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01:03<twb>Hey, rsync manual mentions a ~/.popt file. What else uses that? It sounds a bit like ~/.inputrc, but for getopts instead of readline.
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01:07<jm_>twb: looks like stuff that depends on libpopt0
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01:48<Phil_>I am having a problem with strongswan on a pair of servers, one jessie and the other wheezy using keyexchange=ikev2. The tunnel is set auto=route but needs an "ipsec up" to start. I have also used auto=start with the same result. Is this the correct place to get help?
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01:50<jm_>it's certainly the place where it's worth asking, whether someone will be able to help is another matter
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02:01<twb>Phil_: if there is a strongswan channel that would also be a place to ask
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02:02<twb>Phil_: obviously it would be good to start looking at what changed between wheezy and jessie wrt. stronswan
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02:03<Phil_>I will try the channel they have also but I was going to sit here a bit to see any activity. This is a quiet time of day?
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02:04<jm_>I don't know how it is during the US day time, but for EU day time (so the next 6-7 hours) is usually rather quiet
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02:07<Phil_>I am in Australian time zone and have not been on a debian irc for years so I have no feel for how irc is these days.
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02:10<twb>Phil_: #debian volume fluctuates a lot. Most questions are best addressed to the upstream channel, unless it's something that's clearly Debian's fault (or upstream are proving totally useless.)
02:11<Phil_>Thanks, I will try there.
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02:49<temurbek>how are you?
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02:50<milkywayprotein>Why is it so quiet?
02:50<jm_>this is not a chat channel
02:50<milkywayprotein>I dont see any people asking support questions :o
02:51<temurbek>i know
02:51<temurbek>i need help
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02:51<temurbek>are there any body whu speek in russian
02:51<milkywayprotein>Well umm... Can I use a local calendar with gnome shell so events appear at the top? I don't want to use an email.
02:52<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian ( (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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02:53<twb>milkywayprotein: you already have a calendar, but it is not local?
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02:54<milkywayprotein>twb, I want to make a local calendar and have the events show up at the clock on gnome shell
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02:55<milkywayprotein>But when I click Open Calendar, it takes me to evolution and forces me to setup an email accoungt
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02:56<twb>I see. I don't know how to do that, sorry
02:56<twb>You might have to get a different calendar program like orage
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03:09<Mava>humm. weird, after loggin in to gnome (in jessie) it seems that some process (/usr/lib/apt/methods/http) was doing some heavy traffic. and.. i should not be running any upgrade daemons in the background
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03:10<twb>Mava: that sounds like apt-get update
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03:16<jm_>or maybe some sort of update-notifier/gnome-packagekit
03:16<twb>Oh yeah sorry, I was gonna say that'll be the high-level bit
03:17<twb>Whatever that thing is that puts up the little orange star thing to say "you gotta update me!"
03:17<ryouma>if i want to grep through compressed files of various types, is xzgrep my best choice?
03:17<ryouma>(actually files are usually uncompressed)
03:17<twb>ryouma: those grep wrappers are very badly written, but it's slightly less painful than doing it by hand
03:18<ryouma>i used to do it by hand, but now i want to use gnu parallel
03:18<twb>Note that xzgrep -h is not grep -h
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03:18<twb>You need to say xzgrep --no-filename
03:18<ryouma>why do they have to do that?
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03:18<twb>17:17 <twb> ryouma: those grep wrappers are very badly written, [...]
03:19<twb>If you're punting it into something like parallel you could use your own simpler wrapper
03:19<ryouma>can't they just pass the args to grep?
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03:19<twb>parallel sh -c 'case "$1" in *.xz) cmd=xzgrep;; *) cmd=grep;; esac; shift; "$cmd" "$@"' --
03:19<ryouma>yeah but i'd use a script and i don't know, didn't want to run bash in parallel but i guess there is little reason not to
03:19<twb>ryouma: basically, no
03:20<twb>ryouma: because xzgrep needs to know which arguments are file arguments, and which are options
03:20<twb>and (ba)sh provides no portable, sane, way to handle long options.
03:21<twb>It would be easier if the user was required to use -- to separate them
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03:21<whoaski>I'm having a hard time with this, I bought an asrock beebox n3150 as a small debian learning playground for me and it crashes durring first boot after primary install
03:21<twb>Because then it could just do something like this
03:21<ryouma>all this for the rare cases
03:22<jm_>whoaski: crashes how?
03:22<twb>whoaski: more info, please
03:22<whoaski>I got the oh no! something has gone wrong screen
03:22<twb>I don't know what screen that is
03:22<twb>Is this actual debian, or some derivative?
03:22<whoaski>debian 8
03:23<jm_>can you show us the picture?
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03:23<twb>Or at least manually transcribe (verbatim) the error message
03:23<ryouma>twb: it is for massively recursive grep as in find . -type f | mygrepinput whatever
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03:23<twb>ryouma: do you *need* it to be parallel?
03:24<ryouma>twb: well it's significantly faster by my testing (way more than 4 times)
03:24<twb>find /var -name 'syslog*xz' -exec xzgrep -F waffles {} + -o -name 'syslog*' -exec grep -F waffles {} +
03:24<twb>ryouma: OK, just checking
03:25<twb>ryouma: you should be using -print0 and you might want find -O3 and LC_ALL=C (if ASCII) and -F. All of those can speed up significantly.
03:25<ryouma>i just want a basic tool i can use any time, so i am encapsulating it in a script
03:25<twb>ryouma: also the grep itself shouldn't be highly paralellizable, because it's pulling (presumably) from the same block store
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03:25<whoaski>it's the frounny face computer character and it say, oh no! something has gone wrong. a problem has occured and the system can't recover. please contact a sys admin
03:25<twb>ryouma: if you want a DWIM script you can try... I forget the name. al or something.
03:26<ryouma>you'd think, but it is faster
03:26<ryouma>unless i tested wrong
03:26<twb>whoaski: that does not sound like a normal debian error
03:26<jm_>have you tried starting it without X then?
03:26<twb>whoaski: could it be from your hardware vendor?
03:26<twb>"frowny computer" is what old-world Macintosh firmware used to do.
03:26<whoaski>i don't think it's the uefi
03:27<twb>whoaski: How far does it get before it goes tits-up?
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03:27<ryouma>they did the bomb thing i thought
03:27<twb>whoaski: e.g. do you get to grub?
03:27<whoaski>but it's a full hardware lock i have to hold the button for 7 sec to reboot
03:27<whoaski>i think it's gdm
03:28<twb>whoaski: when you did the install, did you just keep clicking next, or what?
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03:28<jm_>so try booting without X and check X log/session log
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03:29<whoaski>pretty much, but i did install all the desktop enviroments kde,gnome etc.....
03:29<twb>I agree with jm_. Also you could try SSHing in, if you set up SSH already
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03:30<jm_>yeah probably try ssh first
03:30<whoaski>i installed the ssh server durring taskel but didn't get to configuring it
03:31<jm_>it should be accessible then
03:33<twb>although you'll probably have to use a password, and IIRC as at jessie you can't use a password for roo
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03:34<whoaski>nope i lied, i boot it and then it it says recovering journal then dies
03:34<luichi>how can i install 32 bit development libraries in a 64 bit installation?
03:34<twb>That sounds like e2fsck
03:34<twb>luichi: on x86/x86-64?
03:34<twb>luichi: apt-get install libfoo-dev:i386
03:34<luichi>twb, i have 64 bit installation, testing
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03:35<twb>luichi: there is more than one kind of "64 bit". There is alpha, power64, sparc64, etc.
03:35<luichi>twb, amd64
03:35<twb>luichi: right, then you want to do 17:34 <twb> luichi: apt-get install libfoo-dev:i386
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03:35<jm_>you'll want to setup multi-arch first
03:36<twb>jm_: oh, sorry, I thought that was on by default now.
03:36<jm_>!multiarch howto
03:36<dpkg>rumour has it, multiarch howto is
03:36<jm_>twb: hmm is it? I think not
03:36<twb>luichi: do what jm_ says
03:36<whoaski>64 bit amd, install it on a samsung 500gb mini sata
03:36<themill>assuming also that the package appropriately multi-arch: same
03:36<twb>whoaski: you installed debian on a hard disk controller? Cool.
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03:36<luichi>twb, ive read that before but i dont know the package name of the libraries
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03:37<twb>luichi: ok, what are you trying to do? What's your end goal?
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03:37<luichi>twb, compiling wine from source
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03:37<twb>Hm, probably something like "apt-get source build-deps wine:i386", but I'm not sure
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03:37<twb>Or you can just try to compile wine and see what libraries it complains about
03:38<twb>!newer wine
03:38<dpkg>The wine-development package is the development version of wine in Debian. This is a meta package that pulls in either wine64-development or wine32-development. For a more recent version in Jessie, the packages can be backported from stretch/sid with a little work, ask me about <ssb>. Alternatively, the commercial <cxoffice> offers a recent wine with support.
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03:39<whoaski>no on an msata drive
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03:39<luichi>twb, but i want to use testing version of wine not the stable version which debian testing now have
03:39<jm_>looks like standard hardware just in a small box
03:39<luichi>twb, so i cant use apt-get source
03:40<whoaski>i just couldn't find anything about hardware compatability so maybe i'm sol?
03:40<jm_>speaking of which, i'd like to know how fast scp from such a beast is to compare it to my old atom from 2010
03:40<twb>jm_: is a SoC
03:40<whoaski>intel n3150
03:40<twb>jm_: what's the bottleneck for your scp?
03:41<twb>jm_: surely it's I/O not crypto
03:42<jm_>twb: no, it's CPU - with up to wheezy and Cipher=arcfour I got 28MB/s, with jessie they removed those unsafe protos and I only get 11MB/s now so I switched to rsync which gives me much more
03:42<jm_>to rsyncd
03:42<twb>jm_: $coworker mentioned a package called "firehose" which used to melt out switches
03:42<twb>jm_: last couple times I looked for it I couldn't find it
03:43<twb>I use rsyncd for non-secret stuff too, but I feel bad about it :-)
03:43<luichi>twb, ok i have to install wine-development package
03:43<twb>You can also just use netcat
03:44<jm_>I was using rsync before too, just over ssh, not with rsyncd
03:44<twb>or like cpio --create >/dev/tcp/otherhost/12345
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03:45<whoaski>ok so i think i'm going to start all over with the install and just try to get the minimum base system running
03:45<twb>I guess most of the time I'm doing scp/rsync it's either config files (instant) or I just leave it running in the background and don't care if it's slow
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03:46<twb>whoaski: you should be able to boot with "single" and not load the broken GUI part -- did you try that?
03:47<whoaski>i downloaded the debian 8 amd 64 dvd and also downloaded the firmware tarball and unpacked it in the firmware folder on the usb key
03:47<whoaski>twb i can't even get a prompt
03:47<jm_>you can, stop the boot sequence and add single as a boot parameter
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03:48<whoaski>even before grub?
03:48<jm_>you do that in grub
03:49<jm_>it tells you to press 'e' at the bottom or somesuch
03:49<twb>Haha, when I glanced at the scrollback I thought it said "bro, do you even grub?"
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03:50<twb>whoaski: the install media shouldn't matter
03:50<jm_>so you find the linux line and add " single" at the end
03:50<jm_>then boot it, I think it's ctrl-x
03:50<twb>it is
03:50<twb>Because I try to do C-x C-s to save as I go, and it just starts booting and I'm like "wth"
03:50<whoaski>i'm not making it to grub, i think i did something wrong with either the file system or bios settings. i didn't choose uefi install and it's a uefi bios with (hopefully) an msata boot drive
03:52<jm_>it's probably quick boot, try disabling that and you should see grub, or if your monitor is slow to respond to mode switches, keep pressing esc key and see if you get grub menu
03:52<whoaski>but i'm going to try the install again. i got time
03:52<jm_>please don't, you're just wasting time with it
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03:54<twb>At least then I can go back to work for half an hour while he reinstalls :P
03:56<whoaski>ok i'm in my bios
03:56<whoaski>intel speedstep enabled/disabled?
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03:57<twb>oy vey
03:58<twb>Make sure the SATA controller is set to AHCI or NVMe, the rest shouldn't really matter
03:58<whoaski>should i just load uefi defaults and try that? it should work with defaults right? ok twb
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03:59<jm_>so it's probably not quick boot if you can get into bios
03:59<jm_>tried hammering on esc key immediatelly after power on?
03:59<whoaski>yeah ahci & smart is enabled
03:59<whoaski>no it's not fastboot it was disabled
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04:01<twb>Did you try SSH?
04:02<jm_>yeah just try ssh from another system if you can't do other stuff
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04:03<whoaski>it crashes right after fdisk
04:04<jm_>fdisk during installer or what?
04:05<whoaski>durring normal boot with installer key out
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04:05<jm_>fdisk is not run during normal boot
04:06<twb>I'm still not convinced it's even booting Debian
04:06<twb>And not, like, whatever is left of the original Windows install
04:06<whoaski>then i may have a hidden mbr that formatting isn't catching
04:06<jm_>did you install grub on MBR?
04:07<whoaski>i bought it barebones and bought the hardrives seperate
04:07<jm_>so maybe providing the picture would clarify a lot
04:08<whoaski>i pointed the installer to install grub on the msata drive, guided install on a single partition
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04:16<jm_>yeah I would definitely look in logs for this and try it without gdm
04:16<whoaski>ok I'm in graphical rescue mode
04:17<jm_>wait, have you tried ctrl-alt-f1 on that screen?
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04:18<twb>a2ps automatically switches from bash to sh stylesheets if the source file contains "Neil Brown"
04:18<whoaski>nothing responds
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04:20<whoaski>i reinstalled grub to dev/sda
04:21<jm_>so if you can't interrupt grub then you can look at logs from the installer
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04:22<jm_>and also configure it to not boot into gdm
04:22<whoaski>sorry im reinstalling
04:23<twb>how much RAM this thing got?
04:23<jm_>I place my bet on the problem being the same as long as install will be the same
04:24<twb>netinst needs at least 192MB for install
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04:24<twb>*netboot i mean
04:24<jm_>it has 2G or morea
04:24<jm_>ahh barebone comes with no ram but I hope it has at least 2G
04:25<twb>pfft, 2G is enough for, like, 2000 users as long as they don't run emacs
04:25*twb giggles
04:25<whoaski>i got 16gb of ram
04:26<jm_>so what you could try is to not install any DE (you can always install it later)
04:26<twb>kids these days
04:26<twb>jm_: the only danger then is he'll be happy with the text install, then install the GUI and be stuck again
04:27<jm_>twb: yeah but then we will know it's DE related and the only option (based on what we now know) would be to switch to a different DE
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04:27<twb>Note that he did say early on "I installed all the GUIs" or so
04:28<jm_>and it would also mean there's no point reinstalling yet again
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04:29<whoaski>ok i'm installing the base system
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04:29<whoaski>see i had linux mint mate working fine on it but i want to play with debian
04:30<jm_>yeah I would expect it to work just fine
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04:31<whoaski>and on this install i started the install with legacy usb install not the uefi, this time i forced the uefi install and maybe that wil overwrite and uefi boot parameter left over from linux mint
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04:34<twb>I confess I haven't done much UEFI stuff, I'm still bitter about OF being killed off
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04:37<jm_>same here, my home system is too old for uefi and on new one at work UEFI didn't work and I couldn't afford to waste time with it so I use it in legacy mode, but UEFI works fine for my brother
04:37<whoaski>sorry i'm a horrible typist, I'm thinking i had a linux mint uefi boot installed and the debian instal partitioner didn't touch it becuase i selected legacy usb boot.
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04:39<whoaski>ok so forgo the DE and just install "standard system utilities" or leave that out too?
04:40<jm_>either way
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04:48<whoaski>ok i did the bear minimum install, and i'm at tty1 with a blinking login screen whoo hoo!
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05:01<Unfair>Anybody get blackarch ?
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05:01<whoaski>sometimes when i go bearefoot
05:02<whoaski>j/k i don't
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05:02<petn-randall>Unfair: This is the Debian support channel. You might want to ask somewhere else, where it is on-topic.
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05:07<whoaski>ok so gdm3 or lightdm?
05:10<whoaski>gdm3 it is
05:10<whoaski>too late
05:10<Unfair>haha alright
05:11<twb>I usually use xdm or nodm
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05:12<twb> with this theme
05:13<whoaski>i'm reinstalling and this time i'm doing the uefi install. i picked gnome3 and mate and gdm3 and lightdm were the only two options it gave me
05:13<Unfair>petn-randall ok my bad
05:14<twb>It probably already installed both and was asking you which to start by default
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05:16<whoaski>you know i bought this just to play with debian but i really don't know what all i should do with it.
05:16<Unfair>i know this is a debian support chat but how do i host my own channel ? i dont mean to sound like much of a script-kitty but yeaaahh
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05:16<whoaski>it's a nuc with 2 hdmi's and a dp out
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05:17<twb>Unfair: /join #waffle
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05:18<whoaski>i was going to play with debian and then check out mythbuntu on it.
05:18<twb>Unfair: if it turns into a real channel talk to #oftc about registering it
05:18<Unfair>dude how do you block somebody i keep getting direct chat spammed by a bot
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05:22<whoaski>random question, debian can run steam right?
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05:22<viccuad>Guys, how can I find all the backport kernels for stable? searching at with linux-image says there are too many and the search is too broad
05:22<twb>ISTR something about debian developers getting free steam
05:22<viccuad>whoaski: of course. install steam from non-free
05:22<twb>So I guess so
05:23<twb>I think steam's own distro is forked off a debian fork tho
05:23<viccuad>at the end, steam downloads the libs the games need inside of itself, and doesn't use much of the things outside of steam, regardless of the distro (debian, fedora, ubuntu, etc..)
05:24<twb>Apart from X and the kernel, which would both matter for making the pretty pictures change quickly enough
05:25<twb>When I get around to building a steam box, I probably won't bother to do it inside Debian, because it'll JUST be for steam, so I might as well use their turnkey distro
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05:25<whoaski>i bought duke nukeum for like 5 bucks and got it running fine on mint
05:26<whoaski>just didn't know about debian
05:26<twb>whoaski: you paid about $10 too much
05:27<whoaski>it came with 5 different games..... Eh....
05:27<whoaski>i do want to check out hyperspin
05:28<viccuad>twb: do you realize that their turnkey distro is just debian stable, do you?
05:30<whoaski>i don't know how to answer that question, you told me about it in the question you just asked me. so yeah i know about that
05:31<whoaski>no but that is cool
05:31<twb>viccuad: that wasn't my impression, but I'll take your word for it
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05:32<lancelot_of>hi there
05:32<twb>Wikipedia says "debian-based" not "debian"
05:33<lancelot_of>I have 32 bit rpm packages that I need to install on Jessie. Anyway to build .deb with alien? I tried with alien <packagename> but I get something like "unable to build deb for this machine"
05:34<twb>lancelot_of: you probably need to install dpkg-dev
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05:37<lancelot_of>twb, already intalled
05:37<twb>lancelot_of: dunno then, see if it has a verbose/debug option?
05:37<twb>viccuad: says "based on debian 7" so you can't be right
05:38<lancelot_of>the problem is PAW
05:38<lancelot_of>it does not work for the NREAD command and I have to recompile/Install rpm
05:38<lancelot_of>the debian package is somehow broken
05:38<twb>lancelot_of: I have no idea what you're saying
05:38<lancelot_of>the package Physics Analysis Workstation
05:39<lancelot_of>twb, what dpkg-dev should do in your idea?
05:39<twb>lancelot_of: It's my bedtime. Good luck with your thing.
05:39<twb>lancelot_of: that was a guess for the parts of dpkg-build needed to make a .deb
05:39<lancelot_of>twb, ok sorry, have a good night
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05:39<peter1138>But you're on Debian, why would you mess with rpms?
05:40<viccuad>he left. well, steamos based on 8.1:
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05:41<marios_>I have a server with debian7 installed, on which i am starting some service with runit
05:42<marios_>i.e.: i have classical init, installed the runit package to handle some specific services
05:42<marios_>this worked fine, up until today where I see that my services are no longer started
05:43<marios_>I have traced this back to init, as it does not start the services configured in /etc/inittab
05:43<marios_>the getty's on tty[1-6] and ttyS* are not started either
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05:44<lancelot_of>peter1138, as I said, debian package is somehow broken, it does not work properly on some very important commands and people have usually to recompile it
05:44<lancelot_of>I already have rpms with their own dependencies
05:44<marios_>I tried to do 'telinit q'
05:45<lancelot_of>so I need to build deb with alien
05:45<marios_>I see in syslog that init re-reads its' configuration file
05:45<marios_>but the processes are not started
05:45<marios_>does anyone have a clue ?
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05:47<marios_>here's what the inittab looks like :
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05:48<peter1138>Recompile from source doesn't normally involve rpms.
05:48<jm_>viccuad: you can ask judd for kernels -- /msg judd kernels
05:49<lancelot_of>peter1138, I am not asking about phylosophy, I could recompile from sources any package (and they are many) or install ready rpms. I would likee to follow the second way, given it should be possible. That's all
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05:51<viccuad>jm_: thanks
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05:59<jm_>marios_: which runlevel is it in?
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06:04<marios_>the server does not have a GUI so it boots to cli
06:04<marios_>IIRC, that's runlevel 2
06:05<marios_>I can ssh to it, I see other services started by init.d are there
06:05<marios_>but the getty's and runit that are meant to be started by init too are not there
06:07<marios_>I just did "init 3" in another shell and I see the getty were started
06:07<jm_>debian doesn't use a different runlevel for GUI anyway
06:08<marios_>I just meant to say that I don't have X installed, so the problem doesn't have anything to do wit X/xdm/gdm/kdm etc
06:08<jm_>and runlevel command tells you current runlevel
06:09<marios_>runlevel says "2 3"
06:09<marios_>presumably because it booted into 2, and then I switched it to 3
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06:09<marios_>as per the inittab
06:09<marios_># The default runlevel. id:2:initdefault:
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06:10<marios_>However, that does not explain why the getty were started when I switched to runlevel 3
06:10<marios_>6:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty6
06:10<marios_>they should be started on 2 as well
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06:11<jm_>and how did you verify it does not try to start runit?
06:11<marios_>I don't know how to do this
06:11<marios_>I just saw that runit was not started
06:12<jm_>try to strace init, or possibly replace the binary (mv the old one first) with somet silly shell script that goes #!/bin/sh\ndate >> /tmp/foo.log
06:12<marios_>If I run the /usr/sbin/runsvdir-start binary, runit starts without any issues and proceeds to start my services
06:13<Daft> You have a spam bot in the channel going by Lunaa. Not sure who I'm supposed to report this to
06:14<jm_>Lunaa: please stop this
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06:18<ParneskAlaus>get that bitch Lunaa off here, she spams some links in privates
06:18<DarkUranium>I suspect it's a bot
06:18<ParneskAlaus>it is, ban it forever maybe ?
06:19<octal>It spammed me too. It ignored my "plase stop". I assume it's a spamming bot.
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06:21<@jm_>after this it's best to take it to #oftc I guess
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06:22<marios_>jm_: replacing init sounds like a good idea, but I can try it right now
06:22<marios_>have to wait a little bit till people get off the server
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06:24<@jm_>marios_: no not init!
06:25<@jm_>marios_: /usr/sbin/runsvdir-start
06:26<marios_>my bad
06:26<marios_>good thing I did not do it, heh
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07:45<luichi>please help me hibernation doesnt work in my laptop i asked in debian-next and nobody has an answer
07:46<luichi>i have swap space the same as my ram size 16gb i use gnome, maybe i need a package installed which i dont have
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08:09<luichi>ok i think i solved the problem i will ask if i have a problem
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08:23<lancelot_of>I need to compile source code that needs imake. I cannot find it in jessie, any hint?
08:26<somiaj>lancelot_of: apt-file is a very useful search tool for things like that, or
08:26<somiaj>lancelot_of: I see that program in xutils-dev package
08:27<lancelot_of>somiaj, thanks a lot
08:28<somiaj>lancelot_of: what are you trying to build?
08:28<somiaj>lancelot_of: is tehre a debian package for it (reason I ask is 'apt-get build-dep packagename' is useful even if you are complinig a newer upstream version or the likes
08:28<lancelot_of>PAW and cernlib which have broken packages in official distro
08:29<lancelot_of>also other ones, not only debian
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08:29<lancelot_of>none reported it for a very long time
08:30<somiaj>lancelot_of: yea that happens. I was just mentioning sometimes apt-get build-dep the debian package is a good way to start when trying to get build depends
08:30<somiaj>also maybe look at uupdate (/msg dpkg uupdate)
08:30<somiaj>this way you can make a debian package (sometimes) out of a newer upsteram source
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09:36<lancelot_of>is it possible to build a deb package on a 64 bit machine from a 32 bit rpm package, with alien?
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09:43<inkbottle>Hi, I'd like a command similar to this one: deborphan|xargs aptitude markauto, but which would only mark the packages as "auto" and not immediatly remove them
09:44<inkbottle>I would then use aptitude in interactive mode to actually do the removing (or not)
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09:59<inkbottle>themill: thanks, worked great
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10:07<kaal>is there anyone who made coustomize os by debian
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10:13<inkbottle>aptitude tends to forget what package were installed automatically. Whould there be sth that would do some "guess auto"?
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10:16<inkbottle>Haven't anyone noticed that as upgrades go, more and more packages are marked as "i" though they should be marked as "iA"?
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10:17<themill>upgrading packages doesn't make them become manually installed
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10:19<inkbottle>themill: sure; but why most of my kde packages then are marked with only an "i"? (I mean like hundreds of them, nothing that could result of my having marked them so by hand)
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10:19<inkbottle>packages like that: libkunitconversion4
10:19<inkbottle>marked with only an "i"
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10:21<themill>istr you spending a lot of time with aptitude telling it to install packages while trying to help it do an upgrade not so long ago
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10:26<Stummi>inkbottle, did you installed the KDE task or something?
10:26<inkbottle>themill: well it is because I'm actually following "stretch" and than there have been some hard times these days
10:27<inkbottle>Stummi: Yes I think so
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10:27<Stummi>inkbottle, I think tasksel sets a few packages to installed manually
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10:29<Stummi>also apt-get/aptitude build-dep cann set some lib-packages to installed manually, if you have used that, IIRC
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10:29<somiaj>inkbottle: if you are running stretch, you should be using #debian-next for support.
10:30<Stummi>just took a quick look: "~i!~M^lib" will find 147 on my desktop system too
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10:30<Stummi>not sure how safe it would be to set this pattern just to manually
10:30<inkbottle>somiaj: yes I know, it's because there are so few people
10:30<Stummi>*not manually
10:30<Stummi>*not manually
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10:32<blast007>inkbottle: then perhaps you should stick to stable?
10:32<somiaj>inkbottle: well the issue could be totally related to runing testing and you should get your support there. i.e. as you have to fix tihngs with apt or dpkg in testing, you will make a lot more packages 'manually' installed.
10:32<inkbottle>Stummi: "~i!~M^lib" nice
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10:34<inkbottle>blast007: I would if I weren't needing some recent improvements for a few packages; I'm not very fond of system administration
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10:35<somiaj>inkbottle: then you should really be running stable + backports. In most cases it is easier to make a backport than keep up with testing and how it breaks things (though I guess if what you need to run is newer is a full dekstop then backports can be a pain)
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10:39<inkbottle>somiaj: It is seldom it is such a pain as it has been with gcc5 migration... usually I've observed following testing not to be so challenging
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10:40<inkbottle>thanks for the tip about backport
10:40<somiaj>inkbottle: have you ever observed testing outside of a freeze? This is a bit more crazy than normal. But between releases there is usually a few transitions that cause testing to be very broken. And for desktop users these happen more often than windowmanager or non gui users.
10:42<lancelot_of>does anyone know if a Physics Analysis Workstation program irc channel does exist?
10:43<somiaj>lancelot_of: seems to be a strange place to ask, but there is ##physics on freenode
10:44<somiaj>Also check the support/documentation of the program you are intersted in, usually if there is an irc channel it is menentioned there
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10:44<lancelot_of>somiaj, thanks
10:44<inkbottle>Away: doing some reboot....
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11:02<d0uglas>Hi. I realize for even a weak server 32 hits/sec over a duration of 101 seconds isn't much, but in the context of making a complaint, can I refer to that as DOS-level or is it just way too slow?
11:03<d0uglas>.. especially if it includes numerous login/admin uri post attempts?
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11:04<petn-randall>d0uglas: I'd measure DoS by the amount of concurrent requests, not in the total amount.
11:05<petn-randall>d0uglas: If those requests were consecutive, and your server happens to be fast, I wouldn't count that as DoS.
11:05<d0uglas>also, what is the term for an attack, regardless of the hit rate, that attempts to hit uris of things like phpnuke, phpmyadmin, horde, things that are good targets?
11:05<d0uglas>petn: I realize that, but I want to be huffy about this
11:05<petn-randall>d0uglas: script kiddie scanning?
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11:05<petn-randall>d0uglas: petn<tab>
11:05<d0uglas>yeah not used to this client sorry
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11:06<d0uglas>petn-randall: okay I'm good.. thanks
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11:32<stevenm_>is there *any* way of installing openssh-server on debian 8 so that when apt-get starts the service up... it is already configured to allow root to login?
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11:33<stevenm_>there is a 'permit-root-login' which can be changed prior to installing with debconf-set-selections... but it doesn't do what you think it does it seems
11:33<petn-randall>stevenm_: You can provide a config file before installing, it shouldn't be overwritten. I never tried it though.
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11:34<stevenm_>petn-randall, was more hoping for a one-liner than needing to transplant config files around... something I can put in my existing automated setup scripts
11:36<petn-randall>stevenm_: cp <your_prepared_config_file> /etc/ssh/sshd_config && apt-get install openssh-server
11:36<stevenm_>that's not quite what I meant, but thanks anyway
11:37<petn-randall>stevenm_: I'm trying to make the best out of what you give me to work on.
11:37<stevenm_>it's appreciated - i'm just realising there probably isn't a way that will fit what I'm looking for
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11:47<kaal>any one listem to me here
11:48<petn-randall>kaal: No, we can only read you.
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11:55<LordShadowWing>Trisquel vs Debain. Go
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12:01<kaal>ha ha ya right
12:01<kaal>did anyone made a linux distro
12:01<kaal>based on debian
12:02<petn-randall>kaal: FYI, this is the Debian support channel. So if you're looking for general chat, there might be better suited channels.
12:03<LordShadowWing>I was Just being random
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12:04<markybob>LordShadowWing, great. don't.
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12:04<dcosnet>feel free to join #linuxpowered for general chat
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12:51<tester1>hello, is there a way to remove items from Gnome's Frequent Apps list?
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13:04<rbino>hello, I'm having a problem with LVM on Stretch: when I reboot my system two logical volumes don't get activated (they are /var and /home on my system). The system times out after 1:30 minutes, I get a root shell, I activate them manually with lvchange -ay /dev/vgarray/lvvar etc and then the boot process continues normally. Does anyone have an idea where to look to debug this?
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13:05<blast007>testing/unstable support is in #debian-next
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13:05<rbino>ok thanks
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13:29<whtemple1959>hello room I have a few questions about some errors I am getting on openmediavault, and since there is only lurkers in their irc channel, I thought I would come here
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13:30<dpkg>OpenMediaVault is a NAS operating system with a web-based control panel. It is <based on Debian> but not supported in #debian. Support can be found at and #openmediavault on
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13:31<whtemple1959>blast007: what do you mean by !openmediavault?
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13:32<blast007>that triggers a bot factoid, in this case mentioning we don't support openmediavault and where you can find help instead (maybe)
13:33<whtemple1959>dpkg: I have searched the web the forums and the wiki but cannot find any information
13:33<dpkg>whtemple1959: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
13:33<blast007>that is a bot :)
13:34<blast007>Have you tried #openmediavault on (which is on a different IRC network than you are currently connected to)
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13:36<whtemple1959>blast007: I am so new to most of what is going on I have no idea what you are saying. and I have no idea what dpkg is telling me. so, what do you mean bu !openmediavault is a bot?
13:36<retrospectacus>whtemple1959: dpkg is a bot (robot)
13:37<blast007>no, dpkg is a chat bot here. In any case, you need to change to the IRC server and join #openmediavault
13:37<retrospectacus>whtemple1959: blast007 triggered dpkg using the ! to tell you that openmediavault is not supported here.
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13:38<whtemple1959>blast007: I am in openmediavault and have been for 30 minutes. there are 55 people in there and it seems they are all asleep because I have gotten no response
13:39<blast007>have patience and wait for a response there - that's how IRC works
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13:39<retrospectacus>we only support debian here, regardless of how much/little you have found on google, or the usefulness or lack thereof of your chosen OS's support venue
13:39<whtemple1959>blast007 & retrospectacus: let's forget omv and maybe it is a nfs problem
13:40<retrospectacus>we are not able to help unless you are running debian. You could try some #linux or #nfs channel if they exist
13:41<markybob>whtemple1959, we're not going to forget.
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13:44<retrospectacus>whtemple1959: IRC replies often come hours or days later, especially in small channels
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13:45<whtemple1959>markybob: it is nice to know that the community is such a nurturing environmment. I am going to go uninstall omv load debian 8 and then follow the instructions at and I am ssure that everything will work as debian has been designed
13:45<markybob>whtemple1959, it's a matter of not being able to. it's not that we don't care
13:46<markybob>whtemple1959, your attitude might make people not care though :P
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13:49<whtemple1959>markybob: I do not mean to be a flaming idiot.... but when it comes to the intricate workings of Linux I am an idiot, but I am willing to learn. so where can I go to get r/t help on fixing the nfs problems I seem to be having?
13:50<markybob>whtemple1959, there's #nfs on the freenode network
13:51<whtemple1959>markybob:thank you I will try there
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13:57<whtemple1959>thank you blast007, retrospectacus, and markybob for the advice I will continue my searching for the answers I need elsewhere
13:58<retrospectacus>good luck!
14:01<whtemple1959>one last question this about my debian 8 on my workstation. I am using kde as my desktop. on occassion when I attempt to open an application all I get is a black box . such as when I click on the dolphin icon it opens with a balck screen. would this be a debian problem? it never happened during the year I had Mint on my desktop?
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14:02<exoplanet>hi i accidentally tried to remove some packages. Which had some dependencies. Now many package are marked for removal. How can i unmark them?
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14:03<blast007>whtemple1959: could be a graphics driver issue, so for that we'd need to know what specific GPU you have and what driver you're using
14:03<blast007>exoplanet: what program are you using to remove package?
14:04<exoplanet>aptitude blast007
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14:14<whtemple1959>blast007: this is what I have...driver: intel open source, render:mesa drive, opengl/es:2.1 mesa10.3.2....glx server: vendor sgi, version 1.4 assoted extensions.... glx client: vendor mesa project, version 1.4, assorted axtentions.... glu: version 1.3, assorted extentions..... X-server version:11,
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14:20<whtemple1959>blast007: interesting enough it just started I searched for upgrading a video driver in debian and when I right clicked to open a website in a new tab the box was black
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14:21<whtemple1959>blast007:and My desktop has clear boxes
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14:23<retrospectacus>exoplanet: decide which packages you want to keep and run "aptitude unmarkauto" or "aptitude install" on them
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14:31<exoplanet>retrospectacus, that worked. With this command i didn't even have to list the packages: sudo aptitude reinstall '~i'
14:31<retrospectacus>but that will mark all those packages manually installed
14:32<retrospectacus>will cause problems later
14:32<retrospectacus>marking all your packages manual is a bad idea
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15:01<exoplanet>retrospectacus, but unmarkauto should do the same, or not?
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15:02<retrospectacus>my point is, it should only be done to packages you actually specifically want
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15:02<retrospectacus>e.g. *not* libebook-contacts-1.2-0
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15:03<retrospectacus>now when libebook-contacts-1.2-1 comes out, you're going to have upgrade issues because you specifically told apt that you want that package
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15:05<retrospectacus>you want to look through that list and say "oh I use evolution. mark that. nautilus for sure. gnucash yes"
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15:05<retrospectacus>but you do not want to mark "libktoblzcheck1c2a" manual. You want whatever that is, to be removed if nothing is using it
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15:06<retrospectacus>but if you ran aptitude reinstall '~i' it is too late D:
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15:07<blast007>retrospectacus: wow, I kinda thought you just slapped your keyboard randomly, but libktoblzcheck1c2a is actually a thing..
15:07<retrospectacus>that will mark *all* packages manual, which is a signifcantly insane thing to do
15:07<retrospectacus>blast007: apparently :D
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15:11<exoplanet>retrospectacus, i can still parse the history.log to change the stati (?) back.
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15:13<retrospectacus>I think it is not very easy to do that, but should be possible
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15:20<blast007>that, or a great time to reinstall
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15:23<retrospectacus>yeah. wherever you got the idea to reinstall ~i - they should be notified it is a very bad idea
15:24<exoplanet>retrospectacus, finished. and marked as auto :D
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15:25<exoplanet>btw is there something like history.log for other actions than install/remove like marking and holding?
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15:26<retrospectacus>I don't know
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15:30<hexfusion>is overlayfs available in jessie?
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15:33<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.2.0-trunk-686-pae (4.2-1~exp1); sid: 4.2.0-1-686-pae (4.2.1-2); stretch: 4.1.0-2-686-pae (4.1.6-1); jessie-backports: 4.1.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.1.6-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u4); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.68-1+deb7u4)
15:34<SynrG>The web tells me overlayfs was merged into the kernel at 3.18
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15:34<SynrG>So the implication is yes, Jessie has it
15:35<SynrG>Just need backport
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15:35<SynrG>Unless a backports kernel is unsuitable for you ...?
15:36<hexfusion>fine by me think it will make jessie during life cycle?
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15:37<hexfusion>I can see I am digging myself a hole here but what the hell
15:37<SynrG>It's a new feature so not likely.
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15:38<hexfusion>fair enough thank you
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15:57<hexfusion>8-) works!
15:57<creed>hello. I just installed 14.04 on a pc with a geforce fx5200 agp graphics card. the gui is beyond belief slow (took 5 secods to close the welcome keyboard shortcut screen). What kind of driver am I missing and how can I install it?
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15:59<creed>the gui during installation was very responsive btw.
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16:03<exoplanet>14.04? Have you installed Ubuntu? creed
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16:04<creed>exoplanet: yes, I just installed ubuntu
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16:05<exoplanet>This is a debian support channel, if you need help with ubuntu take a look at the following page and join the nice people over at #ubuntu → creed
16:05<creed>ups sorry, my bad
16:05<exoplanet>no problem
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18:57<CyberBob>i'm trying to find the command in man pages to trigger the mate screensaver and haven't had any luck in doing so
18:57<CyberBob>anybody know what the command is?
18:59<CyberBob>nope it's called mate-screensaver and mate-screensaver-command in the MATE DE (a gnome2 offshoot that got officially supported in jessie)
18:59<CyberBob>but i can't find the appropriate argument to activate it
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19:00<CyberBob>btw thank you for the official mate inclusion in jessie, i put it on an old laptop for my mom and she loves it :)
19:01<CyberBob>i'm wondering about this for my little experimentation VM though
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19:16<CyberBob>mate-screensaver-command -a
19:16<CyberBob>thanks for always being here gentlemen
19:17<CyberBob>google and man pages for life
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19:53<dpkg>♬♫ ALIS? WHO THE F IS ALIS? alis is a services bot that can help you find channels on the <freenode> irc network. "/msg alis help list" for usage information or ask about alis in #freenode. Example: «/msg alis list #debian*» or «/msg alis list *linux*»
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20:03<VladimirNabokov>I'm trying to make sure I don't go through the nightmare it's going to be to switch to Debian from Windows 10 for nothing.
20:04<VladimirNabokov>What guarantees do I have that Debian won't start violating the privacy of the users like Ubuntu did? Or that Windows does.
20:04<VladimirNabokov>Also, is there even something as great as Media Player Classic Home Cinema on Linux? I mean this:
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20:11<ryouma>VladimirNabokov: if it started doing so, there would be an outcry, i think. you have vlc.
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20:12<VladimirNabokov>VLC is garbage, though.
20:13<VladimirNabokov>The #1 issue is probably the total lack of bookmarks.
20:13<VladimirNabokov>Which is insanity.
20:13<ryouma>there are others, dunno if they have bm
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20:14<ryouma>don't ... me i am trying to help you
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20:14<VladimirNabokov>Do you know what this sounds like to me?
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20:14<squinty>ignore <VladimirNabokov> he is an absolute troll and is trolling freenode debian with the same crap right now
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20:14<VladimirNabokov>"Yeah! This house is great!" "Does it have a bathroom?" "Well, no... but you can knock on the neighbour's door and ask them?"
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20:15<VladimirNabokov>Seriously. Bookmarks. In a video player. It's like... the #1 crucial feature?
20:15<ryouma>VladimirNabokov: don't use debian. please.
20:15<VladimirNabokov>ryouma: What?
20:15<ryouma>i recommend that you steer clear of this distro
20:15<Yst>ryouma: Why is that?
20:16<ryouma>indications at present are that he won't find it appealing, he won't give back, and he won't be pleasant to deal with
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20:17<squinty>.......and he obviously needs a diaper change too!
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20:17<Yst>OH! I misread one of your statements. I thought before you recommended that VladimirNabokov stay away, you said that *you* don't use Debian. That's why I got confused, but I'm up to speed now.
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20:21<VladimirNabokov>In actuality, ryouma is just another complete fucking asstard.
20:21<VladimirNabokov>And this is the reason why I won't switch over, because it's full of his kind.
20:21<VladimirNabokov>Fuck off and eat shit.
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20:21<ryouma>problem solved :)
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20:28<abrotman>ah, same guy on both networks?
20:29<squinty>abrotman, yep
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23:46<twb>is /usr/share/appdata just used for "user-friendly" package installers?
23:47<twb>Apparently "appdata is a kind of appstream"
23:48<twb>Appears to be so I think yes, this is only needed for installing pacakges.
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