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02:32<tdapc>how enable a local language in my gnome desktop
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02:42<tdapc>i want to add hindi language to gnome (panel/menu/everywhere]
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02:47<orthogonal>tdapc: GNOME has a guide on how to translate it
02:47<orthogonal>https://wiki.gnome.org/TranslationProject
02:47<jm_>you should have a choice of locale on your login screen
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02:48<orthogonal>jm_:Ah, I misunderstood the question :)
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02:48<jm_>orthogonal: well maybe I have, who knows
02:48<tdapc>jm_ , but that is just for input ? isnt
02:49<jm_>tdapc: no, it should also affect which message catalogs to use
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02:53<tdapc>jm_, let me check .
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03:23<Thubo>I've mounted a debian iso file into my local webserver. If i want to use this url for my preseed installation it tells me that 'the installer was unable to download a file'... Do I need anything else but the mounted iso?
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04:24<Guest2446>hello
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04:50<orjan>Hi, after suspend my second screen is not active, I can run xrandr to correct, how do I add this to be run automaticaly. I read a bit on systemd but so much info, would apresiate a hint...
04:51<orjan>this is om jessie
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05:00<Thubo>orjan: You can check out: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Power_management#Sleep_hooks
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06:06<orjan>Thubo: thanks, was afk. Wasn't the pm power management the old solution that was before systemd ( that's was what I thought, might have missunderstood )
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06:09<Thubo>orjan: You are correct. The link shows how to use systemd for powermangement, i.e. adding/managing units for sleep & resume
06:09<orjan>Thubo: ok has done a first fast read of the doc, seems like I was looking for
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06:15<mejo>hi
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06:18<mejo>i've problems with starting a vpnc (cisco vpn) client during boot process on a jessie system. I wrote an initscript for vpnc and defined a required-start dependency on '$network' in the LSB headers.
06:19<mejo>problem is, that the dependency on $network doesn't guarantee an established network connection. vpnc tries to connect to the cisco vpn server, fails and exits with error 'no response from target'.
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06:24<mejo>any idea how to implement a hard dependency on an established network connection in an initscript?
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06:24<jm_>try to create a systemd unit for it instead, there you can declare "After=network.target"
06:24<mejo>an ugly solution that came to my mind: loop until ping to the vpn server succeeds.
06:25<mejo>jm_: probably the best solution. I have to admit that I avoided to write systemd units so far :-/
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06:26<mejo>this whole systemd world is still rather new to me.
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06:27<jm_>mejo: same here, but basing it of something small and generic shall be quick, i.e. /lib/systemd/system/ssh.service
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06:59<mejo>ok, here's my first try, but so far it doesn't work: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/fb68d002/
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07:03<jm_>try looking at what systemctl status and show gives you
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07:08<mejo>jm_: yes, doing this right now ;)
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07:09<tobi4241>squeeze-backports seems to be vanishing from the ftp servers. does anyone know whats going on there? has it been renamed?
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07:30<Brigo>tobi4241, i think there is no more squeeze backports.
07:31<tobi4241>http://backports.debian.org/news/jessie_released_-_backports_related_changes/ says that it would be there as longs as squeeze LTS
07:31<jm_>maybe mirrors stopped carrying squeeze?
07:32<tobi4241>yes, it seems like it.
07:32<Brigo>tobi4241, no, i was moved: "The data is, of course, not lost - the whole of Squeeze is syncing
07:32<Brigo>to archive.debian.org, so if you still need it for any of the non-LTS
07:32<Brigo>architectures you will be able to get it from there."
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07:33<Brigo>The first paragraph of a email i received from new.debian.org: "due to serious disk space limitations on mirror hosts, the non-LTS architectures of the Squeeze release will get removed from the mirror network starting today. That is, only Squeeze i386/amd64 continue to be hosted on the normal mirrors."
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07:35<tobi4241>ah, I see. then what I am seing is probably connected to the moving of those files
07:35<tobi4241>thanks you
07:36<Brigo>tobi4241, yw :)
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07:49<mejo>seems to work now:
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07:50<mejo>jm_: the vpnc systemd service unit seems to work now: https://paste.debian.net/?as_hidden=1
07:50<mejo>thanks for your hints :)
07:51<jm_>no worrie
07:51<jm_>s
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09:16<famara>hello
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09:18<AShell>hi
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09:19<famara>haw are u
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09:47<deep42thought>Hi, I'm currently upgrading to systemd. What package provides iptables.service file?
09:48<deep42thought>I already have iptables and iptables-persistent, but this is apparently not enough
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09:53<AShell>how can i change my hostname
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09:56<AShell>i'v tried hostname something but it just revert after restart
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09:56<deep42thought>AShell: put it in /etc/hostname
09:58<markybob>!hostname
09:58<dpkg>Use «hostname foo» to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot (create /etc/hostname if it does not exist) and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN. See also 'man 1 hostname', or ask me about <mailname>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname
09:58<AShell>ya will ive done that and also put it in /etc/hosts, but other problems come up, like when i try to run kdesudo i get this error
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09:59<AShell>_IceTransSocketUNIXConnect: Cannot connect to non-local host <OLDHOST>
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09:59<AShell>and it just exits
09:59<markybob>AShell, "to set it for the next boot"...did you reboot?
10:00<markybob>AShell, you edited both hostname and hosts?
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10:01<AShell>yes
10:01<markybob>to which question
10:01<AShell>i'v edit hosts and hostname
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10:02<AShell>so your saying that i should reboot?
10:05<markybob>yes
10:05<AShell>ok
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10:10<AShell>it changed
10:10<markybob>yep. just have to follow the factoids
10:11<AShell>i don't get it i'v done that before and nothing changed then
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10:11<mirek>czesc
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10:12<AShell>fuck this
10:14<AShell>of course it changed then but i just kept getting the kdesudo error
10:14<mirek>hi I am new this kanal :)
10:15<mirek>canal
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10:15<AShell>is too late to say thanks ?
10:15<AShell>(after i'v said "fuck"?)
10:15<markybob>you're welcome
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13:35<asaladin>Hi. I think I have found a debian package that gives a root shell to any local user. Does this break some debian policy?
13:36<centrx>It would be a security issue, but I doubt it's true
13:36<asaladin>well I hope it's not
13:37<markybob>any details you'd like to share?
13:38<asaladin>should I ? It's probably not a very popular package
13:38<markybob>so why bring it up?
13:38<mgv>you should at least report a bug against the package
13:39<mgv>sharing details here is also a good idea as we can check if the bug seems to be valid or not
13:39<asaladin>ok so the package is named: 'core-network' and 'core-network-gui'
13:40<asaladin>On my system I'm two-clicks from having a shell root
13:40<markybob>asaladin, and how did you attain root as a normal user?
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13:40<asaladin>I ran the gui as a normal user
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13:41<asaladin>created a 'host'
13:41<asaladin>clicked on 'run'
13:41<asaladin>then double clicked on the icon
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13:42*mgv is installing the package and will try to reproduce the bug
13:42<markybob>and then what magic did you use to run root commands?
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13:43<asaladin>markybob, that's it my shell has root privileges
13:43<asaladin>but I played a bit with lxc, it may be related
13:44<asaladin>(since CORE uses containers)
13:44<markybob>i just tried what you said. nope.
13:44<mgv>looks like a fakeroot or something similar
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13:45<mgv>or... not?
13:45<asaladin>i'm able to create files in /root
13:45<mgv>this actually looks like a bug. I've been able to add a line to /etc/passwd
13:45<asaladin>same /root as 'regular' /root
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13:45<mgv>and ps faux says the /bin/bash is running as root
13:46<markybob>not happening with me (sid)
13:46<asaladin>i'm on testing
13:46<mgv>happening here, sid
13:46<markybob>file a bug. can't hurt
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13:47<asaladin>btw it's a very cool tool to play with networking
13:47<asaladin>thanks
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13:48<mgv>asaladin: have you tried with a user that does not belong to sudoers? maybe core only gives root to sudoers, though that would still be a security issue (gaining root without requiring a sudo password)
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13:49<asaladin>mgv, no I dit not try yet. I'll create a new user to test that
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13:51<KOJIbKA>hi there! I've upgraded 'Wheezy' on old laptop. All GNOME task bars have disappeared along with windows title bars. There's no buttons, no chance to switch between running applications and no working Alt+F2 window to manage all the mess which looks like this http://ibin.co/2GR9VeboGt3P Your help will be appreciated ALL!
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14:00<mgv>asaladin: tested this using www-data and I still get a root shell. use reportbug to report a bug against core-network-daemon (since that's the part of core that runs as root).
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14:05<asaladin_>mgv, a non-sudoer can also become root. I'm filling a bug report
14:05<Brigo>KOJIbKA, is there any problem with the upgrade?
14:05<mgv>asaladin_: I've found the same (using www-data as the non-sudoer).
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14:15<KOJIbKA>Brigo: no problem at all. Only Opera repository had been refused to update
14:15<einhorn>!
14:16<einhorn>!help
14:16<KOJIbKA>Brigo: the thing is it took a long period to update all packages contained on that laptop. So it was running about a year without any updates
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14:17<markybob>!tell einhorn about ask
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14:39<helaman>hello
14:39<helaman>anyone awake
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14:39<mtn>nope
14:39<skainz>zzz...
14:39<helaman>that is what I thought
14:40<markybob>i'm in bed...but technically here
14:40<helaman>I am setting up a mount in my fstab
14:40<markybob>that's not a sexy problem. /sleep
14:40<helaman>I want it mounted on startup and have access to my user
14:40<l4mbd4>thats what fstab is for
14:41<helaman>would this work? relatime,errors=remount-rw 0 2
14:41<l4mbd4>can you show the whole fstab?
14:41<helaman>here?
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14:41<frv>!tell frv about ask
14:41<helaman>UUID=6f49f5b3-296c-088f-6654-2b996b62f9f5 /Healy2 ext4 relatime,errors=remount-rw 0 2
14:42<helaman>I seen where just auto 0 0 is used
14:42<skainz>helaman, please use https://paste.debian.net/ and paste the resulting linke here.
14:42<l4mbd4>for the future use https://paste.debian.net/ for bigger things
14:42<l4mbd4>:D
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14:43<helaman>got it 8-)
14:43<l4mbd4>last digit is fsck priority: 0 is dont check, >0 is check
14:43<helaman>pasted
14:43<l4mbd4>the bigger, the earlier it is checked
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14:43<l4mbd4>so you can do 2, but if it doesnt need to be checked leave it at 0
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14:45<helaman>ok
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14:54<shibboleth>Anyone doing passthrough of GPUs to VMs?
14:55<shibboleth>I am able to pass through several different GPUs but two with the same PCI ID does not work
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14:55<shibboleth>I can edit the BIOS of the older GPUs to set a custom PCI ID as a workaround but this not possible with newer models
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15:12<lindi->shibboleth: what virtualization are you using?
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15:23<shibboleth>lindi-, kvm
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15:24<markybob>lindi-, virtualbox. you're gonna get every answer in the book. you have to try/research for yourself
15:24<lindi->markybob: hmm?
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15:25<markybob>lindi-, opinions are just opinions. you need to try and research for yourself.
15:26<markybob>lindi-, by try i mean literally install the multiple options and compare
15:26<lindi->markybob: maybe you meant shibboleth?
15:27<markybob>lindi-, hrm. my bad :P
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15:27<oleg_>привет
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15:28<oleg_>привет
15:28<markybob>!russian
15:29<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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15:32<rev>!irish
15:32<dpkg>somebody said irish was drunk
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15:32<rev>well, I was hoping for #debian-irish (gaeilge) but oh well :P
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16:07<cyberweb>I'm having trouble installing grub. i'm dual-booting win10 and debian, which worked until i had a disk error and reinstalled debian.
16:08<cyberweb>right now i'm booting from a kali live usb
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16:08<somiaj>cyberweb: were you using efi or mbr boot?
16:09<cyberweb>efi iirc. i remember setting up a gpt partition table.
16:09<somiaj>if you were using efi (which is highly likely on a modern system) you have to make sure your recovery medium boots in efi mode. I am unsure on the kali live usb, but debian live doens't use efi boot and you'll have to use an install image to rescue it.
16:10<somiaj>it could be that your live image is booting in legacy mode and you can't recover the efi boot that way
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16:10<luichi>hello
16:10<cyberweb>i chose the uefi boot option when i selected kali in the boot manager.
16:11<luichi>hibernation doesn't work on my laptop, how can i see a log whats happening?
16:11<cyberweb>as it wasn't present on my debian usb i believe i'm in efi mode
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16:12<cyberweb>luichi: are you sure your swap space is at least the as big as your ram?
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16:14<luichi>cybersphinx, i have 16gb of ram and my swap size is https://paste.debian.net/312784/
16:14<luichi>cybersphinx, i think is not 16 gb right?
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16:16<luichi>cybersphinx, i looked at gparted and says swap is 17,19 GB
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16:18<cyberweb>well then, this exceeds my skills.
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16:18<ryouma>are those using identical units?
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16:28<cyberweb>i'm following the instructions in this link: http://superuser.com/questions/376470/how-to-reinstall-grub2-efi
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16:29<zorkel>Evening good folks, could I perhaps ask for some advice regarding jessie and drivers/firmware for my new motherboard?
16:30<cyberweb>but when i get to the second command, this is what i get: http://pastebin.com/t9baWuuP
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16:33<petn-randall>hi zorkel, just go ahead and ask.
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16:37<zorkel>I have this motherboard https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/MAXIMUS-VIII-RANGER/ with intel i5 6600K but I can't get the any sound so far.
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16:38<zorkel>Might be other hidden issues I'm not totally aware of yet
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17:51<philius>I'm trying to debug courier authdaemond by setting DEBUG_LOGIN=1 but the messages don't get to rsyslogd - could it be courierlogger?
17:53<philius>I figure it must be a jessie/systemd problem as I got it working with wheezy
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21:06<BlackDragon42>Hello.
21:06<somiaj>greetings, do you have a question about debian?
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21:08<BlackDragon42>Just trying to get it fully working. Can't get the framebuffer working right.
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21:09<i4saken>#ctf
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21:10<somiaj>BlackDragon42: framebuffers are old technology and aren't compadable with many newer drivers that use kms. What video card are you using and maybe you just need to configure it via kms and not framebuffers.
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21:31<BlackDragon42>g
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22:17<sergio-br2>stephen == stephen kitt ?
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22:35<diego>hola
22:37<diego>wena no sabia de este canal
22:37<diego>de chile y ustedes
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22:41<lostson>!es
22:41<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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23:03<twb>Does ANYBODY understand libpam-mount ?
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23:03<twb>It's working for me, except if I log in as p123 twice at the same time, the second login tries to mount the already-mounted $HOME
23:04<twb>It *looks* like it maintains its own mtab in /run/cmtab for some crazy reason, but AFAICT that's not happening
23:06<twb>This is also weird: http://sprunge.us/DLHb
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23:07<twb>Ah cmtab is apparently to store the "container<->loop device<->crypto device<->mountpoint associations," in a single easy-to-read place
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23:11<twb>Argh I hate all computers
23:12<sney>qotd
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23:12<twb>It's calling mnt_context_get_mtab in pmt_already_mounted --- but mnt_context_get_mtab isn't mentioned anywhere else in the source
23:13<twb>I bet it's in this libhx-dev thing which looks like the author's personal toolbox of helper functions that nobody else can understand
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23:17<twb>This code is unnecessarily confusing.
23:17<MrSelfDestruct2>Welcome to libs
23:18<twb>He's basically trying to do lisp in C, I think
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23:18<sney>I was going to adopt libpam-mysql but then I decided I didn't hate myself quite enough
23:18<sney>(though I might still do it anyway)
23:19<twb>sney: pam_ldapd is not completely batshit
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23:20<sney>maybe because it's newer
23:20<twb>ya
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23:20<twb>even PADL pam_ldapd is fairly straightforward code
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23:21<twb>Did I mention that pam_mount uses XML config file, but doesn't use an XML parser library
23:21<twb>yeaaaah
23:21<sney>yikes
23:22<twb>Oh I tell a lie, libxml2 is there
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23:25<twb>OK so from the logs, it's determining to its own satisfaction that it's definitely NOT mounted.
23:25<twb>Because pmt_already_mounted returns -1, 0, 1, and it prints a log when it's -1 or 1.
23:26<twb>But that just puts me back at trying to grok http://sprunge.us/ghKH?c which only calls functions that AFAICT are never defined
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23:28<twb>OK so I resorted to quacking and it turns out mnt_new_context is also called in util-linux. So it's probably part of linux/libc stack.
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23:29<twb>I think maybe the problem is it's reading /proc/self/mountinfo (instead of /proc/self/mounts or /proc/mounts or /etc/mtab), but mountinfo contains extra fields, so it can't find /home/prisoners/p in field 2
23:30<MrSelfDestruct>Can you find where it saves the mtab in the source?
23:31<twb>I can find where it saves /run/cmtab but I think that's only used when mounting *encrypted* volumes
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23:33<twb>Aha! libmount is what provides these procedures
23:33<MrSelfDestruct>Shoulda known.
23:33<twb>It's part of util-linux
23:33<MrSelfDestruct>Yeah
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23:53<twb>OK progress. http://sprunge.us/DIeT?c is an quick way to dump what libmount thinks is mounted
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23:55<twb>And http://sprunge.us/BgHD shows what root, at least, sees on the kiosk itself.
23:56<twb>So maybe the problem is that it isn't adding the nfs: to the source before doing the comparison
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23:58<twb>NO DICE. ARGH.
23:59<twb>Changing it from server="nfs" path="~" to just path="nfs:~" means that the ~ doesn't expand in the first place, and the whole thing explodes
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