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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-09-13

---Logopened Sun Sep 13 00:00:44 2015
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00:58<lari>hey
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01:14<batfasturd>good evening
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02:06<sunoano>what's with the abiword autostart in Gnome... abiword automatically starts everytime you have a new X11 session i.e. on every turn on of your computer https://lists.debian.org/debian-qa-packages/2015/04/msg00013.html
02:06<sunoano>somebody else seeing this?
02:06<sunoano>Debian sid here
02:06<sunoano>Gnome
02:08<dieterd>Yes, that's possible. Restore last session.
02:09<sunoano>nope, never used abiword, pretty much seeing this https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/07/msg01146.html
02:09<dieterd>I remember I switched off, but then always the last state before switching off resumed.
02:09*sunoano going to remove abiword too ;)
02:10<dieterd>it was all aplications, not only abiword.
02:10<sunoano>Sunday morning quick fix
02:10<sunoano>ah, ok :)
02:11<sunoano>I start and place my stuff using awesome
02:11<dieterd>try sweeper
02:11<sunoano>did for a year or so then came across awesome, never looked back :)
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02:13<dieterd>sweeper was from kde but i deletet with that application history.
02:13<dieterd>i had both on my pc, gnome and kde. at booting time i decided which
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02:18<dieterd>try gnome-session-properties
02:21<dieterd>https://gnomeshell.wordpress.com/2011/08/28/manage-the-startup-applications/
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02:22<dieterd>~/.config/autostart/
02:23<dieterd>or /etc/xdg/autostart/ then you hve all to look
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06:20<rselon>How can I make cron jobs run on boot if the system was off when the cron job was suposed to run?
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08:42<piper>Mina25: cut the shit
08:42<piper>take your porn elsewhere
08:43<lostson>!ops Mina25 spamming people in private msg
08:43<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: lostson complains about: Mina25 spamming people in private msg
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08:43<piper>lostson: thank you, beat me to it
08:44<lostson>it started early this morning we have put up with it long enough i think piper
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08:44<babilen>ta!
08:44<lostson>thanks babilen
08:45<piper>ta babilen
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08:51<abrotman>does that mean we're back to the name/age spammer thing/.
08:51<abrotman>?
08:51<babilen>apparently
08:51<abrotman>yay
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09:04<dm_>hi, i'm new to systemd so i don't know how to debug this problem, from some times now i have problems while reboot or poweroff the machine (debian testing) systemd hang on during the poweroff procedure sometimes during the disabling of swap partition but sometime on different task can someone help me ?
09:06<Raiz>dm_: systemd SUCKS!
09:06<Raiz>If debian can make an official non-systemd repos it will be KOOLL!
09:06<dm_>:D ok, but is the default now on debian
09:06<Raiz>rather than having the broken devuan
09:06<lostson>dm_ #debian-next is where you would want to ask about that seeing as you are running testing
09:07<Raiz>is there #debian-unstable?
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09:07<dm_>ok i'll try there
09:08<themill>Raiz: please try to have some signal amongst the noise. Thanks.
09:08<piper>Raiz: opinions vary, you can always build your own
09:08<Raiz>piper: :O
09:08<Raiz>maybe that's a good idea
09:09<piper>Raiz: let us know when it's done
09:09<Raiz>but Devuan is doing it :/
09:09<Raiz>and it didn't work
09:09<Raiz>BECAUSE IT'S BROKEN!
09:09<dm_>btw i've found also the debian-systemd channel i'll ask there
09:09<dm_>thanks
09:10<olasd>Raiz: that's not signal, that's just more noise
09:10<Raiz>signal?
09:10<Raiz>I'm not antenna :D
09:10<Raiz>please!
09:10<Raiz>you can disable the notifications in your IRC client
09:10<Raiz>this is a public channel
09:10<Raiz>everyone can talk
09:10<Marillion>yeah guys, please go to debian-offtopic for that
09:11<Raiz>oh, okay
09:11<piper>Raiz: it's debian support channel,
09:11<Raiz>Oh
09:11<Raiz>Damn
09:11<Raiz>okay
09:11<Raiz>I'm #nottor already if someone wanna talk about that
09:11<Raiz>*if*
09:11<themill>Raiz: enough, thanks.
09:11<Marillion>and stop the stupid enter again
09:12<Raiz>Enter?
09:12<Raiz>what do you mean?
09:12<themill>dpkg: tell Raiz about enter
09:12<Raiz>oh
09:12<Raiz>that's how i type
09:12<abrotman>not here
09:12<Raiz>but anyway, it's okay
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09:12<dm_>just a question, if i can not fix this problem with systemd this guide to remove it and go back to the old system it's ok? http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_remove_systemd_from_a_Debian_jessie/sid_installation
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09:13<abrotman>The subtle rejoin .. always works ..
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09:15<olasd>dm_: at boot, you should be able to select an entry with "sysvinit"
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09:17<dm_>where exactly i don't understand
09:17<olasd>in the (GRUB) menu you get when starting the system
09:18<dm_>ok
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09:19<piper>thanks abrotman
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09:20<dm_>i'll try
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09:34<dm_>i've added log debug, and remove the package systemd-sysv and now it poweroff :D
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09:37<dm_>now i have a new question :D with systemd i don't get the login on tty you know why and how can i enable this?
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11:09<markybob>Guest1514, try /join #debian-cn ...note the /
11:10<Guest1514>join #ubantu
11:10<Guest1514>search ubantu-cn
11:10<markybob>really?
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11:14<SpeedyG>perhaps there's no / on a chinese keyboard ;)
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11:49<myztic>i know there is a way to use pepperflashplugin with firefox / iceweasel, but to keep the plugin updated (at least that is my understanding) one would have to have chromium / chrome installed
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11:49<myztic>which I don"t want... having chromium installed just for fashplugin-updates
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11:50<myztic>if anyone has an idea what I might be able to do, feel free to say so :)
11:50<markybob>myztic, browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash
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11:52<myztic>markybob not in stable though
11:53<markybob>myztic, pepperflashplugin-nonfree
11:53<peter1858>so bit of an issue, my brightness keys adjust the brightness app but have no effect on actual brightness.. hp elitebook 8560w. I tried this fix https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/HP/EliteBook%20840%20G1 which is the only one I could find but nothing.. the intel... folder doesn't exist so I don't know what to do
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11:55<myztic>markybob ty
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11:55<markybob>myztic, you're welcome :)
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11:57<myztic>markybob kind of sorry for that btw
11:57<myztic>should have searched on the internet more extensively before asking
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11:59<markybob>myztic, apt-cache search would've been your biggest help. fyi
12:00<myztic>markybob quite true
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12:00<myztic>I use aptitude though 99%
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12:01<myztic>afaik there is only very little difference, but aptitude has better defaults sometime (at least that is what I was told)
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12:14<peter1858>oh, sorry. I didn't search much (only debian sites I think). I see are other references
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12:18<kirua>Uh..hi :)
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12:19<kirua>Does anyone have experience with Kali..?
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12:43<wompa>!kali
12:43<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>.
12:44<rselon>wompa: hes gone
12:44<wompa>oh
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13:20<joseph-soares>I there, I've just bought a new PC with a dock where we suppose to hot plug/swap an hard disk. How do I know if it is enabled for Linux. How can I know if I can use it safely
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13:21<martingale>joseph-soares, AFAIK as long as you aren't hot swapping the drive that the OS is running on, it should be fine and will act just like when you plug/unplug a usb device
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13:22<martingale>(implicit in that statement is that you should unmount drives before unplugging them)
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13:23<danke>10 years ago when I forest discovered Debian, I lived it but wasn't keen on the long release cycle...
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13:24<danke>now I have two kids, and two years of not having to faff with the computer is amazing!
13:24<danke>argh, stupid auto complete keyboard
13:24<joseph-soares>martingale, I don't think so, because differently from an usb I cannot see remove safely with this drive
13:26<martingale>joseph-soares, your window manager would be crazy to offer that option to the average user :), the kernel doesn't care though
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13:27<martingale>"safely remove" means unmount
13:27<martingale>you may have to do that manually
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13:29<joseph-soares>martingale, I say that because when I unmount, the disk seems like it's workin yet. Different from windows system that the disk stop spinning
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13:30<joseph-soares>martingale, or different from an usb external disk
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13:30<martingale>joseph-soares, what do you mean "the disk seems like it's workin yet"?
13:31<martingale>when you try to unmount it spins up?
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13:31<joseph-soares>martingale, yes
13:31<joseph-soares>martingale, I can feel it touching the decive
13:31<joseph-soares>device
13:32<martingale>it's possible that the kernel had a write operation queued for that drive, so when you said unmount the kernel went "oh no, gotta write that stuff NOW"
13:32<martingale>if you unmount the drive with sudo umount /dev/yourdrive and it doesn't error, it should be safe to pull
13:33<martingale>that said, if you try umount and it hangs or tells you the drive is in use, it is definintely not safe to pull
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13:35<joseph-soares>martingale, it unmount without any message. But I just feel it like it's spinning
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13:35<boris_>what is command to install software
13:35<joseph-soares>martingale, is it safe to remove it?
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13:35<boris_>i tried everything sudo yum, sudo apt-get
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13:36<martingale>joseph-soares, it just continues spinning constantly after you unmount it?
13:36<mtn>boris_, man apt-get man aptitude or use synaptic
13:36<boris_>i am using sparky linux
13:36<martingale>because when it's not mounted, by definition the OS isn't using it
13:37<joseph-soares>martingale, well, I can hear and feel with my finger
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13:37<abrotman>boris_: sparky isn't supported here
13:37<abrotman>!sparky
13:37<dpkg>SparkyLinux is a Linux distribution based on <testing>. It is not supported in #debian. http://sparkylinux.org/ See also <based on debian>.
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13:38<martingale>joseph-soares, that seems fishy and since i'm not a hardware expert i'll defer. it should be safe to pull, but use your best judgment
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13:45<joseph-soares>martingale, when I plug it, it doesn't mount automaticaly. I click on it and it opens. When I right click the mounted partition, I see the unmount option. But when I mount an USB HDD portable, it automatically mount, and I don't have only the unmount option. I have the 'remove safely' option too. The HDD I pluged to the dock doesn't behaves like an portable USB. I just want to know if it's safe to remove it
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13:46<joseph-soares>after the simple 'unmoun' command
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13:48<SergioEDuran1>Hello
13:48<SergioEDuran1>there is any Semplice 8 user here?
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13:51<mtn>!semplice
13:51<dpkg>Semplice is a GNU/Linux distribution based on Debian <unstable>. It is not suppored in #debian. http://semplice-linux.org/ #semplice on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>.
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14:00<martingale>joseph-soares, there are three things at issue here: the mounting of the actual partitions, whether the mounting happens automatically, and whether your desktop environment or file manager gives you a right click option to unmount
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14:01<martingale>joseph-soares, your file manager is just a GUI, and it's right click menu items just call command line utilities.
14:01<martingale>when you right click and hit unmount or safely remove, it just calls umount in the background and makes sure the exit status good
14:02<martingale>In particular, if there is no right click option or a different right click option for something, that doesn't mean it can't be done, it more likely means that the average user wouldn't want to do it
14:03<martingale>the average user does not hot swap non-usb hard drives, so it wouldn't make sense to add a "safely remove" option because that's not something most people would want to do
14:04<martingale>similarly, whether the mounting happens automatically reflects whether the average user would want that behavior to happen
14:04<martingale>these are just defaults
14:04<martingale>the average user wants to mount a usb stick or usb drive, but not an actual hdd when plugged
14:04<martingale>therefore that is set as the default
14:05<martingale>this doesn't mean that mounting and unmounting hdd's isn't safe, just that the average user should need to do it
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14:06<martingale>finally, there is the mount/unmount command. this is a low level system utility. it doesn't care about what the average user wants. it does it's job, and it does it well. if you tell it to unmount something and it doesn't error. that means to the best of its ability, the kernel thinks it is safe to pull it.
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14:22<myztic>any minimalistic screen lock program in stable you can recommend?
14:22<myztic>xlock isn't available
14:22<mgv>slock from suckless-tools?
14:23<centrx>xtrlock works
14:23<mgv>don't think you can get more minimalistic than slock
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14:26<myztic>centrx xtrlock works fine
14:27<myztic>"xtrlock -b" locking without blanking the screen is pointless for me
14:27<myztic>centrx ty mgv ty for your suggestions anyways (honestly, I appreciate it)
14:27<myztic>*suggestion
14:27<mgv>you're welcome
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14:51<disappointment>Hello.
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14:52<disappointment>I have a problem. I'd like to use S3 ProSavageDDR K4M266 (old PC, I suppose that's GPU). I have installed xorg savage driver, but I'm not sure what to do next.
14:52<joseph-soares>martingale, thank you for explaning
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14:54<paxmark9>boris_ maybe freenode #sparkylinux or sparky forum
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14:54<rled>Hi ya'll! How'd you go about managing a session in Openbox? To get everything the same way after a restart?
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15:28<mindfire>Hello, i need some assistance if someone could. I have just installed AVLinux (squeeze based distro) with an Intel PRO/Wireless 5100 AGN Adapter, im running the latest Wheezy firmware-iwlwifi (0.36 i believe) but i still have no wifi, iwconfig states i have no wireless connections..
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15:28<blast007>!avlinux
15:28<dpkg>AV Linux (formerly A/V Linux) is a 32-bit Live DVD distribution based on Debian <squeeze> (as of version 6). It specializes in multimedia content creation using realtime-patched kernels. AV Linux is not supported in #debian. Support forum: http://remastersys.com/forums/?board=20 . http://www.bandshed.net/AVLinux.html See also <based on debian>.
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16:03<root_>hi
16:04<root_>anybody here....?
16:05<kre10s_>just us.
16:07<HAL2328>hello
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16:12<root_>hi
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16:17<HAL2328>debian noob here. recently switched over from windows 10. other than the official debian website, any other resources that have helped you get acquainted?
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16:19<HAL2328>i was advised to try ubuntu first but i figured i'd go that route if debian didn't work out. so far, it's been quite challenging but rewarding nonetheless
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16:19<root_>explain what u mean by aqquainted.
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16:22<HAL2328>well right now, im googling everything from commands to just getting around the os.
16:23<HAL2328>a succinct guide on navigating linux is what i'm looking for
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16:25<lluis_>ok i solved the problem i had to add i386 architecture
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16:30<petn-randall>HAL2328: https://debian-handbook.info/
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16:34<HAL2328>petn-randall, this is gold. thank you
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16:38<HAL2328>any stable irc clients for debian? (im on hexchat at the moment since that's what i used on windows)
16:39<musca>,v hexchat --release jessie
16:39<judd>Package: hexchat on amd64 -- jessie: 2.10.1-1
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16:41<myztic>mgv, I am using slock
16:42<myztic>you are right, i can't get much more minimalistic than that
16:42<myztic>and it works and does the job
16:42<myztic>*it can't
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16:42<musca>HAL2328: i think hexchat is not bad. Even better, when you already know it.
16:43<myztic>I am using hexchat too... does exactly what I need it to
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16:43<myztic>nothing to complain about
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16:49<myztic>HAL2328, you can check out irssi and WeeChat
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16:49<myztic>have used both of them at some point in my life, but I am quite happy with hexchat
16:51<HAL2328>yeah i really like it. its good to hear that im not the only one. i will definitely give irssi and weechat a try. with windows getting more and more snoopy on its users, the linux experience so far has been refreshening
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16:52<HAL2328>getting everything to work on my laptop took a little bit of digging but very impressed with all the software so far. libreoffice especially
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17:03<aktau>Hi :). I'm trying to install a standalone .deb to create some of my own linux-firmware-nonfree packages, yet I receive: linux-support-4.1.0-0.bpo.2 depends on python:any (>= 2.6.6-7~)
17:04<aktau>I find that a bit strange, as I do have pythong(:any) installed, and it complies with >= 2.6.
17:04<aktau>(Running on a slighly modified wheezy)
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17:05<aktau>Is there any way I could get more detailed info from dpkg, making it reveeal what's going wrong?
17:05<markybob>aktau, what does apt-get -f install do ?
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17:06<aktau>markybob: it says it will remove the linux-support-4.1.0-0.bpo.2 package.
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17:06<aktau>I suppose it sees no way to satisy its dependencies, and resolves to remove it.
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17:09<myztic>aktau dump the whole output (use something like dpaste or such)
17:10<aktau>Right, away.
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17:12<aktau>Here's the paste: http://dpaste.com/3186BHB
17:12<aktau>Please tell me if I need to supply more information.
17:13<markybob>hrm. looks like that should work.
17:14<aktau>I thought so too
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17:14<aktau>The only thing I can think of is that the bpo package is meant for (I think) Jessie, while I'm trying to install it on Wheezy.
17:15<aktau>Though I see no reason why any of the dependency checks should fail.
17:15<shawn>woo
17:15<aktau>Unless there is something strange about that "python:any" line.
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17:16<myztic>aktau have you tried dpkg -i --force
17:16<myztic>?
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17:17<aktau>myztic: no, I haven't.
17:18<aktau>I suppose that could work, but I don't really want to mess with apt/dpkg's internal housekeeping.
17:18<aktau>Any idea what side effects that might have?
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17:18<myztic>aktau see dpkg --force-help for details
17:18<myztic>it looks like it should work from the input you have provided
17:19<myztic>but of course at your own risk
17:21<aktau>I'm nearly sure it's because of the mention of python:any
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17:21<aktau>If I look at the native wheezy package, it mentioned python (...), instead of python:any (...)
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17:33<aktau>Editing the package with fpm(1) ro refer to python instead of python:any seems to have worked.
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17:38<aktau>Seems to work :)
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18:15<ormuz>saludos que tal es debian jessie
18:15<ormuz>?
18:16<jmcnaught>!es
18:16<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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19:13<user>hello
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19:19<Guest1612>after installing libgl1-nvidia-glx-i386 with apt i can login to my computer so i cant use my debian testing, now im on debian live and i copied the part of the log when i installed this package http://pastebin.com/kic3qh3e i tried to run debian in recovery mode and then use startx but cant see any error.
19:19<Guest1612>please help!!
19:20<mtn>Guest1612, can login or can't login?
19:20<Guest1612>i get the error oh no something gone wrong from gdm
19:21<philophil>try to reboot
19:21<PovAddict>Guest1612: did you reboot?
19:21<Guest1612>winnie, cant
19:21<Guest1612>PovAddict, yes i did
19:21<shawn>hi
19:21<shawn>I am THE shawn now
19:21<Guest1612>the log is in spanish i can translate if is needed
19:21<PovAddict>looks like you need to enable nvidia in your xorg.conf
19:21<jmcnaught>Guest1612: you may have forgotten to configure xorg.conf after installing the nvidia drivers. also for testing you're supposed to be in #debian-next
19:21<Guest1612>PovAddict, yes i installed that library to be able to run playonlinux
19:22<Guest1612>i wanted to configure it but then i got the error
19:22<Guest1612>maybe i can configure it using recovery mode
19:23<Guest1612>jmcnaught, ok i joined the channel
19:23<Brigo>Guest1612, yes, you should.
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19:25<Guest1612>i will try a solution i found herehttp://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=114472
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21:43<kre10s_>to use mkstemp requires you compile with -D_GNU_SOURCE... I use this switch, but still no go. Where can I look to know why?
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22:10<uso>kre10s_: works for me with standard gcc, without any additional definitions
22:10<uso>so you at least should provide some more information or better ask in a gcc channel
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22:18<kre10s__>uso, can you point me to documentation about how to properly do feature testing?
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22:23<uso>kre10s__: i've only tried to compile a little example programm with mkstemp and it worked without any additional definitions (which also fits to the description in the man page)
22:25<uso>if you mean testing which functions are available on which system with feature testing you are probably best served by build systems like automake, cmake or scons
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22:31<ryouma>is it common for "update-initramfs -t -u -k all" to silently fail to update initrd/conf/conf.d/cryptroot? previously i tried without -t option.
22:31<ryouma>this is wheezy
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23:33<ryouma>when i boot to jessie, the grub screen comes up in a legible font, because i set GRUB_GFXMODE in /etc/default/grub to have the same font that wheezy had. however, the boot messages and the prompt, and everything in the vt, are unreadably small (dealbreaker level small). how do i fix this?
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23:45<uso>ryouma: probably in the console-setup package, if you have installed it
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23:48<ryouma>uso: i have it installed, but did not find any binaries?
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23:50<uso>ryouma: try dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
23:51<uso>if it does not ask you which console font to use I have to search myself which of the console packages has the settings ;)
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23:52<ryouma>trying now on wheezy. although this is for jessie because jessie has the tiny fonts.
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23:56<uso>ryouma: it may be different as the configuration mechanisms and packages to set up the console have changed over time, not sure if there are differences between wheezy and jessie though
23:57<ryouma>uso: on wheezy it lets me choose font size like 16x32. dunno if that is large enough. i presume this is pixels
23:59<ryouma>uso: can't i just set the resolution instead of setting font sizes?
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