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00:32<crash_>hi
00:32<crash_>what si
00:32<crash_>what so
00:33<crash_>hello
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01:14<caa24893>hi, i just started using fbterm and i used the --vesa-mode flag hoping to fix my resolution, but it completely screwed up my tty when exiting fbterm
01:14<caa24893>how would i revert the change
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03:13<ryouma>what is the systemd equivalent to "cat /var/log/{messages,syslog} | sort"?
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03:15<themill>there's nothing stopping you doing that still (although I'm not sure what it's supposed to achieve)
03:17<ryouma>themill: well, it doesn't work because every application enjoys inventing its own date syntax, for what logical reason i cannot fathom. but if it /did/ work, it would merge the two logfiles. and that i want systemd to do for me.
03:17<ryouma>or some other tool
03:17<ryouma>(idc, i just want a merged logfile)
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03:18<themill>the log files are maintained by rsyslog and the datestamps are all the same
03:19<themill>anyway, you can look at the journal with journalctl which is probably a better tool
03:19<ryouma>well, i have noticed other formats in other files. i need iso-ish format
03:19<ryouma>(and a consistent one)
03:19<themill>we're not talking about other files though, we're talking about messages and syslog...
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03:19<themill>(if you have a different question, then perhaps ask it)
03:20<ryouma>themill: we could in principle be talking about non-message non-syslog files. amend question.
03:20<themill>well systemd isn't going to have anything to do with them
03:20<ryouma>oh!
03:20<ryouma>i thought it was the one ring to rule them all
03:21<ryouma>so "the journal" refers only to messages and syslog?
03:21<themill>systemd doesn't magically stop programs writing logs
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03:22<themill>no, the journal is logging anything sent via standard logging calls (syslog) and also stderr from daemons started by systemd
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03:29<muep>the stuff in the journal can be viewed by running just journalctl
03:30<ryouma>i will use journalctl --since -2d
03:30<muep>yep, filtering by time is usually quite useful if you keep a persistent journal
03:30<ryouma>i assumed that the effort to incorporate systemd included the effort to make things log through systemd, sot hat everything would be consistent
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03:30<ryouma>muep: can you make it print everything since the last time you printed?
03:31<muep>I do not think it records your last read time of those files anywhere
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03:32<ryouma>you said persistent journal. do people not keep a journal?
03:33<muep>I am sure there are also users who do not keep it
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03:33<muep>there is the option of keeping just a non-persistent journal under /run
03:34<muep>that would get forgotten on reboots
03:34<ryouma>oic
03:34<ryouma>where is the journal kept?
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03:35<muep>volatile is under /run/log/journal, persistent is under /var/log/journal
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03:40<xormor>this is my system: "Linux macmini 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u4 (2015-09-19) x86_64 GNU/Linux"
03:40<ryouma>that's odd, i have no /var/log/journal and /run/log/journal is 60 bytes
03:40<themill>/usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian
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03:55<takpak>hello, do you know the name of the server where people can contribute translations for debian? is it alioth?
03:56<takpak>I am stuck at alioth confirmation mail: it does not recognize my username as registered yet it sent me a confirmation mail
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03:57<takpak>and when I tell it to resend the confirmation mail, it says the account does not exist
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03:59<takpak>when I attempt to register again, it says: "unix name already taken"
03:59<takpak>so basically: I can't log in (does not recognize p/w), I can't reset the p/w because "user does not exist", I can't resend confirmation email "user does not exist", but "unix name already taken"
04:06<themill>takpak: sounds like #alioth might be a better bet for you
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04:56<giberdygabs>who likes cod and minecraft btw minecraft story mode october 13th if you wanna download it if not the 27th october for the disc on any console even pc and wii u
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05:39<TomasCZ>hello, so I'm about to give up on systemd. Couple questions... Debian is still/will_be able to work without it using "sysV" correct?
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05:40<TomasCZ>if doing upgrade from stable to testing renders restarting services & finishing apt-get upgrade impossible what would you suggest?
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05:50<swald>hello can you help me ? Can i do for a corrupted extend header for ext4 file system please ?
05:50<swald>I delete first megabytes for a big ext4 partition
05:51<swald>please help me
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05:53<TomasCZ>swald, I'm not expert but I guess you tried e2fsck or if you dont use that partition for system try look into either photorec or testdisk. But read about those too first.
05:54<TomasCZ>.... two* first.
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06:01<swald>TomasCZ, thanks for your response but i have errors with fsck
06:01<swald>display in french : corrompted extent header about ext3 journal
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06:07<TomasCZ>For those who might encounter my issue solution was killall systemd most likely because of states. symptoms were after inspecting a log most likely issue with policyKit/polkit and dbus, console msgs: "Failed to execute operation: Connection timed out" "Error getting authority: Error initializing authority: Error calling StartServiceByName for...."
06:09<TomasCZ>I conclude my contribution with my belief that systemd is still unstable bloadware that is fixing what is not broken.
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06:23<shadow42085>help for installing ffmpg by source?
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06:23<shadow42085>I am using debian 8
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06:25<SynrGy>shadow42085: so libav doesn't meet your needs?
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06:28<shadow42085>i prefer ffmpeg sinceone of the apps I need requires it over libav
06:28<SynrGy>which application?
06:28<shadow42085>I use the timidity
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06:29<shadow42085>i amgoing to grab some old midis from old games and use them as ringtones and other things on my phone
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06:29<themill>timidity doesn't use ffmpeg/libav anywhere at all, does it?
06:30<SynrGy>the debian 8 timidity package works just fine. what problem were you having with it?
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06:31<shadow42085>i havent installed timidity yet getting ffmpeg is what I am working on
06:31<themill>apt install timidity; job done.
06:31<SynrGy>so, we're back to the question, what do you need ffmpeg for?
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06:31<shadow42085>i rather use it than libav to be honest I am used to it over libav
06:31<themill>*shrug*
06:32<SynrGy>that's fine, but i wanted to identify a *need*
06:32<shadow42085>since I have a windows machine I have a win32 app of ffmpg
06:32<SynrGy>if there's some specific issue, we can help with it
06:32<themill>if, as a user, you actually know what libraries your application is using, then something is very wrong
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06:33<shadow42085>it seams pkg-config is not finding libass which I have libass-dev installed
06:34<shadow42085>if I have to I will compile that from source as well
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06:36<themill>shadow42085: you'll find that many people have little interest in spending their time helping you with tasks that have already been completed for you by the debian maintainers. Duplication of work isn't interesting.
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06:36<SynrGy>ffmpeg will be reintroduced in the next stable release. the proper route to support for it on stable is a backport
06:37<SynrGy>!ssb
06:37<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
06:37<SynrGy>,checkbackport ffmpeg
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06:37<judd>Backporting package ffmpeg in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie, virtual, jessie-backports.
06:37<themill>not that installing a backported library will actually allow packages to use it
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06:38<shadow42085>so i just have to add backport to debsrc
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06:38<SynrGy>well, ffmpeg is more than just libraries
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06:40<themill>indeed -- you'll get a /usr/bin/ff* but you won't get anything that any other tool uses
06:40<SynrGy>yep. so if the goal is *simply* to get the ffmpeg, etc. binaries to work, then this is a way to accomplish it
06:40<SynrGy>but your goals are unclear
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06:44<shadow42085>for audio conversion i rather use ffmpg because its something I know and learning a different command string to the same thing is dumb plus libav is a fork and and remember what happened to cdrtools and this genisoimage fork
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06:45<themill>shadow42085: the command syntax for recent ffmpeg is the same as for libav
06:46<shadow42085>hmm
06:46<themill>(and seeing as the command syntax for older ffmpeg doesn't work with newer ffmpeg, it's not much of an argument at all)
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06:48<shadow42085>call me stubborn but i left the harbor of Linux distros like MInt, Ubunter and others for the full customizing setup that is debian
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06:49<shadow42085>so should I just scrap my ffmpg comp and install libav
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06:50<shadow42085>and I better get cdrtools installed as well I can compile that from source no problrm
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07:22<bubonic>helo
07:23<bubonic>hello
07:23<SynrGy>hi. you've reached the debian support channel. got a debian support question? just ask.
07:24<bubonic>more channel
07:24<bubonic>?
07:26<SynrGy>there are many other channels on this network. this one is only about debian. for general chat, see #moocows
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09:37<daro>hi all
09:37<Abolishthefed>Howdy
09:37<daro>anybody know how to set autologin in debian 8.2 with lxde?
09:38<Abolishthefed>Here is a link for Debian 7
09:38<Abolishthefed>might be relevant
09:38<Abolishthefed>http://superuser.com/questions/862581/auto-login-straight-into-desktop-on-debian-7-with-lxde
09:39<daro>thanks
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10:01<daro>hi all
10:03<daro>somebody know how to instal .deb package? when click 2x he open as archive, when try sudo apt-get install "name.deb" say if cant find this package
10:04<mtn>daro: right click, gdebi to install. best to get apps from the package manager, though
10:05<daro>dont have this i have Debian 8.2 with lxde
10:05<mtn>daro: you can install it ;)
10:05<Trishtam>use dpkg -i debfile
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10:05<daro>now doing this
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10:10<daro>he dont start as root how can run graphic interface from console?
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10:11<daro>say if isnt debian file
10:12<daro>try install teamviewer_10.0.46203_i386.deb
10:12<daro>maybe someone know repository with this?
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10:19<daro>working thanks all for help!
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10:44<hexfusion>hello I am having trouble booting jessie into systemd as a container with systemd-nspawn. I installed packages systemd systemd-sysv and reboot the container but it still boots into SysVinit. Can I manually setup debian to force systemd on boot or has anyone experienced success doing this?
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10:58<grepnix>hexfusion: Have you experienced anal sex whilst being skullfucked? If not then, be prepared. Systemd is not for the faint-hearted.
11:00<hexfusion>yes I figured systemd speak on #debian might be dangerous to begin with. But I choose to live dangerously
11:01<grepnix>hexfusion: There is a special place reserved for the brave.
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11:02<hexfusion>#systemd-hell ?
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11:02<grepnix>hexfusion: It is a dark hole where the falling never ends...
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11:04<grepnix>hexfusion: But at least, whilst you are falling, you will hear "Deutshland! deutshland...uber alles..."
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11:04<hexfusion>grepnix: well at least I have that going for me
11:05<grepnix>hexfusion: I admire your courage.
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11:06<hexfusion>grepnix: I am not not very smart obviously but painfully stubborn.
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11:09<hexfusion>grepnix: can you help me out I can’t figure out how to force satan to spawn on boot. I promise to hide my perversion
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11:17<LordShadowWing>hexfusion: rm -rf /
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11:18<hexfusion>now I just see blackness… wait let me turn up the volume
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11:20*hexfusion hears “Deutshland! deutshland...uber alles…”
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11:21<grepnix>chanserv is an ass. Freedom of spech is not just for opinions that you agree with.
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11:24<Changeling>Can I say exactly what I think on here? Or will i be censored? I fear debain stands for censorship these days...
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11:24<themill>Changeling: it's not your opinions but your behaviour that is the problem
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13:07<_guest___>ummm can the default user name be changed on "/usr/lib/policykit-1/polkit-agent-helper-1" ?
13:08<_guest___>or is there an alternative i could use ?
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13:58<giuseppe>ciao
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14:36<md2k7>I was trying to set up my exim4 for production use (enable SPF, enable user auth via SASL, enable public SMTP connections, ...)
14:37<md2k7>loosely as here: https://wiki.debian.org/Exim but I thought I had a split config, which I didn't.
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14:37<md2k7>now I have gone through removing packages, removing leftover dirs /etc/exim4 and /var/lib/exim4, and reinstalled: apt-get install exim4-base exim4-config exim4-daemon-light mailutils
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14:39<md2k7>But reinstall does not work:
14:39<md2k7>Error: Unsplit config selected and /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template missing ... exiting
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14:40<md2k7>this should be provided by the exim4-config package. What did the uninstall and "rm -r /etc/exim4 /var/lib/exim4" leave lying around, that my config is now broken?
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14:40<md2k7>I thought reinstall would help mend things, not break some more :(
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14:41<md2k7>oh, Debian 7.8 wheezy
14:41<markybob>!confmiss
14:41<dpkg>You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>.
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14:42<markybob>i just came in late but that might help
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14:46<md2k7>markybob: awesome, thanks. I did: $ apt-get remove exim4-config exim4; aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' install exim4-base exim4-config exim4-daemon-light mailutils
14:46<md2k7>config has been restored.
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14:46<markybob>great
14:46<md2k7>now back to the original problem :)
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14:46<md2k7>(maybe I can figure that out now, myself :)
14:46<markybob>md2k7, i don't use exim :P not much help there
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15:25<venum>hello
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15:26<venum>french people here ?
15:26<markybob>!fr
15:26<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
15:26<venum>marky français ?
15:26<markybob>no
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15:42<scognito>Hi, I'm using sid and iceweasel: I cannot view whatsapp web media even changin my user agent (the only solution found on google). Using chrome I had no problem. Does someone have a fix? Thanks
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15:43<markybob>scognito, sid support is in #debian-next
15:43<scognito>ok sorry, thanks!
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15:57<diz>anyone out there plese say yes
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15:58<diz>hey abbe nice name i personally think its cool
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17:21<kentsfield>Hello guys :) I need some help, I hope that someone can help
17:21<kentsfield>I got a server up and running which has debian jessie amd64 installed
17:21<kentsfield>The problem is not completely about debian, but somehow it is...
17:22<kentsfield>My server has a dedicated LAN port for an IPMI, which I used for a few weeks. It worked like a charm. Somehow I can't reach it anymore via my browser
17:23<kentsfield>the impi gets its IP via DHCP and can be pinged, so it's not the problem of the IPMI port. I installed ipmitools on the server to configure it. But this is where the problems start...
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17:24<kentsfield>:s okay, it seems like ipmitool works now
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17:26<kentsfield>okay - ipmitool can now acces the ipmi config. But still - the ipmi web overlay is still not accessible. Any ideas?
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17:48<gus_>hola
17:48<Brigo>gus_, this is a english channel.
17:48<octal>hola, gus_ intenta #debian-es
17:48<gus_>:P
17:48<gus_>oks
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17:53*kentsfield facepalms
17:53<kentsfield>I now know why I can't reach my IPMI
17:54<kentsfield>I set up a port redirection from 80 to 8888 in my router for the IPMI... I thought this only works when accessing from outside, but aparently this is also a thing inside my lan
17:54<kentsfield>accessing it on port 8888 still works :|
17:54<kentsfield>well, my problem is now solved ;) GOtta go, bye!
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20:23<Gerowen>Greetings all. Recently installed Debian 8 and I'm having some issues with Python scripts I wrote that have worked fine in previous versions of Debian and Ubuntu. I wrote the scripts for Python 3, and the first line of the script sets the env to python3, but they appear to be running with Python 2 instead because I see things like "Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python2.7/runpy.py", line 162, in _run_module_as_main "__main__", f
20:23<Gerowen>name, loader, pkg_name) in the output. Suggestions?
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20:25<themill>Gerowen: what is first line of the script and how are you running them?
20:26<Gerowen>I think I "might" have figured out the issue with this one. It's a YouTube downloder I wrote that's a launcher for youtube-dl, and I packaged a copy of youtube-dl with it so I wouldn't have to go hunt it down (made it for my wife) and when running the packaged copy of youtube-dl by itself I get similar errors, I think I just need to update it to use a newer version of youtube-dl.
20:26<Gerowen>Gimme a sec lemme try it.
20:30<Gerowen>themill: Yep, just needed to update the version of youtube-dl, but while I've got you, got one other question about Python, different one of my scripts this time. I wrote a launcher for Mupen64Plus that uses easygui to draw graphical dialog boxes. Worked fine in Ubuntu and worked fine in Squeeze if iirc, but after doing a clean install of 8, any time easygui brings up a file/folder selection dialog it lets me select a file or folder then crashes with
20:30<Gerowen>output that looks like this.
20:30<Gerowen>alloc: invalid block: 0x14b5290: f0 1
20:30<Gerowen>./Mupen64Plus.sh: line 4: 8043 Aborted ./mupen64.py
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20:31<Gerowen>I've made no changes whatsoever, same script worked fine elsewhere. Also using Python 3.
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20:33<Gerowen>Here's the text of the script: https://paste.debian.net/313602/
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21:05<david_>Alguien de habla hispana
21:05<abrotman>!es
21:05<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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21:25<k-man>where do I modify the environment $PATH variable such that bash running under gnome-terminal will run it? .bash_profile does not seem to be the place
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21:29<edrz>~/.profile /
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21:29<edrz>~/.profile ?
21:29<k-man>yeah i'm just reading that now
21:31<themill>"profile" is only read for login shells and what gnome-terminal starts is not a login shell
21:31<k-man>its been quite some time since i ran linux for my desktop machine
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21:37<k-man>great, that fixed it, thanks edrz and themill
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23:28<twb>etc/python3.4/sitecustomize.py tries to import apport_python_hook --- is that module even available in Debian? I can't find it, and IIRC it's an ubuntuism
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23:34<themill>,i python3-apport --release experimental
23:34<judd>Package python3-apport (python, optional) in experimental/amd64: Python 3 library for Apport crash report handling. Version: 2.16.2-2; Size: 212.9k; Installed: 552k; Homepage: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport
23:35<twb>aaah, I was only looking in jessie
23:35<themill>apport stuff has been kicking around in experimental for $years
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23:37<twb>How would it even work on Debian?
23:37<Max>Hello, I use AV linux and i iwant to install arabic language
23:37<twb>Since we use debbugs not launchpad
23:38<twb>dpkg: tell max about avlinux
23:38<Max>ok
23:38<Max>it's a remix of debian linux system
23:38<twb>Max: we do not support it here, sorry.
23:39<Max>and i want to type arabic layout to can type in arabic on facebook
23:39<Max>aha
23:39<Max>i understand
23:39<Max>thank you
23:39<twb>If you install Debian instead, you can ask here.
23:39<Max>well
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23:41<twb>Wow, mozilla use a non-free crash reporting tool.
23:41<twb>Ah, only until Firefox 3.
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