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00:20<Schnabeltier>a simple way to temporarly shut down the x, the wm and enter a shell?
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00:50<shawn>enable ctrl+alt+backspace
00:53<Schnabeltier>it gives me some terminal window, but no shell input...
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01:39<Schnabeltier>any way to implent a selector at booting for booting the normal desktop (mate) or a plain x server?
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01:45<jm_>at boot only DM is started, not a full desktop system
01:45<jm_>unless you reconfigured the DM to auto-login
01:46<PovAddict>yep
01:46<PovAddict>so if you want to make that choice you would probably do it on the DM
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01:49<Schnabeltier>mhm the DM? means lightdm-gtk-greeter?
01:49<jm_>!dm
01:49<dpkg>DM means Display Manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. <xdm>, <gdm>, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, login.app, <slim> and <lightdm> are all examples of display managers. Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable the DM. Or Debian Maintainer: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMaintainer . For the deb-multimedia repository, ask me about <dmm>.
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01:50<Schnabeltier>!nodm
01:50<dpkg>Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (http://www.enricozini.org/sw/nodm/).
01:51<jm_>please msg the bot if you want to ask it about all that stuff (/msg dpkg foo)
01:51<Schnabeltier>ah okay, sorry didn´t know about the pm feature
01:52<jm_>no need to apologize, it was just a precaution notice
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01:58<Schnabeltier>A Display-Manager is needed to run a Window-Manager? Did i google that right? So the DM starts X with the WM on top, which is in charge for the window handling on the x-server?
02:00<jm_>you can still start X server manually using startx so it's not strictly needed
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02:02<askuyue>I am new here.
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02:02<askuyue>thanks
02:03<askuyue>How to use GnuCash?
02:03<jm_>askuyue: read its manual, gnucash-docs package
02:03<twb>I want to generate a syslog warning when I have a NIC that can do (say) 1000baseT-FD but negotiates something lower (like 100baseT-FD). Is there a way to do this without parsing ethtool/mii-tool output?
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02:04<twb>AFAICT the answer is no, because other methods (like ip l; /sys/class/net/eth0/*) only have the negotiated speed, not the hardware's potential.
02:04<askuyue>ok, thanks.
02:05<PovAddict>twb: hardcode the hardware's potential and compare to the negotiated speed from /sys :P
02:05<twb>(I need to know both because otherwise booting with a 100MB NIC will generate a warning every time.)
02:05<twb>PovAddict: I don't control what hardware the customer purchases :-/
02:05<PovAddict>ah not fixed system
02:05<PovAddict>hrm
02:05<Schnabeltier>I was told xbmc doesn´t need a WM, so i wanted to add interruption at boot to choose when to boot normal with DM and WM and the other option just to start the plain x server with xbmc
02:05<twb>Actually the primary use case is to detect when they bought our desktops but didn't buy our switches
02:06<PovAddict>well how does ethtool work?
02:06<twb>PovAddict: ethtool gives output reliably, it's just horrible to parse
02:06<PovAddict>I mean instead of parsing ethtool output, do the same as what ethtool does to get its data... assuming it's not *too* complicated
02:07<PovAddict>or change ethtool to produce parseable output :) open source ftw
02:09<jm_>Schnabeltier: you could do that using systemd by creating new target and pass systemd.unit=myxbmc.target for example
02:10<twb>PovAddict: yeah plan... D is to just use python's socket library to do what ethtool does, but ethtool is a bit obfuscated
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02:10<PovAddict>twb: you're getting really close to nerdsniping me and getting me to hack parseable output into ethtool
02:11<PovAddict>I better go to bed before that happens ^^
02:11<twb>strace seems to indicate that ethtool just opens a UNIX DGRAM socket and then somehow immediately has all the details of eth0
02:12<twb>I can't even see where it uses eth0 except in printing the output
02:13<Schnabeltier>jm_ : i beg your pardon, may you use more simple words. i can hardly understand what you´re trying to say, not the language but the subject....
02:13<askuyue>what is function of 'chmod 777'?
02:14<twb>askuyue: it breaks your system
02:14<PovAddict>lol
02:14<Schnabeltier>"chmod 777" should mean "file/folder act like a bitch and let every user touch you", if i remember right.
02:16<jm_>twb: ioctl(3, SIOCETHTOOL
02:17<jm_>Schnabeltier: well not really
02:17<twb>jm_: hm OK
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02:20<askuyue>oh
02:20<jm_>!tell askuyue -about grounding
02:20<Schnabeltier>i´m still googling to understand how DMs and WMs work, what impact noDM would have... i don´t know systemd :( need more time to google
02:21<jm_>"nodm" tells you how to configure the system so that DM is not started at boot
02:21<askuyue>what is the phrase that is it breaks your system?
02:21<askuyue>I just do it with command 'chmod 777 xmaple'.
02:22<dakka>askuyue, it means full read write by any1
02:22<askuyue>got it.
02:22<askuyue>thanks
02:22<dakka>np
02:24<askuyue>since i want to make a shutcut with script that is ' <!-- Launch leafpad with Win + m -->
02:24<askuyue> <keybind key="W-m">
02:24<askuyue> <action name="Execute">
02:24<askuyue> <command>/opt/maple18/bin/xmaple</command>
02:24<askuyue> </action>
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02:25<Schnabeltier>since the DM handles the users login to different WMs installing noDM would autologin a given user to a predefined WM right?
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02:26<askuyue>yes
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02:27<jm_>Schnabeltier: yes, but you can a) change what to start using ~/.xsession or b) configure DM for auto-login, which has the same effect
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02:30<twb>Heh. strace of ethtool shows ioctl(3, SIOCETHTOOL, 0x7ffdae003110) = 0
02:30<twb>But if I try that in python it whinges about: OverflowError: signed integer is greater than maximum
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02:33<twb>Some other poor sod followed jwz's law: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/python/949557
02:34<jm_>twb: the actual request in the code is struct ethtool_cmd ecmd; ecmd.cmd = ETHTOOL_GSET; and _GSET is 0x00000001
02:35<twb>my brain hurts
02:35<jm_>so 0x7ffdae003110 might just be a pointer to struct ethtool_cmd ecmd I guess
02:35<twb>There's https://metacpan.org/pod/Linux::Ethtool
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02:35<twb>And there's a python-ethtool
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02:36<slasharash>i don't have sudo installed in my jessie! and when i try to install with apt-get it request cd image what should i do?
02:36<jm_>!tell slasharash -about sources.list
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02:37<twb>Can't you just click through the CD prompt?
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02:37<twb>Like "press RET if you lost the CD" or something
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02:38<slasharash>i dont have cd image, i install it from usb flash memory
02:38<jm_>networking probably did not work at install time so only cdrom entries are in sources.list, my guess ...
02:39<twb>Ha! python-ethtool is mostly a .so
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02:40<slasharash>is there a way to install it from iso file, usb or net?
02:40<smiler999>hi
02:40<twb>slasharash: see the sources.list info that dpkg bot sent you
02:41<slasharash>thanks
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02:41<dense>Would anyone be willing to help me with the nvidia driver?
02:42<jm_>dense: you mean how to install non-free driver? https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
02:42<twb>If only I had not deliberately compiled apt and dpkg out of the kiosk :/
02:42<twb>Curse you, past twb
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02:45<dense>I followed those instructions but it does not work. X will not start, I get an error about an unimplemented function, nvidia-current I think?
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02:46<PovAddict>twb: http://www.cimgf.com/2009/03/26/dont-blindly-trust-debb/ see the "I am a moron" section :)
02:47<twb>WTH is debb
02:47<twb>that article doesn't seem to say
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02:47<PovAddict>it does
02:48<PovAddict>"DEBB is not just class documentation but encompasses all of the normal sources we use when trying to understand an API. DEBB stands for Documentation, Examples, Blogs and Books."
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02:49<twb>Ack I see what you're saying now
02:49<jm_>put your X logfile on the paste site (/msg dpkg paste)
02:50<twb>By the time *I* write documentation, it's usually because I had to RTFS a whole lot :P
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02:52<twb>Grmph python-ethtool just prints "NOT supported!" for me
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02:55<jm_>!paste
02:55<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
02:55<jm_>denst: ^^^^^^
02:55<twb>I'm tempted to just use perl and not tell my coworkers
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02:56<dense>thank you
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02:56<jm_>log is /var/log/Xorg.0.log
02:57<sdjoaj>If a Debian install is smaller on drive than the system RAM does everything get loaded into memory?
02:58<twb>sdjoaj: eventually, yes
02:58<dense>https://paste.debian.net/311280/
02:58<twb>sdjoaj: for debian live, you can front-load it using the toram options
02:59<sdjoaj>Specifically it's 16GB memory and 5GB on a 120GB SSD.
02:59<twb>sdjoaj: (in general, linux will use "spare" RAM as a disk cache.)
02:59<twb>You could probably brute-force it on a regular install by doing something like find / -xdev -type f -exec cat {} + >/dev/null
03:00<twb>or see readahead(2) syscall
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03:00<jm_>dense: please prefix messages for me with jm_, from now on if I ask for some outputs, put those on the paste site as well if they are more than 2 lines; at this time these outputs are needed: dpkg -l | grep nvidia ; find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) | grep nvidia
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03:00<twb>sdjoaj: what's your use case?
03:00<jm_>it probably makes little sense to bother with this with a SSD drive
03:01<twb>true
03:01<twb>unless it's a crap SSD :P
03:01<twb>120GB means it's an intel SSD so that's not the case
03:01<jm_>i have that one, i wouldn't describe it as crap, just slow when compared to modern ones :)
03:02<jm_>although it was crap initially with the CTX bug
03:02<sdjoaj>Lightweight server. Handles storage, chat, VPN, TV recording, etc.
03:02<twb>my ssd can't do sata ALPM :-/
03:02<twb>And it's literally the *only* SSD manufactured in that M.2 2242 form factor
03:02<PovAddict>I have a Lenovo laptop with a mechanical hard disk and a tiny SSD used for caching (with some proprietary Windows driver)
03:02<dense>jm_ apologies, thank you for the help. I do not currently have the driver installed.
03:02<jm_>dense: but then you haven't followed the docs on the wiki?
03:03<PovAddict>I tried using the SSD as a disk (compiling code in it)
03:03<jm_>twb: hmm, there's plenty of M2 ssd-s out there now
03:03<twb>jm_: last time I looked, not in taht form fator
03:03<PovAddict>but every time I tried, after a few minutes the SSD would hang and disappear as a disk device until I rebooted
03:03<PovAddict>firmware bug I bet
03:03<twb>jm_: they were all apple-sized ones which are 62 or 82 long
03:03<dense>jm_ I did, x would not start so I removed it. I have tried to find solutions on the internet to no avail.
03:04<twb>https://www.ramcity.com.au/buy/transcend-mts400-256gb-m.2-sata-42mm-ssd/TS256GMTS400
03:04<jm_>dense: well decide how to continue
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03:05<dense>jm_ I am unsure what you mean by that.
03:06<jm_>twb: ahh you can only fit 42mm drives? there should be more choice nowadays
03:06<jm_>dense: reinstall nvidia driver and try to figure out the issues or ...
03:06<twb>it's for a Acer C720P crbook
03:07<dense>jm_ I see, I will need to log in here from a different computer then.
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03:24<shawn>twb: I have a c720
03:24<shawn>I use a mydigitalssd for a long time now with no issues. but I flashed it with over provisioning firmware right away
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03:28<dense>jm_: I have followed the instructions here: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers and have encountered the same problem. What information did you want?
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03:29<jm_>dense: to start with, the same as before, x log + those outputs
03:29<dense>jm_: Would you repeat the outputs that you need?
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03:30<jm_>dense: dpkg -l | grep nvidia ; find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) | grep nvidia
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03:37<dense>jm_: https://paste.debian.net/311282/
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03:38<jm_>dense: dmesg output shall hold a clue
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03:43<dense>jm_ I apologize but I do not understand.
03:43<jm_>dense: run dmesg, put its output on the paste site
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03:49<dense>jm_: https://paste.debian.net/311283/
03:50<jm_>dense: run 'modprobe nvidia-current'
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03:51<admitry>Hello everybody. I need help, searching the Internet did not give anything sensible. Established backuppc, and can not seem to adjust to local backup. my system Debian 8. Explain how to configure a novice or a link to a resource where you can read about this in more detail. Thank you in advance.
03:51<jm_>hah Gaming Mouse G600, I have G502
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03:58<dense>jm_: https://paste.debian.net/311284/
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03:59<jm_>dense: wait, I am a moron, you haven't got the nvidia-current driver built, dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms
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04:02<dense>jm_: It appears that I am missing the source for my kernel
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04:06<jm_>dense: the wiki page says to install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-kernel-dkms
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04:08<dense>jm_: I did that
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04:09<jm_>dense: then upload the outputs of what dpkg-reconfigure ... command said and 'dpkg -l | grep linux-headers'
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04:18<dense>jm_: https://paste.debian.net/311287/ it appears that I do not have them, but I cannot find them to install
04:18<jm_>dense: what does 'uname -r' say? you can pste it directly here
04:19<dense>jm_: 4.1.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
04:20<jm_>dense: you have it for your original kernel but not for the bpo one
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04:21<jm_>dense: install the headers again using the above command
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04:23<dense>jm_: No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
04:23<jm_>dense: what exactly did you type?
04:24<dense>sudo aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-kernel-dkms
04:24<jm_>what does echo linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') show?
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04:25<dense>linux-headers-amd64
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04:26<jm_>ok just find the kernel package name, dpkg -l | grep linux-image-4 and install related linux-headers package (btw, there's a newer one on bpo now)
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04:30<dense>jm_: Thank you again for your patience and help. I am unsure what bpo means. I cannot find headers for the kernel version that I have.
04:31<jm_>dense: give me the output of the grep command, bpo means backports
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04:35<hp>ls
04:35<hp>disktop
04:35<dense>jm_: https://paste.debian.net/311288/
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04:36<jm_>dense: linux-headers-4.1.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
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04:45<dense>jm_: I did not have backports in my sources.list. I think that is probably the cause of my trouble.
04:45<jm_>dense: but how did you install the bpo kernel then?
04:45<dense>jm_: I'm not sure, this is a new install.
04:46<jm_>dense: bpo kernels are not installed by default
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06:33<oscarr>Hello :)
06:35<oscarr>one question about vokoscreen that is in debian repos ... its showing that is using avcodecs but its sending to avcodec parameters that are supported by ffmpeg only - is that normal.
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06:38<twb>No idea, but I heard debian is switching back to ffmpeg, so I guess it will be fine in stretch ;-)
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06:42<pajaro>is there something like the system-config-printer for scanners?
06:43<pajaro>i remember not long ago to "just" scan through a network scanner
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06:43<pajaro>because the printer was recognized as scanner as well... im on the same computer and the same scanner
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06:46<reiko1>help pls http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=124639
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06:47<twb>pajaro: I think system-config-* is a redhatism
06:48<pajaro>$ sudo service sane start \n Failed to start sane.service: Unit sane.service failed to load: No such file or directory.
06:48<pajaro>twb, is not really a redhatism, they are upstream and name their utils as they want :>
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06:48<pajaro>what i meant is... im looking for something to configure my scanner, since the last time it just work
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06:49<twb>RH certainly aren't upstream for cups. I dunno about sane.
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06:49<pajaro>upstream for their nice looking interfaces to stuff
06:49<twb>http://sprunge.us/BRhj <-- no dice
06:50<twb>(Yes, I know I should jsut use apt-file or dctrl-tools.)
06:51<pajaro>xD
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06:52<reiko1>someone can help me configure the xorg srver after installing fglrx-driver packages and headers?
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06:53<towo`>!fglrx dkms
06:53<dpkg>For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` fglrx-driver && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf». Restart your system to enable the <radeon> blacklist.
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06:53<towo`>reiko1, read it
06:54<reiko1>towo i dont know which lines i should write in "Device" , "My GPU" , "fglrx"
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06:54<towo`>do itz equal, as you can read
06:55<towo`>mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf
06:55<towo`>there is nothing to change
06:55<pajaro>tbh, i think cups and system-config-printer is able to detect all-in-one scanners and announce it as that to the system... but for some reason is not working... when i start xscan it complains that it doesnt find an scanner
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06:55<reiko1>done
06:56<reiko1>now i should restart my system and thats it?
06:56<towo`>so it is
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07:03<oscarr>Im back :)
07:04<oscarr>one more question: how to go back to debian packages after removing deb-multimedia from sources.list ?
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07:05<jm_>you install the packages from debian, how else?
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07:08<twb>aptitude search '?narrow(?installed, ?not(?archive(debian)))' might work to find them
07:09<oscarr>thx ... i will try this
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07:10<twb>sorry ?origin not ?archive
07:12<twb>Of course that doesn't work for me to find libdvdcss2...
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07:14<twb>I tell a lie, it worked perfectly.
07:15<twb>Anyway, for each of those do apt-get install foo/jessie
07:15<oscarr>i found big list .. ffmpeg, avcodec libs ... etc.
07:16<oscarr>how to bring back debian versions of those ?
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07:19<oscarr>ok .. I found :)
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07:20<ixi>Hi. I have 3 domain names, for example: a.com, b.com, c.com. I would like to configure my local dns server so that it responds for any resolution query for those domains, AND any of their subdomains of ANY level with address 127.0.0.1
07:21<ixi>how to do this? any documentation
07:21<ixi>I want a.com to resolve to 127.0.0.1 and how.ever.many.levels.a.com too
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07:56<stemid>does any PAM guru here know how I can configure /etc/pam.d/sshd to allow pam_mysql.so for sftpusers but not for anyone else? https://paste.debian.net/311302/ I've already tried to skip the rest of pam.d/sshd using pam_succeed_if.so with a default=15 to skip all 15 modules included by password-auth, or default=1 to skip just the session include line but none of that works. either I get bad jump in stack or p
07:56<stemid>am_unix denies my user.
07:57<stemid>if it wasn't for openssh hard coding the pam service name I wouldn't be in this mess.
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07:59<jm_>probably the only sane solution would be to change the code is it uses different PAM service for sftp
07:59<jm_>so, not is
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08:00<stemid>jm_: yes that has been on my mind too. maybe it is the solution after all because when I use this pam_mysql.so config in vsftpd I have no problems since it only has two rules.
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08:02<bdog7>.np
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08:11<stemid>actually, at closer inspection, it seems openssh uses argv[0] as pam service name. so it should be as simple as renaming the binary then I guess.
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08:14<Guest1329>hi. does debian have a central resource where requests are made for new features?
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08:15<jm_>what kind of new features?
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08:19<Guest1329>well i'm a hobby developer using c++. I'd like to have a place I can find things people are looking for (when I have time), then upload solutions so debian developers (members) can use them
08:21<jm_>BTS is full of wishlist items + there are many in upstream databases
08:21<jm_>!bts
08:21<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS
08:22<jm_>but on that note, it's off for me
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08:25<Guest1329>okay, I'm guessing I should be able to use <apt-listbugs> to save in file format?
08:26<Guest1329>or just copy and paste
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08:31<SynrGy>Guest1329: the wnpp is also where people request new packages, request adoption of existing packages, etc.
08:31<SynrGy>!tell Guest1329 about wnpp
08:31<SynrGy>!tell Guest1329 about how-can-i-help
08:32<SynrGy>apt-listbugs is something else. it's an apt plugin to tell you which bugs would affect incoming upgrades.
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08:52<Guest1329>so I'll use BTS. how do I access wishlist items in upstream databases
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08:55<SynrGy>by searching individual upstream trackers
08:55<SynrGy>debian keeps no central repository of those
08:56<SynrGy>the only ones you would find are wishlist debian bugs xreffed to upstream bugs
08:56<SynrGy>sometimes it happens that a debian user files a debian bug, and this gets tagged 'forwarded' and upstream then keeps a separate bug# in their system.
08:57<SynrGy>just look in the BTS for any 'wishlist' priority bugs
08:57<SynrGy>(but not all of those pertain to upstream)
08:57<Guest1329>okay
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08:59<SynrGy>the ones that do should also be tagged 'upstream', i guess
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09:01<SynrGy>for example, assuming correct tagging of those:
09:01<SynrGy>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?dist=unstable;package=samba;include=tags%3Aupstream;severity=wishlist
09:01<SynrGy>and from that query we get exactly one debian bug priority wishlist, tagged upstream in unstable.
09:02<SynrGy>for samba
09:02<SynrGy>hmm. i should have used src:samba:
09:03<SynrGy>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?include=tags%3Aupstream;severity=wishlist;src=samba
09:03<SynrGy>there. now we have three
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09:03<SynrGy>Guest1329: so play with the web interface a bit and see if you can locate things that have been asked for in packages you care about :)
09:04<SynrGy>!debtags
09:04<dpkg>hmm... debtags is a way of categorising packages with tags (facets) that describe how a package can be used, what data it can read/write, what interfaces it has etc. This adds another dimension to package searching. Install the debtags package, then search either using "debtags" or "aptitude". Search (or add new tags) at http://debtags.debian.net/ . See also http://wiki.debian.org/Debtags or ask me about <aptitude search>.
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09:04<SynrGy>this can be used to locate things implemented-in::c++
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09:06<Guest1329>you're giving me a lot to work with :). if there's more go on, I'll save the chat
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09:07<SynrGy>might also want to pick and register an irc nickname so you aren't just Guest1329 anymore.
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09:08<RobertPlisson>Hello, I'm running Jessie, is it possible to pull a package from Stretch (testing) or Sid (unstable) just like I can do for Jessie-backports?
09:08<SynrGy>RobertPlisson: you should not do that. however, some packages may be backportable by yourself
09:08<SynrGy>!ssb
09:08<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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09:09<SynrGy>RobertPlisson: which package?
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09:09<RobertPlisson>SynrGy: "livestreamer"
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09:09<SynrGy>,v livestreamer
09:09<Guest1329>I'll try now. there was a nickname..
09:09<judd>Package: livestreamer on amd64 -- jessie: 1.10.2-1; sid: 1.12.2-1; stretch: 1.12.2-1
09:09<SynrGy>,checkbackport livestreamer
09:09<judd>Backporting package livestreamer in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
09:10<SynrGy>RobertPlisson: looks good
09:10<RobertPlisson>SynrGy: livestreamer package is broken on Jessie, doesnt exist in backports. I can install it with pip but I prefer to stick with debian repos.
09:10<SynrGy>yep. so try a backport yourself.
09:10<SynrGy>if you succeed, and can commit to looking after it, you can submit it for inclusion in jessie-backports
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09:11<RobertPlisson>sounds great
09:11<RobertPlisson>SynrGy: can I somehow use this bot functions in a terminal? :)
09:11<SynrGy>(with sponsorship at first, and applying at that time for maintainer status may be a good idea)
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09:12<SynrGy>RobertPlisson: you can query the bot in private messages. but the bot is based on 'UDD' which has several interfaces
09:12<SynrGy>!udd
09:12<dpkg>The Ultimate Debian Database (UDD) is an effort to gather lots of useful information about Debian from a variety of sources and stuff it all into a giant PostgreSQL database. http://wiki.debian.org/UltimateDebianDatabase http://udd.debian.org/
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09:12<SynrGy>i don't know specifically about the 'checkbackport' function
09:12<SynrGy>but the data is all there
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09:13<RobertPlisson>SynrGy: alright, like is there a command line option for apt-get or dpkg which gives the same info as "livestreamer on amd64 -- jessie: 1.10.2-1; sid: 1.12.2-1; stretch: 1.12.2-1"
09:13<SynrGy>RobertPlisson: rmadison maybe?
09:14<RobertPlisson>dunno
09:14<RobertPlisson>I'll check
09:14<SynrGy>RobertPlisson: this is part of the devscripts package. there is also rmadison-lite, separately packaged ... i've never used it
09:14<SynrGy>er, madison-lite, sorry
09:14<RobertPlisson>if not I'll stick on this channel :)
09:15<SynrGy>nope. ignore that, seems to be local only
09:15<SynrGy>the reason you need to do a remote query is your apt only knows about the sources configured for your system, not also for other releases.
09:15<SynrGy>but yeah, stick around, and you can query the bot privately :)
09:15<RobertPlisson>true
09:16<RobertPlisson>oh thats good
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09:16<RobertPlisson>thanks SynrGy
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09:16<SynrGy>e.g. /msg judd v packagename, /msg judd checkbackport packagename
09:16<RobertPlisson>got it
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09:20<stevenm_>hey if I'm using eth1 to *just* receive inbound pppoe requests... how should it look in /etc/network/interfaces
09:20<stevenm_>iface eth1 inet manual ?
09:20<stevenm_>i need it to exist - but don't actually need to configure anything on it you see
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10:35<FLD>is there a channel for .deb hacking?
10:36*SpeedyG hands FLD an axe
10:36<markybob>FLD, what does even mean?
10:37<FLD>modifying .deb packages
10:37<abrotman>in what way?
10:37<FLD>like: apt-get source package; cd package/
10:38<FLD>and then fix some bug and build it
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10:38<themill>that doesn't need a channel, you've just described the entire process.
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10:39<markybob>FLD, what you're missing is perhaps dpkg-buildpackage
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10:39<FLD>using dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us to build
10:40<FLD>it doesn't say if it is applying the patch i added in debian/patches/
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10:41<SynrG>did you read the material i gave you on freenode about debsrc3.0?
10:41<FLD>i'd like to know if the changes were added before i try installing the package
10:41<Guest1340>Hello. Are there problems with the Debian servers? Cannot apt-get upgrade for days ... Connection errors when trying to DL from cdimage.debian.org ...
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10:41<SynrG>isn't just inspecting the source after building good enough?
10:41<FLD>it modifies the upstream source?
10:41<centrx>Guest1340, Why do you have apt-get downoading from cdimage.debian.org
10:42<markybob>Guest1340, working here. pastebin your sources.list
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10:43<SynrG>FLD: it applies the patches in your build tree. that's something you can inspect directly
10:43<SynrG>FLD: it's also logged. and it also should be covered in the links in the factoid i gave you
10:43<SynrG>!debsrc3.0
10:43<dpkg>Rather than having a long set of diffs containing the changelog and any Debian-specific patches to a package in a <diff.gz>, source packages may have a <debian.tar.gz> file instead. See http://wiki.debian.org/Projects/DebSrc3.0 for more information on how to work with the 3.0 source format. See also <policy> <nmg> <source package> <quilt>.
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10:45<SynrG>FLD: query the boot on any of those other related topics and/or read the other xrefs in the wiki article.
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10:45<SynrG>bot*
10:46<SynrG>FLD: it sounds like you never applied the patch. you only put it in the directory
10:46<FLD>yeah i just put it in there
10:46<FLD>doesn't seem to do anything
10:47<SynrG>you might find https://raphaelhertzog.com/2012/08/08/how-to-use-quilt-to-manage-patches-in-debian-packages/ helpful. linked from the wiki page.
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10:47<FLD>i also tried directly modifying the upstream source code
10:47<SynrG>and there are other more official docs linked from the wiki
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10:47<themill>which package is this?
10:47<FLD>its the 'imwheel' package
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10:49<FLD>oh i need to use 'quilt' tool to apply the patch
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10:49<themill>you don't, but you can.
10:50<SynrG>imwheel looks very old / unmaintained
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10:50<SynrG>consider if there is a more modern solution to this problem
10:50<FLD>yeah its not even compatible with Jessies Xorg
10:51<FLD>but with a single line change it can be
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10:51<SynrG>modern Xorg puts everything through evdev. your WM/DE of choice ought to be able to map those events to anything you like
10:52<FLD>per window basis?
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10:52<FLD>imwheel is used to convert thumb button events into Alt+Left and Alt+Right when using vncviewer
10:53<SynrG>don't know. but anything with "im" in it seems like it's attacking the problem at the wrong layer
10:53<SynrG>should be an input layer solution, and not need to know at all about the underlying mouse protocol
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10:53<FLD>as far as i know, its the most perfect fit for the problem
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10:53<SynrG>but using obsolete architectural assumptions
10:54<SynrG>so i would think this would be fragile
10:54<SynrG>hence my suggestion you look for a modern replacement.
10:54<FLD>there is none
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10:55<FLD>this quilt thing is so confusing
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10:56<FLD>im just gonna try ./configure and make
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10:57<SynrG>xbindkeys appears to be a modern, maintained alternative
10:57<FLD>SynrG: it doesn't do window matching?
10:58<FLD>oh cool, ./configure && make gave me a working binary straight away
10:58<FLD>i can just copy this on top of the old one
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10:59<FLD>nobody is ever going to upgrade the package anyways
11:00<SynrG>don't know. but if imwheel is no longer maintained, depending on it seems shaky ...
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11:00<SynrG>it seems more reasonable to find or enhance something that *is* maintained than depend on antiquated software that's at risk of being dropped from the archive
11:02<SynrG>hmm. seems a bit tricky (uses xbindkeys + xte), but: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=380927
11:03<SynrG>xautomation is maintained by QA too :p
11:04<FLD>ok, that thing looks disgusting
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11:04<SynrG>indeed
11:04<SynrG>i wouldn't use it :)
11:04<FLD>i do not wanna be anywhere near when it breaks and needs maintenance
11:05<FLD>the real solution is for xtightvncviewer people to implement mouse thumb button support
11:06<SynrG>oh. so you only need a fix for a specific use case, not in general?
11:06<FLD>yeah only for vnc
11:06<FLD>in imwheel i can just match it with "^xtightvncviewer$"
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12:24<backbox>hi
12:25<backbox>i am having troubles using ettercap
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12:28<stemid>https://paste.debian.net/311341/ I get this output during a recent upgrade but checkrestart says "Found 0 processes using old versions of upgraded files" and /var/run/reboot-required does not exist. am I misunderstanding the output or can the kernel be upgraded without reboots in some cases?
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12:36<etn_>Hello, i'm having problem with unstable wifi on debian 8 LXDE. Could ayonye help me please ?
12:37<PandaStyle>Hi everyone I am trying to install nvidia drivers on my jessie install with a gtx 860m, I have enabled non-free repo and installed bumblebee as it is an optimus card, I have run nvidia-xconfig to generate the xorg file and rebooted, I booted into the command line login screen where i renamed the xorg file to get GUI back, I am stuck from here on out
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12:46<PandaStyle>how do i restore my xconf.org?
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12:48<mtn>PandaStyle, restore it to what? by default there is no xorg.conf file
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12:55<PandaStyle>mtn, ah didnt know that thanks
12:58<etn_>Hi, I have a thinkpad X201 with Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6200 ; i've installed iwlwifi and networkmanager-gnome (i had no wifi with wicd, so i removed it). When I boot on lxde, wifi works for 1 minute, then it's still "on" but i can't download (nor upload) anything.
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12:58<etn_>I know it's not a hardware problem (i've tried with Debian 8 Gnome and it's ok). Any idea about how to resolve this ?
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13:03<shawn>use gnome I suppose
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13:04<Brigo>both lxde and gnome use network-manager, so it should work the same...
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13:17<jhutchins>etn_: Do you have the applet in lxde?
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13:22<etn_>htchins : yes
13:22<etn_>jhutchins : yes
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13:24<etn_>Brigo : I agree with you, and I can see the nm-applet in lxpanel. Do you think it is a problem with a dependency ?
13:24<Brigo>etn_, no, if so, apt-get will warn you.
13:24<etn_>wel, it did not
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13:25<etn_>important : I know it's not a hardware problem, because i've tried with Debian 8 Gnome and it's ok
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13:29<etn_>oh and it looks like i have no ethernet
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13:36<etn_>I must say I have two X201 laptops and both have the same bug.
13:38<etn_>are there any differences between lxde and gnome considering network-manager and its interaction with systemd dbus or rfkill ?
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13:46<etn_>i've just reinstalled wicd and now I can use ethernet, but only via wicd, not via network-manager.
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14:15<exoplanet>Hello, i just realised that my user is in the audio group. Is this a default setting for Debian? In this (older) article for Ubuntu it is not recommended to have the user in the group. http://voices.canonical.com/david.henningsson/2012/07/13/top-five-wrong-ways-to-fix-your-audio/
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14:19<markybob>exoplanet, yes it's normal for a user to be in the audio group
14:19<Brigo>exoplanet, i don't know how the audio works, but remember this is Debian, not Ubuntu. Anyway you can try.
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14:40<exoplanet>Brigo, i do remember that. But i want to understand the differences.
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14:46<flavio>ehy
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14:49<NoirLess>ftp.fi.debian.org doesnt work
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15:26<jhutchins>exoplanet: In Debian you want to be in the audio group.
15:27<jhutchins>!mirrorstatus
15:27<jhutchins>!mirror status
15:27<dpkg>Debian mirrors have timestamp files we use to determine how recently they have been updated. Here are some statistics the mirror maintainers provide: http://mirror.debian.org/status.html and http://ftp.de.debian.org/dmc/today/ Ask me about <mirrors>. #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net.
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15:40<bremner>in the manual partitioning step of d-i, is it possible to choose a luks volume? it seems to only offer dm-crypt encryption
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16:08<Typhoeus>Good afternoon. I'm trying to use apt-get to install gedit on my BeagleBone Black (uname -a: Linux beaglebone 3.8.13-bone47 #1 SMP Fri Apr 11 01:36:09 UTC 2014 armv7l GNU/Linux)
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16:08<Typhoeus>My problem is that apt-get repos seem to be off:
16:09<Typhoeus>W: Failed to fetch http://debian.beagleboard.org/packages/dists/wheezy-bbb/main/binary-armhf/Packages 404 Not Found
16:09<markybob>Typhoeus, did you apt-get update first?
16:09<Typhoeus>Yes.
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16:10<PovAddict>debian.beagleboard.org is not an official Debian repository; ask the beagleboard people
16:10<Typhoeus>That is where I'm seeing the errors.
16:10<overload>What C++ compilers can you use on linux
16:10<markybob>Typhoeus, well i don't know since it's not debian and thus not supported
16:11<Typhoeus>@markybob and PovAddict: Legit. Thank ya'll for your time.
16:11<bremner>overload: gcc and clang are two included with debian
16:11<bremner>g++ and clang++ for the pedants
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16:14<overload>Witch compiler compiles the fastest
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16:15<bremner>depends on your benchmark
16:15<markybob>overload, really? you haven't even mentioned a language
16:15<bremner>and your level of optimization.
16:16<markybob>overload, for giggles let's say gcc5
16:16<overload>I am just going to stay with clang
16:16<bremner>*shrug* ok
16:17<PovAddict>gcc3 is the slowest, that's what I can tell you :)
16:17<bremner>overload: if you really care about performance, you have to test stuff
16:17<overload>it takes 3 hours to compile my program
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16:17<markybob>overload, you're doing it wrong
16:17<markybob>overload, use ccache
16:18<PovAddict>get better hardware
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16:18<bremner>overload: that does sound extreme. Are there several million lines of C++ involved?
16:19<overload>900k lines
16:19<markybob>overload, you're not using ccache because?
16:19<overload>Thats with it
16:20<markybob>no. don't believe you. new hardware...900k...no.
16:21<markybob>or you didn't set up your path
16:21<overload>I am using a Pentium 4 and a 5400 hard drive
16:21<bremner>oh. well. there you are.
16:22<markybob>yep. that fits.
16:22<dmitry-krol>Hi. Need help with bug report. I'm running Debian Testing. After update to the new package version (Inkscape) it stops launching with segmentation fault. Should I include any information in bug report beside kernel and package versions?
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16:23<bremner>dmitry-krol: you should ask in #debian-next, and you should use reportbug
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16:24<dmitry-krol>bremner: ok, thanks!
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16:38<mimi>Hi everybody, I have upgraded to debian 8 this afternoon and it freezes :/ do you think its normal with a Core 2 Duo in 64 bits ? Thanks
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16:39<Brigo>mimi, no, it isn't whe does it freezes?
16:39<Brigo>when*
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16:41<mimi>when I lauched an application
16:41<Brigo>mimi, i mean, which one?
16:41<Brigo>mimi, are you using gnome?
16:41<mimi>iceweasel, even the monitor
16:41<jhutchins>mimi: No, generally Linux works well on older hardware.
16:41<mimi>yes
16:42<jhutchins>mimi: WHen it freezes, can you press Ctrl-Alt-F1 to get a console prompt?
16:43<mimi>I have been using the previous versions of debian for the past 5 years, thats the first time
16:43<mimi>jhutchins i switch on now :)
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16:48<mimi>* that it freezes
16:48<mimi>no i can't
16:48<mimi>*jhutchins
16:50<mimi>i can only restart
16:50<Brigo>mimi, the problem looks like the graphic driver to me.
16:50<Brigo>mimi can you paste the contents of /var/log/Xorg.0.log in paste.debian.net?
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16:52<overload>How do you remove a old video card drive in debian
16:52<mimi>brigo i restart and i paste it :)
16:54<Brigo>overload, removing the package
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17:04<mimi>no i can't brigo
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17:18<bremner>I have a fresh install of jessie with lvm on luks, but it's freezing on first boot at the unlock disk prompt. I can get into a rescue disk, but I'm not sure where to go from there.
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17:48<Brigo>bremner, have you installed plymouth?
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17:49<bremner>Brigo: I just did, but I think it needs configuration
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17:52<bremner>but if it's a hard dependency, then the installer should install it.
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18:01<wwu>hello
18:01<wwu>I was wondering if the testing is usable right _now_
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18:06<bremner>wwu: it's not the best time. also, #debian-next supports testing
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18:20<wwu>bremner, thank you :)
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18:20<jhutchins>mimi: You're going to have to boot into rescue mode to fix it.
18:20<jhutchins>!rescue
18:20<dpkg>i guess rescue is at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ ("Can I use d-i as a rescue system?"). Ask me about <rescue mode>. See also <fixmbr> and <i forgot root's password>.
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18:22<hexy>admin1
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18:22<hexy>heya
18:23<hexy>anyone there?????
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18:23<hexy>*
18:23<bremner>Brigo: great. Now I get a hang at the plymouth prompt.
18:24<hexy>whats that
18:24<bremner>hexy: if you have a debian support question, ask it.
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18:25<hexy>i dont
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18:25<bremner>Brigo: In retrospect, that's probably a red herring, because it also hangs booting into recovery-mode, which doesn't use splash in any case.
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18:29<mimi>jhudgins : thank you but i tried even a non-free driver but unfortunately, it doesn't work
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18:31<mimi>im installing an other distro and wait for a stable graphic driver under debian 8 ;)
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18:39<Brigo>bremner, i didn't know about recovery mode hangs :)
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18:40<bremner>yeah, sadness, I'm going to try a non-expert mode install in case I screwed something up.
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18:43<Brigo>bremner, some ideas: http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/Debugging/
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18:46<bremner>Brigo: well. apparently I'm not an expert. It works ok if I use the standard install.
18:46<Brigo>bremner, you are on your way to :)
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18:48<wittyname>Is it possible to get debian on a smartphone
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18:54<mimi>wittyname : https://wiki.debian.org/Mobile/#Debian_on_mobile_devices
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19:05<wittyname>I trust google to keep my data private.
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19:05<mimi>i don't think so wittyname
19:06<wittyname>I was only joking
19:06<Brigo>wittyname, it is in google play.
19:06<Brigo>i am not joking :)
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19:13<wittyname>I still trust google a little more than apple
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19:15<mimi>+1 wittyname i find apple more like a sect
19:17<wittyname>yeah
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19:19<cheako911>Hulu?
19:20<cheako911>http://www.hulu.com/embed.html?eid=MSsiYiNS2_ix0dgvIz5N2w error 3336.
19:20<cheako911>Using some javascript bookmark was the workaround, that reveals uris like the above.
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19:21<cheako911>Using Chromium/peperflash.
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19:35<vmiora>zdrasti sveta, kak dela
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19:37<svetlana>Hi vmiora , I am in the #debian-russian channel also. I am reading some documentation and also trying to figure out why a certain package is not upgraded (it's packaged but there is a bug preventing it from entering main).
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19:38<centrx>"prevented from entering main"? You mean it's in the NEW incoming queue?
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19:40<vmiora>Sounds like a confusing issue, which package is it
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19:42<svetlana>It is addresses-for-gnustep.. I do not remember where it is, but it has two bugs, of which one I remember but I lost the other one.
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19:48<svetlana>The one I remember is bug 768131, but someone mentioned a second bug sometime ago, and I forgot its number
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19:50<vmiora>Here is the list > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=addresses-for-gnustep I see 768131 and some others there but am not familiar with it to help
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19:54<svetlana>Yes, thanks, that is the sort of thing I was looking for.
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19:57<vmiora>You're welcome, hopefully there is some information useful to you in the reports
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20:02<svetlana>It is, thank you a lot
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20:07<cheako911>Hulu?
20:07<cheako911>http://www.hulu.com/embed.html?eid=MSsiYiNS2_ix0dgvIz5N2w error 3336.
20:07<cheako911>Using some javascript bookmark was the workaround, that reveals uris like the above.
20:07<cheako911>Using Debian Jessie Chromium/peperflash.
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20:43<SHOTbyGUN>using testing repo, but ipv6 seems broken, known issue?
20:44<SHOTbyGUN>eg. ping www.google.com works but ping6 does not... apt-get does now work without force ipv4 and had to disable ipv6 to connect this irc server
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20:46<SHOTbyGUN>sorry, seems like I asked this on wrong channel :(
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20:48<vmiora>Sorry friend, haven't tested that yet
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21:57<AndyJ>Hi people, I've finished installing jessie (to correct the no 3D graphics problem caused by a recent update) and seem to have a computer that has booted. However, it is not displaying the desktop. I'm logged in successfully to CLI, can you please advise what I should do next to find out what is going on?
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21:58<Maratus>Anyone here use OpenCL with Mesa?
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22:00<Maratus>Because I've spent about a week trying to get my GPU working with OpenCL.
22:00<LucasSmaxX>Hola?
22:00<Maratus>It has been nothing but pain.
22:00<Maratus>Hello!
22:00<LucasSmaxX>Hi
22:01<LucasSmaxX>We are you from?
22:01<Maratus>The states.
22:01<LucasSmaxX>Ohhh...
22:01<Maratus>You wouldn't happen to know anything about OpenCL's Mesa drivers would you?
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22:13<uso>AndyJ: try to start your X server manually: X -retro
22:13<uso>that should give you an empty graphical screen with mouse cursor
22:13<uso>if it does not work, check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors
22:14<AndyJ>will do, currently watching it reboot.
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22:16<AndyJ>X -retro results in a screen full of errors
22:16<AndyJ>stepping through log now
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22:19<AndyJ>Fatal server error no screens found
22:20<AndyJ>Server terminated with error (1) closing the log file.
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22:21<uso>AndyJ: what graphics hardware do you have and which driver do you have installed?
22:22<AndyJ>The hardware is Radeon HD6950
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22:23<AndyJ>Not sure how to identify what driver is installed, but think it is as detailed on this page: https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo
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22:24<uso>AndyJ: do you have created an xorg.conf file?
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22:25<AndyJ>I'll have a look.
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22:27<AndyJ>in /etc/X11/ there are a number of xorg.conf.{something} files, however there are none called "xorg.conf"
22:28<uso>AndyJ: can you check if the radeon kernel modul is loaded? lsmod | grep radeon
22:28<AndyJ>I'll give it a whirl with a basic one and see what happens
22:29<uso>AndyJ: I don't think that will change anything as the X server will do exactly that when there is no config file
22:29<uso>but give it a try if you want :)
22:30<AndyJ>Ah. I was thinking that it may assist to be pointed specifically to the radeon driver...
22:31<uso>the X server should use it automatically when the kernel has loaded the radeon module, hence the check above
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22:33<AndyJ>could it be because X can't detect the monitor?
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22:35<uso>I'm not sure what happens when X can't detect a monitor, but I would assume it will start with some standard VGA resolution
22:37<AndyJ>hmm... I'm wondering if I need to install firmware-linux-nonfree as per the AtiHowTo
22:37<uso>well, what's about the kernel module?
22:37<AndyJ>sorry, missed your question above. Will check
22:38<AndyJ>No, it returns nothing.
22:38<uso>and you can check your system log or dmesg for firmware requests
22:38<uso>ok, try to load the module manually or check your system logs for errors
22:39<uso>modprobe radeon
22:40<AndyJ>modprobe radeon appears to have loaded it. lsmod|grep radeon now reports radeon in several places
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22:40<uso>try to start the X server again (X -retro)
22:41<l-s>j
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22:41<AndyJ>same result unfortunately, Fatal server error no screens found
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22:45<uso>AndyJ: the kernel module should switch the console to frame buffer, which the X server later can use, I'm not sure if that mechanism works when you load the module later
22:45<uso>the question is why that module is not loaded during boot
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22:46<uso>AndyJ: you can try to add the radeon module to /etc/modules and see if it is loaded after a reboot
22:47<AndyJ>Looking at video related messages in dmesg now, nothing turned up when grepping for graphics
22:47<AndyJ>OK will do
22:47<uso>AndyJ: grep for radeon, it should at least tell you if it tries to load firmware
22:48<uso>installing the firmware package cannot hurt though :)
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22:49<AndyJ>Only one line, and it may be from our manual start: radeon kernel modsetting enabled.
22:50<AndyJ>currently /etc/modules only contains two lines: loop and sbp2... add radeon to the next line?
22:50<uso>I would say install the firmware package, add the module to /etc/modules and reboot
22:50<uso>yes
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22:51<uso>AndyJ: you may even need firmware-linux-nonfree, not sure if the free one contains radeon firmware
22:52<AndyJ>OK will do that and try reboot. (Assuming that I remember how to insert a line in vi)
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22:52<uso>the AtiHowTo also refers to firmware-linux-nonfree
22:54<uso>AndyJ: you can add the line with: echo radeon >>/etc/modules
22:54<AndyJ>too late, remembered how to use vi :)
22:54<uso>the two >> are essential
22:54<tonyaldo>I was wondering if anyone can help, just installed 8.2 and my touch pad isn't working correctly. Cant scroll or drag nor 2 finger scroll.
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22:56<uso>AndyJ: even better :)
22:57<AndyJ>I must have already installed linux-firmware-nonfree, apt-get said nothing to install. rebooting now.
22:58<AndyJ>same problem, no X, starting manually resulted in the same error. :(
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22:58<brlancer>vbox jessie guest went oom, oom killer took some pids and I was back going. However, my getty1 hung when I tried to log in during oom. systemd marked it failed and queued everything behind it. Saw this today because systemd is using 35-75% of one CPU, did a reset-failed, try-restart systemd-logind, but that's now queued. Do I bounce systemd with daemon-reload? daemon-reexec? How do I unfoul systemd?
22:59<uso>AndyJ: is the kernel module loaded?
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22:59<AndyJ>Ctrl-Alt-F7 reveals a black screen, with a flashing grey cursor
23:00<AndyJ>no, lsmod | grep radeon returns nothing
23:00<AndyJ>checking dmesg
23:00<uso>AndyJ: a graphical cursor? can you start any X client on it?
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23:01<AndyJ>It looks like a text cursor (an underscore), and doesn't seem to respond to any input
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23:01<uso>or try: xdpyinfo -display :0
23:01<AndyJ>No mouse cursor showing
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23:02<AndyJ>returns a bunch of options then three lines of text, anything in particular I should be seeing?
23:03<uso>AndyJ: can you check your system logs if the kernel even has tried to load the radeon module?
23:03<AndyJ>will do, sorry, closer inspection, xdpyinfo -display only returned options
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23:03<uso>AndyJ: that sounds like the X server is running? it did not tell you something like unable to open display ":0"?
23:04<uso>AndyJ: did you miss the ":0" at the end?
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23:04<AndyJ>LOL! this program converted the:O to a smiley.
23:05<uso>hehe :)
23:05<AndyJ>"unable to open display ":0"
23:05<uso>and it's a zero, not the letter O
23:05<uso>ok, so the X server isn't running
23:06<AndyJ>Yeah, sorry, I'm a hopeless typist on this laptop.
23:06<uso>so back to the system logs, check for errors and if ther kernel even has tried to load the radeon module
23:06<AndyJ>(and this isn't the box with the problem)
23:06<AndyJ>OK I'm looking at /var/log/ ... should I be looking in kern.log?
23:07<AndyJ>messages?
23:07<ryouma>xorg log maybe
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23:07<uso>AndyJ: do you have systemd installed? if so, journalctl -b is probably the easiest
23:08<ryouma>you want to tell us the /first/ errors and warnings
23:08<AndyJ>I believe that this upgrade has added systemd... I'll see
23:10<uso>AndyJ: and to check the Xorg.0.log again is also a good idea too
23:11<AndyJ>is there a terminal command that will display extra columns? It looks like some of journalctl -b is off the screen
23:12<uso>AndyJ: you should be able to scroll horizontally
23:12*AndyJ is embarrassed
23:13<AndyJ>here's an interesting line: microcode: AMD CPU family 0xF not supported
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23:14<uso>AndyJ: that's another case, it's the CPU, not the GPU
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23:15<uso>AndyJ: search for radeon in the logs, anything else is secondary for now :)
23:15<AndyJ>:)
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23:17<uso>AndyJ: maybe post your Xorg.0.log to paste.debian.net, so others also may have a look at it
23:18<AndyJ>oooo module radeon is blacklisted!
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23:18<uso>AndyJ: there you go
23:19<Benjaminhusky>that is a problem...
23:20<uso>AndyJ: check the files in /etc/modprobe.d which one blacklists the module
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23:20<uso>AndyJ: have you tried to install fglrx before?
23:21<AndyJ>probably in the past, had many problems with this card, and have tried everything.
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23:23<uso>AndyJ: ok, check /etc/modprobe.d/ for the file with a blacklist entry for radeon
23:23<AndyJ>OK. There is a line in blacklist-fglrx.conf which has a comment above it radeon confilcts with AMD Linux Graphics Driver
23:24<AndyJ>How about I comment out that line, (blacklist radeon) or delete the whole file?
23:24<uso>check if tha file still belongs to a package: dpkg -S /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-fglrx.conf
23:26<AndyJ>no path found matching pattern /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-fglrx.conf
23:26<AndyJ>I'll double check that command using autocomplete, just to be sure I haven't introduced a typo
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23:27<uso>AndyJ: ok, then it's probably a leftover from an fglrx installation and you can delete it
23:27<AndyJ>with extreme prejudice!
23:27<AndyJ>time for another restart?
23:28<uso>AndyJ: maybe also remove the radeon entry in /etc/modules before you reboot
23:28<uso>it should work without it now
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23:29<AndyJ>done
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23:30<uso>reboot and hope :)
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23:30<AndyJ>ooo smaller font visible during boot. This is a GOOD sign.
23:30<uso>indeed :)
23:31<AndyJ>graphical log in screen!
23:31<uso>congrats!
23:32<Atm0spher1c>is it possible to install 32 bit packages and keep the 64 bit as well? I noticed for certain packages it will remove the 64 bit, and other times you can have both. Is this correct?
23:32<AndyJ>Desktop has started!!! Thankyou uso!!!
23:32*AndyJ runs around the room like a loon!
23:33<uso>no problem, glad we found the culprit in the end :)
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23:34<AndyJ>May not be there yet... but so close... Evolution has not started, I'll check to see if anything using 3D graphics does.
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23:35<uso>AndyJ: that may be another question, if your card is quite a new one 3D acceleration may not be supported by the radeon driver (yet)
23:36<AndyJ>Unfortunately the card is not very new, at least a couple of years old.
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23:39<AndyJ>looking here: https://wiki.debian.org/Mesa#Testingperformance
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23:40<AndyJ>I can see a bunch of errors about libGL being unable to load driver r600_dri.so
23:40<uso>AndyJ: do you use the standard jessie kernel (3.16)? if so you could try with the kernel from backports (4.1 afaik) if it has better support for your card
23:41<AndyJ>I'm just going to switch boxes, so that I can cut and paste results... brb
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23:41<uso>!kernel
23:41<dpkg>Linux kernel versions, mainline: 4.2, stable 4.1: 4.1.6, longterm 3.18: 3.18.21, longterm 3.14: 3.14.51, longterm 3.12: 3.12.47, longterm 3.10: 3.10.87, longterm 3.4: 3.4.108, longterm 3.2: 3.2.71, longterm 2.6.32: 2.6.32.67, linux-next: next-20150911
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23:42<AndyJ>OK. Output of uname -a :
23:42<AndyJ>Linux tuxbox 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u3 (2015-08-04) x86_64 GNU/Linux
23:43<uso>,v linux-image-amd64
23:43<judd>Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.6.32+29; squeeze-backports: 3.2+46~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63; jessie-backports: 4.1+67~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.1+67; sid: 4.1+67
23:43<uso>you could try the one from backports
23:44<AndyJ>Hmm... how do I choose?
23:44<uso>!jessie-backports
23:44<dpkg>Selected packages intended for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>.
23:44<AndyJ>By the way, the new desktop looks very nice!
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23:44<uso>see the part about sources.list
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23:46<AndyJ>OK. This may explain why there was a backports line in /etc/apt/sources.list before... adding the line now.
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23:49<AndyJ>So should I re-run apt-get update, apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree libgl1-mesa-dri xserver-xorg-video-ati ???
23:50<uso>AndyJ: no, just apt-get update and then apt-get install to install the newer kernel
23:50<AndyJ>OK.
23:50<AndyJ>Wish me luck. :)
23:50<uso>I don't think there are newer versions of the X server in backports
23:51<uso>apt-cache search linux-image|grep bpo should give you a list
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23:52<uso>AndyJ: you can (and should) keep the other kernel installed at least for now until you know the kernel from backports works better for you
23:53<AndyJ>apt-get install returns a long list of things to be autoremoved, and reports nothing to install.
23:53<uso>you have to add the name of the kernel package to the apt-get install ;)
23:54<AndyJ>I thought that there was something missing...
23:54<AndyJ>So, how would I be able to determine if the kernel from backports works better?
23:54<uso>and the packages to remove are probably auto-installed packages which are not needed anymore
23:55<uso>but better double check the list before you allow apt to remove the packages
23:55<AndyJ>Yes. I'll get rid of them now, so that that message doesn't keep coming up.
23:56<AndyJ>It is a long list, and I don't recognise any of it as being something that I've added to the system.
23:56<uso>by rebooting the system with the kernel from backports, the newer kernel should boot by default, but you also can select it explicitly in the grub boot menu
23:56<uso>AndyJ: you have a 64bit system, I assume?
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