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00:20<Schnabeltier>a simple way to temporarly shut down the x, the wm and enter a shell?
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00:50<shawn>enable ctrl+alt+backspace
00:53<Schnabeltier>it gives me some terminal window, but no shell input...
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01:39<Schnabeltier>any way to implent a selector at booting for booting the normal desktop (mate) or a plain x server?
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01:45<jm_>at boot only DM is started, not a full desktop system
01:45<jm_>unless you reconfigured the DM to auto-login
01:46<PovAddict>so if you want to make that choice you would probably do it on the DM
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01:49<Schnabeltier>mhm the DM? means lightdm-gtk-greeter?
01:49<dpkg>DM means Display Manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. <xdm>, <gdm>, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm,, <slim> and <lightdm> are all examples of display managers. Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable the DM. Or Debian Maintainer: . For the deb-multimedia repository, ask me about <dmm>.
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01:50<dpkg>Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (
01:51<jm_>please msg the bot if you want to ask it about all that stuff (/msg dpkg foo)
01:51<Schnabeltier>ah okay, sorry didn´t know about the pm feature
01:52<jm_>no need to apologize, it was just a precaution notice
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01:58<Schnabeltier>A Display-Manager is needed to run a Window-Manager? Did i google that right? So the DM starts X with the WM on top, which is in charge for the window handling on the x-server?
02:00<jm_>you can still start X server manually using startx so it's not strictly needed
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02:02<askuyue>I am new here.
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02:03<askuyue>How to use GnuCash?
02:03<jm_>askuyue: read its manual, gnucash-docs package
02:03<twb>I want to generate a syslog warning when I have a NIC that can do (say) 1000baseT-FD but negotiates something lower (like 100baseT-FD). Is there a way to do this without parsing ethtool/mii-tool output?
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02:04<twb>AFAICT the answer is no, because other methods (like ip l; /sys/class/net/eth0/*) only have the negotiated speed, not the hardware's potential.
02:04<askuyue>ok, thanks.
02:05<PovAddict>twb: hardcode the hardware's potential and compare to the negotiated speed from /sys :P
02:05<twb>(I need to know both because otherwise booting with a 100MB NIC will generate a warning every time.)
02:05<twb>PovAddict: I don't control what hardware the customer purchases :-/
02:05<PovAddict>ah not fixed system
02:05<Schnabeltier>I was told xbmc doesn´t need a WM, so i wanted to add interruption at boot to choose when to boot normal with DM and WM and the other option just to start the plain x server with xbmc
02:05<twb>Actually the primary use case is to detect when they bought our desktops but didn't buy our switches
02:06<PovAddict>well how does ethtool work?
02:06<twb>PovAddict: ethtool gives output reliably, it's just horrible to parse
02:06<PovAddict>I mean instead of parsing ethtool output, do the same as what ethtool does to get its data... assuming it's not *too* complicated
02:07<PovAddict>or change ethtool to produce parseable output :) open source ftw
02:09<jm_>Schnabeltier: you could do that using systemd by creating new target and pass for example
02:10<twb>PovAddict: yeah plan... D is to just use python's socket library to do what ethtool does, but ethtool is a bit obfuscated
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02:10<PovAddict>twb: you're getting really close to nerdsniping me and getting me to hack parseable output into ethtool
02:11<PovAddict>I better go to bed before that happens ^^
02:11<twb>strace seems to indicate that ethtool just opens a UNIX DGRAM socket and then somehow immediately has all the details of eth0
02:12<twb>I can't even see where it uses eth0 except in printing the output
02:13<Schnabeltier>jm_ : i beg your pardon, may you use more simple words. i can hardly understand what you´re trying to say, not the language but the subject....
02:13<askuyue>what is function of 'chmod 777'?
02:14<twb>askuyue: it breaks your system
02:14<Schnabeltier>"chmod 777" should mean "file/folder act like a bitch and let every user touch you", if i remember right.
02:16<jm_>twb: ioctl(3, SIOCETHTOOL
02:17<jm_>Schnabeltier: well not really
02:17<twb>jm_: hm OK
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02:20<jm_>!tell askuyue -about grounding
02:20<Schnabeltier>i´m still googling to understand how DMs and WMs work, what impact noDM would have... i don´t know systemd :( need more time to google
02:21<jm_>"nodm" tells you how to configure the system so that DM is not started at boot
02:21<askuyue>what is the phrase that is it breaks your system?
02:21<askuyue>I just do it with command 'chmod 777 xmaple'.
02:22<dakka>askuyue, it means full read write by any1
02:22<askuyue>got it.
02:24<askuyue>since i want to make a shutcut with script that is ' <!-- Launch leafpad with Win + m -->
02:24<askuyue> <keybind key="W-m">
02:24<askuyue> <action name="Execute">
02:24<askuyue> <command>/opt/maple18/bin/xmaple</command>
02:24<askuyue> </action>
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02:25<Schnabeltier>since the DM handles the users login to different WMs installing noDM would autologin a given user to a predefined WM right?
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02:27<jm_>Schnabeltier: yes, but you can a) change what to start using ~/.xsession or b) configure DM for auto-login, which has the same effect
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02:30<twb>Heh. strace of ethtool shows ioctl(3, SIOCETHTOOL, 0x7ffdae003110) = 0
02:30<twb>But if I try that in python it whinges about: OverflowError: signed integer is greater than maximum
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02:33<twb>Some other poor sod followed jwz's law:
02:34<jm_>twb: the actual request in the code is struct ethtool_cmd ecmd; ecmd.cmd = ETHTOOL_GSET; and _GSET is 0x00000001
02:35<twb>my brain hurts
02:35<jm_>so 0x7ffdae003110 might just be a pointer to struct ethtool_cmd ecmd I guess
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02:35<twb>And there's a python-ethtool
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02:36<slasharash>i don't have sudo installed in my jessie! and when i try to install with apt-get it request cd image what should i do?
02:36<jm_>!tell slasharash -about sources.list
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02:37<twb>Can't you just click through the CD prompt?
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02:37<twb>Like "press RET if you lost the CD" or something
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02:38<slasharash>i dont have cd image, i install it from usb flash memory
02:38<jm_>networking probably did not work at install time so only cdrom entries are in sources.list, my guess ...
02:39<twb>Ha! python-ethtool is mostly a .so
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02:40<slasharash>is there a way to install it from iso file, usb or net?
02:40<twb>slasharash: see the sources.list info that dpkg bot sent you
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02:41<dense>Would anyone be willing to help me with the nvidia driver?
02:42<jm_>dense: you mean how to install non-free driver?
02:42<twb>If only I had not deliberately compiled apt and dpkg out of the kiosk :/
02:42<twb>Curse you, past twb
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02:45<dense>I followed those instructions but it does not work. X will not start, I get an error about an unimplemented function, nvidia-current I think?
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02:46<PovAddict>twb: see the "I am a moron" section :)
02:47<twb>WTH is debb
02:47<twb>that article doesn't seem to say
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02:47<PovAddict>it does
02:48<PovAddict>"DEBB is not just class documentation but encompasses all of the normal sources we use when trying to understand an API. DEBB stands for Documentation, Examples, Blogs and Books."
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02:49<twb>Ack I see what you're saying now
02:49<jm_>put your X logfile on the paste site (/msg dpkg paste)
02:50<twb>By the time *I* write documentation, it's usually because I had to RTFS a whole lot :P
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02:52<twb>Grmph python-ethtool just prints "NOT supported!" for me
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02:55<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
02:55<jm_>denst: ^^^^^^
02:55<twb>I'm tempted to just use perl and not tell my coworkers
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02:56<dense>thank you
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02:56<jm_>log is /var/log/Xorg.0.log
02:57<sdjoaj>If a Debian install is smaller on drive than the system RAM does everything get loaded into memory?
02:58<twb>sdjoaj: eventually, yes
02:58<twb>sdjoaj: for debian live, you can front-load it using the toram options
02:59<sdjoaj>Specifically it's 16GB memory and 5GB on a 120GB SSD.
02:59<twb>sdjoaj: (in general, linux will use "spare" RAM as a disk cache.)
02:59<twb>You could probably brute-force it on a regular install by doing something like find / -xdev -type f -exec cat {} + >/dev/null
03:00<twb>or see readahead(2) syscall
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03:00<jm_>dense: please prefix messages for me with jm_, from now on if I ask for some outputs, put those on the paste site as well if they are more than 2 lines; at this time these outputs are needed: dpkg -l | grep nvidia ; find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) | grep nvidia
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03:00<twb>sdjoaj: what's your use case?
03:00<jm_>it probably makes little sense to bother with this with a SSD drive
03:01<twb>unless it's a crap SSD :P
03:01<twb>120GB means it's an intel SSD so that's not the case
03:01<jm_>i have that one, i wouldn't describe it as crap, just slow when compared to modern ones :)
03:02<jm_>although it was crap initially with the CTX bug
03:02<sdjoaj>Lightweight server. Handles storage, chat, VPN, TV recording, etc.
03:02<twb>my ssd can't do sata ALPM :-/
03:02<twb>And it's literally the *only* SSD manufactured in that M.2 2242 form factor
03:02<PovAddict>I have a Lenovo laptop with a mechanical hard disk and a tiny SSD used for caching (with some proprietary Windows driver)
03:02<dense>jm_ apologies, thank you for the help. I do not currently have the driver installed.
03:02<jm_>dense: but then you haven't followed the docs on the wiki?
03:03<PovAddict>I tried using the SSD as a disk (compiling code in it)
03:03<jm_>twb: hmm, there's plenty of M2 ssd-s out there now
03:03<twb>jm_: last time I looked, not in taht form fator
03:03<PovAddict>but every time I tried, after a few minutes the SSD would hang and disappear as a disk device until I rebooted
03:03<PovAddict>firmware bug I bet
03:03<twb>jm_: they were all apple-sized ones which are 62 or 82 long
03:03<dense>jm_ I did, x would not start so I removed it. I have tried to find solutions on the internet to no avail.
03:04<jm_>dense: well decide how to continue
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03:05<dense>jm_ I am unsure what you mean by that.
03:06<jm_>twb: ahh you can only fit 42mm drives? there should be more choice nowadays
03:06<jm_>dense: reinstall nvidia driver and try to figure out the issues or ...
03:06<twb>it's for a Acer C720P crbook
03:07<dense>jm_ I see, I will need to log in here from a different computer then.
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03:24<shawn>twb: I have a c720
03:24<shawn>I use a mydigitalssd for a long time now with no issues. but I flashed it with over provisioning firmware right away
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03:28<dense>jm_: I have followed the instructions here: and have encountered the same problem. What information did you want?
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03:29<jm_>dense: to start with, the same as before, x log + those outputs
03:29<dense>jm_: Would you repeat the outputs that you need?
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03:30<jm_>dense: dpkg -l | grep nvidia ; find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) | grep nvidia
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03:38<jm_>dense: dmesg output shall hold a clue
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03:43<dense>jm_ I apologize but I do not understand.
03:43<jm_>dense: run dmesg, put its output on the paste site
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03:50<jm_>dense: run 'modprobe nvidia-current'
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03:51<admitry>Hello everybody. I need help, searching the Internet did not give anything sensible. Established backuppc, and can not seem to adjust to local backup. my system Debian 8. Explain how to configure a novice or a link to a resource where you can read about this in more detail. Thank you in advance.
03:51<jm_>hah Gaming Mouse G600, I have G502
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03:59<jm_>dense: wait, I am a moron, you haven't got the nvidia-current driver built, dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms
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04:02<dense>jm_: It appears that I am missing the source for my kernel
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04:06<jm_>dense: the wiki page says to install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-kernel-dkms
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04:08<dense>jm_: I did that
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04:09<jm_>dense: then upload the outputs of what dpkg-reconfigure ... command said and 'dpkg -l | grep linux-headers'
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04:18<dense>jm_: it appears that I do not have them, but I cannot find them to install
04:18<jm_>dense: what does 'uname -r' say? you can pste it directly here
04:19<dense>jm_: 4.1.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
04:20<jm_>dense: you have it for your original kernel but not for the bpo one
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04:21<jm_>dense: install the headers again using the above command
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04:23<dense>jm_: No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
04:23<jm_>dense: what exactly did you type?
04:24<dense>sudo aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-kernel-dkms
04:24<jm_>what does echo linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') show?
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04:26<jm_>ok just find the kernel package name, dpkg -l | grep linux-image-4 and install related linux-headers package (btw, there's a newer one on bpo now)
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04:30<dense>jm_: Thank you again for your patience and help. I am unsure what bpo means. I cannot find headers for the kernel version that I have.
04:31<jm_>dense: give me the output of the grep command, bpo means backports
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04:36<jm_>dense: linux-headers-4.1.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
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04:45<dense>jm_: I did not have backports in my sources.list. I think that is probably the cause of my trouble.
04:45<jm_>dense: but how did you install the bpo kernel then?
04:45<dense>jm_: I'm not sure, this is a new install.
04:46<jm_>dense: bpo kernels are not installed by default
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06:33<oscarr>Hello :)
06:35<oscarr>one question about vokoscreen that is in debian repos ... its showing that is using avcodecs but its sending to avcodec parameters that are supported by ffmpeg only - is that normal.
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06:38<twb>No idea, but I heard debian is switching back to ffmpeg, so I guess it will be fine in stretch ;-)
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06:42<pajaro>is there something like the system-config-printer for scanners?
06:43<pajaro>i remember not long ago to "just" scan through a network scanner
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06:43<pajaro>because the printer was recognized as scanner as well... im on the same computer and the same scanner
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06:46<reiko1>help pls
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06:47<twb>pajaro: I think system-config-* is a redhatism
06:48<pajaro>$ sudo service sane start \n Failed to start sane.service: Unit sane.service failed to load: No such file or directory.
06:48<pajaro>twb, is not really a redhatism, they are upstream and name their utils as they want :>
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06:48<pajaro>what i meant is... im looking for something to configure my scanner, since the last time it just work
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06:49<twb>RH certainly aren't upstream for cups. I dunno about sane.
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06:49<pajaro>upstream for their nice looking interfaces to stuff
06:49<twb> <-- no dice
06:50<twb>(Yes, I know I should jsut use apt-file or dctrl-tools.)
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06:52<reiko1>someone can help me configure the xorg srver after installing fglrx-driver packages and headers?
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06:53<towo`>!fglrx dkms
06:53<dpkg>For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` fglrx-driver && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf». Restart your system to enable the <radeon> blacklist.
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06:53<towo`>reiko1, read it
06:54<reiko1>towo i dont know which lines i should write in "Device" , "My GPU" , "fglrx"
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06:54<towo`>do itz equal, as you can read
06:55<towo`>mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf
06:55<towo`>there is nothing to change
06:55<pajaro>tbh, i think cups and system-config-printer is able to detect all-in-one scanners and announce it as that to the system... but for some reason is not working... when i start xscan it complains that it doesnt find an scanner
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06:56<reiko1>now i should restart my system and thats it?
06:56<towo`>so it is
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07:03<oscarr>Im back :)
07:04<oscarr>one more question: how to go back to debian packages after removing deb-multimedia from sources.list ?
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07:05<jm_>you install the packages from debian, how else?
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07:08<twb>aptitude search '?narrow(?installed, ?not(?archive(debian)))' might work to find them
07:09<oscarr>thx ... i will try this
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07:10<twb>sorry ?origin not ?archive
07:12<twb>Of course that doesn't work for me to find libdvdcss2...
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07:14<twb>I tell a lie, it worked perfectly.
07:15<twb>Anyway, for each of those do apt-get install foo/jessie
07:15<oscarr>i found big list .. ffmpeg, avcodec libs ... etc.
07:16<oscarr>how to bring back debian versions of those ?
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07:19<oscarr>ok .. I found :)
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07:20<ixi>Hi. I have 3 domain names, for example:,, I would like to configure my local dns server so that it responds for any resolution query for those domains, AND any of their subdomains of ANY level with address
07:21<ixi>how to do this? any documentation
07:21<ixi>I want to resolve to and too
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07:56<stemid>does any PAM guru here know how I can configure /etc/pam.d/sshd to allow for sftpusers but not for anyone else? I've already tried to skip the rest of pam.d/sshd using with a default=15 to skip all 15 modules included by password-auth, or default=1 to skip just the session include line but none of that works. either I get bad jump in stack or p
07:56<stemid>am_unix denies my user.
07:57<stemid>if it wasn't for openssh hard coding the pam service name I wouldn't be in this mess.
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07:59<jm_>probably the only sane solution would be to change the code is it uses different PAM service for sftp
07:59<jm_>so, not is
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08:00<stemid>jm_: yes that has been on my mind too. maybe it is the solution after all because when I use this config in vsftpd I have no problems since it only has two rules.
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08:11<stemid>actually, at closer inspection, it seems openssh uses argv[0] as pam service name. so it should be as simple as renaming the binary then I guess.
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08:14<Guest1329>hi. does debian have a central resource where requests are made for new features?
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08:15<jm_>what kind of new features?
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08:19<Guest1329>well i'm a hobby developer using c++. I'd like to have a place I can find things people are looking for (when I have time), then upload solutions so debian developers (members) can use them
08:21<jm_>BTS is full of wishlist items + there are many in upstream databases
08:21<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>.
08:22<jm_>but on that note, it's off for me
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08:25<Guest1329>okay, I'm guessing I should be able to use <apt-listbugs> to save in file format?
08:26<Guest1329>or just copy and paste
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08:31<SynrGy>Guest1329: the wnpp is also where people request new packages, request adoption of existing packages, etc.
08:31<SynrGy>!tell Guest1329 about wnpp
08:31<SynrGy>!tell Guest1329 about how-can-i-help
08:32<SynrGy>apt-listbugs is something else. it's an apt plugin to tell you which bugs would affect incoming upgrades.
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08:52<Guest1329>so I'll use BTS. how do I access wishlist items in upstream databases
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08:55<SynrGy>by searching individual upstream trackers
08:55<SynrGy>debian keeps no central repository of those
08:56<SynrGy>the only ones you would find are wishlist debian bugs xreffed to upstream bugs
08:56<SynrGy>sometimes it happens that a debian user files a debian bug, and this gets tagged 'forwarded' and upstream then keeps a separate bug# in their system.
08:57<SynrGy>just look in the BTS for any 'wishlist' priority bugs
08:57<SynrGy>(but not all of those pertain to upstream)
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08:59<SynrGy>the ones that do should also be tagged 'upstream', i guess
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09:01<SynrGy>for example, assuming correct tagging of those:
09:01<SynrGy>and from that query we get exactly one debian bug priority wishlist, tagged upstream in unstable.
09:02<SynrGy>for samba
09:02<SynrGy>hmm. i should have used src:samba:
09:03<SynrGy>there. now we have three
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09:03<SynrGy>Guest1329: so play with the web interface a bit and see if you can locate things that have been asked for in packages you care about :)
09:04<dpkg>hmm... debtags is a way of categorising packages with tags (facets) that describe how a package can be used, what data it can read/write, what interfaces it has etc. This adds another dimension to package searching. Install the debtags package, then search either using "debtags" or "aptitude". Search (or add new tags) at . See also or ask me about <aptitude search>.
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09:04<SynrGy>this can be used to locate things implemented-in::c++
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09:06<Guest1329>you're giving me a lot to work with :). if there's more go on, I'll save the chat
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09:07<SynrGy>might also want to pick and register an irc nickname so you aren't just Guest1329 anymore.
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09:08<RobertPlisson>Hello, I'm running Jessie, is it possible to pull a package from Stretch (testing) or Sid (unstable) just like I can do for Jessie-backports?
09:08<SynrGy>RobertPlisson: you should not do that. however, some packages may be backportable by yourself
09:08<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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09:09<SynrGy>RobertPlisson: which package?
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09:09<RobertPlisson>SynrGy: "livestreamer"
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09:09<SynrGy>,v livestreamer
09:09<Guest1329>I'll try now. there was a nickname..
09:09<judd>Package: livestreamer on amd64 -- jessie: 1.10.2-1; sid: 1.12.2-1; stretch: 1.12.2-1
09:09<SynrGy>,checkbackport livestreamer
09:09<judd>Backporting package livestreamer in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
09:10<SynrGy>RobertPlisson: looks good
09:10<RobertPlisson>SynrGy: livestreamer package is broken on Jessie, doesnt exist in backports. I can install it with pip but I prefer to stick with debian repos.
09:10<SynrGy>yep. so try a backport yourself.
09:10<SynrGy>if you succeed, and can commit to looking after it, you can submit it for inclusion in jessie-backports
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09:11<RobertPlisson>sounds great
09:11<RobertPlisson>SynrGy: can I somehow use this bot functions in a terminal? :)
09:11<SynrGy>(with sponsorship at first, and applying at that time for maintainer status may be a good idea)
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09:12<SynrGy>RobertPlisson: you can query the bot in private messages. but the bot is based on 'UDD' which has several interfaces
09:12<dpkg>The Ultimate Debian Database (UDD) is an effort to gather lots of useful information about Debian from a variety of sources and stuff it all into a giant PostgreSQL database.
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09:12<SynrGy>i don't know specifically about the 'checkbackport' function
09:12<SynrGy>but the data is all there
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09:13<RobertPlisson>SynrGy: alright, like is there a command line option for apt-get or dpkg which gives the same info as "livestreamer on amd64 -- jessie: 1.10.2-1; sid: 1.12.2-1; stretch: 1.12.2-1"
09:13<SynrGy>RobertPlisson: rmadison maybe?
09:14<RobertPlisson>I'll check
09:14<SynrGy>RobertPlisson: this is part of the devscripts package. there is also rmadison-lite, separately packaged ... i've never used it
09:14<SynrGy>er, madison-lite, sorry
09:14<RobertPlisson>if not I'll stick on this channel :)
09:15<SynrGy>nope. ignore that, seems to be local only
09:15<SynrGy>the reason you need to do a remote query is your apt only knows about the sources configured for your system, not also for other releases.
09:15<SynrGy>but yeah, stick around, and you can query the bot privately :)
09:16<RobertPlisson>oh thats good
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09:16<RobertPlisson>thanks SynrGy
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09:16<SynrGy>e.g. /msg judd v packagename, /msg judd checkbackport packagename
09:16<RobertPlisson>got it
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09:20<stevenm_>hey if I'm using eth1 to *just* receive inbound pppoe requests... how should it look in /etc/network/interfaces
09:20<stevenm_>iface eth1 inet manual ?
09:20<stevenm_>i need it to exist - but don't actually need to configure anything on it you see
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10:35<FLD>is there a channel for .deb hacking?
10:36*SpeedyG hands FLD an axe
10:36<markybob>FLD, what does even mean?
10:37<FLD>modifying .deb packages
10:37<abrotman>in what way?
10:37<FLD>like: apt-get source package; cd package/
10:38<FLD>and then fix some bug and build it
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10:38<themill>that doesn't need a channel, you've just described the entire process.
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10:39<markybob>FLD, what you're missing is perhaps dpkg-buildpackage
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10:39<FLD>using dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us to build
10:40<FLD>it doesn't say if it is applying the patch i added in debian/patches/
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10:41<SynrG>did you read the material i gave you on freenode about debsrc3.0?
10:41<FLD>i'd like to know if the changes were added before i try installing the package
10:41<Guest1340>Hello. Are there problems with the Debian servers? Cannot apt-get upgrade for days ... Connection errors when trying to DL from ...
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10:41<SynrG>isn't just inspecting the source after building good enough?
10:41<FLD>it modifies the upstream source?
10:41<centrx>Guest1340, Why do you have apt-get downoading from
10:42<markybob>Guest1340, working here. pastebin your sources.list
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10:43<SynrG>FLD: it applies the patches in your build tree. that's something you can inspect directly
10:43<SynrG>FLD: it's also logged. and it also should be covered in the links in the factoid i gave you
10:43<dpkg>Rather than having a long set of diffs containing the changelog and any Debian-specific patches to a package in a <diff.gz>, source packages may have a <debian.tar.gz> file instead. See for more information on how to work with the 3.0 source format. See also <policy> <nmg> <source package> <quilt>.
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10:45<SynrG>FLD: query the boot on any of those other related topics and/or read the other xrefs in the wiki article.
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10:46<SynrG>FLD: it sounds like you never applied the patch. you only put it in the directory
10:46<FLD>yeah i just put it in there
10:46<FLD>doesn't seem to do anything
10:47<SynrG>you might find helpful. linked from the wiki page.
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10:47<FLD>i also tried directly modifying the upstream source code
10:47<SynrG>and there are other more official docs linked from the wiki
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10:47<themill>which package is this?
10:47<FLD>its the 'imwheel' package
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10:49<FLD>oh i need to use 'quilt' tool to apply the patch
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10:49<themill>you don't, but you can.
10:50<SynrG>imwheel looks very old / unmaintained
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10:50<SynrG>consider if there is a more modern solution to this problem
10:50<FLD>yeah its not even compatible with Jessies Xorg
10:51<FLD>but with a single line change it can be
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10:51<SynrG>modern Xorg puts everything through evdev. your WM/DE of choice ought to be able to map those events to anything you like
10:52<FLD>per window basis?
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10:52<FLD>imwheel is used to convert thumb button events into Alt+Left and Alt+Right when using vncviewer
10:53<SynrG>don't know. but anything with "im" in it seems like it's attacking the problem at the wrong layer
10:53<SynrG>should be an input layer solution, and not need to know at all about the underlying mouse protocol
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10:53<FLD>as far as i know, its the most perfect fit for the problem
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10:53<SynrG>but using obsolete architectural assumptions
10:54<SynrG>so i would think this would be fragile
10:54<SynrG>hence my suggestion you look for a modern replacement.
10:54<FLD>there is none
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10:55<FLD>this quilt thing is so confusing
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10:56<FLD>im just gonna try ./configure and make
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10:57<SynrG>xbindkeys appears to be a modern, maintained alternative
10:57<FLD>SynrG: it doesn't do window matching?
10:58<FLD>oh cool, ./configure && make gave me a working binary straight away
10:58<FLD>i can just copy this on top of the old one
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10:59<FLD>nobody is ever going to upgrade the package anyways
11:00<SynrG>don't know. but if imwheel is no longer maintained, depending on it seems shaky ...
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11:00<SynrG>it seems more reasonable to find or enhance something that *is* maintained than depend on antiquated software that's at risk of being dropped from the archive
11:02<SynrG>hmm. seems a bit tricky (uses xbindkeys + xte), but:
11:03<SynrG>xautomation is maintained by QA too :p
11:04<FLD>ok, that thing looks disgusting
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11:04<SynrG>i wouldn't use it :)
11:04<FLD>i do not wanna be anywhere near when it breaks and needs maintenance
11:05<FLD>the real solution is for xtightvncviewer people to implement mouse thumb button support
11:06<SynrG>oh. so you only need a fix for a specific use case, not in general?
11:06<FLD>yeah only for vnc
11:06<FLD>in imwheel i can just match it with "^xtightvncviewer$"
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12:25<backbox>i am having troubles using ettercap
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12:28<stemid> I get this output during a recent upgrade but checkrestart says "Found 0 processes using old versions of upgraded files" and /var/run/reboot-required does not exist. am I misunderstanding the output or can the kernel be upgraded without reboots in some cases?
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12:36<etn_>Hello, i'm having problem with unstable wifi on debian 8 LXDE. Could ayonye help me please ?
12:37<PandaStyle>Hi everyone I am trying to install nvidia drivers on my jessie install with a gtx 860m, I have enabled non-free repo and installed bumblebee as it is an optimus card, I have run nvidia-xconfig to generate the xorg file and rebooted, I booted into the command line login screen where i renamed the xorg file to get GUI back, I am stuck from here on out
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12:46<PandaStyle>how do i restore my
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12:48<mtn>PandaStyle, restore it to what? by default there is no xorg.conf file
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12:55<PandaStyle>mtn, ah didnt know that thanks
12:58<etn_>Hi, I have a thinkpad X201 with Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6200 ; i've installed iwlwifi and networkmanager-gnome (i had no wifi with wicd, so i removed it). When I boot on lxde, wifi works for 1 minute, then it's still "on" but i can't download (nor upload) anything.
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12:58<etn_>I know it's not a hardware problem (i've tried with Debian 8 Gnome and it's ok). Any idea about how to resolve this ?
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13:03<shawn>use gnome I suppose
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13:04<Brigo>both lxde and gnome use network-manager, so it should work the same...
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13:17<jhutchins>etn_: Do you have the applet in lxde?
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13:22<etn_>htchins : yes
13:22<etn_>jhutchins : yes
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13:24<etn_>Brigo : I agree with you, and I can see the nm-applet in lxpanel. Do you think it is a problem with a dependency ?
13:24<Brigo>etn_, no, if so, apt-get will warn you.
13:24<etn_>wel, it did not
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13:25<etn_>important : I know it's not a hardware problem, because i've tried with Debian 8 Gnome and it's ok
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13:29<etn_>oh and it looks like i have no ethernet
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13:36<etn_>I must say I have two X201 laptops and both have the same bug.
13:38<etn_>are there any differences between lxde and gnome considering network-manager and its interaction with systemd dbus or rfkill ?
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13:46<etn_>i've just reinstalled wicd and now I can use ethernet, but only via wicd, not via network-manager.
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14:15<exoplanet>Hello, i just realised that my user is in the audio group. Is this a default setting for Debian? In this (older) article for Ubuntu it is not recommended to have the user in the group.
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14:19<markybob>exoplanet, yes it's normal for a user to be in the audio group
14:19<Brigo>exoplanet, i don't know how the audio works, but remember this is Debian, not Ubuntu. Anyway you can try.
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14:40<exoplanet>Brigo, i do remember that. But i want to understand the differences.
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14:49<NoirLess> doesnt work
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15:26<jhutchins>exoplanet: In Debian you want to be in the audio group.
15:27<jhutchins>!mirror status
15:27<dpkg>Debian mirrors have timestamp files we use to determine how recently they have been updated. Here are some statistics the mirror maintainers provide: and Ask me about <mirrors>. #debian-mirrors on
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15:40<bremner>in the manual partitioning step of d-i, is it possible to choose a luks volume? it seems to only offer dm-crypt encryption
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16:08<Typhoeus>Good afternoon. I'm trying to use apt-get to install gedit on my BeagleBone Black (uname -a: Linux beaglebone 3.8.13-bone47 #1 SMP Fri Apr 11 01:36:09 UTC 2014 armv7l GNU/Linux)
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16:08<Typhoeus>My problem is that apt-get repos seem to be off:
16:09<Typhoeus>W: Failed to fetch 404 Not Found
16:09<markybob>Typhoeus, did you apt-get update first?
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16:10<PovAddict> is not an official Debian repository; ask the beagleboard people
16:10<Typhoeus>That is where I'm seeing the errors.
16:10<overload>What C++ compilers can you use on linux
16:10<markybob>Typhoeus, well i don't know since it's not debian and thus not supported
16:11<Typhoeus>@markybob and PovAddict: Legit. Thank ya'll for your time.
16:11<bremner>overload: gcc and clang are two included with debian
16:11<bremner>g++ and clang++ for the pedants
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16:14<overload>Witch compiler compiles the fastest
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16:15<bremner>depends on your benchmark
16:15<markybob>overload, really? you haven't even mentioned a language
16:15<bremner>and your level of optimization.
16:16<markybob>overload, for giggles let's say gcc5
16:16<overload>I am just going to stay with clang
16:16<bremner>*shrug* ok
16:17<PovAddict>gcc3 is the slowest, that's what I can tell you :)
16:17<bremner>overload: if you really care about performance, you have to test stuff
16:17<overload>it takes 3 hours to compile my program
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16:17<markybob>overload, you're doing it wrong
16:17<markybob>overload, use ccache
16:18<PovAddict>get better hardware
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16:18<bremner>overload: that does sound extreme. Are there several million lines of C++ involved?
16:19<overload>900k lines
16:19<markybob>overload, you're not using ccache because?
16:19<overload>Thats with it
16:20<markybob>no. don't believe you. new
16:21<markybob>or you didn't set up your path
16:21<overload>I am using a Pentium 4 and a 5400 hard drive
16:21<bremner>oh. well. there you are.
16:22<markybob>yep. that fits.
16:22<dmitry-krol>Hi. Need help with bug report. I'm running Debian Testing. After update to the new package version (Inkscape) it stops launching with segmentation fault. Should I include any information in bug report beside kernel and package versions?
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16:23<bremner>dmitry-krol: you should ask in #debian-next, and you should use reportbug
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16:24<dmitry-krol>bremner: ok, thanks!
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16:38<mimi>Hi everybody, I have upgraded to debian 8 this afternoon and it freezes :/ do you think its normal with a Core 2 Duo in 64 bits ? Thanks
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16:39<Brigo>mimi, no, it isn't whe does it freezes?
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16:41<mimi>when I lauched an application
16:41<Brigo>mimi, i mean, which one?
16:41<Brigo>mimi, are you using gnome?
16:41<mimi>iceweasel, even the monitor
16:41<jhutchins>mimi: No, generally Linux works well on older hardware.
16:42<jhutchins>mimi: WHen it freezes, can you press Ctrl-Alt-F1 to get a console prompt?
16:43<mimi>I have been using the previous versions of debian for the past 5 years, thats the first time
16:43<mimi>jhutchins i switch on now :)
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16:48<mimi>* that it freezes
16:48<mimi>no i can't
16:50<mimi>i can only restart
16:50<Brigo>mimi, the problem looks like the graphic driver to me.
16:50<Brigo>mimi can you paste the contents of /var/log/Xorg.0.log in
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16:52<overload>How do you remove a old video card drive in debian
16:52<mimi>brigo i restart and i paste it :)
16:54<Brigo>overload, removing the package
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17:04<mimi>no i can't brigo
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17:18<bremner>I have a fresh install of jessie with lvm on luks, but it's freezing on first boot at the unlock disk prompt. I can get into a rescue disk, but I'm not sure where to go from there.
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17:48<Brigo>bremner, have you installed plymouth?
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17:49<bremner>Brigo: I just did, but I think it needs configuration
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17:52<bremner>but if it's a hard dependency, then the installer should install it.
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18:01<wwu>I was wondering if the testing is usable right _now_
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18:06<bremner>wwu: it's not the best time. also, #debian-next supports testing
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18:20<wwu>bremner, thank you :)
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18:20<jhutchins>mimi: You're going to have to boot into rescue mode to fix it.
18:20<dpkg>i guess rescue is at ("Can I use d-i as a rescue system?"). Ask me about <rescue mode>. See also <fixmbr> and <i forgot root's password>.
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18:23<hexy>anyone there?????
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18:23<bremner>Brigo: great. Now I get a hang at the plymouth prompt.
18:24<hexy>whats that
18:24<bremner>hexy: if you have a debian support question, ask it.
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18:25<hexy>i dont
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18:25<bremner>Brigo: In retrospect, that's probably a red herring, because it also hangs booting into recovery-mode, which doesn't use splash in any case.
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18:29<mimi>jhudgins : thank you but i tried even a non-free driver but unfortunately, it doesn't work
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18:31<mimi>im installing an other distro and wait for a stable graphic driver under debian 8 ;)
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18:39<Brigo>bremner, i didn't know about recovery mode hangs :)
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18:40<bremner>yeah, sadness, I'm going to try a non-expert mode install in case I screwed something up.
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18:43<Brigo>bremner, some ideas:
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18:46<bremner>Brigo: well. apparently I'm not an expert. It works ok if I use the standard install.
18:46<Brigo>bremner, you are on your way to :)
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18:48<wittyname>Is it possible to get debian on a smartphone
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18:54<mimi>wittyname :
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19:05<wittyname>I trust google to keep my data private.
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19:05<mimi>i don't think so wittyname
19:06<wittyname>I was only joking
19:06<Brigo>wittyname, it is in google play.
19:06<Brigo>i am not joking :)
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19:13<wittyname>I still trust google a little more than apple
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19:15<mimi>+1 wittyname i find apple more like a sect
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19:20<cheako911> error 3336.
19:20<cheako911>Using some javascript bookmark was the workaround, that reveals uris like the above.
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19:21<cheako911>Using Chromium/peperflash.
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19:35<vmiora>zdrasti sveta, kak dela
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19:37<svetlana>Hi vmiora , I am in the #debian-russian channel also. I am reading some documentation and also trying to figure out why a certain package is not upgraded (it's packaged but there is a bug preventing it from entering main).
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19:38<centrx>"prevented from entering main"? You mean it's in the NEW incoming queue?
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19:40<vmiora>Sounds like a confusing issue, which package is it
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19:42<svetlana>It is addresses-for-gnustep.. I do not remember where it is, but it has two bugs, of which one I remember but I lost the other one.
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19:48<svetlana>The one I remember is bug 768131, but someone mentioned a second bug sometime ago, and I forgot its number
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19:50<vmiora>Here is the list > I see 768131 and some others there but am not familiar with it to help
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19:54<svetlana>Yes, thanks, that is the sort of thing I was looking for.
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19:57<vmiora>You're welcome, hopefully there is some information useful to you in the reports
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20:02<svetlana>It is, thank you a lot
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20:07<cheako911> error 3336.
20:07<cheako911>Using some javascript bookmark was the workaround, that reveals uris like the above.
20:07<cheako911>Using Debian Jessie Chromium/peperflash.
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20:43<SHOTbyGUN>using testing repo, but ipv6 seems broken, known issue?
20:44<SHOTbyGUN>eg. ping works but ping6 does not... apt-get does now work without force ipv4 and had to disable ipv6 to connect this irc server
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20:46<SHOTbyGUN>sorry, seems like I asked this on wrong channel :(
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20:48<vmiora>Sorry friend, haven't tested that yet
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21:57<AndyJ>Hi people, I've finished installing jessie (to correct the no 3D graphics problem caused by a recent update) and seem to have a computer that has booted. However, it is not displaying the desktop. I'm logged in successfully to CLI, can you please advise what I should do next to find out what is going on?
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21:58<Maratus>Anyone here use OpenCL with Mesa?
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22:00<Maratus>Because I've spent about a week trying to get my GPU working with OpenCL.
22:00<Maratus>It has been nothing but pain.
22:01<LucasSmaxX>We are you from?
22:01<Maratus>The states.
22:01<Maratus>You wouldn't happen to know anything about OpenCL's Mesa drivers would you?
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22:13<uso>AndyJ: try to start your X server manually: X -retro
22:13<uso>that should give you an empty graphical screen with mouse cursor
22:13<uso>if it does not work, check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors
22:14<AndyJ>will do, currently watching it reboot.
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22:16<AndyJ>X -retro results in a screen full of errors
22:16<AndyJ>stepping through log now
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22:19<AndyJ>Fatal server error no screens found
22:20<AndyJ>Server terminated with error (1) closing the log file.
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22:21<uso>AndyJ: what graphics hardware do you have and which driver do you have installed?
22:22<AndyJ>The hardware is Radeon HD6950
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22:23<AndyJ>Not sure how to identify what driver is installed, but think it is as detailed on this page:
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22:24<uso>AndyJ: do you have created an xorg.conf file?
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22:25<AndyJ>I'll have a look.
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22:27<AndyJ>in /etc/X11/ there are a number of xorg.conf.{something} files, however there are none called "xorg.conf"
22:28<uso>AndyJ: can you check if the radeon kernel modul is loaded? lsmod | grep radeon
22:28<AndyJ>I'll give it a whirl with a basic one and see what happens
22:29<uso>AndyJ: I don't think that will change anything as the X server will do exactly that when there is no config file
22:29<uso>but give it a try if you want :)
22:30<AndyJ>Ah. I was thinking that it may assist to be pointed specifically to the radeon driver...
22:31<uso>the X server should use it automatically when the kernel has loaded the radeon module, hence the check above
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22:33<AndyJ>could it be because X can't detect the monitor?
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22:35<uso>I'm not sure what happens when X can't detect a monitor, but I would assume it will start with some standard VGA resolution
22:37<AndyJ>hmm... I'm wondering if I need to install firmware-linux-nonfree as per the AtiHowTo
22:37<uso>well, what's about the kernel module?
22:37<AndyJ>sorry, missed your question above. Will check
22:38<AndyJ>No, it returns nothing.
22:38<uso>and you can check your system log or dmesg for firmware requests
22:38<uso>ok, try to load the module manually or check your system logs for errors
22:39<uso>modprobe radeon
22:40<AndyJ>modprobe radeon appears to have loaded it. lsmod|grep radeon now reports radeon in several places
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22:40<uso>try to start the X server again (X -retro)
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22:41<AndyJ>same result unfortunately, Fatal server error no screens found
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22:45<uso>AndyJ: the kernel module should switch the console to frame buffer, which the X server later can use, I'm not sure if that mechanism works when you load the module later
22:45<uso>the question is why that module is not loaded during boot
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22:46<uso>AndyJ: you can try to add the radeon module to /etc/modules and see if it is loaded after a reboot
22:47<AndyJ>Looking at video related messages in dmesg now, nothing turned up when grepping for graphics
22:47<AndyJ>OK will do
22:47<uso>AndyJ: grep for radeon, it should at least tell you if it tries to load firmware
22:48<uso>installing the firmware package cannot hurt though :)
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22:49<AndyJ>Only one line, and it may be from our manual start: radeon kernel modsetting enabled.
22:50<AndyJ>currently /etc/modules only contains two lines: loop and sbp2... add radeon to the next line?
22:50<uso>I would say install the firmware package, add the module to /etc/modules and reboot
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22:51<uso>AndyJ: you may even need firmware-linux-nonfree, not sure if the free one contains radeon firmware
22:52<AndyJ>OK will do that and try reboot. (Assuming that I remember how to insert a line in vi)
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22:52<uso>the AtiHowTo also refers to firmware-linux-nonfree
22:54<uso>AndyJ: you can add the line with: echo radeon >>/etc/modules
22:54<AndyJ>too late, remembered how to use vi :)
22:54<uso>the two >> are essential
22:54<tonyaldo>I was wondering if anyone can help, just installed 8.2 and my touch pad isn't working correctly. Cant scroll or drag nor 2 finger scroll.
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22:56<uso>AndyJ: even better :)
22:57<AndyJ>I must have already installed linux-firmware-nonfree, apt-get said nothing to install. rebooting now.
22:58<AndyJ>same problem, no X, starting manually resulted in the same error. :(
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22:58<brlancer>vbox jessie guest went oom, oom killer took some pids and I was back going. However, my getty1 hung when I tried to log in during oom. systemd marked it failed and queued everything behind it. Saw this today because systemd is using 35-75% of one CPU, did a reset-failed, try-restart systemd-logind, but that's now queued. Do I bounce systemd with daemon-reload? daemon-reexec? How do I unfoul systemd?
22:59<uso>AndyJ: is the kernel module loaded?
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22:59<AndyJ>Ctrl-Alt-F7 reveals a black screen, with a flashing grey cursor
23:00<AndyJ>no, lsmod | grep radeon returns nothing
23:00<AndyJ>checking dmesg
23:00<uso>AndyJ: a graphical cursor? can you start any X client on it?
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23:01<AndyJ>It looks like a text cursor (an underscore), and doesn't seem to respond to any input
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23:01<uso>or try: xdpyinfo -display :0
23:01<AndyJ>No mouse cursor showing
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23:02<AndyJ>returns a bunch of options then three lines of text, anything in particular I should be seeing?
23:03<uso>AndyJ: can you check your system logs if the kernel even has tried to load the radeon module?
23:03<AndyJ>will do, sorry, closer inspection, xdpyinfo -display only returned options
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23:03<uso>AndyJ: that sounds like the X server is running? it did not tell you something like unable to open display ":0"?
23:04<uso>AndyJ: did you miss the ":0" at the end?
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23:04<AndyJ>LOL! this program converted the:O to a smiley.
23:05<uso>hehe :)
23:05<AndyJ>"unable to open display ":0"
23:05<uso>and it's a zero, not the letter O
23:05<uso>ok, so the X server isn't running
23:06<AndyJ>Yeah, sorry, I'm a hopeless typist on this laptop.
23:06<uso>so back to the system logs, check for errors and if ther kernel even has tried to load the radeon module
23:06<AndyJ>(and this isn't the box with the problem)
23:06<AndyJ>OK I'm looking at /var/log/ ... should I be looking in kern.log?
23:07<ryouma>xorg log maybe
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23:07<uso>AndyJ: do you have systemd installed? if so, journalctl -b is probably the easiest
23:08<ryouma>you want to tell us the /first/ errors and warnings
23:08<AndyJ>I believe that this upgrade has added systemd... I'll see
23:10<uso>AndyJ: and to check the Xorg.0.log again is also a good idea too
23:11<AndyJ>is there a terminal command that will display extra columns? It looks like some of journalctl -b is off the screen
23:12<uso>AndyJ: you should be able to scroll horizontally
23:12*AndyJ is embarrassed
23:13<AndyJ>here's an interesting line: microcode: AMD CPU family 0xF not supported
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23:14<uso>AndyJ: that's another case, it's the CPU, not the GPU
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23:15<uso>AndyJ: search for radeon in the logs, anything else is secondary for now :)
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23:17<uso>AndyJ: maybe post your Xorg.0.log to, so others also may have a look at it
23:18<AndyJ>oooo module radeon is blacklisted!
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23:18<uso>AndyJ: there you go
23:19<Benjaminhusky>that is a problem...
23:20<uso>AndyJ: check the files in /etc/modprobe.d which one blacklists the module
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23:20<uso>AndyJ: have you tried to install fglrx before?
23:21<AndyJ>probably in the past, had many problems with this card, and have tried everything.
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23:23<uso>AndyJ: ok, check /etc/modprobe.d/ for the file with a blacklist entry for radeon
23:23<AndyJ>OK. There is a line in blacklist-fglrx.conf which has a comment above it radeon confilcts with AMD Linux Graphics Driver
23:24<AndyJ>How about I comment out that line, (blacklist radeon) or delete the whole file?
23:24<uso>check if tha file still belongs to a package: dpkg -S /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-fglrx.conf
23:26<AndyJ>no path found matching pattern /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-fglrx.conf
23:26<AndyJ>I'll double check that command using autocomplete, just to be sure I haven't introduced a typo
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23:27<uso>AndyJ: ok, then it's probably a leftover from an fglrx installation and you can delete it
23:27<AndyJ>with extreme prejudice!
23:27<AndyJ>time for another restart?
23:28<uso>AndyJ: maybe also remove the radeon entry in /etc/modules before you reboot
23:28<uso>it should work without it now
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23:30<uso>reboot and hope :)
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23:30<AndyJ>ooo smaller font visible during boot. This is a GOOD sign.
23:30<uso>indeed :)
23:31<AndyJ>graphical log in screen!
23:32<Atm0spher1c>is it possible to install 32 bit packages and keep the 64 bit as well? I noticed for certain packages it will remove the 64 bit, and other times you can have both. Is this correct?
23:32<AndyJ>Desktop has started!!! Thankyou uso!!!
23:32*AndyJ runs around the room like a loon!
23:33<uso>no problem, glad we found the culprit in the end :)
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23:34<AndyJ>May not be there yet... but so close... Evolution has not started, I'll check to see if anything using 3D graphics does.
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23:35<uso>AndyJ: that may be another question, if your card is quite a new one 3D acceleration may not be supported by the radeon driver (yet)
23:36<AndyJ>Unfortunately the card is not very new, at least a couple of years old.
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23:39<AndyJ>looking here:
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23:40<AndyJ>I can see a bunch of errors about libGL being unable to load driver
23:40<uso>AndyJ: do you use the standard jessie kernel (3.16)? if so you could try with the kernel from backports (4.1 afaik) if it has better support for your card
23:41<AndyJ>I'm just going to switch boxes, so that I can cut and paste results... brb
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23:41<dpkg>Linux kernel versions, mainline: 4.2, stable 4.1: 4.1.6, longterm 3.18: 3.18.21, longterm 3.14: 3.14.51, longterm 3.12: 3.12.47, longterm 3.10: 3.10.87, longterm 3.4: 3.4.108, longterm 3.2: 3.2.71, longterm 2.6.32:, linux-next: next-20150911
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23:42<AndyJ>OK. Output of uname -a :
23:42<AndyJ>Linux tuxbox 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u3 (2015-08-04) x86_64 GNU/Linux
23:43<uso>,v linux-image-amd64
23:43<judd>Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.6.32+29; squeeze-backports: 3.2+46~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63; jessie-backports: 4.1+67~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.1+67; sid: 4.1+67
23:43<uso>you could try the one from backports
23:44<AndyJ>Hmm... how do I choose?
23:44<dpkg>Selected packages intended for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb jessie-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>.
23:44<AndyJ>By the way, the new desktop looks very nice!
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23:44<uso>see the part about sources.list
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23:46<AndyJ>OK. This may explain why there was a backports line in /etc/apt/sources.list before... adding the line now.
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23:49<AndyJ>So should I re-run apt-get update, apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree libgl1-mesa-dri xserver-xorg-video-ati ???
23:50<uso>AndyJ: no, just apt-get update and then apt-get install to install the newer kernel
23:50<AndyJ>Wish me luck. :)
23:50<uso>I don't think there are newer versions of the X server in backports
23:51<uso>apt-cache search linux-image|grep bpo should give you a list
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23:52<uso>AndyJ: you can (and should) keep the other kernel installed at least for now until you know the kernel from backports works better for you
23:53<AndyJ>apt-get install returns a long list of things to be autoremoved, and reports nothing to install.
23:53<uso>you have to add the name of the kernel package to the apt-get install ;)
23:54<AndyJ>I thought that there was something missing...
23:54<AndyJ>So, how would I be able to determine if the kernel from backports works better?
23:54<uso>and the packages to remove are probably auto-installed packages which are not needed anymore
23:55<uso>but better double check the list before you allow apt to remove the packages
23:55<AndyJ>Yes. I'll get rid of them now, so that that message doesn't keep coming up.
23:56<AndyJ>It is a long list, and I don't recognise any of it as being something that I've added to the system.
23:56<uso>by rebooting the system with the kernel from backports, the newer kernel should boot by default, but you also can select it explicitly in the grub boot menu
23:56<uso>AndyJ: you have a 64bit system, I assume?
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