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#debian IRC Logs for 2015-09-26

---Logopened Sat Sep 26 00:00:02 2015
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00:15<finchd>goan: that needs a file watcher program, there are a few
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00:32<mishra75>hi
00:34<mishra75>#debian
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00:56<ashir>hello
00:56<ashir>anyone here
00:56<SexWarrior>!ask
00:56<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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04:47<anonymous>what this, please tell me
04:47<anonymous>i'm newbie
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04:48<anonymous>hallo
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05:44<lukas_>Good morining
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06:22<Mava>just began to wonder: I installed debian jessie to an usb flash drive and now using it as the root partition in my file server.. can it go heavily wrong
06:24<Lauauraa>A drive is a drive, I don't see why
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06:32<Mava>Lauauraa: just a little afraid of the flash drive gets somehow what broken via log writing etc.
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06:38<RdrOfTheSt0rm1>hi all, display from iptraf-ng is half missing / not updating properly. How would one diagnose?
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06:48<Lauauraa>Well the flash drive is more/less a portable ssd, right? So it's basically got the same ups/downs as that, Mava. Should be fine
06:49<SynrGy>flash drives vary in quality. typically poorer than ssd.
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08:12<huseyin>hi, i've just reinstalled debian stable after a problem and after getting advice here. Everything's went quite smooth but, i got one problem
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08:12<huseyin>I need to install UltraEdit which relies on libjpeg8 and it is not in jessie repo
08:13<huseyin>I found it in testing and also in wheezy
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08:13<huseyin>How can I install libjpeg8 safely so I don't brake my system (again)
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08:14<huseyin>Last time I got an advice to use backports but libjpeg8 is also doesn't exist in backports
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09:26<viccuad>huseyin: IIRC, you were here 2 days ago, or yesterday?
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09:26<viccuad>the problem with your old setup was mixing stable packages and testing packages
09:27<viccuad>you could go to use full testing (but then you are expected to be proficient enough to fix the common problems)
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09:29<viccuad>also, you are trying to install UltraEdit, which isn't in the official repos, that qualifies as "breaking debian", so please be aware that people could shrug to you and don't provide fixes and advice
09:29<viccuad>https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
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09:31<viccuad>doh, he left long ago. Now is when I need to fine tune my irc client to show people leaving if they have talked, regardless of time
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10:03<plugwash>anyone know if there is a way to generate a csr with the same metadata as an existing csr but a different key?
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10:04<plugwash>From reading the command line help I would have thought openssl req -in raspbian-mythic.csr -out ssl.csr.2015 -key ssl.key.new would do it but it doesn't seem to actually change the key
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10:10<abrotman>plugwash: probably better to ask #openssl on freenode?
10:10<abrotman>Doesn'tseem likely though
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10:16<anarxia>plugwash: only the certificate is regenerated. the private key stays the same.
10:17<anarxia>plugwash: to change the key you need a new csr
10:17<plugwash>right, what I don't get is why there doesn't seem to be a command that says "take an existing csr, and generate me one with a different key but all the other options the same"
10:18<anarxia>because the csr is signed by the private key.
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10:18<anarxia>it's not a valid operation
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10:19<anarxia>just script it. use something like easy-rsa
10:19<anarxia>to regenerate the csr and certificate.
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10:22<anarxia>plugwash: you need keyout instead of key to generate a key for the csr.
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10:23<matrix>oi algem me ajuda sou novato aqui?
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10:24<markybob>!br
10:24<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
10:24<anarxia>openssl req -new -nodes -sha256 -subj "/CN="raspbian-mythic.tld" -out "ssl.csr.2015" -keyout ssl.key.new
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10:25<plugwash>yeah I know I can manually translate the fields in the old csr to command line parameters, I was hoping to be able to avoid doing that
10:25<plugwash>but it seems like I can't
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10:25<matrix>thank you....
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10:28<Guest3035>just discovery this
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10:51<security>hello Sobieski
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11:13<grw>hi, i'm having trouble installing debian testing. installer always fails at 'install GRUB boot loader'
11:13<grw>i'm using a nvme ssd, perhaps this is causing problems?
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11:14<grw>Sep 26 15:12:16 main-menu[244]: WARNING **: Configuring 'grub-installer' failed with error code 1
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11:21<grw>i am trying to use lvm too.. is anything about this combination known bad?
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11:23<edrz>grw: ask debian testing questions in #debian-next
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11:25<grw>edrz: thanks.
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11:38<heffay>When trying to use apt I keep getting failed to fetch/could not resolve errors. I can ping the mirror though. This is on a fresh install of Jessie
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11:40<markybob>heffay, did you apt-get update first?
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11:41<heffay>Yes, apt-get update produces these errors
11:41<plugwash>does anyone know if there are any command line tools for formatting ipv6 addresses?
11:41<plugwash>e.g. i'd like to format an address so that all zeros are shown
11:41<markybob>heffay, pastebin your sources
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11:42<markybob>!bat
11:42<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: 1. the complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude/dselect run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2..." for the relevant packages and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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11:44<heffay>markybob, I believe the problem is related to DNS but I'm not sure how to troubleshoot it. I can't ping Google or Pastebin but for some reason I can ping ftp.us.debian.org
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11:45<heffay>I'm 100% sure my sources are good
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11:46<markybob>heffay, then try chaning your dns server. use 8.8.4.4 or 8.8.8.8 for example
11:46<markybob>you'll find out really quickly
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11:53<donda>Hi, I'm trying to figure out how to convert an existing Debian 8 installation to full disk encryption. All the guide are found are about 10 years old – do they still apply?
11:54<donda>meant: guides I found
11:57<grw>my problem with ssd/lvm/uefi existing in stable as well as testing..
11:58<heffay>I'm not sure if my DNS is changed. This install is acting really weird. If I cat /etc/resolv.conf it lists the nameservers but if I less it or try to open it with nano it's a blank file
11:58<heffay>I finally got nano to read it, added 8.8.8.8 and restarted networking but still can't ping Google.
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12:02<anarxia>donda: i don't think you can convert without copying the files to another device and then back in
12:03<donda>anarxia: so what you are saying is I copy my whole filesystem, make a fresh install including encryption, and then copy back?
12:04<anarxia>yes
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12:04<anarxia>but be very careful on how you do the copy to avoid messing up permissions and going to other filesystems
12:05<anarxia>also keep in mind that boot cannot be encrypted with grub
12:06<donda>if possible I would like to keep installed packages and configuration, because it took me some time to figure everything out. but if I really later overwrite everything in / I loose the encryption configuration, don't I? The whole system is in one partition
12:06<markybob>anarxia, it can. http://www.pavelkogan.com/2014/05/23/luks-full-disk-encryption/
12:06<markybob>it's just not fun/easy or useful
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12:07<heffay>This is driving me nuts. I've never had Debian act like this before
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12:08<anarxia>markybob: thanks good to know.
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12:08<anarxia>donda: it's tricky because you need to re-setup lvm, fstab, grub etc
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12:09<anarxia>but if you pull it off the system will be identical
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12:09<anarxia>donda: you can probably find guides for all steps maybe not in one place.
12:10<donda>anarxia: maybe an alternative would be to only save files in /etc, make a list of installed packages, then reinstall, install packages I had before, and copy configuration back to /etc
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12:10<markybob>donda, that's what i'd do
12:11<anarxia>donda: there are some files you shouldnt replace like /etc/fstab, /etc/lvm and maybe more
12:11<lord_rob>Hi! Is there a browser that doesn't support html5 in jessie? I'd need it for a test
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12:12<donda>anarxia: right...
12:12<anarxia>donda: do you mean something like get-selections and copy back configurations from old system?
12:12<donda>anarxia: yes exactly
12:12<anarxia>donda: oh. that works
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12:14<donda>anarxia, lord_rob: apart from get-selections and /etc I don't need anything else, correct? except of course /home
12:15<lord_rob>hmmm?
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12:15<donda>sorry, I meant markybob
12:15<lord_rob>np
12:16<eyelessv>hey
12:17<markybob>donda, unless you have databases or websites in /var ...yeah
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12:19<donda>anarxia, markybob: Thanks a lot, I'll try that.
12:20<lord_rob>donda: were you talking about transfering a debian system on a different machine ?
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12:41<grw>has anyone used samsung sm951 nvme ssd with debian? i think this component is causing my issue.
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12:42<grw>grub fails to install
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12:44<donda>lord_rob: no, to the same machine after I configured disk encryption during installation
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12:47<guppy88>Jessie +Stretch.
12:47<donda>Btw., I found that the tool apt-clone does a large part of the job: archives installed package status, /etc/apt, and can even generate debs for packages that cannot be installed from the sources
12:48<guppy88>Je n'ai pas de son sur mes dernières installations de Jessie et stretch
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12:54<azeem>hi, I try to run some OpenMP-parallelized programs, but they seem to always use the number of cores I have on my notebook (4), no matter what I set OMP_NUM_THREADS to, anybody whether that env variable is ignored in jessie?
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13:37<platypus>hi! i need help with building packages
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13:39<platypus>What does this commandline do, and how can i reverse it?
13:39<platypus>cmake -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE="DEBUG" -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX="$HOME/games" -DDATA_INSTALL_DIR="$HOME/games" -DNOSERVER=1
13:39<platypus>?
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13:49<azeem>platypus: it's a cmake run, why do you need to reverse it?
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13:49<platypus>azeem, when i type make install there is an error. I would like to start all over.
13:50<azeem>platypus: if there is nothing else in $HOME/games, just recursively remove the directory
13:52<platypus>strangely ther is no /games directory in the home folder
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13:55<azeem>platypus: what was the error message?
13:55<platypus>make install: make: *** No rule to make target 'install'. Stop.
13:57<azeem>then nothing has been written anyway
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14:03<platypus>ok. thx.
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15:03<tester1>hello I am trying to get Filezilla on debian testing but it seems it is not available. Is that truly the case?
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15:07<oct>tester1: yup filezilla seems to be missing on testing
15:07<tester1>oct, cool thanks, I wanted to make sure I do not miss out something obvious.
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15:08<oct>tester1: its still in unstable itll propably be migrated to testing soon
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15:10<tester1>Yeah, I download the latest stable and seems to work out of the box. It is build against 8.0 anyway.
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15:10<wwworm>hi
15:11<wwworm>Who here?
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15:11<lostatwork>all of us
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15:20<scootergrisen>evolution-calendar-factory is using 36MB. What is that for and how do i disable?
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15:21<lostatwork>scootergrisen: it is part of the evolution mail client
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15:24<scootergrisen>How can i not use it?
15:24<scootergrisen>I use "thunderbird"
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15:26<lostatwork>that I am not sure about, it starts up when logging into gnome I would think
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15:32<scootergrisen>it restart if i kill it
15:32<lostatwork>it probably will
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15:32<lostatwork>maybe not right away but next time you login
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15:34<scootergrisen>it restarts right away
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15:42<kelly>So on Sid I have a slight issue where systemd runs a start job that has no timeout, and there is no way to interrupt it
15:43<kelly>systemd.unit=rescue.target at boot doesn't avoid it
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15:44<kelly>specifically the job is
15:44<kelly>"Started LSB: option to manually manipulate the IPsec SA/SP database"
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15:47<scootergrisen>Anyone know whey ①②③④⑤⑥⑦⑧⑨ and 123456789 does not have the same width with monospace font? Both in text editor and web browser.
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15:50<kelly>no reason high range unicode symbols would be the same width as ascii
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15:50<kelly>see also full and half width east Asian characters
15:51<scootergrisen>In Windows they are the same width
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15:53<kelly>https://codepoints.net/U+2468?lang=en
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15:53<kelly>"The glyph is a Circle composition of the glyphs 9. It has a Ambiguous East Asian Width"
15:54<kelly>so I presume freetype goes for full and windows goes for half
15:54<kelly>or something like that
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16:01<scootergrisen>So should ①②③④⑤⑥⑦⑧⑨⑩ be exactly twice as wide as 1234567890?
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16:02<SexWarrior>To make a long story much shorter: that's entirely up to the creators of each and every font
16:03<scootergrisen>Is the whole point of monospace font-family not that they should have the same width?
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16:06<scootergrisen>Is there some other way that i can write "10" like ⑩ as one charachter that works with monospace font?
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17:01<Zephyr>Hello guys! I'd like to ask for your insight on the following issue: In addition to "rkhunter" i just installed "chkrootkit" and ran it. It gave me a warning about "Operation Windigo" being installed (see this: https://tinyurl.com/qedkhkr). Searching the web in hope that warning might just be a false positive I came across this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2291968 --- and running the command from further down the page *does
17:01<Zephyr>* show "system infected. Does anyone of you have experience with this? Do I have to reinstall my system? Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated!
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17:06<tethra>Zephyr: i've just tried it on a cleanly installed container and -G fails that test, and only shows usage
17:06<tethra>ignore it, the check is probably wrong (sadly)
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17:09<Zephyr>tethra: Thanks for checking that! Phew... that's a clittle relief!
17:09<Zephyr>-c
17:11<tethra>in general i'd be wary of things like rkhunter and chkrootkit - you have to look at what they're checking (as you did) before you can decide whether or not it's a false positive
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17:11<tethra>the best solution is to just make sure you don't get hacked, for which i humbly suggest key based auth only
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17:11<tethra>(and if you can't do that, fail2ban)
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17:17<Zephyr>tethra: I will look into that, thanks for the tips! :)
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17:28<andyloria>am new to parrot how can i install use .exe files in parrot?
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17:43<viccuad>andyloria: parrot is not supported here. This a support channel for Debian, Debian cannot know what every derivative does. That said, look up wine, it lets you run windows applications on Linux, and maybe it will work for you
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17:58<mlrds>does anyone know what caused the mirrordirector DNS issue?
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17:59<plugwash>if you are talking about mirrordirector.raspbian.org then that was my screwup
17:59<mlrds>yes, the NXDomain's
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18:01<plugwash>I changed what had previously been a manually edited data file to a file generated from a set of templates and some sed calls to make it easier to make changes (in particular i've been working on brining in a warm spare site)
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18:02<plugwash>unfortunately I screwed up some of the sed calls
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18:02<mlrds>no worries, just curious --- thought i was going crazy for a minute
18:02<plugwash>with the result that the entries for mirrordirector.raspbian.org were invalid garbage. Unfortunately it seems that bytemark dns doesn't have any error reporting :(
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18:04<Tomoki>I have a 2 part question. 1) What happened to bitchx and 2) what is the best replacement (non X)?
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18:05<mlrds>btw, great work on raspbian plugwash
18:06<Tomoki>I just noticed no admins...
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18:07<Marillion>!raspbian
18:07<dpkg>Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/
18:08<Marillion>mlrds, plugwash : here is NOT raspbian support
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18:09<mlrds>apologies
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18:12<Marillion>Tomoki: i'm using screen + irssi, if i understand your question correctly
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18:13<Tomoki>That does. Well, I'd have to relearn bitchx so I might as well learn irssi.
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19:09<security>i propose that managers research clothing fabric pilling to gain insight into source code review/analysis
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19:12<security>like....
19:13<security>like is squandering a vowel worth a look at Vannas White's derrier ?
19:13<security>sic
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19:17<security>George Harrison coded a great amount of the early linux audio codex's
19:18<security>he was bed ridden for 12 years and helped with the apple port of linux
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19:23<security>cool
19:24<somiaj>security: this is a support channel for #debian. You should take your comments elsewhere.
19:26<security>deep feeling disease and counter productive analysis has contributed to my city's qual mode affection and desemination
19:26<security>somiaj: i understand
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19:36<security>i married an ethiopien and fathered 7 children1
19:36<security>nad ten more with my dughters
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20:08<scootergrisen>When is the "web applications" used in the GNOME menu?
20:08<scootergrisen>What can i do to save something that will appear there?
20:09<somiaj>scootergrisen: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/135/web-application-menu/ is what google told me
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20:11<scootergrisen>Is Epiphany the only program that use it?
20:12<somiaj>I have no clue, and unsure what a web application would be. I would ask a more gnome specific channel, but that is what I found on google.
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20:13<scootergrisen>Suppose to be for "Applications and sites saved from Web"
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20:13<somiaj>that also looks like it is a bit of an older link to an extension and it could have been modified when integrated
20:13<scootergrisen>So im guessing webapps. But Iceweasel/Firefox saved in the Other menu
20:13<somiaj>but yea it might only work with gnome's browser as opposed to iceweasel.
20:14<somiaj>by save do you think it means download the file as html and saves it, or just puts it in a book mark database
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20:16<scootergrisen>Epiphany also save web application to the Other menu.
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20:17<shibboleth>do these apps not use .desktop files?
20:17<somiaj>they sound more like links than apps to me. But I guess they could be links to apps. Apps seems to be a trendy word with smart phones these days
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20:19<scootergrisen>I dont know i just use the Epiphany menu and selcect Save as web application
20:20<scootergrisen>So you can save a website
20:20<somiaj>but is it just saving (bookarming) the link, or is it actually downloading the webpage and using it as an app on your machine...I am guessing it is a fancy way to say bookmark
20:20<scootergrisen>Yeah but in Firefox you can also install and run the apps on the computer.
20:21<somiaj>I guess I only know of saving the html and don't know how well you can save the apps since usually they just output html to the browser and you don't have true access to teh app...
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20:23<scootergrisen>Where can i find the folder?
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20:24<somiaj>again I would go ask gnome support (unless someone very familar with gnome here speaks up) But I would start looking in the various $HOME/.files like .local, or the common places gnome likes to put things. .gnome but I think it prefers a bit more universial location for thigns to be compiant with freedeksotp.org
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23:06<magmax>hello
23:07<magmax>i can't run gimp with debian 8.2
23:07<magmax>not run
23:07<magmax>say me apt brooken packages
23:07<magmax>need help
23:09<magmax>someone user speak spanish i am catalonian man of 39 years old
23:09<koollman>!es
23:09<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
23:09<magmax>gracia
23:09-!-dvs [~colin@00012127.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian
23:09<magmax>gracias hablo ingles
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23:16<magmax>Los siguientes paquetes tienen dependencias incumplidas:
23:16<magmax> gimp : Depende: libgegl-0.2-0 (>= 0.2.0) pero no va a instalarse
23:17<magmax>i write apt-get install gimp
23:17<magmax>and see this message
23:17<magmax>neeed libgegl 0.2-0
23:17<magmax>what is problem
23:17<magmax>someone people cant help me
23:17<magmax>i unknown problem
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23:40<IR0nM4N>hi there
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23:43<BadBoy17>hadash
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