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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-09-12

---Logopened Sat Sep 12 00:00:43 2015
00:01<manicnerd>I'm having trouble getting a braswell gfx card to work. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I've tried upgrading the kernel (currently on 4.1.0-2-amd64) but am pretty lost.
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00:07<AndyJ>yes, uso, this is a 64 bit system.
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00:11<uso>AndyJ: sorry, I misread your last message, I thought you had trouble to find the right kernel package to install, but the message was about the list of packages to remove
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00:11<uso>did you install the kernel from backports?
00:13<netsca>Is there a security and or stability risk from installing programs from backports on stable
00:13<wittyname>Is it possible to use rpm on debian
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00:15<AndyJ>no, uso, I'm out of my depth in kernel space (or indeed with everything) my knowledge is scant and flaky.
00:16<AndyJ>I'm looking around to see if I can find anything that's specific about this particular card...
00:16<uso>AndyJ: you probably want to install linux-image-4.1.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 and then reboot to test this kernel
00:17<AndyJ>Will installing this image, make it available as an option to grub?
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00:18<AndyJ>As in add it to the list of things that grub displays?
00:18<uso>AndyJ: yes, you can chose which kernel to boot in the grub menu, the default will be the newest kernel
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00:20<uso>you get the list of kernels under a submenu, I don't remember how it's called, but it;s the 2nd entry below the default kernel
00:20<AndyJ>OK. I'm game, I'll give it a go.
00:20<AndyJ>:)
00:21<uso>no promises, it's just another chance ;)
00:21<AndyJ>watching it download...
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00:22<wittyname>How does wine work Do I need to drink it to use it
00:22<AndyJ>OK. Rebooting.. BRB...
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00:26<AndyJ>Linux tuxbox 4.1.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.1.6-1~bpo8+1 (2015-09-09) x86_64 GNU/Linux
00:26<AndyJ>:)
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00:27<wittyname>64 bit is faster than 32 bit
00:27<AndyJ>racing stripe helps too.
00:28<uso>wittyname: there is a program (alien) to convert rpm packages to debs, but I would only use it as a last resort
00:28<wittyname>There should only be one package manager
00:28<AndyJ>Same error, I'll chase that error and see what I can find. libGL error: unable to load driver: r600_dri.so
00:29<uso>AndyJ: ok, good luck :)
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00:29<uso>at least it was worth a try
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00:30<AndyJ>Fer sure!
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00:53<AndyJ>I'm wondering if it is just looking in the wrong place?
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00:55<AndyJ>r600_dr1.so exists but it is in an odd place: /usr/lib/x86_64-linus-gnu/dri
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01:06<uso>AndyJ: the card on my laptop uses the r300 driver which is in the same place and it seems to work properly, so I don't think the location is a problem
01:08<AndyJ>Interesting... I'm wading through bits and pieces online, which seem to suggest that there will be a symbolic link somewhere, that is pointing to the wrong place.
01:08<AndyJ>I'm having trouble working out if I have the same problem.
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01:26<AndyJ>uso: you're not going to believe this... creating a symlink to that library has fixed the problem. i.e.
01:26<AndyJ>tuxbox:/usr/lib/dri# ln -s /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/r600_dri.so r600_dri.so
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03:16<EmleyMoor>The WWAN on my laptop is not working - like there's some kind of killswitch stopping it. How can I fix this?
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03:38<Filystyn>I need help - when i use mause everything is ok but if i even slightly touch touchpad my everything in blink of eye is closed and i have the log in view and i have to start doing everything from start
03:38<Filystyn>i did not change anything wth is happening?
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04:20<JasonW>So I'm running debian testing and done my first upgrade in a little while, and lots of the upgrades are failing with the same error. Googling suggests it might have something to do with systemd, but I'm a bit rusty at all this.
04:20<JasonW>"Error getting authority: Error initializing authority: Error calling StartServiceByName for org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1: Timeout was reached (g-io-error-quark, 24)
04:20<JasonW>Could somebody point me in the right direction please?
04:21<Filystyn>I have very strange problem when i touch touchpad my deskopt restarts i get log in and all my programs are closed or what ever happens to them
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04:50<Filystyn>[ 2887.744] (EE) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: Read error 19
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08:00<cheako911>https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/09/msg00513.html
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08:16<at0m>cheako911: hulu?
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08:18<cheako911>atom: Yes, AKAICT there is no way to use Hulu going forward.
08:18<cheako911>As long as flashplayer depends on an older version of hal. Actually I'm going to file a bug about that.
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09:06<EmleyMoor>Not sure how but got my WWAN back
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09:22<miranda32>heey
09:23<EmleyMoor>I'm having problems getting a 6in4 tunnel to work in jessie... I have network-manager trying to bring it up and failing, and when I do ifup ipvsix I get: add tunnel "sit0" failed: No buffer space available
09:23<miranda32>is that chat channel the offical chat for debian?
09:23<miranda32>i need help
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09:33<safinaskar>i have jessie with systemd, network manager, kde. how to enable automatic ethernet dhcp?
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09:34<themill>that would be the default configuration
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09:34<safinaskar>themill: it doesn't work
09:34<safinaskar>themill: i have to manually type "dhclient -v -d eth0"
09:35<safinaskar>so, let's assume i just killed my ad hoc dhclient proccess and typed "dhclient -r eth0" (to remove ipv4 address). how to configure network manager now to enable right-way-dhcp?
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09:36<themill>Is the interface configured in /etc/network/interfaces?
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09:37<safinaskar>themill: https://paste.debian.net/311418/
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09:37<themill>well that would be why eth0 is not using dhcp
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09:37<safinaskar>themill: currently i have normal dhcp ethernet. ppp is old information
09:38<safinaskar>themill: so, what i should change?
09:38<themill>lines 15 and 16 tell network-manager not to touch that interface
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09:40<safinaskar>themill: okey, so what to do? remove them?
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09:40<themill>You could just comment them out with a #, that would work too
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09:41<safinaskar>themill: okey, i will try
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09:52<safinaskar>themill: hi. i removed last two lines, then stopped network-manager and networking, then started them again. then my plasma crashed and started again. then eth0 appeared in the list of connections in network manager applet. but when i type "connect", i see something like "no ip configuration available"
09:52<safinaskar>i ll be back
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09:54<safinaskar>themill: it works! thanks
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09:57<Salambo>hi, why isnt /opt in path by default?
09:57<markybob>Salambo, because it's not default for it to be...
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09:57<Salambo>why not markybob ?
09:58<markybob>Salambo, the powers that be said so. you can create it. feel free
09:59<Salambo>markybob: should I put my stuff in /opt/ or /usr/local/bin?
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09:59<markybob>Salambo, it matters not at all unless you've partitioned your disk and you need to be aware of space
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10:00<EmleyMoor>/usr/local would be more conventional than /opt - but that's just my opinion
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10:01<markybob>Salambo, not like it should matter (it doesn't), but big hitters like google and codeweavers use /opt
10:01<Brigo>i use to put mu stuff in ~/bin
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10:02<EmleyMoor>Brigo: Fine for stuff you don't want available "system-wide"
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10:02<Brigo>EmleyMoor, right, i am alone :)
10:03<Salambo>Brigo: isnt it less secure to put stuff in ~/bin even if its a single user computer? atleast if you put in /opt or /usr/bin/local you need sudo to modify files
10:05<Brigo>Salambo, maybe.
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10:16<FLD>how do people sort their files in linux filemanagers when they are all missing the Date Created column?
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10:16<FLD>i hate how everything keeps constantly changing places when you sort based on modification date
10:16<themill>if modification date isn't what you want, then sort by something else
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10:21<FLD>seems that the problem is that kernel developers could not agree what to call it
10:22<FLD>birth/creation date/time
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10:22<FLD>so the xstat() interface was never provided
10:23<FLD>Linus said to "let wait five years" :D
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10:27<luichi>hello
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10:28<luichi>im using debian testing with gnome with an epson sx515w and sometimes the printer doesn't respond, how can i see whats happening? thanks :)
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10:30<cheako911>luirchi: Pastebin your printer specs and ps output.
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10:31<luichi>cheako911, what parammeters i have to use with ps?
10:32<cheako911>ps ax
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10:34<luichi>cheako911, here you have: http://pastebin.com/nPeMpUTd
10:35<luichi>cheako911, sometimes i delete the printer and readd it and then it works but i don't want to this everytime
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10:45<cheako911>luichi: I can't help.
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11:01<somiaj>luichi: have you used the cups web admin interface to see the status of the printer?
11:02<somiaj>also you should be asking debian testing support in #debian-next
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11:04<krystian>Hej/ Hello
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11:05<krystian>ktoś z Polski/Polish?
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11:06<markybob>!polish
11:06<dpkg>well, polish is spoken in #debian.pl on irc.freenode.net (not here). Or something used to make things shiny, or a really good sausage. polska -> #debian.pl
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11:07<centrx>Should be #debian-pl apparently
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11:14<philophil>whre do you get the list of ! special commands ?
11:16<EmleyMoor>philophil: Not sure there is a list per se, of words the bot knows...
11:17<rselon>is dpkg(the bot) open source? Would love to know how it works internally
11:18<markybob>!dpkgbot
11:18<dpkg>Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also ask me about <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>.
11:18<markybob>shit, wrong factoid
11:20<abrotman>dpkg: tell philophil about your factoids
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11:24<philophil>nice
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11:49<c_root>test,
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11:50<centrx>test failed
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11:57<hadjiszs>hi, i'm on irssi, and i can't connect to irc.foo.net because "unable to connect server irc.foo.net port 6667" but 666
11:58<hadjiszs>s/666/6667 port is ok/
11:58<hadjiszs>do you have a idea ? thanks
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12:17<philophil>!irssi
12:17<dpkg>somebody said irssi was the best <IRC> client ever. "aptitude install irssi" and read http://www.irssi.org/documentation/startup . See also http://irssi.org/documentation/faq . http://www.irssi.org/ #irssi on open.ircnet.net and irc.freenode.net.
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12:23<myztic>I have a server with better integrated graphics than my notebook, but should I srsly install steam on my server?! (I will definitely not install java)
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12:24<esaym>anyone have any idea about my fsck issue here: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/09/msg00260.html ?
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12:28<Brigo>esaym, i would ask in #debian-systemd
12:29<esaym>Brigo: will do :)
12:30<esaym>Brigo: but clearly, util-linux is trying to also do something here as well (and that seems to be the problem)
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12:31<`ryban>greetings
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12:53<cheako911>https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/09/msg00513.html
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13:00<somiaj>cheako911: maybe try icewesel with pepper flash (or the papi -> napi wrapper and use pepper flash in iceweasel). Not sure if this solves the problem, but the old napa flash plugin is very old and pepperflash is a much newer version of flash
13:01<somiaj>I haven't tried the papi->napi wrapper for the pepperflash plugin in icewesel, I just recall seeing it in the repos
13:02<somiaj>arg, I mean chromium with pepperflash above.
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13:40<cheako911>somiaj: I don't think changing browsers would solve this problem, especially since your suggesting to run Google's flash implementation in a foreign application after hacking that app just enough for it to work.
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13:42<cheako911>Using icewheasel to run flashplayer has an issue with missing or old libraries and using chromium results in not being able to run the latest hulu update.
13:43<somiaj>ahh I missed that it also effected pepperflash. I haevn't looked into it, I just know that adobe stoped supporting flash in linux a while ago and only provides security support to the now outdated version.
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13:46<cheako911>That clears things up, aside from using html5 instead, getting pep like an perflash to be fully supported in icewheasel sounds admerable goal.
13:47<cheako911>sorry touchpad problems.
13:48<cheako911>getting pepperflash to be fully
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13:48<somiaj>no problem, I use chromium myself as I switched away from firefox a long time ago. So I haven't tried this, but there is this package in sid at least (not sure if it is in jessie or not) browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash
13:49<cheako911>cool
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13:52<somiaj>found a ubuntu form that says with a hal hack they got hulu to work in firefox, but I dont' think debian uses hal anymore (and you would have to figure out the hack)
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13:56<somiaj>well I was thinking of buying my wife a hulu subscription, maybe I'll hold out until I can use it too. (:
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13:56<cheako911>somiaj: Yes, the hack is to run an older version of hal.
13:57<cheako911>Unfortunately the new version was required by some other pkgs.
13:58<somiaj>well hal isn't even in debian naymore, so not sure if that helps.
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13:59<cheako911>I've opened a but for flashplayer to indicate hal versions in the suggestion control. I may repackage hal to install into /usr/lib/iceweasel/
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14:13<rory>probably really dumb question to ask but what is debian
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14:14<somiaj>rory: https://www.debian.org/intro/about#what
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14:35<misterhat>any CLI programs recommended for dealing with wifi?
14:35<misterhat>different sorts of authentications and all that
14:35<misterhat>a nice daemon
14:35<misterhat>something like arch's wifi-menu maybe but it doesn't have to be a curses app
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14:41<somiaj>misterhat: I have switched to using wpa_supplicant and let it do all the work behind the sceens. You can use debians interfaces file or network-manager has a cli app.
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14:41<misterhat>yeah i use wpa_supplicant now but you can't use it for every auth method
14:42<misterhat>my school's got username/password and all that and it'd be nice to have something without a GUI that could handle them all
14:42<somiaj>misterhat: I have wpa_supplicant so I never have to touch my wifi configuration (unless I want to add a new network). It will automatically detect the best network in my list and keep me connncted to it
14:42<misterhat>i know but it doesn't support this method
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14:42<somiaj>misterhat: I use it over eduroam that uses my username/password on my university just fine.
14:42<misterhat>kk
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14:42<misterhat>yeah i'm not sure what the auth method is called
14:42<PovAddict>username/password auth usually uses a captive portal that redirects your first HTTP request to their server and shows a web UI to authenticate
14:43<PovAddict>you can't do that without a full-ish web browser :/
14:43<misterhat>no that's not it
14:43<misterhat>i know what you're talking about but this isn't that
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14:43<somiaj>no you can send username/pass with your authenticiation. Usually requires you download a certificat and have access to that (so you can submit the info securely) but wpa_supplicant supports that.
14:44<misterhat>somiaj: do you have some documentation for how to connect to those networks?
14:44<misterhat>i already know how to use wpa supplicant but i wanna be prepared
14:44<somiaj>I orginally set it up using the config file for wpa_supplicant, there is also wpa_cli and wpa_gui
14:44<misterhat>yeah i'm comfortable with editing wpa's config
14:44<somiaj>misterhat: I just followed the eduroam documentation at my universitya nd google.
14:45<somiaj>misterhat: does it happen to be using eduroam (seems to be a common thing on universities these days) or its own custom implication?
14:45<misterhat>i'm not sure what it is, my android phone just prompts me for "identity/anonymous identity and password"
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14:45<misterhat>i should've read which auth type it was
14:46<misterhat>but it's not one of those web portal things
14:46<somiaj> this is not a webportal over an open network
14:46<misterhat>yeah
14:46<somiaj>this requires you download the cert from your university and include it in your config
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14:47<misterhat>i wish it was just a web portal cause i know how to connect to those lol
14:47<misterhat>wifi has always been the biggest pain in the ass w.o these stupid GUI tools
14:47<somiaj>those are so inscecure
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14:47<somiaj>you are putting your password over an open network (hence why they are using another method of authentication)
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14:48<somiaj>I'm using WPA-EAP
14:48<misterhat>well yeah but i wish they'd just have open wifi
14:48<misterhat>and throttling
14:48<somiaj>basically it is WPA but the password is issued over a secure connenct via a certificit
14:48<PovAddict>my university just uses WPA-PSK with the password on a wall sign on every floor
14:49<PovAddict>:D
14:49<misterhat>yeah that'd be nice too
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14:50<somiaj>Once I got it setup I actually like this method (because I now get access to all the printers in my department without having to use a wire)
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14:51<Raiz>PovAddict: LOL
14:51<Raiz>PovAddict: your university network administrator is smart
14:51<PovAddict>lol @ "network administrator"
14:52<somiaj>misterhat: paste.debian.net/311462 there is my network wpa_supplicant.conf file. There are lots of options for the various auth/certs your university uses. You should be able to find documentaiton on that (my univeristy actually provided linux documentation on top of a manual way to download the certs)
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14:53<PovAddict>Raiz: afaik the computer lab is mostly managed by first-year students with free time :P
14:53<woh3>Hi all, I have installed debian 8.2.0 on a tv box, a Cenovo 64-bit quadcore Mi ni PC1, you can see it here if you want http://www.gearbest.com/tv-box-mini-pc/pp_187681.html , it runs great except debian is not finding audio, wireless, and I am getting stack traces in dmesg. Anyone have any ideas how I can get audio and wireless running?
14:53<Raiz>PovAddict: that can make lots of fun DOOD! :)
14:53<PovAddict>Raiz: I saw a couple of deepfreeze'd computers installing windows updates every morning XD
14:54<Raiz>xD
14:54<somiaj>woh3: most likely you are missing non-free firmware for your wirless card, can you figure out what chipset it uses (lspci helps)
14:55<woh3>this is a tv box, it has not cards to speak of, i have tried lspci and it does not list wireless
14:55<somiaj>well it has wireless
14:55<somiaj>then it is either on the pci or usb bus, try lsusb
14:55<misterhat>kk somiaj i'll ask my cs guy
14:55<misterhat>thanks
14:55<woh3>thing is when i got it, it had android 4.4 installed, and android detected audio and wireless flawlessly
14:56<woh3>lsusb just detects my hubs, drives and keyboard and mouse
14:56<somiaj>then there is a 'wireless card' in it, and the computer needs to access it via some bus, pci and usb is the only ones I can think of and am use to
14:56<PovAddict>Raiz: also, windows account is non-admin, linux account has no sudo, bios is configured not to boot up from external devices and is password-protected... but grub lets you enter Linux in single-user mode with no password, genius!
14:56<somiaj>usually onboard cards are pci, are you sure you don't see it lspci? you can also try lshw
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14:57<Raiz>PovAddict: I bet that i can hack that network
14:57<Raiz>even with all these restrictions
14:58<woh3>http://pastebin.com/nRAX7p6D is a pste of lspci and http://pastebin.com/GYQ0Rb81 is a paste of my dmesg (kind of long)
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15:01<woh3>brb
15:01<PovAddict>Raiz: restrictions? where?
15:01<Raiz>non-root, non-admin, restricted boot/BIOS config, etc
15:02<PovAddict>I just said that to compare to the giant vuln it has :P
15:03<PovAddict>you can boot Linux in single-user mode (as root), mount the NTFS partition rw, I bet you can do permanent changes that the Windows deepfreeze won't protect against :P
15:04<Raiz>you're system administrator is stupid
15:05<Raiz>your
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15:17<danke>if I want to add pictures as background images for all the users, skulls I put them in /usr/share/backgrounds?
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15:19<danke>skulls? thanks auto complete!
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15:43-!-Peng is "Matt Nordhoff" on #debian #linode #notnottor #tor-project #Corsair #tor-dev #https-everywhere #nottor #tardigans #linode-beta @+#english #help #tor #moocows #python #opendns #oftc #cherrypy
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15:45<lapino>I tried to install libapache2-mod-fastcgi on jessie 8.2 but i get error : "Package 'libapache2-mod-fastcgi' has no installation candidate"
15:45<lapino>Trying to install apache with php-fpm but get stopped at this point
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15:52<lindi->lapino: that package is only in the non-free section
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15:53<lapino>It seems that sources.list is ok : deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free
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15:57<lindi->lapino: what architecture are you using? i386 or amd64?
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16:01<lapino>lindi-: armhf
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16:01<lindi->lapino: that package doesn't seem to be available for that arch
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16:02<lindi->lapino: only i386 and amd64
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16:04<lapino>lindi-: ok thanks, I will try mod_fcgid
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16:10<Salambo>I've symlink a binary from "/opt/foo" which has "-rwx------ user user" permissions to "/usr/local/bin". Now the symlink has in "/usr/local/bin" which points to the original file has "lrwxrwxrwx root staff" permissions. Is it normal or is it a problem?
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16:10<lindi->Salambo: symlinks always have those permissions
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16:11<Salambo>lindi-: should I change the symlink permissions to match the permissions of the file it points to?
16:11<lindi->Salambo: you can't change them
16:12<lindi->Salambo: they don't matter
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16:13<obi>Hi, does someone know how to have 2 differents background images in a dual screen set up ?
16:14<obi>(I use cinnamon)
16:14<lindi->Salambo: are you wondering that this could be a security issue?
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16:18<Salambo>lindi-: yes, I was wondering about security :/
16:18<lindi->Salambo: permissions of the file are checked on access, symlink does not matter
16:19<lindi->Salambo: anyone can create a symlink to any file anyway
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16:21<Salambo>lindi-: ok so I could create a symlink with all permissions possible to anyone that points to the most very important file of my root folder and it wouldnt matter right?
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16:22<lindi->Salambo: correct, try it
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16:25<Salambo>thank you lindi-
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16:37<Wastidx>hi
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16:38<Wastidx>im new
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16:43<Wastidx>hola
16:43<Wastidx>hi
16:43<Wastidx>hellow
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16:47<Wastidx>hi
16:48<edrz>!ask
16:48<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
16:48<jelly>Wastidx: yes hi. Please stop repeating.
16:48<Wastidx>sorry
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16:53<edrz>hmm. ok. bye.
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16:54<woh3>would anyone be willing to look through my dmesg I posted on pastebin to help me figure out chipset for my wireless and audio?
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18:58<PovAddict>why is libapache2-mod-fastcgi non-free?
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19:18<mms>Ciao, c'è qualcuno che può aiutarmi con emule da eseguire con wine?
19:19<Brigo>!it
19:19<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
19:19<PovAddict>Brigo: beat me to it
19:19<mms>grazie
19:20<Brigo>mms, np :)
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21:58<woh3>I need some help, I have installed debian 8.2.0 on Cenovo 64-bit quadcore Mini PC1, known as a "tv box", everything runs well, but audio and wireless are not detected. lspci and lsusb do not detect anything, just so you can see this is not a normal computer check it out here http://www.gearbest.com/tv-box-mini-pc/pp_187681.html, I have done a pastebin of my dmesg, will someone take a look and help me figure out how to get them online? http:
21:58<woh3>//pastebin.com/GYQ0Rb81
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22:11<woh3>anybody?
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22:14<themill>Can you pastebin all of "lspci -nn"
22:14<woh3>sure, give me a sec
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22:15<woh3>http://pastebin.com/9Zp26Zev
22:16<woh3>when i got it, it had android 4.4 and windows 8.1 installed, I wiped them for debian, but android saw audio and wireless perfectly
22:17<woh3>although I haven't been able to reinstall android since, it never sees the iso's for some reason
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22:20*themill ponders
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22:25<kre10s>Is there a screen share client with which I can control remote windows from my linux box?
22:27<woh3>be back shortly themill , continue to ponder
22:29<abrotman>kre10s: VNC?
22:32<kre10s>what server software would I have to install on the windows box to be able to take control of it?
22:32<PovAddict>kre10s: VNC is a standard protocol, so there are many interoperable VNC clients and servers
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22:34<PovAddict>kre10s: I recommend TightVNC on both sides, it adds an extra compression algorithm that is pretty efficient
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22:39<kre10s>thanks! I'll try jtightvnc and xtightvnc viewer.
22:41<kre10s>hmmm. Will that work if both PC are behind a router?
22:42<PovAddict>that's a different problem to figure out )
22:42<PovAddict>:)
22:43<PovAddict>you may have to forward VNC's port (5900), make firewall exceptions, get a dynamic DNS subdomain if the IP changes often, ... all those are just general networking things and not directly related to VNC though
22:44<kre10s>Is it possible to piggy back through a VPS?
22:44<PovAddict>hmm good question
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22:45<PovAddict>in theory it's possible to have the viewer and the "server" both initiate a connection to the VPS and have the VPS forward data between the two connections
22:45<kre10s>I guess I could socks proxy it. lol.
22:45<PovAddict>but I'm not sure how you'd do that in practice, especially when the target machine is Windows...
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22:55<otherdog>Is there a way to get ffs support?
22:56<PovAddict>what is ffs?
22:56<kre10s>fast frame switching?
22:56<kre10s>just a wild guess.
22:56<otherdog>Berkley fast filesystem
22:56<otherdog>OpenBSD uses it, and I need to edit an install disc from Debian.
22:57<otherdog>I'm having trouble finding such a package in the repos (no matches for ffs-utils nor ffs-fuse)
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22:58<PovAddict>otherdog: it's built into the kernel, so there's nothing to install; however they call it 'ufs' (unix file system), and maybe it's read-only support
22:59<otherdog>ufs mounts, but I get io errors.
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23:00<otherdog>Thanks, though.
23:01<pretoriano>hello every body!
23:01<pretoriano>excuse me for my English if i mistake
23:02<PovAddict>weird
23:02<PovAddict>otherdog: all I see is that there is some unreliable read-write support but you would have to recompile the kernel to enable it
23:02<PovAddict>otherdog: but no idea why mounting ro would give io errors
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23:03<pretoriano>i have a problem during the installation of any linux distro
23:03<pretoriano>could you help me ?
23:03<PovAddict>ask an actual question
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23:04<somiaj>pretoriano: what is the problem with debian, since that is the distro we support here. (:
23:04<PovAddict>somiaj: your backwards smileys remind me of someone I haven't heard of in a long time :(
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23:05<pretoriano>well, i try install debian but i already have win 8.1
23:05<Atm0spher1c>for virtualbox what is the difference, and which do I need virtualbox-source or virtualbox-dkms?
23:06<pretoriano>so, the problem say
23:06<pretoriano>step installing system failled
23:07<pretoriano>a try with other distro and dysplay the same problem
23:07<PovAddict>Atm0spher1c: install virtualbox-source is just the source code, for you to compile manually
23:07<PovAddict>Atm0spher1c: you probably want DKMS to manage the kernel module compilation and installation for you :)
23:07<pretoriano>i disable the secure boot n fast start
23:08<pretoriano>update motherboard's bios
23:08<Atm0spher1c>PovAddict: thanks
23:08<pretoriano>any idea?
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23:10<pretoriano>somiaj,
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23:16<pretoriano>i can start in live mode'
23:19<pretoriano>i have a problem during installing of any linux distro
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23:25<pretoriano>i have a problem installing debian 8
23:26<pretoriano> i try install debian but i already have win 8.1
23:26<pretoriano>i disable the secure boot n fast start
23:26<pretoriano>update motherboard's bios
23:27<abrotman>!es
23:27<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
23:27<PovAddict>!repeat
23:27<dpkg>Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org
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23:27<pretoriano>update motherboard's bios
23:27<pretoriano>sorry
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23:33<pretoriano>:(
23:34<woh3>themill, have you come up with anything yet?
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