG>binar: i'm not dumb, you know. "x32 debi" is just not a thing.
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10:52<SynrG>binar: names of things are important. there is, in fact, something called "li'l debi". and i have no idea .. maybe something out there literally called "x32 debi". i didn't look.
10:52*zykotick9 notes, there is a 64bit tor broswer
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10:53<SynrG>it's hard when people seeking help don't say exactly what they want help with. we're not being pedantic when we ask them to use accurate names.
10:54<SynrG>all sorts of people ask daily for support with things we simply don't support here. so getting it straight what we're talking about is important.
10:55<SynrG>Rain: anyway, try, 'apt-get install tor'
10:55<SynrG>Rain: that, at least, we support.
10:56<SynrG>or if upstream's package has something ours doesn't that you need, then you really need to talk to upstream about why it doesn't work with multiarch.
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10:56<SynrG>(it's not entirely clear to me why you'd want to use multiarch with it anyway)
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10:57<Rain>already installed torbrowser-launcher
10:57<Rain>thanks anyways
10:58<Rain>which package i need to show my temperature of proccessors/video card?
10:58<SynrG>nvidia using non-free driver?
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10:59<Rain>where i can check it?
10:59<SynrG>apt-cache policy nvidia-driver
10:59<SynrG>is that installed?
11:00<SynrG>if so, it should've also installed something called nvidia-settings, which will show you the GPU temperature
11:01<Rain>it says, there are no nvidia driver, but candidate. How i can install it?
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11:01<SynrG>the only reason i asked is, nvidia does things differently
11:01<SynrG>otherwise, there is the 'sensors' package. install that
11:02<Rain>i needs nvidia proprietary driver anyways
11:02<SynrG>i'm not sure if that would give you your GPU temperature, though
11:02<SynrG>Rain: oh. was that on your list of things to do?
11:02<dpkg>Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on
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11:03<Rain>thanks. It wasnt, but I needs it for games, i think
11:05<Rain>anyways - u told about lm-sensors, right?
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11:11<Rain>why system monitor shows me 8 cores, and # sensors - 4?
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11:14<Encrypt>Rain, You probably have 4 physical cores
11:15<Rain>but why monitor shows 8? ikr, i have 4
11:15<Encrypt>Rain, You have an intel processor?
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11:17<Encrypt>Rain, That's the hyperthreading technology
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11:18<Encrypt>Each physical core is considered as "two cores" which are virtual
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11:21<Rain>and... how to find video card temperature?
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11:21<Rain>sensors shows me only cores
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11:27<SynrG>Rain: i know. i don't know how, generically, to measure GPU temp (with free drivers)
11:27<SynrG>Rain: i do know if you have nvidia non-free, their nvidia-config shows GPU temp
11:29<SynrG>Rain: i imagine there are also other front-ends that know both how to use the lm-sensors readings *and* the nvidia readings
11:30<SynrG>,v psensor
11:30<judd>Package: psensor on amd64 -- wheezy:; jessie: 1.1.3-2; sid: 1.1.3-2+b1; stretch: 1.1.3-2+b1
11:30<SynrG>there's this. probably also some others.
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11:37<Rain>and which command i need right now?
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11:42<fanto666>rain what video carrd?
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11:48<rled>Guiz! I can almost boot my guest with qemu now! I use qemu-launcher. The installation manual says I need to have pae enabled or I get a fatal error, anyone know how to enable pae in qemu-launcher? Is pae kvm?
11:49<Rain>and i has problem - there are glitches in games. Should i install proprietary driver?
11:50<rled>Please Guiz! Help?
11:50<fanto666>rain what hardware is that?
11:50<Rain>looks live problem with vsync, but its turned off in game
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11:51<Rain>nvidia 850M, i7 4700HQ, 8Gb ram
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11:56<fanto666>well, fornvidiathe propietar drivers give better 3d/gl performance
11:56<Rain>is this driver in repo?
11:56<fanto666>but the temp sensor is only available through nvidia commands
11:56<fanto666>nvidia-smi etc.
11:57<fanto666>psensor should be able to read it
11:57<Rain>nvm. Whats name of package?
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11:59<fanto666>GeForce GTX 850M ?
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12:01<fanto666>just for sure. this one should work with current (340) drivers
12:02<Rain>and how to enable it?
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12:05<Rain>im about xorg
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12:07<fanto666>it's metapackage, should install kernel and xorg modules
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12:15<flip623>Hi. "apt-get install tshark wireshark -t unstable" says "The following packages will be REMOVED: ... digikam", but if I put "digikam" in the install line it just seems to work, ie. there's no hard conflict.
12:16<flip623>why would apt want to remove it in the first place, when it could just be kept too?
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12:16<flip623>there are quite some more packages that would be removed, and I don't want to specify all of these manually
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12:17<flip623>my default distribution is testing, and most of my packages should be there (with a few in unstable)
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12:18<fanto666>flip623 you apparently need new version of digicam due to library conflicts
12:19<flip623>fanto666: well, if I pass "digikam" on the install line too, I get "digikam is already the newest version."
12:20<flip623>that's a bit confusing for me
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12:21<flip623>hmmm, aptitude does install wireshark and tshark with a minimum of changes...
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12:21<flip623>so apt's solver seems to be amiss
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12:23<amacater>Folks - don't run testing unless you know what you're doing. Library transitions going through to deal with GCC version 5 etc. etc. - stick to stable if you practicably can
12:24<flip623>amacater: maybe it's a bit late now... and stable is for production servers, isn't it? ;)
12:25<amacater>Stable is suitable for production servers, desktops etc. etc :D
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12:25<flip623>amacater: well, for *development* desktops it's *too* stable, IMO.
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12:26<amacater>If you want development desktops, you have to be able to deal with breakage, understand package conflicts etc - so you can then deal with testing - otherwise there's jessie-backports :)
12:27<flip623>amacater: I try. But sometimes there are situations that I don't understand, and then I come asking.
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12:28<flip623>amacater: and I won't "dist-upgrade" that soon, because of "782 upgraded, 100 newly installed, 437 to remove and 21 not upgraded.
12:28<flip623>the "437 to remove" is bothering me a bit...
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12:28<amacater>What are you running at the moment - Jessie or stretch
12:29<flip623>APT::Default-Release "testing";
12:29<flip623>with some packages from unstable or experimental mixed in
12:30<amacater>OK - so you're running stretch - mix in experimental or sid and you are COMPLETELY on your own
12:30<centrx>flip623, When you mix in packages from unstable, you can end up with a system that is basically all unstable, because of dependencies
12:30<phillipsjk>Has anyone gotten 32 bit windows applications to work properly with multiarch? Installing 64 bit wince does not pull in 32 bit dependencies, while 32bit wine conflicts with 64 bit wine
12:30<flip623>thanks, I know.
12:30<amacater>testing aka stretch is changing packages left right and centre
12:30<amacater>Once transitions are through it will be a wole lote easier
12:30<flip623>I just did wonder why "apt-get" wants to remove a package, but when I pass it explicitly it says "already the newest version" and keeps it
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12:33<amacater>Wine64 and 32 bit on multiarch - yes. Not necessarily straigntforward. Run amd64 first, add i386 as an architecture. Install Wine for 64 bit wine and wine32 for 32 bit, from memory
12:33<amacater>Both of them are running on this machine.
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12:35<fanto666>how can I search aptitude for packages depending on perl >=5.20 ?
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12:39<phillipsjk>Not suire what I did, but I used to get further in running the program I am trying to use. Used to get a splash screen. now I get: "wine: '/home/game/.wine' is a 64-bit installation, it cannot be used with a 32-bit wineserver."
12:39<phillipsjk>I suppor I can try wiping that directory
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12:40<amacater>Install wine32 and wine64
12:40<amacater>.. i think - it's been a couple of months
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12:41<phillipsjk>I have them both installed.
12:42<peter1138>i just have wine:Lamd64 and wine32:i386 (plus depends)
12:42<phillipsjk>For some reason winecfg does not run after I deleted the .wine and .wine64 directories
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12:45<phillipsjk>well, I got the splash screen back.
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12:46<phillipsjk>..and winecfg launches again.
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12:46<phillipsjk>I am used to winecfg being the *first* program to run.
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12:55<phillipsjk>No I suspect the problem is that the "launcher" can't detect the "windows" version, so does not know what binary to download.
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13:02<phillipsjk>is there a way to install packages in a chroot environment? No way I want to install steam over my whole machine.
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13:05<phillipsjk>I see there is a --root option for dpkg
13:07<phillipsjk>may be easier to use another machine for dirty binaries :)
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13:26<jhutchins>phinaliumz: It's pretty easy to set up a chroot and install packages there. I have done that to maintain a copy of a new release until it was usable.
13:27<jhutchins>phinaliumz: debootstrap is a good way to set that up.
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14:09<whologin>morning all
14:09<whologin>well i thin i found my own solution
14:10<whologin>thanks to you guys pointing me to a multi-arch install. i realised i might have more success with the multiacrh dvd installer,assuming it instals with a gui.
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14:27<u53r>What chosr chanbel ?
14:28<u53r>Else channel good
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15:25<arcturus>hi ppl
15:26<arcturus>i was wodering what do you guys use for ripping audio cds into mp3
15:26<arcturus>i had a look at sound juicer but it seems to rip to .ogg
15:26<arcturus>perhaps installing the lame library will help?
15:28<centrx>yes lame
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15:32<arcturus>ok I am looking into it
15:32<arcturus>thanks guys
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15:35<arcturus>ah ah taraaam done
15:35<peter1138>sound juicer will not warn you if your rips are bad
15:35<arcturus>really? oh I see
15:36<arcturus>I've just installed lame and ripperx for a nice gui front end
15:36<peter1138>ripperx uses cdparanoia so that's a bit better
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15:36<peter1138>sufficient in most cases
15:36<arcturus>nice :) glad to know
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15:37<arcturus>thanks guys...
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15:37<arcturus>I am updating my music library... just finished my sound setup with 3 raspberry pi to have sync audio all over the appartment
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15:39<arcturus>so, now that I am going fully digital... I have to take care of these cds that I had around...
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15:40<peter1138>those CDs are already digital ;)
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15:41<peter1138>i was going to backup my vinyl but the stylus broke before i got around to it :(
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15:42<whologin>am i correct in assuming the mulkti-arch dvd will install a gui?
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15:42<arcturus>owh... that's unfortunate... my father has a nice vinil collection. perhaps one of these days I will also try to go for it
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15:44<retrospectacus>whologin: I believe every installer will install a GUI
15:44<whologin>not netinst
15:44<retrospectacus>whologin: if you choose "desktop environment" and the tasksel screen, yes it will
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15:45<whologin>tried it yesterday
15:45<retrospectacus>at* the tasksel screen
15:45<whologin>there was no option for desktop in the install
15:45<whologin>just core
15:45<peter1138>you probably didn't have networking set up during the install
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15:46<peter1138>"netinst" is a clue
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16:02<arcturus>bye bye everyone and thanks for your help
16:03<arcturus>that is why i love linux (debian)
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16:40<Diziet>How do I debug a wireless problem ? The logs are not very illuminating. The wifi stopped working when I upgraded to jessie. iwlwifi.
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16:41<Diziet>The first untoward-looking message is CTRL-EVENT-SSID-TEMP-DISABLED id=0 ssid="blah" auth_failures= duration=10 reason=CONN_FAILED [nb, copy-typed]
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16:57<JWVincent>Hello! I am new to IRC and I am trying to get some help on one of the other Debian channels. I am struggling to get pastebinit to work with; whenever I feed it text to paste, it prints out a URL of ''. Does anyone know why it doesn't print out a unique URL? Do I need a username/password?
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17:00<deal2015>ru or english talk?
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17:04<whologin>whats up
17:04<Diziet>... rebooting my wireless AP, which was working for everyone else, fixed it. wtf
17:05<whologin>miss me?
17:05<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian ( (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
17:05<jhutchins>Diziet: That's fairly common.
17:06<whologin>i finished installing multi-arch, and selected a desktop env in the setup. now it has completed and booted to a cmd promt again, how do i start a gui?
17:06<Diziet>jhutchins: Really ? How ... crap.
17:07<ryouma>can the mode line lighter for narrow status be made into a special face?
17:07<ryouma>i'd like it to stand out that i am narrowing
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17:10<jhutchins>Diziet: Crap is exactly it. Low-cost components, imperfect build quality.
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17:10<jhutchins>Diziet: What kind of AP is it?
17:10<jhutchins>Diziet: Brand/model?
17:11<Diziet>jhutchins: Oh some kind of tp-link, just a mo.
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17:11<Diziet>WA701ND v2
17:11<whologin>startx keeps bring me to a crashed command prompt
17:11<Diziet>jhutchins: I still don't quite understand how it broke my netbook, and then only after the jessie upgrade.
17:11<Diziet>But, whatever.
17:12<Diziet>jhutchins: Feel free to rant at length if the mood takes you though...
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17:12<jhutchins>Diziet: So we're talking about a unit that can be had for less thant $20. Not gonna expect great reliability.
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17:13<BigBubbles>I was wondering if there's away to list all devices in linux
17:13<jhutchins>Diziet: Now if you had some $300 Asus WAP/Router/Firewall, you'd expect it to be solid.
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17:13<BigBubbles>not just pci devices
17:13<Diziet>jhutchins: Well, true. If it just broke for everyone that would be easier to understand. But maybe some bit of the RAM got nobbled that only I touched...
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17:13<jhutchins>BigBubbles: lshw (not installed).
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17:13<BigBubbles>jhutchins: Thanks
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17:14<jhutchins>Diziet: Or the linux driver is pickier, or you just picked the wrong random channel.
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17:14<jhutchins>Diziet: While Linux works well for a broad range of hardware, Windows actually works better with broken hardware.
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17:14<whologin>jhutchins , i installed the dvd of multi-arch. how do i launch the desktop-env /
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17:15<jhutchins>whologin: I believe it should launch by default. If it doesn't, and if startx crashes, you may have bad video drivers.
17:16<jhutchins>whologin: Have a look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log - lots of noise, but sometimes useful items.
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17:18<whologin>just alot of blue dashed down the left side of the screen. no text , at the bottom it says" /var/log/0.log" [New File]
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17:23<retrospectacus>whologin: 1) that is the wrong filename 2) use "less" to read log files, not an editor
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17:24<retrospectacus>press the tab key a lot to avoid mistyping filenames
17:25<jhutchins>whologin: Xorg.0.log
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17:37<whologin>ok im reading it
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17:42<retrospectacus>whologin: look for lines starting with EE for error. Probably at the bottom. Press shift-G to go to the bottom
17:42<retrospectacus>press q to exit
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17:44<Brad>Hello world :D
17:44<Brad>Sta qualche ita ?
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18:06<whologin>anyone know of a usb-rj45 eth adapter that works without manual install?
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18:06<whologin>jus like plug and play
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18:08<amacater>Trendnet TU2-ET100 here does it
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18:09<amacater>Cheap too
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18:13<StyXman>I'm trying to install roundcube in a debian testing. i try to use db-config, and it asks me about lot of things including mysql's admin user to create ronucube's user, but it never asks for the admin user's password and it fails to create the rouncube user. any ideas?
18:16<StyXman>the exact error is: ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)
18:18<StyXman>this happens when i try via localhost and via unix socket
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18:19<Brigo>StyXman, weird
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18:20<StyXman>Brigo: it is
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18:21<StyXman>Brigo: maybe it's because mysql's root user asks for a password on localhot/unix socket
18:21<amacater>TU2-ET100 comes up as eth1 and is renamed to eth4 so it shoudn't conflict with what you already have - ASIX is manufacturer and module, I think
18:21<Brigo>StyXman, don't know, but i intalled it in wheezy without problems.
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18:33<StyXman>Brigo: ack
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18:34<StyXman>maybe I should just destroy all the setup and start again
18:34<StyXman>but that would break my tt-rss
18:34<Brigo>StyXman, do you check for bug reports ?
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18:35<Brigo>i cannot find related bugs.
18:37<StyXman>Brigo: me neither
18:37<StyXman>but then I'm tired
18:37<StyXman>let's retry tomorrow
18:37<StyXman>good night
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19:45<Computer1zone>i have a problem
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19:46<Newbie>I hope this is the right place for this, but I'm looking for some help installing a driver on debian 8.1 for my USB WiFi dongle
19:46<Computer1zone>I have a server with Debian wheezy and when I mount a hard drive does not show any files in the mount point, help me please
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20:04<Newbie>How are you
20:04<whologin>so confused. you?
20:04<Newbie>About the same
20:04<Newbie>Linux has a way of making me feel inept
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20:05*inept is as he is named
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20:05<Newbie>I'm guessing that means you can't give me any advice on my predicament
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20:05<whologin>what is it?
20:06<Newbie>My internet on Debian is either very slow at best, or non-existent at most times
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20:06<Newbie>I figure it's because I don't have the proper driver, but I can't make head or tail of the readme file that comes with it
20:07<whologin>whats the chipset?
20:07<whologin>the smart ones here are going to ask you that
20:07<Newbie>Let me check... I know it's RALink, but I'll find the specific one shortly
20:07<whologin>lsusb will tell you
20:08<whologin>or ls pci
20:08<whologin>or lspci
20:08<whologin>2nd one
20:08<Newbie>I'm on windows at the moment.
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20:08<Newbie>I couldn't connect to this site reliably
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20:10<whologin>im not veru useful here
20:10<whologin>but the others are great
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20:11<Newbie>Which others?
20:11<Newbie>It's been pretty quiet
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20:11<whologin>they are around
20:11<whologin>they are up late ogten so..
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20:12<Newbie>I see
20:12<Newbie>My internet is being slow again, but it's an ASUS USB N-13 stick
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20:14<whologin>i just took one of those back to the store
20:14<whologin>got a usn ethernet nick
20:15<Newbie>Was that a simpler install?
20:16<Computer1zone>I have a server with Debian wheezy and when I mount a hard drive does not show any files in the mount point, help me please
20:17<whologin>yup. plug and play
20:18<Newbie>The stick works after the install, however it does not work as well as it does on my Windows install
20:18<Computer1zone>tell with me?
20:18<whologin>i have read that stick can disconnect after downloading to many packets or something
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20:19<Newbie>A physical difference is in the LED: on Windows it blinks at erratic intervals, but on Debian it maintains a solid blue
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20:20<Newbie>I've never heard of the stick you were talking about. What's the model number?
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20:29<Newbie_>Dropped for a second there
20:29<Newbie_>Is that stick just an adapter?
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20:31<thomasross>How can I login to the debian live cd?
20:32<thomasross>What is the username and password?
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20:35<thomasross>oh it was user and live
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20:57<Brigo>thomasross, i think debian debian
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21:19<blast007>Brigo: nope, 'user' and 'live' as he discovered
21:21<Brigo>blast007, i think debian debian would had been a better choise :)
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21:33<blast007>Brigo: probably - I recall having to search online when I was first trying to figure out what it was :) doesn't help that the live DVDs automatically lock the screen after a period of inactivity
21:33<Brigo>blast007, very funny! :)
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22:47<Astrixz>hello all
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23:01<whologin>ok, so much progress todat
23:01<whologin>ok, so much progress today
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23:02<whologin>for the first time I have a full working OS with gui
23:02<whologin>except lshw says my wifi is disabled
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23:45<UFCking1>Hi everyone
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